From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 15:18:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KINea001212 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01KHj2L027072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KHXEt082978; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01KHTdJ082940 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.233]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01KHatw026836 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:17:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050101110221.03293dd0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:06:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Whoops! RE: Marc Carlson-any thoughts on the purpose of.... In-Reply-To: <001a01c4ef4a$fca8b630$6401a8c0@SG01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >(the 3rd image from the bottom). Any thoughts on what the little hooks at >the end of the toe might be for? Maybe to tie the shoe point in place? The lower one of this pair shows that the "hook" is actually a sole piece wrapping up around the point of the toe. It might be leather or it might be metal, but it would be to protect the wood part from wear. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 1 17:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MhZMH003490 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j01Mh32L004269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MgmGo063286; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j01MgkLK063230 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CyndiFLane@aol.com) Received: from CyndiFLane@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.190.365b14e7 (18251) for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: CyndiFLane@aol.com Message-ID: <190.365b14e7.2f08815d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:42:37 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:06:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > http://www.saragrace.net/images/Syblvontur/Sibyllevontibur4.jpg > "Phantom" is worth any drive. I've seen it twice so far . . . might be the best movie I've ever seen . . . but I'm an ALW fan. But go! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 11:58:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02GwdAF029299 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02GvO2L008705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Gv8wd036267; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Gv5jc036189 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.109.6.186]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:57:00 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcTdnB1VUkMamd5jQwygQlDx0M+rEwTTuKow In-Reply-To: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello out there to the list. I will be in London Jan. 18 -25. If there is anyone on the list that lives there or can recommend bookstores, fabric stores and a good haberdasher (husband can't go- blackmailed me into getting a Harris tweed jacket) I would be very appreciative. I will go to the big Harrod's sale. I am also looking for interesting little shops and will visit Portobello Rd. on Sat the 22nd. I have been following the thread about shopping in London (I mostly lurk) but did not think I would need such information so quickly. Our housemate got a wildhair and wanted to use up her huge cache of airline points so she got the plane tickets and the hotel. I just have to buy the food and other incidentals. I think this would be classified as "an offer I couldn't refuse". My particular are of interest is early Tudor. Any help, advise or offers of guidance would be very welcome. Thanks, Anne (who REALLY enjoyed Robin's lectures last year) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 14:09:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02J9uV7030584 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02J9E2L016605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02J964k012544; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j02J8woC012428 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 19:08:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050102185435.014959a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:07:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London In-Reply-To: <20050102165700.HTBB7687.lakermmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER > References: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:59 02/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello out there to the list. I will be in London Jan. 18 -25. If there is >anyone on the list that lives there or can recommend bookstores, fabric >stores and a good haberdasher (husband can't go- blackmailed me into getting >a Harris tweed jacket) I would be very appreciative. I will go to the big >Harrod's sale. I am also looking for interesting little shops and will visit >Portobello Rd. on Sat the 22nd. I have been following the thread about >shopping in London (I mostly lurk) but did not think I would need such >information so quickly. Our housemate got a wildhair and wanted to use up >her huge cache of airline points so she got the plane tickets and the hotel. >I just have to buy the food and other incidentals. I think this would be >classified as "an offer I couldn't refuse". My particular are of interest >is early Tudor. Any help, advise or offers of guidance would be very >welcome. You shouldn't miss Berwick Street, just off Oxford Street to the south. Borovick's, The Cloth Shop, the Silk Society, Textile King, a linen and wool shop recently opened and others. One shop off to the east also fabric, one shop further north and off to the left haberdashery. Also MacCulloch and Wallis in Dering Street, almost exactly south of John Lewis, a big department store. Brick Lane for African and Indian Ethnic - not very Tudor. Rainbow Textiles in Southall High Street, rather a long way from the centre, but a source for costumers in England. Also I believe, Shepherd's Bush Market, also a distance from the centre, has been recommended but I don't know as I haven't been. Huge selection of books at Franks. www.rdfranks.co.uk Otherwise secondhand books in Charing Cross Road. The Globe Theatre has an exhibition of costumes made for the plays - how when and where I am not sure. Costume collections worth a visit - Museum of London and Victoria and Albert Museum, although the V and A has most of its historical costume collection in store currently - you can still visit the lace archives and fabric archives in the library - check when you get there - it's a long time since I was there. Bear in mind, American prices for most things are two thirds cheaper than British. Also fabric prices are higher proportionally here than there - I was in a JoAnn's in the summer in the U.S. and wished I had a bigger balance on my credit card!! Suzi, living in London!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 18:21:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02NLnFr003219 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02NL82L003082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02NKrVq055688; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j02NKqrI055628 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13302 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2005 23:20:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iZCl1Ui7+0Q7s8W0nwAeZIcAAuuGA4yj1eOkuVCGYHoeCVlXQd8x3wdoS7rbKg+WTecr3+EhfqBxmx6KhN96xMPV9XBwrm/k2mpdk16DscfuRRul6Jqv8nklRkxqiY/LmxzWyf/tH4K1Rig1J+vdUKwGADIt2G049gsqlSYmPKs= ; Message-ID: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.60.63.208] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:20:46 PST Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41D4B806.3080106@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little Vietnamese community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts for your feet from scratch. You may want to see if your city/area has a "ethnic" community and check out the local shoemakers. michael tartaglio wrote:Hi. I will try and contact Master Luke Knowlton and see if he remembers where he came by the ones he has (unless you are out there lurking, good Sir). I vaguely remember him telling me that he came by them by a stroke of luck, but I'll ask nonetheless. Cheers, Mike T. >Anyone ever try to buy shoe lasts in the US? The only place I can find so >far is the ShoeSchool which makes buying them rather obscure. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 18:37:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nbguh003467 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02Nb92L004116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nb5FA064525; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j02Nb4bp064515 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.233]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j02NWbsN018043 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:32:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050102153414.031d0c50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:36:42 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? In-Reply-To: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <41D4B806.3080106@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little >Vietnamese community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts >for your feet from scratch. You may want to see if your city/area has a >"ethnic" community and check out the local shoemakers. You might also try your local Mexican community. Some Mexican folk dancers even have custom made shoes ordered from Mexico, which look very much like early 20th century lace-up boots and which may have been made from the same older patterns. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 21:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032qEiR006784 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j032pX2L019437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032pHmY078001; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j032pEZx077917 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A815A425D5 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41D8B315.2090602@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:51:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <002901c4ec50$d37ba0d0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <000301c4ec8e$096483f0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] another new movie: New World X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just saw a preview for this. Didn't see enough of the costumes to comment, but it looked like it could be good. --- "The New World" Movie Synopsis: "The New World" is an epic adventure set amid the encounter of European and Native American cultures during the founding of the Jamestown Settlement in 1607. Inspired by the legend of John Smith (Colin Farrell) and Pocahontas, acclaimed filmmaker Terrence Malick transforms this classic story into a sweeping exploration of love, loss and discovery, both a celebration and an elegy of the America that was…and the America that was yet to come. Against a historically accurate Virginia backdrop, Malick has set a dramatized tale of two strong-willed characters-a passionate and noble young native woman and an ambitious soldier of fortune-torn between the undeniable requirements of their civic duty and the inescapable demands of the human heart. The film features an accomplished cast that includes Christopher Plummer, Christian Bale, August Schellenberg, Wes Studi, David Thewlis, Yorick van Wageningen and newcomer Q’orianka Kilcher as Pocahontas. --- Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 2 23:15:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034FuFX007990 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j034FM2L025570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034FD0J024943; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j034F8xD024848 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Morses3@aol.com) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7e.601c7dd4 (15864) for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.133]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v104.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df841d8c6bf2ac; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 From: Morses3@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 68.10.25.241 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/weekly/blthenewworldpicsa.htm Here's a site with some costume photos.....this was filmed close to where I live in Williamsburg. They built a fort about 1/3 the size of the original for the movie according to the local paper, sadly, they tore it down before allowing anyone to tour it :-( Perry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 03:54:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038sjs2011562 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j038s32L009897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038rrVk074154; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038rpT1074087 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c4.21de2534 (4584) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.21de2534.2f0a6215@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:53:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: > "The New World" Movie Synopsis: "The New World" is an epic adventure set > amid the encounter of European and Native American cultures during the > founding of the Jamestown Settlement in 1607. Not a new "theme" but interesting just about all the time. Remember "Black Robe"? Excellent! If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. I had this idea for film about Inca culture. [I know....everybody's got a screenplay in their head] I mean is there ONE? "Royal Hunt of the Sun" I guess. My fantasy screen play has no white people in it. I wanted it to be all Inca intrigue. The main character being a royal messenger running from one end of the empire to another with a really important message. Maybe somebody trying to stop him. You got to see the while country through this device. Of course I know very little about Incas but I thought this idea could fly in the right hands. What an interesting costume project it would be. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 03:58:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038wIYO012006 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:58:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j038vn2L010023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038vmk0076090; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j038tjqj075034 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:55:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ac.2ed7688d (4584) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.2ed7688d.2f0a628a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:55:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/2005 11:22:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Morses3@aol.com writes: > They built a fort about 1/3 the size of the original for the movie > according to the local paper, sadly, they tore it down before allowing anyone to tour > it :-( > > On "Last of the Mohicans" the replica of the Fort was bigger than the original! And was being eaten by beetles before filming was completed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 08:01:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03D1alp008455 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03D0m2L003956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03D0LLt097080; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web12010.mail.yahoo.com (web12010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j03D0Hmt097032 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33924 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2005 13:00:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=l1pnzd4oJUchUkPRTkjlzDhG3lK13CoWL96MAn63O3o9QQGCcKBkRrKdR4MagoP1LfvH+nILW6HV+JpG1nYmw5nbZ5sRMXsjWRjtVrdOaJ5aHugBlenDAHhCVuedhHybzQd7fNeKINtJg0aucOPNe2xv3feHMbiEqma7BV8CA5I= ; Message-ID: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.26] by web12010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:00:17 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy holidays to the list and I have a question or two. My local indie fabric store that carries B Black and Co woolens had its yearly inventory reduction sale on New Year's Day and I scored some lovely gunmetal blue wool crepe and some lovely green wool broadcloth. I have been looking at http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=162&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb and was wondering what the decoration was on the lady in the white dress on the far right. I could see buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the overskirt look to be the same. Was this possibly a pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe for this timeframe? I know crepe of some kind was available to the Vikings but when would they have used it for dresses in the 19th century? I'd like a nice Edwardian or Victorian winter dress out of the crepe but would prefer to be as authentic as possible as it is really nice wool. If the buttons on this are duplicatable or the trim could be duplicated even in a white or cream lace I think I could have found my winter project. Thanks for any thoughts. Cassandra __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 08:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03DfAsr008689 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03DdM2L006165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03DdIko016455; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j03DdHlE016401 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005010308391015848 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:39:10 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j03Dd7xX004629 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005e01c4f199$9aabd7e0$5ca810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1c4.21de2534.2f0a6215@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you read "Aztec" by Gary Jennings? He does give some descriptions of costumes and you'd see a good bit of the country. Kate From: > Not a new "theme" but interesting just about all the time. Remember "Black > Robe"? Excellent! If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. > > I had this idea for film about Inca culture. [I know....everybody's got a > screenplay in their head] I mean is there ONE? "Royal Hunt of the Sun" I > guess. > My fantasy screen play has no white people in it. I wanted it to be all > Inca > intrigue. The main character being a royal messenger running from one end > of the > empire to another with a really important message. Maybe somebody trying > to > stop him. You got to see the while country through this device. > > Of course I know very little about Incas but I thought this idea could fly > in > the right hands. What an interesting costume project it would be. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 09:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ETBWa009041 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03ESQ2L009280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ESHDX044452; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03ESFWJ044423 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ClTBu-0001PH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:28:14 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts in the US? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c4f1a0$79021ee0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050102232046.13300.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I live in Phoenix, but go over to LA fairly regularly to go to the textile district. Where are these folks you speak of? >-----Original Message----- > >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. Calif.) our local little Vietnamese >community has old country shoe makers that custom make lasts for your feet >from scratch. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 10:04:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F4L0j009234 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:04:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03F3N2L011800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F3FAf066310; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from peaches.princessharold.net (haroldk-host177.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03F3Chu066238 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gwen@princessharold.net) Received: from princessharold.net (bob.princessharold.net [192.168.0.4]) by peaches.princessharold.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE72F7EC for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:03:17 -0600 From: Gwen Kachelmyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration References: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050103130017.33922.qmail@web12010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO they look like buttons on the bottom of the skirt as well. They look like they're just covered buttons. I believe wool crepe is period, but i'm not positive. I can't find the book I was going to use to check it. I think i may have seen it in descriptions in fashion plates. Gwen Cascio Michael wrote: > >http://content-dev.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/viewer.exe?CISOROOT=/costumehist&CISOPTR=162&CISORESTMP=/site-templates/item_viewer.html&CISOMODE=thumb >and was wondering what the decoration was on the lady >in the white dress on the far right. I could see >buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of >the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the >overskirt look to be the same. Was this possibly a >pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe >for this timeframe? I know crepe of some kind was >available to the Vikings but when would they have used >it for dresses in the 19th century? I'd like a nice >Edwardian or Victorian winter dress out of the crepe >but would prefer to be as authentic as possible as it >is really nice wool. If the buttons on this are >duplicatable or the trim could be duplicated even in a >white or cream lace I think I could have found my >winter project. Thanks for any thoughts. > Cassandra > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 13:06:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I6o2p010791 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:06:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03I5g2L001879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I5IED014387; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03I52Vc013959 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:04:10 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:04:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Thread-Index: AcTxpamR7EUJKA2GSf+v6wUd9ZZ0rgAGKqOw Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 18:04:10.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[A027CE20:01C4F1BE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] List wierdness.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it just me, or is the list sending out triplicate messages? Only in the last two days, but I've been getting three identical copies of each message (sender, subject, time-stamp, text) and haven't a clue why.. Can anybody help, correct, comment? Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 13:45:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Ij0oC011407 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03Ii62L007316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Ii0wY048965; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03IhuU6048817 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.157.475121f2 (2612) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <157.475121f2.2f0aec63@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:43:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/3/2005 8:07:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: > I could see > buttons on the jacket but what about at the bottom of > the skirt? The inside of the front turn back on the > overskirt look to be the same. It looks like they used tons of the same passemeterie applied all over the jacket overskirt and skirt with buttons trimming the bottom. This would not be unusual. Sometimes the buttons on the skirt are not really sturdy functional buttons like would be on the jacket but might be like made of covered cardboard. The turnbacks [or revers] are lined in the same fabric all over the ensemble. Was this possibly a > > pre-made edging of some type? Could I use wool crepe > for this timeframe? > > Not if you're imitating this dress, which is obviously watered silk. I'm not > sure wool crepe is a popular fabric at this time but, y'know....never say > never. Stiff fabrics, fabrics with body are in vogue then. If the crepe is > drapey and supple save it for the 1930s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 14:13:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JDCfW011918 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03JCC2L011246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JC1FB073819; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03JBux6073734 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([65.93.42.10]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050103191155.KUCN1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:11:55 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20050103140325.00c48478@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:11:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/647/Fri Dec 31 16:00:10 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would agree with this. The passemeterie is either in a figure 8 or series of circles pattern. It looks like buttons would be placed in the centre of these circular patterns at the front of the jacket (I would bet the jacket would be closed with hooks, however). A series of buttons run down the lower centre front of the skirt for decorative purposes. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 17:33:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MXsj0015547 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03MX02L004839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MWN5S040193; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav15.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MW8CI039962 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:32:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:31:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041215175751.72227.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <41C16F61.1000909@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My Polonaise corset Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:32:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2005 22:32:02.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BB0CC30:01C4F1E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I'm awfully late in answering this but... > Fhirst I had reeds for boning in my corset but I've got some awfull > bruses on my hips. > I think the corset may be to schort for me. > But the back looks to high. I just don't know where every thing really > schould be. Often, if you have bruises on your hips, the corset is too long, not too short. I remember that I often think that you make your corsets and bodices too long. But of course, that's just looking at pics, and I might be totally wrong. > I think metal isn't flexibale enough and reeds are tho thick. It depends what kind of metal boning you use. There's spring steel, and there's spiral steel. They're not the same at all. There's also different kinds of spring steel, some are more rigid than others. And of course, artificial whalebone (plastic) is usually more flexible than metal. What kind of reeds were you using? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 17:57:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Mv8ea015954 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:57:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03MuM2L006926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03MuHN5059569; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03Mu9bF059442 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3953B2F323 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p191.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.193]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D2A4D484 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1866 fashion plate dress decoration Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <41D95EB5.7050806@princessharold.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 2 cents from a novice of this period. The dress looks to be of moire (sp?) The red looks to be satin. The edging could be lace. I do not think that there are buttons all along the edge and the bottom edge of the jacket appears to be somewhat flat. Same goes for the skirt and cuffs. There may be buttons of the sort at the bodice opening and definitely four buttons in the rectangular section on the skirt. De Still getting over being sick. :P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 18:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NReUO016473 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:27:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03NR22L009861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NQuc7084152; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03NPhM7083214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.97] (acty3097.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.97]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j03NPcnv010463 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <41D9D46D.7070904@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:25:33 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another new movie: New World References: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <68D5CE17.06A346EC.00190178@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, well. I see that the costume folks had lots of fun and abuse with historical accuracy on this one. Black shirts? Never have seen one (not counting Blackadder, of course ;) ). Poor old (not young) Matoak (Pocahontas) wearing some poorly sewn together top looking like some 70s patchwork handbag. I didn't even get to see how badly they screwed up the shoes... and the visor on that one burgeonet looks like they stole it from a suit of that decorator armor that adorns theme restaurants (although the rest of the armor looks not too bad). Rickrack on Rolfe's doublet? At least I know who made the muskets, so they look fine. I guess I'll have to go see this one and suffer through it . Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0415aoC017163 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:05:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041532L017690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0414V0P009885; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav5.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04145Di009623 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:03:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 01:04:00.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[466F8180:01C4F1F9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Stretching it, I know, but what did you all get? Nothing costume-related either this year - the books I wanted are either too expensive or too hard to get - meaning *I* know where to buy them, but it's too complicated for *them* to buy them out there :-) DVDs (Last Samurai, Charlie Brown Christmas, Monsters Inc., The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and the extended version of Return of the King), CDs (Jorane, Rama Sutra, people you wouldn't know about because they're from around here), Cooking books (Ricardo (local chef) and a Japanese cooking book), one of those nice cast iron enamelled Japanese teapots (I'm so in love with it I kept taking it out of the box just to look at it), a sushi serving set (plates, chopsticks, bowls and sauce bowls), homemade things to eat, a CD with songs of local birds so I can learn to recognize them by sound (I've been wanting one of those for a long long time), some clothing and a pearl necklace directly from China, and a starter calligraphy set. Phew! I didn't realize it made such a long list! But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to get exactly what I want :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041HAqL017244 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041GD2L018562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041G98C017093; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041G7s6017004 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:16:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:15:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:11:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 01:16:00.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B6AD90:01C4F1FA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think my most favorite was the > rolling magnet that my hubby gave me. It is about a foot long and sits on > wheels above the ground about an inch. It rolls along my floor and picks up > all the pins I drop (hundreds!). Wow! I should think of getting one of those. It's amazing how fast I go through a box of pins - I figure they probably just get vacuumed up, because I hardly ever seem to find any, let alone notice when I loose them! I just know that I have to buy a new box every few years - and I don't even sew that much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 20:42:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041gl3D017434 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:42:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j041gB2L020187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041g3f5032580; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j041g1GC032494 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005010401415601500ceaoge>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:41:56 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.117; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:41:54 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:41:54 +0000 Message-Id: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got a few gift cards to Fred Meyers from my family. My favorite gift is the one I got from a gentleman who was in Lyon France when we started corresponding. He brought back for me the "musee des tissus musee des Arts decoratifs". He also took some awesome pictures some of the looms that were there. Of course, the book is in french, but I'm still elated! Elena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 21:42:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042gZkB017783 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:42:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j042fn2L024343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042fZDB070359; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042fU1J070220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j043n4NK020833 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:49:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:00:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <010420050141.20443.41D9F461000D963D00004FDB22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501032200.57137.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got three costume-related presents: A copy of "Chinese Silk," by Shelagh Vainker, which is a history of the production of silk in China; A copy of "The Book of Kimono" by Norio Yamanaka, who founded one of the modern schools on how to wear kimono properly. It's mostly a manual on how to do just that, with a bit of costume history. and.... A digital camera, so I can download photos of my creations onto the web. Now if I only had time to make some.... :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 21:50:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042obMF017837 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j042j32L024552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042j3Fg072618; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j042gF9n070722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:42:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j043nnls020857 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:49:49 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] List wierdness.. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:01:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501032201.42996.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 03 January 2005 1:04 pm, Betsy Marshal wrote: > Is it just me, or is the list sending out triplicate messages? Only in the > last two days, but I've been getting three identical copies of each message > (sender, subject, time-stamp, text) and haven't a clue why.. > Can anybody help, correct, comment? Betsy I haven't seen the behavior (in fact, I've seen very few h-costume messages at all in the past few days. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 23:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0449L21018307 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:09:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0448f2L001201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0448Yw4024566; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52807.mail.yahoo.com (web52807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0448TLF024446 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heirloomsew@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42779 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 04:08:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=P0uTrRGMkRkBgiSsAccYW8A1fACvLX5/E2IMGYT+co4NzuXS02AMH/C79yaLzyHvmX3Y7b0iOcXWRgYGUf4ip2oRjl6xE27ompfKI4lAaVptNiiOG47wQGItgK30YXlnpNznZpEz16P4YoVd774mBG2Y+co8/OBeqTjR3JaQeJQ= ; Message-ID: <20050104040824.42777.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.203.167.228] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:08:24 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: Frances Webb To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Everyone, I'm very interested in costume but haven't sewn many, so I'm a "lurker" on your list learning so much from all of you. However, I just found out the the bobbin lace guild I belong to has been invited to demonstrate at Appomattox Court House in April for the 140th anniversary of Lee's surrender. And all who want to participate will need an 1865 outfit. Normally, we demonstrate at Thomas Jefferson's summer home, Poplar Forest, on the Fourth of July, so most of us have c.1810 costumes. Only two members do Civil War re-enactment. Can you suggest an easy "big three" pattern that would look fairly close to what a woman in Virginia might have worn in 1865 at the end of the war? Several of us are larger women, so any advice in that area would be appreciated as well. It is uncertain whether we would need costumes of this period after this one time, so some members are reluctant to go the whole route with 100% authentic. But after the turmoil of war, I'm not sure what women might have been wearing... Would they have still been wearing stays, for example? Fabric suggestions would also be very welcome--should we try to fade or add "wear" to our costume? As you can tell, I'm feeling overwhelmed with the possibilities! Any way, thanks in advance for your help, Frances in Virginia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 3 23:49:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044npgm018690 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j044nB2L003688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044kjvY047404; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j044jp1a046903 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from IceGirlNIN@aol.com) Received: from IceGirlNIN@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.6.3bb40bfd (657) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: IceGirlNIN@aol.com Message-ID: <6.3bb40bfd.2f0b7978@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:45:44 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Civil War era isn't my period, but Simplicity has put out several patterns done by Martha McCain that might be of help to you. I've heard only good things about this particular designer, and Simplicity even has documentation for a couple of patterns (her men's patterns, I believe) on the website! If you go to _www.simplicity.com_ (http://www.simplicity.com) , to the Civil War costumes section for Adult costumes, you'll find them. The women's patterns on the website are 5442 (summer dress) 5724 (ballgown), 7212 (day dresses), and 9761 (day dress). There are also undergarments patterns for corsets, hoopskirts, and chemises, and drawers. A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if you don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd just buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way! Hope this is helpful, Christine In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, heirloomsew@yahoo.com writes: Can you suggest an easy "big three" pattern that would look fairly close to what a woman in Virginia might have worn in 1865 at the end of the war? Several of us are larger women, so any advice in that area would be appreciated as well. It is uncertain whether we would need costumes of this period after this one time, so some members are reluctant to go the whole route with 100% authentic. But after the turmoil of war, I'm not sure what women might have been wearing... Would they have still been wearing stays, for example? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 07:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C9OiY012543 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:09:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04C8d2L007465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C8RuF075949; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04C7kZi075583 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1db.329ed28a (4254) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.329ed28a.2f0be101@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, IceGirlNIN@aol.com writes: A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if you don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd just buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way Yes, these patterns are great. I agree about the hoop--you might even be able to find one cheap at a thrift store. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:15:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EFqQk019776 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:15:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04EF12L015061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EEdsp045602; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EEbba045512 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4C445E90064; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:14:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 14:14:27 -0000 Message-ID: <009101c4f267$cbbb0080$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the mounted lace. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > Hello. > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, put > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to iron > it. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E House" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:07 AM > Subject: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is great-grandma-in-law's > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as I > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to risk > bleach. > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell them, > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to draft > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of fun > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial wallpaper, > for example. > > -E House > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff of > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:25:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EPIAT019820 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04EOU2L015596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EORIW051331; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EOPYw051252 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A71140EA009C; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:24:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 14:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <00c501c4f269$2bbb4e80$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041226183952.16670.qmail@web53606.mail.yahoo.com> <41CF23D6.5030507@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, couldn't you use the box for storage of things like fans, silk hose , gloves and mitts, beaded belts, and such. I seem to be getting a nice collection of boxes and baskets that I am filling with assessories for my various costume period collections. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Dutch web-bookstore > http://www.bol.com/ > Try this one > > cw15147-lists@yahoo.com wrote: > > >Sorry for this completely off-topic post, but I'm > >hoping to get help from the international members of > >the list. I'm looking for well-recommended Dutch > >bookstores selling on the web (that will ship > >internationally), selling Dutch-language books (not > >literary texts, just popular novels and the like). > >Amazon.nl bumps you over to amazon.uk, and they don't > >seem to have a very extensive inventory of > >Dutch-language books (well, I'm actually looking for > >audiobooks). > > > >Thanks! Oh, and Happy Holidays to ya'll! > > > > > > > >Claudine > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 09:45:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EjTAp019999 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Eii2L016625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04EidJa063814; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j04EiVtM063650 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 14:44:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050104144008.01496608@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:41:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q In-Reply-To: <009101c4f267$cbbb0080$715183d1@rmitchellras> References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:15 04/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests >that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will >help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the >mounted lace. Don't forget that a stocking, in the 19th century, would have been silk, cotton, or wool, in all probability. Suzi > > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, >put > > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to >iron > > it. > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is >great-grandma-in-law's > > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as >I > > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to >risk > > bleach. > > > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell >them, > > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to >draft > > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of >fun > > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial >wallpaper, > > for example. > > > > -E House > > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff >of > > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 10:20:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FKxcY020442 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:20:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04FK02L019212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FJnd7088323; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FJk9w088186 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A40B3D91008C; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:19:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 15:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <020201c4f270$e725f560$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001401c4ec01$89c2e470$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:20:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Concerning the magnet, where did your husband Find this intriguing item? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts > > I think my most favorite was the > > rolling magnet that my hubby gave me. It is about a foot long and sits on > > wheels above the ground about an inch. It rolls along my floor and picks > up > > all the pins I drop (hundreds!). > > Wow! I should think of getting one of those. It's amazing how fast I go > through a box of pins - I figure they probably just get vacuumed up, because > I hardly ever seem to find any, let alone notice when I loose them! I just > know that I have to buy a new box every few years - and I don't even sew > that much. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 10:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FQLBO020487 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04FPV2L019712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FPSDT092374; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04FPLl2092217 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A55B2E9500A4; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:25:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 15:25:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4f271$af254ca0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02e901c4e965$a82bada0$0400a8c0@compaqub><000f01c4eab3$754d1cd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <5.1.0.14.2.20050104144008.01496608@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:25:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are correct! I have singles of both cotton and silk that I bought to use for doll hose. Since they are uncut, they can still be used for that purpose...when I have the inclination to sew the stuff! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] nice problem to have: textile conservation Q > At 09:15 04/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >This is also my favorite way. I have a late 19th instruction that suggests > >that you put the bottle in a stocking before doing the winding. This will > >help to absorb the moisture as well as providing a light cushion for the > >mounted lace. > > > Don't forget that a stocking, in the 19th century, would have been silk, > cotton, or wool, in all probability. > > Suzi > > > > I would take each lace seperately to wash in soap flakes. > > > You can use very hot water. Gentle wrap each lace round a glass bottle, > >put > > > a needle to secure it in the end, and stern the bottle in the soap water. > > > Rinse water with many hot waters afterwards. > > > Let each lace dry on the bottle, you get the lace nice and dont have to > >iron > > > it. > > > > > The good news is that one of my Christmas presents is > >great-grandma-in-law's > > > collection of lace and patterns, from 1909-1913. The BAD news is that > > > they're spent nearly a century around a family full of smokers! One bit of > > > the lace is badly deteriorated, from plain old age, but the rest is in > > > almost perfect condition, apart from the awful stench. Other than that one > > > small piece, it's not even discolored. > > > > > > What might you guys suggest for this kind of problem? The lace, as far as > >I > > > can tell, is all cotton. It's strong, but I'm definitely not willing to > >risk > > > bleach. > > > > > > Also, any ideas on how to preserve the patterns? I'm not going to sell > >them, > > > and they're several sizes to small for me to use, but I might like to > >draft > > > something in my size from them. I don't think they're enormously rare, or > > > anything like that, so I may consider preserving them in a way that would > > > reduce the value, from a historian's point of view. It would be kind of > >fun > > > to laminate them, and hang them on my sewing room wall as partial > >wallpaper, > > > for example. > > > > > > -E House > > > (who smokes, but always smokes outside away from any open windows, wears a > > > smoking jacket, and washes her hands and face afterwards so that no whiff > >of > > > smoke can possibly get near her sewing!) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 11:25:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GPiwq021236 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04GOh2L025619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GOVaR039717; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04GOOms039565 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:24:17 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year Thread-Index: AcTyafJjJ+pITzucRDO2Xz5ivYe6iQAD1bRA content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello folks! I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at work (where my email access is). I won't have time to read all the list stuff that happened while I was away so I'm skipping it and startting in with the here and now (hope I didn't miss anythign too important!) I hope you all had a great time over Christmas and New Year Teddy (who had a fantastic time visitng friends and sewing dolls and dolls clothes but ddin't get any costume related presents except a few very loud "fat quarters" that will probably end up as dolls clothes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:43:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhNjf022931 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HSc2L002499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HSTpH095676; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HSNmn094930 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j04HRi218225.; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:27:44 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:27:44 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:27:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 04/01/2005 16:24:17 >>> >I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at >work (where my email access is). Me, too. I went to Chichester for New Year - spent 2 days playing Renaissance music (in costume) in a 17th century cottage at the Weald & Downland Open-air Museum (complete with log fire and candlelight). We had fun and the public were very appreciative. I didn't get any costume-related presents, but have spent some of my Christmas money on historical fiction and period cookery books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:43:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hhh5n022941 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HfD2L004118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HfC0Q007694; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hf8nv007640 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=SG01) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Clsg6-00048h-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:41:06 -0800 From: "Wicked Frau" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j04Hhh5n022941 Status: RO I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace Hardware is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock it! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HoJUb023069 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04HbK2L003750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HbDNT004429; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Hb7UQ004289 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.46.60172e8f (4539) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The gowns of this period are big and full of fabric but they are not that hard to make. There are no unusual skills required and some commercial patterns are very good. It's the underpinnings that are the bitch. Make a corset and wear it. It is essential. Also, even with a commercial pattern, remember clothes then fitted more snugly than you may be used to. Fit the bodice close and tight. If you don't want to make a hoop, you can get away with buying or renting one from a bridal shop. Get one with as many hoops as possible. Make a small butt pad and wear it under the hoop to push it to the back a bit. The hoop at this time has a slight train and is a difficult shape to get, but a regular hoop with a small pad under it is acceptable....especially for day wear. Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. Have fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:54:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HsI4f023145 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Hi02L004379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhxRS010215; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhXfF009705 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.184] (pm5-184.eos.net [205.133.149.184]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j04HhJdb010827 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:19 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:38:23 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501041425.j04EOxRR051654@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: big 3 civil war X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with what everyone else has said. If you are going with a "Big 3" pattern then definitely go with Simplicity. And if you are only going to wear it once I wouldn't worry too much about complete authenticity as long as it's in the right era -- I know, heresy! heresy! -- but of course you can always look at photos and fashion plates from the era and customize. At least one of the Simplicity patterns is in large sizes; maybe all of them. I'm not an expert on this era, but as far as I know after the war the women would be wearing the same things they wore before and during the war. They didn't abandon their stays or petticoats because of hardship. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 12:54:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HsNrh023154 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:54:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Hha2L004340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhXHo009765; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04HhQCv009673 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so196240rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PT2wHCyB2uT5VCH80q+SPtCfpybgNI7OkrFA08ApXinpeoRo09sBg17dKZfolq8rUt19KgAaccx56ypZcyfRGfaQRG5JVunmy7tzsW4I/pR67YF/tvtPsjNg5lxnH62RAsTmMjBB/NL95fyXKc8qhBbS5imIP+3PgqAfTfxhhnE= Received: by 10.38.161.21 with SMTP id j21mr288096rne; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:43:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:25 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions In-Reply-To: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to > get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and > at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you > just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide > elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. -- I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:02:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2vuP023363 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04I2M2L006533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2HrE026942; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04I2CKa026774 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e3.321859de (4402) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.321859de.2f0c341c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:41:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! Dritz makes one, too, and it works well. It is available with notions in sewing stores. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:13:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IDsIH023575 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:13:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04ICn2L007756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04ICgVT036270; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j04ICbwL036196 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:12:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7926 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:12:38 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:12:38 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:12:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:12:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses > Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! > > The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic > silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It > took > it off in a second! > > > > It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is > expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace > Hardware > is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock > it! Try your local Bed, Bath & Beyond. In their cleaning/ironing section they sell irons and the Faultless iron cleaner. And yes, it works great! Di www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 13:18:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IIQau023659 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:18:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04IFD2L007973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IF6Zk038336; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04IF2Ms038054 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:15:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010418145001400r4d8de>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:14:50 +0000 Received: from [24.16.244.181] by 204.127.197.118; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:14:48 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:14:48 +0000 Message-Id: <010420051814.2485.41DADD180004546F000009B522007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm. I wonder if that's why I find myself inexplictly gently swaying side to side. I always thought it was because I developed a habit of rocking, to get my baby to sleep... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:58 EST, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Remember when walking in a hoop skirt to take small steps. The idea is not to > > get the hoops swinging. If you take long strides it will start to swing and > > at some point will be swinging back as you step forward and RRRRRRIP.....you > > just stepped on the front hem and tore it! Take small steps and glide > > elegantly.... like a boat on the water...across the lawn. > -- > > I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught > to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. > (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in > a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. > > ============================ > Soda Club Distibutor > http://snipurl.com/avkn > http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 14:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JCfG1024697 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04JBj2L014604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JBXYU088386; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04J9i12086637 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9F121EC0058; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:09:37 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 19:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4f291$07535ce0$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:10:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have also found it at my JoAnns and other sewing-fabric venues. I usually pick up three or more when I find it. Great stuff indeed ! to have on hand. Nothing like stitch witchery and its cousins to gum up an iron. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] Discovered Great new Product! I was at a friends the other day and we had to clean her iron. She uses Faultless Hot Iron Cleaner. It worked SO well, I could not believe it! The iron had been too hot when another friend tried to iron some synthetic silk brocade and there was a big plasticy red smooge on the bottom. It took it off in a second! It is kinda hard to find (you can buy it on the net, but shipping is expensive for such a small item), but well worth the search! Ace Hardware is supposed to sell it, but I called 3 in my area and so far none stock it! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 14:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JZidL025205 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04JZ72L017026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JZ0Nt008876; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04JYuQE008776 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AFDA1F4D0066; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:34:50 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Jan 05 19:34:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c4f294$8d21ca20$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:35:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] end of the year finds X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j04JZidL025205 Status: RO Just home from Boston... Two books I found in assorted stores: Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various sources. I had not seen this before. Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, ornamentation, and functionality. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:08:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K8o3O025849 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04K7x2L020351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K7tvb037057; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04K7o5R036757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:07:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D19D878D for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 03466-01 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 69EEFD833C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions > > I can recall when I had my debut (16 years ago or so) we were taught > to swing the hoops. Walk pigeon toed to make them sway like a bell. > (or is it belle?) The idea isn't too get them swinging like you are in > a typhoon but gently enough to catch the eye of the gentlemen. > This is precisely what I LOVE about this time period. I love the feel of a gently swaying skirt when I walk. It's a big part of why I prefer late period SCA garb as well. The wedding gown I orginally had chosen for my first wedding looked like an all white version of Scarlett O'Hara's barbecue dress. (I didn't get to wear it, because it was burnt to ashes in a warehouse fire before I ever got it--which should have been a warning to me--but that's a whole 'nother story. lol) The one I wound up wearing also had a hoop, but was completely different in style otherwise. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:16:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KGHti026004 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:16:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KFL2L021090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KFAVQ043352; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KF6vL043293 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so228172rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gedN+nS3lIlGgijjpty/O5YcYcNixZgr+C1IE8kkog2lUbwVj5zfeIErFYD9Wgm1v0AlFKp7+Vq3FKiG/kRT+RJxnUYvKluzGsFYP9Gx9fc1WGeXANQFBLu/HEf745j2NkZ5LSrrDW0aTSLddMi3MIERUU8jlgkjwdy+viXKjvo= Received: by 10.38.4.61 with SMTP id 61mr167445rnd; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:15:02 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions In-Reply-To: <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:09:08 -0500, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > This is precisely what I LOVE about this time period. I love the feel of a > gently swaying skirt when I walk. It's a big part of why I prefer late > period SCA garb as well. > > The wedding gown I orginally had chosen for my first wedding looked like an > all white version of Scarlett O'Hara's barbecue dress. (I didn't get to wear > it, because it was burnt to ashes in a warehouse fire before I ever got > it--which should have been a warning to me--but that's a whole 'nother > story. lol) The one I wound up wearing also had a hoop, but was completely > different in style otherwise. > > Dianne -- I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 15:17:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KHoA6026042 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:17:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KHD2L021344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KHDpo045313; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04KGUnO044635 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-56-125.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.56.125]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KGctw008753 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:16:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:16:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to >get exactly what I want :-) After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). It's 367 pages of crochet history, with 761 images of antique crocheted items and antique crochet illustrations. There are even pages from antique crochet-sample albums. In the back are instructions, in Danish, for several different antique crochet techniques, illustrated with antique examples. The printing is sufficiently good that I can copy many of these items without having to learn Danish. But, as an appendix, my copy has all the captions translated into English. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 16:59:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04LxaX5027886 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:59:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Lwt2L003176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Lwl3J035048; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04LwgCN034839 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12d.5319d970 (2612) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.5319d970.2f0c6b8a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:58:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:09:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, goofy1@suscom.net writes: > I love the feel of a > gently swaying skirt when I walk. Well, there's a SWAY.....and there's a SWING. I'd avoid the swing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 17:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MFjtc027963 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04MF42L004839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MEvlF049881; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MEqvF049612 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 569E3143606; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:14:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust180.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.180]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A5DB1435A9 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:06:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > > I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. > Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great > camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look worn with a flowy open linen shirt. Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 17:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MW8Uf028053 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:32:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04MVM2L006417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MVGYT063492; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04MVB9p063415 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so250477rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:31:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=k27fEyZME+zlpQlS7wuThLs5M3HKkFqzLpGbOOhdka9k9H0+JsSkcMe1qXZhM3oTiHgIm7hZ71U1lZexMV5DkNgHPQps3NKE45+wSXKOEzC9rZpjwDOAq/W6q5Dxsq4eqyAQDfIPrdTACg+E6L3OBhzKAkin7+PsA4/MNGivoCk= Received: by 10.38.149.61 with SMTP id w61mr101362rnd; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104143153cac259@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:31:09 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:06:30 -0600, E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've > recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as > often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are > going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, > swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. > Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look > worn with a flowy open linen shirt. -- I have a couple pairs of 40's era pants from the Folkwear patterns. Very comfy. I also like the empire waisted tops and luckily fashion is vearing in that direction. ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04N2l84028327 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04N272L009554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04N1vUo089311; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Mx979087101 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A4062B3B for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:59:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:50:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f294$8d21ca20$665183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:35 PM 1/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Just home from Boston... >Two books I found in assorted stores: >Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of >dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various >sources. I had not seen this before. I love that book. I have the original hardcover that I bought years ago, and every time I read it I learn something new. It's one of my prime resource for Irish costuming. >Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe >the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten >does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the >ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the >costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, >ornamentation, and functionality. Is that the "sister" book to _Fashion in Detail_ by Hart and North? If so, I have seen that at the stores and pondered getting it, although I am not as much into more "ethnic" garments as I once was. >Kathleen Thanks for sharing your finds, Kathleen. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NEAL5028372 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04NDJ2L010747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NDEbg098518; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NDBpU098395 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from osmanthus@comcast.net) Received: from 9gjej (h000c41cacef8.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.29.62]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010423130501100g874re>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:13:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c4f2b3$be63dd20$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Amy Butler Greenfield" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200412082214.22593.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050102185435.014959a8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [other] RE: [h-cost]Help-going to London Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Costume collections worth a visit - Museum of London and Victoria and > Albert Museum, although the V and A has most of its historical costume > collection in store currently - you can still visit the lace archives and > fabric archives in the library - check when you get there - it's a long > time since I was there. Yes, the V & A is worth a visit, even with most of the costumes in storage. The Textiles Studies Rooms are wonderful, and surprisingly accessible. When I was last there in 2002, I swooned over the gorgeous Renaissance velvets. The V & A gift shop also has a fine collection of costume and textile books, some of which are hard to find elsewhere -- though unfortunately quite expensive, given the current dollar-to-pound exchange. Have a marvelous trip! Amy G., who recently joined this list and is very impressed with how skilled and knowledgeable you all are! Amy Butler Greenfield osmanthus@cochineal.net cochineal@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:26:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NQQ8t028475 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:26:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04NPk2L011800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NPDQ7008281; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NP6oN008080 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2190197 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:57 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! Thanks for that shot in the arm! LynnD On 1/4/05 2:06 PM, "E House" wrote: > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 18:48:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04Nm17C028629 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:48:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04Nkd2L013602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NkZoZ024270; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j04NkWTa024232 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so260343rna for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uPPQfI9Ech8QtU/auEH3Nt+x1aOkhpmKJsHCX74eEL1bOBE1f7HGbVncJb2psDFpOiZ11XymyM8JHL25ErL232CVBEWa2bvv1priDmTdtPGxUl8SlnFP1mYBdpBQ4aiDEew5OSBEt+ESa+0Owb4zI52wh2RlF7uNEsisYfk0Jio= Received: by 10.38.102.78 with SMTP id z78mr37124rnb; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:46:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc8050104154641cc9810@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:46:31 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your 50? Are you a Red Hatter? Then you get the red and purple. Imagine red folkwear pants in satin with a purple satin blouse. And a hat. You need a hat. On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800, Lynn Downward wrote: > You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the > Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me > until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly > losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy > clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I > like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! > > Thanks for that shot in the arm! > LynnD ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 19:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502wpc028738 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0502N2L015000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502HoA035945; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0502Fr6035857 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2190370 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:02:08 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:02:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c5accc8050104154641cc9810@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No. I wear hats, not red. I don't wear purple ever - stopped in high school when the whole world went purple. Gave it up with unicorns. The red hatters I've met one on one are lovely people. I'm not a joiner. On 1/4/05 3:46 PM, "Jacqueline Johnson" wrote: > Your 50? Are you a Red Hatter? Then you get the red and purple. > Imagine red folkwear pants in satin with a purple satin blouse. And a > hat. You need a hat. > > > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:24:56 -0800, Lynn Downward wrote: >> You are so right!! I dressed in 1920/30s clothes as a teen (remember the >> Pointer Sisters as the Andrews Sisters?). Why did I stop? It's taken me >> until I turned 50 to wear red again, my best color, why??? I've been slowly >> losing weight over the past few months. I'm going to start dropping my baggy >> clothes and replacing them with clothes that fit and flatter - and that I >> like. I think those Folkwear pants are in my future too! >> >> Thanks for that shot in the arm! >> LynnD > ============================ > Soda Club Distibutor > http://snipurl.com/avkn > http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 20:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051JgtC029041 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j051J42L021374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051Iq8e086246; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j051In1A086135 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m49.in-tch.com [216.166.191.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j051GAQ29423 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:16:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41DB419A.2050207@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:23:38 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Christmas/New year References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792630@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Teddy! It's been pretty quiet on the list. Mostly, I remember discussions about Holiday gifts received. And some discussion about 19th c. costuming... --sue, from frigid, single-digit Montana (farenheit, kids...well below freezing ;o), where she is currently engaged in spinning nice, warm wool yarn and contemplating what she wants to do for costuming in 2005.... Teddy wrote: > Hello folks! > > I just got back from the Christmas-through-New-Year close-down here at > work (where my email access is). I won't have time to read all the list > stuff that happened while I was away so I'm skipping it and startting in > with the here and now (hope I didn't miss anythign too important!) > > I hope you all had a great time over Christmas and New Year > > Teddy > (who had a fantastic time visitng friends and sewing dolls and dolls > clothes but ddin't get any costume related presents except a few very > loud "fat quarters" that will probably end up as dolls clothes) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:00:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0530qQF029690 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053022L027911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j052xrgw046494; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:59:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j052xpkh046422 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip04.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j052xjbt025756 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:59:45 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip04.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2005 21:59:45 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,101,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="533058228:sNHT14297842" Message-ID: <000301c4f2d2$99ec7140$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1db.329ed28a.2f0be101@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:59:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another place to find hoops are at a bridal shop. They will often sell you their older ones. I picked some up for $5-10. Worth it even if it is just for the wires. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Pattern Suggestions > > In a message dated 1/3/2005 11:51:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > IceGirlNIN@aol.com writes: > > A catalog in JoAnns or another fabric store > will tell you which of these patterns are by Ms. McCain. Personally, if > you > don't need to be absolutely authentic and would only use it once, I'd > just > buy the hoopskirt, as it's a lot less time-consuming that way > > > Yes, these patterns are great. I agree about the hoop--you might even be > able to find one cheap at a thrift store. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:08:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0538fFt029727 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053892L028347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05384vR051423; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51408.mail.yahoo.com (web51408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05381CC051337 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85162 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 03:07:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pMSTJ2ungxqM2H4/6dsER8osg8yAlmKZWYBNYvO7QDCVNFGyRiXvl6wkqynjZWe//yvjP3anIuVpoOOD1QdDh62V0rHxPkXuQDV4Udfh8Hh2GhwNdtotalOc9FRusAx/ARyb+NlsAza31gwP44eWI/wuYHv6KrehQVcxr2UaIA8= ; Message-ID: <20050105030755.85160.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.167.17.95] by web51408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:07:55 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501050123.j051MTDH089026@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, After the recent discussions about Civil War Dresses, I think I'd like to try my hand at one. (Day Dress not ballgown) Can anyone reccommend a few authentic patterns to try some with some history and descriptions? Pretty Please? Thanks Again, Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:15:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053Fp7H029821 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053FG2L028773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053FDtt055501; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053FBJb055483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-85.sonic.net [209.148.113.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j053F9P4020591 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: <41DB5BBF.4080806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:15:11 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts References: <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I bought this entirely translated into English a few years ago, as _Crochet: History and Technique_, published by Interweave Press. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself > a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas > money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second > Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan > (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:17:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053HI7j029836 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:17:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053Gg2L028854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053GgU2056420; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053Ge9B056403 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F9BCD4 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:16:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104191526.027f7780@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:15:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) In-Reply-To: References: <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:24 PM 1/4/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I've been slowly >losing weight over the past few months. Good for you LynnD! That is wonderful. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 22:38:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053cGA9030125 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:38:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053bc2L000383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053bZtM068833; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j053bXxt068782 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j053bdu2009829 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:37:41 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050104193005.03491880@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:30:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts In-Reply-To: <41DB5BBF.4080806@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> <20041226224744.8EAA715CF7@mail03.powweb.com> <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I bought this entirely translated into English a few years ago, as >_Crochet: History and Technique_, published by Interweave Press. > >>book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). Amazing stuff. Enough to keep me busy all year. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 23:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054LIJD030712 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054KJ2L003297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054KAl8095100; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav31.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054K7xQ095010 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:20:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV31.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:19:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6><4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:19:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:19:18 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2005 04:20:01.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2DCB3B0:01C4F2DD] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j054LIJD030712 Status: RO Last year, at the after-Christmas sales, I saw a wonderful tree skirt reduced to a very cheap price. It was gold and red, with panels of brocade and velvet and big tassels. Unfortunately Unfortunately, I had no use for a tree skirt. I got it anyway, with the idea I could wear it a a little cape but I've been very hesitant about doing something so strange. However, when we went out to dinner on Christmas day I decided that this was the most glitzy occasion I was likely to go to, so I'd better wear it or face donating it to the Goodwill. The teenage waitress just gushed, such a wonderful shawl, where did I get it, etc. She was a little taken aback to learn it was "really" a tree skirt but stated her intention of hitting the stores the next day in search of a beautiful, marked-down 50 to 75% off, tree skirt. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 4 23:55:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054tBFY031129 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:55:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j054sb2L005431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054sWf2016651; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j054sTfK016608 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A30A31BBF for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p128.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.130]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DE78D3CF for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:27 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:54:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not suppose to buy material unless it is for a project I am working on but I came across 9 yds of green raw silk fabric at $3 a yard. Couldn't find the yellow satin I need to line a long vest. Working on a costume, Simplicity 9045, retro which they no longer sell. I purchased at one time the reddish batik with gold cracks and a purply and reddish batik with gold cracks. I have only so much of each so I have decided to line the vest with a yellow gold satin and add to the patchwork panels Patchwork, because there is not enough of the cracked material to cut all six pieces of the vest as wholes. So the side panel pieces will be the cracked fabric and the front panel pieces and maybe the back will be patchwork. Wal-Mart and Jo Ann's sold out of those two crack fabrics and could not find the satin in the color I need, will check with hobby lobby sometime, they may have the batik with cracks and/or the satin. Enough rambling, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 00:28:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055S4R4031620 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:28:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j055RR2L006997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055RKWd035316; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41807.mail.yahoo.com (web41807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j055RJQI035261 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40071 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 05:27:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2aSmEpKuai4Jx8Kjox5gdHSE8yYv9t4N4vq+T79RijV9eTPYagzFYgPK6QKF9aHnAVemvuSKCCohqI+/huZJQDaVUsPD/P49Ju4tk0e2ZV9LCypBZCFHJlheaUzw6j5g19Pff9HCVCJOb5mz7E2rqcqLgjrsmTMVF/etWmaDkrg= ; Message-ID: <20050105052713.40069.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.154] by web41807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:27:13 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to buy shoe lasts ? Thonk Garden Grove... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c4f1a0$79021ee0$6401a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO City called Garden Grove, they have a "Little Siagon" area there,Garden Grove is about 60 miles South of LA or just a little bit south of Buena Park (think Knotts Berry Farm)AAA could probably give you a heads up on the area...For me it's South on Hwy 39 (Beach Blvd) --- Wicked Frau wrote: > I live in Phoenix, but go over to LA fairly > regularly to go to the textile > district. Where are these folks you speak of? > > >-----Original Message----- > > >Where do you live? Cause where I live ( so. > Calif.) our local little > Vietnamese > >community has old country shoe makers that custom > make lasts for your feet > >from scratch. > > Thanks, > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 00:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055gBFp031767 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j055fc2L007706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j055fZIL042856; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j055fSIw042800 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 05:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.254) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 05:41:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:47:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Garden To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050105030755.85160.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <45625980-5EDD-11D9-8926-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 20:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j055fSIw042800 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really recommend http://www.pastpatterns.com/1850.html Their patterns are excellent! Good luck, Aylwen Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 02:07 PM, ~Angelique wrote: > > Greetings, > > After the recent discussions about Civil War Dresses, I think I'd > like to try my hand at one. (Day Dress not ballgown) Can anyone > reccommend a few authentic patterns to try some with some history and > descriptions? Pretty Please? > > Thanks Again, Angelique > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 06:09:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05B9dac003106 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05B8l2L007236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05B8Zok014712; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41006.mail.yahoo.com (web41006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05B8Xdr014645 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17635 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 11:08:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nT7ryaKK9Yl3jZyQt2f1gfo/zsLbri9r525t6/7O3tWvsI41ckB2cZwvOl3Dy13EsAWYkBSuQpjZcgKCIJ1LmxJeDpc6qoI46xowo/n/JZx6kA29BDTlAB8dfNpooR56SbJr5ajTvNnS49yZ5DlZKFlKOL6ePs8ysImax1v6n2Y= ; Message-ID: <20050105110827.17633.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:08:27 PST Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 03:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Related Holiday Gifts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050104113448.025c6950@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Carolyn. If you want a translation, I would be happy to do that for you. Tania Denmark Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >But costume-related things I've learned to buy myself. It's the best way to >get exactly what I want :-) After Xmas I figured it was time to spend my Xmas money and buy myself a little present. So, foolishly, I went to Lacis. All of my Xmas money (and many additional dollars) later I came away with my second Danish needlework book; _Haekling, Historie og teknik_ by Lis Paludan (ISBN 87-418-7638-5). It's 367 pages of crochet history, with 761 images of antique crocheted items and antique crochet illustrations. There are even pages from antique crochet-sample albums. In the back are instructions, in Danish, for several different antique crochet techniques, illustrated with antique examples. The printing is sufficiently good that I can copy many of these items without having to learn Danish. But, as an appendix, my copy has all the captions translated into English. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 08:49:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dn6c1030398 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05DmB2L005698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dm3jQ096882; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Dm0xZ096816 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A00A2FD0007E; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:47:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 13:47:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f32d$400d2e20$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com><4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com><003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6><4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:48:32 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been having the same thought about reverting to a style I prefer. I arrived in Boston with a seemingly mysterious suitcase "someone" had packed for a 'city trip'. The luggage contained a few of my favorites but nothing especially went together. Sigh. Since I am now of an age that could make me a genuine "Red Hat Lady", I am making a decision to dress as I like and not how others around me interpret present fashion. I have been building a collection of vaguely ethnic clothing; most of it comes from "MarketPlace". It is funky to be sure, but comfortable. I do draw stares out in the marketplace, but as some of you are still comfortable in jeans and tees, being in my salwa camesia or sangli dresses is now my comfort zone. And I often get stopped with inquiries about where I shop. (Of course, for some, that might suggest that I am somekind of a bag lady). But others are interested about the company. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > > > > I like full skirts period. Hooped or not. And silk taffeta petticoats. > > Yummers. Although I have to admit a sneaking love for bustles (great > > camouflage) but my weakness is for artistic reform. Divine gowns. > > > I'm a sucker for the full skirts, as well, if there's no waist seam. I've > recently decided that, by gum, there's no reason I shouldn't wear them as > often as I want! So along with the several pair of 1940s pants that are > going to get finished one of these days, I've decided to make me some fun, > swirly dresses based on my late 15thC short-sleeved self-supporting cotes. > Every time I worked on one of those, I kept thinking how great it would look > worn with a flowy open linen shirt. > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 08:53:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DrGrD030453 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:53:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05DqW2L005937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DqWnF099473; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05DnXA3097663 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0674ADC007A; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:49:27 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 13:49:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c4f32d$7792be00$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:50:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe Hart and North are the authors. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds > At 02:35 PM 1/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Just home from Boston... > >Two books I found in assorted stores: > >Dress in Ireland by Mairead Dunlevey (1999). She presents the history of > >dress from BC to 1928. Lots of nice pics and great notes from various > >sources. I had not seen this before. > > I love that book. I have the original hardcover that I bought years ago, > and every time I read it I learn something new. It's one of my prime > resource for Irish costuming. > > >Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe > >the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten > >does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the > >ethnic collections at the V&A. There are both line drawings of the > >costumes as well as colored photos. A fascinating study of shape, > >ornamentation, and functionality. > > Is that the "sister" book to _Fashion in Detail_ by Hart and North? If so, > I have seen that at the stores and pondered getting it, although I am not > as much into more "ethnic" garments as I once was. > > >Kathleen > > Thanks for sharing your finds, Kathleen. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 09:09:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E9iLw030560 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05E942L006889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E90po008795; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05E8vtq008742 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4F3473B009C; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:08:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Jan 05 14:08:50 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c4f330$2d75ef60$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:09:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds Delightful! I guess that steeped as we are in Historic Costume, finding design opportunity to bring a little life to our mundane fashion world. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] I was bad but it was good :) slightly OT > I'm not suppose to buy material unless it is for a project I am working on > but I came across 9 yds of green raw silk fabric at $3 a yard. Couldn't find > the yellow satin I need to line a long vest. Working on a costume, > Simplicity 9045, retro which they no longer sell. > I purchased at one time the reddish batik with gold cracks and a purply and > reddish batik with gold cracks. I have only so much of each so I have > decided to line the vest with a yellow gold satin and add to the patchwork > panels Patchwork, because there is not enough of the cracked material to cut > all six pieces of the vest as wholes. So the side panel pieces will be the > cracked fabric and the front panel pieces and maybe the back will be > patchwork. Wal-Mart and Jo Ann's sold out of those two crack fabrics and > could not find the satin in the color I need, will check with hobby lobby > sometime, they may have the batik with cracks and/or the satin. > > Enough rambling, > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 10:10:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05FAhNk031716 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05F8a2L011320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05F8QAX044884; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05F8NMc044743 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ae.690b5946 (3996) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:08:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War patterns- The most Authentic To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 12:42:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: > http://www.pastpatterns.com/1850.html Agreed! And pattern 708....1840-1880s corset is my favorite corset! It's a beautiful shape. I of course can't leave anything as is so I lengthened it 1" and added a bone between each bone in the pattern. But it works as is too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 11:45:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05GjFGk001019 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05GiS2L021250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05GhvUx028650; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j05GhFp1027843 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050105164302.54628.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:43:02 PST Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re the Civil War,,,, It depends. I know folks on this list have many, many different mindsets regarding costume/clothes/garb. If you want authentic, go Past Patterns. She has detailed notes, and easy to follow instructions. If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. Don't forget to look on the web. A couple of the contributors to this list have web sites that are very informative. To name only one, Elizabeth Stewart Clark http://elizabethstewartclarkandcompany.com/Main.htm has free patterns and instructions for undergarments, in addition to notes and critiques on the simplicity patterns. And she says things so nicely. And is one of the folks who is available as an information (diamond) mine. Mia in Charlotte, NC, whos resolution for this year is to be a bit less of a lurker and observer, and a bit more of a participant. I will need help later on with my Brunswick gown. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 13:38:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IcTGr003265 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05Ial2L003700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05Iaaam027809; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IaVmq027719 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05IaNh6019921 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:36:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105102301.03314908@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:27:37 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <20050105164302.54628.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit >easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a >good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. I find that the common pattern companies produce easy to follow patterns that can be tweaked toward more authentic construction and detail. And you can't beat the price or availability. I got one of these patterns, and added piping where the originals I looked at had it, and ended up with a pretty good result. I avoided getting several other of these patterns because they would have required too much modification to make them look like the originals I looked at. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 13:42:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IguYO003383 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05IgJ2L004258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IgGLN032884; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05IcppN029783 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.126.53c711cd (4584) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:35 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:38:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-DCC-CollegeOfNewCaledonia-Metrics: net.indra.com 1189; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to order by mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to happen very frequently. I also think a factor for those who are not extremely accomplished seamstresses is that, if they have worked with "Big 3" patterns before, the Simplicity patterns will be more familiar and perhaps easier to follow. Past Patterns and others are excellent, but, if you want to go right out and buy your pattern and fabric and get sewing, it can be discouraging to have to wait for mail order. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:12:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JCnaL004036 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JBs2L008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JBoVK058667; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05J99kU056329 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05J4WsN010117 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105104500.03314c08@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:08:52 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. >Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to >order by mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to >happen very frequently. I only buy patterns to save myself from having to generate them myself from scratch. Decades ago when I started historical costuming, generating my own patterns was the usual case, and I got really tired of it. So I appreciate cheap patterns where I don't have to do much tweaking to make them into just what I want. This is especially important to me because I do science fiction costumes, including some pretty derivative stuff based on historical stuff. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JRut3004337 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JQc2L009882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JQZJ8071384; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JQVGq071336 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:26:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.251] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmGnc-0000go-UW for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01f901c4f35c$5edf4d90$fb159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <126.53c711cd.2f0d8e2b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:25:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b4bf18ae33bc5332f8f29bf12fb235825350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.251 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann wrote: > The Martha McCain patterns for Simplicity are very carefully researched. > Also, you can pick them up at any fabric store, rather than having to > order by > mail. And there is the appeal of the 99 cent sale that seems to happen > very > frequently. Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 14:58:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JwTW9004969 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05JvS2L013353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JvEmE097664; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05JvBLc097551 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.fd.a55a2ba (3996) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:56:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:56:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:50:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > I only buy patterns to save myself from having to generate them myself from > > scratch. Ditto.... Why guess at a good shoulder slope when you can get one off a commercial pattern? You have to fit the garment anyway so the pattern is just an intermediate step. Use what you can get. I love fitting shells! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 15:09:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K9Wsg005199 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05K8l2L014436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K8c13007722; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05K8YRL007607 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.157.477cedad (4394) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:08:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/5/2005 2:27:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hpinto@mindspring.com writes: Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. At Joann's? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 15:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KOgfA005492 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:24:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05KO62L016066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KO2fV020816; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05KNxsS020779 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.113] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmHhD-00051e-Vd for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c4f364$789757c0$71399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:23:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bcc0baae2022051d285ecd5af4a244b8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.113 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to > 17 > January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. > > > > At Joann's? Oops, yes, at JoAnn's. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 16:04:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L4j0w005982 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05L402L020808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L3rkX055568; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05L3lct055470 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CmIJk-000MBX-8b for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:03:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:02:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <46.60172e8f.2f0c2e3a@aol.com> <4c5accc805010409431ea637e7@mail.gmail.com> <003601c4f299$3fd135d0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> <4c5accc8050104121558119dc2@mail.gmail.com> <032a01c4f2a9$a603acb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<7P4N+R0T4zNXQE4tRFmTW2QHwk>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a bit of a dyeing accident before Christmas - I was trying to turn a very pale green pair of trousers into something of a deeper shade, more suitable for winter, but they came out absolutely screaming emerald! I also discovered a bright red jersey that I had bought and then always found too bright to wear - so I wore them together, with a red velved scrunchie with bells on in my hair! Cos I felt Christmassy, and why not? Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean JAMES OGILVIE wrote >Last year, at the after-Christmas sales, I saw a wonderful tree skirt >reduced to a very cheap price. It was gold and red, with panels of >brocade and velvet and big tassels. Unfortunately Unfortunately, I >had no use for a tree skirt. I got it anyway, with the idea I could >wear it a a little cape but I've been very hesitant about doing >something so strange. > >However, when we went out to dinner on Christmas day I decided that >this was the most glitzy occasion I was likely to go to, so I'd better >wear it or face donating it to the Goodwill. The teenage waitress just >gushed, such a wonderful shawl, where did I get it, etc. She was a >little taken aback to learn it was "really" a tree skirt but stated her >intention of hitting the stores the next day in search of a beautiful, >marked-down 50 to 75% off, tree skirt. > >Janet > >Janet Davis >Castle Furnishings >www.medievalbookstore.com > > > Ok, so I guess I actually do have something resembling a New Year's sewing > resolution: stop buying clothing that I don't particularly like (and that > doesn't fit right, anyway) and start making stuff that I like, no matter who > looks at me funny. I used to do it as a teenager. Why did I ever quit?! > > - >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 16:24:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LOaWn006233 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05LMZ2L023070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LMU2t071713; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05LMRxZ071661 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9V00I044OWWT@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.135] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.41]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:22:08 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: Historical Costume Message-id: <80e5af80b61a.80b61a80e5af@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? I thought I had the only one. She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) GAG!!!! Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 19:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060f85R007778 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j060eL2L012364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060eBqw028551; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j060e8Lj028518 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.201]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j060e0h5001019 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:40:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050105154122.032d0518@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:43:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War In-Reply-To: <002d01c4f364$789757c0$71399b04@HELENPINTO> References: <157.477cedad.2f0da337@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Simplicity patterns will be on sale for 99c each, limit of 10, from 14 to 17 >>January. Time to stock up again on whatever suits your fancy. >> >>At Joann's? > >Oops, yes, at JoAnn's. Oh good. I hate JoAnne's, and only buy things there if it costs them money, like expensive patterns for $.99 each. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 22:30:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063Uvs2011160 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j063U12L024203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063TqUW032114; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.t-mobile.com (m70195e42.tmodns.net [66.94.25.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063Tov8032045 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay.t-mobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FBF99D7 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.t-mobile.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.t-mobile.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06263-03 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from MeganLaptop (unknown [10.254.68.56]) by mailrelay.t-mobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:25:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <001501c4f32d$400d2e20$745183d1@rmitchellras> Thread-index: AcTzLada5PLkcnG5Qtaq6b+qNVKR1AAcimwQ Message-Id: <20050106032502.C7FBF99D7@mailrelay.t-mobile.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Care to supply us with a link for this "Marketplace" where you shop for your unique clothing? Now I'm curious. Thanks, -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste (was: Civil War Pattern Suggestions) I have been having the same thought about reverting to a style I prefer. I arrived in Boston with a seemingly mysterious suitcase "someone" had packed for a 'city trip'. The luggage contained a few of my favorites but nothing especially went together. Sigh. Since I am now of an age that could make me a genuine "Red Hat Lady", I am making a decision to dress as I like and not how others around me interpret present fashion. I have been building a collection of vaguely ethnic clothing; most of it comes from "MarketPlace". It is funky to be sure, but comfortable. I do draw stares out in the marketplace, but as some of you are still comfortable in jeans and tees, being in my salwa camesia or sangli dresses is now my comfort zone. And I often get stopped with inquiries about where I shop. (Of course, for some, that might suggest that I am somekind of a bag lady). But others are interested about the company. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 22:55:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063tFmE011598 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j063sj2L025791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063semu044998; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j063sW8D044772 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010603541101300t7ocge>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:54:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:54:11 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050106032502.C7FBF99D7@mailrelay.t-mobile.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marketplace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: Marketplaceindia.org sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes from India while supporting economic development for disadvantaged women in India. Or, to give you their own version: "MarketPlace: Handwork of India is a not-for-profit organization, which supports economic development for disadvantaged women in India. MarketPlace eschews the charity-based aid model, believing that it is better to give the artisans the opportunity to build their own viable and sustainable businesses. Through MarketPlace-supported programs the artisans receive training and education to help them set up and manage their own cooperatives. They also benefit from programs designed to encourage their personal growth as self-sufficient, self-confident and self-respecting women who are working to improve their lives, their families' futures, and their communities. MarketPlace is proud to market in the U.S. the products made by these women " As for their stuff, well, if you love fabric and you love costume, you'll find something to love there. I must say I find their Web site a little annoying; request the paper catalog so you can look at the styles and fabrics without having to know the names of each dress. Enjoy! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 23:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0642S30011740 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0641o2L026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0641l1l048985; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0641jN0048946 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13324 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:14:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:14:51 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Lauren Walker wrote: > In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: > Marketplaceindia.org sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes > from India while supporting economic development for disadvantaged > women in India. The stuff is *wonderful*. One of the DISTAFF crowd at K'zoo dresses almost exclusively in their clothes. Each year I look forward to seeing her new ones. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 5 23:42:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064ggOn012469 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j064fm2L028466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064fdmR070396; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j064faOg070290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j065nLeI024155 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:49:22 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:01:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060001.15750.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got this message from Amazon re: My Order from them of Gale Owen-Crocker's updated "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" (personal order information deleted). I suppose I shouldn't have expected any better from Amazon. :-( ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Wednesday 05 January 2005 1:50 pm From: order-update@amazon.com [snip] Hello from Amazon.com. We wanted to let you know that there is a delay with item(s) in the order you placed on November 25 2004 20:20 PST (Order# [snip]). We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay. Please approve this delay so that we can continue processing your order. (Note that if we haven't received your approval by February 04 2005, the item will be cancelled. We'll still try to obtain and ship the item(s) before that date.) To do so, visit the following Order Update page in Your Account: [snip] If clicking the above link doesn't work, you can copy and paste the link into your browser's address window, or retype it there. You can also access this Order Update page by clicking the Your Account button in the upper right corner of any page at Amazon.com. Once there, you can make changes to unshipped orders, cancel unshipped items, track shipped packages, modify your account settings, and do much more. Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message. Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again. Sincerely, Customer Service Department http://www.amazon.com -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 00:03:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0653OMo012856 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:03:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0652p2L029836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0652k0p081430; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0652WXM081310 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010605021701300t8ccqe>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:02:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:02:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501060001.15750.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Poor you. My local independent bookseller http://www.harvard.com (yes, they are independent, the university is harvard.edu) will special order it for you -- I've had my copy for a week. Use the "Search" box in the upper right corner of the home page, search on "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" or the ISBN, and you can order it online from them and they'll UPS it to you wherever you may be. The Web site is still listing it at $50 but they are only actually charging MSRP, which was 40-something, I forget. You can also negotiate with them at weborders@harvard.com. Support MY independent local bookseller if you can't support one of your own! ;-) Lauren > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > I just got this message from Amazon re: My Order from them of Gale > Owen-Crocker's updated "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" (personal order > information deleted). > > I suppose I shouldn't have expected any better from Amazon. :-( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 01:19:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066JBrm014036 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j066II2L004122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066I8vG018688; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav42.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j066I6Gb018633 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:18:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV42.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:17:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337):your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:17:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:17:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 06:18:00.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[78CDE260:01C4F3B7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j066JBrm014036 Status: RO Or you could order it from your SCA merchant who has it in stock (at least today - this weekend is 12th Night and they may all get sold.) The suggested retail price is $50, which is what I charge. Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 06:17:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BHUsK018112 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06BGa2L018048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BGPMp059531; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06BGLdf059498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE212154003A; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:16:49 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06BGqFM097846 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:22:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher In-Reply-To: References: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-14B6425B X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A Favour Your Excellency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings Gentle Excellency, I hope you had a lovely yule and that Santa (in whatever guise :) was generous. I have enjoyed greatly your contributions to the h-costume list and was wondering if you would mind bringing the Goubitz (sp?) shoe book to Twelfth Night, that i might peruse it and decide if I need a copy for my research on children. If you would be so kind I would truly grateful. Looking forward to seeing you this weekend, I remain, at your service, Melissa Kendal -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 07:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Co39Y012687 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Cn22L021553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CmsNM001137; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Cmkp3000978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06DuSSL022272 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:56:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:08:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: > Poor you. I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. > My local independent bookseller http://www.harvard.com (yes, they > are independent, the university is harvard.edu) will special order it for > you -- I've had my copy for a week. Use the "Search" box in the upper right > corner of the home page, search on "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" or the > ISBN, and you can order it online from them and they'll UPS it to you > wherever you may be. The Web site is still listing it at $50 but they are > only actually charging MSRP, which was 40-something, I forget. You can also > negotiate with them at weborders@harvard.com. I know. However, amazon.com is offering it for $31.50 plus shipping, which still beats the price at the other booksellers where I can find it, and I have a $10 gift certificate for Amazon to apply to boot. :-) > > > Support MY independent local bookseller if you can't support one of your > own! ;-) I have my own independent bookseller, from whom I bought "Woven Into the Earth" in December, which is what I usually do. ;-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 07:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CvuLk012769 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06CvJ2L021977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:57:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CvGFl005126; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:57:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ColPF001863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06DwQTQ022474 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:58:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337):your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:10:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501060810.21761.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 1:17 am, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > Or you could order it from your SCA merchant who has it in stock (at least > today - this weekend is 12th Night and they may all get sold.) The > suggested retail price is $50, which is what I charge. See my reply to Lauren. I'm fine, believe me. I was just making a point about why I rarely buy from Amazon. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:08:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D8pwq012924 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06D6r2L022420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D6EWF009698; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06D6Bxx009618 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7E021F9003A; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:06:40 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j06D6gFM098066 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106051022.048a02c0@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:11:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Favour Your Excellency In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> References: <002801c4eb9e$5c4d0c90$1902a8c0@duncan> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106031746.049ba198@pop.lightspeed.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1AC51EFD X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My apologies all, That was supposed to be a private email. Just proves always double check before you hit the send button. Blushing, Melissa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DC0Bf012958 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:12:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06DBB2L023164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DBBNq013569; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DB7m9013442 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A8E23ED30020; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:10:58 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 13:10:57 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c4f3f1$426500c0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501051514.j05FDEhN048205@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050105102301.03314908@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:11:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The piping is one good addition. The other major difference that I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > > >If you want a little more 21st cent costume-y, ( and cheaper and a bit > >easier to find. I got mine for $1 each) , Simple- city can give you a > >good taste and a decent mid-19 cent. profile. > > I find that the common pattern companies produce easy to follow patterns > that can be tweaked toward more authentic construction and detail. And you > can't beat the price or availability. I got one of these patterns, and > added piping where the originals I looked at had it, and ended up with a > pretty good result. I avoided getting several other of these patterns > because they would have required too much modification to make them look > like the originals I looked at. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 08:24:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DOn2E013172 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:24:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06DLn2L023640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DLfw6018478; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06DLdM5018403 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB5E3F0D0020; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:21:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 13:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c4f3f2$bcaff5a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:22:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the scenes in some other time and place. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Marketplace > > In case the original poster doesn't get back to you: Marketplaceindia.org > sells hand-embroidered and block-printed clothes from India while supporting > economic development for disadvantaged women in India. > > Or, to give you their own version: "MarketPlace: Handwork of India is a > not-for-profit organization, which supports economic development for > disadvantaged women in India. MarketPlace eschews the charity-based aid > model, believing that it is better to give the artisans the opportunity to > build their own viable and sustainable businesses. Through > MarketPlace-supported programs the artisans receive training and education > to help them set up and manage their own cooperatives. They also benefit > from programs designed to encourage their personal growth as > self-sufficient, self-confident and self-respecting women who > are working to improve their lives, their families' futures, and their > communities. MarketPlace is proud to market in the U.S. the products made by > these women " > > As for their stuff, well, if you love fabric and you love costume, you'll > find something to love there. I must say I find their Web site a little > annoying; request the paper catalog so you can look at the styles and > fabrics without having to know the names of each dress. > > Enjoy! > Lauren > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 10:02:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F2NIC013987 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06F1W2L029811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F17bb071671; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06F12OF071571 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:00:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979264F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste thread-index: AcTz74RRnlzGI7nBT1W2vpi2nhyzYwAEJHtg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to "tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your mother.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 10:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FK6ns014085 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:20:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06FJK2L003570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FJF4s083286; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vienna (pool-70-19-239-201.bos.east.verizon.net [70.19.239.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06FJBED083180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cedar@interlog.com) Received: from cedar by vienna with local (Exim 4.41) id 1CmZPm-0006e8-56 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:19:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:19:06 -0500 From: Christine Robb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Message-ID: <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> Mail-Followup-To: Christine Robb , Historical Costume References: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:08:23AM -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. It must be hit and miss, as my husband ordered it for me for Christmas from Amazon, and we received it December 20th. Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GJksF014532 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GDc2L018298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GDV5B020261; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GDSFm020133 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ba.68aa05d4 (26116) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/6/2005 8:11:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the > shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes > trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will > re set that line to a more proper set. as well as making it dropped about 2". Some sleeve heads have no rise at all the sleeve is dropped so much. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:19:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GJkTh014531 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:19:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GIl2L019469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GIiCM024506; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06GDb6I020279 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamstrix@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA74268AUFHVSA for (sender ); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqNAy8OYDah6bRkr693iZ8juQHxRK5v6DA== Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KGN3TVCR; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:12:20 PST Received: from [4.158.153.32] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:11:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.153.32] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:11:48 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2896321495 X-MAIL-INFO: 466d7d3441d0496d6541e06419cdad7d006480ad45a065ad29e0c9e595e55904697471e5493049c07561b06925754d71a469304dd145214df5edb18d448d35790995e18db514b5b43d708509a13d99e105091499cda5c4d09459a4446d19f4fdb9cd7134649d61c90510cdc0400045003020ed30208db4208db4c051e074e98015e115bd0c25712d150d35a450145099d5d099d5f494d5f4707db96dc5cdfdc59d9dcd41fd4141f9dd503df401a0518029c080e0e029e5c0e5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather (shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress according to her standards. Karen (in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) -- Teddy wrote: > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to "tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your mother.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:34:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GY2S0014619 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GXG2L021898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GXCEp035530; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GX9Ie035484 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:33:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9W00EXRLZ925@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.109]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:09 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War To: Historical Costume Message-id: <87fdeb880e40.880e4087fdeb@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And of course - most 21st C patterns assume that the person wearing them is/are wearing 21st C undergarments. I once tried on a dress made from 21st C pattern - over - my period undergarments... LOL!!! nothing fit, nothing set right, and there was a lot of extra in the 'busom' area. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > The other major difference that > I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on > top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I > sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front > shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 11:37:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GbCCl014630 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06GaW2L022280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06GaVgw038310; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06GY2IU036197 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:33:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:31:48 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979264F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx .ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:00 06/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly > > and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. My mother used to complain about my cleavage and short skirts, in spite of the fact that I was a married woman, and my husband approved. Then she complained about my long skirts. You can't win with mothers. She could always make me feel I should get her approval, even when I was in my 50's!! Now I find myself telling my son what he should do - he's 27!! Bad Mom!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HKNXr014933 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HJH2L027835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HIvDN072128; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HIsbo072097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-124.sonic.net [209.148.114.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06HIqrn018876 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:18:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41DD72FF.9070905@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:18:55 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050106162728.01497ac8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The retro clothes I have been buying are those little fur shoulder stoles from the 1960s. Mostly mink and fox originals, though I have bought one modern rabbit "leopard" stole in that style. Perfect for a small person and for a climate that's too warm for much fur. I've also bought three long, straight stoles, possibly from the 1970s? This is not retro, but there is a site called www.charitysalesonline.org based in Nepal that I think benefits Unicef (I found out earlier but forgot). Their knitted cashmere turtleneck ponchos are very nice. They knit them in white, and you have a choice of 140 colors. I went for their two-poncho discount and got one in dark moss green and one in rust brown. Their sales rep is a very nice English-speaking guy who calls himself Theo (Anglicized name). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:38:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HcEj6015114 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:38:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HYT2L029286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYPid084531; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYDRp084285 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A35F259D0040; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:20:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 17:20:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4f414$1fcbf500$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:21:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This indeed describes my machinations! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > In a message dated 1/6/2005 8:11:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > > Modern patterns put it squarely on top of the > > shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I sometimes > > trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front shoulder which will > > re set that line to a more proper set. > > as well as making it dropped about 2". Some sleeve heads have no rise at all > the sleeve is dropped so much. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hde2D015138 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HdC2L029739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HcbKn087828; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HYHUQ084333 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A5392E0C0058; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:28:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 6 Jan 05 17:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f415$3a110120$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87fdeb880e40.880e4087fdeb@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:29:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO This is so true. At Christmas time I had occasion to try to alter a late 18th gown to be shaped by a Ren. corset and the results were just awful! Go figure.... The gig was a last minute body replacement for a house tour; the body also was sporting a D-cup. The body was pleased but I wasn't. Alas, we went with PlanB. And of course, if she wanted to do 19th C, well forget it. Some feel that a corset is a corset. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > And of course - most 21st C patterns assume that the person wearing them is/are wearing 21st C undergarments. > > I once tried on a dress made from 21st C pattern - over - my period undergarments... LOL!!! nothing fit, nothing set right, and there was a lot of extra in the 'busom' area. > > Katheryne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lloyd Mitchell > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Am Civil War > > > The other major difference that > > I see is the set of the shoulder line. Modern patterns put it squarely on > > top of the shoulder, while the cut of the period rides toward the back. I > > sometimes trim about 1 1/2" from the back and add it to the front > > shoulder which will re set that line to a more proper set. Of course, this will make a difference to ease and posture in the finished garment. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 12:53:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hr07E015260 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HqF2L001093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HqAKL098825; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hq76c098757 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24569 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41DD72FF.9070905@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. For instance, we don't see much in patterns for the bustle era, especially between 1870-1876 or 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. It is not considered beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat rear end is considered attractive. I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. Cindy Abel BTW: I did purchase through Amazon.com both volumes for the mid-bustle period: 1877-1882 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:00:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06I0Fuc015358 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:00:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06HxP2L002539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06HxJsC005831; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Hume8003189 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:56:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010617564101400gcto1e>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:56:41 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:56:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c4f3f2$bcaff5a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Kathleen, I didn't think you sounded like a "lloyd"! ;-) It's true that the Marketplace clothes evoke some other time and place, one half-magical and half-historic. How I've handled the expense is to convince my mother that they are my favorite presents; since she now shops entirely by mail-order, and shares my do-gooder tendencies, she's delighted to dispatch my birthday with a Marketplace dress or kurta every year. And as the great thing about unusual clothing is that, never being *in* fashion they never go *out*, I just happily build my collection. I would like at some point to buy yard goods from them, too, but just haven't managed it yet. Lauren > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > > Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not > exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. > Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection > (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the > shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the > scenes in some other time and place. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:16:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IGraW015578 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IDb2L004199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IDSHK017193; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IDOXH017130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-124.sonic.net [209.148.114.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j06IDMFb021122 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:13:23 -0800 Message-ID: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:13:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cindy Abel wrote: > Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods >get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. > > What periods _are_ people wanting patterns for these days? >\I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and >plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and >rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, >cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. > > > Of course. BTW, if anyone is interested in anecdotal type evidence, my-brother-the-New-York-lawyer said (during Christmas vacation) that the fashion models he knows get their molars pulled out to achieve those hollow cheeks. He says he knows several who have done it and they are "regular" models (whatever that means) not supermodels. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IIa7q015596 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IGx2L004567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IGx1Q020185; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IE4MU017573 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010618135801400gdse9e>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:13:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:13:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: >> Poor you. > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. No, but it IS unfortunate when you're waiting for a book to get a delay notice. I think more things sound like sarcasm on e-mail than are intended; I was just commiserating. On the other hand, whenever a company that sucks is trying to establish a monopoly and drive its competition out of business, I really try hard to support alternatives and encourage other folks to support alternatives so that the alternatives have a better shot at continuing to exist. I don't want Amazon to be my only choice. If you usually buy from your local independent bookseller, too, then good on you. Enjoy your Amazon gift certificate. But when considering the general unreliability and frustrating nature of Amazon it is worth considering also that it may be worth a couple of bucks to get relaible, un-frustrating service, and maybe even worth a couple of bucks to keep the reliable and un-frustrating service provider in business. Historical costumers rely so heavily on small-niche vendors that I feel an obligation, where I can, to spend my dollars with those vendors even when they don't provide the very best deal. I can't always afford to -- but I try. It's like paying a little extra to buy my Indian block print dresses from Marketplace -- I love Indian prints, and at least this way I know they're not being made by child labor for starvation wages. It's always a trade-off, but I try to be conscious of the decision each time I make it. Besides, my local independent gives me a 20% discount on next purchase for every $100 I spend, and there wasn't any shipping (so no wait and no charge) and so I got Dress in Anglo Saxon England for $40, and had a great little conversation with the clerk about other books he's gotten from Boydell. Climbing off soapbox and back under rock now. Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:25:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IPL1C015647 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IMm2L005286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IMdrs024841; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IMXv5024748 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so12733rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=GzaCLxYc7R8LwgeZ/PQ74lz/9Q6f06BopRHWbg1Ff1jyOrVWXpZ24np+T7lCXGNjACFKDYhg1ZMi5lWdEwOVTFRJn9t5d4uKgbrUtuX3SjvzxQLcPsibJrxLSbnqA6BMoYd4qZtiHQLbOD288CXYd/JP0HG9QVdImOlEpdGVnvs= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr40677rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010610224b88ddef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:22:30 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41DD7FC6.2010502@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > BTW, if anyone is interested in anecdotal type evidence, > my-brother-the-New-York-lawyer said (during Christmas vacation) that > the fashion models he knows get their molars pulled out to achieve those > hollow cheeks. He says he knows several who have done it and they are > "regular" models (whatever that means) not supermodels. > > Fran > Lavolta Press "Regular" simply means they tend to do magazine ads and bit parts on commercials. They don't do fashion shows (unless it's for the schools or trade shows) and you won't see them in places like Victoria's secret. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:30:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IUf4G015688 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:30:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06ISI2L005930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ISFjb029260; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IOooU026509 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 792231387B6; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust204.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.204]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E54211387F6 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <044901c4f41d$119dce00$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:25:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a similar organization that Christians on the list might be interested in: http://www.ChristianFreedom.org They have the same philosophy as marketplaceindia.org, namely that it's better for people in need to have an opportunity to provide for their own families rather than becoming dependant on charity. As an added punch for me, some of these people aren't allowed to buy or sell at all within their own countries, so this truly is their only chance. Not much in the way of clothing, but some great accessories and home items, some of which can be converted to historical use--for example, handwoven scarves, handmade baskets, wooden plates, etcetc. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:48:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06ImLRw015802 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IjG2L007723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Ij9V2042565; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p01m170.mxlogic.net (p01m170.mxlogic.net [216.173.230.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06IipCL042266 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p01m170.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.5.0-63) with SMTP id f278dd14.2147728304.29080.p01m170.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10122 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.8) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:43:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC106C@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Big Historical Doings Thread-Index: AcT0H2kQ7+32VmSwQEahmDEV40EQaQAAAp/w From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2005 18:43:11.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[92782F50:01C4F41F] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: Big Historical Doings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j06ImLRw015802 Status: RO Oops! Forgot to forward to H-Costume! Bad Kate, no beads! K. > ______________________________________________ > > Hello, All! > > As I perused the local newsrag this morning, there appeared a note > about a huge gathering of historians in Seattle this weekend. For > those who are able, this might be a thing to look into. I've pulled > some specific seminar descriptions, dealing with things Medieval, but > there are TONS of other subjects listed, scattered the length and > breadth of human existence. Enjoy! > > Vilda/Kate/StitchWitch > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ACHA2.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH1.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA42.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH8.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA60.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05AHA100.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH21.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH22.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ASCH27.cfm > > http://www.historians.org/annual/2005/Program/05ACHA10.cfm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:56:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IuNwL015851 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IsN2L008756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IsGqg049927; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Is1r4049684 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j06IrnPs023546 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:53:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:52:57 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600, "Cindy Abel" wrote: >Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods >get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. Not to mention, which styles of which eras get "recycled and updated". Remember the "peasant" styles and "prairie" styles of the early-to-mid 1970's? The revival of '50's music in the '70's, followed by a return of the flared, gored, "poodle" style of "crinoline" skirt ("crinoline" in this case being a gathered tulle petticoat) didn't in the early 1980's? The late 1980's/early 1990's post-"Dress for Success" style of "Power Suits" with 1940's-ish exaggerated shoulder pads and peplum jackets? (I'm sure the exaggerated shoulders of the costumes of _Dynasty_ characters "Krystle Carrington" and "Alexis Carrington Colby" didn't hurt!) And of course the "bell bottoms" and "flares" we wore in the 'sixties and 'seventies are now called "boot-cuts" ("boot-cut" to us meant tapered legs meant to be tucked into the tops of our Frye boots rather than worn over them), and "hip-huggers" are now called "low-rises"... >For instance, we don't see much in patterns for the bustle era, especially >between 1870-1876 or 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. >It is not considered beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat >rear end is considered attractive. Hmm... yet there's Sir Mix-a-Lot's "Baby Got Back" and so many women looking to get "J. Lo" butts... >I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and plastic >surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and rear-end >equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, cages, >and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. But of course! Has it ever been any different? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 13:59:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IxYGv015882 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06IvN2L009145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IvLgV052411; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06IseLH050325 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) Received: from user-38ldvoi.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.255.18]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CmcmN-0004VA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:54:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:55:35 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress >smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. Katheryne responded: >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > >I thought I had the only one. > >She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans >and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) >GAG!!!! Well, i'm 55 and my mother *still* thinks i dress the way i do just to annoy her. I haven't lived with my parents since i was 15, and moved far away when i was 18. For example, i like to wear hats. My mother hates hats. Ergo, if i wear a hat it must just be to annoy her. Of course, i wear hats when i'm not around her. My entree into wearing hats had absolutely nothing to do with her. It came about from two experiences: (1) my boarding school required us to attend church, and back in the mid-60s women had to wear head coverings in church, so i had to get a few hats, and (2) i lived in the Chicago area, and on Sundays when blues clubs couldn't sell alcohol during the day, they opened so we suburban white kids could watch the great blues men (like Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf) play, so i got to see African-American women in their Sunday best wearing really *great* hats. Truly an inspiration. I've got hats from the 19-teens to the 1940s and some by new hat makers that are pretty strange, and i've picked up all the Vogue "Vintage" style hat patterns. Hats can be like little sculptures sitting on one's head. Another example: a while back i went to visit for a couple days (they had moved to Southern California and i'm in NoCal) and i brought clothes that made me happy and that i was comfortable in and that i thought looked good. We were going out to a nice pizza place for dinner. My mother actually said she would not be seen in public with me if i wore the dress i had on (Folkwear Afghani Dress, in 13 different light lavender cottons - definitely not a style or color she'd wear). I said i'd just stay behind and make my own dinner. My dad (now dead 7 years) kind of convinced her to allow me to go as i was. Nobody shunned us because of my odd clothing. Two days later i was out somewhere with my brother, wearing the same dress. A total and complete stranger came up to me and told me how much she liked my dress. (shrug) A final example: I have butt length hair, and i now have grey at my temples. My mother keeps waiting for me to cut it off and dye it and set, ratt, and spray it. That's too much trouble for me. I'm really into low maintenance hair - and, besides, i'm cold a lot, and long hair helps keep me warm. I know - i had fashionably styled hair in the 1980s when i worked for entertainment industry accountants in LA, and i was cold in the air conditioning with barely shoulder length hair. However, since the world revolves around my mother, naturally anything i do she disapproves of, i must be doing because of her. I guess she thinks when i'm away from her i have short hair, and wear lots of makeup and navy blue pantsuits. Anahita (i'm not attacking short hair or navy blue pantsuits if they are someone's own choice, they're just not mine - and i do wear makeup, especially when i'm going to a Goth club to dance) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 14:20:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JKF1v016152 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06JJU2L011765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JJPeO069983; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:lagJ5pX5K2JkU/bkigZ7o2F3nkusxR/U@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JJKG0069922 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j06JJIbZ014812 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 Received: from dci012034014071.discovery.com ([12.34.14.71]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:19:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne responded: >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > >I thought I had the only one. These stories are too funny! Do you kow why parents are so good at pushing our buttons? Because they put them there. I also got reactions as if I was dressing to annoy my mother. I think it's a common phase for all teenagers to wear things thier parents would disapprove of. Last time I was in an airport, though, I saw a few moms in jeans and tight tops that were not far off from what their daughters were wearing. I think many people go through the teenage phase and then switch to professional & casual clothes. Others maintain a personal style. My mother hates the leather jacket I wear, and I don't like it when she gives me clothes. Thankfully mail-order allows returns. Otherwise she's found better things to disagree with me about. I know it's been mentioned before, but for long hair I recommend The Long Hair Site (tlhs). -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 14:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JsXuv016549 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06JrS2L016633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06JrIXo096621; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50401.mail.yahoo.com (web50401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06JrFen096519 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3083 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 19:53:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Kate, you're an evil evil woman.... Angharad / Wolfcat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 16:00:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06L0Dwd017202 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Kx92L023438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Kx1Uq048009; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:59:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Kwxia047943 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cmeie-000Bkc-74 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. I don't let my mother dictate what I wear, it's just I know she will comment on it and be tiresome. And she keeps asking when am I going to get my hair cut. (Not to mention what about grandchildren ;-) ) I never was much good at fashion, and as I've got older I have gained the confidence to just be comfortable and not bother. But I only see my parents two or three times a year, so my mother hasn't got used to it. My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the first ones out of the cupboard. Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? Thanks again for your solidarity. Jean "seamstrix@juno.com" wrote > >I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and >capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's >not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather >(shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter >coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother >needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if >your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother >hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments >about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to >please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of >discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't >need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her >decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress >according to her standards. > > > >Karen >(in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) > > >-- Teddy wrote: > >> Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly >> and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > >Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her >set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she >let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? > >The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. > >If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to >"tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd >suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your >mother.... > >Teddy > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. >Now includes pop-up blocker! >Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 16:29:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06LT6m8017498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06LSF2L026507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06LS9rR070916; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j06LS4KJ070851 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99475 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 21:28:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0YG9FexOl/xY3S2erMkGxSNr5g4WmjSsBPCD8mlrbu4BvTWWihJMFPoaFQRNva6W2VWvu4q+h7bZ7ItauZz4y5h3Nut1OZbtQ9YJG1Y35uqk0aMQ0kk3Za9hXFvvwN/KT42UAgJhVw+jJANm0pNlms3HYqhzI0w8bgbMiSMrfA4= ; Message-ID: <20050106212801.99473.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:28:01 PST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think so...I spend more time on costuming and finding the right fabrics/trims than I EVER have on regular clothes (and I work in a big Pharm Company) It can be interesting at times :) Chris G. Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? Thanks again for your solidarity. Jean "seamstrix@juno.com" wrote > >I'm definitely with Teddy on this one. You are a grown woman and >capable of making your own descisions on what to wear. As long as it's >not crawling with vermin or hideously inappropriate for the weather >(shorts and a tank top when it's well below freezing or heavy winter >coat in the middle of a hot summer day sort of thing), then your mother >needs to face up to the fact that you can wear what you like and if >your taste isn't her's, you still have every right to it. My mother >hated the fact that I wear my hair long and we had several arguments >about it thru the years but I would never cut or style my hair just to >please her- I like it long, it's my hair, so I wear it long. End of >discussion. If your mother doen't like how you look, maybe she doesn't >need to see you? Perhaps you could simply chat over the phone? Let her >decide which is more important- seeing you or trying to make you dress >according to her standards. > > > >Karen >(in a mood to play psychological hard-ball, apparently!) > > >-- Teddy wrote: > >> Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress smartly >> and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > >Jean, just becasue she thinks that doesnt mean you *have* to. Let her >set her own standards and let you set your own - after all - would she >let you dictate what *she* should and shouldn't wear? > >The green and red outfit sounds scrummy. > >If the green is too "loud" for ordinary wear for you, you could try to >"tone it down " by wearing it with black .... on the other hand, I'd >suggest wearing it with the red sweater when you visit your >mother.... > >Teddy > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. >Now includes pop-up blocker! >Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:02:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M2V6N017864 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:02:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06M1Z2L000416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M1M5c096757; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M1ErL096645 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7992D19210A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.36]) by filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28723-13-86 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379D31920D0 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoted: Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. > Not to mention, which styles of which eras get "recycled and updated". > Remember the "peasant" styles and "prairie" styles of the early-to-mid > 1970's? The revival of '50's music in the '70's, followed by a return > of the flared, gored, "poodle" style of "crinoline" skirt ("crinoline" > in this case being a gathered tulle petticoat) didn't in the early > 1980's? The late 1980's/early 1990's post-"Dress for Success" style of > "Power Suits" with 1940's-ish exaggerated shoulder pads and peplum > jackets? (I'm sure the exaggerated shoulders of the costumes of > _Dynasty_ characters "Krystle Carrington" and "Alexis Carrington > Colby" didn't hurt!) And of course the "bell bottoms" and "flares" we > wore in the 'sixties and 'seventies are now called "boot-cuts" > ("boot-cut" to us meant tapered legs meant to be tucked into the tops > of our Frye boots rather than worn over them), and "hip-huggers" are > now called "low-rises"... > (snipped) I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave us. Rowena, Aethelmearc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:10:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MAtcr017927 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MA32L001261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:10:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M9aUd002764; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06M9Hdf002489 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.166.126]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050106220912.GHNO1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c4f43b$f60e5a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050106212801.99473.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:06:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't think so. I have been stuck wearing uniforms of some kind or another for many years now, and my first inclination is to run screaming in the other direction the second I get home. :-) I want to wear whatever tickles my fancy and what makes me feel good at the time. I also tend to think there is a big difference between 'fashion' and 'style', you can be very classy and stylish without being fashionable. A well put together outfit is a well put together outfit regardless of what the current fashion may be, and if it suits you and looks good on you, its a winner. Just my two bits, Sheridan > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? > > Thanks again for your solidarity. > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:15:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MFOdI017970 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:15:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MDg2L001661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MDaf9005823; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06MBMNK004083 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so57459rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:11:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oSeC0M4yEyUQx8vmnxC+C9N8184t/1gHe2+ls1QN1uINK1BjJAoW0WVZIKZAOw5JPGN1j54uoqXh4Xei2GMx1DdwDAUYnyVewZHae4EWDE1HmJCbgpLio5vuVYVscTdiQXYUU55p58OM7vEJ7B9cj0FtoDUgCPEuMCg48lAKtno= Received: by 10.38.74.60 with SMTP id w60mr193816rna; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:11:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:11:21 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the > ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't > FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about > EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. > Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave > us. Rowena, Aethelmearc If you make enough on the old ones replace them with new ones. http://snipurl.com/bts8 http://bootmaster.com/fryeboots.html ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 17:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mc56Q018131 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06MbB2L004598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mb6mY024042; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Mb11J023898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010B91CDD07 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 01096-07 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 689761CDD83 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. Far from alone! I love my hippie hair. I'm 41 and right now it's the longest it has ever been--it reaches to the bottom of my butt. And it has TONS of grey. I color it when I feel like it. If I don't feel like it, I don't color it. > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? Again, not at all==but I have found myself yearning to make things like linen pants and silk shirts. (Maybe green linen pants and a red silk shirt! lol) Perhaps we are just interested in GOOD clothing in general, rather than the off the rack crap! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 18:51:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06NpeY5018811 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:51:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j06Njn2L011942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Njext073246; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06NjbIL073192 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3c032009 (16930) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 EST Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Never mind, Jean, you can't win anyway! - Nige's mum still thinks he should have a short back and sides, and that I should dress her age, not mine (70s not 20s). Stark contrast to my own mother, who I'm sure would only be happy if I dressed as a pole dancer! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 19:14:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070EMaT019048 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j070Da2L015138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070DXfl091166; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070DSxG091126 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so76732rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FTut19/p2VLxiEsfEUkutrqz/jvxtV+w2AE7/fIUeP3VymUVJtpPDsab2/qnyMYvauM7BFOK+3s9NqAdE6ocaYuyB3UJ/UDgKF4WH3+2rwPLRiZF2XtHZGqVWZAenREfj/w8CDiL5NrQ0+TSnN+iQAvjFePghW9nTgcB8x37or0= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr209846rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:13:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010616136ff3cc3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:13:28 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7b.3c032009.2f0f2797@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:45:27 EST, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > Never mind, Jean, you can't win anyway! - Nige's mum still thinks he should > have a short back and sides, and that I should dress her age, not mine (70s not > 20s). Stark contrast to my own mother, who I'm sure would only be happy if I > dressed as a pole dancer! That's my grandad's girlfriend. She's in her early 60's (and I'll admit looks only in her 40's) dresses IMO like a stripper. She tries to push it off on me (who does EGL for the most part) and while she's ok shoving her buxom self into spandex I'm not that great with it. She does however have enough genuine good taste that her clothing gifts are more than welcome. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 19:41:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070fBNM019418 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:41:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j070eb2L017965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070eVf8006733; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j070eOwZ006670 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4766E10175 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.35]) by filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01216-20-16 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFED6FF67 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, those were NOT where I should have gone looking. Now I'm really really wanting some. I'll go stare at the new roof I had to have put on the side part of the house. Jacqueline Johnson wrote: >On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:00:59 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > > >>I just found my still-in-great-condition "best" Frye boots (vs. the >>ones I wore to death on my motorcycle!). Of course, a size 7 doesn't >>FIT anymore (even a largish 7 like these), so I will probably see about >>EBaying them. Bt I am finding it hard to do - I loved Frye boots so. >>Some of the fashions we loved best in those years never quite leave >>us. Rowena, Aethelmearc >> >> > > > >If you make enough on the old ones replace them with new ones. >http://snipurl.com/bts8 >http://bootmaster.com/fryeboots.html > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:06:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0716Sja019713 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:06:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0715g2L020360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0715aJG019655; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0715YoP019638 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so83729rne for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=F8WxUzgrLgwmVWeTPnhaiVYZv3+ucgEzoyHwO07DAQL83PLAXKwTVksid7r7d7bsxBzi9JJ6xPLqmZXM6uufNVBhRFc2wdiR7JCLxS76BIYvRSkTSYln0jn5ZV7NFUJBaa/sRxpryEzHYuf0jeeW3Nwz8V1O9dBtSEdKd47ngTM= Received: by 10.38.22.43 with SMTP id 43mr232130rnv; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.12 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805010617052c6ad9c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:05:32 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste In-Reply-To: <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501061756.j06Hu81x002527@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050106134048.05be2e10@earthlink.net> <41DDB51B.4090305@telenet.net> <4c5accc80501061411665e8db4@mail.gmail.com> <41DDDA6A.8090103@telenet.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500, Home Ec wrote: > Oh, those were NOT where I should have gone looking. Now I'm really > really wanting some. > I'll go stare at the new roof I had to have put on the side part of the > house. I feel no guilt. A new roof doesn't make your feet look cute. *eg* -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071HuBi019787 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071HA2L021281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071H6La025304; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Gi61025099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j072OXMS012066; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:24:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Christine Robb , Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Your Amazon.com order (#102-4272626-6119337): your approval required Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:36:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200501060808.24096.cathy@thyrsus.com> <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> In-Reply-To: <20050106151906.GE17022@vienna> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062036.28138.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 10:19 am, Christine Robb wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:08:23AM -0500, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. > > It must be hit and miss, as my husband ordered it for me for Christmas > from Amazon, and we received it December 20th. He must have ordered it before Nov. 25 (which is when I did). I vaguely remember that I was seeing it posted on Amazon as available just before I finally decided to order it. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:31:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071VeO9019858 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071V32L022258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Uxnx032181; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Uv0J032073 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A64B44B5008C; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:30:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:30:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c4f458$9eb555c0$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, but what do you make of the present butt enhancers? It would seem that there are some people out there that would give anything for a more shapely derriere. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste > > > Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods > get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. For instance, we don't see > much in patterns for the bustle era, especially between 1870-1876 or > 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. It is not considered > beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat rear end is considered > attractive. I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and > plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and > rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, > cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. > > Cindy Abel > > BTW: I did purchase through Amazon.com both volumes for the mid-bustle > period: 1877-1882 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071cLM3019910 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071bi2L023033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071bZ1d035869; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071Xg2Q033696 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j071V4t06323 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:31:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41DDE81B.3050602@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:38:35 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I dunno if it's weird or not, but it seems perfectly natural to me! (I'm very much the same way.) And my sister's much better with fashion anything than I.... --sue Jean Waddie wrote: > My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her > t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the > first ones out of the cupboard. > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about clothes? > > Thanks again for your solidarity. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071fcg1019940 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071f42L023292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071f1WZ037684; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071c1c6036052 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A7F24C22009C; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:37:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c4f459$9b593d00$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:38:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been looking at the yard goods too...After the recent Boston trip, I have decided that what I like too about the style is that indeed they do not go*out*! Two of my favorites are full length coats. In this Pa. climate, I find them the right buffer from the cold. They are, afterall, triple layered cotton. And just the thing to wear over the sangli or other long dresses. Kathleen (And I have been thinking that my husband could use a nice block printed shirt!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marketplace > Hi, Kathleen, > I didn't think you sounded like a "lloyd"! ;-) It's true that the > Marketplace clothes evoke some other time and place, one half-magical and > half-historic. How I've handled the expense is to convince my mother that > they are my favorite presents; since she now shops entirely by mail-order, > and shares my do-gooder tendencies, she's delighted to dispatch my birthday > with a Marketplace dress or kurta every year. And as the great thing about > unusual clothing is that, never being *in* fashion they never go *out*, I > just happily build my collection. I would like at some point to buy yard > goods from them, too, but just haven't managed it yet. > Lauren > > > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > > > > > Thank you Lauren. You said it better that I. As these garments are not > > exactly cheap, I salve my conscience with the social credo of the company. > > Another fun use of my wardrobe has been to use all of the collection > > (upwards of probably 25costumes) for Bibically set productions. So far, the > > shows have been "Amahl" and also "Noes Fludd". They immediately set the > > scenes in some other time and place. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 20:57:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071vNdt020014 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j071uk2L024388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071ugxb045328; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j071s04X043850 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABB227700040; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:53:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 01:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c4f45b$d71e3960$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:54:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The hair is what would always set my mother off...it should be very short (but feminine) and only natural color. From my 40's-50's she would ask if the color was real or enhanced. When I reminded her that she used Clariol in that time period, she would say"I never...". Now I hope I live long enough to sport the beautiful white halo she had in her 80's. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste > Jean Waddie wrote: > > > Next week I go and visit my mother, who thinks I should dress > >smartly and care what other people think of how I look. Grumple. > > Katheryne responded: > >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > > > >I thought I had the only one. > > > >She is STILL waiting for me to out-grow my 'phase' of wearing jeans > >and turn to wearing a 'proper' knee length dress. (I am 37) > >GAG!!!! > > Well, i'm 55 and my mother *still* thinks i dress the way i do just > to annoy her. I haven't lived with my parents since i was 15, and > moved far away when i was 18. > > For example, i like to wear hats. My mother hates hats. Ergo, if i > wear a hat it must just be to annoy her. Of course, i wear hats when > i'm not around her. My entree into wearing hats had absolutely > nothing to do with her. It came about from two experiences: (1) my > boarding school required us to attend church, and back in the mid-60s > women had to wear head coverings in church, so i had to get a few > hats, and (2) i lived in the Chicago area, and on Sundays when blues > clubs couldn't sell alcohol during the day, they opened so we > suburban white kids could watch the great blues men (like Muddy > Waters and Howling Wolf) play, so i got to see African-American women > in their Sunday best wearing really *great* hats. Truly an > inspiration. I've got hats from the 19-teens to the 1940s and some by > new hat makers that are pretty strange, and i've picked up all the > Vogue "Vintage" style hat patterns. Hats can be like little > sculptures sitting on one's head. > > Another example: a while back i went to visit for a couple days (they > had moved to Southern California and i'm in NoCal) and i brought > clothes that made me happy and that i was comfortable in and that i > thought looked good. We were going out to a nice pizza place for > dinner. My mother actually said she would not be seen in public with > me if i wore the dress i had on (Folkwear Afghani Dress, in 13 > different light lavender cottons - definitely not a style or color > she'd wear). I said i'd just stay behind and make my own dinner. My > dad (now dead 7 years) kind of convinced her to allow me to go as i > was. Nobody shunned us because of my odd clothing. Two days later i > was out somewhere with my brother, wearing the same dress. A total > and complete stranger came up to me and told me how much she liked my > dress. (shrug) > > A final example: I have butt length hair, and i now have grey at my > temples. My mother keeps waiting for me to cut it off and dye it and > set, ratt, and spray it. That's too much trouble for me. I'm really > into low maintenance hair - and, besides, i'm cold a lot, and long > hair helps keep me warm. I know - i had fashionably styled hair in > the 1980s when i worked for entertainment industry accountants in LA, > and i was cold in the air conditioning with barely shoulder length > hair. > > However, since the world revolves around my mother, naturally > anything i do she disapproves of, i must be doing because of her. I > guess she thinks when i'm away from her i have short hair, and wear > lots of makeup and navy blue pantsuits. > > Anahita > > (i'm not attacking short hair or navy blue pantsuits if they are > someone's own choice, they're just not mine - and i do wear makeup, > especially when i'm going to a Goth club to dance) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 22:47:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073leEw020647 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:47:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073kS2L002669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073kFDK001659; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073kB6n001562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j074s0Ls016012 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:54:02 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:05:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062305.54232.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (was "Re: Your Order, etc.") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 1:13 pm, Lauren Walker wrote: > > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:02 am, Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Poor you. [I said:] > > I actually did not post the email to complain. I posted it to illustrate > > Amazon's service with regard to imported costume-related books. [and Lauren replied:] > No, but it IS unfortunate when you're waiting for a book to get a delay > notice. I think more things sound like sarcasm on e-mail than are intended; > I was just commiserating. I didn't think you were being sarcastic; but I did fear that you were gently chiding me for whining (especially when I complained a little while ago on the list about not having the money to afford all the new costume books that I wanted. The raise I got at the end of December helped a lot in that regard. :-) ). > On the other hand, whenever a company that sucks is trying to establish a > monopoly and drive its competition out of business, I really try hard to > support alternatives and encourage other folks to support alternatives so > that the alternatives have a better shot at continuing to exist. I don't > want Amazon to be my only choice. Good. I agree with that. I always have. Amazon has simply never been effective for me as a costume book source; I went with them for the Anglo-Saxon book because they *were* selling it at such a good price *and* I had an Amazon gift certificate to further cut my actual out-of-pocket expense. > If you usually buy from your local > independent bookseller, too, then good on you. Ironically, she's not geographically all that local to me, but she sells at a lot of the science fiction conventions that I attend, and I consider her a friend. She also sells at some SCA events in the mid-Atlantic states. Her name is Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She does business as Poison Pen Press, and her website is http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html (shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) > Enjoy your Amazon gift > certificate. But when considering the general unreliability and frustrating > nature of Amazon it is worth considering also that it may be worth a couple > of bucks to get relaible, un-frustrating service, and maybe even worth a > couple of bucks to keep the reliable and un-frustrating service provider in > business. I agree. Of course, it's impossible for any vendor of costume history research to be completely reliable--for reasons entirely out of the vendor's control. I once ordered a costume book from a small business in the UK, waited for months, only to eventually be told that the shop could no longer get the book because it had already gone out of print. Poison Pen Press had the book. However, Devra had it for $40 more (i.e., total price over $100) than the British vendor. In addition, by the time I flipped through it, I realized that the book was not worth $100 to me (few illustrations, poor organization) so I didn't buy it. If it had been worthwhile, I would have. > Historical costumers rely so heavily on small-niche vendors that > I feel an obligation, where I can, to spend my dollars with those vendors > even when they don't provide the very best deal. I can't always afford to > -- but I try. I do when I can. Frankly, costume-related materials are one area where I usually find that the best deals come from small independents. And who knows? Amazon may wimp out and decide they can't or won't fill my order (it's happened to other people) and I may end up buying it from a niche vendor anyway. :-) > It's like paying a little extra to buy my Indian block print > dresses from Marketplace -- I love Indian prints, and at least this way I > know they're not being made by child labor for starvation wages. It's > always a trade-off, but I try to be conscious of the decision each time I > make it. I would love to purchase more from Marketplace, because I really like and respect their business model and their drive, but unfortunately I find a lot of their clothes ugly and off-putting. :-( > > Besides, my local independent gives me a 20% discount on next purchase for > every $100 I spend, and there wasn't any shipping (so no wait and no > charge) and so I got Dress in Anglo Saxon England for $40, and had a great > little conversation with the clerk about other books he's gotten from > Boydell. That's what I like to hear! Both sides are doing well by doing good; everybody wins. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 22:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073vUsM020680 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073ur2L003531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073uoxl007556; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073uklI007480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0754b9o016321 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:04:37 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:16:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062316.31329.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 2:19 pm, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Katheryne responded: > >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? [rest cut] Wow. I guess I never appreciated my good fortune in mothers before. My mother let me select my own clothes (at the time of purchase, not just picking outfits to wear every day) since I was about 8 years old. As it happened, usually she agreed with me. If she didn't, she'd try to talk me out of the purchase--but she would buy the item if I insisted. And when I started trying to make historic costume, she showed me how to use her sewing machine, and even helped me sew the tricky parts. She died of cancer ten years ago, and I still miss her good cheer, and her common sense. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 23:00:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0740H5h020697 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j073xY2L003782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073xYZM009056; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j073wL2b008349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0756BA1016366 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:06:11 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:18:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050106.081220.29986.15800@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> In-Reply-To: <0b4801c4f440$1777d4b0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501062318.07230.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 06 January 2005 5:35 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: [snip] > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > > clothes? > > Again, not at all==but I have found myself yearning to make things like > linen pants and silk shirts. (Maybe green linen pants and a red silk shirt! > lol) Perhaps we are just interested in GOOD clothing in general, rather > than the off the rack crap! Or maybe we are just interested in unusual or interesting clothing, and not mass-produced crap. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 6 23:52:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j074qTXL020924 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j074po2L007303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:51:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j074phkS036233; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j074paEb036185 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cmm63-00062p-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:51:35 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106220610.032e7ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:08:50 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501061254.j06CsCSY003743@net.indra.com> References: <200501061254.j06CsCSY003743@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Info tidbit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO FWIW, today's word from "A Word a Day" web/e-mail list, is "nark". Here is a link to its definition: http://wordsmith.org/words/nark.html So the costume term "snark" appears to have some logical source after all...... Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 01:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07612Dr021234 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 01:01:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j075kc2L011811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j075kW7U064602; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:46:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j075kUGw064550 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j075kMfa015730 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:46:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050107004148.054e50e0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: n2kye@mail.webwarren.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:46:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Frye Boots (WAS: Re: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste) In-Reply-To: <200501070123.j071NG2v028341@net.indra.com> References: <200501070123.j071NG2v028341@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:40:10 -0500, Home Ec wrote: >Oh, those were NOT where I should have gone looking. Now I'm really >really wanting some. I wanted a pair SOOOOooo badly in high school that I saved up money and convinced my mom to let me buy a pair. The problem is, I've always had wide calves and the only pair that could be made to fit (sort of) was a front lace-up style. Between the tight fit over the calves, the unfinished interior, and the leather that never got worked in to the point of softness, those boots were SOoooo uncomfortable that I don't think I wore them a half-dozen times before they got relegated to the back of the closet. Some years later, and in crappy condition from everything being piled on top of them, I gave them to one of my sister's friends who wore that size boot. I've been hesitant about Fryes and "cowboy" boots ever since... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 07:10:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07CApG4011192 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07C9v2L014643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07C9kD1046807; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07C9e27046685 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010712093401400gh77le>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:09:34 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4f4b1$c0955f60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:09:33 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Some Updates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j07CApG4011192 Status: RO Been up way to long working on a surprise for our online Library... been working about 14 hours straight. So I will pass along to the list our website newsletter to let you know about the additions from the past month. Many of the old-timers on the h-costume will feel really old when you finish reading this message. LIBRARY UPDATES: We now have an 1868 addition of the British book, The Corset and the Crinoline, http://www.costumegallery.com/1868/CorsetBook/ . This is considered one of the favorite books among for historic costumers. This book has several chapters. Today we have Chapter 1 online in its entirety. It contains 11 webpages and 5 illustrations. I have listed the contents for Chapter 2, which will hopefully be live in the next couple of days. Please check back frequently for additional chapters. This book is being hand-typed and all the images restored. Over the Christmas holidays we added two new items to the Library. We now have A Year in Fashion: 1847, http://www.costumegallery.com/1847/. It includes a fashion trends article from The Illustrated London News. Also from the same publication, the site include fashion illustrations with descriptions for ladies dresses, mantelets (capes), bonnets & caps, children's fashions, parasols, and a riding habit. There is a total of 16 webpages and 15 fashion illustrations. Also take a peek at the May Lady illustration. She is very lovely! Another big addition to the Library is A Year in Fashion: 1814: Book: Principles of Politeness and of Knowing the World: Men's etiquette book, http://www.costumegallery.com/1814/Chesterfield/ . This was the last works of Lord Chesterfield, an authority on etiquette. The book is completely online and contains 30 webpages. CELEBRATION: Yesterday was the seventh anniversary of The Costume Gallery being a professional website (Jan. 6, 1998). This date is also the fourth anniversary of our Costume Classroom, http://www.costumeclassroom.com . Our online Library, aka, Historic Costume Research, was the foundation of our website. On June 30, 1996, I opened the website as an aid to people researching historic costumes. It was basically a link site then. Today, all of our websites contain a total of over 7,000 webpages and app. 35,000 images. Monthly, we currently receive an average of 500,000 visitors to our websites coming from 144 countries. I remember when I was thrilled to receive 100 visitors in one day. About 30 people worldwide are currently working on our website. We've come a long way Baby! COSTUME CLASSROOM Because of our websites' move, the 2005 schedule for classes is not live on the site yet. We generally take this time to update the entire Classroom site. Semester classes are listed on the schedule. They will begin on Jan. 17th. We have a new instructor, Elizabeth Stewart Clark. She is known all around the U.S. for her traveling sewing school. She will be teaching two classes. The first will be making corsets and will begin Jan. 17. I will announce this weekend when the class is open for registration. I think that is it for now. Time to head to bed! Have a wonderful day! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 08:01:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07D1vur016954 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:01:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07D1C2L017126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07D18l6066648; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07D15n8066623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j07CtITA027760 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:55:18 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:55:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41DE880E.2010309@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:01:02 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Info tidbit References: <200501061254.j06CsCSY003743@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050106220610.032e7ec0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050106220610.032e7ec0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > http://wordsmith.org/words/nark.html > > So the costume term "snark" appears to have some logical source after > all...... It may, but I don't think it's this one. My understanding was that it was from "The Hunting of the Snark" by Lewis Carroll. However, I wouldn't swear by it. But the use of "snark" to mean unwarranted sniping is probably recent enough that it could be tracked down by an amateur linguist interested enough to spend the time. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Are you at peace with your role in the food chain? Would you like a t-shirt with a medieval horseman and hawk on it? A mug which tells you which way to the Egress? http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 08:33:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07DXTku017203 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:33:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07DWl2L018734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07DWedT079701; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07DWccC079627 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF6D3AD500A0; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:32:29 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.109 ([209.131.81.109] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Jan 05 13:32:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c4f4bd$6ecf6b60$6d5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <50723.12.34.14.71.1105039158.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <200501062316.31329.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:33:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Our younger daughter '''was so difficult" in her formative years re clothing/fashion. At about age 11 we gave her a semester clothing allowance which she was allowed to spend as she saw fit. If she blew it all on one item, tough. This excluded underwear and basic footwear. After about three semesters,she was beginning to have some shopping savvy.By the time of her first Prom, she greeted me on Saturday afternoon with "I found my prom gown! The bad news is that it is $400. The good news is that I found the pattern at JoAnn's as well as the fabric and trim" The bad news for me was that I was in the middle of putting out a show to be delivered on Wedensday and her Prom was the Saturday following. The Vogue pattern had 32 pieces!!! She did learn to make gold lame roses... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste > On Thursday 06 January 2005 2:19 pm, aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > Katheryne responded: > > >You mean you have One Of THOSE Mothers??? > > [rest cut] > > Wow. I guess I never appreciated my good fortune in mothers before. > > My mother let me select my own clothes (at the time of purchase, not just > picking outfits to wear every day) since I was about 8 years old. As it > happened, usually she agreed with me. If she didn't, she'd try to talk me > out of the purchase--but she would buy the item if I insisted. > > And when I started trying to make historic costume, she showed me how to use > her sewing machine, and even helped me sew the tricky parts. > > She died of cancer ten years ago, and I still miss her good cheer, and her > common sense. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 10:41:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07Ffrxf018770 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07Ff02L029322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07FepIs050479; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07Fem3D050424 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:40:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979265B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? thread-index: AcT0ujWbvDbcGfIiTxSXvoXad/JgjgAFLo4Q Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She > does business as > Poison Pen Press, and her website is > > http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html > > (shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) I bought a book from her last year at the recommendation of someone on LiveJournal and found her very helpful and friendly and it was a thoroughly smooth transaction. I'd recomend Poison Pen on that basis. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 10:58:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07FwtrT018857 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:58:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07Fvx2L001040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07FvpiR062661; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11703.mail.yahoo.com (web11703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j07FvncD062625 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40106 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2005 15:57:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VAp2OjvkMb6z1h0OcVbDD7zS3PCubcBLOBGcRjIttAFc5jWDliNy39A5fq3zq4tI6Cun3aEJcIJGzmwlwCIHta9Hd7jDwXFeJLfJ0pcrdW7l7fHcGSnfKo4P49bIHz824pqcn0dcnXSgNLTcMapHj7d4LUaMNyJTKxkvkJjqZeE= ; Message-ID: <20050107155748.40104.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:57:48 PST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (was "Re: Your Order, etc.") To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200501062305.54232.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with you both completely. I went w/Amazon because of the price, but I think I'd rather just pay a couple of dollars extra and NOT deal w/them in the future. I would have thought that the folks who'd pre-ordered (July for me) would have gotten first dibs... LOVE Poisen Pen Press. I always look forward to seeing her at Lunacon every year :) Plug #2 as she's great! Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: I don't want Amazon to be my only choice. Good. I agree with that. I always have. Amazon has simply never been effective for me as a costume book source; I went with them for the Anglo-Saxon book because they *were* selling it at such a good price *and* I had an Amazon gift certificate to further cut my actual out-of-pocket expense. IIronically, she's not geographically all that local to me, but she sells at a lot of the science fiction conventions that I attend, and I consider her a friend. She also sells at some SCA events in the mid-Atlantic states. Her name is Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She does business as Poison Pen Press, and her website is http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html (shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 11:29:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07GSxiv019054 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:28:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07GSG2L004040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07GS6vM084464; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07GRwAv084370 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFB43FB2A for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AF39F37CEF; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] colours X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.36.213] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5B3riNAAoA1QEAAAAB,86c22f85d99090b21e9f5bd6c8cb8c3c Message-Id: <20050107162757.AF39F37CEF@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're going with pastel colours, a bit of metallic silver would add an extra touch of richness, perhaps in the bows on the flower sprays. My 2 cents worth. Joannah. --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:53:14 +0100 To: Subject: [h-cost] colours Hi again, Sorry for not responding, but i got a nasty cold here........ Anyway i want to thank you all for your fine advises, you are right, it is as if some colours dies and others lives up on the blue satin. It is very tricky, and i must admit that colour is not my forse in any way. I have ben studying all the photos i have taken at the danish national museum, i just wished they were better, they should have ben taken with my digital camera, but i used the old one back then. There is one jacket /suit/ that i have noticed particularly it is embroidered on a pastel green background, and all the colours in the embroidery also are pastel colours. I have desided for the design in the embroidery. I have stolen some of it from a book, and i have added a little of my own into it. It has berries in it, i want to make some berries with french knots, if they are going to be blackberries or they should be raspberries i dont know yeat, they should be unripe, and therefore not entirely black or blue, but some green added. Finally i also have added a border wich i resently learned to make in satin stitches, it will hold the whole design better i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/bouquetjacket The bow and the border and the balls should be the same colour. I can see that i have to cut out a piece of the fabric for samplers.............. Thanks again for your advises all of you, and happy new year........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 14:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07JDthr024560 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07JD32L021226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07JCfIT014552; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound1.mail.tds.net (outbound1.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j07JCc7i014514 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-250-196.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.250.196]) by outbound1.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id j07JCY89012285 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:12:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c4f4ec$8699c4a0$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200501071304.j07D4hpb068137@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:10:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (poison pen press) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:05:54 -0500 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (was "Re: Your > Order, etc.") > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200501062305.54232.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 1:13 pm, Lauren Walker wrote: > > > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > > If you usually buy from your local > > independent bookseller, too, then good on you. > > Ironically, she's not geographically all that local to me, but she sells at a > lot of the science fiction conventions that I attend, and I consider her a > friend. She also sells at some SCA events in the mid-Atlantic states. Her > name is Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She does business as > Poison Pen Press, and her website is > > http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html > > (shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) > Cathy Raymond I'll add to that. If I'm at an event that she's at, I know I'll be eating pasta for a month afterwards. Over half my costuming and embroidery books come from her. She's fabulous. Bob Dorr--Robert of stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 20:26:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081QZNm026777 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j081Ps2L000570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081Ph2o084160; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081PfUi084135 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m41.in-tch.com [216.166.191.41]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j081N6t04878 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:23:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41DF37BF.9030807@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:30:39 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979265B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979265B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO She's on a couple of my SCA-related lists, and she's always been very nice, as well as knowledgeable. --sue, who's waiting for her books (Woven into the Earth AND the Gale Owen-Crocker book) to come (ordered through Amazon, but then I've never had a problem with any incarnation of Amazon....) Teddy wrote: >>Devra Langsam, and she does do website sales. She >>does business as >>Poison Pen Press, and her website is >> >>http://www.poisonpenpress.com/index.html >> >>(shameless plug for good friend ends here). :-) > > > > I bought a book from her last year at the recommendation of someone on > LiveJournal and found her very helpful and friendly and it was a > thoroughly smooth transaction. I'd recomend Poison Pen on that basis. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 20:48:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081mWKY026854 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j081lt2L003563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081lpb1096773; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081ljSu096693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j082tcgT032119 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:55:40 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? (was "Re: Your Order, etc.") Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:07:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050107155748.40104.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050107155748.40104.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501072107.33239.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 07 January 2005 10:57 am, Chris wrote: > I agree with you both completely. I went w/Amazon because of the price, > but I think I'd rather just pay a couple of dollars extra and NOT deal > w/them in the future. I would have thought that the folks who'd > pre-ordered (July for me) would have gotten first dibs... > > LOVE Poisen Pen Press. I always look forward to seeing her at Lunacon > every year :) Plug #2 as she's great! You go to Lunacon? So do I. We should arrange to meet, somehow!!! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 7 21:00:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0820RSN026907 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j081wV2L004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:58:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081wRLs002552; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j081wOwE002508 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:58:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC431CA2 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:58:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p643.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.218.136]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E371D40C for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:58:22 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Info tidbit Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:58:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <41DE880E.2010309@thibault.org> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had come to understand the SNARK was from Snotty, Nosed, Arrogant, can't remember the last two. I think R = rude. De -----Original Message----- Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > http://wordsmith.org/words/nark.html > > So the costume term "snark" appears to have some logical source after > all...... It may, but I don't think it's this one. My understanding was that it was from "The Hunting of the Snark" by Lewis Carroll. However, I wouldn't swear by it. But the use of "snark" to mean unwarranted sniping is probably recent enough that it could be tracked down by an amateur linguist interested enough to spend the time. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 8 00:43:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j085hhAp028181 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:43:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j085gw2L019177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j085gjqM009416; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j085gfhI009320 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94895 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2005 05:42:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NuasBICcPYZi68Ihji/IS5GtzF6sRBfFS0CYzPYPxN1JBfr2M9zM51SysVV5dgjV47gV5xjaaIvva3dyBoeuMNUUODRphQUP955RTzUSEIzKs01+Cn7hu7aRy7UlQLBKBPy4rnZRDVGlvdhvO6PpoL9nBInFU6bNDa0EIdFS5uQ= ; Message-ID: <20050108054235.94893.qmail@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.243.212.169] by web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:42:35 PST Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:42:35 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501071902.j07J1GJO005863@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Norman Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi All, Does anyone know of a good book/source of information for Norman (as in the French region, not the conquest ;-) ) dress? I know that general French is a good start, but my fiancée would dearly love Norman-specific resources to help his costuming efforts. French-launguage material isn't a problem; mon fiancée est Français ;-) Medieval would be best, but I think he's branching out into other time periods as well, since he's not as into the SCA as he once was. Thanks! Stephanie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 8 02:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j087NZCj002983 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 02:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j087N02L024255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j087MrOE053627; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:22:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j087MmB1053515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j088Udwa009637 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 03:30:40 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Is it worth buying from Amazon? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 02:42:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979265B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <41DF37BF.9030807@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <41DF37BF.9030807@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501080242.33503.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/651/Wed Jan 5 00:41:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 07 January 2005 8:30 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > She's on a couple of my SCA-related lists, and she's always been very > nice, as well as knowledgeable. Thanks for all the kind words about Devra and her business! One more good thing about Devra. She will accept recommendations for new costume books she should try to track down and order and add to her inventory, and if she can obtain them through her network of publishers, she wil. (A number of books on there right now are there because I suggested she order them.) I think I'll go off and suggest she carry "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England." :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 8 13:55:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08ItgGR028263 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j08Isd2L013018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08IsTM7049454; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08IsR19049437 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so66635rne for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QQRFNjzpE9/0xRw3wCmlwW2ClwoAiPlTQW18A1lTGmOLknpGjN+Cffk8rb4FlCtyX1GEzrrza1Ni1rFitjbPl9Wycc0xjt+SwXvOmU7YUY3TOS7b6A2bj+GvmV/qMTYCpOMNag9wccgdmtUtqN3y+XXny4SFYvKuN7j2HTweDSM= Received: by 10.38.68.14 with SMTP id q14mr42776rna; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190501081054384a2a4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:54:26 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501070123.j071NHMu028358@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501070123.j071NHMu028358@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:57 +0000 > From: Jean Waddie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. > > I don't let my mother dictate what I wear, it's just I know she will > comment on it and be tiresome. And she keeps asking when am I going to > get my hair cut. (Not to mention what about grandchildren ;-) ) I > never was much good at fashion, and as I've got older I have gained the > confidence to just be comfortable and not bother. But I only see my > parents two or three times a year, so my mother hasn't got used to it. > My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her > t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the > first ones out of the cupboard. The more I hear about problems with parents like this, the more grateful I am to have the ones I have - I actually care more about fashion than perhaps anyone in my family, and I tend to not always look my most presentable all the time either :P > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? Not really. I DO care about my "mundane" style, but lack of ability/sheer laziness often keeps me in jeans/t-shirts and very basic colors most of the time. I like the current trends for things OTHER than basic black, but frankly they mystify me - I'm cautious about patterns and mixing colors because I'm convinced I don't have the "savoir faire" to carry it off. Ultimately it comes down to prioritizaton - given limted funds, I'll likely choose making something costumey (or even mundane) over shopping in the mall. > > Thanks again for your solidarity. > > Jean Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 8 14:04:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08J4D5n028302 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j08J3h2L013600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08J3dIO053833; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j08IsRKx049440 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so551335rna for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QQRFNjzpE9/0xRw3wCmlwW2ClwoAiPlTQW18A1lTGmOLknpGjN+Cffk8rb4FlCtyX1GEzrrza1Ni1rFitjbPl9Wycc0xjt+SwXvOmU7YUY3TOS7b6A2bj+GvmV/qMTYCpOMNag9wccgdmtUtqN3y+XXny4SFYvKuN7j2HTweDSM= Received: by 10.38.68.14 with SMTP id q14mr42776rna; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190501081054384a2a4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:54:26 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501070123.j071NHMu028358@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501070123.j071NHMu028358@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:57 +0000 > From: Jean Waddie > Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing,historical taste > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Thank you list, I am not alone! Especially on the long hair issue. > > I don't let my mother dictate what I wear, it's just I know she will > comment on it and be tiresome. And she keeps asking when am I going to > get my hair cut. (Not to mention what about grandchildren ;-) ) I > never was much good at fashion, and as I've got older I have gained the > confidence to just be comfortable and not bother. But I only see my > parents two or three times a year, so my mother hasn't got used to it. > My sister lives close to them, and for her things like making sure her > t-shirt co-ordinates with her slacks come naturally. Me, it's just the > first ones out of the cupboard. The more I hear about problems with parents like this, the more grateful I am to have the ones I have - I actually care more about fashion than perhaps anyone in my family, and I tend to not always look my most presentable all the time either :P > > Is it weird to be interested in costume but totally not care about > clothes? Not really. I DO care about my "mundane" style, but lack of ability/sheer laziness often keeps me in jeans/t-shirts and very basic colors most of the time. I like the current trends for things OTHER than basic black, but frankly they mystify me - I'm cautious about patterns and mixing colors because I'm convinced I don't have the "savoir faire" to carry it off. Ultimately it comes down to prioritizaton - given limted funds, I'll likely choose making something costumey (or even mundane) over shopping in the mall. > > Thanks again for your solidarity. > > Jean Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 00:20:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j095KtH6002449 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:20:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j095IF2L021045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j095HGTI037823; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j095H3e1037740 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CnVRi-000471-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:16:58 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050108225918.0259e438@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:00:56 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501081919.j08JJMke061785@net.indra.com> References: <200501081919.j08JJMke061785@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lunacon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We'll be there this year, as we're guests. Pierre and Sandy >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > >On Friday 07 January 2005 10:57 am, Chris wrote: > > LOVE Poisen Pen Press. I always look forward to seeing her at Lunacon > > every year :) Plug #2 as she's great! >You go to Lunacon? So do I. We should arrange to meet, somehow!!! > >Cathy Raymond "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 17:49:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09MnNYr026121 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j09MmT2L005656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:48:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09MmEpW014905; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09Mm8Cu014779 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A9B425D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41E1B499.2080901@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:47:53 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're on the Joann's mailing list you might have seen this month's sale flyer which is advertising 50% off the $1-$5 clearance fabrics next week. Fact is, most of the stores have already received their shipments of dollar fabrics, or put the bolts on the markdown aisles and the selection won't be any better than it is right now. I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff from last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 18:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09NTCeO026761 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j09NSa2L008268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09NSXx7034828; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09NSVFg034801 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j09NSRgU002535 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:28:27 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:34:11 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <41E1B499.2080901@reddawn.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bah, the Joann's where I live doesn't carry linen and silk; they cater pretty much to the quilting and crafting folk. :( Talia >I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other >goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff >from last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. >Dawn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 1/6/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 18:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09Nfcl9026970 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:41:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j09Nf52L008920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09NewY0040810; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09Neukj040769 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C63425D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41E1C108.5040403@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:40:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO khanson wrote: > Bah, the Joann's where I live doesn't carry linen and silk; they cater > pretty much to the quilting and crafting folk. :( > I see you're in the KC area. I was just at the store in Independance. The one in Overland Park carries linen and silk. Haven't tried the one in Shawnee Mission, but that's an upscale neighborhood so they might, too. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 18:57:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09NvpQS027181 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:57:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j09Nv72L009789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09Nux2u048401; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09Nusau048285 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:56:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m101.in-tch.com [216.166.191.101]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j09NsAt01981 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:54:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41E1C5E9.6030906@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:01:45 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Our's doesn't normally, either, (or wool, for that matter, which is a tad weird, considering that I'm in Montana!), but I still made off with a whole bolt of linen yesterday. I had actually gone in there to buy a couple skeins of #3 perle coton and some felt for a workshop, and there was the linen! It's 54" wide, and about 9 yds in length, and used to be $14/yd. I got it for $2/yd. It's one of those vaguely 18th centuryish printed patterns. Colors are predominately medium blue, dark golds & taupe on a light gold background. Dress-weight, rather than bottom-weight (maybe 4 oz?) They had some other linens equally cheap, but embroidered with weird things like little palm trees, or umbrellas. Great for resort wear, I suppose, but nothing I'd use.... --sue khanson wrote: > Bah, the Joann's where I live doesn't carry linen and silk; they cater > pretty much to the quilting and crafting folk. :( > > Talia > > > >>I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other >>goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff > >>from last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. > > >>Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 21:21:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2LjR9027970 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:21:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A2Kx2L019557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2KZ3D020945; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11705.mail.yahoo.com (web11705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0A2KX3o020923 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59469 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 02:20:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MjUUF6Y4mCKuEvYcaFEmmZp0RM7igqjbMDoWF7g2fGR/F403ZaQJLG9l1R8VtHoYhJHjM8PKkHcTrjEcl6nJNq9AoIpDTmBQcKUCfWrfXOGRoMDZqLvmH116MresLdM6YHofzqvlTDHRHPvU0TByFWxTIc6OyV70LH/eaHHZL+8= ; Message-ID: <20050110022032.59467.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.69] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:20:32 PST Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lunacon To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050108225918.0259e438@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes and yes, I always hope to see your work there Pierre and Sandy, you two are just amazingly creative!!! I'd love to Cathy. Just mailed out my pre-reg yesterday so short of things I won't mention :), I'll be arriving Friday evening around 8:00. We'll work out the details... Chris G. Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: We'll be there this year, as we're guests. Pierre and Sandy >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > >On Friday 07 January 2005 10:57 am, Chris wrote: > > LOVE Poisen Pen Press. I always look forward to seeing her at Lunacon > > every year :) Plug #2 as she's great! >You go to Lunacon? So do I. We should arrange to meet, somehow!!! > >Cathy Raymond "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 21:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2Ukts028023 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A2UD2L020771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:30:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2U3Zx027205; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2TTJj026890 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:29:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25372 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:42:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:42:42 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th c. costume symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't know if this has come up on the list yet, so here's the information, as I received it from a friend: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > The Third R.L. Shep Triennial Symposium on Textiles and Dress > Saturday, April 9, 2005, 10:00 a.m.-4:30 p.m. > > Leo S. Bing Theater > Los Angeles County Museum of Art > > Lectures focusing on 17th-century court life, print culture, fashion, and > textiles during the reign of Louis XIV are the subject of this one-day > symposium held in conjunction with the Los Angeles County Museum of Art > exhibition, Images of Fashion from the Court of Louis XIV, on view March > 12-June 26, 2005. Fashion plates and court dress, French decorative arts > and tapestries, miniatures and masquerade, and an in-depth look at the > reconstruction of LACMA's 17th -century mantua will be among the topics > discussed. > > The gathering of esteemed speakers include a keynote address by Aileen > Ribeiro, Professor, Courtauld Institute of Art, and lectures by Charissa > Bremer-David, Associate Curator, Sculpture & Decorative Arts, The J. Paul > Getty Museum, Kimberly Chrisman-Campbell, The Andrew W. Mellon Curatorial > Fellow in French Art, The Huntington Library, Art Collections, and > Botanical Gardens, Nicole LaBouff, Curatorial Assistant, Costume and > Textiles, LACMA, Catherine McLean, Conservator and Head of Textile > Conservation, LACMA, Susan Schmalz, Associate Conservator, Textile > Conservation, LACMA, and Mary Schoeser, Senior Research Fellow, University > of the Arts, London. > > The R.L. Shep Triennial Symposia are supported by the R.L. Shep Symposium > Endowment for Costume and Textiles. > > Admission is free, but reservations are required. > For program information, e-mail: shepsymposium@lacma.org > or call (323) 857-6081. > For reservations, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: Ticket Sales, > Los Angeles County Museum of Art, 5905 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA > 90036, or e-mail scardenas@lacma.org. Indicate the name and date of the > program, the number of tickets needed, and your name and mailing address. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 21:45:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2jd3X028097 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:45:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A2j42L021714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A2iwqp035205; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0A2iu6n035126 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:44:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60137 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 02:44:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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If you go on stage during the masquerade, mine are the hands that will guide you. The invisible person with the glowing hands. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 22:31:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A3Vldk028287 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:31:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A3Uq2L024926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:30:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A3UjX3059156; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0A3Uhjx059130 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17028 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 03:30:42 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Ann Catelli wrote: I'll be at Lunacon, too. If you go on stage during the masquerade, mine are the hands that will guide you. The invisible person with the glowing hands. Ann in CT --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 9 23:46:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A4kA0c028600 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:46:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A4ij2L029683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:44:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A4icfx097062; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A4iY83096981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0A5qclo001480 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:52:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lunacon Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:04:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050110024449.60135.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050110024449.60135.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501100004.34426.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 09 January 2005 9:44 pm, Ann Catelli wrote: > I'll be at Lunacon, too. > > If you go on stage during the masquerade, mine are the > hands that will guide you. > The invisible person with the glowing hands. I have never done a Masquerade. I have no interest in coming up with a suitable Masquerade shtick, and the single person costumes I prefer to do seem silly and ineffectual without shtick in a Masquerade context. Still, it would be nice to meet you! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 01:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6IvhJ029597 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:18:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A6Hw2L005210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6HetH043762; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6Fxg4042907 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C64831CEE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:15:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p629.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.213.122]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D70AAD467 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:15:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:16:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <41E1C5E9.6030906@in-tch.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bought for $2 a yard, 100% wool light weight. 6 yds. If they come down in price I am going back for more of the 100% linen. :) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 01:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6OBd1029689 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A6Na2L005648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6NXH8046671; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6GwnT043409 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.147.154.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.147.154]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CnsrI-00029x-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:16:57 -0800 Message-ID: <41E21DBB.1030008@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:16:27 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > Well, i'm 55 and my mother *still* thinks i dress the way i do just to > annoy her. I haven't lived with my parents since i was 15, and moved > far away when i was 18. > > SNIP > However, since the world revolves around my mother, naturally anything > i do she disapproves of, i must be doing because of her. I guess she > thinks when i'm away from her i have short hair, and wear lots of > makeup and navy blue pantsuits. > > Anahita > > (i'm not attacking short hair or navy blue pantsuits if they are > someone's own choice, they're just not mine - and i do wear makeup, > especially when i'm going to a Goth club to dance) > Trust me you are not alone. My Father also thinks that everything thing I do is just to annoy him. When I first got my ear pierced at 28 he gave me grief for weeks. That is until my older sister, my Mom and Grandmother all told me the same thing, "Stephen I've got a couple of single earrings that are too good to throw out, do you want them?" I heard all through my thirties that "Men don't dye their hair!" and as I told him last I checked I was male so that wasn't true. I think the most memorable moment was at the Family Picnic back in Pennsylvania when I came down the stairs wearing my black jeans, red silk shirt, with bright red hair and a blond pony tail with red beads braided into it. And Father wanted to know what the family was going to think? I just looked at him and snapped back that they are going to think I 'm from California! Later the same trip we were going to church, Grandma want me to go and she was fine with my wardrobe, I had on my green and purple stripped shirt (It's not as bad as it sounds) with my bone and bead chocker. Father said I should wear a tie, I said sure I've got my Jerry Garcia dancing skeletons tie. I wore the choker. I know where you are coming from, my Father accused me of making my decisions solely based on whatever would annoy him the most. I looked him in the eye and told him that my decisions are based on what is best for my family, if it annoys him that was just frosting. Stephen - 43 and still waiting for his Father to treat him like an adult. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 01:30:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6Uh6x029796 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A6UB2L006227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A6U8HV050270; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:30:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0A6U6wh050241 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-17764); Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:25:19 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:25:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050109222332.00d6d5d0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:30:08 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Storms in Europe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To all of our members in Europe, I hope you have weathered (sorry for the bad pun) the severe storm with no (or little) damage and no injuries. From the news reports I have read, it sounds like it's been a real mess for many of you, especially in the Isles and Scandinavia. From stormy California, Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 04:59:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A9xtne015872 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:59:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0A9x82L017065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A9wiU9051314; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0A9wf1S051232 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f49.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.73]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5179C5EE041 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:58:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c4f6fa$f79c2980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050109222332.00d6d5d0@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:58:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/655/Fri Jan 7 06:54:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Joan, Here in Copenhagen all is well. It was a nasty storm, and i was on my work. Lucky that the storm got worse when i was going home again. So i was indoors when the storm culminated. My job mates who works in the evening hours had to call most of the clients and say they could not come out and help, because of the weather. I work in the nursing buisiness. We take care of old people who lives in their own homes. 4 men was killed in the storm in Denmark. Mostly damages in the woods and some roofs wich blew away. In Jutland, they had floods. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] Storms in Europe > To all of our members in Europe, I hope you have weathered (sorry for the > bad pun) the severe storm with no (or little) damage and no injuries. > From the news reports I have read, it sounds like it's been a real mess > for many of you, especially in the Isles and Scandinavia. > From stormy California, > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 09:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AE4S50028761 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:04:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AE3h2L010248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AE3L3X060295; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0AE003D058522 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail31.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.171]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8FCT2ARSE9RJ for (sender ); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn73HpsoqU9IKZoJp4INI8rdkMEJCYF5+rbw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail31.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KGY5S5DK; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:59:17 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail31.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:58:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:58:44 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:664362891 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad to hear that you are surviving the weather! Here in Chicago we are expecting some pretty serious storms later tonight and tomorrow and the West Coast (California) has already been hit pretty hard. Are various list members riding out the winter weather alright? Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 09:21:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AELe05028862 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AEL22L011347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEKx80068495; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEKuTH068430 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005011014204701300suan2e>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:20:51 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.116; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:20:46 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:20:46 +0000 Message-Id: <011020051420.23534.41E28F3E000DD97B00005BEE22007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Alas, Stephen, I'm afraid (IMOE) it won't happen until he has an epiphany. > Stephen - 43 and still waiting for his Father to treat him like an adult. Elena Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 09:30:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEUt3Y028909 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:30:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AEUN2L011873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEUKm7073155; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEUHb7072746 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0AETq226281.; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:29:52 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:29:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:29:35 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We're OK here in the midlands of England; my garden fence has been damaged and the front of the house is littered with birch twigs blown off the trees, but that's all. They've had it worse in the north, with several people dead or missing. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 09:37:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEb4TT028923 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AEZB2L012279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEZ9ph075749; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEYumB075592 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m172.in-tch.com [216.166.191.172]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0AEWEt17053 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:32:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41E293B6.5050805@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:39:50 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern clothing, historical taste References: <41E21DBB.1030008@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41E21DBB.1030008@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LMAO! I had some bad problems with my folks when they were alive (and they haven't exactly stopped nagging me now that they're dead, either), but wardrobe never really came up, except when I was a teenager, and heavily into Hash jeans that were so long, you walked on them--the 70s version of those low-slung ones you see today. The nastier the hems of the jeans got, the better. My folks actually sat on me one morning when I was headed out the door to catch the school bus, and cut off all the nasty fringe on the bottom of my pants! I remember being Oh So Humiliated!, but that was more teenage exaggeration than anything. --sue Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > I know where you are coming from, my Father accused me of making my > decisions solely based on whatever would annoy him the most. I looked > him in the eye and told him that my decisions are based on what is best > for my family, if it annoys him that was just frosting. > > Stephen - 43 and still waiting for his Father to treat him like an adult. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 09:47:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEl9G6028957 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:47:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AEjK2L012977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:45:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEjHbk081290; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AEjDDW081212 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m172.in-tch.com [216.166.191.172]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0AEgVt20499 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:42:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41E2961F.6050203@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:50:07 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe References: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So far, some Severe Stuph has been coming through my home state (Montana, in the NW US), but actually kinda scooted around my town and dumped on the counties north of us. Other than that, it's just normally nasty winter weather here. Which is good, 'cuz we need the moisture, yadada, yadada.... --sue seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Glad to hear that you are surviving the weather! Here in Chicago we > are expecting some pretty serious storms later tonight and tomorrow > and the West Coast (California) has already been hit pretty hard. Are > various list members riding out the winter weather alright? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 10:08:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AF89MI029043 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:08:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AF3u2L014173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:03:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AF3mVc092582; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:03:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AF3jbK092495 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9485298007C; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:36 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Jan 05 15:03:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c4f725$a9b860a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:04:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After rain for two days I have a slightly wet basement, of which I can't complain. However many of the towns around here (Washington County, Pa.) have been walloped again with streams and brook overflows. These folk suffered severe flooding in the September storms, from which they are still trying to get their houses 'back'. Many had just gotten new furnaces and appliances. It is a terrible situation. All along the upper Ohio river there are towns under several feet of water. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe > > Glad to hear that you are surviving the weather! Here in Chicago we are expecting some pretty serious storms later tonight and tomorrow and the West Coast (California) has already been hit pretty hard. Are various list members riding out the winter weather alright? > > > Karen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 11:10:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AGA7QX029389 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:10:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AG922L020687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AG8kRU037596; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AG0oAS031072 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:00:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos. To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792678@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos. thread-index: AcT3Icfc17IHI/mzQlCIHOry3ZpKdAAClaxQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello listfolks This is a fairly urgent call for help: I need photos (links to, or emailed direct to me if not on the web) of large women in well-fitted gothic gowns. By Friday. A friend is getting married at the start of February She hasn't decided on the style of her dress yet (she's just been uprooted and moved her entire life across an ocean) She likes the look of gothic gowns and sideless surcotes. It's also a style she could get use from after the wedding. She has doubts, however, about how flattering such a fitted gown will look on someone her size. So if any of you have photos of larger women wearing such gowns that I could show her before we start some Fast and Furious Frockage this weekend, I'd be very grateful. The fabrics are coming from my stash to save her from having the stress of shopping (I know I have most of the colours and types of fabric she's interested in). Cutting and fitting is my responsibility and a friend (who fortunately happens to be visiting me from the other end of the country this weekend anyway) is doing the making-up/sewing. Thanks in advance!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 11:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AGDVK0029405 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AGBr2L021017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:11:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AGBpB3040058; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0AG2XJU032550 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49949 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 16:02:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mKGx+IFcraUaPYlZAkIccDcW6dnSmiFbiwK8CyrbqtdMfPPsWSg2XJa8xZPnAPAsXocxABt6NHlw12nC4eQ4L8HrdMgB4niLcIPaffTJwA2PdwVDsJaameQA/qJMByciaj3ZVAUYdPqcQ+EHSOK6HNv2XMdO83cp647bylhWCOM= ; Message-ID: <20050110160225.49947.qmail@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:02:25 PST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501101432.j0AEVNRx073848@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sound like everyone else in the world has been getting the bad weather that we deserve. Here in Charlotte, North Carolina it has been just like spring here in the mid -south for 2 weeks. Just like spring, weather in the 60s and 70s, only a little rain. Now this this not supposed to hold, and we could get some winter, at the end of the week. Which only means that all the SUV drivers will be spinning their wheels in the ice storm that we are due to have. Everone stay safe. Mia Dappert in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 12:16:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AHGoma030377 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AHEA2L028284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AHDtJU091445; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AHAeIt088612 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f49.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.73]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 031745EE064 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:10:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c4f737$551ecb80$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:10:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] masqued ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I am so thrilled because my niece will be comming with me to the masqued ball. I have all days in this week free, except saturday and sunday, but then i also have 14 days hollidays. So it is nearly 3 weeks free. My niece insisted to come with me to the masqued ball, and i must quicly make a dress for her. So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. I have prepared and makes her a pair of stays from Corsets & Crinolines, the 1780ies corset. I have no idea how the dress will end up, but so far i have the foundation to take care of.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 17:26:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AMQoN8003107 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:26:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AMPu2L004269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:25:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AMPgwF055205; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AMJVCI050001 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:19:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Co7sd-0004zK-8S for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:19:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:19:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe References: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> <000901c4f725$a9b860a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000901c4f725$a9b860a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We've really been remarkably lucky in Edinburgh - so far, touch wood - they seem to be saying the worst is to come tomorrow night and then it will calm down. The worst has been in north-west England, but the TV is showing flooding in place all over Scotland, and some places where people only just got back into their houses from floods last year. Living in a 2nd floor flat, half-way up a hill, is very comforting! We had one lot of scaffolding blown down in town, but Edinburgh is a windy place anyway, so things are generally well fixed - or they come loose at an earlier stage and get sorted then. Jean >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 18:07:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AN7jbp003361 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:07:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0AN722L008382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AN6tYQ089718; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AN6qv4089633 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.5b.60cecb55 (3874) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.60cecb55.2f14647f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:06:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/10/2005 5:33:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I have no idea how the dress will end up, but so far i have the foundation to take care of.............. Knowing you, it will be magnificent! Lucky girl! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 19:20:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B0KjSj003623 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:20:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B0Ju2L016242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B0Jndd044585; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0B0Jghp044496 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 6549 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 01:51:56 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.147.145.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.147.145) by shada.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 01:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <41E3176D.4030509@oldwaylane.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:01:49 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos. References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792678@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792678@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > Hello listfolks > > This is a fairly urgent call for help: > > I need photos (links to, or emailed direct to me if not on the web) of > large women in well-fitted gothic gowns. By Friday. > Teddy, I don't have my GFD finished, but I have some pics taken of me in the fitting mockup that Robin made on me, if they will do. It doesn't go below hip level though. They're in Robin's shocking pink linen! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 19:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B0qSDT003809 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:52:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B0pk2L018946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B0pfPu064682; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B0pbuG064590 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200501110051320110033k8de>; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:51:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f777$b476a5e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050110160225.49947.qmail@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:weather Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:51:37 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mia, I think with all bad weather we had... the hurricanes and tropical storms during the summer and autumn for the past two years AND the past four bad snowy and icy winters... we deserve to soak up these past few weeks of 60/70 degrees weather. Its been like the nice autumn that we generally have except we don't have colorful leaves on the trees. Our last two autumns were littered by fallen trees and soggy yards. I was driving through a wooded area today where about 75 trees still down from Hurricane Isabel two years ago. The past few weeks I have had my windows during our 60+ degree days. Sunday, the cold weather comes back. The warm days were nice while it lasted. In Central Virginia, it seems like we receive a warm winter about every five years or so. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 20:38:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1cfbr003999 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:38:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B1bH2L022556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:37:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1b5gR092233; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0B1b2I7092170 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 16844 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2005 01:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20050111013656.16842.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.143.126] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:36:56 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:36:56 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001501c4f777$b476a5e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] your local winter weather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: Mia, I think with all bad weather we had... the hurricanes and tropical storms during the summer and autumn for the past two years AND the past four bad snowy and icy winters... we deserve to soak up these past few weeks of 60/70 degrees weather. Its been like the nice autumn that we generally have except we don't have colorful leaves on the trees. SNIPPAGE Dear Penny, count yourselves lucky in Virginia this winter, then, - our Island of Jersey seems to have spent most of this winter under a depressing blanket of low cloud and/or drizzle. What has made that particulalrly frustrating and depressing has been that - from where we live high up on the North coast above Bonne Nuit bay, we could look across to the Cherbourg Peninsula basking in bright sunshine only 15 miles away, much of the time. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 20:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1iPIX004011 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:44:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B1hh2L023177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:43:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1hewG096114; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1hcTo096095 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0B1hYJm029039 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:43:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c4f77e$eeade410$1902a8c0@duncan> From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> <1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings! Some time ago, I remember seeing a travel log type of program on television about Hampton Court. In it, the presenter said that one could spend the night in an apartment (?) on the grounds (if I remember correctly) and that the cost was 40 pounds per person. Does anyone know anything about it? And, does anyone happen to know the name of the town that Hampton Court is in? Thanks so much! kate Looking forward to London in the autumn! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 20:51:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1pToN004048 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B1os2L023863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B1oomf000928; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.234]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0B1kHg1097681 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Message-ID: <20050111014612.95909.qmail@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.225.128.59] by web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:46:12 EST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Carroll-Clark Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41E3176D.4030509@oldwaylane.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- --- Judy Mitchell wrote: > Teddy wrote: > > Hello listfolks > > > > This is a fairly urgent call for help: > > > > I need photos (links to, or emailed direct to me > if not on the web) of > > large women in well-fitted gothic gowns. By > Friday. I believe I have a couple of them. If I can find all my pics, you can actually see me improving on the same woman :-) I'll check when I'm back home on Weds. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 21:01:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B21abm004123 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B20x2L024770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B20tVR006843; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B20oug006758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mycomputer (penax2-125.dialup.optusnet.com.au [203.164.19.125]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0B20iqI019543 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:00:46 +1100 Message-ID: <01f901c4f781$62776450$0100a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01><1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> <001d01c4f77e$eeade410$1902a8c0@duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:00:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hampton Court is in South-West London. Right across the Thames from Hampton Court Railway Station, which is a great way to get there. Took us around an hour each way from a few stations south of the Tower. It's not that far from Wimbledon and Heathrow. Have a great time! Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- > Greetings! > > Some time ago, I remember seeing a travel log type of program on > television about Hampton Court. In it, the presenter said that one > could spend the night in an apartment (?) on the grounds (if I > remember correctly) and that the cost was 40 pounds per person. Does > anyone know anything about it? And, does anyone happen to know the > name of the town that Hampton Court is in? > > Thanks so much! > > kate > Looking forward to London in the autumn! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 21:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B2g2iV004340 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B2f62L027269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B2ex2d028428; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B2ewtu028339 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050111024053016002d8h9e>; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:40:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c4f786$fabbb360$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050111013656.16842.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] your local winter weather Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:40:57 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian, I really feel for you! Lasso that sun and bring that sun closer to you. A few years ago, we once had back to back tropical storms sit over our house for two weeks. We could drive five or so miles west, just down the road and it was bright sunshine. To make matters worse, all that rain brought really bad mold on the outside of our house... we spent the next summer scrubbing it off. I can say this... all these tropical storms busted our drought! Trying to think of the positive side, since we are still finding files missing from moving my websites' servers from hurricane alley. I learned a really important lesson... when choosing a place to host your website, always ask if they are located in hurricane or tornado alley, or an earthquake zone. When interviewing companies to host my site, that was my first question. Asking if they are in a flood plain or fire zone to would be a good question, too. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 22:50:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B3om0e005132 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:50:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B3nv2L002466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:49:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B3noVw066014; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B3nCFq065648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:49:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0B4vCdm002460 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:57:19 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:09:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4.2.2.20050109222332.00d6d5d0@pop.surewest.net> <000a01c4f6fa$f79c2980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f6fa$f79c2980$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501102309.08891.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 10 January 2005 4:58 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Joan, > Here in Copenhagen all is well. It was a nasty storm, and i was on my work. > Lucky that the storm got worse when i was going home again. So i was > indoors when the storm culminated. My job mates who works in the evening > hours had to call most of the clients and say they could not come out and > help, because of the weather. I work in the nursing buisiness. We take care > of old people who lives in their own homes. > 4 men was killed in the storm in Denmark. Mostly damages in the woods and > some roofs wich blew away. > In Jutland, they had floods. It sounds like a nasty one. We had a storm like that here in SE Pennsylvania, in the USA last fall. I'm glad that you weathered the storm okay! Take care. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 23:04:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B445Kf005386 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:04:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B43S2L003263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:03:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B43PsD073639; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B43NIH073614 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA400FBXWLH9X@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.80] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.174.161]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:17 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball To: Historical Costume Message-id: <286a3e28c866.28c866286a3e@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Is there any way I can beg the scraps of this wonderful dupioni??? I am in the midst of the final parts of the Elizabethan that drives authenticity-nuts CRAZY!! It is perfectly done, the corset is correct, the pattern is correct, I cartridge pleated the skirt, everything is correct -- EXCEPT the fabric -- 3" squares of random various fabrics..... (from leather to lace to silk to double knit polyester to fabric made out of fiberglass (circa 1950's) to linen. Katheryne who is having WAY tooo much fun on this dress. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews . So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. > She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 10 23:20:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B4KdAm005654 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B4Jv2L004476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B4Jspa082496; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav11.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B4J5mM082064 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:18:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 04:19:00.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD1D8530:01C4F794] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Are various list members riding out the winter weather alright? Ehehe... It's been pretty mild and quiet in Montreal... unusually quiet... We had rain a couple of times during the last few weeks, and that's really, really annoying because it leaves a layer of slippery ice all over the sidewalks, but aside from that... nothing. It's not even been cold yet. I'm just hoping the weather will get below -5 and STAY THERE for the rest of the winter, like it's supposed to, so we can keep the beautiful snow... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 03:07:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B87H1H028597 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B86H2L016912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B864GK005357; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B85vUf005293 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be3b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.59]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 10E01262854 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:05:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c4f7b4$6a58b970$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <286a3e28c866.28c866286a3e@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:06:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Katheryne, If you send me your snail mail address, i would send the scratches for you. What fun projeckt you are making here, you must promise us to show it once you have finished it. Now i must go and shop for some muslin for the corset and mock up, ahh......... did i spell it right, mock up or muck up, never remember how the right words are. My sisters greenhouse was smashed in the storm by the way, and she had some trees in the garden who fell. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball > Bjarne, > > Is there any way I can beg the scraps of this wonderful dupioni??? > > I am in the midst of the final parts of the Elizabethan that drives > authenticity-nuts CRAZY!! > > It is perfectly done, the corset is correct, the pattern is correct, I > cartridge pleated the skirt, everything is correct -- > > EXCEPT the fabric -- 3" squares of random various fabrics..... > (from leather to lace to silk to double knit polyester to fabric made out > of fiberglass (circa 1950's) to linen. > > Katheryne > who is having WAY tooo much fun on this dress. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > . So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. >> She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. >> >> Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 03:14:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B8ECMU031538 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:14:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0B8Dc2L017145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:13:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B8DXjn009396; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0B8DSBM009334 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be3b.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.59]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C7B5947FE7E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:13:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c4f7b5$7c3adc30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01><1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> <001d01c4f77e$eeade410$1902a8c0@duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:13:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am green of envy you are going there, the galleries of paintings with portraits are to die for. Every time i go and see such a place, i have to go quickly trough everything, because i know it bores Leif so much. I could easy spend a whole day there.............I recall a long gallery with young beauties from 1670ies, i dont know if it was the kings mistresses or something, beautifull they were. I also got goose skin when i stood in the tudor hall, it was very strange........... Dont miss the labyrinth in the garden... I think to remember that the town is called Hampton Court. You can look over to the castle from the railway station. Oh and the museum shop has got one of the largest collections of early music i have regretted a lot of times, that i did not buy some of those.... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "ailith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) > Greetings! > > Some time ago, I remember seeing a travel log type of program on > television about Hampton Court. In it, the presenter said that one > could spend the night in an apartment (?) on the grounds (if I > remember correctly) and that the cost was 40 pounds per person. Does > anyone know anything about it? And, does anyone happen to know the > name of the town that Hampton Court is in? > > Thanks so much! > > kate > Looking forward to London in the autumn! > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 06:25:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBP2jx013553 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:25:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BBOC2L008966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBNviH005212; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.fuse.net (mail-out2.fuse.net [216.68.8.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBNsnu005152 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([69.61.186.201]) by smtp2.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050111112159.BNRE5979.smtp2.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:59 -0500 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([69.61.186.201]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050111112225.TKQS13012.gx4.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:22:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20050111060748.00b0b100@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:08:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert In-Reply-To: <41E1B499.2080901@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-BF145E2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How does your Jo-Ann's rate linen and silk? Mine seems to specialize in poly blends. Jennifer At 04:47 PM 1/9/05 -0600, you wrote: >If you're on the Joann's mailing list you might have seen this month's >sale flyer which is advertising 50% off the $1-$5 clearance fabrics next week. > >Fact is, most of the stores have already received their shipments of >dollar fabrics, or put the bolts on the markdown aisles and the selection >won't be any better than it is right now. > >I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other >goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff from >last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. > > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 06:35:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBZOY9015732 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BBYa2L009597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:34:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBYXs5010397; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp2.suscom.net [64.78.83.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BBUtsU008571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp2.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445851CDD58 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 11504-01 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C466D1CDD1F for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:21:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ab401c4f7d0$f0d67020$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050110.055917.5547.70890@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:30:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Storms in Europe >> Are various list members riding out the winter weather alright? > > Ehehe... It's been pretty mild and quiet in Montreal... unusually quiet... It's been similar here in south-central PA--plenty of rain. but very warm, and no snow yet. The temperature is supposed to go to about 60F Wednesday, and then drop drastically by the end of the week, back to what is normal! I know I will gripe when it does snow, because the schools will be closed, but this is just abnormal and it makes me twitchy. My Michigan born and bred soul needs snow and cold this time of year! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 07:06:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC6cwS028417 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BC1I2L010686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:01:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC1BeM023279; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC1416023235 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:00:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792698@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos thread-index: AcT30VicdzgYjCVQT5WQeHxpvAI3AwAA7kng Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I don't have my GFD finished, but I have some pics taken of me in > the fitting mockup that Robin made on me, if they will do. It > doesn't go below hip level though. They're in Robin's shocking pink linen! Judy, that would be a great help - thanks! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 07:06:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC6cex028428 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BC3e2L010858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC3ejp024628; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BC3blT024598 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:03:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:03:34 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792699@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: Re: [h-cost] URGENT!!! Gothic fitted gowns - plea for photos thread-index: AcT30VicdzgYjCVQT5WQeHxpvAI3AwABBbLg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > I need photos (links to, or emailed direct to me if not on the web) of > > > large women in well-fitted gothic gowns. By Friday. > > I believe I have a couple of them. If I can find all > my pics, you can actually see me improving on the same > woman :-) > > I'll check when I'm back home on Weds. Many thanks, Susan! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 08:36:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDarVl006635 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BDa82L016783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:36:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDZwcA069034; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDXoeT068097 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0BDXh228270.; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:44 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:43 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:09 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've never been to Hampton Court, but they have a website at http://www.hrp.org.uk/webcode/hampton_home.asp Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 08:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDsrnq006724 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:54:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BDs52L017752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDrxi4077522; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BDrs3x077430 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m9.in-tch.com [216.166.191.9]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0BDpAt26221 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:51:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41E3DB96.4090403@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:58:46 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball References: <286a3e28c866.28c866286a3e@optonline.net> <000501c4f7b4$6a58b970$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c4f7b4$6a58b970$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/659/Sun Jan 9 21:21:09 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You're looking for "mockup," with the "o." "Muck up" is a verb, and describes, in casual fashion, well, not doing a good job. If you muck up something, you've made mistakes. Usually really big ones. ;-) Sorry to hear about your sister's greenhouse! --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Katheryne, > > If you send me your snail mail address, i would send the scratches for you. > What fun projeckt you are making here, you must promise us to show it > once you have finished it. > Now i must go and shop for some muslin for the corset and mock up, > ahh......... did i spell it right, mock up or muck up, never remember > how the right words are. > My sisters greenhouse was smashed in the storm by the way, and she had > some trees in the garden who fell. > > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:03 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball > > >> Bjarne, >> >> Is there any way I can beg the scraps of this wonderful dupioni??? >> >> I am in the midst of the final parts of the Elizabethan that drives >> authenticity-nuts CRAZY!! >> >> It is perfectly done, the corset is correct, the pattern is correct, I >> cartridge pleated the skirt, everything is correct -- >> >> EXCEPT the fabric -- 3" squares of random various fabrics..... >> (from leather to lace to silk to double knit polyester to fabric made >> out of fiberglass (circa 1950's) to linen. >> >> Katheryne >> who is having WAY tooo much fun on this dress. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bjarne og Leif Drews >> . So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. >> >>> She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. >>> >>> Bjarne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 11:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGaxk8009890 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BGa02L001062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGZoBk086137; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGZ6m8085602 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0BGZ5a5016708 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050111112831.01f90dd8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:35:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <20050111013656.16842.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <001501c4f777$b476a5e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] your local winter weather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah Julian... sounds like you've been hit with a bit of weather just like that up here in Ithaca, NY. We call that Ithacating... and it usually means the entire country side is grey, damp and cold - with or without mud. And everything is in shades of grey from sky to pavement, to ground, from November to March. And people wonder why the SO and I painted the house screaming electric blue. And that greyness is exactly the reason that I sew and knit all winter. The colors of the clothing, the fabrics in their silk sheen and satin colors, or the rich wools in colors any color - other then grey, are one of the ways I preserve my sanity. So : costume content... on my second reading through "Woven into the Earth" I'm finding myself at times thinking... wow - that's a reach - I wonder just how applicable that is? Any other thoughts? Bridgette >Dear Penny, >count yourselves lucky in Virginia this winter, then, - our Island of >Jersey seems to have spent most of this winter under a depressing blanket >of low cloud and/or drizzle. What has made that particulalrly frustrating >and depressing has been that - from where we live high up on the North >coast above Bonne Nuit bay, we could look across to the Cherbourg >Peninsula basking in bright sunshine only 15 miles away, much of the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 11:44:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGiO8k010035 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:44:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BGhh2L001644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:43:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGheqn092479; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGhbBJ092428 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.131.2.123.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([4.131.2.123] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CoP7I-0003D9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: <41E4000A.C7B44DA@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:34:18 -0600 From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert References: <4.3.2.7.2.20050111060748.00b0b100@pop.fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Still have a good search. I can't remember seeing silk in mine either but they had several bolt ends that were 100% silk. (Scored some lovely purple). I think that they send a section to all the stores -- a little of everything. But you are right in that most of the stuff was poly or poly-blends (of course I could see why many were on clearence ... ick). Onaree "J.E. Marshall" wrote: > > How does your Jo-Ann's rate linen and silk? Mine seems to specialize in > poly blends. > > Jennifer > > At 04:47 PM 1/9/05 -0600, you wrote: > > >If you're on the Joann's mailing list you might have seen this month's > >sale flyer which is advertising 50% off the $1-$5 clearance fabrics next week. > > > >Fact is, most of the stores have already received their shipments of > >dollar fabrics, or put the bolts on the markdown aisles and the selection > >won't be any better than it is right now. > > > >I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other > >goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff from > >last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. > > > > > > > >Dawn > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 11:56:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGura1010263 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BGuF2L003151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGuBDf003183; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BGu8tw003039 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2219800 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:56:00 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:55:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050111060748.00b0b100@pop.fuse.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My JoAnn's (Emeryville, Calif.) just started getting dupioni about six months ago. 8-9 colors and some beaded stuff. I never thought I'd think that dupioni looked trashy but JoAnn's managed it with the beaded stuff. The silk is about $12/yd, which is more than I usually have to pay, so I only bought some with my 40% coupon when I needed 8 yards. With the coupon it was a good deal. I also found some embroidered black linen in the $3/yard section on Saturday. Only about 4 yards, but enough for my modern needs. They had lots of linens and linen blends and prints, all in pastels for $2-3. I can't wear pastels. Sigh. I suggest you check their linen look area periodically; you may find some linen hiding amongst the linen looks and blends. LynnD On 1/11/05 3:08 AM, "J.E. Marshall" wrote: > How does your Jo-Ann's rate linen and silk? Mine seems to specialize in > poly blends. > > Jennifer > > At 04:47 PM 1/9/05 -0600, you wrote: > >> If you're on the Joann's mailing list you might have seen this month's >> sale flyer which is advertising 50% off the $1-$5 clearance fabrics next >> week. >> >> Fact is, most of the stores have already received their shipments of >> dollar fabrics, or put the bolts on the markdown aisles and the selection >> won't be any better than it is right now. >> >> I just got home with bolt-ends of 100% linen and silk noil, among other >> goodies, for $2 to $3 a yard. A lot of that lovely embroidered stuff from >> last summer is on clearance now too. Get it while it lasts. >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > > what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 12:12:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHCdCt010585 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BHBx2L004818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:11:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHBWLM016594; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHBKMh016424 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA50072ZX1XET@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.85]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:45 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My Jo-Anns specializes in fleece and 'crafty' fabric.. Have to really look for the good stuff.... Katheryne who would love to find a use for olive green raw silk - in the medieval period.... hhmmm dye it perhaps?? Jo-Anns had 3!! bolts full at $3 / yd ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.E. Marshall" > How does your Jo-Ann's rate linen and silk? Mine seems to specialize in > poly blends. > Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 12:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHfH4A011151 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:41:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BHeL2L008619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHe7oC026604; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:40:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0BHe1JQ026217 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8125 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2005 17:39:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20050111173954.8123.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.141.172] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:39:54 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:39:54 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050111112831.01f90dd8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO M Stewart wrote: Ah Julian... sounds like you've been hit with a bit of weather just like that up here in Ithaca, NY. We call that Ithacating... and it usually means the entire country side is grey, damp and cold - with or without mud. And everything is in shades of grey from sky to pavement, to ground, from November to March. And people wonder why the SO and I painted the house screaming electric blue. And that greyness is exactly the reason that I sew and knit all winter. The colors of the clothing, the fabrics in their silk sheen and satin colors, or the rich wools in colors any color - other then grey, are one of the ways I preserve my sanity. So : costume content... on my second reading through "Woven into the Earth" I'm finding myself at times thinking... wow - that's a reach - I wonder just how applicable that is? Any other thoughts? REPLY Well, our Island's weather today has been just as depressing, - l owering greyish-black clouds, and light drizzle gradually turning into medium-heavy rain during the afternoon. So little light that it was effectively twilight by about 1530 hrs GMT. And I have SAD. too! So by all means let's get back to costumes! You asked for any other thoughts. 1] For our Companie's coming Performance Season, along with my on-going project to redact, full-size, all of the 200 or so escutcheons of Jersey's pre-1509 Armory, - I have decided to re-create the historical persona of King Richard III's Falcon Herald Extraordinary, whose planned Visitation to the Anglo-Norman Isles did not take place due to the Battle of Bosworth, and the subsequent closure of the newly-founded College of Arms. So, I would welcome some assistance from Listers; - to whit, - directions to images of 15th Century tabarded Heralds if any on this List either have any, or know where they are to be found. Because I do not wish to pay the current College's Officer In Waiting the exorbitant fee demanded for simply considering my query. 2] - Why is it that so few SCAdians who have created gentle or "noble" characters for themselves - display their House Colours when otherwise wearing non-Heraldic garb? I have been avidly studying the photo galleries of all the Kingdoms for over 2 years now, and I reckon I would be able to count on my fingers the numbers of waist-sashes, and upper-left-arm ribbons in House Colours that I've seen? Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 13:01:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BI13wM011488 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:01:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BI0C2L010914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BHx61X089011; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0BHw0AS085585 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:58:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 17:57:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050111175543.01498808@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:59:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] [h-cost] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather In-Reply-To: <20050111173954.8123.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050111112831.01f90dd8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/661/Mon Jan 10 18:44:13 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >1] For our Companie's coming Performance Season, along with my on-going >project to redact, full-size, all of the 200 or so escutcheons of Jersey's >pre-1509 Armory, - I have decided to re-create the historical persona of >King Richard III's Falcon Herald Extraordinary, whose planned Visitation >to the Anglo-Norman Isles did not take place due to the Battle of >Bosworth, and the subsequent closure of the newly-founded College of Arms. > >So, I would welcome some assistance from Listers; - to whit, - directions >to images of 15th Century tabarded Heralds if any on this List either have >any, or know where they are to be found. Because I do not wish to pay the >current College's Officer In Waiting the exorbitant fee demanded for >simply considering my query. When I spoke to the Herald on duty about banners some time ago, he was most helpful and directed me to some very useful information. It did not cost me anything. I do not have the faintest idea if I kept the information. I will look for it when I feel better - dentistry this morning - face ache this afternoon!! I have not forgotten the information re. the Chartres doublet, but was hoping to increase it from the keeper at the Tower, who is not answering my mail, at the moment. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 13:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BINDUC011837 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BIMP2L013561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:22:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BIMIgT036763; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0BIMBcU036585 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86658 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2005 18:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050111182205.86656.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.141.172] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:22:05 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:22:05 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [other] [h-cost] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050111175543.01498808@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: When I spoke to the Herald on duty about banners some time ago, he was most helpful and directed me to some very useful information. It did not cost me anything. I do not have the faintest idea if I kept the information. I will look for it when I feel better - dentistry this morning - face ache this afternoon!! I have not forgotten the information re. the Chartres doublet, but was hoping to increase it from the keeper at the Tower, who is not answering my mail, at the moment. REPLY Dear Suzi, sorry for your face-ache; hope it wears off soon. When I spoke to the Officer in Waiting about a Blazon of - or even a Trick of my character's Arms at the beginning of 2003, when my Companions "volunteered" me for the part [but before I'd discovered that the info. was in our local reference Library anyway] , - he wanted £150 up front, before he'd even start looking. Our Companie doesn't have that kind of money; - we don't have any financial sponsorship yet.. I've never been back. Once is enough. Chartres doublet - I didn't think you had; - everything in it's own good time. God's benison upon you. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 13:43:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BIh7m0012148 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:43:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BIg92L015713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BIg0sQ053334; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BIfrNq053131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:41:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0BIZoTA012143 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:35:50 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:35:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E41DE9.8060807@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:41:45 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather References: <20050111173954.8123.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050111173954.8123.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO julian wilson wrote: > So, I would welcome some assistance from Listers; - to whit, - directions to images of 15th Century tabarded Heralds if any on this List either have any, or know where they are to be found. There's a great one that was in the Medieval Women Calendars -- the presentation of a prize for a tourney. The women were wearing butterfly henins and there were several heralds. I only have a picture of one of the women at my site but maybe it will be enough for you to find the rest: http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1400s_butterfly.jpg > 2] - Why is it that so few SCAdians who have created gentle or > "noble" characters for themselves - display their House Colours when otherwise wearing non-Heraldic garb? I don't do it because it's not period for me, near as I can tell. I've read that often the "suit of clothes" given to servants X times per year would often be the same color for everyone who was a servant, although not the same color from instance to instance -- basically, whatever good deal on fabric was available. But wearing armorial colors when not wearing heraldic dress? I don't think I've heard much about that, medievally. Not that it wouldn't look nice or be fun for SCA use. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Are you at peace with your role in the food chain? Would you like a t-shirt with a medieval horseman and hawk on it? A mug which tells you which way to the Egress? http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 14:51:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BJppON013334 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BJp02L025975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BJooKd024139; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BJoUiU023807 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from WS-002 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id BF4813EF3 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:50:11 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by WS-002 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1105473019105; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:50:19 -1000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:50:19 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] end of the year finds In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> Message-ID: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050104144637.0278cd98@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Kimiko Small wrote: >> Costume in Detail by (alas, left the volume at my daughter's.) I believe >> the publication date is 2000. The authors use the format that Baumgarten >> does in her book of the' same' title. Their study, however, is from the >> ethnic collections at the V&A. > > Is that the "sister" book to _Fashion in Detail_ by Hart and North? If so, I > have seen that at the stores and pondered getting it, although I am not as > much into more "ethnic" garments as I once was. I have _Dress in Detail from Around the World_ by Wilson, Wearden, and Crill 2002/2004 which I think is the one to which Kimiko is referring. It's very like _Fashion in Detail_ with close up photos but most of the garments are 19th and 20th century. If there is a _Costume in Detail_ other than the one by Bradfield I'd love to hear more about it (author, publisher). lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 15:21:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BKLTjV013841 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BKKL2L029552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BKKGNb049012; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:20:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BKJov2048675 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF26031D5C for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:19:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p266.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.12]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D021FC59C for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:19:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] masqued ball Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:20:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41E3DB96.4090403@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mucking is originally from gardening and refers to mud and some other bio matter. :} Mucking around - goofing off Mucking up - messy mistake or messed up almost beyond repair. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 16:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BLAZ1j014443 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:10:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BL9i2L005404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:09:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BL9b5j088601; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BL9YkN088537 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.13] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CoTGe-0002Ed-Mn for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: <02e601c4f821$d6704e30$0d159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050111173954.8123.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf0d501a41f644bb40e35c283d5fd4fec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.13 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian wrote: directions to images of 15th Century tabarded Heralds if any on this List either have any, or know where they are to be found. Try _King Rene's Tournament Book_ (_Le livre des tournois du roi Rene_); there are fascimile copies out there- I've got one in a box somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it. As far as I know, only the text is up on the internet, not the illuminations. A lot of the illuminations from it also turn up in those picture books about knights and tournaments. Good luck with the project. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 17:02:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BM2ORF014865 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BM1M2L012217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BM1B6C031489; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav9.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BM17Pg031369 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:00:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "h-costume_indra_com" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:00:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:00:20 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 22:01:01.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[09D6B4B0:01C4F829] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] heraldic clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0BM2ORF014865 Status: RO If you scroll down to the bottom of this page, there are a couple of nice illuminations of heraldic tabards. http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/tabards.html Janet Janet Davis Castle Furnishings www.medievalbookstore.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 18:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0BNvY4a015622 for ; 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charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] funny funny X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0BNvY4a015622 Status: RO Got this off another list and of course I am from BC http://www.kingfeatures.com/features/comics/bizarro/about.htm Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 20:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C1MDgZ016014 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:22:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0C1LB2L001267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1KRTaBoq0oka6IRo+vOHTv2RR+TXj18Wo1UesWLr1UjJ3t9yariQnZfNzfkl0OP+ZxysnGvAO0dUgVStJNhWrQ6fUj1Ee+oOvGMehXz2G91PEpayWoLbCU4EoTdLuoqHboD+bJbMn44jEfCKDAtSZ2ruemNUPujdh1Xh6Hy0H5k= ; Message-ID: <20050112012053.89328.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.113.148.183] by web53609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:20:53 PST Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] source for silk faille X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone have a source for silk (real silk) faille? It's not scarce, but I've only found two websites that carry it (denverfabrics.com and whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk) and I'd like more options. I'm looking for web stores or physical stores, in the US or abroad. Is there anything to be found in the LA or NYC fabric districts? Thanks, and apologies if I don't reply to responses right away, I'm way behind on email from this list. Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 23:09:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C49kAi018339 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0C48h2L014410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C48PH3075725; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C48OqJ075718 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400CB31B67 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:08:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p398.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.217.144]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A9F1C5D3 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:08:23 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:08:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: [calontir-heralds] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From my Herald's list. De -----Original Message----- Please forward this to Julian: Neubecker's _Heraldry: Sources, Symbols and Meaning_ has a numnber of 15th C. heralds in uniform. On p.18, of the colored pictures in the middle of the page, the first one is dated ~1480. On p.19, the first two colored pictures are also dated from the 15th C. On p.20, the row of pictures continues with the first one dated 1459, and the second dated before 1516. On p.23, there is a picture of the Garter King of Arms from a grant made in 1456. On p.12, is a picture of the first Garter KoA who was appointed in 1415. The next several pages have pictures from King Rene's Tournament Book, which was written in the mid-15th C. Several heralds and pursuivants are shown. Hope this helps. Gawain of Miskbridge Shadowdale Pursuivant _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 11 23:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C4FosT018423 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0C4F12L014768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C4Eh0s079202; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0C4EeC1079161 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956E931CB5 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:14:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p398.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.217.144]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E318C498 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:14:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:14:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bit OT FW: SCA boot of pain (fwd) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Must read the story. I feel sorry for the man but can't help laughing. De -----Original Message----- An auction on eBay, from a lordgustavjameson: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewITem&category=80915&item=5549346158 "SCA Boots of Pain handmade by an Idiot". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 05:34:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CAY647012797 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:34:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CATg2L008694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CATVfm080106; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CATSek079975 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:29:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:27:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926B1@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) thread-index: AcT4DpFAQ5BS9LFNRpSaRX5ZaIPWLgAgl+vA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since I live just a few stops along the railway line form Hampton Court, I've bnever had need to find out if they have on-site accomodation. i'd think it was unlikely.however. Nearby, possibly B&B's or reasonably prioced hotel type stuff. A freind's son-in-law runs (or his family run) a hotel within about five minutes walk of thr gate, for example but I wouldn't have thought they'd have any on within Hampton Court Palace or the grounds. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 09:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CENwRO017790 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:23:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CEM12L028332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CELr7U091757; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CELppa091712 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail04.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.144]) by smtpout05.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8LNVYAXD923S for (sender ); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:21:42 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn72e+VZeJNxV4b4K/F2agmRB2z0wSCBZhPA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail04.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KG6BT7MR; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:20:56 PST Received: from [4.158.153.71] by webmail04.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:20:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.153.71] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:20:45 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050112.062056.16442.111595@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:506538721 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I heard about this a few years ago and did some research (with Mel's assistance) and found out that it's run as a self-catering apartment. It's located on Fish Court which is in the Tudor kitchen area. It's an old 'grace and favor' apartment that either the National Trust or National Heritage or some such organization run. It has accomodation for 8 people ( 4 double beds or 4 rooms with twin beds, I can't remember exactly) but it's basically a fully functional apartment so you have a living area, full kitchen, etc. For 8 people the price was quite reasonable, but for only one or two people it got a tad pricey. I'm remembering it as 360 per week in British pounds but that was a couple of years ago and my memory may be faulty anyway. It's still a dream of mine to get several of my Guilde of St. George cronies together to rent it en masse and roam the lanes of Hampton Court after hours in full Elizabethan kit, no doubt causing any number of panic attacks in the process. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 09:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CEaf6F018001 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CEZK2L001379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CEZHqO099381; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:35:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CEZ4d2099171 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 14:34:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050112143425.014994a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) In-Reply-To: <20050112.062056.16442.111595@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:20 12/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I heard about this a few years ago and did some research (with Mel's >assistance) and found out that it's run as a self-catering apartment. It's >located on Fish Court which is in the Tudor kitchen area. It's an old >'grace and favor' apartment that either the National Trust or National >Heritage or some such organization run. It has accomodation for 8 people ( >4 double beds or 4 rooms with twin beds, I can't remember exactly) but >it's basically a fully functional apartment so you have a living area, >full kitchen, etc. For 8 people the price was quite reasonable, but for >only one or two people it got a tad pricey. I'm remembering it as 360 per >week in British pounds but that was a couple of years ago and my memory >may be faulty anyway. It's still a dream of mine to get several of my >Guilde of St. George cronies together to rent it en masse and roam the >lanes of Hampton Court after hours in full Elizabethan kit, no doubt >causing any number of panic attacks in the process. You may find that no-one takes any notice!! A group of Richard lll Society members walked through York to the Merchant's House for a banquet in April, and some of us stood waiting for taxis in full Wars of the Roses costume, houppelandes, horned headdresses, hennins - the lot! No-one blinked an eye. It was very sad!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 11:56:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CGujpl020341 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CGtk2L019138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CGtW10096366; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CGtUdc096266 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.148.3be289ff (4426) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <148.3be289ff.2f16b077@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:55:19 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0600 From: "Cindy Abel" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: modern clothing,historical taste Modern clothing/historical taste also is reflected in what costume periods get patterns for modern wearers/reenactors, etc. For instance, we don't see much in patterns for the bustle era, especially between 1870-1876 or 1884-1887 where the bustle was especially prominent. It is not considered beautiful in a time-frame where a comparatively flat rear end is considered attractive. I personally think all the diet aids, exercise equipment, and plastic surgery to acheive the presently aesthetically perfect abs and rear-end equally as consumer-driven as any ad for the various bustle pads, cages, and corsets of the 19th c bustle era. Cindy Abel BTW: I did purchase through Amazon.com both volumes for the mid-bustle period: 1877-1882 The best patterns for this period is by Truly Victorian run by two sisters, Laura and Heather MacNaughton. They have patterns for undergarments as well as day and evening bodices and skirts. The site is: www.trulyvictorian.com They are extremely helpful and knowledgeable for those who want to do the period right. I have seen many of their creations at Costume College each year in Van Nuys,California. They are beautiful. Try them out. Helpfully, Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 12:10:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHA2rs020662 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:10:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CH9L2L020521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CH9Hvi007373; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CH9BML007219 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 93645 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 17:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050112170905.93643.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.145.157] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:09:05 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:09:05 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: [calontir-heralds] ]Heralds' Tabards 1450-1509 - was your local winter weather To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote:>From my Herald's list. De -----Original Message----- Please forward this to Julian: Neubecker's _Heraldry: Sources, Symbols and Meaning_ has a numnber of 15th C. heralds in uniform. On p.18, of the colored pictures in the middle of the page, the first one is dated ~1480. On p.19, the first two colored pictures are also dated from the 15th C. On p.20, the row of pictures continues with the first one dated 1459, and the second dated before 1516. On p.23, there is a picture of the Garter King of Arms from a grant made in 1456. On p.12, is a picture of the first Garter KoA who was appointed in 1415. The next several pages have pictures from King Rene's Tournament Book, which was written in the mid-15th C. Several heralds and pursuivants are shown. Hope this helps. Gawain of Miskbridge Shadowdale Pursuivant Dear De, Please convey my deepest thanks to your Herald for his extremely helpful message. I would never have found those detailed references on my own. Now it's off to the Library to request an ILL for the book. Thanks on behalf of our Companie, to every Lister who has taken the time to respond so generously to my question. Because of your help I now have great hopes of being able to re-create the very first "Falcon Herald Extraordinary" - a task which would have been much more difficult without your assistance. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 12:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHFQMc020788 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CHEa2L021048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHEWwV011450; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CHESY3011296 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31035 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 17:14:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Esszn4NQtQlukbxorb+fcJjq3dC+rQRjU0y1KBvjbqF6x7dVrQno2Kd6GYwUVcAMDVsTE8FO3Ld9zTRVifzjZfvRGkCQq7vGcIR1GC8OsPGJaevKwvxUblcvaeS3rGJny/pp2WPJoq5sX1kMUDHjR/SyEaTx3MPE02DGvC4UEOY= ; Message-ID: <20050112171420.31033.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:14:20 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <148.3be289ff.2f16b077@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just had to add my 'here, here' about Truly Vic. I have almost all their patterns and their wondeful to work with and very accurate to fit. Love 'em!!! Chris G. FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: The best patterns for this period is by Truly Victorian run by two sisters, Laura and Heather MacNaughton. They have patterns for undergarments as well as day and evening bodices and skirts. The site is: www.trulyvictorian.com They are extremely helpful and knowledgeable for those who want to do the period right. I have seen many of their creations at Costume College each year in Van Nuys,California. They are beautiful. Try them out. Helpfully, Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 12:35:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHZoRY021143 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CHYi2L023363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHYZMf028044; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from chori.chori.org (chori.chori.org [209.77.137.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CHYV1u027895 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ldownward@chori.org) Received: from [172.19.9.241] ([172.19.9.241] verified) by chori.chori.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 2227212 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:23 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns From: Lynn Downward To: h costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050112171420.31033.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0CHYV1u027895 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too. Their patterns are lovely; I have about ten of them. The bustle pattern went together painlessly, and I made it of a heavy satin rather than the usual cotton, which added several issues to the mix. I made their 1861 bodice pattern in NOvember for Dickens faire and the first muslin was almost perfect, just needed a bit of tweeking at the shoulders. I didn't even make a second muslin, just made it up and it fit perfectly. All the pieces went together beautifully and their instructions are crystal clear if you have basic sewing skills. Their fitting trick on their bodice patterns is that the front pieces can be a different size than the back. So if you're broad backed with an A-cup, it will fit you as well as it will fit someone with a small back and C-cup. Each pattern is hand graded rather than the usual commercial grading where everything gets big proportionally. And if you EVER get the opportunity to take a class from them, jump at the chance. Every penny will be worth it, whether they're showing you how to make a bustle or drape a bustle overskirt or fit one of their bodice patterns or make Victorian trims. A rabid fan of the McNaughtons, LynnD On 1/12/05 9:14 AM, "Chris" wrote: > Just had to add my 'here, here' about Truly Vic. I have almost all their > patterns and their wondeful to work with and very accurate to fit. Love > 'em!!! > > Chris G. > > FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > The best patterns for this period is by Truly Victorian run by two sisters, > Laura and Heather MacNaughton. They have patterns for undergarments as well as > day and evening bodices and skirts. The site is: www.trulyvictorian.com > > They are extremely helpful and knowledgeable for those who want to do the > period right. I have seen many of their creations at Costume College each year > in Van Nuys,California. They are beautiful. Try them out. > > Helpfully, > > Donna Scarfe > Fyne Hats By Felicity > Period Headgear for Past Ages > www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 13:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CIAuDR021754 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:10:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CI9e2L027743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CI9XDH057416; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CI9PGX057190 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15926 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 18:09:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4KzgArsnqTlgBJyZx/kpBayKe8A76soH1xdsssYbjv9desqNP+NL9i/9j8B81rvTQXYQSrGvmhTCqc8iyqlHzpFZzobI2R9l/yd2jYc9oacHpeC9VjPR50sMXIItTbfKrddGPbL6Wn+0H9c3AGVjeWBq24gHNnQyLuj2oTOqrOY= ; Message-ID: <20050112180919.15924.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:19 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:09:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I HOPE to be able to take a class(es) from them, but darn it, I'm no longer on the West Coast...I've 'e'd them a couple of times and they are so great about getting right back to you and they always had more than one way to correct the problem I was having. I have the broad back/small chest size you mention and theirs is the ONLY pattern(s) that I dont' have to make 3-4 muslins for. Yes, I did a little happy dance all around the room. Hopefully they'll come East one of these days... Chris G. Lynn Downward wrote: Me too. Their patterns are lovely; I have about ten of them. The bustle pattern went together painlessly, and I made it of a heavy satin rather than the usual cotton, which added several issues to the mix. I made their 1861 bodice pattern in NOvember for Dickens faire and the first muslin was almost perfect, just needed a bit of tweeking at the shoulders. I didn't even make a second muslin, just made it up and it fit perfectly. All the pieces went together beautifully and their instructions are crystal clear if you have basic sewing skills. Their fitting trick on their bodice patterns is that --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 14:48:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJmBvK022864 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:48:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CJkS2L010266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJkFqk037520; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJihOv036167 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:44:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CooPu-0002zl-9S for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:44:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:43:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) References: <005801c4f284$96639510$6401a8c0@SG01> <1437.24.4.69.40.1104862354.squirrel@24.4.69.40> <001d01c4f77e$eeade410$1902a8c0@duncan> In-Reply-To: <001d01c4f77e$eeade410$1902a8c0@duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's owned by an organisation called The Landmark Trust. Their website is at www.landlmarktrust.org.uk - it will give you some information, but you have to send for their brochure to actually book. The organsiation basically saves old buildings by doing them up and letting them for holidays (and sometimes they get access to places that don't need them to save them, like Hampton Court). I've always wanted to stay in one of these, but unfortunately most of them are huge and only affordable if you go as a party of 8 or 10. A lot of the small, cheap ones are follies and gatehouses and the like, and you find you have to go outside across the roof to get from the bedroom to the bathroom! Jean ailith wrote >Greetings! > >Some time ago, I remember seeing a travel log type of program on >television about Hampton Court. In it, the presenter said that one >could spend the night in an apartment (?) on the grounds (if I >remember correctly) and that the cost was 40 pounds per person. Does >anyone know anything about it? And, does anyone happen to know the >name of the town that Hampton Court is in? > >Thanks so much! > >kate >Looking forward to London in the autumn! > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 14:59:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJxtMO022917 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:59:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CJxH2L011607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJxDcO047868; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CJxAsU047811 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cooe4-0004cO-99 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:58:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] heraldic clothing References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might all like to have a look at these to see how similar the modern tabards are - these were the assistants to Lord Lyon King of Arms, at the opening of the Scottish Parliament http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/nmCentre/images/openingCeremony/Preview Pages/PreviewPage62.htm This one nearly got Lord Lyon himself, but they seemed to be deliberately cutting him out of the photos. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/nmCentre/images/openingCeremony/Preview Pages/PreviewPage38.htm Jean JAMES OGILVIE wrote >If you scroll down to the bottom of this page, there are a couple of >nice illuminations of heraldic tabards. >http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/tabards.html > >Janet > >Janet Davis >Castle Furnishings >www.medievalbookstore.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 15:39:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CKdaib023201 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:39:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CKc72L016017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CKbdqV080541; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CKbZG9080473 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23413 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:51:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:51:00 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Jean Waddie wrote: > The organsiation basically saves old buildings by doing them up and > letting them for holidays (and sometimes they get access to places > that don't need them to save them, like Hampton Court). I've always > wanted to stay in one of these, but unfortunately most of them are > huge and only affordable if you go as a party of 8 or 10. A lot of > the small, cheap ones are follies and gatehouses and the like, and you > find you have to go outside across the roof to get from the bedroom to > the bathroom! Another source of unusual places to stay is vicarages and related buildings at churches. It seems quite a number of parishes have older quarters that they rent, B&B style. Keeps the vicars' wives pretty busy, too, from what one told me when we stayed overnight at a vicarage in, hmm, around Salisbury I think but I'd have to look it up. She in turn directed us to the guest quarters at Ely Cathedral. That building is on the cathedral grounds practically smack up against the cathedral itself (there's a driveway between). It's where they used to put up travelling monks. You could still see the ancient Norman (Romanesque) arches in the walls, on the inside, remnants of the older building that was there first. We had a fireplace in our bedroom, but the bathroom was down the hall. Cost no more than any other B&B on our route. This was in September 1990, and my husband and I were traveling the English countryside by car on the way back from the Monumental Brass Society's annual meeting. I have no idea whether they still rent it, but it was truly wonderful. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 16:11:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CLBHhH023458 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:11:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CL9m2L019738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:09:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CL9cko007229; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CL9YGK007056 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DDEA51BCA57; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust170.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.170]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 00E8B1BCA17 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <068c01c4f8eb$17a09760$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050112180919.15924.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've heard wonderful reviews of Truly Victorian, and I'm sure that if I ever should need a pattern for their eras, I'll buy from them. In fact, I've been thinking of getting one of their bodice patterns, since I hear that their fitting system is wonderful for close custom fits. It seems like it would be a great shortcut to use that as a starting point when drafting patterns for others! A few bucks to save hours upon hours upon hours sounds like a great deal, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 16:25:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CLPr8n023562 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CLP52L021422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CLOw5s020360; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0CLNOVc018887 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6874 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 21:23:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=p8IBB6OqRbTKnHoWIDvJYIn4PrR/Faz13qrO1lsD9oLN5Yag++aBN1jqCqK5hcUxaoC/rFUfdhjUfN7f+JgB+HuQHgOwYLVwaiDHiD9Po6ofEds/UaULvTffWBeyOCyGxoIu+jHdjUs65tikxL+optCwdf6M0ARVe5nGXnlUpeI= ; Message-ID: <20050112212318.6870.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:23:18 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <068c01c4f8eb$17a09760$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You won't be sorry. That 'couple of extra bucks' is priceless to me. As I said earlier, I'm broadshouldered (17") and am an A cup AND extremely short-waisted so not an easy fit. Their patterns make it so :) And they're soooo nice. Chris E House wrote: I've heard wonderful reviews of Truly Victorian, and I'm sure that if I ever should need a pattern for their eras, I'll buy from them. In fact, I've been thinking of getting one of their bodice patterns, since I hear that their fitting system is wonderful for close custom fits. It seems like it would be a great shortcut to use that as a starting point when drafting patterns for others! A few bucks to save hours upon hours upon hours sounds like a great deal, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. -E --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 17:37:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CMbBAO023983 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:37:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CMa12L028868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CMZsM6078456; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CMZq5i078422 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7884EA12D for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0AF13E for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:51 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:51 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] source for silk faille Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03AEED89@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 21 Thread-Index: AcT4zo24C3ZHeZn/T0as7qsrnpeUrgAJT/tw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2005 22:35:51.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[11D02240:01C4F8F7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0CMZq5i078422 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Does anyone have a source for silk (real silk) faille? I found some last month at Stone Mountain & Daughter in Berkeley, CA (but they don't have an on-line store). I bought a bunch of black silk faille from http://fabricmartfabrics.com 3 months ago, but they don't seem to have it at the moment. With Denver Fabrics I recommend getting swatches before ordering -- not everything they called a faille had ribs... Hope that helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 18:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CN1eWP024081 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0CN0u2L001202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CN0q8M097775; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CN0kTl097687 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38207105CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.35]) by filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27651-02-76 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA08D103E1 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41E5ABC6.4080607@telenet.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:59:18 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns References: <20050112212318.6870.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050112212318.6870.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my goodness - we Must be twins! I am definitely going to try at least one, then. Rowena, Aethelmearc Chris wrote: >You won't be sorry. That 'couple of extra bucks' is priceless to me. As I said earlier, I'm broadshouldered (17") and am an A cup AND extremely short-waisted so not an easy fit. Their patterns make it so :) > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 22:25:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D3P4IM027151 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:25:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D3O62L021748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D3NiDf054821; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.114]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0D3NefU054732 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60846 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 03:23:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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They're also very prompt in shipping your order. I usually get mine within 4 days of ordering, even if it's on a Friday night. Enjoy! Home Ec wrote: Oh my goodness - we Must be twins! I am definitely going to try at least one, then. Rowena, Aethelmearc Chris wrote: >You won't be sorry. That 'couple of extra bucks' is priceless to me. As I said earlier, I'm broadshouldered (17") and am an A cup AND extremely short-waisted so not an easy fit. Their patterns make it so :) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 23:02:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D42CGj027758 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:02:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D41Q2L024487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D41Mox074076; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:01:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao07.cox.net (lakermmtao07.cox.net [68.230.240.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D41KDk074007 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.197.8]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20050113040111.IRWV20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:01:11 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:01:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f7b5$7c3adc30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcT3tw/W9ofV89+DRa2deHM4eUO2ZwBbQhTg Message-Id: <20050113040111.IRWV20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree about Hampton Court. It is fabulous and I look forward to going here again. I hope they still have the costumes from the BBC series Elizabeth R on display. I also plane to visit the V&A, the MOL and the British Museum. I only wish there was time to go down to Bath. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Hampton Court (OT) Hi, I am green of envy you are going there, the galleries of paintings with portraits are to die for. Every time i go and see such a place, i have to go quickly trough everything, because i know it bores Leif so much. I could easy spend a whole day there.............I recall a long gallery with young beauties from 1670ies, i dont know if it was the kings mistresses or something, beautifull they were. I also got goose skin when i stood in the tudor hall, it was very strange........... Dont miss the labyrinth in the garden... I think to remember that the town is called Hampton Court. You can look over to the castle from the railway station. Oh and the museum shop has got one of the largest collections of early music i have regretted a lot of times, that i did not buy some of those.... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 12 23:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D4ACwc027887 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D49X2L025030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D49Ugh078425; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D49DYj078245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0D5HSdF024376 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:17:28 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:29:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050112180919.15924.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <068c01c4f8eb$17a09760$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <068c01c4f8eb$17a09760$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501122329.23813.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 12 January 2005 4:10 pm, E House wrote: > I've heard wonderful reviews of Truly Victorian, and I'm sure that if I > ever should need a pattern for their eras, I'll buy from them. In fact, > I've been thinking of getting one of their bodice patterns, since I hear > that their fitting system is wonderful for close custom fits. I have made up a basic skirt and overskirt from their patterns. The garments came out fine, and the directions made the process fairly easy. The only bodice of theirs I've made so far was not tightly fitted (yes, one of the few) so I cannot say how well their fitting system works for me. I've heard mixed reviews about it from others. On the plus side, the TV website has a bulletin board on which people can, and frequently do, ask Heather for advise on pattern and fitting issues, and on which she responds with helpful advice. The bulletin board list continues to grow, and is actually developing a community feel. I would recommend joining it if you have an interest in Victorian (female) costume, particularly for the years between 1860 and 1900. See also the reviews of TV patterns on the Great Pattern Review (with pictures of TV patterns as sewn by the reviewers): http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/tv.htm -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 03:29:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D8TB4a020444 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:29:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D8SI2L009419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D8S8dd006165; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50007.mail.yahoo.com (web50007.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0D8S6Sd006092 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92647 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 08:28:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO May you have a wonderful day and many more happy years to come, filled with making the most gorgeous costumes imaginable. Nicole P.S. I thought the list might want to wish our most amazing costumer & embroiderer a collective happy birthday :-) ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! In-Reply-To: <20050113082759.92645.qmail@web50007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-57C0701B X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear, Hear. Have a wonderful birthday. Jennifer At 08:27 AM 1/13/05 +0000, you wrote: >May you have a wonderful day and many more happy years to come, filled with >making the most gorgeous costumes imaginable. > >Nicole what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 04:50:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D9oT7X021349 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0D9nZ2L013497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D9nOOr045307; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0D9nNWI045249 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011309491601500cn99ue>; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:16 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:16 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:49:16 +0000 Message-Id: <011320050949.14029.41E6441C00003580000036CD22007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO May your birthday be as wonderful as you are! And may your stitches ever be true and beautiful. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hear, Hear. Have a wonderful birthday. > > Jennifer > > At 08:27 AM 1/13/05 +0000, you wrote: > > >May you have a wonderful day and many more happy years to come, filled with > >making the most gorgeous costumes imaginable. > > > >Nicole > > > what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 05:10:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DAAbTY021508 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DA9r2L014472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DA9oQ1054800; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:09:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DA9ln5054651 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 258065EE07C for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:09:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004c01c4f958$05b039d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:09:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] happy birthday Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Nicole hi all, Why i must say, thanks a lot for this, oh gosh then i have lived for half a century........... This day i dont do anything unusually, i want to celebrate my birthday precisely in 6 months. I have always dreamed of making a picknick to "Dyrehaven" wich is an old forrest noth of Copenhagen. I am sewing as usually today, i must go and shop for cotton bombast i am going to make a bumroll for an anglaise dress. I got such a lovely bouquet of flowers from my sister with the delivery in my favourite colours and the roses has a lovely smell. You are always so kind to remember this day Nicole, thanks a lot.................. Laughs about my pink dress i make for my niece to the mask ball. It surely is shocking pink, it almost heards my eyes when i look at it, i was crazy to think that i could have used this for something historicall.................. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 06:57:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DBvQsa022386 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DBuQ2L020736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:56:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DBuDNE004602; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DBu6I3004547 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7248A26287F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:55:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c4f966$e555ea90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FTP program off topic. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for uploading files to my website. But i have problems with this program. This is the second time it shots down and claims that my trial version has expired, even though i have baught use of it for 2 years. I am pissed off (sorry) Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more friendly to use? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 07:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DCB4uW022595 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:11:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DCAN2L021728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DCAJqg011296; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DCAERL011259 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:10:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:10:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Landmark Trust properties (WAS:Question about Hampton Court (OT)) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926D1@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Landmark Trust properties (WAS:Question about Hampton Court (OT)) thread-index: AcT5aCZCvgvHjkb9SjSDa9KV1RtQ2wAACkEw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's owned by an organisation called The Landmark Trust. Their website > is at www.landlmarktrust.org.uk - it will give you some information, but > you have to send for their brochure to actually book. > > The organsiation basically saves old buildings by doing them up and > letting them for holidays (and sometimes they get access to places that > don't need them to save them, like Hampton Court). I've always wanted > to stay in one of these, but unfortunately most of them are huge and > only affordable if you go as a party of 8 or 10. A lot of the small, > cheap ones are follies and gatehouses and the like, and you find you > have to go outside across the roof to get from the bedroom to the > bathroom! A couple of my friends rent a different one for their main holiday each year so they can invite costumer friends to bring their costumes and do photoshoots witht he properties as backdrops. Though he won't wear costume himself he's a brilliant photographer and designs and makes costumes for his wife and her friends to model and loves photographing them (some of the best pictures I have of my costumes were taken by him) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 08:30:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DDUEjb023941 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:30:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DDTV2L027160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:29:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DDTMZi051163; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DDTJll051062 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:29:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71297 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 13:29:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=G0AGuQvonTe3agam2G+72/0zHN86yog8+SMKXAD324SFozZ9CJ/WLUkG4TA3HfuS+KuJ6/Fz29b9QwSqH6Ljb80urQ5Q6s62D6y8LVRUHnMuJC21tBP/E3dl38wBKKMh9emgWTUXcunPSMKDY+aHLD6FUxp83PB3B+BfEOG4LXo= ; Message-ID: <20050113132914.71295.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:29:14 PST Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:29:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <011320050949.14029.41E6441C00003580000036CD22007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ditto! Happy Birthday :) Chris G. Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: May your birthday be as wonderful as you are! And may your stitches ever be true and beautiful. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hear, Hear. Have a wonderful birthday. > > Jennifer > > At 08:27 AM 1/13/05 +0000, you wrote: > > >May you have a wonderful day and many more happy years to come, filled with > >making the most gorgeous costumes imaginable. > > > >Nicole > > > what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/05 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 08:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DDkItI024214 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:46:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DDiO2L028116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DDiJsq058713; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DDiHtC058625 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from MeganLaptop (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F9715C56 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] happy birthday Bjarne Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:44:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <004c01c4f958$05b039d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT5WBzejheI4QFbQ/W6TFz47uPY9AAHZkSg Message-Id: <20050113134409.D6F9715C56@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And another very happy birthday for you today, Bjarne! Enjoy your day today, then also enjoy your picnic in 6 months! That is a great idea. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 09:05:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE58Jj024537 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:05:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DE4P2L029591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:04:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE4JkF070103; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:04:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE4Ijm069914 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:04:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701E7CFBF3 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:04:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41E67FD0.1080604@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:04:00 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy birthday Bjarne References: <004c01c4f958$05b039d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <004c01c4f958$05b039d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Laughs about my pink dress i make for my niece to the mask ball. It > surely is shocking pink, it almost heards my eyes when i look at it, i > was crazy to think that i could have used this for something > historicall.................. > Well it will may not be historical but it will be Hystericall :-) Happy Birthday! I am looking foreward to see pictures of the dress! Greetings from Deredere who is right know making a really cute bunny in a 1860 orange silk dress _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 09:06:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE6Gxs024554 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:06:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DE5a2L029673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE5aNV070754; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DE529Z070456 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:04:58 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926D6@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question thread-index: AcT5aCZCvgvHjkb9SjSDa9KV1RtQ2wAEAf5A Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello folks, Strangely enough (my being a cataloguer of medical and health books) this quation comes through a work source. Passed on to me by a colleague in a different department. Anyhow, we've had an enquiry about sources (books , magazines, websites) relating to the history of women's equestrian fashion. Also, any places to look for information about the *current* fashions in this area? Many thanks in advance Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 09:14:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEE2BB024677 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:14:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DEDH2L000195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEDErZ074735; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:13:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DED77D074600 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8PARAA654RA2 for (sender ); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:12:48 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn763cYaIpZNV+VtwUJ6qpmyfXblGkwblLiA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KG8VQV5J; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:12:11 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:11:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:11:18 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050113.061211.17178.132489@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2033232986 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And yet another 'Happy Birthday' from yet another admirer on the other side of The Pond! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 09:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEeCr6025133 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DEcU2L002121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEcLnX089445; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DEcDUG089289 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 14:38:07 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113142710.01499e88@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:40:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [other] [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926D6@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx .ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:04 13/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hello folks, > >Strangely enough (my being a cataloguer of medical and health books) >this quation comes through a work source. Passed on to me by a >colleague in a different department. > >Anyhow, we've had an enquiry about sources (books , magazines, websites) >relating to the history of women's equestrian fashion. Also, any places >to look for information about the *current* fashions in this area? Some images here http://www.corsetsandcrinolines.com/timeline.php?dt=1870 I also have some original "Punch " cartoons of women in the 1860s on horseback and off!! I also have a fashion plate from "Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine" 1860, which I can send. I thought it was on my fashion plate site, but I cannot find it, and the programme tells me it is there and I cannot resend!! The is a "Sidesaddle" Association or similar, but I don't have an address. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 09:56:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEuhgN025417 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:56:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DEtu2L005759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEtp7f001577; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DEtbaE001248 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:55:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A7F3047FE0B for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:55:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:55:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1780ies stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jubii, my ftp server worked again. I got support from the company. Well i have uploaded pictures of the 1780 stays in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines. I used Wissners 4 mm. boning for these stays, just like the origina. It is a very lightly boned corset, but i think it will support well for my niece. Also i uploaded a picture of the lace i have reconstrukted after Fashion in Detail page 93, the sleave with the beautifull chenille embroidery. My lace is slightly bigger, i cant make such a tiny lace as the original, would take two long, and also would be very difficult to get thread for this. All the lace is made in silk thread, included the chenille gimp. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/late Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 10:31:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFVIrk026040 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:31:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DFUX2L012827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFURwG026516; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFUNxZ026453 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cp6vW-0000Jd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:30:22 -0800 Message-ID: <41E6941B.3060402@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:30:35 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [other] [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113142710.01499e88@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113142710.01499e88@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Much of this will depend on the discipline the person is riding in and whether or not they are competing. Even within the dressage discipline some events (working horse-which is relatively new) wear the traditional gear you work in). Some wear a Spanish style etc. Otherwise, dressage is very specific as to what you can wear if you are competing. Within the "western" & "English"disciplines, garb and gear vary a great deal depending on what you are doing. Is this person specifically interested in sidesaddle? Sg >> Also, any places >> to look for information about the *current* fashions in this area? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 10:40:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFe3BF026212 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DFdA2L014530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFd4F9032285; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DFd0WV032130 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8PFQ2AZTJH8A for (sender ); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:38:00 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjiNXCS2A6nqISLwtpPzu4c= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KG82LL7Y; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:37:13 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:17:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! Message-ID: <20050113.073633.712.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3367110012 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy Birthday, Bjarne! And many more! :D Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 10:50:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFoJ7q026380 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:50:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DFna2L016851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFnUId040066; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:49:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFnRLM040025 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cp7Dy-0002Gm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:49:26 -0800 Message-ID: <41E6988A.503@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:49:30 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [other] [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113142710.01499e88@127.0.0.1> <41E6941B.3060402@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41E6941B.3060402@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whoops, forgot this part: http://www.sidesaddleinfo.com/attire.html Wicked Frau wrote: > Much of this will depend on the discipline the person is riding in and > whether or not they are competing. Even within the dressage > discipline some events (working horse-which is relatively new) wear > the traditional gear you work in). Some wear a Spanish style etc. > Otherwise, dressage is very specific as to what you can wear if you > are competing. Within the "western" & "English"disciplines, garb and > gear vary a great deal depending on what you are doing. Is this > person specifically interested in sidesaddle? > > Sg > >>> Also, any places >>> to look for information about the *current* fashions in this area? >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 10:55:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFtAlL026475 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:55:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DFsS2L018107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DFrxiu043509; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40427.mail.yahoo.com (web40427.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DFrjIq043272 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:53:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79560 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 15:53:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=6vwD38RKPwsfMWEIY7bm80orzcMqbDYsamSJ/pzpjwUfWAQaEYG8kgQOgONLASucJltCYUmIugOcArKgPNCQ8vv4vOOmCcaRbkx53rzF2ZqbHwcGNRtRGFUdQ/AkR4xK3USmlOwqSrr/6q69Z7KiQEZ6SqwCV+AEiI9idLrL/wA= ; Message-ID: <20050113155339.79558.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40427.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:53:39 PST Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501131201.j0DBxubt006524@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, I hate to see you waste money on the CuteFTP, so have you tried contacting their support staff? If you still want to try another FTP program, I use WS_FTP both at home and at work. They used to have a free version, but now it's $35. I also have recently had to use WinSCP for an online class that I took. It was either free: Here's a page of FTP programs w/ reviews, prices, and downloads: Good luck and Happy Birthday! ~mary > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:19 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] FTP program off topic. > > Hi > Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for > uploading > files to my website. But i have problems with this program. This is > the > second time it shots down and claims that my trial version has > expired, even > though i have baught use of it for 2 years. > I am pissed off (sorry) > Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more > friendly to use? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG1ejG026597 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DG0s2L019533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG0mTm049107; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG0bZF048855 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from generys@blazemail.com) Received: from pmta02.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B707E3FD8C for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:00:31 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQBKBEVB5psf9r/03gIAAAAB,f43117ddfc3514b4575305b100bcf394 Received: from marketing3 (69.38.51.209 [69.38.51.209]) by pmta02.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY) with ESMTP id DC55199A for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:00:31 -0800 From: "Jennifer / Guenievre" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic. Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT5iDaXn/rE+XQFREaniB7EmgRGKgAAMKiA In-Reply-To: <20050113155339.79558.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20050113160031.B707E3FD8C@omta16.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use Firefox as a browser, and there's a free extension - FireFTP - that makes it a FTP program as well. You might want to look into that... Guenievre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Mary > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:54 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic. > > Hi Bjarne, > > I hate to see you waste money on the CuteFTP, so have you tried > contacting their support staff? > > If you still want to try another FTP program, I use WS_FTP both at > home and at work. They used to have a free version, but now it's > $35. > > I also have recently had to use WinSCP for an online class that I > took. It was either free: > > > Here's a page of FTP programs w/ reviews, prices, and downloads: > > > Good luck and Happy Birthday! > ~mary > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:19 +0100 > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > Subject: [h-cost] FTP program off topic. > > > > Hi > > Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for > > uploading > > files to my website. But i have problems with this program. This is > > the > > second time it shots down and claims that my trial version has > > expired, even > > though i have baught use of it for 2 years. > > I am pissed off (sorry) > > Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more > > friendly to use? > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > > > ===== > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." > ~ Jane Austen > > "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've > forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:09:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG9PqW026735 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DG8j2L020303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG8fcn055380; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG8aDl055041 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FD58E0002A2 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001a01c4f98a$184080a0$0200a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050113082759.92645.qmail@web50007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:08:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have a lovely lacy birthday - now *and* six months from now, Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:15:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGFE59026835 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DGCE39020677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:14:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG5KNe052801; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DG5H2G052765 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cp7TI-0001l3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:16 -0800 Message-ID: <41E69C4A.3080507@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:05:30 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic.-WSFTP References: <20050113155339.79558.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050113155339.79558.qmail@web40427.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Mary...this is the most straight forward FTP program I have used. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:24:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGOWCE026974 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13,17-18 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3496307482 X-MAIL-INFO: 175d04391111851105b9a07460a195c9508d752461515199752d65 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi > Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for > uploading > files to my website. But i have problems with this program. This is > the > second time it shots down and claims that my trial version has > expired, even > though i have baught use of it for 2 years. > I am pissed off (sorry) > Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more friendly > to use? Hi Bjarne, I haven't used it a lot, but I got CoffeeCup FTP based on C-Net recommendations and it's worked for me. http://www.coffeecup.com . However, there's not much of a help feature with it, so you need to know a bit about FTP to use it. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:28:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGS0r7027024 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DGRD2L022278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGRAAw070592; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGQ3Io069607 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:24:32 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:25:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926D6@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcT5aCZCvgvHjkb9SjSDa9KV1RtQ2wAEAf5AAAT2iRA= Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 16:24:32.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CD24BC0:01C4F98C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This may or may not help you, but last summer I was at the (US) Arabian National Competition in Albuquerque, and there were some really spiff outfits in the "English Pleasure" class. A lady near me was happy about being able to buy a 2nd-hand (i.e. previously worn) ensemble for $1800. Woot! Now there's a market to get into.. Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Teddy Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question Hello folks, Strangely enough (my being a cataloguer of medical and health books) this quation comes through a work source. Passed on to me by a colleague in a different department. Anyhow, we've had an enquiry about sources (books , magazines, websites) relating to the history of women's equestrian fashion. Also, any places to look for information about the *current* fashions in this area? Many thanks in advance Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:42:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGgkOq027281 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DGfZ2L023919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGfPje082621; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGfNYs082570 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:41:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question. To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926E0@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question. thread-index: AcT5jWeZ/T1D8oIrRJGZAnHSTikFvAAAMmHw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi > Some images here > http://www.corsetsandcrinolines.com/timeline.php?dt=1870 Thanks > I also have some original "Punch " cartoons of women in the 1860s on > horseback and off!! I also have a fashion plate from "Englishwoman's > Domestic Magazine" 1860, which I can send. I thought it was on my fashion > plate site, but I cannot find it, and the programme tells me it is there > and I cannot resend!! I think this situation needs a compilable list of websites/books/zines etc that can be given to this person so they can take it away and do their research, rather than specific pictures to forward to them (I have no direct contact with the person, just details of their enquiry) Thanks anyway. > The is a "Sidesaddle" Association or similar, but I don't > have an address. Perhaps someone else wil come up with it. Thanks again. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 11:46:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGkXKK027342 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DGjs2L024444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:45:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGjr3d086338; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DGjoj4086293 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:45:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926E2@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - thread-index: AcT5jWeZ/T1D8oIrRJGZAnHSTikFvAAAYJpA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Much of this will depend on the discipline the person is riding in and whether or not they are competing. Even within the dressage discipline > some events (working horse-which is relatively new) wear the traditional > gear you work in). Some wear a Spanish style etc. Otherwise, dressage > is very specific as to what you can wear if you are competing. Within > the "western" & "English"disciplines, garb and gear vary a great deal > depending on what you are doing. Is this person specifically > interested in sidesaddle? She just said "equestrian" I assume it's ANY equestrian clothing since she didn't specify and its for "a dissertaion based on a business plan for a new range of equine clothing for women" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 12:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHAUcJ027833 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:10:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DH8e2L027023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:08:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DH8CUR005921; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:08:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DH7mQa005407 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0DH64Z01356 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:06:04 -0600 Message-ID: <41E6AB03.80000@wideopenwest.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:08:19 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Birthday Bjarne! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Happy Birthday, Bjarne, and many more! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 12:13:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHDaLn027890 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:13:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DHCm2L027710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHCkcL010244; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DH9ODE007166 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.47] (helo=wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cp8TM-0007Ym-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <29175025.1105636164440.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:09:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] happy birthday Bjarne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Bjarne-- Joining the chorus of "Happy Birthday" from Connecticut.... Fifty is a great accomplishment. When my carasse (to use a Kurt Vonnegut word) turned fifty back in '98 (the first of the Baby Boomers in the U.S.) we defied American tradition! Instead of pretending NOT to be fifty, or taking it as a sign of getting old, we celebrated as much as possible! One weekend I got together with some old friends from college and had a collective birthday party/pajama party; I bought myself several trips to the theater in New York; I had a party of my own with my truelove; there was a family party. I knew a few people who celebrated once a week for the whole year! If you're sewing today, that's an appropriate celebration of the artistic side of your life. Enjoy the big celebration you're planning for six months from now. Consider the Masqued Ball a party for yourself too! Your work and your kindness bring so much pleasure to so many people, you deserve to be celebrated. So Bravo! high day! I haven't sent you real flowers, but if you will IMAGINE a bouquet of fifty peonies, that will be from me. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 12:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHKtn2028024 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DHJi2L028507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:19:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHJe2k016321; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHJXG4016136 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:18:02 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:19:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926E2@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcT5jWeZ/T1D8oIrRJGZAnHSTikFvAAAYJpAAAD5rUA= Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 17:18:02.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[D691E1D0:01C4F993] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm. If they are in competition/showing, I got the feeling that the requirements are very precise, down to the "hair bun must be in a net, (Hairpieces allowed for Short hair)" Let me do a quick google.. again- http://www.sidesaddleinfo.com/attire.html check out the attire sections http://www.arabianhorsefair.com/GoverningRules/generalrules.htm skip down to "Equipment" www.equestrian.org maybe? Hoping to help- Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Teddy Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - > Much of this will depend on the discipline the person is riding in and whether or not they are competing. Even within the dressage discipline > some events (working horse-which is relatively new) wear the traditional > gear you work in). Some wear a Spanish style etc. Otherwise, dressage > is very specific as to what you can wear if you are competing. Within > the "western" & "English"disciplines, garb and gear vary a great deal > depending on what you are doing. Is this person specifically > interested in sidesaddle? She just said "equestrian" I assume it's ANY equestrian clothing since she didn't specify and its for "a dissertaion based on a business plan for a new range of equine clothing for women" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 12:36:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHaUm9028206 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DHZe2L000606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:35:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHZZIn030790; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DHZSVY030629 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21912 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 17:35:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 12:38:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHcN6A028226 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DHbe2L000888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:37:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHbexX032556; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DHZfwq030882 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cp8sj-0005UT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:35:39 -0800 Message-ID: <41E6B176.1070002@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:35:50 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic. References: <20050113160031.B707E3FD8C@omta16.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050113160031.B707E3FD8C@omta16.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds like a worthy thing to try. I have used firefox for quite some time now and their mail tool thunderbird and have been very happy with them. They are all free! All these elements can be gotten through http://www.mozilla.org/ (I have tried the calendar feature and not liked it much....) Sg Jennifer / Guenievre wrote: >I use Firefox as a browser, and there's a free extension - FireFTP - that >makes it a FTP program as well. You might want to look into that... > >Guenievre > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >>Behalf Of Mary >>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:54 AM >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: [h-cost] Re: FTP program off topic. >> >>Hi Bjarne, >> >>I hate to see you waste money on the CuteFTP, so have you tried >>contacting their support staff? >> >>If you still want to try another FTP program, I use WS_FTP both at >>home and at work. They used to have a free version, but now it's >>$35. >> >>I also have recently had to use WinSCP for an online class that I >>took. It was either free: >> >> >>Here's a page of FTP programs w/ reviews, prices, and downloads: >> >> >>Good luck and Happy Birthday! >>~mary >> >> >> >>>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:19 +0100 >>>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>>Subject: [h-cost] FTP program off topic. >>> >>>Hi >>>Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for >>>uploading >>>files to my website. But i have problems with this program. This is >>>the >>>second time it shots down and claims that my trial version has >>>expired, even >>>though i have baught use of it for 2 years. >>>I am pissed off (sorry) >>>Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more >>>friendly to use? >>> >>>Bjarne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>===== >>"Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." >>~ Jane Austen >> >>"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've >>forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 13:30:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DIUN9u028509 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:30:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DITC2L006510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DIT2Zh078165; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DISswt077848 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f89.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.137]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 14D095EE064 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:28:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c4f99d$bac76d30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:28:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my birthday X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Thanks a lot for all your greetings, it wasnt intended that you should know about this, but well......... I am very pleased for all your wishes. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 13:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DIcVeI028592 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:38:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DIbZ2L007348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:37:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DIbHbF085389; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:37:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DIbCNE085241 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:37:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1df.32df94ae (4262) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1df.32df94ae.2f1819cf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/662/Tue Jan 11 06:52:19 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/13/2005 11:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Teddy@mdx.ac.uk writes: that can be given to this person so they can take it away and do their research Here is the Library of Congress info for the catalogue from the "Man and the Horse" exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum. Ann Wass Personal Name: Mackay-Smith, Alexander. Main Title: Man and the horse : an illustrated history of equestrian apparel / Alexander Mackay-Smith, Jean R. Druesedow, Thomas Ryder. Published/Created: New York : Metropolitan Museum of Art : Simon and Schuster, 1984. Related Names: Druesedow, Jean R. Ryder, Thomas. Costume Institute (New York, N.Y.) Description: 127 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 29 cm. ISBN: 0870994115 : 0671555200 (Simon and Schuster) : Notes: "Published in connection with an exhibition at the Costume Institute of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, from December 3, 1984, through September 1, 1985"--T.p. verso. Subjects: Horsemen and horsewomen--Costume. Horsemanship--Equipment and supplies. Riding habit. LC Classification: GT5885 .M33 1984 Dewey Class No.: 391/.0088798 19 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 15:35:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DKZPOO029256 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DKY22L021490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DKXsXo088892; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:33:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DKXXan088573 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CpBeu-0006sS-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:33:32 -0800 Message-ID: <012201c4f9af$2af5a070$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: , "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:33:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0DKZPOO029256 Status: RO I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I need a high necked doublet of some sort as rapier armour. I'm fully aware of the many late 16th century women's doublets, but my persona is living in Paris in 1630-1635. So far I haven't found any sign of high necked bodices in this time period. Am I just not looking in the right places or am I going to have to time travel to make my rapier armour? I have made something very similar to a man's doublet for this time that I have been using, but would really like to have something correct for a woman if something high-necked exists. thanks, Melusine d'Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:07:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DL7BW2029420 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DL6E2L024897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DL5Vio016509; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DL5Rd5016419 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA900G5XX90LI@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.80] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.50]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:24 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Even though Victorian is WAAYYY to modern for my costumes, I think I might get this pattern for the fitting help. I am 5'5", 120lbs, a 36 B chest, 30" waist, 38" around the largest point of my hip/ bum, broadshouldered (17 1/2"), long armed, long torsoed, and short rise. Maybe this will help me make a properly fitted 'muslin'?? Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris > You won't be sorry. That 'couple of extra bucks' is priceless to > me. As I said earlier, I'm broadshouldered (17") and am an A cup > AND extremely short-waisted so not an easy fit. Their patterns > make it so :) > Chris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:26:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLQiKY029544 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DLQ02L026838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLPq11034312; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tombstone.b.org.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLPmtX034225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 4687 invoked by uid 1057); 13 Jan 2005 21:25:45 -0000 Received: from 203.79.122.104 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. 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References: <000401c4f966$e555ea90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c4f966$e555ea90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Have you tried FileZilla? I use it and have no problems whatsoever. I don't know the URL but if you Google for it, you should find it no problem. Alternatively, you can write to customer service at CuteFTP2 and see if they will help you. Good luck! Melissa Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > Could someone help me? I have purchased CuteFTP6 Proffesional for > uploading files to my website. But i have problems with this program. > This is the second time it shots down and claims that my trial version > has expired, even though i have baught use of it for 2 years. > I am pissed off (sorry) > Does any have any other programmes wich are better and more friendly to > use? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:44:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLijn8029713 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:44:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DLcS2L028380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:38:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLcEOR045460; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0DLc1HG045203 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:38:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 21:37:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113213409.0149a528@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:38:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet In-Reply-To: <012201c4f9af$2af5a070$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:33 13/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I need a high necked doublet of some >sort as rapier armour. I'm fully aware of the many late 16th century >women's doublets, but my persona is living in Paris in 1630-1635. So far >I haven't found any sign of high necked bodices in this time period. Am I >just not looking in the right places or am I going to have to time travel >to make my rapier armour? I have made something very similar to a man's >doublet for this time that I have been using, but would really like to >have something correct for a woman if something high-necked exists. Have you looked at the patterns in "Cut of Women's Clothes" by Norah Waugh.? There are a couple of high necked bodices there, about 1610. Also there are a lot of embroidered jackets from that period, mostly domestic in wear, but you could adapt the pattern for your doublet. Look at "Margaret Layton + Jacket" on a search - it is in the collection at the V and A. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:45:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLjifd029728 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:45:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DLib2L029103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLiWNH051286; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLiSFF051224 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:44:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CpClY-0007ng-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:44:28 -0800 Message-ID: <014c01c4f9b9$143f1140$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113213409.0149a528@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:44:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 12:33 13/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I need a high necked doublet of some >>sort as rapier armour. (snip)> > Have you looked at the patterns in "Cut of Women's Clothes" by Norah > Waugh.? There are a couple of high necked bodices there, about 1610. Also > there are a lot of embroidered jackets from that period, mostly domestic > in wear, but you could adapt the pattern for your doublet. Look at > "Margaret Layton + Jacket" on a search - it is in the collection at the V > and A. > > Suzi I've looked at those, but there was a real change in styles about 1620, and I'm tryiing to find something on the later side of that date if possible. Thank you, though, I've been looking for a better picture of that jacket than I currently have, for another project. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:48:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLmnHA029758 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DLmE2L029501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLmDf9054521; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLm6fi054328 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.120] (pm7-120.eos.net [205.133.149.120]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0DLlwxA023613 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:42:51 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501131902.j0DJ2lVF008724@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne's birthday X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Many happy returns of the day! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 16:56:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLuESl029795 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DLtQ2L000438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLtKLu060551; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DLtIHs060450 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so214308wra for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:55:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nH++V0RXkiZoxR/HEk7wZB7xV5f8jI6v/j1HuVeHx8V+DOAoHQd2Y1Hx7tMK0zLXQmndsSd2n04IvMcMCDxRZVA+rVwdmc5opHcH3khltjzThGGGrWHt8uQvQZU5XbPfC94pkk+Mp+Cx9Wq/L9bIhEHpA74/eO7TnPhoN7cBTsc= Received: by 10.54.10.70 with SMTP id 70mr59765wrj; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05011313555f446cf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:55:12 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle period patterns In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Get on their website and check out what they have. They have patterns from as early as the 1830s, maybe earlier (not my interest so I've ignored them). trulyvictorian.com LynnD trying to get used to my new mail program On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:24 -0500, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > Even though Victorian is WAAYYY to modern for my costumes, I think I might get this pattern for the fitting help. > > I am 5'5", 120lbs, a 36 B chest, 30" waist, 38" around the largest point of my hip/ bum, broadshouldered (17 1/2"), long armed, long torsoed, and short rise. > > Maybe this will help me make a properly fitted 'muslin'?? > > Katheryne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > > You won't be sorry. That 'couple of extra bucks' is priceless to > > me. As I said earlier, I'm broadshouldered (17") and am an A cup > > AND extremely short-waisted so not an easy fit. Their patterns > > make it so :) > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 20:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E1K7Eq032558 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:20:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E1Ia2L023685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E1IDwU020452; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E1IB8C020395 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12f.548ca79e (3940) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.548ca79e.2f1877cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:18:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:45:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: > I've looked at those, but there was a real change in styles about 1620, and > > I'm tryiing to find something on the later side of that date if possible. > > Check out English sources. Isn''t Cromwell in charge about the time you want? He's like 1650s I think. There should be some closed up Puritanical jackets for women then. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 13 22:09:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E39OfU001829 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E3872L004243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:08:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E37uFr088834; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E37mkF088686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0E4GC8G014546 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:16:12 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780ies stays Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:28:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501132228.08567.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 13 January 2005 9:55 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: [snip] > Also i uploaded a picture of the lace i have reconstrukted after Fashion in > Detail page 93, the sleave with the beautifull chenille embroidery. My lace > is slightly bigger, i cant make such a tiny lace as the original, would > take two long, and also would be very difficult to get thread for this. All > the lace is made in silk thread, included the chenille gimp. You *made* that lace? Wow. I'm really impressed, Bjarne, it's stunningly beautiful. By the way, Happy Birthday! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 02:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7FjoM018596 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E7EO2L022718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:14:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7EErX031731; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7EBRK031693 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:14:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA08987 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:21:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: Historical Costume Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:21:24 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.66 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric paint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to paint it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would hold up to the weather and washing. Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 02:54:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7skmx026609 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E7s72L025343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7rsAZ052749; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:54:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E7rfYe052618 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FD1B33F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:53:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050113234202.00b0e1c8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:53:34 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint In-Reply-To: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:21 AM 1/14/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. >with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or >do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to >paint >it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would >hold up to the weather and washing. > >Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? > >Roscelin Hi Roscelin, I made Tudor Roses for a friend years ago (mid nineties?), and painted them using basic acrylic craft paints. It was when fabric paints as we know them now were very new and expensive compared to basic paints, so I didn't use them. I did coat them with spray sealer to protect the paint. My friend didn't wash the TRs, just wiped them down every now and again. She would pin the TRs to banners or table covers to liven up our QE1 court. I used a gesso first on the unwashed canvas, as washed canvas came out too limp. Gesso (or even one coat of basic white acrylic) helps the colored paints to adhere to the canvas better. My friend still used the TRs a few years ago when I visited her court at San Bernadino, which made me happy to see them still going strong then. I don't know if they are still surviving. I have recently used fabric paints, and love them for clothing. They are washable, and hold up well to regular fabric washings. They also do not make the fabric any stiffer than they already are. I know basic acrylic paints can crack and peel if washed, as an old shirt I did in high school drama did that in just a few months of washings (way before fabric paints). My suggestion is to use either method, depending on how much you must wash the underlying fabric, how soft that fabric is normally, and if it matters if you need the paint to remain soft and pliable, or not. I am working on a family banner for next faire season, and we are using gessoed canvas and craft acrylics again, because the banners need to survive outside, be stiff, and not need any washings. Your choice may be different. Good luck! Kimiko Kimiko Small "Lady of the Wardrobe" for Isle of Mann Guild Regional CIRGA Ambassador: Central Valley Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 03:04:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E84Jrn026637 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:04:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E83a2L026031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:03:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E83WBk058512; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E83SYo058469 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CpMQZ-0001zd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:03:27 -0800 Message-ID: <02a401c4fa0f$8fb984d0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050113234202.00b0e1c8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:03:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint > At 02:21 AM 1/14/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, >>etc. >>with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique >>or >>do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to >>paint >>it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint >>would >>hold up to the weather and washing. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? >> >>Roscelin Around here we've had great luck using a polyester fabric called Silkessence and regular acrylic craft paint, the kind that come in little bottles, for banners. It holds up just fine. I have friends who have banners done this way, and they're still looking good after 15+ years. Our group's tableclothes are painted with fabric paint and they're looking pretty good still. I think they're about 10 years old. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 03:39:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E8d1KJ026812 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E8c82L027854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E8c1bC077236; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E8bvrm077093 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bee8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.232]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 06B0047FE85 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:37:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002501c4fa14$5ac709a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12f.548ca79e.2f1877cb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi My 2 cents, i looked trough my costume books and could not find any, but recently i watched Molly Sweney on video tape. It starts in the restauration period and ends in the late 17th century. You can se how the fashion changes, and i think there are some jackets/ doublets two. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet > In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:45:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: > >> I've looked at those, but there was a real change in styles about 1620, >> and >> >> I'm tryiing to find something on the later side of that date if >> possible. >> >> > > Check out English sources. Isn''t Cromwell in charge about the time you > want? > He's like 1650s I think. There should be some closed up Puritanical > jackets > for women then. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 04:24:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E9Op66027479 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0E9OB2L001329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E9O6Ej000767; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0E9O3wr000491 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0E9NQ203186.; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:23:26 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:23:26 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:22:55 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 14/01/2005 01:18:03 >>> wrote: >Check out English sources. Isn''t Cromwell in charge about the time you want? >He's like 1650s I think. There should be some closed up Puritanical jackets >for women then. Melusine asked for 1630s, which was very much the heyday of Charles I. I've been looking for a decent reproduction on the Internet of Mytens' painting "Charles I and Henrietta Maria departing for the chase" which should show ladies' riding costume, but without success. Wouldn't they in fact have worn something similar to the male doublet? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 06:14:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBEx53028900 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:14:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EBE42L009074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBDmmk056586; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBDkI9056446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22063D8315 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 23779-03 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D10CD80ED for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:02:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b801c4fa29$f432a760$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050113234202.00b0e1c8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:12:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint > At 02:21 AM 1/14/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, >>etc. >>with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique >>or >>do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to >>paint >>it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint >>would >>hold up to the weather and washing. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? >> >>Roscelin Guild > Regional CIRGA Ambassador: Central Valley > I make banners and floor cloths out of plain white canvas, which is given a background coat of cheap white outdoor latex paint. I then paint on the design, and cover the whole thing with several layers of clear acrylic. The back gets one coat of the white latex, and at least two coats of the clear acrylic. They just wipe clean. And these are floorcloths that are getting used outside, in early spring, in the Northeast, so yeah, they take plenty of abuse! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 06:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBMnbe029011 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EBM22L009681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBLucl060766; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBLnQ8060707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0EBFkTA012457 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:15:46 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:15:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E7AB47.1010608@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:21:43 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050113234202.00b0e1c8@64.87.54.245> <00b801c4fa29$f432a760$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> In-Reply-To: <00b801c4fa29$f432a760$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most of you probably know that you'll want to avoid the cute "dimensional" fabric paints sold in the little squeeze bottles. These don't stand up well by comparison to real fabric paint. I enjoy using those, but only on sweatshirts, etc. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 06:27:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBRB1Y029086 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:27:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EBQP2L009970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBQOGU063115; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBQJbu063064 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:26:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926E7@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - thread-index: AcT5o2MDxwVL5Xa8SeGg/lk0vxC8OQAiExGA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hmm. If they are in competition/showing, I got the feeling > that the requirements are very precise, down to the "hair bun > must be in a net, (Hairpieces allowed for Short hair)" Let me > do a quick google.. > > > again- http://www.sidesaddleinfo.com/attire.html > check out the attire sections > > http://www.arabianhorsefair.com/GoverningRules/generalrules.htm > skip down to "Equipment" > > www.equestrian.org maybe? > > Hoping to help- Betsy Many thanks! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 06:29:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBTLme029120 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EBSl2L010122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBSjWO064359; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EBSh52064344 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:28:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:28:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question. To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197926E9@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] history of womens equestrian fashion - Question. thread-index: AcT5o2MDxwVL5Xa8SeGg/lk0vxC8OQAiLblA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Here is the Library of Congress info for the catalogue from > the "Man and the > Horse" exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum. > Ann Wass Great! Thanks Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 08:33:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDXWs9031144 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:33:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EDWE2L025348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:32:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDW4nB023151; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDW0Fg023041 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9C8314700A6; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:31:52 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.119 ([209.131.81.119] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Jan 05 13:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4fa3d$843918e0$775183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113213409.0149a528@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:32:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are two nice jackets of the period in the latest issue of "Piecework" magazine. Wile embroidered, I think one would call them 'doublets'. Kathleen PS The issue is 'keeping warm'; there are other articles that should be of interest to h-costume topics.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet > At 12:33 13/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I need a high necked doublet of some > >sort as rapier armour. I'm fully aware of the many late 16th century > >women's doublets, but my persona is living in Paris in 1630-1635. So far > >I haven't found any sign of high necked bodices in this time period. Am I > >just not looking in the right places or am I going to have to time travel > >to make my rapier armour? I have made something very similar to a man's > >doublet for this time that I have been using, but would really like to > >have something correct for a woman if something high-necked exists. > > > Have you looked at the patterns in "Cut of Women's Clothes" by Norah > Waugh.? There are a couple of high necked bodices there, about 1610. Also > there are a lot of embroidered jackets from that period, mostly domestic in > wear, but you could adapt the pattern for your doublet. Look at "Margaret > Layton + Jacket" on a search - it is in the collection at the V and A. > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 08:56:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDuj1Q031543 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:56:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EDtx2L029933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:55:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDtuw7034014; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EDtqTU033935 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF62309700A2; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:55:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.119 ([209.131.81.119] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Jan 05 13:55:45 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c4fa40$dafbc300$775183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:56:31 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ot, fabric samples X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0EDuj1Q031543 Status: RO For the record, yesterday I received my complete packet of silk samples available from Dharma. WOW. I wanted to try a silk shoulder cover I had seen in Boston, but couldn't make up my mind about the weight of fabric. Now I have a myriad of projects scuttling about my brain. Their silk velvet is 18/82 silk and rayon and can be used for the Devore technique. The stretch Charmeuse is 95/5 silk and spandex. There are about 6 sheer weaves and weights to choose from.... and the beat goes on. Now for the dyes and paints! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 10:28:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFSwbZ000642 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EFRt2L010368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:27:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFRgcE089330; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFReqa089291 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CpTMR-0001QM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: <16965386.1105716459532.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Writing in relative ignorance: Browsing through the line drawings in Gorsline's "What People Wore," I see men's doublets dated 1629 and 1632 and a doublet-like bodice on an undated "Flemish lady" among drawings 1625-1634 (these are pp. 74-76 in the 1994 Dover) that would suggest you might be on safe ground with McCall's 4695 (men's doublets) and Butterick 4375 (woman's gown). That is if you're looking for a commercial pattern to adapt. I know you're beyond needing that, but...my two cents' worth. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 10:48:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFmsct000870 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EFla2L012766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFlVng002696; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFl4tq002380 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A9711CA700E2; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:57 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.57]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:55 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:46:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c4fa50$4733a0b0$39542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 15:46:55.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[46559CC0:01C4FA50] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've done Victorian, Medieval, and renaissance, but never 18c until now, and I'd appreciate some help from those who know. We all know what it's like to be starting out on unfamiliar territory. The date for the event is a 1780 ball. 1. My husband is a 6'6" weightlifter and we both think he'd look a little silly in one of those skinny, ultra-tight coats that were coming into vogue then. He'd much rather wear a fuller cut 1750-1760-ish coat. Can a middle-class American colonist get away with being 20-30 years behind the height of fashion? 2. On a robe polonaise, it appears that there are no panniers under there, but there's still a noticeable bouffant effect. How is this accomplished? Lots of petticoats? Stiff fabric? Bumroll? Link to photo of dress. I realize that the dress has been modified in the 19th century, but it's a good illustration of the silhouette. 3. Does anyone have recommendations for patterns, including underclothes? 4. What trimming would be appropriate on a man's dress coat for the period? I've seen gorgeous embroideries in the Kyoto Institute Fashion book, but sadly I am not quite that talented. 5. Any other warnings, hints, tips etc. Thanks very much. I appreciate the assistance. Sandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 10:59:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFxA8W000969 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EFwK2L013895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFwGJ5010229; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:58:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EFwCun010125 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip10.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0EFw6oV000728 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:58:06 -0500 Received: from c68.185.168.55.mad.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (68.185.168.55) by mxip10.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2005 10:58:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3k77vd$g3cfpa@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,125,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="540426026:sNHT30274180" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:58:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcT6CQZEDwKMJIwjQHKdv1LzGa8WDwASGhyA X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I made a banner of our coat of arms for our Guilde two years ago and used fabric paint in a stencil to make the background for it (vail I think? It was a light blue shield shape). I used a stencil paint which said it was for fabric as well? Anyhow, it was in a small jar and more of a solid than liquid. IIRC, once it was dried for 24 hours you set it with an iron, and then had to wait a week before laundering. It has stood up great so far! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of roscelin Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:21 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Fabric paint I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to paint it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would hold up to the weather and washing. Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 11:11:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EGBvkE001149 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EGBL2L015409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EGBItX020144; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EGBF5b020114 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CpU2c-00005P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3927345.1105719074449.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Olsen >... >The date for the event is a 1780 ball. >1. My husband is a 6'6" weightlifter and we both think he'd look a >little silly in one of those skinny, ultra-tight coats that were coming >into vogue then. He'd much rather wear a fuller cut 1750-1760-ish coat. >Can a middle-class American colonist get away with being 20-30 years >behind the height of fashion?.... When I costumed a production of THE RIVALS (1775), I put Sir Lucius O'Trigger in the fuller-cut coat, reasoning that just as he was a stickler for the traditional rules of the duel, and an IRISH gentleman, he would cling to the fashion of his younger days, in which he presumably continued to find himself a dashing figure, and demand that his tailor comply. Certainly he felt that wooing a 17-year-old girl was appropriate for him although Mrs. Malaprop seems to have considered herself the fitting match, so I guessed that in his own view he hadn't changed in twenty or thirty years. As far as I can see, fashion change is a process over time (although sometimes a short time, particularly when a monarch or pop star takes up a particular "look"), and there are always a few avant-garde and plenty of die-hards bracketing the process. As a costumer (rather than a clothing historian) I'd think giving your husband the same garb philosophy as I gave Sir Lucius, or an attitude of being set in his ways, would be not merely acceptable but even a choice of substance. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 11:15:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EGFQ76001178 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EGEk2L015788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EGEiwI022773; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0EGEa5G022601 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 16:14:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050114160910.0149b330@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:16:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help In-Reply-To: <000801c4fa50$4733a0b0$39542fd8@Sandra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:46 14/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I've done Victorian, Medieval, and renaissance, but never 18c until now, >and I'd appreciate some help from those who know. We all know what it's >like to be starting out on unfamiliar territory. > >The date for the event is a 1780 ball. >1. My husband is a 6'6" weightlifter and we both think he'd look a >little silly in one of those skinny, ultra-tight coats that were coming >into vogue then. He'd much rather wear a fuller cut 1750-1760-ish coat. >Can a middle-class American colonist get away with being 20-30 years >behind the height of fashion? >2. On a robe polonaise, it appears that there are no panniers under >there, but there's still a noticeable bouffant effect. How is this >accomplished? Lots of petticoats? Stiff fabric? Bumroll? Link > This printed cotton dress has a bum roll underneath in all probability. There is a cartoon by Cruickshank which shows this kind of shape. You could also use a small pair of pocket hoops. >3. Does anyone have recommendations for patterns, including >underclothes? You can find all the patterns you need in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett if you can use and enlarge grid patterns. The title is misleading. Jean researched real clothes before making the patterns, which are all based on original garments, but adjusted to make them fit modern bodies, which are different. For the corset, there are several that would be suitable in "Corsets and Crinolines" by Norah Waugh, where you would also find pocket hoops. >4. What trimming would be appropriate on a man's dress coat for the >period? I've seen gorgeous embroideries in the Kyoto Institute Fashion >book, but sadly I am not quite that talented. >5. Any other warnings, hints, tips etc. Tiny tip - if you are attaching a bodice to a skirt, make the bodice a fraction short - the weight of the skirt will hold it down, and the back will not wrinkle as it sits on the waistband of the petticoat, underskirt, pocket hoops etc, all of which push the waist of the dress up. Suzi, who makes *lots* of this era. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 13:19:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EIJBBe001944 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EIIL2L000154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:18:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EII9s1022112; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EII6lc021993 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c5.21e97608 (4004) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.21e97608.2f1966d5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:17:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/14/2005 11:20:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: > As a costumer (rather than a clothing historian) I'd think giving your > husband the same garb philosophy as I gave Sir Lucius, or an attitude of being > set in his ways, would be not merely acceptable but even a choice of substance. > > I agree. But if your husband has major pecs and a small waist he will look great in those narrow coats. A pigeon breast and sway back is the fashion for men then. In the period they even pad the breast a bit and, even though the coat is covered with buttons and button holes, only like 2 button holes will be cut...at the curve of the breast. Or none...with a hook and eye at the curve. Just don't make it TOO narrow. Keep it kinda equestrian in feel...some leather maybe [collar and cuffs] and riding boots and he'll be a HUNK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 14:18:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJItpj002336 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:18:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EJIA2L006990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJI0kK072271; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJ9YuI065222 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bee8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.232]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BF43147FEA4 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c4fa6c$a5a19aa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c4fa50$4733a0b0$39542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sandra, Off cause your husband could come in an oldfashioned jacket. Have you not seen some of the Austen movies? Several of the gentlemen wears old fashions and i think it is very authentic. In a small place like Denmark, people from the province was way behind fashion sometimes years. You could make your husbands jacket plain, without any decoration at all, this is very nice also, and was also very much used. Only the buttonholes and the buttons for decoration. About your underwear, i am making right now underwear for an anglaise dress. I think i have hit the right shape for my type of anglaise dress. Bumrolls came in various shapes and sizes, there was not uniform in those. It depended of your taste and mind. I made the bumroll of a square piece of material, bias cut and folded. In each end i have made 2 darts. Then i have only lightly stuffed the "roll" and i have made it about 35cm deep. It is nearly nothing in the front, but curves out in the sides and is biggest in the back. My bodice has a long v in the back, and the v is supposed to rest on the bumroll in the back. If you will be patience, ill post some pictures later. For the corset i have made the 1780ies one in Norah Waughs book. This you can se here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/late If you want a commercial pattern, i would recomend to use the butterick pattern of late 1700 stays, this is very near the real one i have remade. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help > I've done Victorian, Medieval, and renaissance, but never 18c until now, > and I'd appreciate some help from those who know. We all know what it's > like to be starting out on unfamiliar territory. > > The date for the event is a 1780 ball. > 1. My husband is a 6'6" weightlifter and we both think he'd look a > little silly in one of those skinny, ultra-tight coats that were coming > into vogue then. He'd much rather wear a fuller cut 1750-1760-ish coat. > Can a middle-class American colonist get away with being 20-30 years > behind the height of fashion? > 2. On a robe polonaise, it appears that there are no panniers under > there, but there's still a noticeable bouffant effect. How is this > accomplished? Lots of petticoats? Stiff fabric? Bumroll? Link > > to photo of dress. I realize that the dress has been modified in the > 19th century, but it's a good illustration of the silhouette. > 3. Does anyone have recommendations for patterns, including > underclothes? > 4. What trimming would be appropriate on a man's dress coat for the > period? I've seen gorgeous embroideries in the Kyoto Institute Fashion > book, but sadly I am not quite that talented. > 5. Any other warnings, hints, tips etc. > > Thanks very much. I appreciate the assistance. > > Sandra > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 14:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJMu4I002372 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EJLf2L007383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJLbRi075186; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EJHaao071920 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527CC2AC9A for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4B057C for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:37:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:37:28 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:37:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:37:28 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03C8563E@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 Thread-Index: AcT6K6OODowcsnc7REOpAhFW3X3EoAAOp4sA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 18:37:28.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[19884400:01C4FA68] X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0EJHaao071920 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Even though Victorian is WAAYYY to modern for my costumes, I think I might > get this pattern for the fitting help. > > I am 5'5", 120lbs, a 36 B chest, 30" waist, 38" around the largest point > of my hip/ bum, broadshouldered (17 1/2"), long armed, long torsoed, and > short rise. > > Maybe this will help me make a properly fitted 'muslin'?? I wouldn't recommend it, unless you're doing the Victorian-esque curvy-corseted fashions, rather then the Tudor tubular-corseted fashions. Sorry, I'm not being comprehensible -- what I'm trying to get at is that Victorian corsetry was going for a very different shape from the Elizabethan-1780 corsetry whose emphasis tended to be more cylindrical/flat front (either flattening the bust or pushing it up). Victorian corsetry tended to emphasize the waist-hips-bust/shoulder differentials. I wouldn't try to adapt these patterns unless you're starting from a Victorian style corset shape because there would be way more tweaking then it would be worth to adapt the pattern(s) to an earlier corset shape. Just to throw my 2 cents into the earlier discussion -- I too have used and loved the TV patterns! :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 15:32:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EKW7sc002831 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:32:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EKUr2L014298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EKUfQG029123; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EKUc8r028976 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABE7570500A8; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:30:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Jan 05 20:30:30 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4fa78$007e1920$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03C8563E@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:31:16 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And I concur. I was forced to do this on the fly in December and the results was WayBad! And I was only trying to put a dress 150 years advanced on such a corset (Ren.). Trying to do this with an additional 100 advance again would be difficult and silly, indeed. If the occasion arises again, I will certainly insist the model wear the proper corset for the period. If the undergarment is an incidental, I might suggest you check out the 'Romantic" model at Frederick's of Hollywood. Depending on what you want the corset to 'do', it at least is close in construction to the antiques of the last quarter of the 19th C. Be sure not to look at their' merry widows' as this shaping will not be seen until almost the 1950's and would be as bad for the time period as the 17th and 18th C modes. You haven't mentioned your project time structure. (When is the event?) Do you have the time to approach your design from the inside, out? Kathleen Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 > > > Even though Victorian is WAAYYY to modern for my costumes, I think I > might > > get this pattern for the fitting help. > > > > I am 5'5", 120lbs, a 36 B chest, 30" waist, 38" around the largest > point > > of my hip/ bum, broadshouldered (17 1/2"), long armed, long torsoed, > and > > short rise. > > > > Maybe this will help me make a properly fitted 'muslin'?? > > I wouldn't recommend it, unless you're doing the Victorian-esque > curvy-corseted fashions, rather then the Tudor tubular-corseted > fashions. > > Sorry, I'm not being comprehensible -- what I'm trying to get at is that > Victorian corsetry was going for a very different shape from the > Elizabethan-1780 corsetry whose emphasis tended to be more > cylindrical/flat front (either flattening the bust or pushing it up). > Victorian corsetry tended to emphasize the waist-hips-bust/shoulder > differentials. I wouldn't try to adapt these patterns unless you're > starting from a Victorian style corset shape because there would be way > more tweaking then it would be worth to adapt the pattern(s) to an > earlier corset shape. > > Just to throw my 2 cents into the earlier discussion -- I too have used > and loved the TV patterns! :-) > -sunny > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 16:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ELjDEu003777 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ELiK2L022072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ELi1nR087993; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ELhwNO087945 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7908F330EF for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p169.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.216.171]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 33C42D3EA for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:43:52 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:43:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do not know of your research on tablecloths, but from mine I have not found (yet) any that bears coats of arms, except a white on white embroidery. Most cases I have seen a coloured undercloth and a white over cloth on the table. I have seen where the tablecloth is of a colour. In the 1500's Persian rugs were used in manors as tablecovers. Whether they were eaten off of I do not know. If you have docs. on CoA on tablecloths I would love to have it for my files. I have seen bands of embroidery or woven on tablecloths, mostly "Italian" paintings, normally 4 or more inches above the hem and only along the longest width. What I have been told but have no docs. on it, that most French areas preferred white on white embroidery on tablecloths and whatnots, though closer to the coastal areas the there was some colours in the embroidery. I have not found any appliqué or painted tablecloths (doesn't mean there wasn't any, just that no info has crossed my path for such). I would recommend undercloths of the Company's colors and white overcloths with tassels on the four corners for weight (recommend Scotguarding). As for the banner. If this is for indoor banner/wallhanging you could appliqué with fusible webbing or fabric glue (note: you could get a leopard print material or yellow fabric and paint the spots). Then you can either a. couch gold or silver thread b. split stitch, or c. stem stitch around the edges (and tacking down) of the appliqué. Glued appliqué with couched or embroidered edge can be found in the 15th and 16th century. The base fabric should not be light weight as the glue will stiffen the fabric and it will not look right. It will be washable. Otherwise you have been recommended the fabric paints which work well. If the banner is for outdoors then I would recommend the paint. Hope everything comes together for you and that everything goes smoothly and quickly. De -----Original Message----- I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to paint it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would hold up to the weather and washing. Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 18:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENCBpD005071 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:12:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0EN9w2L004122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:09:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EN9bUW058961; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0EN9Z65058937 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.250] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpaZS-0006UL-Ov for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c4fa8e$18c39f30$fa159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c4fa50$4733a0b0$39542fd8@Sandra> <002401c4fa6c$a5a19aa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:09:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0ba21c81ea232668beee5504d88e95af47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.250 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For an American colonist, ca 1780, a coat twenty or so years out of fashion might even be considered a political statement... Good luck with the projects, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 18:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENHxHv005149 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ENGx2L005291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENGsQo064975; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENG7Xr064299 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A2A91DD000E2; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:15:53 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.38]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:15:52 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c4fa8e$fe8d9c50$26542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1c5.21e97608.2f1966d5@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 23:15:53.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE4DD430:01C4FA8E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO He's not a bodybuilder with zero fat and a wasp waist, but he's got some major shoulders, chest and arms. It's not for nothing that his friends call him "Thor" (he's Norwegian) and "The Wall of Meat." I'm nervous about him looking like he was stuffed into something too small. If you've got any links or images for equestrian costume, I'd be VERY interested! I've never heard of using leather on the collar and cuffs, but he would *love* it. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help In a message dated 1/14/2005 11:20:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: > As a costumer (rather than a clothing historian) I'd think giving your > husband the same garb philosophy as I gave Sir Lucius, or an attitude of being > set in his ways, would be not merely acceptable but even a choice of substance. > > I agree. But if your husband has major pecs and a small waist he will look great in those narrow coats. A pigeon breast and sway back is the fashion for men then. In the period they even pad the breast a bit and, even though the coat is covered with buttons and button holes, only like 2 button holes will be cut...at the curve of the breast. Or none...with a hook and eye at the curve. Just don't make it TOO narrow. Keep it kinda equestrian in feel...some leather maybe [collar and cuffs] and riding boots and he'll be a HUNK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 18:20:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENKitF005192 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ENJv2L005794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENJuDo067281; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENIjaU066441 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A3541DDE00E2; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:18:44 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.38]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:18:43 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:18:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c4fa8f$636afdc0$26542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002401c4fa6c$a5a19aa0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 23:18:44.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[6452ECC0:01C4FA8F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After seeing some of the other things you've made, I will wait as long as it takes to see pictures of the bumroll you're describing. It sounds like it's not too hard to assemble... I'm curious about where the darts go. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help Hi Sandra, Off cause your husband could come in an oldfashioned jacket. Have you not seen some of the Austen movies? Several of the gentlemen wears old fashions and i think it is very authentic. In a small place like Denmark, people from the province was way behind fashion sometimes years. You could make your husbands jacket plain, without any decoration at all, this is very nice also, and was also very much used. Only the buttonholes and the buttons for decoration. About your underwear, i am making right now underwear for an anglaise dress. I think i have hit the right shape for my type of anglaise dress. Bumrolls came in various shapes and sizes, there was not uniform in those. It depended of your taste and mind. I made the bumroll of a square piece of material, bias cut and folded. In each end i have made 2 darts. Then i have only lightly stuffed the "roll" and i have made it about 35cm deep. It is nearly nothing in the front, but curves out in the sides and is biggest in the back. My bodice has a long v in the back, and the v is supposed to rest on the bumroll in the back. If you will be patience, ill post some pictures later. For the corset i have made the 1780ies one in Norah Waughs book. This you can se here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/late If you want a commercial pattern, i would recomend to use the butterick pattern of late 1700 stays, this is very near the real one i have remade. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Request for 1770-1780 help > I've done Victorian, Medieval, and renaissance, but never 18c until now, > and I'd appreciate some help from those who know. We all know what it's > like to be starting out on unfamiliar territory. > > The date for the event is a 1780 ball. > 1. My husband is a 6'6" weightlifter and we both think he'd look a > little silly in one of those skinny, ultra-tight coats that were coming > into vogue then. He'd much rather wear a fuller cut 1750-1760-ish coat. > Can a middle-class American colonist get away with being 20-30 years > behind the height of fashion? > 2. On a robe polonaise, it appears that there are no panniers under > there, but there's still a noticeable bouffant effect. How is this > accomplished? Lots of petticoats? Stiff fabric? Bumroll? Link > > to photo of dress. I realize that the dress has been modified in the > 19th century, but it's a good illustration of the silhouette. > 3. Does anyone have recommendations for patterns, including > underclothes? > 4. What trimming would be appropriate on a man's dress coat for the > period? I've seen gorgeous embroideries in the Kyoto Institute Fashion > book, but sadly I am not quite that talented. > 5. Any other warnings, hints, tips etc. > > Thanks very much. I appreciate the assistance. > > Sandra > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 18:50:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENov3v005753 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:50:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ENoF2L010959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENo6iC091933; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:50:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mattdrury.net (mattdrury.net [68.142.30.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ENo0kD091536 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from widowweeds@cs.com) Received: from Spooler by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO000613; 14 Jan 2005 18:50:01 -0500 Received: from spooler by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 14 Jan 2005 18:49:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (68.142.30.226) by mattdrury.net (Mercury/32 v4.01a) with ESMTP ID MG000612; 14 Jan 2005 18:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <41E85A8F.50808@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:49:35 -0500 From: Widow Weeds User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FTP program off topic. References: <000401c4f966$e555ea90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c4f966$e555ea90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WS-FTP should still have a free-for-personal-use version floating about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 20:40:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0F1exaX007426 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:40:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0F1bm2L020319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:37:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0F1bZjw054917; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0F1bV4o054892 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cpcsd-0006qM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:37:31 -0800 Message-ID: <03de01c4faa2$d1d3c860$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:37:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Womans 17th cen. Doublet > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > Melusine asked for 1630s, which was very much the heyday of Charles I. > I've been looking for a decent reproduction on the Internet of Mytens' > painting "Charles I and Henrietta Maria departing for the chase" which > should show ladies' riding costume, but without success. Wouldn't they > in fact have worn something similar to the male doublet? If this is the painting I'm thinking of, I have a slide of it somewhere, but unfortunately no way to put it on my computer. If it is, she's wearing what looks like a regular low-cut silk dress, with teh addition of gloves, a collar tied around the neck and a wide-brimmed hat. I've also been told that women of this time often rode astride in their dresses. Can anyone give me any direction to look for that information? Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 14 20:44:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0F1iURq007503 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0F1hP2L020767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0F1hMHE057914; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0F1dZvN055926 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp810.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 01:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <41E8745F.5030109@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:39:43 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint References: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> In-Reply-To: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/664/Thu Jan 13 08:13:05 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelin wrote: > I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. > with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or > do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to paint > it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would > hold up to the weather and washing. > > Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? > > Roscelin All considerations of 'periodness' aside, I have had good luck with Trigger brand polyester and Liquitex acryllic paints. I have also used liquitex on canvas chair seats - no surface prep at all. All have held up well. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 07:00:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FC0HnJ013179 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0FBx22L001876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FBwjTJ040248; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:58:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0FBwKwd039909 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22586 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2005 11:58:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20050115115814.22584.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.47] by web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:58:14 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:58:14 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41E8745F.5030109@fenris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric paint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote:roscelin wrote: > I hope someone can help me. I need to put together a banner, tablecloth, etc. > with my persona's device. The Tudor rose would be no problem to applique or > do needlework, but the spotted leopard is the problem. My thought was to paint > it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would > hold up to the weather and washing. > > Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts? All considerations of 'periodness' aside, I have had good luck with Trigger brand polyester and Liquitex acryllic paints. I have also used liquitex on canvas chair seats - no surface prep at all. All have held up well. liz young REPLY If I may contribute to this Thread? In the past 2 years - starting from little more than a few weapons, one or two borrowed tents, and our clothes, - our Companie has had great need to produce as many "props" as possible, as fast as possible. The Household Banners I have produced have been painted on a base of Bishop's Lawn linen with "Le Franc & Bourgeois" fabric paints. This creates a flag light enough to "fly" in almost any zeyphr. However, those of you who wish to try this method, beware! Once you begin to colour-in a large area, you must keep the "leading edge" wet, and work very fast. Because if the leading edge dries, you will get a colour-line showing when the flag flies "against the light". Furthermore, this method demands intense concentration, as I found to my cost. One mistake - and you have to throw out the whole workpiece and start again! And for the variously-sized House escutcheons for outer clothing, and table-linens, I have cheated - using "Paint Shop Pro 7" to design each escutcheon, and then printing them out as "iron-on transfers" to be applied to a linen base, and then "tacked" to each item of clothing, and to the tablecloths. When items are washed, the escutcheon patches are removed, for they would quickly fade in the wash, - and then tacked-back-into-place after laundering. It would be wonderful to have the time to create all these items by needlework techniques; - but all our Companie's needlewomen are so busy filling the gaps in our Wardrobe, that there are simply not enough skilled hands - or time - available for this task, at the moment. A programme of gradual replacement-substitution is planned for the future. Eventually. When the "pressure is off" and our display is sufficienty colourful. In the meantime, our paying Clients and our viewing public seem happy enough with the colourful facsimile results; - and 99% of them wouldn't know the difference anyway. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 17:47:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FMlEBn020577 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0FMkE2L017181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FMk5t8062468; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FMk2Xw062436 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-38lc26c.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.8.204]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cpwg9-0002aW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:45:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050115115814.22584.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050115115814.22584.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:20:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:58 AM +0000 1/15/05, julian wilson wrote: >The Household Banners I have produced have been painted on a base of >Bishop's Lawn linen with "Le Franc & Bourgeois" fabric paints. This >creates a flag light enough to "fly" in almost any zeyphr. Gosh, Julian, if we could _find_ Bishop's Lawn linen, I can think of any number of uses it could be put to..... It's a constant quest on this side of the pond to find linen light enough and fine enough to be even an approximation of pre-1600 "fine linen." -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 18:42:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FNgd5S021433 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0FNfV2L021284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:41:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FNfSPd090589; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FNfQKZ090551 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34894334E1 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:41:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p370.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.116]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE793D4BE for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:41:24 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:41:33 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050115115814.22584.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Table linen was: Fabric paint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had forgot about the iron on method. :) What is your documentation for having escutcheon on the tablecloth? I am always interested in period ways to spruce up the feast hall's decor. I have not found anything showing escutcheons on tablelinen. and the earliest I have found embroidered with CoAs on the corners of napkins is 1767 , prior to that, 1621, initials. In the 1800s some manors, I think English, started stamping the underside of linens with the household badge or crest. Here in the states, the fabric companies think that there isn't a demand for linen. Most people I know have to order online for their linen. When a fabric store either accidentally get linen or it is ordered, the selection is limited and very expensive. My local group pooled together and ordered a bunch of natural colored linen. We were able to order enough to get it at $4.95 a yd. That kind of pricing is rare. I got very lucky and got the other day some low quality linen, lavender color and 60" wide for $6.50. I am looking to find enough people to in on ordering white handkerchief weight linen, so that I can make a chemise and not go broke in the process. :\ Maybe some of us can work a deal like some friends did a long time back. They have a friend in Wales. They would ship him leather in exchange for wool (at the time wool here was $25 and up a yd). There are embroiderers here that want linen embroidery floss but most companies that have it only sell the floss over there. Because of these problems we in the States have to work twice as hard to achieve historic copies and renditions on the material level. Okay, enough of the rambling and possible whining. De -----Original Message----- And for the variously-sized House escutcheons for outer clothing, and table-linens, I have cheated - using "Paint Shop Pro 7" to design each escutcheon, and then printing them out as "iron-on transfers" to be applied to a linen base, and then "tacked" to each item of clothing, and to the tablecloths. When items are washed, the escutcheon patches are removed, for they would quickly fade in the wash, - and then tacked-back-into-place after laundering. It would be wonderful to have the time to create all these items by needlework techniques; - but all our Companie's needlewomen are so busy filling the gaps in our Wardrobe, that there are simply not enough skilled hands - or time - available for this task, at the moment. A programme of gradual replacement-substitution is planned for the future. Eventually. When the "pressure is off" and our display is sufficienty colourful. In the meantime, our paying Clients and our viewing public seem happy enough with the colourful facsimile results; - and 99% of them wouldn't know the difference anyway. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 19:41:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G0f9Us022357 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G0e52L025234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G0dwMT018567; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0G0dtAu018488 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 30204 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 00:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116003949.30202.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.144.221] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:48 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:39:48 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawn linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris Laning wrote:At 11:58 AM +0000 1/15/05, julian wilson wrote: >The Household Banners I have produced have been painted on a base of >Bishop's Lawn linen with "Le Franc & Bourgeois" fabric paints. This >creates a flag light enough to "fly" in almost any zeyphr. Gosh, Julian, if we could _find_ Bishop's Lawn linen, I can think of any number of uses it could be put to..... It's a constant quest on this side of the pond to find linen light enough and fine enough to be even an approximation of pre-1600 "fine linen." REPLY Dear Chris, and any other Lister who is interested, if any of you wish to order Bishop's Lawn Linen, - here in Jersey, in St. helier, we have a *very* old-established Family Haberdashery shop named "Hamons", where I buy my own supplies. I'm sure the Proprietors will be delighted to supply you all. If anyone wants the address and phone number, then I'll happily post it for you all. The shelves are stacked with bolts of fabric from just above floor level to the 10ft-high ceiling; and there is barely room to move between them. I doubt if any of the extremely-knowledgeable female staff are younger than 55yrs-old, and most of them are real "Jersey-folk" with the inimitable Jersey accent accent. I suspect, from conversations I've overheard, that at least half of them still speak Jerrais, the patois of the island, - which only 8% of islanders still speak; - though for the last 10 years the Education Dept. has been trying to turn this situation around, instituting lessons in Jerrais in first the Primary-, and then the Secondary- Schools in our island. Hamon's staff seem to know most of their customers - some of whom have been dealing with the shop for decades - by their first names. There isn't a computer or a chrome-trimmed, Formica-covered counter in sight! My wife, [who is Jersey-born, on her mother's side from a Jersey family whose roots in the Island have been tracked back to 1204], tells me that she doesn't think Hamon's has changed at all in decor or layout, since the late-1940's; - and I've seen Edwardian-era photos of that part of King Street showing Hamon's looking exactly the same as it does now , [save for fresh paint]! It is a wonderful shop - like something from a time-warp. If you put the staff into late- Victorian dress, nothing else in the shop - save for some of the fabric designs - would seem "out-of-period"! Sadly, few "Family-owned" shops like this remain in St. Helier. Large numbers of such places have vanished from the Town over the last 40 years - though they were still common when I first came to Jersey on holiday in the late-1950's. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 20:32:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G1W851023002 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G1VR2L028996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G1VLSC043476; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0G1VIVe043409 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 87070 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 01:31:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116013112.87068.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.144.221] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:31:12 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:31:12 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Table linen was: Fabric paint To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/665/Fri Jan 14 13:49:38 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote:ISNIP What is your documentation for having escutcheon on the tablecloth? I am always interested in period ways to spruce up the feast hall's decor. I have not found anything showing escutcheons on tablelinen. REPLY OK, escutcheons on table-cloths and napkins. We use two sets of table-linen - because we do two types of performances at Gorey Castle, where for the last two years we have been limited to the open-air, in the Lower Ward. [That will change this year, as we have just been given leave to use other areas of the castle and "spread ourselves - which means we can now plan to use the various Chambers, including the medieval Great Hall, and the adjacent kitchens on the level below]. For the first type of display, we have been creating what can be loosely-termed "one of Governor Baker's hunting-Camps" in the Lower Ward; - and for this we use fine damasks in white or cream for the high table and slightly-lesser-quality cloths for the middle table, at our noonmeals, - the items having been donated to us by our Mistress of the Robes, Lady Berna de la Fontaine. For these "in-camp-noonmeals", we go through all the motions, - with Companions eating according to "rank and class" and re-enacting Servitors as required. Table-ware is also graded according to Rank in these displays. Those Companions who act as servants under the direction of our Steward, serve the Companie, and do not eat themselves until Nobles, Gentry, and guests have eaten. As it would have been, in so far as our researches go. [Though we draw the line at throwing food remnants onto the lawn - as we would be the ones to have to pick-up the rubbish afterwards] The second type of performance, however, is intended to be more fun - free and easy, and more relaxed for everyone, - and we do this as "The Duke's Leopards", rather than as "Governor Baker's Household". And we allow a somewhat lower level of authenticity in customs and gear. The second type of performance is when we display as many items as possible marked with the Escutcheon of our Company, including the table-linens, - and all Companions eat together, communally. Some of our Companions change to secondary Personas on these days. So, for example, the three young girls who act as Pages to the High Table during the Hunting-camp noonmeals, f- or these "Duke's Leopards" performances, wear feminine garb, and sit down with the "grown-ups" as equals, having spent two years of hard research turning themselves into our "experts" on the lives of late-medieval children, and specialising in re-enacting medieval Childrens' Games and Pastimes. The girls also act as our "Ambassadors" to visiting children. Now, as Companie Historian, I am aware that the Escutcheons on this 2nd set of linen are anachronistic; - however, our Council has agreed the lapse is permissable in our quest for Publicity for our group, - for we sell sets of napkins thus-marked as souvenirs to the MoP - with all profits going into the Companie funds; - and truth to tell, those marked items, including the linens, do seem to catch the eyes of the viewing MoP. And our Clients the JHT have not chosen to "call us" on this point. I realise this has been a bit of a long-winded explanation, but I am hoping I've explained some of "why-we-do what-we-do". And why we permit this particular anachronism of our Companie escutcheon on one set of table-linen.. For comments about Bishops' Lawn, see my earlier posting about our local shop Hamons', in King Street, St, Helier. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 21:29:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G2TRbL023263 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G2SX2L003253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G2SLfm070978; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:28:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G2SIvG070954 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000F35D2E2 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:28:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050115182751.02939890@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:28:15 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawn linen In-Reply-To: <20050116003949.30202.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/666/Sat Jan 15 18:26:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/666/Sat Jan 15 18:26:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:39 AM 1/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >REPLY >Dear Chris, and any other Lister who is interested, >if any of you wish to order Bishop's Lawn Linen, - here in Jersey, in St. >helier, we have a *very* old-established Family Haberdashery shop named >"Hamons", where I buy my own supplies. I'm sure the Proprietors will be >delighted to supply you all. If anyone wants the address and phone number, >then I'll happily post it for you all. YES!!! Please. Kimiko :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 15 22:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G3eWhB023542 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:40:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G3dI2L008144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G3dBkq005524; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0G3d8wc005470 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 23272 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 03:39:11 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:39:11 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:39:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1068.24.4.69.40.1105846745.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/666/Sat Jan 15 18:26:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/666/Sat Jan 15 18:26:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1700's stays fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I will be asking a lady to make me a corset from the 1700's and I would like to know what you think are appropriate fabrics to make it out of. My thought is that the outer fabric can be sort of decorative because there will be other fabric layers that will give support. I would like to use silk but I don't know what sort to get...solid color? brocade? multi-color brocade? Thanks for your suggestions! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 00:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G5uu2P024069 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G5u32L015287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G5tqok064228; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G5toUx064197 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:55:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A55E33773 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p418.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.164]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 836E7D4AC for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:45 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawn linen Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050115182751.02939890@64.87.54.245> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ditto!!! De -----Original Message----- At 12:39 AM 1/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >REPLY >Dear Chris, and any other Lister who is interested, >if any of you wish to order Bishop's Lawn Linen, - here in Jersey, in St. >helier, we have a *very* old-established Family Haberdashery shop named >"Hamons", where I buy my own supplies. I'm sure the Proprietors will be >delighted to supply you all. If anyone wants the address and phone number, >then I'll happily post it for you all. YES!!! Please. Kimiko :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 01:06:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G66hdL024156 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:06:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G65v2L015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G65s3a068123; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G65pkN068099 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4944C3385C for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:05:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p418.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.215.164]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BBE79D3E2 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:05:49 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:Table linen Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:06:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050116013112.87068.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Darn, I was hoping you had docs for it. :P As I had said I am always looking for ways to spruce up the feast hall and try to make it as within period as possible. Presently, my group is waiting for it's device to pass at laurel level so all we can do is work with the colors just in case they don't pass it. Obligatory costume content :) After I wrangle someone to help fit me for a corset, and I finish the Elizabethan, my next challenge is probably a 1400s heraldic garment but then a 1500s French has been calling me. I think I found material for the forepart and sleeves but I am not sure I am ready to embroider the salmon. AHHHH so much fabric, so many patterns, so out of my mind! De -----Original Message----- REPLY OK, escutcheons on table-cloths and napkins. We use two sets of table-linen - because we do two types of performances at Gorey Castle, where for the last two years we have been limited to the open-air, in the Lower Ward. [That will change this year, as we have just been given leave to use other areas of the castle and "spread ourselves - which means we can now plan to use the various Chambers, including the medieval Great Hall, and the adjacent kitchens on the level below]. For the first type of display, we have been creating what can be loosely-termed "one of Governor Baker's hunting-Camps" in the Lower Ward; - and for this we use fine damasks in white or cream for the high table and slightly-lesser-quality cloths for the middle table, at our noonmeals, - the items having been donated to us by our Mistress of the Robes, Lady Berna de la Fontaine. For these "in-camp-noonmeals", we go through all the motions, - with Companions eating according to "rank and class" and re-enacting Servitors as required. Table-ware is also graded according to Rank in these displays. Those Companions who act as servants under the direction of our Steward, serve the Companie, and do not eat themselves until Nobles, Gentry, and guests have eaten. As it would have been, in so far as our researches go. [Though we draw the line at throwing food remnants onto the lawn - as we would be the ones to have to pick-up the rubbish afterwards] The second type of performance, however, is intended to be more fun - free and easy, and more relaxed for everyone, - and we do this as "The Duke's Leopards", rather than as "Governor Baker's Household". And we allow a somewhat lower level of authenticity in customs and gear. The second type of performance is when we display as many items as possible marked with the Escutcheon of our Company, including the table-linens, - and all Companions eat together, communally. Some of our Companions change to secondary Personas on these days. So, for example, the three young girls who act as Pages to the High Table during the Hunting-camp noonmeals, f- or these "Duke's Leopards" performances, wear feminine garb, and sit down with the "grown-ups" as equals, having spent two years of hard research turning themselves into our "experts" on the lives of late-medieval children, and specialising in re-enacting medieval Childrens' Games and Pastimes. The girls also act as our "Ambassadors" to visiting children. Now, as Companie Historian, I am aware that the Escutcheons on this 2nd set of linen are anachronistic; - however, our Council has agreed the lapse is permissable in our quest for Publicity for our group, - for we sell sets of napkins thus-marked as souvenirs to the MoP - with all profits going into the Companie funds; - and truth to tell, those marked items, including the linens, do seem to catch the eyes of the viewing MoP. And our Clients the JHT have not chosen to "call us" on this point. I realise this has been a bit of a long-winded explanation, but I am hoping I've explained some of "why-we-do what-we-do". And why we permit this particular anachronism of our Companie escutcheon on one set of table-linen.. For comments about Bishops' Lawn, see my earlier posting about our local shop Hamons', in King Street, St, Helier. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 01:52:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G6q38r025384 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G6pE2L017780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G6pAWN086551; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:51:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G6opnA086345 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.84.3cf8c0e4 (4568) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <84.3cf8c0e4.2f1b68bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:50:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1700's stays fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/15/2005 10:42:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: > I would like to > use silk but I don't know what sort to get...solid color? brocade? > multi-color brocade? > I'm not Bjarne but.... It depends. 1700s is a long time. Early in the period you find more stays with fancy fabrics. When gowns become more closed and stomachers become rarer, you see more plain ones. Fancy silk brocade stays don't usually have the stitching show thru to the fancy fabric....but some do. Throughout the whole period you see plain linen stays. Also wool. I've never seen a plain silk one but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. I like to make corsets pretty....actresses resist them less. I've made 18th century stays out of printed cotton chintz, with the vents showing, but I don't think that's period. Still, they looked good....bound in a ribbon some color picked up in the print. If you can't decide, find a lovely plain fabric, like a silk or linen, and make stays with the vents showing. Then you've made a pretty compromise. On "Last of the Mohicans" the stays were made by machine out of a piece of linen with boning casings made from 3/8" grosgrain ribbon. These were based together, boned and fitted, then taken apart at the seams and an outer layer of "fashion" fabric [I think one was made of cotton jacquard] was put over the pieces.....casings encased inside the 2 layers. While still in pieces, 4 women hand back stitched all the casings with 3 or 4 strands of embroidery floss [or heavy-ish linen thread] thru to the front using the machine lines as a guide. Then the whole thing was sewn together and bound....and the eyelettes whipped over. The result looks hand sewn when worn. You could use colored floss for the stitching....like that red wool corset with white stitching in "Fashion in Detail". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 04:18:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G9IO9f027687 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:18:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G9HU2L000562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:17:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G9HDVc053925; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0G9HA74053867 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 30098 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 09:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116091704.30096.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.130] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:17:04 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:17:04 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Household-marked Table linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: Darn, I was hoping you had docs for it. :P REPLY Well, one place you might look is for such documentation is in the transcribed Exchequer Pipe Rolls detailing the State Expenses of the preparation for the State Visit of Princess Margaret of York, Ruling Duchess of Burgundy, to her Royal brother, King Edward IV of England. It is some years since I read these transcripts - indeed, I have even forgotten the references and would have to search for them once again. But I do recall they detailed - amongst other items, - the purchase of cloth of many kinds to "dress" the Retainers temporarily seconded to Princess Margaret's Service during her Visit; and to "dress" the State Apartments assigned to her and her Suite; - and also to outfit the English welcoming Party that rode out to meet her, and conduct her and her Suite to London in a great State Procession. I recall mention of such items as horse caparisons, Surcoats, Servants & Boatmen's Liveries, bed-hangings, wall-hangings, &C. Another Item I recall was to the purchase from the Limners' Guild of numbers of her Escutcheons, badges embroidered and painted small upon fabric, leather, and oiled parchment, to identify her Retainers, her equipment, &C You might well find marked-table-linens mentioned in there somewhere. Other sources would be surviving Household Accounts from the period, and Inventories in contemporary Wills, such as that of Sir John Fastolf - patron to the Paston Family of Norfolk, and the prototype from whom Shakespeare drew the idea for his character of "Falstaff", in Henry IV Parts 1 &2, and "Henry V" - though the rich Knight of Norfolk was anything but a penniless, drunken old sot who frequented low taverns. God keep you, this Feast of St. Valerius. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 04:24:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G9Oi3f003022 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:24:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0G9O52L001709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0G9O05O057078; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0G9Nv4B057026 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 30751 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 09:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116092352.30749.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.130] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:23:52 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DRAPERS' ADDRESS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: Ditto!!! SNIP If anyone wants the address and phone number, >then I'll happily post it for you all. YES!!! Please. Kimiko REPLY Hamons' [Drapers] - Victoria House, King Street, St. Helier, Jersery, JE2 4WF, C.I., U.K. Their phone No. is area-code 1534, - 720331. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 07:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GC2w1Q010103 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:02:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GC242L014340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GC1dqk031611; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GC1Vra031468 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1eb.3276cdf9 (25305) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.3276cdf9.2f1bb192@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:01:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-10-09-rollover.htm X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm sorry if I missed this in a previous post, but how much does this linen cost a yard or meter? Many thanks, Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 07:35:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GCZC2g010217 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:35:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GCVq2h015901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:34:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GC81ln034593; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GC37tx032215 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.db.1dee15da (25305) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:02:57 -0500 (EST) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:02:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry about that list subject header. Question was: what is the price per yard/meter? Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 07:59:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GCxHeY010320 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GCwY2L016849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GCwS1S055362; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GCwRfc055347 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cq9z8-0007Qs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:58:27 -0800 Message-ID: <41EA64F4.7080807@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:58:28 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawn linen References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050115182751.02939890@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050115182751.02939890@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, Yes!! Thanks! Kimiko Small wrote: > At 12:39 AM 1/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >> REPLY >> Dear Chris, and any other Lister who is interested, >> if any of you wish to order Bishop's Lawn Linen, - here in Jersey, in >> St. helier, we have a *very* old-established Family Haberdashery shop >> named "Hamons", where I buy my own supplies. I'm sure the Proprietors >> will be delighted to supply you all. If anyone wants the address and >> phone number, then I'll happily post it for you all. > > > > YES!!! Please. > > Kimiko > :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 08:01:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GD1t1m010338 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:01:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GD1H2L017090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:01:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GD1G5a056772; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0GD1Frd056697 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19323 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 13:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116130108.19318.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.104] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:01:08 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:01:08 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - Price/yd or MSq. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: Sorry about that list subject header. Question was: what is the price per yard/meter? Nancy REPLY I cannot recall what the price was when I bought several yards in 2003, which i am just coming to the end of. from ym point of view, the price was irrelevant, - because I "needed-it-right-then", for flags and an embroidered late-emdieval high-status shirt; - and Hamons' Drapery was the only shop in our island that a] knew what I needed, and b] had any stock. All I do recall is that -as far as I was concerned, - it didn't "break the bank". Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 08:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GDGpAi010444 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:16:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GDEa2L017738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GDEUD7062777; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0GDERBR062741 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61691 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2005 13:14:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20050116131422.61689.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.104] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:14:22 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:14:22 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, ladies, - at the time I didn't know that it was "Bishops' Lawn" linen. All I knew, ex-Youthful sailmaker as I was - was that cotton sailcloth or wool bunting wouldn't "cut-it", and that I needed the lightest linen I could get - close weave, smooooooth finish, and very light/MSq. or grms/cmSq So I took my problem in to the knowledgeable staff as Hamons, - and 3 of them went into a huddle, pulled down several bolts of material from the shelves, and quickly decided on one as being appropriate for the use I had in mind. Unpainted, it was almost fine enough to read print through! For the flags, I thought it would do really well, almost a light as fine silk! So I bought as much as I needed for the projects I had in mind, along with a 25% reserve to cover for any mistakes I might make. And it wasn't until I consulted our Mistress of The Robes to confirm how I thought I should be making the shirt, - and showed her the fabric, - that she said - "ooh, Julian, that's "Bishops' Lawn", of course! You mus have been to Hamons, they're the only local shop that would stock such a thing!" Me, - not being into dress-making, - I'd never even *heard* of "Bishops' Lawn"! If I'd had to describe the fabric, the best comparison I could have come up with would have been the grade used for fine linen handkerchiefs. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 08:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GDnCqa010584 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GDmY2L019409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GDmSo8078291; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GDmPGU078228 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAE00431X0KBA@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:48:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:51:01 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <20050116131422.61689.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41EA7145.8020008@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <20050116131422.61689.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Listmembers, I have found that fabric.com is selling silk/wool at 3.47 a yard plus I have 20%coupon for the store if i order before jan 26th. (http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/deals---steals-clearance-closeout-50--off-silk-wool-suiting.html) and I was thinking of ordering some. The only problem being that the fabric is in plaids and that is not really my period (1500-1600 Eurppian is my main focus) and I do not think that this pattern is appropreate for anything I can think of. Has anyone tried dying these types of fabrics/patterns, and how does it genrally work? Is there any hope of dying the fabric to look like a solid color? The main one I was looking at was the fabric at the bottom-it is the lightest color, and i would thin, take dye the best. Any input on this topic would be most welcome. It does seem like a really good price and i just might buy some to make my mom a modern suit thing, but for that price, I would love to make myself a nice tudor dress or something-realitivly quiet, but FINE. thanks for your time, jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 10:11:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFBBFd011013 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:11:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GF8t2L026415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:08:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GF8jRh017053; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GF8flj016949 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f47.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.71]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 92B6D5EE0A2 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:08:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003d01c4fbdd$4c0337c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003001c4f97f$fdb84010$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1068.24.4.69.40.1105846745.squirrel@24.4.69.40> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1700's stays fabric Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:08:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Diana, Oh you can use silk taffeta, very nice and fine for this, but also brocade was very fashionable. Even wool was used for stays, so there are many alternatives. If you want to make it historical correct, the two inner layers should be made of linen. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1700's stays fabric > Bjarne, > > I will be asking a lady to make me a corset from the 1700's and I would > like to know what you think are appropriate fabrics to make it out of. > > My thought is that the outer fabric can be sort of decorative because > there will be other fabric layers that will give support. I would like to > use silk but I don't know what sort to get...solid color? brocade? > multi-color brocade? > > Thanks for your suggestions! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 10:20:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFKg61011056 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:20:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GFJq2L026800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFJoRe021626; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFJkdL021597 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CqCBu-0005Hp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:19:46 -0800 Message-ID: <41EA8613.1080405@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:19:47 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP References: <20050116131422.61689.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <41EA7145.8020008@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <41EA7145.8020008@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't actually done the wool/silk combo, but have dyed pure fabric of each very succesfully. If you pick the darkest color in the plaid you will probably subdue the rest to the point where it is barely visible. Just recenty during some research for a little earlier German, I came across several woodcuts/etchings which clearly show a checked or plaid pattern on underskirsts. I'd have to look for it, but somewhere during my Flemish (middle 1500's) research I came across a pair of pants which were clearly plaid. Sg J Schueller wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 10:58:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFwGvM011334 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:58:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GFvU2L028615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFvMKo038483; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao04.cox.net (lakermmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GFvJCV038438 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050116155711.OQNG22354.lakermmtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:57:11 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <049001c4fbe5$18d2fea0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41EA7145.8020008@optonline.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0GFvJCV038438 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi- If you look at the fiber content of each, you'll notice that most are not just silk and wool. Some have nylon in them, and I saw at least one with polyester in the mix. The natural fibers *should* dye well, but the synthetics could resist and cause splotchiness overall. For this price, sure go for it, but buy enough to experiment with to see if you like it before you commit the entire piece to the dyebath. I bought quite a bit of this when they still had the natural/taupe herringbone. It was lovely as it was, but I just took a piece of it and ran it through the wash and hot dryer. It tightened up so beautifully! I can't remember what the fiber mix was, I do know there was silk and wool at least, and I like it so much that I'm not going to dye it. Pax, ::Linda:: "Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all." - Dale Carnegie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume- On Behalf Of J Schueller Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP Dear Listmembers, I have found that fabric.com is selling silk/wool at 3.47 a yard plus I have 20%coupon for the store if i order before jan 26th. (http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/deals---steals-clearance-closeout-50--off-silk-wool-suiting .html and I was thinking of ordering some. The only problem being that the fabric is in plaids and that is not really my period (1500-1600 Eurppian is my main focus) and I do not think that this pattern is appropreate for anything I can think of. Has anyone tried dying these types of fabrics/patterns, and how does it genrally work? Is there any hope of dying the fabric to look like a solid color? The main one I was looking at was the fabric at the bottom-it is the lightest color, and i would thin, take dye the best. Any input on this topic would be most welcome. It does seem like a really good price and i just might buy some to make my mom a modern suit thing, but for that price, I would love to make myself a nice tudor dress or something-realitivly quiet, but FINE. -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 13:16:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIGwwm012852 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GIEk2L008760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIEdlJ009605; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIEaMB009516 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so160399wra for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TfJ0PF1hcJUr1W0sPMJ2LmQk+vd7u3MA9KqavEdGgLYcwBpjskKam+HxwVYF+4rHgVlRAgRLTxMZCi2qYA6zEx26NOGH7m8j+LwbkPE73/kYiP8c+PgCFW5YLGxn6gYyRb6ebI31Bh1dVDE7ecQWp2zSJhCvqMdXQxqU6ph7pyo= Received: by 10.54.35.29 with SMTP id i29mr422450wri; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0501161014c9546b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:28 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP In-Reply-To: <049001c4fbe5$18d2fea0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41EA7145.8020008@optonline.net> <049001c4fbe5$18d2fea0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't done any dyeing in years, but friend of mine dyed some off-white linen/silk mix a couple of years ago for a 1750s dress. The colors of both fabrics was identical before dyeing, but the silk took up much more dye than the linen of course. Shehadn't anticipated that for some reason. it turned out to be a heather-ish sort of color (bright turquoise), kind of homespun. I thought it was beautiful but she was very disappointed with the result. at however much she spent for the 15 yards, she had to use it anyway. She wore the dress once after putting a great deal of work into it. LynnD. On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:04:39 -0500, Linda Rice wrote: > Hi- > > If you look at the fiber content of each, you'll notice that most are not just silk and wool. Some > have nylon in them, and I saw at least one with polyester in the mix. The natural fibers *should* > dye well, but the synthetics could resist and cause splotchiness overall. For this price, sure go > for it, but buy enough to experiment with to see if you like it before you commit the entire piece > to the dyebath. > > I bought quite a bit of this when they still had the natural/taupe herringbone. It was lovely as it > was, but I just took a piece of it and ran it through the wash and hot dryer. It tightened up so > beautifully! I can't remember what the fiber mix was, I do know there was silk and wool at least, > and I like it so much that I'm not going to dye it. > > Pax, > ::Linda:: > > "Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on > trying when there seemed to be no hope at all." - Dale Carnegie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume- On Behalf Of J Schueller > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:51 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Silk/wool -CHEAP > > Dear Listmembers, I have found that fabric.com is selling silk/wool at > 3.47 a yard plus I have 20%coupon for the store if i order before jan > 26th. > (http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/deals---steals-clearance-closeout-50--off-silk-wool-suiting > .html > > and I was thinking of ordering some. The only problem being that the > fabric is in plaids and that is not really my period (1500-1600 Eurppian > is my main focus) and I do not think that this pattern is appropreate > for anything I can think of. Has anyone tried dying these types of > fabrics/patterns, and how does it genrally work? Is there any hope of > dying the fabric to look like a solid color? The main one I was looking > at was the fabric at the bottom-it is the lightest color, and i would > thin, take dye the best. > > Any input on this topic would be most welcome. > It does seem like a really good price and i just might buy some to make > my mom a modern suit thing, but for that price, I would love to make > myself a nice tudor dress or something-realitivly quiet, but FINE. > -jordana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 13:51:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIpLIB013371 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:51:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GIoe2L011771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIobWZ029474; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:50:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GIoXco029351 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so805768wra for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:50:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=biFHWGQL8eI9I6jLVs1mH7Gigd7d/+vd5L/ldroAkchYoEKKhjJiLkGDmbipmh48Hg67uAtVM2Ku7ORJv/6crFu3nxy0MLld3kVLPFCj9JW8GGMZ/YqJ1sQ63DzmwUkM0ad41PcTBC2+Y65B2+nzXd9JLuSxZ4ZAdy5JWQHNiJ8= Received: by 10.54.10.57 with SMTP id 57mr99044wrj; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:50:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:50:27 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My husband and I saw the new Merchant of Venice last night. The color palate is dark, dark, dark. The only real color in Venice is worn by the prostitutes, who look like butterflies flitting through a forest. The one exception to this is the red caps required by Venice to be worn by the Jews when they leave the ghetto, and these are a very somber red. We loved the movie, even at $9.50 per ticket. The acting was great, Venice was beautiful and crowded and cramped, and the characters are what I pictured, even to the suitors. I'm now in love with the twinkle in the eye of the Moorish Prince. Pacino's accent went funny every once in a while, but the acting was quite good. Costumes: Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, accessories, hair, colors. There were touches that screamed that someone worked very hard at their research. The Spanish suitor was VERY Spanish, as were his hangers-on. The prostitutes had lovely dresses that hung below their shoulders and showed their nipples. Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, accessories, hair, colors and have general knowledge of the Italian states, but can't specifically tell Venetian clothing from Florentine. Having said that, we only had two issues with the costumes: Bassano's white hatthat he wears to woo Portia made me snort with laughter (I seldom snort) - it was too big and bright, and made me think of an overlarge marshmallow melted over his head. The other issue was the neckline of a couple of the women; I know that the sleeve went to the shoulder point, but Portia or her woman wore her bodice below the shoulder point and it looked wrong to me. However, the fabric of Portia's woman (can't remember her name) wears a dress of the most beautiful brocade. It's green and gold, depending on which way the light hits it. I really loved the movie, and I hope people with better insights into 1590 Venice don't have too much to say against the costuming. If you do, I'll be pleased to learn from you. As I said, this isn't my area of expertise. LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 14:09:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GJ9naR013620 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:09:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GJ942L013006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GJ8q1u063101; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GJ8Y2F059847 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.101] (p37.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.101]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0GJ60G07631 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:06:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:14:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you know who the costume designer was? On Jan 16, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Lynn Downward wrote: > My husband and I saw the new Merchant of Venice last night. The color > palate is dark, dark, dark. The only real color in Venice is worn by > the prostitutes, who look like butterflies flitting through a forest. > The one exception to this is the red caps required by Venice to be > worn by the Jews when they leave the ghetto, and these are a very > somber red. We loved the movie, even at $9.50 per ticket. The acting > was great, Venice was beautiful and crowded and cramped, and the > characters are what I pictured, even to the suitors. I'm now in love > with the twinkle in the eye of the Moorish Prince. Pacino's accent > went funny every once in a while, but the acting was quite good. > > Costumes: Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, > accessories, hair, colors. There were touches that screamed that > someone worked very hard at their research. The Spanish suitor was > VERY Spanish, as were his hangers-on. The prostitutes had lovely > dresses that hung below their shoulders and showed their nipples. > Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, accessories, > hair, colors and have general knowledge of the Italian states, but > can't specifically tell Venetian clothing from Florentine. Having said > that, we only had two issues with the costumes: Bassano's white > hatthat he wears to woo Portia made me snort with laughter (I seldom > snort) - it was too big and bright, and made me think of an overlarge > marshmallow melted over his head. The other issue was the neckline of > a couple of the women; I know that the sleeve went to the shoulder > point, but Portia or her woman wore her bodice below the shoulder > point and it looked wrong to me. However, the fabric of Portia's woman > (can't remember her name) wears a dress of the most beautiful brocade. > It's green and gold, depending on which way the light hits it. > > I really loved the movie, and I hope people with better insights into > 1590 Venice don't have too much to say against the costuming. If you > do, I'll be pleased to learn from you. As I said, this isn't my area > of expertise. > LynnD > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 15:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GKH30s014684 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GKFA2L017635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GKF5BB033364; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0GKEwvq033184 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:14:51 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050116201029.0149c7d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:13:00 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice In-Reply-To: References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:14 16/01/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Do you know who the costume designer was? Sammy Sheldon >>Costumes: Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, >>accessories, hair, colors. There were touches that screamed that >>someone worked very hard at their research. The Spanish suitor was >>VERY Spanish, as were his hangers-on. The prostitutes had lovely >>dresses that hung below their shoulders and showed their nipples. >>Please know in advance that I KNOW Elizabethan clothing, accessories, >>hair, colors and have general knowledge of the Italian states, but >>can't specifically tell Venetian clothing from Florentine. Having said >>that, we only had two issues with the costumes: Bassano's white >>hatthat he wears to woo Portia made me snort with laughter (I seldom >>snort) - it was too big and bright, and made me think of an overlarge >>marshmallow melted over his head. The other issue was the neckline of >>a couple of the women; I know that the sleeve went to the shoulder >>point, but Portia or her woman wore her bodice below the shoulder >>point and it looked wrong to me. However, the fabric of Portia's woman >>(can't remember her name) wears a dress of the most beautiful brocade. >>It's green and gold, depending on which way the light hits it. >> >>I really loved the movie, and I hope people with better insights into >>1590 Venice don't have too much to say against the costuming. If you >>do, I'll be pleased to learn from you. As I said, this isn't my area >>of expertise. Vecellio - can't remember the proper title, Dover reprint of engravings of costume by Vecellio, 1598. Does have some costume pictures of different parts of Italy, France Spain etc, including I think, Florence, Rome and Venice among others. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 15:34:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GKYGUJ014998 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:34:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GKXb2L018771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:33:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GKXYAn043240; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GKXSVm043160 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.30] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CqH5S-0000Ml-V9 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:33:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:33:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b84c71c8936394f7eab436f3a2f5e4b28350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.30 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia wrote: > Do you know who the costume designer was? > Sammy Sheldon. His CV is here: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1234336/ He hasn't done much, at least in film. (NB: Canterbury Tales is modern dress, very liberal adaptation, but good and currently running on BBCAmerica.) -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 16:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GL4Rul015544 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GL3W2L020649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GL3TvN058494; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GL3Qf8058422 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so178200wra for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dmnASUdaZGCcK2LgXpjKXRnfMZHHNY9qjzp/M6rGxuxcgynP3KXRGCai6yHy1FrY/ZkcuJehopkb+SZL9UfFogXSW+dl7MKQHbMs3JImCcAAwu7FqKT7DDfATB2uwC1HZBQ7gW1OrFZBnnoG3inpPGHCBg5n4zvScC36eZNoxZE= Received: by 10.54.41.37 with SMTP id o37mr413142wro; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05011613034669d783@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:03:20 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice In-Reply-To: <01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> <01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know, Helen, I tried to remember it but I just can't. It was a woman and I want to say that both her first and last names started with "C" but I'm just not certain. We went out to dinner after and had a wonderful time and I simply cannot remember after our date. I believe that the website is themerchantofvenice or merchantofvenice or something, so perhaps a google search will give that info. I have to leave and be somewhere in about half an hour or I'd do the search. LynnD On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:33:18 -0500, Helen Pinto wrote: > Sylvia wrote: > > > Do you know who the costume designer was? > > > > Sammy Sheldon. His CV is here: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1234336/ He > hasn't done much, at least in film. (NB: Canterbury Tales is modern dress, > very liberal adaptation, but good and currently running on BBCAmerica.) > > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 16:44:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GLi2XD016249 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:44:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GLh62L023189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:43:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GLh0N1078718; 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Eastern Standard Time, vmaa2@cox.net writes: have nylon in them, and I saw at least one with polyester in the mix. The natural fibers *should* dye well, but the synthetics could resist and cause splotchiness overall. For this price, sure go for it, but buy enough to experiment with to see if you like it before you commit the entire piece to the dyebath. Nylon actually takes dyes very well, as it is chemically similar to wool. Polyester, of course, is another matter--resists home dyes because of its chemical structure. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 18:08:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GN82EM017582 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0GN792L029407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GN73aR024465; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:07:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0GN6xUC024433 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0GN6uIN013274 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:06:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:56:04 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <1c5.21e97608.2f1966d5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Now that I'm back in North America and essentially house bound for the time being, I've been looking for a sewing project and have been contemplating doing one of the quilted mid-18th c. petticoats. However, all the extant ones I know of are lined in glazed wool, and I have been unable to find any. Anyone have any suggestions? Any advice for someone who has done one would be appreciated as well. : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 19:28:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0SBmv018032 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H0QU2L004585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:26:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0QN2R062767; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0QL2G062747 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.92] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CqKiq-0002lj-Be for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c4fc2b$1a432da0$5c159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com><01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO> <8296995c05011613034669d783@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:25:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b8e9d651ed44b063e28fea70738fabb1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.92 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, sorry, it's Sammy Sheldon. I may have jumped to a conclusion about Sammy's gender and Sammy may actually be a woman, but I've got the name right, at least. -Helen/Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice > You know, Helen, I tried to remember it but I just can't. It was a > woman and I want to say that both her first and last names started > with "C" but I'm just not certain. We went out to dinner after and had > a wonderful time and I simply cannot remember after our date. I > believe that the website is themerchantofvenice or merchantofvenice or > something, so perhaps a google search will give that info. I have to > leave and be somewhere in about half an hour or I'd do the search. > > LynnD > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:33:18 -0500, Helen Pinto > wrote: >> Sylvia wrote: >> >> > Do you know who the costume designer was? >> > >> >> Sammy Sheldon. His CV is here: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1234336/ He >> hasn't done much, at least in film. (NB: Canterbury Tales is modern >> dress, >> very liberal adaptation, but good and currently running on BBCAmerica.) >> >> -Helen/Aidan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 19:44:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0iBRY018079 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:44:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H0hF2L005774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:43:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0h7ww070948; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:43:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H0gxNo070844 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:43:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050117004254012000tqvde>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:42:54 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:42:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been hunting glazed wool for quite some time without luck. If you are on the 18c Woman yahoo maillist, you can look in the archives for many bootless discussions of glazed wool. Humphries in England makes it, and when I get my retailer number the US distributor, who is local, will let me order some, and I will. You have to buy a whole 20 meter warping of a loom, and it runs about $100 - $175 a yard. Within the 20 meters, I can specify different color wefts, so my plan is to get a white or ivory warp and do some traditional pastels for weft -- white, shrimp pink, buff, perhaps a sky blue or a red. But quite frankly this $100-$175 is the wholesale price, and I haven't found any re-enactors who would like to pay even $100 a yard for the glazed wool for a petticoat. I would like to have at least five (figuring a petticoat at 2 to 3 yards) lined up before I commit the money, plus, I don't have the money right now anyhow, so would probably need to get some folks to commit cash up-front, which, so far, is not happening. If you are $200 to $350 worth of interested in your glazed wool, contact me off-list. I want to see re-enactors have access to this material and am willing to do the legwork (I'd be willing to put the $ in up front in a couple of years when my finances get over my recent period of unemployment, too) without profit just to get my hands on some of it myself, but the minimum order and the high cost are daunting. So far this is it for finding glazed wool. If I get ahold of some and can actually figure out how it was glazed (Humphries won't tell me, pointing out, intelligently enough, "If we told people then we wouldn't be the only place that made it anymore, would we?") I may try to develop the capacity to make it, but don't hold your breath. On 18C woman, several folks have started to insist they could copy the Diderot machine or do it with various available laundry equipment, but so far nothing has panned out. Best wishes and good luck! lauren lauren.walker@comcast.net > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:56:04 -0600 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat > > Greetings, > > Now that I'm back in North America and essentially house bound for the time > being, I've been looking for a sewing project and have been contemplating > doing one of the quilted mid-18th c. petticoats. However, all the extant > ones I know of are lined in glazed wool, and I have been unable to find > any. Anyone have any suggestions? Any advice for someone who has done one > would be appreciated as well. : ) > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 22:53:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H3rWNa019258 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H3qY2L019097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H3qM72067723; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H3qJjd067709 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:52:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0H3qGIN024028 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:52:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116213924.00ae32f8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:43:30 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Somehow I didn't think I was the only one searching. That is unfortunately *WAY* out of my budget. One of the Linda Baumgarten books (I can't remember if it is "Costume Close Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790" or "What Clothes Reveal: The Language of Clothing in Colonial and Federal America") briefly mentions it and shows a small print - apparently it takes heat and pressure. I gave up on the 18c list ages - way too much traffic. Good luck with it though. Cheers, Danielle At 07:42 PM 1/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I have been hunting glazed wool for quite some time without luck. If you are >on the 18c Woman yahoo maillist, you can look in the archives for many >bootless discussions of glazed wool. > >Humphries in England makes it, and when I get my retailer number the US >distributor, who is local, will let me order some, and I will. You have to >buy a whole 20 meter warping of a loom, and it runs about $100 - $175 a >yard. Within the 20 meters, I can specify different color wefts, so my plan >is to get a white or ivory warp and do some traditional pastels for weft -- >white, shrimp pink, buff, perhaps a sky blue or a red. But quite frankly >this $100-$175 is the wholesale price, and I haven't found any re-enactors >who would like to pay even $100 a yard for the glazed wool for a petticoat. >I would like to have at least five (figuring a petticoat at 2 to 3 yards) >lined up before I commit the money, plus, I don't have the money right now >anyhow, so would probably need to get some folks to commit cash up-front, >which, so far, is not happening. If you are $200 to $350 worth of interested >in your glazed wool, contact me off-list. I want to see re-enactors have >access to this material and am willing to do the legwork (I'd be willing to >put the $ in up front in a couple of years when my finances get over my >recent period of unemployment, too) without profit just to get my hands on >some of it myself, but the minimum order and the high cost are daunting. > >So far this is it for finding glazed wool. If I get ahold of some and can >actually figure out how it was glazed (Humphries won't tell me, pointing >out, intelligently enough, "If we told people then we wouldn't be the only >place that made it anymore, would we?") I may try to develop the capacity to >make it, but don't hold your breath. On 18C woman, several folks have >started to insist they could copy the Diderot machine or do it with various >available laundry equipment, but so far nothing has panned out. > >Best wishes and good luck! >lauren >lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:56:04 -0600 > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat > > > > Greetings, > > > > Now that I'm back in North America and essentially house bound for the time > > being, I've been looking for a sewing project and have been contemplating > > doing one of the quilted mid-18th c. petticoats. However, all the extant > > ones I know of are lined in glazed wool, and I have been unable to find > > any. Anyone have any suggestions? Any advice for someone who has done one > > would be appreciated as well. : ) > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 16 23:24:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H4OqfP019432 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H4Nv2L021196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H4NsQL083321; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H4Nppj083303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-67.sonic.net [209.148.114.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0H4NntG005446 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:23:50 -0800 Message-ID: <41EB3DD9.8060009@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:23:53 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What process and chemicals were used to glaze wool in the 18th century? The modern ones may not be the same. One place to look, in addition to period textile manufacturing references, is manuals on fabric cleaning or wool "scouring." These sometimes end with instructions for how to restore the just-cleaned fabric to, hopefully, a like-new appearance. For example, I have an early 19th-century manual on fabric cleaning, designed to tell housewives how to use professional techniques. One recipe for cleaning wool fabric in "chamber lye" (urine), ends by using a small brush to coat the wool with a very small amount of olive oil. And oil is, according to my modern textile dictionaries, one substance that can be used to glaze fabric. (Other modern glazes mentioned are starch, paraffin, shellac, or wax.) As for a calendering machine, the closest thing you can probably find on a manageable scale is a home mangle. You'd need one to flatten the threads of the fabric--if that must be done--but not necessarily to coat it with anything. (This is also the type of machine used to create moire fabrics but I have no idea whether a mangle can be adapted.) One thing to remember is that a glace wool is, these days, not a glazed wool as far as I know. It is a specific British fabric with a cotton warp, and a mohair or luster worsted weft. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com >If you are $200 to $350 worth of interested >in your glazed wool, contact me off-list. I want to see re-enactors have >access to this material and am willing to do the legwork (I'd be willing to >put the $ in up front in a couple of years when my finances get over my >recent period of unemployment, too) without profit just to get my hands on >some of it myself, but the minimum order and the high cost are daunting. > >So far this is it for finding glazed wool. If I get ahold of some and can >actually figure out how it was glazed (Humphries won't tell me, pointing >out, intelligently enough, "If we told people then we wouldn't be the only >place that made it anymore, would we?") I may try to develop the capacity to >make it, but don't hold your breath. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 00:35:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H5ZmhS020450 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H5YW2L025152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H5YNET015305; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H5YLxe015279 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A5E5E3FB for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:34:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050116213112.02943de8@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:31:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] DRAPERS' ADDRESS In-Reply-To: <20050116092352.30749.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Julian, very much. ~ Kimiko At 09:23 AM 1/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >REPLY >Hamons' [Drapers] - Victoria House, King Street, St. Helier, Jersery, JE2 >4WF, C.I., U.K. >Their phone No. is area-code 1534, - 720331. > > > >Yours in service, >Julian Wilson, >[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of >Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] >late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to >"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", >in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 03:14:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H8EVRT014504 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:14:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H8De2L002998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:13:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H8DRAZ084421; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0H8DOfK084291 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050117081308011000et88e>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:13:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41EB3DD9.8060009@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Fran, Thanks for the update, but I'm pretty sure the Humphries stuff *is* done in the 18th century way -- since they are using some 18th and some 19th century looms to weave it and do fairly extensive research on the historical patterns and methods in order to sell to museums and the like. It's not "modern glace wool", at any rate. Thanks again, Lauren > One thing to remember is that a glace wool is, these days, not a glazed > wool as far as I know. It is a specific British fabric with a cotton > warp, and a mohair or luster worsted weft. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > >> If you are $200 to $350 worth of interested >> in your glazed wool, contact me off-list. I want to see re-enactors have >> access to this material and am willing to do the legwork (I'd be willing to >> put the $ in up front in a couple of years when my finances get over my >> recent period of unemployment, too) without profit just to get my hands on >> some of it myself, but the minimum order and the high cost are daunting. >> >> So far this is it for finding glazed wool. If I get ahold of some and can >> actually figure out how it was glazed (Humphries won't tell me, pointing >> out, intelligently enough, "If we told people then we wouldn't be the only >> place that made it anymore, would we?") I may try to develop the capacity to >> make it, but don't hold your breath. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 05:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAWZ99020842 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HAVe2L029285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAUZTl056769; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:30:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAU5XI056435 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f4c.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.76]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ED5665EE030 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:29:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c4fc7f$8ca9f050$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:30:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glazed wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I dont know about glazed wool, but glazed linen. You used a smooth stone wich you rubbed the linnen with.The linnen got to shine like silk. Could this be the same with wool? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 05:43:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAhf9n023853 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HAgm2L000705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAgixs063356; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HAgHSM063120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0HAaBTA032587 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:36:11 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EB9687.8020307@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:42:15 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool References: <001d01c4fc7f$8ca9f050$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c4fc7f$8ca9f050$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know what glazed wool is - does it look more shiny? Flatter? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 11:28:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HGS0ea027372 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:28:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HGRF2L025195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:27:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HGR59F096090; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HGQvVZ095980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-164.sonic.net [209.148.113.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0HGQulH016082 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <41EBE753.5000500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:26:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the question is whether you want to find out more about what was done in the 18th century so you can save money by finding another supplier who uses a similar finishing process but charges less, or by doing the finishing yourself. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lauren Walker wrote: >Hi, Fran, >Thanks for the update, but I'm pretty sure the Humphries stuff *is* done in >the 18th century way -- since they are using some 18th and some 19th century >looms to weave it and do fairly extensive research on the historical >patterns and methods in order to sell to museums and the like. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 12:19:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHJC4s028471 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:19:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HHIH2L004234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHIDvm041507; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0HHI91f041435 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-16162); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:18:08 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:18:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050117090320.00d76100@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:18:03 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In looking through my "Textiles in America 1650-1870" (Florence Montgomery), I found the entry for "Tammy" (pgs. 360-361 and Plate D-103 [color samples of the fabrics]), which seems to be what you are trying to find. Here are excerpts from the entry: "A strong, lightweight worsted of plain weave and open texture, often glazed. The name is one of several derived from the Italian "stame" meaning both a worsted yarn and a warp. ... More recently tammies were made with cotton warp and worsted weft." Green, yellow, claret, and especially red and blue tammies are listed in seventeenth-century American inventories. James Beekman's annual, or semiannual, orders from New York included black, white, brown, green, blue, yellow, red, pink, and striped tammies." "Tammy was used for bed and window hangings, for ladies' petticoats and dresses, for the linings of men's coats, and as strainer clothes, or sieves. ..." "... for swatches of Yorkshire tammies, see plate D-103." So there are actual samples still in existence that Humphries could study; even the pink is pretty intense (no pastels). The original tammies (also called durants, or budoys) were apparently done in 30-yard pieces, 30 inches wide. One thing I could not figure out is what the word "glazed" means in this context. The use of worsted yarns in the weft would make the fabric very smooth, and not likely to full. Maybe just being calendared would bring out the sheen. Joan Jurancich spinner, weaver, seamstress At 07:42 PM 1/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I have been hunting glazed wool for quite some time without luck. If you are >on the 18c Woman yahoo maillist, you can look in the archives for many >bootless discussions of glazed wool. > >Humphries in England makes it, and when I get my retailer number the US >distributor, who is local, will let me order some, and I will. You have to >buy a whole 20 meter warping of a loom, and it runs about $100 - $175 a >yard. Within the 20 meters, I can specify different color wefts, so my plan >is to get a white or ivory warp and do some traditional pastels for weft -- >white, shrimp pink, buff, perhaps a sky blue or a red. But quite frankly >this $100-$175 is the wholesale price, and I haven't found any re-enactors >who would like to pay even $100 a yard for the glazed wool for a petticoat. >I would like to have at least five (figuring a petticoat at 2 to 3 yards) >lined up before I commit the money, plus, I don't have the money right now >anyhow, so would probably need to get some folks to commit cash up-front, >which, so far, is not happening. If you are $200 to $350 worth of interested >in your glazed wool, contact me off-list. I want to see re-enactors have >access to this material and am willing to do the legwork (I'd be willing to >put the $ in up front in a couple of years when my finances get over my >recent period of unemployment, too) without profit just to get my hands on >some of it myself, but the minimum order and the high cost are daunting. > >So far this is it for finding glazed wool. If I get ahold of some and can >actually figure out how it was glazed (Humphries won't tell me, pointing >out, intelligently enough, "If we told people then we wouldn't be the only >place that made it anymore, would we?") I may try to develop the capacity to >make it, but don't hold your breath. On 18C woman, several folks have >started to insist they could copy the Diderot machine or do it with various >available laundry equipment, but so far nothing has panned out. > >Best wishes and good luck! >lauren >lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:56:04 -0600 > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat > > > > Greetings, > > > > Now that I'm back in North America and essentially house bound for the time > > being, I've been looking for a sewing project and have been contemplating > > doing one of the quilted mid-18th c. petticoats. However, all the extant > > ones I know of are lined in glazed wool, and I have been unable to find > > any. Anyone have any suggestions? Any advice for someone who has done one > > would be appreciated as well. : ) > > > > Cheers, > > Danielle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHeqre028816 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:40:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HHdx2L006825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:39:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHdoG4060779; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sm4app04.siteprotect.com (sm4app04.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHdiQo060689 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from sm4app04.siteprotect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sm4app04.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827127D51 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:39:43 -0600 (CST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:39:43 -0600 X-Uidl: 4.2.2.20050117090320.00d76100@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: SiteMail 4.4 (US) Message-Id: <20050117173943.827127D51@sm4app04.siteprotect.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0HHdiQo060689 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Calimanco is another glazed wool that was frequently used for 18th c. quilted petticoats. I have a detailed description of the manufacturing process in a 19th century textile dictionary at home. IIRC it involved friction calendering using heat and high pressure to achieve the glazed finish, and may have included an immersion bath that applied additives to the woven fabric before calendering. I can post the definition this evening. I'm not sure a consumer version of a mangle iron could provide a sufficient amount of either to produce the original finish, but it might be able to maintain it after laundering. It would be worth investigating. The DAR museum in Washington DC had a beautiful quilted calimanco petticoat on display several years ago. My notes from the exhibit indicate the fabric was no longer being commercially manufactured. Custom production like you've mentioned may be an option. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 3-6, 2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 12:42:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHglB2028853 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HHg42L007083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHg2Dv062712; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:42:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HHfN4C062212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-164.sonic.net [209.148.113.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0HHfLnT015323 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: <41EBF8C6.5040105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:41:26 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <4.2.2.20050117090320.00d76100@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050117090320.00d76100@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > More recently tammies were made with cotton warp and worsted weft." I wonder what Montgomery means by "more recently"? I have an 1890s textile dictionary that says "tammy" is the same fabric as "tamin," whichin turn is defined as a "thin woolen or worsted dress goods, plain woven, with a high gloss." Then again, I have an 1880s dictionary which defines "tammy" as having a worsted warp and a cotton weft, highly glazed, and chiefly used for upholstery, but also as otherwise called Durants, twilled, and mostly used for women's petticoats, curtains, and window blinds. > > > One thing I could not figure out is what the word "glazed" means in > this context. The use of worsted yarns in the weft would make the > fabric very smooth, and not likely to full. Maybe just being > calendared would bring out the sheen. > I think they may be talking about a fairly high degree of gloss. Montgomery quotes an 1801 source as saying the English tammies had "long shiny fibers [which] make a beautiful cloth that takes a lustrous finish," and then there is the Victorian reference to a "high gloss" above. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 13:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HIHut9029485 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HIGg2L010645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HIGcuH092627; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HIGZb3092578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-164.sonic.net [209.148.113.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0HIGX9o025868 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:16:34 -0800 Message-ID: <41EC0105.6050803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:16:37 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat References: <20050117173943.827127D51@sm4app04.siteprotect.com> In-Reply-To: <20050117173943.827127D51@sm4app04.siteprotect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Calimanco is another glazed wool that was frequently used for 18th c. quilted >petticoats. I have a detailed description of the manufacturing process in a 19th >century textile dictionary at home. > > The short definition in the 1882 _Encyclopedia of Needlework_ is "This material resembles Tammies and Durants. It is highly glazed, and can be had plain or twilled, raised in stripes or brocaded . . . It is employed for women's petticoats." >I'm not sure a consumer version of a mangle iron could provide a sufficient amount >of either to produce the original finish, but it might be able to maintain it after >laundering. It would be worth investigating. > > At least it is possible to get hold of a mangle and fit it into a house, for the purpose of experimentation. Chintz is of course a different fabric, but the early 19th-century cleaning manual I mentioned preserves the gloss of chintz curtains by washing them in water and rice boiled in the water, using the rice instead of soap, and eventually straining it out. This would starch the fabric. "Then rub it with a sleeking stone, or glaze it, and it is finished." Another recipe says to wash the chintz in soap and water, then starch it with flour or starch, then glaze it. It might be worth investigating in detail how glazed fabric was produced before calendering machines were invented. I suspect a lot could be done by energetic rubbing with stones or some such nonmechanized tool, and/or by brushing on some coating. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 15:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HKcEie032276 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HJr92L022979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HJqrVs044584; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HJqmOc044392 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A78779F60088; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:52:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 17 Jan 05 19:52:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4fcce$36903720$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050117173943.827127D51@sm4app04.siteprotect.com> <41EC0105.6050803@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:53:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (With a chuckle), I have a friend who brought me some Egyptian cotton right off the loom in Cairo that has a shiny finish. It is produced by two men beating it with wooden paddles as the piece is rolling from the weaving process.... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat > > >Calimanco is another glazed wool that was frequently used for 18th c. quilted > >petticoats. I have a detailed description of the manufacturing process in a 19th > >century textile dictionary at home. > > > > > The short definition in the 1882 _Encyclopedia of Needlework_ is "This > material resembles Tammies and Durants. It is highly glazed, and can be > had plain or twilled, raised in stripes or brocaded . . . It is employed > for women's petticoats." > > >I'm not sure a consumer version of a mangle iron could provide a sufficient amount > >of either to produce the original finish, but it might be able to maintain it after > >laundering. It would be worth investigating. > > > > > At least it is possible to get hold of a mangle and fit it into a house, > for the purpose of experimentation. > > Chintz is of course a different fabric, but the early 19th-century > cleaning manual I mentioned preserves the gloss of chintz curtains by > washing them in water and rice boiled in the water, using the rice > instead of soap, and eventually straining it out. This would starch the > fabric. "Then rub it with a sleeking stone, or glaze it, and it is > finished." Another recipe says to wash the chintz in soap and water, > then starch it with flour or starch, then glaze it. > > It might be worth investigating in detail how glazed fabric was produced > before calendering machines were invented. I suspect a lot could be > done by energetic rubbing with stones or some such nonmechanized tool, > and/or by brushing on some coating. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 16:38:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLcUS1000762 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HLbb2L004596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLbReU031816; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLbIoM031632 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200501172137130140013kj1e>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:37:13 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:37:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41EC0105.6050803@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Again, not to be no fun, but the folks on 18C Woman really seem to have gone through a variety of the home-made options to no avail -- either the wool we have doesn't take a sheen without pretty heavy pressure, or the home devices just don't provide the right pressure, or there are chemical glazing additives involved, or all of the above. Anyway the result has been unsatisfactory. "Tammy" is one of the fabrics that was often glazed, but the sources I've seen do differentiate between glazed and unglazed tammies, and Humphries offers both glazed and unglazed. Indeed if I could get my hands on some of their glazed stuff I would try VERY hard to analyze it and see if the process could be replicated perhaps on commercially machine-woven wools. . But really, if you're interested, hunt on glazed wool in the 18C woman list archives; they've really tried a lot of options. Lauren, the wet, unglazed, wool blanket >> I'm not sure a consumer version of a mangle iron could provide a sufficient >> amount >> of either to produce the original finish, but it might be able to maintain it >> after >> laundering. It would be worth investigating. >> >> > At least it is possible to get hold of a mangle and fit it into a house, > for the purpose of experimentation. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 16:51:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLp8Vx000863 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HLoN2L006053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:50:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLoIip048217; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HLoG2Q048170 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:50:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.96] (pm7-096.eos.net [205.133.149.96]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0HLbdxB027554 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:50:12 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:35:36 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501171902.j0HJ2Dve032427@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: glazed wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So then is glazed wool something that can only be produced by a mechanical roller, and thus a very late thing possible only after the industrial revolution? Or is it a finish you could get earlier? Just curious -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 17:56:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HMuQjO001395 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:56:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HMtQ2L012258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HMtF2H003039; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HMt8ZF002935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-157.sonic.net [209.148.113.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0HMt6k4019173 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:55:07 -0800 Message-ID: <41EC424E.9020207@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:55:10 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One great thing about h-costume is that its members research textiles and costumes for many eras. Personally I think information on pre-industrial wool treatments could be very informative. The ingredients are supposed to be (a) a coating and/or (b) rubbing or pressure/flattening and/or (c) heat. All of which can be applied with quite simple equipment, although the exact method might take some experimentation. I'm not saying that you have to glaze wool, I'm just saying that I bet _someone_ could do it on a home basis if they did enough research and/or experimentation. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Lauren Walker wrote: >Again, not to be no fun, but the folks on 18C Woman really seem to have gone >through a variety of the home-made options to no avail -- either the wool we >have doesn't take a sheen without pretty heavy pressure, or the home devices >just don't provide the right pressure, or there are chemical glazing >additives involved, or all of the above. Anyway the result has been >unsatisfactory. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 18:07:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HN77nO001468 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:07:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HN6X2L013275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:06:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HN6SjF011543; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0HN61ca011214 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69399 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2005 23:05:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FtFGqul+fW/q8J6Ta2SLJ6BraOHY0M2/l1lcCk6KdtMqddN7xwfCaSmugcUagaCd/EGGySwZpOUxOaYUNyYcyQCynthDp6HRZXuCl7n7SDall4GhaWB2yiVN5IG2OOrXKaODH+++GWIViv7+BNt54l+bLPdz1qiExNBpOakssWo= ; Message-ID: <20050117230556.69397.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.12] by web51306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:05:55 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <41EB9687.8020307@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I don't know what glazed wool is - does it look more > shiny? Flatter? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent It looks shiny, sort of a satin luster, based on the glazed-wool petticoats and quilts I have seen, mostly at the American Textile History Museum in Lowell, MA. The stitching interupts the surface pleasantly to really show clearly. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 18:36:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HNa5Cs001731 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HNZC2L015997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HNZ7qS033545; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0HNZ33p033504 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-6296); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:35:02 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:35:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050117152159.00d72690@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:34:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool In-Reply-To: <20050117230556.69397.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <41EB9687.8020307@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:05 PM 1/17/2005 -0800, you wrote: > > I don't know what glazed wool is - does it look more > > shiny? Flatter? > > > > -- > > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > >It looks shiny, sort of a satin luster, based on the >glazed-wool petticoats and quilts I have seen, mostly >at the American Textile History Museum in Lowell, MA. > > >The stitching interupts the surface pleasantly to >really show clearly. > >Ann in CT Trying to "glaze" wool broadcloth, which is generally twill-woven with a worsted warp but a woolen weft, would not result in a smooth or shiny surface. And gabardine, which is twill-woven with worsted yarns, is probably too dense (twills usually have more wefts per inch than warps). A plain (or tabby) weave with worsted both as warp and weft would probably "glaze" with the same kind of beetling that is done with linen fabric; this would tend to flatten the threads and emphasize the parallel arrangement of the fibers in the threads. Hmmm... I wish I could find out the ends-per-inch (epi) in warp and weft and wraps-per-inch (wpi, a measure of thread diameter) for an actual sample. That would provide a basis for experimenting. From your friendly fiber fan, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 19:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I07RK0001902 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:07:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I06c2L018999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I05IKw055443; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I04TXl054530 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011800042201500cn5kde>; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:04:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:04:23 -0500 From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050117230556.69397.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0I04TXl054530 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pretty, pretty examples of glazed wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are some nice pictures of quilted glazed wools here among some other, non-glazed, quilted wools. http://www.bidwellhousemuseum.org/Collections/Quilts_overview_of_collection. htm Based on the info on that page I've just ordered some gum arabic to try on modern wools. If I get a good shine out of it I'll let you know. I'm optimistic because gum arabic is water-soluble and whatever glazed the glazed wools could not be washed as the glaze would wash out (a thing to keep in mind for your petticoats. Though if we can perfect a home-glazing method I guess you could reglaze after washing.) Olive oil has never made anything shiny for me and draws bugs, and based on that I was loath to try ironing egg whites into a fabric I was going to wear, either. They work on challah but you don't wear challah. So I'll let you know when the gum arabic gets here. I'm only being mopey about the possibilities because I've been thoroughly moped at and discouraged over at 18th C Woman. I kept saying, "Surely somebody could make this?" and there were just lots and lots of iterations of things people had tried that didn't work. But not everybody is as willing as I am to mess up some cloth and get junk on my iron see what happens. So I shall give the gum a try. The apparatus for the pressure as shown in Diderot is pretty darn big -- seems to involve boxes of rocks and man-sized wheel rollers and stuff. I'm trying to get a better copy of the pages from L'Encyclopedié to check out the mechanics more carefully. I don't know if you count Diderot as pre- or post-Industrial Revolution. I tend to think of the IR as synonymous with the turn of the 19th century, which is silly and imprecise of me but doesn't work too badly for most of the textile implications and obviously Diderot was dead by then. Whereas by the 1840s you still see whole-cloth quilts but they are no longer of glazed wool. It appears that smaller glazers -- heated glass spheres, stones, etc. -- don't make enough of an impression on the wool to get a real shine going. But possibly the gum will answer all. Lauren -- > >> I don't know what glazed wool is - does it look more >> shiny? Flatter? >> >> -- >> Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > It looks shiny, sort of a satin luster, based on the > glazed-wool petticoats and quilts I have seen, mostly > at the American Textile History Museum in Lowell, MA. > > > The stitching interupts the surface pleasantly to > really show clearly. > > Ann in CT > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 19:10:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I0AaQl001922 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I0A02L019425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I09Vtj058831; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I07bhv057463 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050118000732014000u6c7e>; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:07:32 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:07:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050117152159.00d72690@pop.surewest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO PS: I agree it's got to be tried on a worsted tabby, that twills aren't going to have the right surface. I've got some tropical and suit-weight commercially made worsted tabbies around the house and can always cook up some more on the loom if they don't respond. But I still think the secret is partly chemical -- if you l look at the shine on some of these http://www.bidwellhousemuseum.org/Collections/Quilts_overview_of_collection. htm, well, that's not just pressure, there. Lauren Who really has been obsessed with this for two years now > From: Joan Jurancich > > Trying to "glaze" wool broadcloth, which is generally twill-woven with a > worsted warp but a woolen weft, would not result in a smooth or shiny > surface. And gabardine, which is twill-woven with worsted yarns, is > probably too dense (twills usually have more wefts per inch than warps). A > plain (or tabby) weave with worsted both as warp and weft would probably > "glaze" with the same kind of beetling that is done with linen fabric; this > would tend to flatten the threads and emphasize the parallel arrangement of > the fibers in the threads. Hmmm... I wish I could find out the > ends-per-inch (epi) in warp and weft and wraps-per-inch (wpi, a measure of > thread diameter) for an actual sample. That would provide a basis for > experimenting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 19:29:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I0T7T2002084 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I0SL2L021474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I0SI9x071091; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I0S8ek070912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0I0M1TA010366 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:22:01 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:22:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EC5816.1050505@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:28:06 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pretty, pretty examples of glazed wool References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lauren Walker wrote: > There are some nice pictures of quilted glazed wools here among some other, > non-glazed, quilted wools. > > http://www.bidwellhousemuseum.org/Collections/Quilts_overview_of_collection. > htm Thank you! That's so shiny, it looks like worked leather, or like a quilt made of a vinyl tablecloth. Wow. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 21:05:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I25umG002663 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I24v2L029169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I24iBS034066; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I24WDU033906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-147.sonic.net [209.148.114.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0I24Sfh032002 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:04:29 -0800 Message-ID: <41EC6EB1.1010306@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:04:33 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pretty, pretty examples of glazed wool References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >shall give the gum a try. > >The apparatus for the pressure as shown in Diderot is pretty darn big -- >seems to involve boxes of rocks and man-sized wheel rollers and stuff. I'm >trying to get a better copy of the pages from L'Encyclopedié to check out >the mechanics more carefully. I don't know if you count Diderot as pre- or >post-Industrial Revolution. I tend to think of the IR as synonymous with the >turn of the 19th century, which is silly and imprecise of me but doesn't >work too badly for most of the textile implications and obviously Diderot >was dead by then. > The Industrial Revolution is supposed to be a transitional period, and the dates for England circa 1750 to circa 1850. Wyatt's steam engine was invented in 1769. However, you don't necessarily need a huge engine for the purpose, any more than you need an industrial loom to weave cloth. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 21:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I2H9Ri002738 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:17:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I2Db2L029903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I2DYZT040035; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I2DVlM039999 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cqis6-00038T-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: <41EC70D0.4030404@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:36 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you all for such an fascinating topic. Can anyone tell me if there is a difference is between Matelasse and this type of quilting? I notice that almost all of them are backed with a yellow/gold/buff backing...any thoughts on why this was so predominant? Wow! Makes me wanna' go try glazing on wool. Any idea of how far back it goes? That ivy leaf pattern is incredible....looks almost 3d.... Did I say that I love this group? Sg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 22:42:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I3gVsl003707 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:42:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I3fd2L006375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I3fVdZ095595; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (cmlapp16.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I3fSgc095567 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-68-41-113.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.68.41.113]) by cmlapp16.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E3431260 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:41:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:41:10 -0500 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001c01c4fd0f$92fe1b80$0300a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20050117173943.827127D51@sm4app04.siteprotect.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0I3fSgc095567 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a detailed article on Calendering in the September 1852 issue of Godey's Lady's Book. To summarize: Glazing: (The fabric) must first be damped by passing slowly over the damping or degging-machine, containing a circular brush, the points of which, as they rapidly revolve, just touch the surface of the water, and dash up a cloud of fine spray against the cloth. This being completed, and the whole of the cloth uniformly damped, it now passes to the calendaring machine - a number of rollers contained in a massive framework. The rollers are connected with a long lever loaded with weights at the further extremity, by which, or by means of screws, almost any amount of force may be obtained, and the surface texture of the cloth varied at pleasure. (snip) It will be taken for granted by those who have never witnessed the operations, that the rollers are all of iron; but this is not the case: they are of cast-iron, wood, paper, or calico, according to the uses for which they are designed. In Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods (1900 edition), the definition for glazing refers the reader to the definition for calendaring. Cole's describes calendaring as a mechanical process by which cloth is given a perfectly smooth and even surface and sometimes a superficial glaze. (snip) The machine was introduced into England from Flanders in the 17th century. During the two hundred years and over that have passes since its introduction and adoption, no material alteration or improvement has been made in the original machine; nor have any great advances been made in the practical application of it. (snip) The object is to compress the threads, reduce them to a degree of flatness, and finish the cloth with an additional luster. When the cloth is submitted to friction, as well as the pressure between heated rollers, a glaze finish is produced. The frictional effect is obtained by a reciprocating motion of the cylinders, the latter being geared to revolve at different rates of speed. In both sources, the sections on linen and cotton refer to the use of starch in the glazing process; the section on wool does not. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 3-6, 2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 17 23:42:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I4geMW004682 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I4fs2L010708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:41:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I4fjYu032941; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0I4fgEq032909 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-23031); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:41 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050117203104.00d789b0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:41:35 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool In-Reply-To: <41EC70D0.4030404@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:13 PM 1/17/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you all for such an fascinating topic. Can anyone tell me if there >is a difference is between Matelasse and this type of quilting? >I notice that almost all of them are backed with a yellow/gold/buff >backing...any thoughts on why this was so predominant? > >Wow! Makes me wanna' go try glazing on wool. Any idea of how far back it >goes? > >That ivy leaf pattern is incredible....looks almost 3d.... > >Did I say that I love this group? > >Sg According to Montgomery's "Textiles in America" (page 292): "Matelasse: A term applied to a silk or woolen textile which has a raised figure or flower on the surface and appears to have been machine quilted. The word is derived from the French matelasser, to quilt or wad. 'Very fine descriptions' of silk matelasse were produced in the 1880s for dresses, mantles, and opera cloaks; others made of wool were used for mantles and jackets (Caulfield and Saward). "According to the CIETA definition, matelasse is a double-woven textile with a quilted appearance. A wadding weft is used to increase the relief. "See also Marcella." From your friendly fiber fan, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 00:22:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I5MBM4005305 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I5Ld2L013741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I5LYdY056665; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0I5LW96056595 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011805212601500cohloe>; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:21:26 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:21:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41EC70D0.4030404@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Matelasse was developed to simulate this kind of quilting -- they look a lot alike because that was the idea. Matelasse is basically a kind of doubleweave. As I understand it, although the older stuff was done in linen and the designs may have changed, modern matelasse is technically very much like 18th C matelasse. Whereas quilting is done with a needle and thread through multiple layers of fabric and batting. My guess on the buff/yellow backings is that it's probably the color of undyed wool, or a color that wouldn't leach onto the top color. But it's just a guess. And I still say the only thing I own that could put a ton or so of pressure on a piece of wool is my car. Possibly when the weather gets better I'll try driving over some wool between metal plates. But maybe the secret is the gum arabic, and the pressure is a red herring, and soon we can all play! And also I must apologize -- I forget that historical costume may be interested primarily in re-creating a look. I'm kind of obsessed with re-creating the actual technology. Lauren > From: Wicked Frau > Reply-To: Historical Costume > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:13:36 -0700 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool > > Thank you all for such an fascinating topic. Can anyone tell me if > there is a difference is between Matelasse and this type of quilting? > I notice that almost all of them are backed with a yellow/gold/buff > backing...any thoughts on why this was so predominant? > > Wow! Makes me wanna' go try glazing on wool. Any idea of how far back > it goes? > > That ivy leaf pattern is incredible....looks almost 3d.... > > Did I say that I love this group? > > Sg > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 09:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IEkweI010789 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:46:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IEkK2L026077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IEk0qm067852; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IEjwuG067789 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m89.in-tch.com [216.166.191.89]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0IEhBI01722 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:43:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41ED2252.5010809@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:50:58 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And some of us are both, but have to "settle" for less-than-optimal. I'm finding the whole discussion just fascinating, and I don't even really *do* 18th c. reenactment (although I'd like to....live in the wrong part of the US for anything like that). That's actually one of the things I like about this list not just being for one type of costumer--I get all kinds of tidbits from this sort of discussion, to Albert talking about his work with moview, etc. It's all worth knowing! ;-) --sue in icy/snowy Montana... Lauren Walker wrote: > Hi, > Matelasse was developed to simulate this kind of quilting -- they look a lot > alike because that was the idea. Matelasse is basically a kind of > doubleweave. As I understand it, although the older stuff was done in linen > and the designs may have changed, modern matelasse is technically very much > like 18th C matelasse. > > Whereas quilting is done with a needle and thread through multiple layers of > fabric and batting. > > My guess on the buff/yellow backings is that it's probably the color of > undyed wool, or a color that wouldn't leach onto the top color. But it's > just a guess. > > And I still say the only thing I own that could put a ton or so of pressure > on a piece of wool is my car. Possibly when the weather gets better I'll try > driving over some wool between metal plates. But maybe the secret is the gum > arabic, and the pressure is a red herring, and soon we can all play! > > And also I must apologize -- I forget that historical costume may be > interested primarily in re-creating a look. I'm kind of obsessed with > re-creating the actual technology. > > Lauren > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 10:34:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IFYc0W011575 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:34:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IFY12L001188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IFXwZJ005621; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web13422.mail.yahoo.com (web13422.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0IFXqmN005535 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97064 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2005 15:27:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wNfj9Zle0R5ZZl1s00ToyIy1Fos9TBONQuIxLL9NErY1p9IC4IfW2sDC/K0pyGtmbe4v8ojTrWU1qSUr3x1/X26J++ptyCXGRWfEmcVhwtD/J+EVzmpy/5ri321ft1XuTTsFP+VKMQJqkhW1Vvx1D3C9AAl0rSXynzmkaw/WdjQ= ; Message-ID: <20050118152710.97062.qmail@web13422.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.49.7.219] by web13422.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:27:10 PST Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:27:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glazed wool, and other alternatives for 18th c. petticoats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Given the lack of availability of glazed wool, I made mine out of regular wool (suit-weight worsted). Believe me, people are STILL impressed, even though it's not glazed. Alternatively, I believe I've seen references to quilted petticoats with the outermost layer of linen or cotton (not as common as wool, but feasible), and, of course, silk. If you wanted to make this for a 'camp follower' impression, you could make a silk petticoat and artificially distress it... -- Mara ===== --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 10:37:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IFbU33011628 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:37:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IFaW2L001475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IFaUg2007592; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IFYDhe005788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-196.sonic.net [209.148.113.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0IFYBe3002434 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:12 -0800 Message-ID: <41ED2C77.2080509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:15 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] glazed wool References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If, in fact, quantity of pressure is what is needed--repeated pressure with something lighter might do the trick. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > >And I still say the only thing I own that could put a ton or so of pressure >on a piece of wool is my car. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 11:42:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IGgUfO012674 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:42:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IGfn2L009113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IGfX7N063008; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IGfTn6062872 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so165851wra for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=O9ZHMCjjPuuZg2csw9wt1KnRN2RNKD2oTopGttvVNe1LOCAljGUud6fupSAA7L8Ko2lldhFKQmqqewrMMj9nnOGVQxAGun1FtuL/oIJZcRcdG6b+8/cypRkrkIo0Wxn+4xjDmQNUZzbTdyc7gMhoxbzCnXFneUuGDIxv8H/BAaA= Received: by 10.54.37.68 with SMTP id k68mr126084wrk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c050118084124fa747c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:41:23 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice In-Reply-To: <004801c4fc2b$1a432da0$5c159b04@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com> <01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO> <8296995c05011613034669d783@mail.gmail.com> <004801c4fc2b$1a432da0$5c159b04@HELENPINTO> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And that's exactly why I don't trust my memory so well when it comes to names. C, S, they're not even close. And I see maybe three movies in a year, so I don't recognize the name at all. Thanks for the correction, Helen. Lynnd On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:25:44 -0500, Helen Pinto wrote: > No, sorry, it's Sammy Sheldon. I may have jumped to a conclusion about > Sammy's gender and Sammy may actually be a woman, but I've got the name > right, at least. > -Helen/Aidan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Downward" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice > > > You know, Helen, I tried to remember it but I just can't. It was a > > woman and I want to say that both her first and last names started > > with "C" but I'm just not certain. We went out to dinner after and had > > a wonderful time and I simply cannot remember after our date. I > > believe that the website is themerchantofvenice or merchantofvenice or > > something, so perhaps a google search will give that info. I have to > > leave and be somewhere in about half an hour or I'd do the search. > > > > LynnD > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:33:18 -0500, Helen Pinto > > wrote: > >> Sylvia wrote: > >> > >> > Do you know who the costume designer was? > >> > > >> > >> Sammy Sheldon. His CV is here: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1234336/ He > >> hasn't done much, at least in film. (NB: Canterbury Tales is modern > >> dress, > >> very liberal adaptation, but good and currently running on BBCAmerica.) > >> > >> -Helen/Aidan > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 12:11:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHBOpl013139 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:11:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IHAJ2L012622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHADZT087944; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHABjZ087897 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.249] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cqwro-0005Zl-3i for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <014701c4fd80$8cc6b350$f9159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8296995c050116105036fd0049@mail.gmail.com><01ea01c4fc0a$9deaa690$1e159b04@HELENPINTO><8296995c05011613034669d783@mail.gmail.com><004801c4fc2b$1a432da0$5c159b04@HELENPINTO> <8296995c050118084124fa747c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merchant of Venice Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:10:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0ba8fe4bb13fbba1d4f72e316c3d4d7026350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.249 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No problem. I see lots and stay through the credits. (And Pacino didn't spit anywhere near as much as he did as Richard at the Public around ten years ago...) -Helen/Aidan > And that's exactly why I don't trust my memory so well when it comes > to names. C, S, they're not even close. And I see maybe three movies > in a year, so I don't recognize the name at all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 12:41:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHewUd013660 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:41:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IHdo2L015778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHcoh7012505; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHckaG012424 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:38:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02312 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:49:21 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0IHckaG012424 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received an email today asking my advice as follows. I have no idea, but thought someone here might be able to help her. Reply to me or on-list and I'll forward the responses. --Robin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I am attempting to locate copies of the first three NESAT volumes edited by Lise Bender Jörgensen : 1) Textilsymposium Neumünster (NESAT 1), with Klaus Tidow, Neumünster 1982 2) Archaeological Textiles (NESAT 2), with B. Magnus & E. Munksgaard, Copenhagen 1988. ISBN: 8750369539; Series ISSN: 0901-6732 3) Textiles in Northern Archaeology, Textile Symposium in York, North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles Monograph 3, NESAT III; London Archetype Publications, 1990; ISBN 1-873132-05-0 They are not available, even for interlibrary loan in the USA. Would you have any suggestions as to where I could locate these? I would gladly purchase copies. -----end forward----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 12:43:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHhGno013697 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IHg92L016093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHg5q5015180; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0IHfYXX014709 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@net.indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 17:41:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050118173349.0149cf98@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:39:25 +0000 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paris Costume Museums - someone visiting? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, but I have gone brain dead. Was it someone on this list who was asking about information on costume visiting in Paris? If so, I have finally remembered the name of the museum which is principally on costume - Musee Galliera, which is the Museum of Costume and Fashion. However, there is a new exhibition going on in March, so it may be closed for a while. http://www.paris-touristoffice.com/cgi-bin/otp_v2.cgi?Target=va2/sejour/musee/detailmusee&ID=294&type=Museum&user_idsession=70833371472581453702604572524803 If not, I apologise for taking your time, and will have to rack my brains as to who I was "talking" to. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 12:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHmwWY013809 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IHls2L016882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHl6bG019455; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IHl2KD019301 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0IHkTlf031135 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050118123938.055fc5e0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:45:58 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell In-Reply-To: <200501180444.j0I4iiYr034850@net.indra.com> References: <200501180444.j0I4iiYr034850@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looking at the glazed-wool quilts on what strikes me is that the visual effect is similar to that of ironing (not *pressing*, but *ironing*) at high pressure, at a higher heat setting than is generally recommended for the fabric. In my limited experience, this is particularly true of modern worsted wools that have been blended with a touch of polyester or nylon, and/or which have been lightly starched with brand-name spray-starch. (Starch, lightly iron until the starch is no longer sticky, then bear down on the iron while moving it around the cloth.) FWIW, I usually end up putting a lot of pressure on an iron set to high temp and high steam for almost ALL fibers in order to get the wrinkles out to my satisfaction... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 13:37:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIba4X014633 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IIah2L023157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIadaS062304; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIaadq062275 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CqyDU-0000Gc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:36:36 -0800 Message-ID: <41ED573C.2040101@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:44 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is the second title: I will try to find the others Sg Location Library Code MA HARVARD UNIV, TOZZER LIBR TOZ MD WALTERS ART MUSEUM WL2 EU BRITISH LIBR BRI EU CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD EU UNIV OF OXFORD EQO Record for Item: "Archaeological textiles :..."( Libraries with Item ) Get This Item # Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 5 # Borrow this item from another library (Interlibrary Loan) Find Related More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Title: Archaeological textiles : report from the 2nd NESAT symposium 1.-4. V. 1984 / Author(s): Jørgensen, Lise Bender. ; Magnus, Bente. ; Munksgaard, Elisabeth. Conf Author(s): NESAT Symposium (2nd : 1984 : Bergen, Norway) Publication: København K, Danmark : Arkaeologisk institut, Københavns universitet, Year: 1988 Description: 272 p. : ill. ; 30 cm. Language: English Series: Arkaeologiske skrifter,; 2; Standard No: ISBN: 8750369539; Series ISSN: 0901-6732 ; SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Textile fabrics, Prehistoric -- Europe -- Congresses. Geographic: Europe -- Antiquities -- Congresses. Note(s): English and German./ Includes bibliographical references. Responsibility: [editors, Lise Bender Jørgensen, Bente Magnus & Elisabeth Munksgaard]. Material Type: Conference publication (cnp) Document Type: Book Entry: 19881207 Update: 20041129 Accession No: OCLC: 18850659 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 13:40:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIeaAW014679 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:40:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IIdj2L023593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIdixF064857; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIdZw5064732 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CqyGM-0001cE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:39:35 -0800 Message-ID: <41ED57F0.1090701@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:39:44 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The 3rd title: Title: Textiles in northern archaeology : NESAT III, textile symposium in York, 6-9 May 1987 Author: North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles Display All Libraries Libraries with Item: "Textiles in northern arch..."( Record for Item | Get This Item ) Location Library Code AZ In your library ARIZONA STATE UNIV AZS AZ UNIV OF ARIZONA AZU CA LOS ANGELES CNTY MUS OF ART CAM NM UNIV OF NEW MEXICO IQU Record for Item: "Textiles in northern arch..."( Libraries with Item ) Get This Item # Availability: FirstSearch indicates your institution owns the item. Libraries worldwide that own item: 25 In your library ARIZONA STATE UNIV # Borrow this item from another library (Interlibrary Loan) Find Related More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ... Title: Textiles in northern archaeology : NESAT III, textile symposium in York, 6-9 May 1987 / Author(s): Rogers, Penelope Walton. ; Wild, John Peter. Conf Author(s): North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles (3rd : 1987 : York, England) Publication: London : Archetype Publications, Year: 1990 Description: 231 p. : ill. ; 25 cm. Language: English Series: Monograph / North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles ;; 3; Variation: Monograph (North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles) ;; 3 Standard No: ISBN: 1873132050 SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Textile fabrics -- Europe, Northern -- Congresses. Textile fabrics -- History -- Congresses. Archaeology -- Europe, Northern -- Congresses. Identifier: Textile products; Archaeology; Europe Note(s): Includes bibliographical references (p. 229-231). Class Descriptors: LC: GN432 N67 1987; Dewey: 746.094 Other Titles: NESAT III. Responsibility: edited by Penelope Walton and John-Peter Wild. Material Type: Conference publication (cnp) Document Type: Book Entry: 19910416 Update: 20010713 Accession No: OCLC: 24721000 Database: WorldCat > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 13:49:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIn5sC014811 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IIlW2L024485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIlNoF071632; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIlJmi071571 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CqyNq-00055c-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:47:18 -0800 Message-ID: <41ED59BE.70208@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:47:26 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *The first title: Note that the date does not match the request, but the place, name etc does...??? * * IN UNIV OF NOTRE DAME **IND** * * PA BRYN MAWR **COL** BMC * * VT UNIV OF **VERMONT**, BAILEY LIBR VTU * * * *Record for Item: "Textilsymposium Neumünste..."( Libraries with Item )* * Get This Item* *# Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries worldwide that own item: 3* *# Borrow this item from another library (Interlibrary Loan)* * Find Related* *More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | Advanced options ...* *Title: Textilsymposium Neumünster, 4.-7. 5. 1993 (NESAT V) :* *archäologische Textilfunde = archaeological textiles /* *Author(s): Jaacks, Gisela. ; Tidow, Klaus. * *Conf Author(s): North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles (5th : 1993 : **Neumünster**, **Germany**)* *Publication: [**Neumünster**, **Germany**] : Textilmuseum Neumünster,* *Year: 1994* *Description: 264 p. : ill., maps ; 24 cm.* *Language: German; Contributions in German and English.* * SUBJECT(S)* *Descriptor: Textile fabrics, Ancient -- Congresses. * *Textile fabrics, Medieval -- Congresses. * *Note(s): Includes bibliographical references.* *Class Descriptors: LC: TS1767* *Other Titles: Archäologische Textilfunde; Archaeological textiles; Textilsymposium Neumünster* *Responsibility: [Redaktion, Gisela Jaacks und Klaus Tidow].* *Material Type: Conference publication (cnp)* *Document Type: Book* *Entry: 19970224* *Update: 19990908* *Accession No: OCLC: 36437571* *Database: WorldCat* > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 13:59:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIxTmB014980 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:59:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IIwU2L025618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:58:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIwQmw080401; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IIwNXs080322 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:58:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03165 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:09:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:08:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs In-Reply-To: <41ED573C.2040101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > Here is the second title: I will try to find the others > > MA HARVARD UNIV, TOZZER LIBR TOZ > MD WALTERS ART MUSEUM WL2 > EU BRITISH LIBR BRI > EU CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD > EU UNIV OF OXFORD EQO I asked her myself about ILL, and just got a reply from her. 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 14:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJZGG9015618 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IJYT2L029442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJYLOE011391; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0IJYHPJ011239 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:34:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1992 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2005 19:34:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=au30CCbZUKF3nXbP39+CjxGYRaxTSrbZhj2jThOVz5Nynq5cb8Tg8aYE3jCFv68IybE73ii3h/sO9ra7Mt+AK+tDNoSbOlHytvuW8hLAgNhGR9oZNBGR2jAQTWgwt9/HYWKDLOS1+dhWxhHZModQtV+YOiHIxjZZ66c6DhB+YBo= ; Message-ID: <20050118193410.1990.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:34:10 PST Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501181903.j0IJ2OmZ083798@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 34 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO THat is one of the reasons I lurk both this list and 18c womens list. I'm interested in both. So many of the 18 cent reenactors I come into contact with may be doing 18 cent stuff and wearing 18c clothes, but don't LOOK 18cent So many people on this list look 18 cent, just like they stepped out of a painting. ANd no, I'm not near 18c looking enough, but I'm still trying, and listening to everyone Mia in Charlotte 1. Re: glazed wool (Lauren Walker) And also I must apologize -- I forget that historical costume may be interested primarily in re-creating a look. I'm kind of obsessed with re-creating the actual technology. Lauren > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 14:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJls3A015805 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IJiF2L000514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:44:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJiB9Q019438; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJi5kC019342 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so6663rng for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=p70MZdxXQJAYwsdPesQjw/rd0lVeF5l7J+RM2j4ILAC64YmPF+5WfKFmOVo5VWrliBn/THWHG4vDJ0zWgkCpMWB+n+TL8WVCIpANmTgvA29EMu0WWV3DgQquwDsmRObavgX/tTC7XhtbfWHzoQlAAo0CKLIu+UL2nryJRUcBsY4= Received: by 10.38.125.48 with SMTP id x48mr184109rnc; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 79sm2720rnc.2005.01.18.11.44.02; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0IJi5kC019342 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Robin, There's not much to be done about the 1st two volumes given the information below. But there are plenty of other choices for volume 3. ON MCMASTER UNIV AZ ARIZONA STATE UNIV AZ UNIV OF ARIZONA CA LOS ANGELES CNTY MUS OF ART CT YALE UNIV LIBR DC SMITHSONIAN INST FL FLORIDA STATE UNIV HI UNIV OF HAWAII AT MANOA MA AMERICAN TEXTILE HIST MUS LIBR MA HARVARD UNIV, TOZZER LIBR NJ PRINCETON UNIV NM UNIV OF NEW MEXICO NY CORNELL UNIV NY NEW YORK UNIV NY SUNY AT BUFFALO PA UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA VA COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG FOUND RES LIBR WA UNIV OF WASHINGTON LIBR Has she checkted the usual suspects for second hand books? Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs I asked her myself about ILL, and just got a reply from her. She says that she's already located the copies in the ILL system. Harvard and the Walters do not loan their copies, and she can't get international copies through her library system. That's why she wrote me for ideas on where to go now. If anyone has a lead on where she can find, buy, or borrow a copy through other means, I'll pass it on to her. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 14:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJojvZ015833 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IJml2L001036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJmXHE023170; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJmHhF022903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IJg6TA018670 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:42:06 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:42:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41ED67FD.30208@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:48:13 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Original "looking for glazed wool" message? References: <20050118191146.50381.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050118191146.50381.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone else had trouble with this orginal message? > I can neither open it nor delete it. This sort of behavior often indicates the message has somehow gotten corrupted on your own computer. I'm not seeing any peculiar behavior from it. Try rebooting (if you haven't already.) cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 14:54:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJsI8W015853 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IJqs2L001538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:52:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJqlf9026975; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IJqVji026743 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03705 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:03:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:03:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/667/Sat Jan 15 19:19:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Joanna wrote: > There's not much to be done about the 1st two volumes given the > information below. But there are plenty of other choices for volume > 3. She apparently is trying for ILL on that one; success will depend on her local library system, which doesn't sound too promising from what she said. Thus her efforts to find a copy to buy. Thanks, though, for the list; I'll pass it to her in case her own library didn't give her that info. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 15:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IKwoa9016227 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:58:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0IKvZ2L008148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IKvB2Y079204; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0IKv7Tm079078 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A3425D5 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41ED780F.60300@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Harvard and the > Walters do not loan their copies, and she can't get international copies > through her library system. That's why she wrote me for ideas on where to > go now. > > If anyone has a lead on where she can find, buy, or borrow a copy through > other means, I'll pass it on to her. If there is a particular article in each issue that she wants, there is a possibility that the pages can be photocopied (usually for a fee) if the actual issue cannot be borrowed. The hard way to do it would be to contact a student at one of those institutions and pay them to make the copies for her. I had to do that once or twice as a student myself, but the internet was a much smaller place back then. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 19:09:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J09tQe018218 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:09:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J0912L028641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J08oup042883; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J06LX1041080 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip20.cluster1.charter.net (mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.150]) by mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0J06FnX025566 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:06:15 -0500 Received: from c68.185.168.55.mad.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (68.185.168.55) by mxip20.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2005 19:06:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3k70il$j7r2qq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,136,1102309200"; d="scan'217,208"; a="645761882:sNHT18099684" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:06:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT9uqtZSegEzQDjRY25njCMj2ZSew== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pattern review? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History pattern for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). I want to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern (this seems to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The Great Pattern Review did not include this pattern. Anybody? ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 19:27:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0RGon018442 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J0QX2L000351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0QTBl053993; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0J0QMen053878 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 00:26:17 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:24:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-Reply-To: <3k70il$j7r2qq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:06 18/01/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History pattern >for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). I want >to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern (this seems >to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The Great >Pattern Review did not include this pattern. Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use the original? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 19:42:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0gxdo018523 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J0Zp2L001217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:35:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0ZmPm059838; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:35:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0Zh4m059749 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LJSD0O2UK0GWMMIQ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:57 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LJSD0NZMOWGWNNN0@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:57 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:49 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41EDAB29.6000006@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 18:06 18/01/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History >> pattern >> for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). > > > Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use > the original? Because scaling up and re-sizing patterns is a pain in the arse, especially if one isn't terribly experienced? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 19:45:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0jnSf018536 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:45:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J0ix2L001913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0itqN064992; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0J0iopI064895 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 00:44:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119003911.0149d8a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:42:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-Reply-To: <41EDAB29.6000006@paradise.net.nz> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:34 19/01/2005 +1300, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: > >>At 18:06 18/01/2005 -0600, you wrote: >> >>>I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History pattern >>>for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). >> >> >>Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use the >>original? > > >Because scaling up and re-sizing patterns is a pain in the arse, >especially if one isn't terribly experienced? I didn't know how to scale up patterns when I started - my husband used to do it for me. Now I never use commercial patterns for period stuff. If you are lucky enough to be able to drape, that is even better, but I understand that some people don't want to. I just resent people taking patterns from other people's research and making commercial patterns from them without permission. Maybe Reconstructing History don't do that, but I have never seen the 1598 corset anywhere except in Arnold. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 19:59:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0xYhE018725 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J0wl2L002919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0wgSI072792; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J0wd7t072686 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C64901ECD8C; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust133.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.133]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E7BBE1ECD72 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d6d01c4fdc2$179a2fc0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1><5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050119003911.0149d8a0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:59:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know about this specific pattern, but I do know that Kass McGann most certainly does her own research. Tons and tons of research. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > > Maybe Reconstructing History don't do that, but I have never seen the 1598 > corset anywhere except in Arnold. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 20:38:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1c7EO019361 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J1b82L005322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1ZkfI093227; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1Z9qW092808 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m74.in-tch.com [216.166.191.74]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0J1WJI21611 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:32:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41EDBA75.2090302@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:40:05 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe because it's easier to just use a pattern in the right size, rather than reinvent the wheel trying to resize an Arnold sketch? There's a lot of folks out there who don't have a lot of experience with flat patterning, or who just don't have the time to experiment. Using a pattern or creating your own would be one faction in deciding how much work a person wants to put into a project, and where they want to concentrate.... --Sue, who doesn't do 17th c. stuff, but who has always wanted one of those jackets! (or maybe two--one with blackwork, and one with polychrome embroidery) Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 18:06 18/01/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History >> pattern >> for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). I >> want >> to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern (this >> seems >> to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The Great >> Pattern Review did not include this pattern. > > > > Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use the > original? > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 20:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1rxQu019620 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:54:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J1qo2L006460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1qhJG002432; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J1qVcG002287 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.42.60ee4ac2 (4402) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:52:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <42.60ee4ac2.2f1f1756@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:52:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:41:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > There's a lot of folks out there who don't have a lot of experience with > flat patterning And never will if they keep buying commercial patterns..... I'd get the pattern if your like 3 sizes different from the example in Arnold. If you're close to the original garment [like no more than 3 to 5" than the original]....then get one of those cardboard cutting thingies gridded off in square inches and start plotting points. Adjust the size to your measurements and make a mock up. You'll love yourself for doing so. You'll have a deeper understanding of the garment and how cloth works on the human body. Next...drape a 1930s evening gown...you'll love yourself for that too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 21:37:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J2bIkY020392 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:37:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J2aW2L009379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J2aT6t026416; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:36:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0J2aQD4026335 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:36:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 02:36:20 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c4fdcf$abc02350$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:36:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use the > original? >I just resent people taking patterns from >other people's research and making commercial patterns from them without >permission. Maybe Reconstructing History don't do that, but I have never >seen the 1598 corset anywhere except in Arnold. Be careful about those assumptions. I certainly wouldn't say "all their patterns" are based on Janet Arnold--certainly not the Irish patterns (where Kass has actually looked at many of the originals in person and based her work on them). And having heard Kass speak, I know the quality of her research and original work. Janet Arnold didn't own those extant garments, you know, and there are others who have seen them in person and worked with them. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 22:30:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J3U43t021292 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J3T52L013771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J3Svxc054417; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J3SsIT054330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0J4bhOl009088 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:37:44 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:49:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501182249.40846.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 18 January 2005 2:44 pm, Joanna wrote: [snip] > Has she checkted the usual suspects for second hand books? Can't say whether Robin's friend has, but I have, and the last time I saw any of those three show up was over a year ago. If only I had been able to afford it then! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 23:40:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4e60O022559 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J4cn2L018647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4cgAn091106; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4abLh090103 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD03412C3 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050118202858.02343008@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:33:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-Reply-To: <3k70il$j7r2qq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:06 PM 1/18/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History pattern >for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). I want >to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern (this seems >to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The Great >Pattern Review did not include this pattern. > >Anybody? > ******************************************************************* >Rebecca Schmitt >aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence >Bristol Renaissance Faire Hi Rebecca Kass has a mail list for her patterns, and I would think there is a greater chance of people on that list of someone who's made up that pattern, and can give you an honest opinion about it. http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructinghistory.com Good luck. And if you do decide to use her pattern, please post a review here or on the Great Pattern Review for the rest as you blaze the trail. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 18 23:48:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4m3kh022731 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J4lG2L019227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4lBdJ095285; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J4dqSg091704 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.46.116] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cr7dH-00035p-HH for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:39:51 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type; b=G+CqB7XAPYqe1u3k8IdlgQOfWcBqAWpKb3bawBvbE2Z2lD2muliEUJIMS5S25mUT; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:07:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4781d07866980e91ecea99622d64853488eeac7568b559e289b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.116 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO NESAT 3 was still available for purchase through David Brown/Oxbow as of only a few years ago (when I purchased my copy). I wish we could convince NESAT to let someone re-print the first two volumes. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 00:14:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5EibE023172 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J5E82L020915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5E4qe009044; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5E1UY009014 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7513837460 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:14:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p085.stmo2.socket.net [64.85.214.87]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15767C446 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:14:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:13:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <3k70il$j7r2qq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have not used any Reconstructing History patterns yet but I will be as I am waiting with baited breath for the Cranch gown. I have four sets of material saved for it. I have heard from two who made the Irish dress and chemise with no problems. I have used Medieval Miscellania which is why I am not going to purchase their "German" frau dresses until after I get the RH gown as I hear the Kass's instruction are readable and might help me decipher MM's instructions. Though I guess I have more experience with patterns now to recognize the flubs in the pattern and recognize the oopses in the instructions with MM. My experience with MM was years ago and if I had not had such a bad experience with them I wouldn't have started adapting modern patterns. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 00:53:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5rl9U023775 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:53:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J5qp2L023504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5qgI3027902; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J5qd5X027796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0J71OwK015093 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:01:24 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:13:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501190113.22268.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 18 January 2005 10:07 pm, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > NESAT 3 was still available for purchase through David Brown/Oxbow as > of only a few years ago (when I purchased my copy). > > I have seen NESAT 3 and 4 on and off at David Brown Books--last time I checked they only had NESAT 5 and 6, which I already have. > > I wish we could convince NESAT to let someone re-print the first two > volumes. Me too! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 02:10:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J7AnCV027813 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J79E2L026964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J77Qng060485; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav18.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J766p5059756 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:06:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:05:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:07:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2005 07:06:00.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[550EBAA0:01C4FDF5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/673/Tue Jan 18 09:45:29 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > My thought was to paint > it with fabric paint - but there is the concern whether or not the paint would > hold up to the weather and washing. Okay, I know I'm very late for this, but latex paint will hold out to weather and washing (yes, wall paint). You can use real fabric paint, it's more expensive but IMO give nicer results (and te fabric remains more flexible), or regular crafts acrylic paint mixed with fabric medium and fixed with a hot iron. After they're fixed (or even before, as anyone who dropped some acrylic paint on a piece of clothing found out), they will stay there even after the fabric all around it has fallen to pieces :-) I've heard from some people that they use latex outdoors paint because it stands up to UV and weather better. I haven't tested it myself. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 02:41:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J7fFHb005188 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:41:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J7dx2L028617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:39:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0J7drNX076422; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0J7dcxO076264 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:39:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 07:39:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119072938.0149d9d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:36:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-Reply-To: <002901c4fdcf$abc02350$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:36 18/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings-- > > > Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not use the > > original? > > >I just resent people taking patterns from > >other people's research and making commercial patterns from them without > >permission. Maybe Reconstructing History don't do that, but I have never > >seen the 1598 corset anywhere except in Arnold. > >Be careful about those assumptions. I certainly wouldn't say "all their >patterns" are based on Janet Arnold--certainly not the Irish patterns (where >Kass has actually looked at many of the originals in person and based her >work on them). And having heard Kass speak, I know the quality of her >research and original work. Janet Arnold didn't own those extant garments, >you know, and there are others who have seen them in person and worked with >them. I didn't make assumptions, if you read what I wrote - I said "seem". Perhaps I phrased it badly and should have said that many of the patterns can also be found in Janet Arnold. I am aware that Kass does huge amounts of research, as I am providing her with some information myself. Suzi, who didn't mean to offend, but gets indignant on other people's behalf. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 05:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JAGTnN013010 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:16:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JAB42L004931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JAAGH5045484; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JAAD0Q045442 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:09:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792711@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? thread-index: AcT94jBg0ulzRAp+TBq3bSm3A36mFwALGbkA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote.... > ....then get one of those cardboard cutting thingies gridded off in > square inches and start plotting points. HA! I wish! Try finding *anything* still gridded off in inches instead of centimetres in the UK and you'll have an exercise in futility! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 06:01:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JB1CLO025945 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JB0P2L007384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JB0J4O067145; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JB0FtC067007 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BF1DE5EE080 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:59:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi the list, I asked 18th century womens list, but i dont think many of them make gentlemens wear.. I desided to make my duchesse suit plain with only silver lace. I have other suits made with embroidery and not all of them should be embroidered :-) This would also make it possible for me to have it finished quickly. I ordered real button moulds for the buttons this time, and i wondered wich fabric should i go and buy for the linning? Satin is silk and sky blue. I also got some real nice knee buckles, reproduktion ones, so i would like the whole to be as original as possible. I updated my site with latest pictures of the dark blue suit with the roses in ribbonwork. I have finished the left side. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm In the future i shall call this the "rosenkavalier" :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 06:26:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBQpt6026102 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JBQ52L008796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBPjBK078664; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBPLur078482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D302D830B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 05652-06 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 20512D8309 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:13:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0e7301c4fe19$776ff540$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41e72ca4.6a0a.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:24:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint > After they're fixed (or even before, as anyone who dropped some acrylic > paint on a piece of clothing found out), they will stay there even after > the > fabric all around it has fallen to pieces :-) > > I've heard from some people that they use latex outdoors paint because it > stands up to UV and weather better. I haven't tested it myself. I have. It does. I use latex outdoor house paint for the floorcloth backgrounds, acrylic paint for the designs, and cover the whole shebang with a clear acrylic varnish I found at WalMart. They hold up to being used outdoors, in early spring, in Pennsylvania, so they should survive anything! Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 06:31:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBVC3N026122 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:31:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JBUR2L008968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBUQ1l080715; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JBU9nm080554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515DDD8322 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 07668-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 488A5D8309 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0e8a01c4fe1a$24626710$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:29:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern review? >I have not used any Reconstructing History patterns yet but I will be as I > am waiting with baited breath for the Cranch gown. I have four sets of > material saved for it. I have heard from two who made the Irish dress and > chemise with no problems. I have used Medieval Miscellania which is why I > am > not going to purchase their "German" frau dresses until after I get the RH > gown as I hear the Kass's instruction are readable and might help me > decipher MM's instructions. I have the loose gown pattern, which I have not made up yet--waiting to get just the right shade of silk to line the wool I am using--and will be one of the testers of the Cranach gown. The loose gown pattern is very readable, and I don't foresee any problems with making it up. Dianne > Though I guess I have more experience with patterns now to recognize the > flubs in the pattern and recognize the oopses in the instructions with MM. > My experience with MM was years ago and if I had not had such a bad > experience with them I wouldn't have started adapting modern patterns. I have MM's Italian patterns, for both men and women. I have no problems with the women's, but I tried to make the cioppa out of the men's, and threw the blasted thing against the wall. Next time, I'm just going to put the instructions away and figure it out on my own. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:09:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JD9273027528 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:09:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JD802L013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JD7oEX022417; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JD7mOQ022394 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrFYf-0007Gz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:07:48 -0800 Message-ID: <41EE5BA1.9000306@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:07:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1> <002901c4fdcf$abc02350$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> In-Reply-To: <002901c4fdcf$abc02350$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My only experience was with two folks who had used her Irish gown pattern. Both had terrible fitting problems (and in spite of my continuous diatribe-"make a mock up, make a mock up"-didn't). Did Kass use pattern testers with her patterns as Margo did? If so, maybe she has a discussion group which might help you out if you need help. And if you are new to historic costuming, a generic pattern, no matter how well done may look awful on you without proper fitting...... Sg Oh, and as anyone who has sewn directly from Arnold knows....you may still have to do a lot of fiddling to make anything work-(might want to read the Annotated Arnold if you haven't tried anything yourself)---She may have been a wonderful researcher, but I am not so sure she was a great reconstructioninst. (whoops did I dare say that out loud?) "Do a mockup, Do a mockup" > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:33:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDXgm6028029 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:33:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JDVm2L015067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:31:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDVf49033487; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDVd49033426 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:31:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A13384C800AA; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:31:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Jan 05 13:31:30 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:32:19 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is lovely as always. I like the shadings of the ribbon with the blues of the waistcoat and jacket. A question: did you make the buttonholes before you completed the embroidery of the waistcoat, or is this to be done later? In any event, the spacing are so good with the scale of the design of the embroidery. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > Hi the list, > I asked 18th century womens list, but i dont think many of them make > gentlemens wear.. > I desided to make my duchesse suit plain with only silver lace. I have other > suits made with embroidery and not all of them should be embroidered :-) > This would also make it possible for me to have it finished quickly. > I ordered real button moulds for the buttons this time, and i wondered wich > fabric should i go and buy for the linning? Satin is silk and sky blue. I > also got some real nice knee buckles, reproduktion ones, so i would like the > whole to be as original as possible. > I updated my site with latest pictures of the dark blue suit with the roses > in ribbonwork. I have finished the left side. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm > In the future i shall call this the "rosenkavalier" :-) > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:36:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDahBA028089 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:36:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JDa42L015254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDa2uh035524; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDY013034510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC615D8425 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 25755-09 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7131CD8451 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13dc01c4fe2b$6f042d10$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119002321.0149d9a0@127.0.0.1><002901c4fdcf$abc02350$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> <41EE5BA1.9000306@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:33:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? > My only experience was with two folks who had used her Irish gown pattern. > Both had terrible fitting problems (and in spite of my continuous > diatribe-"make a mock up, make a mock up"-didn't). Did Kass use pattern > testers with her patterns as Margo did? If so, maybe she has a discussion > group which might help you out if you need help. And if you are new to > historic costuming, a generic pattern, no matter how well done may look > awful on you without proper fitting...... She does use testers. As I said, I will be testing the Cranach pattern, and since I have never made a German gown before, if anything is not clear, I will be letting Kass know. Any pattern needs a mockup before fitting, no matter who produces it. And I have never gotten a Margo Anderson bodice to fit me yet. I can get them to fit other people, but not myself! This could very well be, though, that I can't get anyone to help my fit it. My husband doesn't have a clue, and I can't get to my shire's regular sewing night. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:40:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDeFb1028184 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:40:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JDdc2L015398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:39:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDdZmJ037145; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:39:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDdYOg037082 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:39:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sewinggoddess@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.30 ([204.127.135.30]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2005011913392911200804nue>; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:39:29 +0000 Received: from [24.26.111.46] by 204.127.135.30; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:39:27 +0000 From: sewinggoddess@att.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric paint Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:39:27 +0000 Message-Id: <011920051339.23533.41EE630F00079FDC00005BED21603760219C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2V3aW5nZ29kZGVzc0BhdHQubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is that a spray on acrylic finish or a paint on version? Was it from the Hardware dept or the craft dept? I'm now thinking of doing a floorcloth now! Crissy > > > After they're fixed (or even before, as anyone who dropped some acrylic > > paint on a piece of clothing found out), they will stay there even after > > the > > fabric all around it has fallen to pieces :-) > > > > I've heard from some people that they use latex outdoors paint because it > > stands up to UV and weather better. I haven't tested it myself. > > I have. It does. I use latex outdoor house paint for the floorcloth > backgrounds, acrylic paint for the designs, and cover the whole shebang with > a clear acrylic varnish I found at WalMart. They hold up to being used > outdoors, in early spring, in Pennsylvania, so they should survive anything! > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDhE0L028268 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JDgZ2L015619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:42:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDgZ9A038715; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:42:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDfhlo038236 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 639A7262847 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:41:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c4fe2c$999b89a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:41:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > This is lovely as always. I like the shadings of the ribbon with the > blues > of the waistcoat and jacket. A question: did you make the buttonholes > before you completed the embroidery of the waistcoat, or is this to be > done > later? In any event, the spacing are so good with the scale of the design > of the embroidery. > Kathleen Hi Kathleen, I am going to make the buttonholes after the embroidery. My impression is that buttonholes should be made with the linning even if they are false buttonholes. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 08:57:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDvQUV028547 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:57:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JDuq2L016517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDulTv046171; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:56:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JDujFp046130 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:55:07 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:54:59 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have only been on this list for a few days, but have caught several references to MM and someone named Kass and their patterns. Is there a website for these if so would someone send them to me? I am a member of SCA and my time period is early 1300's. My favorite style is the cotehardie and/orhouppeland. I have found several site that tell me how to do these, a couple that show me, but since I am a very new begginer sewer I really need a pattern to start from. Any help would be appreciated. Lady Theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 09:06:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JE67Ld028748 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JE5Y2L017256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JE5UuB050684; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JE5QY9050542 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:05 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7E22A4F@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] patterns Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:04:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kass McGann's page: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com If you are, as you say, a very beginner sewer, I would recommend to start on Kass's beginner's pattern. Only rectangles and triangles, and _very_ easy to sew. It won't be a cotehardie, but can be used as a smock, or as a lower-class woman's dress in the early 14th century. Welcome to the list! /Lena (also one of the medievalists) -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Threadgill [mailto:tthreadgill@connally.org] Sent: 19 January 2005 13:55 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] patterns I have only been on this list for a few days, but have caught several references to MM and someone named Kass and their patterns. Is there a website for these if so would someone send them to me? I am a member of SCA and my time period is early 1300's. My favorite style is the cotehardie and/orhouppeland. I have found several site that tell me how to do these, a couple that show me, but since I am a very new begginer sewer I really need a pattern to start from. Any help would be appreciated. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 09:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEJ9Nb028995 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:19:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JEIW2L018566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:18:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEINpG057900; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web13426.mail.yahoo.com (web13426.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JEIKtF057871 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76245 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2005 14:18:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aq9ye/4+ZLu9fvRjPFCC2NGubo5TLNnbrwN8mumoG6N9ncIDUj9PGHHldTwRDgCYgk44gvZM/3UqHelbDW7LqXbNrZ10LuifIA3j+uiho83aQvIXwngiB3V7aWFRjBlMI3AJQei8qVqUK5LF0pg48/YMjdRlVOXtsGKpOsHvpf4= ; Message-ID: <20050119141819.76243.qmail@web13426.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.49.7.219] by web13426.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:18:19 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501190444.j0J4hvpq093749@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Suzi Clarke > Their patterns all seem based on Janet Arnold anyway, so why not > use the > original? (snip) As someone else has already said, scaling and/or draping our own pattern is an enormous pain -- and even for those of us who KNOW how to do it, sometimes it's just not worth our time if someone else has done the work for us. Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a 3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. Some people have a great musical gift; many people have a little musical ability, and can develop that further with training. And some people will always be tone-deaf. There will always be a some people who will never be able to drape or scale garments. You probably won't find them on this list, however :) > I didn't know how to scale up patterns when I started - my husband > used to > do it for me. Now I never use commercial patterns for period stuff. > If you > are lucky enough to be able to drape, that is even better, but I > understand > that some people don't want to. Or don't have the time. I agree, learning to drape is a good thing, but it's just one tool in the repertoire of a good costumer. > I just resent people taking > patterns from > other people's research and making commercial patterns from them > without > permission. Maybe Reconstructing History don't do that, but I have > never > seen the 1598 corset anywhere except in Arnold. > > Suzi Someone has already stated that Arnold didn't own the original pattern idea. Kass's patterns, from what I've seen of them, are well-documented using multiple sources. Kudos to her for taking the information and making it available to those who don't have the time or talent to do it themselves. She's done a lot of work, drafting and scaling these patterns for multiple sizes. That's not anything to sneeze at. I'm working on a couple of ideas for period knitting patterns. These items were commonly worn, and nobody could copyright the basic concepts -- however, I can interpret and document them for modern knitters, and I can copyright my particular descriptions of how to get the desired results. If someone were to use the same basic information and come up with their own directions, well, they're free to do that! -- Mara ===== --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 09:22:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEMqEm029057 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:22:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JEM22L018804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEM2fN059779; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JEJC77058176 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 14:18:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119141437.0149e180@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:16:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket In-Reply-To: <002701c4fe2c$999b89a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:41 19/01/2005 +0100, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > >>This is lovely as always. I like the shadings of the ribbon with the blues >>of the waistcoat and jacket. A question: did you make the buttonholes >>before you completed the embroidery of the waistcoat, or is this to be done >>later? In any event, the spacing are so good with the scale of the design >>of the embroidery. >>Kathleen > >Hi Kathleen, >I am going to make the buttonholes after the embroidery. >My impression is that buttonholes should be made with the linning even if >they are false buttonholes. My original 1780's waistcoat front, embroidered using the tambour method, has the buttonholes already embroidered in. The button covers are also pre-embroidered, and all the pieces are embroidered ready to make up. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 09:40:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEe6hv029389 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JEdL2L020132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEdIV2068891; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:39:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEdFRW068606 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0JEch223287.; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:38:43 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:38:43 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:38:29 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> corbiegirl@yahoo.com 19/01/2005 14:18:19 >>> wrote: >As someone else has already said, scaling and/or draping our own >pattern is an enormous pain -- and even for those of us who KNOW how >to do it, sometimes it's just not worth our time if someone else has >done the work for us. >Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the >ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a >3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that >some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. [snip] >There will always be a some people who will never be able to drape >or scale garments. You probably won'tfind them on this list, however :) Oh, yes - I'm one! I had to buy one of Kass's patterns in order to make myself a Hollar-style cap. It only consists of, in effect, a rectangle and a circle, but I was always too dim to work out how to make the conceptual leap between 2 and 3 dimensions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 09:45:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEjimb029492 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:45:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JEj22L020606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JEixur071908; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JEiSNt071585 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 14:44:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050119143748.0149e2b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:42:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? In-Reply-To: <20050119141819.76243.qmail@web13426.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200501190444.j0J4hvpq093749@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >As someone else has already said, scaling and/or draping our own >pattern is an enormous pain -- and even for those of us who KNOW how >to do it, sometimes it's just not worth our time if someone else has >done the work for us. > >Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the >ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a >3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that >some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. Some >people have a great musical gift; many people have a little musical >ability, and can develop that further with training. And some people >will always be tone-deaf. There will always be a some people who >will never be able to drape or scale garments. You probably won't >find them on this list, however :) > but I > > understand > > that some people don't want to. > >Or don't have the time. I agree, learning to drape is a good thing, >but it's just one tool in the repertoire of a good costumer. I am sorry to disagree, yet again, with a fellow list member, but from purely a personal view I always find it is quicker to drape a garment than to use a paper pattern. As a tutor, I have found that some people do not have the spatial ability to drape a pattern, some cannot comprehend a grid system, and some cannot use paper patterns - it takes all sorts! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 10:30:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFUObT030535 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:30:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JFTY2L001392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFTPEX000201; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JFTLsL099892 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA869EZAKUFLW2 for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:28:23 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7r6psunt0jVssqRkB0V8K0yH20IiJTDRzQ== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHQGGLR2; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:28:18 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:28:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) Message-ID: <20050119.092809.-456883.7.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,17-18 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3422514206 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > ....then get one of those cardboard cutting thingies gridded off > in > > square inches and start plotting points. > > HA! > > I wish! Try finding *anything* still gridded off in inches instead > of > centimetres in the UK and you'll have an exercise in futility! > > Teddy Teddy, do you have any shops around your area that carry role playing games? I've seen blank "battle maps" for RPGs gridded in one inch squares -- it's the standard grid for Dungeons and Dragons. The vinyl maps would be way too expensive to use as pattern layout grids, but at least one company makes the blank maps in coated paper. You'd probably have to tape several sheets together, though. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 10:35:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFZk6t030643 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JFWv2L002382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:32:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFWu9N002593; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.218]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFW04Q001933 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip01.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0JFVs1W017169 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:31:54 -0500 Received: from c68.185.168.55.mad.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (68.185.168.55) by mxip01.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2005 10:31:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3khe4g$fheigm@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,138,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="521619990:sNHT56795850" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] period knitting patterns, was Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:31:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050119141819.76243.qmail@web13426.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcT+Mf1QZpSuojpeSXKqRruN0rnuFQACdCgg X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm working on a couple of ideas for period knitting patterns. These items were commonly worn, and nobody could copyright the basic concepts -- however, I can interpret and document them for modern knitters, and I can copyright my particular descriptions of how to get the desired results. If someone were to use the same basic information and come up with their own directions, well, they're free to do that! -- Mara ===== --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire ooooooooooooh - you'll let us all know when those knitting patterns come out, now, won't you? ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 10:42:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFgESo030792 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:42:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JFfZ2L004825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFfVgc008795; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JFfR6P008672 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 83CD71387C6; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:41:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust201.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.201]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 90C231387C6 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:41:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0d9001c4fe3d$6b5836e0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7E22A4F@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:41:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO MM is different from Kass McGann; it stands for Mediaeval Miscellanea, which is the group that put out the 'Period Patterns' series of patterns: http://www.mediaevalmisc.com/patterns.htm -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 12:37:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHbDnB000614 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JHaF2L021494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHZeri003638; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JHZAZe003192 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA87GT8ALFRW3A for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:34:54 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgitQeqsD7uU5vcTpVU0BSr8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHQPMRLZ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:33:27 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:23:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Message-ID: <20050119.093302.720.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-6,8-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 18:9:851586885 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 c000eda900f5454db435a93539392d8954e15439b50939b5b091b5b0912dd9690c251500dd00b1edb440f5003570c4447d44b99d64b99d65419d65 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh WOW!!! It's stunning! I need to ask a really silly question--what is the white stuff you embroidered on in pictures 4 and 5? Arlys On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:07 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi the list, > I asked 18th century womens list, but i dont think many of them make > > gentlemens wear.. > I desided to make my duchesse suit plain with only silver lace. I > have other > suits made with embroidery and not all of them should be embroidered > :-) > This would also make it possible for me to have it finished quickly. > I ordered real button moulds for the buttons this time, and i > wondered wich > fabric should i go and buy for the linning? Satin is silk and sky > blue. I > also got some real nice knee buckles, reproduktion ones, so i would > like the > whole to be as original as possible. > I updated my site with latest pictures of the dark blue suit with > the roses > in ribbonwork. I have finished the left side. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm > In the future i shall call this the "rosenkavalier" :-) > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 12:43:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHhu0l000734 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:43:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JHgc2L022250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:42:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHgWPK009735; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JHZAOd003215 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:35:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA87GUAAVVZ4TS for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:34:56 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgitQeqsD7uU5ubTjDLBclV4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHQPMRLU; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:33:27 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:13:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? Message-ID: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,12-15,18-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2913985017 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the > >ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a > >3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that > >some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. > [snip] Have we met? ;) I'm a lifelong musician who takes tons of costuming classes and STILL can't figure out how flat fabric becomes curved fabric to fit on cylindrical bodies. Then again, math and music aren't processed in the same hemisphere of the brain. I wonder if that's got anything to do with it. I can do embroidery. But it is very politely flat. :) And I very much enjoy this list. I've learned tons of things from being on it, and had the immense pleasure of seeing many of the wonderful things the folks here create. :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 12:45:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHjBQe000758 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JHiV2L022520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHiIi8011339; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHhCjm010082 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 9CC8E179FD6; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E6270179FC7 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0df601c4fe4e$67966430$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920051339.23533.41EE630F00079FDC00005BED21603760219C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:43:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need some ideas here. I'm working on a c1895 equipoise/Ferris Good Sense style corset, but foolishly agreed to make it out of cotton velvet. It's going to be gorgeous, but... the stupid fabric is SO BULKY that it causes all sorts of problems! I've resolved all of them, except one: the buttonholes. This style of corset isn't meant for waist reduction; rather, it gives bust support and a firm foundation, so the front opening is generally closed with buttons rather than a busk clasp. However, due to the bulk of the velvet, the strip for the buttonholes is a bit less than 1/4" thick, even after I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how to reduce the bulk as much as possible. I've done several test runs, and here are the things that absolutely did not work: handsewn buttonholes of various sorts, machine sewn buttonholes also of various sorts, looped buttonholes (I'd have to remake almost the whole stupid thing), and putting in a busk anyway (ditto). Apart from the bulk, the main problem is fraying of the cotton velvet, and the secondary problem is that I just can't see my stitches in the very thick pile. The closest I've come to a good result in my tests so far is a buttonhole bound in interfaced bias tape, but that adds even more bulk and I'm a bit worried that the customer won't be able to get the thing buttoned, with all this bulk! It takes forever because of the aforementioned problems, but it looks decent and matches the overall effect of the corset (which is pretty darn fussy, but has the same bias tape binding elsewhere). However, I'd love it if anyone can suggest another solution, because this one isn't perfect and I'm a perfectionist! =} Also, I'm afraid if I spend too much more time with it, I'll put it through the document shredder. -E House (Moral of the story: cotton velvet? NOT suited for fussy pleated fanciness. ...If I'd charged per hour on this, it'd cost ~$3500. AND IT'S STILL NOT DONE.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 12:57:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHvdvL000912 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JHuw2L024168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHurE1022629; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:56:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vienna (pool-70-19-239-201.bos.east.verizon.net [70.19.239.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHsv1D020681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cedar@interlog.com) Received: from cedar by vienna with local (Exim 4.43) id 1CrK2b-0003Fn-Fs for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:49 -0500 From: Christine Robb To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Message-ID: <20050119175449.GD1894@vienna> Mail-Followup-To: Christine Robb , Historical Costume References: <011920051339.23533.41EE630F00079FDC00005BED21603760219C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> <0df601c4fe4e$67966430$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0df601c4fe4e$67966430$0400a8c0@compaqub> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:43:34AM -0600, E House wrote: > rather than a busk clasp. However, due to the bulk of the velvet, the strip > for the buttonholes is a bit less than 1/4" thick, even after I spent a > great deal of time trying to figure out how to reduce the bulk as much as > possible. Is there any way you can shave the pile off in hidden areas, or, worst case, immediately around the buttonhole? Christine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 12:58:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHwsqx000918 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JHvx2L024331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHvuIg023576; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JHvppw023500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from cpanel by host2.vervehosting.com with local (Exim 4.44) id 1CrK2X-0005Nu-Uh for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from 146.145.5.73 ([146.145.5.73]) by reconstructinghistory.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:45 -0500 From: historian@reconstructinghistory.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? References: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 146.145.5.73 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Cynthia J Ley : > > >Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the > > >ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a > > >3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that > > >some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. > > [snip] And that's why I decided to start a company that produces patterns. I have taught many classes on draping and drafting your own patterns. But still people came from me and offered to pay me if I would draft a pattern for them. Some people can't do it. Some people don't want to do it. Some people don't have the time to do it. And some people do it and buy my patterns anyway to see if their theories agree with mine. It's all good. There's room in costuming for everyone! =) > I'm a lifelong musician who takes tons of costuming classes and STILL > can't figure out how flat fabric becomes curved fabric to fit on > cylindrical bodies. Then again, math and music aren't processed in the > same hemisphere of the brain. I wonder if that's got anything to do with > it. Being able to look at a three dimensional piece and see what you have to do in two dimensions to make that piece is definitely something you're born with, I think. You have it or you don't. You can learn to "fake" it, but it's very difficult. > I can do embroidery. But it is very politely flat. :) And I, Arlys, am, as my dear friend says, "Embroiderily impaired". Kass McGann Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIDVbu001016 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JICl2L026180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JICgdK036900; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JI6nG9031480 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAK00I8NSZ8NS@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.79] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.144.117]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:06:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:06:44 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am one of those people who can't drape anything! I can fix almost anything mechanical, write a computer program in COBOL, and make my own spinning wheel - but I am DENSE when it comes to transfering 2D clothing patterns to 3D!! Also my problem is that 99% of published patterns don't fit my extra long ladie's sz 11 body. I am offering $$ for a person to make me a "sloper"?? - a fabric version of my body - so I can use it as a base for my garb. Lady Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: historian@reconstructinghistory.com > But still people came from me and offered to pay me if I would draft a pattern for them. > Some people can't do it. Some people don't want to do it. Some people don't have the time to do it. And some people do it and buy my patterns anyway to see if their theories agree with mine. > Kass McGann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:28:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JISJvH001124 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIRY2L027848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIQQbT048517; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIPAfD047238 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.60.4d4ce020 (3996) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <60.4d4ce020.2f1ffff0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:24:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 12:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: looped buttonholes (I'd have to remake almost the whole stupid thing), Could you sew on the loop "tape" made for bridal wear? It comes in white, off white, and black, and could, I think, be dyed. You could sew the tape part on the underside with just the loops hanging off. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:29:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JITuWY001135 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:29:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JITC2L028055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JITBLg050797; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIRUNo049203 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:27:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12e.559b3d2f (3996) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.559b3d2f.2f200080@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:27:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dimensional Abilities To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-DCC-CollegeOfNewCaledonia-Metrics: net.indra.com 1189; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 12:58:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, historian@reconstructinghistory.com writes: I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the > > >ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a > > >3-dimensional garment. And I once knew an absolutely brilliant theatre costume designer who could drape anything in 3-D, but could not figure out how to do it as a flat pattern, in 2-D. Interesting because, as you observe, I know more people who have the opposite problem. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:34:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIYS62001152 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIXk2L028747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIWU94053823; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:32:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIWEGo053432 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2323447FEFA for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:32:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c4fe55$31388740$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920051339.23533.41EE630F00079FDC00005BED21603760219C9C0A0B0B0109090207990A9C@att.net> <0df601c4fe4e$67966430$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:32:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I would forget about buttonholes if i were you and then make button loops in stead. Is this the right word? I am sure you know what i mean with this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes >I need some ideas here. I'm working on a c1895 equipoise/Ferris Good Sense >style corset, but foolishly agreed to make it out of cotton velvet. It's >going to be gorgeous, but... the stupid fabric is SO BULKY that it causes >all sorts of problems! > > I've resolved all of them, except one: the buttonholes. This style of > corset isn't meant for waist reduction; rather, it gives bust support and > a firm foundation, so the front opening is generally closed with buttons > rather than a busk clasp. However, due to the bulk of the velvet, the > strip for the buttonholes is a bit less than 1/4" thick, even after I > spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how to reduce the bulk as > much as possible. > > I've done several test runs, and here are the things that absolutely did > not work: handsewn buttonholes of various sorts, machine sewn buttonholes > also of various sorts, looped buttonholes (I'd have to remake almost the > whole stupid thing), and putting in a busk anyway (ditto). Apart from the > bulk, the main problem is fraying of the cotton velvet, and the secondary > problem is that I just can't see my stitches in the very thick pile. > > The closest I've come to a good result in my tests so far is a buttonhole > bound in interfaced bias tape, but that adds even more bulk and I'm a bit > worried that the customer won't be able to get the thing buttoned, with > all this bulk! It takes forever because of the aforementioned problems, > but it looks decent and matches the overall effect of the corset (which is > pretty darn fussy, but has the same bias tape binding elsewhere). > However, I'd love it if anyone can suggest another solution, because this > one isn't perfect and I'm a perfectionist! =} Also, I'm afraid if I spend > too much more time with it, I'll put it through the document shredder. > > -E House > (Moral of the story: cotton velvet? NOT suited for fussy pleated > fanciness. ...If I'd charged per hour on this, it'd cost ~$3500. AND IT'S > STILL NOT DONE.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIZp1R001162 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIYu2L028953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIYk2X055756; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIWB9v053539 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 16D42A0AB8; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:32:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 070FAA0AD9 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:32:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e1501c4fe55$4908df50$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm a mix between drafting and draping--I'm the sort who's very exacting with stuff like having the fabric's grain perfectly square, measurements being accurate to the 1/64", and so on. So, while I consider draping to be an essential part of pattern-making, I always have to have things measured first, and I almost always begin with something largely fitted by the numbers before I 'drape'. It takes more time, but at least I save a TON on yardage! -E, master of the 3.5 yd layout floor length cote with acres of hem. =} _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:39:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JId7B9001186 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:39:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIcJ2L029372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIcBrD058598; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIau9o057421 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.4]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:36:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:36:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:36:54 -0600 Message-Id: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Sorry for the off-topic post, but I have a question: I found a great ankle-length fake fur coat at a thrift store. After getting ringworm from god knows where I now wash or dry clean all clothing that comes into my house, but I'm at a complete loss what to do about this coat! The cleaning instructions say "clean by fur method. Do not brush, press or steam" which is not helpful to me at all. Help? It's a black fur with a pile about an inch and a half deep and a woven polyester-ish backing. The lining is standard coat polyester lining fabric. Thanks! --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:40:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIeeJP001191 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIe32L029591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIe0rl060117; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIdkKE059934 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 37805262829 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c4fe56$4594f8d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras> <5.1.0.14.2.20050119141437.0149e180@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > My original 1780's waistcoat front, embroidered using the tambour method, > has the buttonholes already embroidered in. The button covers are also > pre-embroidered, and all the pieces are embroidered ready to make up. > > Suzi Hi Suzi, Does this mean that the buttonholes are only embroidered on the front fabric? Dont they go trough to the linning? A waistcoat should be buttoned, and i dont understand how you just could embroider the buttonholes in the outer layer fabric, and not the linning? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:48:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIm0kp001294 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:48:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIl02L000470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIktK2066069; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pqueueb.post.tele.dk (pqueueb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIkpIv065888 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:46:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by pqueueb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE443DE763 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:28:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.232]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EB90262879 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:27:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002201c4fe54$9c9c1840$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050119.093302.720.4.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:28:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > Oh WOW!!! It's stunning! > > I need to ask a really silly question--what is the white stuff you > embroidered on in pictures 4 and 5? > > Arlys Hi Arlys, Thanks, Well the white stuff is just the paper pattern i have drawed with the silk ribbon embroidery pattern on. It shows the waistcoat. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:51:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIpatJ001336 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIod2L000852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIoPqL068882; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JInr5f068244 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:50:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 57D6E2097A; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 82EF620949 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e2401c4fe57$b996e3a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <60.4d4ce020.2f1ffff0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:50:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > Could you sew on the loop "tape" made for bridal wear? It comes in > white, > off white, and black, and could, I think, be dyed. You could sew the > tape > part on the underside with just the loops hanging off. Unfortunately, I don't think I could; the buttons really need to be visible from the front, and I just can't figure out any way to use loops without throwing everything else off completely. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Robb" > Is there any way you can shave the pile off in hidden areas, or, worst > case, immediately around the buttonhole? I might be able to do a bit, but not much, and perhaps not enough to help... the cotton velvet really does fray like crazy, and I'm afraid to do anything that will weaken it further. -E House the difficult _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 13:58:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIwNU9001414 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JIvj2L001579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:57:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIve4V074911; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JIvaKa074779 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.f6.4838ef7a (3890) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:57:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 1:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kathysmassmail@verizon.net writes: The cleaning instructions say "clean by fur method. Do not brush, press or steam" which is not helpful to me at all. That means you have to take it to a cleaner who will send it out to a special fur cleaner. Costs a small fortune, but you don't have to do it very often. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:05:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJ5U24001508 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJ4e2L002397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:04:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJ4bCX080776; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:04:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJ0Dna077035 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.c.3cc38cbf (3890) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:00:03 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 1:51:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: Unfortunately, I don't think I could; the buttons really need to be visible from the front, and I just can't figure out any way to use loops without throwing everything else off completely. Buttons are visible from the front--loops just barely overlap the other edge, where you sew the buttons. Yes, this would add a little to the circumference, could you take it out on a seam? If that won't work, good luck!!!!!!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJC0pk001569 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJAw2L003018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJAsfU085576; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJAn0m085519 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:10:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id B6E6A1BCA07; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A19081BCA07 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e3b01c4fe5a$aee743c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:11:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just bought some fake fur to play with, and am about to machine wash it according the the instructions in Fabric Savvy (which says machine wash cold, dryer with no heat or shake it and air dry). Wish me luck, and I'll tell you how it turns out. =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:13:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJDct3001589 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJCk2L003264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:12:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJCjrC087106; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJBMMt085919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0JJ5ATA000578 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:10 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:05:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EEB0D7.4050308@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:11:19 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur References: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welllllll, it depends on how much you want to spend on this thing. Some fake furs do fine in the wash, with cool water. But yours has a warning on it. This might mean that it really needs the official fur method, or it might be that they were covering all the bases with needless cautions. I'm agressively thrifty, so if it were mine, I'd probably wash it and hope for the best, but if you really love it, spend the money to do it right. I know this list has discussed ways of cleaning fur yourself before; you could check the archives. Ringworm (for you non-native anglophones, it's not a worm, it's a bacterial skin infection) might come from any source, if the conditions are right, like a cold. The last time I got it, there hadn't been any obvious vector. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Would you like to spend a week at a cottage on the Maine coast? Family business: $642 for a week, beds for 5 people. More details and photos at http://www.virtue.to/cottages.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:16:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJGREt001620 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:16:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJFs2L003573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJFrlG089587; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJFpIg089519 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 02BB11ECD86; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:15:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AF8D1ECD3E for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:15:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e3f01c4fe5b$611f0b40$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:16:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The extra couldn't be taken out anywhere else without remaking it completely, because of the bust treatment. Sigh. I dont think I could even take off the buttonhole strip without remaking it, because of what I had to do to reduce bulk elsewhere! (Can you guess I'm incredibly frustrated with this corset?) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJM93o001658 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:22:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJLa2L004048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:21:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJLW18093900; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:21:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJLRGT093770 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.127.53e40c96 (3699) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <127.53e40c96.2f200d2c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:21:16 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 12:45:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: > However, due to the bulk of the velvet, the strip for the > buttonholes is a bit less than 1/4" thick, even after I spent a great deal > of time trying to figure out how to reduce the bulk as much as possible. > Are you sure? Y'know the outside layer of the buttonhole side need be the only thing in velvet. It can be faced with thin cotton. And the underlap, with the buttons on it, can be cotton too. Make the cotton the same color...so it's not noticed. And the velvet need only overlap velvet maybe a quarter of an inch. The bulk of the velvet is mostly the nap. There's no reason a regular "embroidered" button hole wouldn't work...especially if there's only one layer of velvet [and a layer of cotton facing]. Perhaps a buttonhole stitch could be wider than usual. Albert "made many a Renn. costume out of curtain velvet" Cat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:23:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJN0Ck001670 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:23:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJMN2L004119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJMMTl094603; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:22:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJMJGQ094481 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A36415E50054; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:22:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Jan 05 19:22:10 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c4fe5c$4b91a8e0$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras> <002701c4fe2c$999b89a0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:23:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That makes sense to me. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > > > This is lovely as always. I like the shadings of the ribbon with the > > blues > > of the waistcoat and jacket. A question: did you make the buttonholes > > before you completed the embroidery of the waistcoat, or is this to be > > done > > later? In any event, the spacing are so good with the scale of the design > > of the embroidery. > > Kathleen > > Hi Kathleen, > I am going to make the buttonholes after the embroidery. > My impression is that buttonholes should be made with the linning even if > they are false buttonholes. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJOjfk001691 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:24:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJNA2L004200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJN9T6095168; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJN6l7095083 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.103.592152b0 (3699) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:22:57 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <103.592152b0.2f200d90@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:22:56 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 1:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > would forget about buttonholes if i were you and then make button loops in > stead This is a good idea...then the velvet can just butt up together and not overlap at all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:26:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJQjju001720 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:39 19/01/2005 +0100, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:16 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > >> >>My original 1780's waistcoat front, embroidered using the tambour method, >>has the buttonholes already embroidered in. The button covers are also >>pre-embroidered, and all the pieces are embroidered ready to make up. >> >>Suzi > > >Hi Suzi, >Does this mean that the buttonholes are only embroidered on the front fabric? >Dont they go trough to the linning? >A waistcoat should be buttoned, and i dont understand how you just could >embroider the buttonholes in the outer layer fabric, and not the linning? I only have the front fabric for this waistcoat. I will look at the earlier one I have, and see what it does - I think there are a lot of layers, and the buttonholes go through all the layers. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJdWhD001854 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:39:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJcF2L005515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJc9W6006652; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJc6Mh006605 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.4]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050119193805.SAIZ1106.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:38:05 -0600 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:38:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:38:05 -0600 Message-Id: <20050119193805.SAIZ1106.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: cleaning fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I just bought some fake fur to play with, and am about to machine wash it Oooh, yes, I'd love to hear how it turns out! Sadly, the budget is a bit stretched right now, so I will probably end up trying to wash it unless there is something else I can do. I have a front loading washing machine...so it may survive. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Would freezing it for a period of time kill stuff? The ringworm I think I got by petting a strange dog, but since it took a MONTH to get rid of it and I had to put bandages in really odd places, I am not keen to repeat the experience! --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:45:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJjcUW001900 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJin2L006090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:44:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJiaua011413; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJg3SH009428 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A80438140082; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:41:56 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 19 Jan 05 19:41:55 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c4fe5f$0d55ede0$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c4fe16$09da3ed0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><004b01c4fe2b$4d9cff80$685183d1@rmitchellras><5.1.0.14.2.20050119141437.0149e180@127.0.0.1> <000701c4fe56$4594f8d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:42:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I understand the problem, after the lining is in place, the buttonholes would be basted on the lining side and then slit; then the edges of the slit is folded in and tacked to the bound buttonhole of the top fabric. At least, this is how I finish this kind of buttonhole. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric for linning of gentlemans jacket > > > > > > My original 1780's waistcoat front, embroidered using the tambour method, > > has the buttonholes already embroidered in. The button covers are also > > pre-embroidered, and all the pieces are embroidered ready to make up. > > > > Suzi > > > Hi Suzi, > Does this mean that the buttonholes are only embroidered on the front > fabric? > Dont they go trough to the linning? > A waistcoat should be buttoned, and i dont understand how you just could > embroider the buttonholes in the outer layer fabric, and not the linning? > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJlmMh001932 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJlB2L006335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJl6OS013533; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJl0Hb013452 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:45:25 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:45:13 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: cleaning fake fur Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes freezing it for about 24 hours should kill anything that is live, but not sure if it will get the spores and ringworm is a fungus that can be spread by spores.I suggest first get the fur cold then put in freezer to reduce the amout of condensation that may form on the fur. But still not sure if it will hurt the polyester back, think of all those hunters that have heads mounted the taxidermist tends to put the heads in the freezer until he has time to do them. I wish you luck. theresa >>> kathysmassmail@verizon.net 1/19/2005 1:38:05 PM >>> > I just bought some fake fur to play with, and am about to machine wash it Oooh, yes, I'd love to hear how it turns out! Sadly, the budget is a bit stretched right now, so I will probably end up trying to wash it unless there is something else I can do. I have a front loading washing machine...so it may survive. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Would freezing it for a period of time kill stuff? The ringworm I think I got by petting a strange dog, but since it took a MONTH to get rid of it and I had to put bandages in really odd places, I am not keen to repeat the experience! --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJmvoI001951 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJgp2L005903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJgf74009908; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJfPbD009141 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DA4B3A06AE; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:41:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BB181A0CBE for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e5001c4fe5e$f4b91e10$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <127.53e40c96.2f200d2c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:42:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The outer layer is the only one of cotton velvet--it's interlined elsewhere in the corset with a thin linen, and fully lined there and elsewhere with a slightly thicker but still thin linen twill. The bulk problem at the buttonhole strip is from the seam allowances (already clipped as far as possible) of the bust panel. See, there's a sort of gathered cup for each side of the bust, with a pleated strip of velvet applied on top of that, which means that A) the bust treatment is too bulky for its seam allowances to go anywhere but under the buttonhole strip, and B) there are four layers of cotton velvet (one of them interfaced) under part (but not all) of the buttonhole strip for several inches, and three under the rest because I had to turn the whole seam thataway. BULK! And I honestly cannot get rid of any more of the seam allowance bulk without weakening the whole thing far too much. I've tried all sorts of hand-worked buttonholes in my test runs, but just could not get anything that really worked well--part of the broblem is the frayability of the cotton velvet, which I could probably deal with using something like gum arabic or fraycheck, but I couldn't manage anything that could stand up to the stress those buttonholes would be under: if I stitch close enough for strength, the cotton velvet disintegrates! -E House (maybe I'll wind up talking myself into continuing with the whole bound buttonhole idea, sigh.) ----- Original Message ----- From: > Are you sure? Y'know the outside layer of the buttonhole side need be the > only thing in velvet. It can be faced with thin cotton. And the underlap, > with > the buttons on it, can be cotton too. Make the cotton the same color...so > it's > not noticed. And the velvet need only overlap velvet maybe a quarter of an > inch. > > The bulk of the velvet is mostly the nap. There's no reason a regular > "embroidered" button hole wouldn't work...especially if there's only one > layer of > velvet [and a layer of cotton facing]. Perhaps a buttonhole stitch could > be wider > than usual. > > Albert "made many a Renn. costume out of curtain velvet" Cat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:51:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJpbw6002003 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJok2L006647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJodsm016289; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJoYOJ016206 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:49:00 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:48:24 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sorry fungal not bacterial for ringworm. tinactin, not antibiotics to fix theresa >>> cvirtue+dated+1121713510.c79790@thibault.org 1/19/2005 1:11:19 PM >>> Welllllll, it depends on how much you want to spend on this thing. Some fake furs do fine in the wash, with cool water. But yours has a warning on it. This might mean that it really needs the official fur method, or it might be that they were covering all the bases with needless cautions. I'm agressively thrifty, so if it were mine, I'd probably wash it and hope for the best, but if you really love it, spend the money to do it right. I know this list has discussed ways of cleaning fur yourself before; you could check the archives. Ringworm (for you non-native anglophones, it's not a worm, it's a bacterial skin infection) might come from any source, if the conditions are right, like a cold. The last time I got it, there hadn't been any obvious vector. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Would you like to spend a week at a cottage on the Maine coast? Family business: $642 for a week, beds for 5 people. More details and photos at http://www.virtue.to/cottages.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 14:57:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJvfPa002046 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JJuc2L007182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJuWoK020976; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JJuUWS020861 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011919562401500cqkvce>; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:56:24 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.228] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:56:22 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:56:22 +0000 Message-Id: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I agree with Bjarne. The buttonloops I'm referring to are the ones you make by running a strong cord (twice through) parallel to the seam edge; don't use a knot, because you can catch the loose ends in the next step. Buttonhole stitch along the loop (done like a satin stitched blanket stitch) around the cords with a buttonhole- weight matching thread; when finished with 'wrapping' the cords with the stitches, anchor the last stitch invisibly. I think that this would give you a nice closure with no further bulk. I hope this helps! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > I would forget about buttonholes if i were you and then make button loops in > stead. Is this the right word? I am sure you know what i mean with this. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E House" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:43 PM > Subject: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes > > > >I need some ideas here. I'm working on a c1895 equipoise/Ferris Good Sense > >style corset, but foolishly agreed to make it out of cotton velvet. It's > >going to be gorgeous, but... the stupid fabric is SO BULKY that it causes > >all sorts of problems! > > > > I've resolved all of them, except one: the buttonholes. This style of > > corset isn't meant for waist reduction; rather, it gives bust support and > > a firm foundation, so the front opening is generally closed with buttons > > rather than a busk clasp. However, due to the bulk of the velvet, the > > strip for the buttonholes is a bit less than 1/4" thick, even after I > > spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how to reduce the bulk as > > much as possible. > > > > I've done several test runs, and here are the things that absolutely did > > not work: handsewn buttonholes of various sorts, machine sewn buttonholes > > also of various sorts, looped buttonholes (I'd have to remake almost the > > whole stupid thing), and putting in a busk anyway (ditto). Apart from the > > bulk, the main problem is fraying of the cotton velvet, and the secondary > > problem is that I just can't see my stitches in the very thick pile. > > > > The closest I've come to a good result in my tests so far is a buttonhole > > bound in interfaced bias tape, but that adds even more bulk and I'm a bit > > worried that the customer won't be able to get the thing buttoned, with > > all this bulk! It takes forever because of the aforementioned problems, > > but it looks decent and matches the overall effect of the corset (which is > > pretty darn fussy, but has the same bias tape binding elsewhere). > > However, I'd love it if anyone can suggest another solution, because this > > one isn't perfect and I'm a perfectionist! =} Also, I'm afraid if I spend > > too much more time with it, I'll put it through the document shredder. > > > > -E House > > (Moral of the story: cotton velvet? NOT suited for fussy pleated > > fanciness. ...If I'd charged per hour on this, it'd cost ~$3500. AND IT'S > > STILL NOT DONE.) > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 15:35:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKZWAk002314 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JKYc2L011091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKYCXm051384; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKXGhc050643 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id ADC5C1386D4; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:33:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.57]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A93D21386D1 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:33:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg (lightened slightly to show detail--it looks so much nicer in person, sigh) You see, the buttonhole strip acts as a binding for that center front edge of the corset, and while I could eliminate part of it, I couldn't eliminate enough of it for it to look right. (Remember, I'm picky. =} ) Loops, as handy as they'd be, just wouldn't really work well for me; if nothing else, they'd be completely out of line with the look of the corset. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 15:41:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKff2g002360 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JKeo2L011798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKec8w056775; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKeWXa056602 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so39757wra for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:40:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gBo2KKnvQ7VbPWzfm35/9sr4LDbR2NWCNqY9NVR49Khjf01mkX0V0odF92HijMTGQvE1CdBUTtjGgwoDuTLI421zGiIMtV5Ia7nBO+khaJCfBUCAVBKlC6MQirYzE3ycryFaZHn66AwGunxtRW/xCFMF7ug1IE0DIW1LMZhfZmE= Received: by 10.54.22.53 with SMTP id 53mr116032wrv; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:40:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05011912405df1795f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:40:25 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes In-Reply-To: <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have no advice to give you, but that corset is stunning. when you described it,I couldn't picture why anyone would want a velvet corset with all that bulk and extra work, but this is lovely! LynnD On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:33:49 -0600, E House wrote: > I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg (lightened slightly to show > detail--it looks so much nicer in person, sigh) > > You see, the buttonhole strip acts as a binding for that center front edge > of the corset, and while I could eliminate part of it, I couldn't eliminate > enough of it for it to look right. (Remember, I'm picky. =} ) Loops, as > handy as they'd be, just wouldn't really work well for me; if nothing else, > they'd be completely out of line with the look of the corset. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 15:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKxXgN002504 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JKwU2L013637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKwMPJ071280; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:ZWqraX96CqDspYqi032XVHy3LC603nAG@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JKwJ6V071257 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j0JKwJkY018478 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:19 -0500 Received: from dci012034014172.discovery.com ([12.34.14.172]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50678.12.34.14.172.1106168299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It looks very nice! I would leave the buttons on as decoration, and use very sturdy hooks & eyes underneath for the actual closure. In a heavy fabric, the buttonholes tend to rumple, especially when there are that many of them. Plus it will be so much easier to close the corset with hooks than all that buttoning. -Carol > I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg (lightened slightly to show > detail--it looks so much nicer in person, sigh) > > You see, the buttonhole strip acts as a binding for that center front edge > of the corset, and while I could eliminate part of it, I couldn't > eliminate > enough of it for it to look right. (Remember, I'm picky. =} ) Loops, as > handy as they'd be, just wouldn't really work well for me; if nothing > else, > they'd be completely out of line with the look of the corset. > > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 16:25:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLPp3T003040 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JLOw2L016309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLOqmD091932; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from copper.wightman.ca (copper.wightman.ca [216.249.0.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLOkjp091741 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by copper.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D783F811 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by copper.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id F16CA3F80F for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c4fe6d$5aab90a0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200501191758.j0JHwKns023953@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Theresa, We carry both Medieval Miscellanea and Reconstructing History patterns, as well as many more lines, through our online catalogue at www.5rivers.org Everything from 500AD to 1950. And we're add new lines every year. Reviews are welcome on any patterns. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 16:29:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLTP6M003115 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:29:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JLSO2L016666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLSN9j094622; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLSKC8094518 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0A4425D6 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41EECA35.10106@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:59:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur References: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can try cleaning a section of it by hand and seeing how it handles the water, if it loses color or starts to shed badly. A friend of mine who restores vintage plastic dolls says she uses hair conditioner on the doll hair to keep it soft and tangle-free. I don't know if something like that, or a fabric softener will help keep the fake fur from getting matted or frizzy, too, but those are things I would try. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 16:48:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLmoSA003421 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JLlh2L018842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:47:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLldd8009684; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JLlYnq009558 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.184] (p24.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.184]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0JLjuv02989 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:45:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> References: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E6A4796-6A64-11D9-AD56-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:53:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where do you live? On Jan 19, 2005, at 11:06 AM, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > I am one of those people who can't drape anything! I can fix almost > anything mechanical, write a computer program in COBOL, and make my > own spinning wheel - but I am DENSE when it comes to transfering 2D > clothing patterns to 3D!! > > Also my problem is that 99% of published patterns don't fit my extra > long ladie's sz 11 body. > > I am offering $$ for a person to make me a "sloper"?? - a fabric > version of my body - so I can use it as a base for my garb. > > Lady Katheryne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: historian@reconstructinghistory.com >> But still people came from me and offered to pay me if I would draft >> a pattern for them. >> Some people can't do it. Some people don't want to do it. Some >> people don't have the time to do it. And some people do it and buy >> my patterns anyway to see if their theories agree with mine. >> Kass McGann > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:08:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JM8V2E003548 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JM7S2L020729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JM61LB027383; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:06:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JM5nEQ027059 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA87YNGAN5AN8S for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:04:54 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgsENJOwZkEh0EqmCLYd4rZU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHQ65LEN; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:04:15 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:30:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur Message-ID: <20050119.140356.404.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-12,14-39 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 13:6:3219354861 X-MAIL-INFO: 57fdb4b16d51c1fdf46d1554ed9441b4f5543041817df4415515dd11cd11389d14850411c14dc13971d9c014607109048d144d09508180094484bd95249529e0e4cd2095e1a9e110e500d1e4f0e5612021e4a961943815b51585257985259d71259d719451991dd4fdd1a1d16d305d4045d17d0484a5cda595e99195e9e520e9e5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fake fur's nowhere near as fragile as you think. If the fur and backing are in good condition, throw it in the washer on warm, then the dryer, and hang it up right away. Throwing in an anti-static sheet with it seems to help the fur a bit. I have a 20 year old tailored cloak that's kept its shape after many seasons of very hard wear. Your washer isn't going to break it. If the fur flattens a bit, brush it out after it dries. Good luck! Arlys Of all the myths that persist in the garment industry, the biggest one is "Dry Clean Only." On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:36:54 -0600 writes: > Hello, > > Sorry for the off-topic post, but I have a question: > > I found a great ankle-length fake fur coat at a thrift store. After > getting ringworm from god knows where I now wash or dry clean all > clothing that comes into my house, but I'm at a complete loss what > to do about this coat! The cleaning instructions say "clean by fur > method. Do not brush, press or steam" which is not helpful to me at > all. > > Help? It's a black fur with a pile about an inch and a half deep > and a woven polyester-ish backing. The lining is standard coat > polyester lining fabric. > > Thanks! > --Kathy K. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:12:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMCqUh003575 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:12:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMBx2L021389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMBmxL032728; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id j0JM5wdp027151 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA87YNHAN39NLA for (sender ); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgsENJOwZkEh0GFOO+fXn3+o= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHQ65LET; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:04:15 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:32:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Message-ID: <20050119.140356.404.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4272904582 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you thinking of frogs? Arlys On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:32:12 +0100 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > Hi, > I would forget about buttonholes if i were you and then make button > loops in > stead. Is this the right word? I am sure you know what i mean with > this. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMDINZ003585 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMCQ2L021498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMCM4O033486; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMAtA9031809 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EBA36B6A for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:10:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p148.socket.net [64.85.214.150]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87E3EC40E for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:10:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:10:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050119.092809.-456883.7.LLWatts@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Grids - pattern review? (Going way OT here) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Last I had seen the 1" squares grids was 3 yrs ago. The most common map today is the "chicken wire" grid which I come to understand was introduced by the UK gamers. Though this is not intended to discourage anyone from checking with their local game stores. By the way, suggesting a gaming grid for sewing is definitly not way OT. :) De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMKJnB003664 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:20:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMJL2L022174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMJHVO056150; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMJBPt055686 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id E733520A68; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:19:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust175.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.175]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CF73D20A3E for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:19:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e7901c4fe74$ff3bff40$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net><0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <50678.12.34.14.172.1106168299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes (pic) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:19:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: >> http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg Thanks, guys. I did a few more tests with bound buttonholes and tried a few new tricks, such as cutting away a bit of the fabric rather than just slitting it (so the finished buttonhole wouldn't bulge) and I'm a lot happier with it as an option now, but the idea of hooks and eyes is awfully tempting... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:21:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JML1V8003670 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:21:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMKA2L022295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:20:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMK6UZ059738; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMK4jd059616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:20:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239] helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrOB9-0002S3-A6 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:19:55 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0JMilD2024019 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:44:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0JMiltD024018 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:44:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501192244.j0JMiltD024018@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Quoting Cynthia J Ley : > *snippage* > > > > I'm a lifelong musician who takes tons of costuming classes and STILL > > can't figure out how flat fabric becomes curved fabric to fit on > > cylindrical bodies. Then again, math and music aren't processed in the > > same hemisphere of the brain. I wonder if that's got anything to do with > > it. > > Being able to look at a three dimensional piece and see what you have to do in > two dimensions to make that piece is definitely something you're born with, I > think. You have it or you don't. You can learn to "fake" it, but it's very > difficult. Oh, yeah -- the husband does it ... in spades. I cannot. He used to love drafting class where they give 3 sides of a 3-D object, and you have to draw the other sides. :-P Jerusha (susan) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:29:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMTUZr003730 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:29:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMSn2L023195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMSjsG089638; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMSbDV089229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:28:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239] helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrOJR-0004Xh-Mw for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:28:29 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0JMrMD2024112 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:53:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0JMrMEe024111 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:53:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:53:22 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501192253.j0JMrMEe024111@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur In-Reply-To: <41EEB0D7.4050308@thibault.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Ringworm (for you non-native anglophones, it's not a worm, it's a > bacterial skin infection) might come from any source, if the conditions > are right, like a cold. The last time I got it, there hadn't been any > obvious vector. Actually it's fungal like athletes foot. I think the critter is in the same genus as the ones that cause AF. You can treat them with the AF creams. Jerusha (the biologist) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 17:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMYBbK003777 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0JMWZ3f023657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMG4AM045821; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0JMFxhU044502 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EC074143566; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust175.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.175]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E5E0F1433C0 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:15:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0e7501c4fe74$844321b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> <41EECA35.10106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur--trial results Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:16:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welp, the fake fur is mostly done drying, and I'd call the experiment successful. I haven't measured it yet to see if it shrank, but I'd be surprised if it did, because it has a polyester backing. The look and feel of it is exactly the same as before I washed it, as far as I can tell. The only issue is a ton of har lint all over both my washer and dryer! But since the edges weren't bound in any way, I think the hair is mostly from the cut edges--the fur, overall, doesn't look any thinner or sparser. I probably wouldn't wash it too often, just in case, but overall I'm quite happy. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 19:12:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0CSP2005325 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K0B42L005385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0AqiC083231; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:10:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0AoQU083151 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip01.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K0AipM001685 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:44 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip01.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 19:10:45 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,139,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="522442945:sNHT32534494" Message-ID: <006b01c4fe84$7a23a0f0$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net><0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub><50678.12.34.14.172.1106168299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <0e7901c4fe74$ff3bff40$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes (pic) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:10:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think that the hook and eye idea is the best I heard yet. When I looked at the picture, beautiful by the way, that was the first thing that I thought of as well. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes (pic) >>> I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: >>> http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg > > Thanks, guys. I did a few more tests with bound buttonholes and tried a > few new tricks, such as cutting away a bit of the fabric rather than just > slitting it (so the finished buttonhole wouldn't bulge) and I'm a lot > happier with it as an option now, but the idea of hooks and eyes is > awfully tempting... > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 19:14:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0Ejd7005364 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K0E82L005687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0E8xg085504; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0CC7p084116 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.dc.1e380c8f (4539) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:12:01 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] patterns (as was) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/05 1:48:44 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > She > may have been a wonderful researcher, but I am not so sure she was a > great reconstructioninst. (whoops did I dare say that out loud?) > Sorry, but this is the view of someone whose never seen any of Janet Arnold's work as a costumer (not just historian), or spoken to any of the people who knew her (speaking from knowledge gained from lots of conversations with my college costume tutor, who was trained by Arnold). Can't help with whose patterns are best, as don't use patterns. (Thanks god for being one of those who was born with that spacial ability that's been mentioned!!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 19:27:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0RhuP005622 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K0Qv2L006917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0QquU094449; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0QnDS094410 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-63-244.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.244]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K0Qdh3003686 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050119153931.0256c220@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:40:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions In-Reply-To: <200501192244.j0JMiltD024018@sabre.goldsword.com> References: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Being able to look at a three dimensional piece and see what you have > to do in > > two dimensions to make that piece is definitely something you're born > with, I > > think. You have it or you don't. You can learn to "fake" it, but it's > very > > difficult. > >Oh, yeah -- the husband does it ... in spades. I cannot. He used to love >drafting class where they give 3 sides of a 3-D object, and you have to >draw the other sides. :-P I have your husband's 2D -> 3D skill, but drafting flat patterns is something I could never wrap my brain around. I always drape or use somebody else's pattern. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 19:58:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0whqD006098 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K0vu2L009474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:57:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0vooZ015518; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K0tn8Q014342 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:55:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA00440 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:56:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:55:47 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.125.72 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the issue of fabric paint/ing. I think I know what I will be doing now. And I plan on doing some research that was mentioned. Thanks again! Now, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed or not. Was fur ever dyed in the Renaissance period? For example, a white fur to green? Curious because of an an outfit that someone wants done with possible green fake fur (couldn't afford real fur at the time). Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 20:11:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1BpH6006294 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:11:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1B52L010703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1AxmB022759; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1AuwB022685 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.195.36e57d82 (4004) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <195.36e57d82.2f205f19@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:10:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/19/2005 3:35:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: > You see, the buttonhole strip acts as a binding for that center front edge > of the corset, Oooooo...very beautiful work. Y'know....do blind buttonholes, sew the buttons on top of them and put hooks and bars behind them. It will look great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 20:43:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1hecX006791 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:43:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1gl2L013404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:42:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1ggHa044791; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1gdr5044731 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.46.116] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrRLL-0007Bt-3U for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:42:39 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type; b=qIAz6eWmt1DpD8Fyb7pyR00J651/+QRq08+JVyLVLoybqIXWp3zWnudhPu2zbj4A; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200501190113.22268.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> <200501190113.22268.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:16:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4781d07866980e91ecec6c047fd13253e883e9aa7d68550c1e1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.116 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 1:13 AM -0500 1/19/05, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Tuesday 18 January 2005 10:07 pm, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >> NESAT 3 was still available for purchase through David Brown/Oxbow as >> of only a few years ago (when I purchased my copy). >> >> > >I have seen NESAT 3 and 4 on and off at David Brown Books--last time I checked >they only had NESAT 5 and 6, which I already have. I asked them to track it down for me -- it took a little while, but they got me one eventually. David Brown is extremely good about dealing with special orders, and if they figured out where to get one once, they can probably do it again. For that matter, if they ever run across any copies of #1 or 2, they still have my request and credit card number on file. Don't rely only on catalog listings. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 20:46:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1k0VH006823 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:46:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1jM2L013597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1jL6B046249; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1iHFD045571 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m172.in-tch.com [216.166.191.172]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0K1fQI03898 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:41:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41EF0E18.2080303@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:49:12 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? References: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Definitely a measurable ability--I remember achievement tests in school in which spatial abilities were measured. Lots of fun. And very handy to have--I've found it surprisingly useful in the wide variety of jobs I've had in my life. For me, it just...works. It's one of the things I like so much about working with fabric and textiles--the whole 3-dimensionality of it. Knitting's that way, too...taking something that's one dimensional and playing with it and making it two-dimensional and twisting it and making it 3-dimensional....oh, yeah! I'm making my brother a Klein Bottle hat for next Christmas. Klein bottles are bottles with only one surface, no edges, its inside is its outside...they're cool. Kinda like a bottle version of a mobius strip. None of which, I suppose, does anything to explain why my preferred embroidery is also largely flat, like Cynthia's! ;o) I love the patterns in monochrome embroidery and pulled/drawn thread work..... --Sue Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I'm a lifelong musician who takes tons of costuming classes and STILL > can't figure out how flat fabric becomes curved fabric to fit on > cylindrical bodies. Then again, math and music aren't processed in the > same hemisphere of the brain. I wonder if that's got anything to do with > it. > > I can do embroidery. But it is very politely flat. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 20:47:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1l2S2006845 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:47:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1kR2L013686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1kRRt046830; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1kMe7046770 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LJTTSFLCSWI8RBQ9@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:15 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LJTTSG4E3MGXCLD8@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:16 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:11 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-reply-to: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41EF0D63.9030200@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelin wrote: > I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the issue of fabric paint/ing. > I think I know what I will be doing now. And I plan on doing some research >that was mentioned. Thanks again! > Now, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed or not. Was fur ever dyed >in the Renaissance period? For example, a white fur to green? Curious because >of an an outfit that someone wants done with possible green fake fur (couldn't >afford real fur at the time). > > > Not that I'm aware of, that is, I haven't seen anything to suggest the use of furs in obviously unnatural colours. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 20:51:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K1pI34006925 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:51:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K1og2L013997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1odSO049221; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K1odZq049213 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrRT4-0005Ap-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:50:38 -0800 Message-ID: <41EF0E79.9040304@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:50:49 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions References: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> <4.3.1.2.20050119153931.0256c220@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050119153931.0256c220@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm, I can do it, but it was definitely a learned skill. Maybe that is not even truly correct. I can draft the initial, but always fit it, and then make the adjustment in 2D....does that count? I am always surprised that I can do it. I have a terrible sense of direction....to me they should be related......maybe not. Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 21:38:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K2cL5x007665 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K2bV2L017624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K2bOE4019596; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K2bLDH019518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K3kFFq003132 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:46:15 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking old NESATs Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:58:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86E7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> <200501190113.22268.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501192158.13540.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 19 January 2005 2:16 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > At 1:13 AM -0500 1/19/05, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > >On Tuesday 18 January 2005 10:07 pm, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] >> I have seen NESAT 3 and 4 on and off at David Brown Books--last time I > > checked they only had NESAT 5 and 6, which I already have. > > I asked them to track it down for me -- it took a little while, but > they got me one eventually. David Brown is extremely good about > dealing with special orders, and if they figured out where to get one > once, they can probably do it again. Thank you; I didn't realize they would/could do that. (I note they do have NESAT 4 listed again, by the way, though for more than I'm prepared to pay given all the spending I've done in the past 6 weeks.) :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 21:40:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K2eHGg007713 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K2dk2L017776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K2dkxS020897; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K2brPV019862 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrSCm-0003bC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: <41EF198B.1010804@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:38:03 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns (as was) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, but yours is a view of someone who has not tried to make anything up directly from her patterns (neither personal fit nor scaling has anything to do with it). Some of them simply don't work. By her own admission she did not necessarily make up every thing which appears in her pattern books. Don't get me wrong-she does lovely drawings, and I have seen some of the works she supposedly did herself which are lovely...but that doesn't mean everything she ever attempted was without fault or was even the best solution to the problem. Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >Sorry, but this is the view of someone whose never seen any of Janet Arnold's >work as a costumer (not just historian), or spoken to any of the people who >knew her (speaking from knowledge gained from lots of conversations with my >college costume tutor, who was trained by Arnold). > >Can't help with whose patterns are best, as don't use patterns. (Thanks god >for being one of those who was born with that spacial ability that's been >mentioned!!!) >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 22:49:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K3nFU2008779 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K3mK2L022876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K3lhXq056309; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K3lfre056280 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrTIK-0006uB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: <021101c4fea2$cc07b230$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com><4.3.1.2.20050119153931.0256c220@mail.frys.com> <41EF0E79.9040304@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:47:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Then you have people like me.....I can either drape or flat pattern just about anything, with the exception of men's jackets. I have to drape those. The sleeves, however, I can't drape to save my life; those I have to flat pattern. Frustrating sometimes, but I get it to work. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 19 23:30:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K4UBQm009410 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K4T82L025829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K4T0Zb078452; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K4Svbx078417 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.147.184.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.147.184]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrTw7-0000pi-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41EF32DC.4040809@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:26:04 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Jacobean jackets and draping or not, was pattern review? References: <20050119.093302.720.3.Cley@juno.com> <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> In-Reply-To: <1106157285.41ee9ee5e30e5@reconstructinghistory.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, it's not just me. I have spent years pounding my head against the wall, because I can look at a garment and then just draft a pattern. And I just could not figure out that why everyone else didn't just do the same. My wife on more than one occasion has come home to find me finishing up her a new work outfit, and asked where I got the pattern, only to be meet with a blank stare, and what pattern. I just thought that everyone could do that. Oh and on embroidery I once did a piece of Bargello out out four different threads, all white. The pattern was created by the different textures of the thread. Caused a number of head to explode at our Embroidery Guild meeting. Stephen historian@reconstructinghistory.com wrote: >Quoting Cynthia J Ley : > > > >>>>Also, I've met more than a few people who simply don't have the >>>>ability to translate a 2-dimensional flat drawing into a >>>>3-dimensional garment. I think it's an inborn spatial ability that >>>>some of us have and some don't -- rather like musical ability. >>>> >>>> >>>[snip] >>> >>> >>I'm a lifelong musician who takes tons of costuming classes and STILL >>can't figure out how flat fabric becomes curved fabric to fit on >>cylindrical bodies. Then again, math and music aren't processed in the >>same hemisphere of the brain. I wonder if that's got anything to do with >>it. >> >> > >Being able to look at a three dimensional piece and see what you have to do in >two dimensions to make that piece is definitely something you're born with, I >think. You have it or you don't. You can learn to "fake" it, but it's very >difficult. > > > >>I can do embroidery. But it is very politely flat. :) >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 00:17:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K5HQqd009961 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:17:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K5GU2L029829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:16:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K5GJNJ004821; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:16:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K5GFHb004782 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAL009DENZ2B6@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.53] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.126]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:14 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects To: Historical Costume Message-id: <458aa3457ca6.457ca6458aa3@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO North eastern NJ.. You offering?? Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Rognstad > Where do you live? > > On Jan 19, 2005, at 11:06 AM, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > > I am one of those people who can't drape anything! I can fix almost anything mechanical, write a computer program in COBOL, and make my own spinning wheel - but I am DENSE when it comes to transfering 2D clothing patterns to 3D!! > >I am offering $$ for a person to make me a "sloper"?? - a fabric version of my body - so I can use it as a base for my garb. > >Lady Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 00:40:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K5el8x010064 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K5e62L001085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K5e3jn014381; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K5e1C5014360 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.18] (p02.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.18]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0K5cPv19288 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:38:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <458aa3457ca6.457ca6458aa3@optonline.net> References: <458aa3457ca6.457ca6458aa3@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FC57D9E-6AA6-11D9-AD56-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:46:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Only if you lived in Colorado. I can't do right it without having the actual body. On Jan 19, 2005, at 10:16 PM, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > North eastern NJ.. > > You offering?? > > Katheryne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sylvia Rognstad > >> Where do you live? >> >> On Jan 19, 2005, at 11:06 AM, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: >>> I am one of those people who can't drape anything! I can fix almost >>> anything mechanical, write a computer program in COBOL, and make my >>> own spinning wheel - but I am DENSE when it comes to transfering 2D >>> clothing patterns to 3D!! >>> I am offering $$ for a person to make me a "sloper"?? - a fabric >>> version of my body - so I can use it as a base for my garb. >>> Lady Katheryne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 01:01:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K61WUj010208 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:01:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K60L2L001883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K60GIH021887; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K60A3I021821 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrVMX-0005i0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:00:09 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050119232033.02847ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:26:34 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501191902.j0JJ27oC078633@net.indra.com> References: <200501191902.j0JJ27oC078633@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: cleaning fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy, Sometimes the cleaning issues aren't with the main fabric or even the lining. They may be with the interfacings, padding, etc. that form the structure of the coat. Yes, you can wash fake fur (gentle, cold) and air or no-heat dry it. The same for the polyester. But one never knows if there is loose cotton wadding, or something else inside. Can you tell by gently feeling along the edges and at the collar and shoulders, how much internal structure is there? It would be sad if the inner and outer fabrics came out great, but there are ugly bunchies and lumps where the inner structure came apart. Good luck!! Sandy (who gets to take apart a real mink coat one of these days to make teddy bears for the owner's granddaughters!!) At 01:02 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote: >From: >Subject: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur > >Hello, > >I found a great ankle-length fake fur coat at a thrift store. After >getting ringworm from god knows where I now wash or dry clean all clothing >that comes into my house, but I'm at a complete loss what to do about this >coat! The cleaning instructions say "clean by fur method. Do not brush, >press or steam" which is not helpful to me at all. > >Help? It's a black fur with a pile about an inch and a half deep and a >woven polyester-ish backing. The lining is standard coat polyester lining >fabric. > >Thanks! > --Kathy K. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 03:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0K8qDlD008505 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:52:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0K8pW2L009578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:51:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K8pL0K087663; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0K8p97E087445 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 980BC47FE5C for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:50:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004301c4fecd$2c2f1390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:51:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, To me you could very easy make the loops. Let them start where you have the seam inside the corset. The buttons wil be closed where you wanted the buttonholes to be, so nothing is spoiled. Looks very nice................ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 05:14:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KAEot2030997 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KAE42L014239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KADwux021614; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KADu3T021599 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrZK8-0000He-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:13:56 -0800 Message-ID: <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:14:08 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41EF0D63.9030200@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <41EF0D63.9030200@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, as a matter of fact I asked this question a number of years ago, unfortunately no one was able to help me much either. The only thing I have run across to "support" it was mention in a historical fiction novel by Dorathy Dunnett. Not helpful I know. This was one of those things where I had to resort to my one of my historian friends motto: "If you thought of it, they probably thought of it." It is just hard to believe it doesn't show up anywhere. I mean they clearly dyed fabric and leather......I'd be particularly interested if you find anything! Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 05:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KAIIXj031801 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:18:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KAHc2L014667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KAHabd023114; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KAHWhx023066 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:17:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792729@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) thread-index: AcT+UaKgzA/RsJ3nQySqx0Z/iLcGxgAhxcEA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I wish! Try finding *anything* still gridded off in inches instead of > > centimetres in the UK and you'll have an exercise in futility! > > > > Teddy > > Teddy, do you have any shops around your area that carry role > playing games? I've seen blank "battle maps" for RPGs > gridded in one inch squares -- it's the standard grid for > Dungeons and Dragons. The vinyl maps would be way too > expensive to use as pattern layout grids, but at least one > company makes the blank maps in coated paper. You'd probably > have to tape several sheets together, though. Good tip, Leah - thanks! I do actually have one of those cardboard mats gridded in inches (a lucky find, still in it's original wrapper, in a ssecond hand shop some time ago - dating back to before the change-over to decimalisation was quite so far advanced)... gridded pattern paper, on the other hand is almost always in centimeres (as I discovered the first time I tried to get some to scale up a pattern from Janet Arnold)... stupid obsession with metric measurements this country has developed.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 05:40:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KAec3X009822 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:40:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KAdv2L015597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KAdqdp031743; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KAdnxC031719 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:39:44 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979272A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes thread-index: AcT+YfaMOXWanHHpSrWUTQc/4dRS7QAeXD3g Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > BULK! And I honestly cannot get rid of any > more of the seam allowance bulk without weakening the whole thing far too > much. Bear with me here, while I try to explain a possible solution without the visuals... The button and buttonhole strips overlap, and this is what they are meant to do in order for the garment to fit - right? In that case, sew the buttons on the *buttonhole* strip and sew button loops to the ouside of the garment along the seam/edge of the *button* strip where it meets the garment - that way, the button-loops some up over the edge of the buttonhole strip and round the buttons, holding it in place overlapping the button strip.... not the standard way of doing button loops but it should work on a garment where the fit is close enough that here's nowhere on the inside of the garment (between the garment and the wearer, for the "underlap" to go to. Does any of that make sense? I can picture it but have no idea if the explanation carries the idea over Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 05:47:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KAligc012011 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:47:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KAlC2L015921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:47:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KAkh5B034347; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50010.mail.yahoo.com (web50010.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KAkex8034279 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolas_fouquet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60952 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2005 10:46:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1wj8wfxbRV1NssbOkNeTK9wd5FUR92LWa+W37MRUQZb00CRJ52M+spL/YkchImHb1lBkp3LnkUhrTG1aSUDNDGK8FTMWhgU8kONCZXQJVmPUH74x8y+MQdkkYvILJPMJdbAmw7GV4eFueXvFw1BvEDCiCYocpTjxVcuN+BTcLcI= ; Message-ID: <20050120104635.60950.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web50010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:46:35 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:46:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Marquesate Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792729@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO stupid obsession > with metric measurements this country has developed.... grumble> > Hooray! Ist what I say *grins at Teddy* Silly imperial measurements, they make no sense. :-) Nicole - German in England ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 05:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KAruMC013410 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:53:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KArK2L016172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KArHWw036873; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:53:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KArEIT036835 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 371DC5EE028 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:53:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c4fede$3ae29860$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050120104635.60950.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:53:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I say the same here, but then again, i cant get used to the meassures with inches. I was educated with cm. But i feel with you Teddy, must be difficult to be forsed to use cm's Bjarne who is expecting my niece right away to fit the mock up bodice. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquesate" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) > stupid obsession >> with metric measurements this country has developed....> grumble> >> > > Hooray! Ist what I say *grins at Teddy* > > Silly imperial measurements, they make no sense. :-) > > Nicole - German in England > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 06:07:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KB7skx013631 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KB7I2L016919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:07:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KB7Eav042508; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KB757c042356 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:06:59 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050120105604.01537ec8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:03:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? now inches and cms. In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792729@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx .ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The vinyl maps would be way too > > expensive to use as pattern layout grids, but at least one > > company makes the blank maps in coated paper. You'd probably > > have to tape several sheets together, though. > >Good tip, Leah - thanks! > >I do actually have one of those cardboard mats gridded in inches (a >lucky find, still in it's original wrapper, in a ssecond hand shop some >time ago - dating back to before the change-over to decimalisation was >quite so far advanced)... gridded pattern paper, on the other hand is >almost always in centimeres (as I discovered the first time I tried to >get some to scale up a pattern from Janet Arnold)... stupid obsession >with metric measurements this country has developed....grumble> I'm with you Teddy. I was taught to use bits of my body as rough guide to measurements - a thumb width is 1inch, across my hand 4", finger tip to thumb tip, about 8 inches, tip of nose to end of outstretched arm 36" or one yard (I have to turn my nose to the side - I have short arms!!) A foot without a shoe 10", and a normal sort of stride, about a yard again. I cannot do all that in centimetres, although I buy fabric in metres, and if stuck turn my measure and use metric if the inches don't quite fit!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 06:21:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KBLTZD013837 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KBKf2L017475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KBKXiD047833; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KBKVWb047800 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D74FF38 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.34]) by filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.176]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04338-29-87 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-136-220-141.dsl1.glv.ny.frontiernet.net [67.136.220.141]) by relay01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5017DFE8A for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41EF93F3.1070900@telenet.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:20:19 -0500 From: Home Ec User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes References: <011920051956.13088.41EEBB66000051AE0000332022058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0e6601c4fe66$328542d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you don't like the keep the buttons and put loops on (that would just loop over the bottons in the front), there is the method that we were forced to use by a RenFaire we were stupid enough to take on the costuming for. They insisted that everything used these huge snaps (we just started to call them whoppers). The snaps never did show, and we worked hard to still make the garments look like they were laced, etc. They actually did hold for everything, even though we kept wincing. And you can use them on the cotton velvet - another thing we ended up using a lot, even though we felt sorry for the actors wearing this in July! Rowena And I did gasp at how pretty that corset is. And totally understand that you will never again make one. We have a few of those from that RenFaire Summer. E House wrote: > I uploaded a quick photo (sorry, slightly large file) of the corset: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/P1008514.jpg (lightened slightly to > show detail--it looks so much nicer in person, sigh) > > You see, the buttonhole strip acts as a binding for that center front > edge of the corset, and while I could eliminate part of it, I couldn't > eliminate enough of it for it to look right. (Remember, I'm picky. =} > ) Loops, as handy as they'd be, just wouldn't really work well for me; > if nothing else, they'd be completely out of line with the look of the > corset. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 08:23:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KDNfLA015758 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:23:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KDMq2L023047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:22:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDMp37099236; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDMRkw099029 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A08C1E70090; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:22:20 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 20 Jan 05 13:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c4fef3$30737ec0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> <41EEB0D7.4050308@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:23:09 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And one of the warning signs for Lime Disease (the bulls eye). Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur > Welllllll, it depends on how much you want to spend on this thing. > > Some fake furs do fine in the wash, with cool water. But yours has a > warning on it. This might mean that it really needs the official fur > method, or it might be that they were covering all the bases with > needless cautions. > > I'm agressively thrifty, so if it were mine, I'd probably wash it and > hope for the best, but if you really love it, spend the money to do it > right. I know this list has discussed ways of cleaning fur yourself > before; you could check the archives. > > Ringworm (for you non-native anglophones, it's not a worm, it's a > bacterial skin infection) might come from any source, if the conditions > are right, like a cold. The last time I got it, there hadn't been any > obvious vector. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Would you like to spend a week at a cottage on the Maine coast? Family > business: $642 for a week, beds for 5 people. More details and photos at > http://www.virtue.to/cottages.html > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 08:23:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KDNf8f015759 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:23:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KDJZ2L022813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:19:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDJPqV097593; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDJNDO097514 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AFD4270084; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:19:16 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 20 Jan 05 13:19:15 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c4fef2$c25afc60$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0e3b01c4fe5a$aee743c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:20:04 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do this all the time with my costume animals. However, with some of the fine faux furs out there, they are not to be subjected to a common wash. And the interlinings, fabric backing and such will be affected by detergents. I do not know what the "furrier method is, but it does make a big difference in keeping the garment faux and not just fake. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur > I just bought some fake fur to play with, and am about to machine wash it > according the the instructions in Fabric Savvy (which says machine wash > cold, dryer with no heat or shake it and air dry). Wish me luck, and I'll > tell you how it turns out. =} > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 08:41:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KDfE9d016012 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KDeX2L024197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDeU7S007655; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDeQKV007604 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4C4196008E; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:40:20 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 20 Jan 05 13:40:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c4fef5$b3a082a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050119183654.ZZNH21228.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net><41EECA35.10106@reddawn.net> <0e7501c4fe74$844321b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur--trial results Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:41:08 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When ever I am working with the stuff, I always throw it (the pieces) in the dryer after cutting, to remove all the loose stuff before sewing. This is only a problem the 'first' time. And another caution, any of the long furs, like gorilla, will matt if they come in contact with heat of any kind. Bye the bye, use a pet grooming glove to 'groom' the fur as needed. A wig brush works nicely on the long fur, for grooming. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: cleaning fake fur--trial results > Welp, the fake fur is mostly done drying, and I'd call the experiment > successful. I haven't measured it yet to see if it shrank, but I'd be > surprised if it did, because it has a polyester backing. The look and feel > of it is exactly the same as before I washed it, as far as I can tell. The > only issue is a ton of har lint all over both my washer and dryer! But > since the edges weren't bound in any way, I think the hair is mostly from > the cut edges--the fur, overall, doesn't look any thinner or sparser. I > probably wouldn't wash it too often, just in case, but overall I'm quite > happy. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 08:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KDjVL7016090 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:45:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KDiw2L024370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:44:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDiw94009627; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KDitt3009599 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:44:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:43:20 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:42:54 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? now inches and cms. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Y'all seem to be fairly good with your computers, so make the grid paper on the computer, you will need several pages and have to tape them together but it would be in inches and its just right there for just a little time. and not too expensive. good luck theresa >>> suzi@suziclarke.co.uk 1/20/2005 5:03:09 AM >>> > The vinyl maps would be way too > > expensive to use as pattern layout grids, but at least one > > company makes the blank maps in coated paper. You'd probably > > have to tape several sheets together, though. > >Good tip, Leah - thanks! > >I do actually have one of those cardboard mats gridded in inches (a >lucky find, still in it's original wrapper, in a ssecond hand shop some >time ago - dating back to before the change-over to decimalisation was >quite so far advanced)... gridded pattern paper, on the other hand is >almost always in centimeres (as I discovered the first time I tried to >get some to scale up a pattern from Janet Arnold)... stupid obsession >with metric measurements this country has developed....grumble> I'm with you Teddy. I was taught to use bits of my body as rough guide to measurements - a thumb width is 1inch, across my hand 4", finger tip to thumb tip, about 8 inches, tip of nose to end of outstretched arm 36" or one yard (I have to turn my nose to the side - I have short arms!!) A foot without a shoe 10", and a normal sort of stride, about a yard again. I cannot do all that in centimetres, although I buy fabric in metres, and if stuck turn my measure and use metric if the inches don't quite fit!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:05:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KE5OcI016453 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KE4k2L025435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:04:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KE4gMA019455; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:04:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KE4eYi019377 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from corbiegirl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66675 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2005 14:04:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Cheers, Mara ===== --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:11:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEB06k016552 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEAC2L025737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEA9hn022272; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound1.logical.net (outbound1.logical.net [209.23.116.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEA7M3022182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from homeec@telenet.net) Received: from localhost (cpanel.acmenet.net [209.23.116.97]) by outbound1.logical.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KEA0XB021096 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:10:00 -0500 Received: from little-falls-high-pat.moric.org (little-falls-high-pat.moric.org [168.170.198.40]) by www.webmail.logical.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1106230210.41efbbc238a94@www.webmail.logical.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:10:10 -0500 From: homeec@telenet.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41EF0D63.9030200@paradise.net.nz> <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 168.170.198.40 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I remeber that in the book on the greenland digs in the 1920s, he mentions they found Polar Bear Fur dyed red. Just one mention, and (as usual) no details. I'll see if I can look it up this evening. Rowena -- Quoting Wicked Frau : > Yes, as a matter of fact I asked this question a number of years ago, > unfortunately no one was able to help me much either. The only thing I > have run across to "support" it was mention in a historical fiction > novel by Dorathy Dunnett. Not helpful I know. This was one of those > things where I had to resort to my one of my historian friends motto: > "If you thought of it, they probably thought of it." It is just hard to > believe it doesn't show up anywhere. I mean they clearly dyed fabric > and leather......I'd be particularly interested if you find anything! > > Sg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEGBKB016624 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEFV2L026060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEFQnD024982; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41010.mail.yahoo.com (web41010.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KEExLL024739 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:15:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59522 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2005 14:14:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BaBI04pYNauohWaOqxxRA2BkuFLf8ZQ0EhrL6du/YrUEfl/YQZCpKLP0yOIEYZKCrQDqVeCiSnpfWoveGK+PQlOVieoo4tnqQ6IxVTjLIQy0ZdeZzecCBSSPNmRa7MudQ4kPM5hGLIc2k9cBR1Cf8WX9tcwPOp8Dt7/8O4jK2UE= ; Message-ID: <20050120141453.59515.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:14:53 PST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050120104635.60950.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well I never could get my head around to inches, feet and miles and all the other imperial measures. I have grown up with the metric system and it is only because the metric system was declared during the first napoleonetic reign in France that England did not get it before not. the metric system is so much easier to calculate in, as you only have to add or substract zeroes to go from one unit to another 100cm is 1m is 0.001 km To stay on topic. I am taking a flat pattern construction class as evening class, and am enjoying is very much. Tania Marquesate wrote: stupid obsession > with metric measurements this country has developed....> grumble> > Hooray! Ist what I say *grins at Teddy* Silly imperial measurements, they make no sense. :-) Nicole - German in England ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:19:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEJDIG016693 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEIr2L026424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEIqqH026977; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEHCDN026002 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Crd7X-0004bm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <8499744.1106230631763.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:17:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0KEHCDN026002 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- > Quoting Cynthia J Ley : > Being able to look at a three dimensional piece and see what you have to do in > two dimensions to make that piece is definitely something you're born with, I > think. You have it or you don't. You can learn to "fake" it, but it's very > difficult. Oh, yeah -- the husband does it ... in spades. I cannot. He used to love drafting class where they give 3 sides of a 3-D object, and you have to draw the other sides. :-P Jerusha (susan) ____________________________ This was my BEST SCORE on the Aptitude test they gave us in the ninth grade--I LOVED mentally folding the flat drawings. AND YET when it comes to fabric and the human body I really can't transfer the skill. Wish I could. On the other hand, most of my sewing, and all of my period and quasi-period sewing, is for costuming community theater casts in period (and quasi-) productions. That means all shapes and sizes of people, rarely two in one season for the same body, multiple designs, very little chance for precision fittings (community theater actors rarely have any extra time beyond the essential rehearsals), and very little time overall to get everything done. Additionally, I farm out some of the costumes to other wonderful women who sew well from patterns but don't want too much creative control and do most of their sewing miles away from me, and I need to be able to give them precise directions about what to do. Under these circumstances, I thank all the gods that there are patterns! I can alter them and size them up or down, but I cannot work from scratch. I could never afford enough dress forms to do draping, and although my brain might eventually be able to apply its spatial-reasonin! g talent to fabric, I never really have time to take the time to learn and practice and, especially, make mistakes! I admire and am jealous of all of you who are not dependent on pattern manufacturers. But I also step into the group I most admire, which takes in the whole list: people who apply their talents, patience, intellect, ingenuity, and aesthetic sense to make the best historical or historically influenced clothing they can. Cheers, everybody! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:28:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KESuI0017022 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:28:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KERu2L027120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KERhaM032295; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEReEg032265 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792731@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) thread-index: AcT++2hph+9a7/MHRRiALFoT0oXK3AAAGW0w Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > stupid obsession > > with metric measurements this country has developed.... > grumble> > > > > Hooray! Ist what I say *grins at Teddy* > > Silly imperial measurements, they make no sense. :-) > > Nicole - German in England Of course, you can say that becasue you *know* we're never going to agree on it. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEUkqD017064 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEU42L027194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEU30O033498; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:30:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KERwqq032397 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005012014275301300935uue>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:53 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:51 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:51 +0000 Message-Id: <012020051427.25404.41EFBFE700095D790000633C22069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hhhmmm. The only references I've found , in period, to dyeing have been the recipes found in "The Plichto", which is a Dyemasters 'recipe' book. It had directions for dyeing horsetails, and other such things. I'd love to be able to help more, but the book is buried under mountains of boxes of books in my storage unit. Not much help, I'm afraid....sorry! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Yes, as a matter of fact I asked this question a number of years ago, > unfortunately no one was able to help me much either. The only thing I > have run across to "support" it was mention in a historical fiction > novel by Dorathy Dunnett. Not helpful I know. This was one of those > things where I had to resort to my one of my historian friends motto: > "If you thought of it, they probably thought of it." It is just hard to > believe it doesn't show up anywhere. I mean they clearly dyed fabric > and leather......I'd be particularly interested if you find anything! > > Sg > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:32:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEW5ZA017094 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:32:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEVE2L027289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEVD7a034130; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEV73I034067 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:30:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) thread-index: AcT++2hph+9a7/MHRRiALFoT0oXK3AAAKqvQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I say the same here, but then again, i cant get used to the > meassures with inches. I was educated with cm. I was educated in metric too (ddin't start school until after the change to metric took place) but still think in the old "imperial" measurements. For example, I *know* how much 3 YARDS of fabric is, but all can get from 3 METRES is that it's "more than 3 yards" Same with weights and measures. I can understand how much is involved in a pint of liquid or a pound of flour. I'm just a dinosaur that somehow happened along after his time. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:45:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KEjbRV017315 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEj62L028199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEj2ks041928; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEix2s041830 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DE887179EC6; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust37.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.37]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C9022179E1F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:44:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0eb401c4fefe$b20de5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41EF0D63.9030200@paradise.net.nz> <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:45:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was dyeing my fur (although in my case, I was dyeing it to a more natural looking color) I ran across a few mentions of dyed fur, although I didn't save any of them. As a matter of fact, though, one of the references I'm remembering was to fur dyed green! I'll try to backtrack my previous searches, but I'm not promising any primary sources. A few things I found quickly, though: There's info on some extant dyed rabbit fur from the 17th(?) century in Fashion in Detail by Avril Hart and Susan North. Either QEWU or the first Patterns of Fashion is supposed to have a reference to it as well, which would put it closer to your time period. (Disclaimer: I have none of these books.) Going back to the 17thC, there is some blue dyed fur in a c1650-60 painting by Castiglione ("Journey of a Patriarch"). All of this is later than the Renaissance, but if I'm finding these references in a few minutes, I'd say it's definitely something you shouldn't give up on yet! There are at least a few 15thC paintings and illuminations I can think of where there is something that looks a good deal like dyed fur, although that's not proof. I expect it would have been most common to dye a less expensive fur to look like a more expensive fur (for example, dyeing rabbit to a dark brown) rather than to a bright and unnatural color, though. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:59:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KExoM9017557 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEw62L000593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEw5kf049911; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KEw21l049849 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m143.in-tch.com [216.166.191.143]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0KEtBI11965 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:55:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41EFC821.308@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:02:57 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) References: <20050120141453.59515.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050120141453.59515.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I suspect that relative ease in using a given measuring system is a bit like learning a language--the "easiest" one, the one that "makes the most sense" will probably be the one you grew up with. For me, as an American, that would be American English, and the non-metric system ;o). I got some stuff on the metric system in high school, so can make some rudimentary translations, which can come in very handy, living this close to Canada (and some stuff--like beverages--is sold in the US using both metric and imperial). And while I can certainly see that a metric system is more logical/scientific, I *am* more comfortable with the old, grumpy, eccentric imperial system. I "understand" the weirdnesses the same way I understand the vaguaries and eccentricities of my native language. --sue, who has a couple of bolts of 1-inch-gridded pattern "paper", some of which she could probably be persuaded to figure out a way to get to Teddy, if he's interested....I'm not using it at all, and it's just going to waste in my storage unit. Tania Gruning wrote: > Well I never could get my head around to inches, feet and miles and > all the other imperial measures. I have grown up with the metric > system and it is only because the metric system was declared during > the first napoleonetic reign in France that England did not get it > before not. the metric system is so much easier to calculate in, as > you only have to add or substract zeroes to go from one unit to > another 100cm is 1m is 0.001 km To stay on topic. I am taking a flat > pattern construction class as evening class, and am enjoying is very > much. Tania _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 09:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KExrYt017560 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KEvG3V000336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KErxvK047525; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KErt9j047422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KG2pOQ003219 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:02:52 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:14:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> <0eb401c4fefe$b20de5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0eb401c4fefe$b20de5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501201014.49935.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 20 January 2005 9:45 am, E House wrote: [snip] > Going back to the 17thC, there is some blue dyed fur in a c1650-60 > painting by Castiglione ("Journey of a Patriarch"). Ah. One thing to take into account is wool shag, which looks sort of like fur and would certainly have been dyed. How can you be sure that isn't what's shown in the Castiglione painting? (I admit I'm not familiar with the painting myself). -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 10:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KFP7RL017990 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KFO12L004801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KFNtaB066512; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KFNbXs066326 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-51-158.jps.net ([209.165.51.158]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cre9o-0003F5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:23:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:42 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:55 AM +0000 1/20/05, roscelin wrote: > I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the issue of >fabric paint/ing. > I think I know what I will be doing now. And I plan on doing some research >that was mentioned. Thanks again! > Now, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed or not. Was fur ever dyed >in the Renaissance period? For example, a white fur to green? >Curious because >of an an outfit that someone wants done with possible green fake fur (couldn't >afford real fur at the time). I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, but there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, namely silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's created, whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a sewn rug. If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being portrayed is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome means I can't remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I _think_ it was Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental cross-index know what garment I'm talking about and where to find it? -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 10:33:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KFXEmV018171 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:33:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KFWK2L006902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KFWBoU072166; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KFW9Eg072118 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-26058); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:32:07 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:32:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050120072956.00d77620@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:32:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <200501201014.49935.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <0eb401c4fefe$b20de5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41EF8470.9010408@earthlink.net> <0eb401c4fefe$b20de5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:14 AM 1/20/2005 -0500, you wrote: >On Thursday 20 January 2005 9:45 am, E House wrote: >[snip] > > > Going back to the 17thC, there is some blue dyed fur in a c1650-60 > > painting by Castiglione ("Journey of a Patriarch"). > >Ah. One thing to take into account is wool shag, which looks sort of like >fur >and would certainly have been dyed. How can you be sure that isn't what's >shown in the Castiglione painting? (I admit I'm not familiar with the >painting myself). > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue >that counts."--Winston Churchill And another fur-like fabric is silk plush or shag (referred to in QEWU, with surviving example shown), which was used as linings for cloaks and gowns. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 10:51:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KFplmR018454 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:51:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KFob2L012466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KFoXoe085878; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KFoUUu085775 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:50:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.e2.b45746d (3948) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:50:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, homeec@telenet.net writes: > They insisted that everything used these huge snaps (we > just started to call them whoppers). > Ahhhh....whopper poppers A word [rant] about closings: If it's something that just lays together without tension, snaps, velcro....they are OK. But if it's a tight bodice or something that has tension, ask yourself, why would you use a closing that you PULL to come apart? I see this all the time! Snaps down the front of tight bodices. THINK! It is true that whopper poppers and Velcro for NASA takes a lot of pulling but why people use these things to close tight fitting garments I'll never know. And I love how some people think Velcro is "easy". I find it a pain in the ass. I'd rather do buttons and button holes than deal with the stuff. Like people who think Stitch Witchery is easier than just hemming something. WRONG. It take longer to do the stitch witchery than to just use a needle and thread. And with a needle and thread you don't gook up your fabric with glue. OK....I'm done.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 11:10:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KGAQsa018617 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KG9Z2L018184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KG9WFX000746; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KG9TgY000637 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA89X7LAXFGSB2 for (sender ); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:09:14 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgoLcNAisIh/OJZvHiT4MQjk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHS46G57; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:16 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:22:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions Message-ID: <20050120.080706.2124.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,9-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2231340912 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This was my BEST SCORE on the Aptitude test they gave us in the > ninth grade--I LOVED mentally folding the flat drawings. AND YET > when it comes to fabric and the human body I really can't transfer > the skill. Wish I could. I've gotten better at those. My husband's a whiz kid at them. OTOH, I scored quite well on the trigonometry portion of my GRE test, and I've never taken trig--I'm number dyslexic and never made it past basic algebra and barely understand basic fractions to this day! Shocked hell out of me! Trig's a philosophy problem. (Now that, I'm good at!) ;) Trade you some embroidery for a costume! ;) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 11:44:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KGiM7h018796 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:44:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KGhB2L021899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:43:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KGgukH028975; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KGgrmn028917 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25011 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:53:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:53:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Teddy wrote: > For example, I *know* how much 3 YARDS of fabric is, but all can get > from 3 METRES is that it's "more than 3 yards" > > Same with weights and measures. I can understand how much is involved > in a pint of liquid or a pound of flour. > > I'm just a dinosaur that somehow happened along after his time. Teddy, obviously you have to move to the States, where we still measure fabric in yards, and recipes use pounds and pints. But I believe our cups and spoons vary slighly from yours -- in fact, an English friend kindly sent me a set of British measuring cups and spoons to go with an old British recipe book. I should check and see if they're actually different. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 12:31:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KHVqpM019113 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:31:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KHUf2L027008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KHUaZA039613; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KHUP8i039371 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 17:30:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050120172243.01495e50@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:28:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) In-Reply-To: References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:53 20/01/2005 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Teddy wrote: > > > For example, I *know* how much 3 YARDS of fabric is, but all can get > > from 3 METRES is that it's "more than 3 yards" > > > > Same with weights and measures. I can understand how much is involved > > in a pint of liquid or a pound of flour. > > > > I'm just a dinosaur that somehow happened along after his time. > >Teddy, obviously you have to move to the States, where we still measure >fabric in yards, and recipes use pounds and pints. But I believe our cups >and spoons vary slighly from yours -- in fact, an English friend kindly >sent me a set of British measuring cups and spoons to go with an old >British recipe book. I should check and see if they're actually different. Robin Our pint is 20 fluid ounces, yours is 16 fluid ounces, therefore our cup measure is 10 fluid ounces, yours 8 fluid ounces!! It can make a difference - I have a set of American cups and half, quarter and so on. I also think our spoon sizes are a fraction different, but I can't work out which are my American spoons and which my English!! (Someday I must sit down and measure.) Also, so much of American measuring is done by the cup, whereas we still measure by the weight. (We are supposed to use metric there too, but if you have a perfectly good dual system scales, and your eye happens to fall on the imperial measures instead of the metric, well, unless the is a spy camera in my kitchen, who's to know???) Suzi (using American tonight for cornbread!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 14:13:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KJDcf7024010 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:13:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KJCa2L008011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KJCMjC029865; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KJCIDM029764 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200501201912120140010rhke>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:12:12 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:12:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th c. mittens pattern From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050120140435.66673.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is hilarious -- based on the photos of the final results, this is the mitten pattern my mother already uses! So my red wool pair is already authentic! Way too much fun! Thanks, Mara! Lauren > From: Mara Riley > I've just posted a fairly simple mittens pattern, with sizes for > adults and children, on my website at: > > http://www.marariley.net/patterns.htm > > The mittens are based on the mitten in Neumann's _Collector's > Encyclopedia of the American Revolution_ and pics in a paper from one > of the Tidy's Symposia. > > Cheers, > Mara > > ===== > --------------------- > Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. > - Voltaire > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 14:43:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KJh26l024228 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:43:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KJg42L011470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KJg0Of025233; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KJfqix023431 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LJUVCXPZGGI8RBQ9@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:41:49 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LJUVCYBOWOGWMF8B@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:41:50 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:41:40 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) In-reply-to: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <41F00974.6060908@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: >>I say the same here, but then again, i cant get used to the >>meassures with inches. I was educated with cm. >> >> > >I was educated in metric too (ddin't start school until after the change >to metric took place) but still think in the old "imperial" >measurements. > > > Would you believe I use Imperial measure when sewing, but work out fabric requirements in metres? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 15:27:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KKReHk024494 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KKQM2L016019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKQBPm037411; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKQ4TJ037049 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB8547FE76 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:25:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c4ff2e$384b3d50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:25:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion print. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh i am so happy, my niece tryed the corset and the bodice, and it was very well. She gets such a beautifull body in this corset, and beautifull clevage two. Then i have ben speculating how i could embellish the dress so that the over and underskirt in same shocking pink would be better noticed. I looked trough Stella Blums book with fashion prints, and found the solution. Anglaise dress bordée de Marlborough, wich will say that there are two green panels inserted in the fronts of the overskirt. The fashion print has pink anglaise and green panels stitched with bordeaux ribbons. The underskirt has also a little green insertion with same bordeaux ribbons. I can do that! Then the lady is wearing a white fichue with spots in pink. My Seta silk paint will come in handy here, i shall try to paint the fichu with spots of pink. The sleaves ends in white frills, starting over the elbow, looks very nice. I shall have a very bad night, i cant sleep because i cant wait to start it tomorrow. The print is on page 43 in Stella Blums book. Hurrah, how lucky i looked in that book......... Sorry about this but i am so excited! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 15:37:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KKb07f024551 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KKaC2L017097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:36:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKa7aD044875; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKa3KU044795 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so800rng for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:importance; b=etIf2PEy7sgiIA713kNKV2B+0ux50bQ1GufgA/z6EidKAEmYeM80WSVGT2XMx5iKseBFfq40UtXfdpo62kkqVC5xVgmCcHVPqGPQgp+Ehyh1aNFF23KYY+zaiKTbWVtqL6dpkBgB6KhrD9gZvk/0RbyGRwBmu2LqFwyxDKIPb+g= Received: by 10.38.165.8 with SMTP id n8mr80689rne; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 59sm1199rnb.2005.01.20.12.36.01; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:35:57 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86EB@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <41F00974.6060908@paradise.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Glad I'm not the only one. Joanna -----Original Message----- Would you believe I use Imperial measure when sewing, but work out fabric requirements in metres? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 15:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KKlbQK024612 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KKkg2L018204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKkX6Y097870; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KKkGIn096303 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 3F46F20891; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust174.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.174]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 478E6208B3 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0f4b01c4ff31$2380cae0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792732@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <41F00974.6060908@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use metric almost (but not quite) as much as I use imperial in my various projects, but I definitely think in imperial. To me, the subdivisions are so much handier--an inch is just a more useful size to me than a cm, and a foot so much handier than a decimeter, etc. And 1/3 of a unit is so much easier to visualize than 1/10 of a unit; 1/12 of a unit is easier to visualize than 1/100, and so on. (Also, 12 is more divisble into whole units than 10, and 36 just as many as 100!) But then, I generally think that systems that evolve over time work better than something that springs forth complete from the very first. It's, well, it's all broken in by the time I use it! If something was going to need fixing, it's already been fixed! (I also prefer used cars. Not that that's a perfect analogy...) The imperial system evolved intuitively, and the metric system is rigidly rational--as numbers-oriented as I am, I'm still so much more an intuitive person than a rational person. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 16:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KLFZKQ024859 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KLEF2L021532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLE9Fn093695; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLE5Bu092994 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7F723F26 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906AD347 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:03 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1B53@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lining & bag lining Thread-Index: AcT+zmg0VXmPZdaeTwqB5tv//NzDcAAY52dg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 21:14:03.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7E9BF50:01C4FF34] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0KLE5Bu092994 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lining & bag lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, does anyone know when lining garments came into widespread practice? All the pictures I've seen of the Greenland garments and in _Textiles and Clothing: Medieval Finds from Excavations in London, c.1150-c.1450_ are unlined. Yet nearly everything in Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women C1560-1620_ is lined to some extent. I remember from Robin's lecture that lining the gothic fitted dress is very important to the structure of the garment -- do we have any archeological evidence that the gothic fitted dresses _were_ lined? I know that there are a couple textural references to lining (I don't know how extensive these references are -- I can think of one off-hand from _A Medieval Book of Seasons_), and I'm sure I can find art-references with pictures showing the interior of the garment a different color then the exterior but that could easily be done for art-composition reasons rather then as a depiction of reality... so, does anyone know when lining came into use? (It's always possible that my understanding of the Greenland garments is incomplete -- I haven't gotten _Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland" yet.) A corollary thing I was wondering -- does anyone know when the first instance of "bag lining" is? I've been working on a dress in the style of the Bayeux tapestry, and I don't know if I can reasonably bag-line the sleeves -- initially I haven't, but not doing so is really bugging me from a modern "use good sewing techniques" standpoint. Yet I don't know if it's something that would or would not be done in 1066... Thanks for listening to me ramble! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 16:16:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KLGSTh024875 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:16:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KLFT2L021667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLFRQt003603; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLEx1x001846 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DFA00B990; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust174.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.174]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C98D0B946 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:14:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0f6401c4ff35$2e3632f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004301c4fecd$2c2f1390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:15:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To veer slightly from the topic (but not so much, really) does anyone know of a website where I could order some nice thick silk cord? The thickest I've been able to find is 1mm, and I'd like something at least 2mm. Whether I go with the loops idea or not, I'd like something in a strong, shiny natural fiber for lacing up the back, and if I do go with loops, I'll want to use the same cord. (I'm not sure I'm visualizing exactly what you guys were suggesting, but I've thought of a way I could use loops without destroying the overall look... the problem, of course, is that I'll have to redo both buttonhole strips, but that's better than some of my other options!) I could probably stand to use polyester, but the color of the corset is not exactly standard... it's a warm, faded out sort of dark blue, like denim blue but slightly greener, which completely and utterly fails to match the standard navy color. Silk cord in general is available in more colors than poly, and if it's wrong, I'd be able to dye it. Cotton cord wouldn't be strong enough, and linen cord would be too abrasive. Ramie cord might work, but I've never heard of such an animal. Whatever it is, it needs to be able to stand up to a lot of friction and a lot of pulling. I'd prefer something smooth like rattail, but I'd be find with something plyed. Any ideas where I could find something like this? I'll need ~7yds of it. Also, are there any search terms better than 'silk cord' or 'silk rope'? 'Silk cord' is getting me nothing but the too-thin beading cords, and 'silk rope' is getting me nothing but results that offend my sensibilities in oh-so-many ways. What I really want is a real silk version of the faux silk rattail cords, but every result I've gotten from searching for 'silk rattail' or variations thereof has been either faux silk (rayon/cotton) or antique. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 16:26:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KLQq6r025026 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KLPZ2L023100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:25:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLPVSq091526; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:sMeTlpf3nBFQTo4+TNsbRU4Sn4vQt8oQ@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLPR7I090597 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:25:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j0KLPRBf013361 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:27 -0500 Received: from dci012034013182.discovery.com ([12.34.13.182]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55152.12.34.13.182.1106256327.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <0f6401c4ff35$2e3632f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <004301c4fecd$2c2f1390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <0f6401c4ff35$2e3632f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and while you can replace a lacing cord it would be a real pain to replace the loops in front. I suggest ice skate laces. They come in cotton and nylon, and I know the nylon is really easy to dye. Ok, nylon is not natural, but maybe the cotton type would work? -Carol > To veer slightly from the topic (but not so much, really) does anyone know > of a website where I could order some nice thick silk cord? The thickest > I've been able to find is 1mm, and I'd like something at least 2mm. > Whether > I go with the loops idea or not, I'd like something in a strong, shiny > natural fiber for lacing up the back, and if I do go with loops, I'll want > to use the same cord. > > (I'm not sure I'm visualizing exactly what you guys were suggesting, but > I've thought of a way I could use loops without destroying the overall > look... the problem, of course, is that I'll have to redo both buttonhole > strips, but that's better than some of my other options!) > > I could probably stand to use polyester, but the color of the corset is > not > exactly standard... it's a warm, faded out sort of dark blue, like denim > blue but slightly greener, which completely and utterly fails to match the > standard navy color. Silk cord in general is available in more colors than > poly, and if it's wrong, I'd be able to dye it. Cotton cord wouldn't be > strong enough, and linen cord would be too abrasive. Ramie cord might > work, > but I've never heard of such an animal. Whatever it is, it needs to be > able > to stand up to a lot of friction and a lot of pulling. I'd prefer > something > smooth like rattail, but I'd be find with something plyed. Any ideas > where > I could find something like this? I'll need ~7yds of it. > > Also, are there any search terms better than 'silk cord' or 'silk rope'? > 'Silk cord' is getting me nothing but the too-thin beading cords, and > 'silk > rope' is getting me nothing but results that offend my sensibilities in > oh-so-many ways. What I really want is a real silk version of the faux > silk > rattail cords, but every result I've gotten from searching for 'silk > rattail' or variations thereof has been either faux silk (rayon/cotton) or > antique. > > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 16:42:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KLg4ku025296 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:42:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KLeb2L024844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLeSGm026830; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail14.mdx.safepages.com (mail14.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KLeP1n026750 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 76B461ECD10; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:40:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust174.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.174]) by mail14.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 732B11ECCF3 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:40:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0f7601c4ff38$bdb28020$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004301c4fecd$2c2f1390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><0f6401c4ff35$2e3632f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <55152.12.34.13.182.1106256327.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cotton snaps too easily--believe me, I've done it. =} But ooh, I hadn't thought of nylon; that might work. The customer isn't really looking for a reproduction; she wants a nice fashion corset, so the natural fiber element is purely because I'd need to dye it. Thanks for the idea! (But I still really, really want to find some silk cord; if not for this, then for lacing gowns and sleeves shut.) -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: > I suggest ice skate laces. They come in cotton and nylon, and I know > the nylon is really easy to dye. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 17:28:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KMSVjs026016 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:28:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KMRS2L029881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMRMKv066775; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KMRHHk065930 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA9ANBHA4ZDGCJ for (sender ); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhglOvTD6Cxnl2Fd3Ov7de/M8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHTSSFJH; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:10 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:22:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) Message-ID: <20050120.142508.920.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:344192070 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oddly enough, I've found what you're looking for in beading shops. they just called it silk cord. Arlys On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:15:32 -0600 "E House" writes: > To veer slightly from the topic (but not so much, really) does anyone > know > of a website where I could order some nice thick silk cord? The > thickest > I've been able to find is 1mm, and I'd like something at least 2mm. > Whether > I go with the loops idea or not, I'd like something in a strong, > shiny > natural fiber for lacing up the back, and if I do go with loops, > I'll want > to use the same cord. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 17:30:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KMUf9x026068 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:30:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KMTl2L000254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:29:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMTilm075851; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KMRHRw065933 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA9ANBHA6D9CLA for (sender ); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhglOvTD6Cxnl2rNrp0lENcgQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHTSSFJL; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:10 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:23:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) Message-ID: <20050120.142508.920.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:664651811 X-MAIL-INFO: 11672b7b437faa673e43ef4efbbf9b2b9a4e5a9b8a873e9bcfef2ebbf3bb335ed307afbbaacaaa77f7abaed3dbf74aafced3ca4ab38a1a4ab7c3de6a6f6a5b5f9ef3c76a0be70b931ea34b9e6e1ed7c7ba9ee7d7bf33ef7eef07132a07135ef7135ef7bf7f030e1f674bda4b435a3fa7834b87afc373f3736a8bea6a8b1ec78b1e X-DCC-xmailer-Metrics: net.indra.com 1192; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe braided cord, like fingerloop? Arlys On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:40:55 -0600 "E House" writes: > Cotton snaps too easily--believe me, I've done it. =} But ooh, I > hadn't > thought of nylon; that might work. The customer isn't really looking > for a > reproduction; she wants a nice fashion corset, so the natural fiber > element > is purely because I'd need to dye it. Thanks for the idea! > > (But I still really, really want to find some silk cord; if not for > this, > then for lacing gowns and sleeves shut.) > > -E House > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > I suggest ice skate laces. They come in cotton and nylon, and > I know > > the nylon is really easy to dye. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 17:40:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KMeMXO026209 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:40:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KMdZ2L001332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMdVsX003270; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMdGdF003093 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [63.186.1.244] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrkxP-0002vu-6w for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:16 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=p7lkynkaoDcmRnPQLAMvOhV+/c68G6YIGt9GuVRlhdZub+XvpQYp1ereVwNaNrkP; Message-ID: <000b01c4ff40$dbbaf8b0$f401ba3f@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c4ff2e$384b3d50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion print. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:39:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da9401fd5fc35def45effa23a4fa8e58bb834350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.186.1.244 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds smashingly spiffy! Liadain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] fashion print. > Oh i am so happy, my niece tryed the corset and the bodice, and it was > very well. She gets such a beautifull body in this corset, and beautifull > clevage two. > Then i have ben speculating how i could embellish the dress so that the > over and underskirt in same shocking pink would be better noticed. > I looked trough Stella Blums book with fashion prints, and found the > solution. Anglaise dress bordée de Marlborough, wich will say that there > are two green panels inserted in the fronts of the overskirt. The fashion > print has pink anglaise and green panels stitched with bordeaux ribbons. > The underskirt has also a little green insertion with same bordeaux > ribbons. I can do that! > Then the lady is wearing a white fichue with spots in pink. My Seta silk > paint will come in handy here, i shall try to paint the fichu with spots > of pink. > The sleaves ends in white frills, starting over the elbow, looks very > nice. > I shall have a very bad night, i cant sleep because i cant wait to start > it tomorrow. > The print is on page 43 in Stella Blums book. > Hurrah, how lucky i looked in that book......... > Sorry about this but i am so excited! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 17:52:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KMqvso026399 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KMq82L002591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMq1hX029775; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KMpwWo029564 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F3B67BA3F; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:51:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust174.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.174]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B7A9B916 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0f8401c4ff42$b629e5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050120.142508.920.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord (was: buttonhole finishes) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:52:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking for something smooth--I've been using braided cord, and I'm just not entirely happy with it. There are too many highly detailed paintings showing smooth cord for me to be sure it's just an artistic convention... Are you sure what you're finding at beading supply shops is 100% silk? All I've seen from them is either imitation silk (rayon w/cotton filling) or too-thin plyed silk. If it is 100% silk, wherewherewhere?! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 18:06:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KN64HN026586 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KN5C2L003979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KN55Bq039575; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailout.whidbey.net (mailout.whidbey.net [209.166.64.124]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KN53kF039416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from andie@whidbey.com) Received: from [209.166.87.37] (helo=[209.166.87.37]) by mail1.whidbey.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CrlMD-000756-Sk for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:04:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41F039C2.2060107@whidbey.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:07:46 -0800 From: Andrea McElwain User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord References: <20050120.142508.920.2.Cley@juno.com> <0f8401c4ff42$b629e5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0f8401c4ff42$b629e5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > I'm looking for something smooth--I've been using braided cord, and > I'm just not entirely happy with it. There are too many highly > detailed paintings showing smooth cord for me to be sure it's just an > artistic convention... > > Are you sure what you're finding at beading supply shops is 100% silk? > All I've seen from them is either imitation silk (rayon w/cotton > filling) or too-thin plyed silk. If it is 100% silk, wherewherewhere?! > > -E House The silk cord at beading shops is probably this: http://www.firemountaingems.com/details.asp?PN=H141607BS It's actually a tube of silk fabric sewn down its length. As a matter of fact, I'm using some of this to lace my new 1480s Florentine, just because it was the best thing I happened to have on hand. -- Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 18:11:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KNBH1i026665 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:11:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KNAg2L004901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KNAbxR044770; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:10:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KNAYut044712 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 23D9D1BCAD8; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:10:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust174.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.174]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B70491BCAE4 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <0f9001c4ff45$5529b700$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050120.142508.920.2.Cley@juno.com><0f8401c4ff42$b629e5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41F039C2.2060107@whidbey.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:11:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ahh, that--cool, but not what I'm hoping to find. Thanks for the visual! -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea McElwain" > The silk cord at beading shops is probably this: > > http://www.firemountaingems.com/details.asp?PN=H141607BS _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 18:26:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0KNQgSD026912 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KNPj2L006304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0KNPefO071952; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0KNOmmb070266 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-10026); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:24:39 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:24:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050120150116.00d78690@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:24:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1B53@wcosmb01.cos.agil ent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/674/Tue Jan 18 13:27:28 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:14 PM 1/20/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, does anyone know when lining garments came into widespread practice? >All the pictures I've seen of the Greenland garments and in _Textiles >and Clothing: Medieval Finds from Excavations in London, c.1150-c.1450_ >are unlined. [snip] (It's always possible that >my understanding of the Greenland garments is incomplete -- I haven't >gotten _Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland" yet.) > >[snip].. > >Thanks for listening to me ramble! > -sunny I have read Woven Into the Earth (more than once, now; yes, I'm somewhat fanatic on early textiles ). Unfortunately, the conditions in soils in the Greenland settlements do not allow for the survival of linen (or fur or skeletons, for that matter) in any quantity. The surviving garments are nearly all wool. Since one of the linen fragments survived by being sewn to a vadmal (woolen) garment, if the woolen garments had been lined, one would expect to find some indication of the lining. None is reported. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 19:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L0k7Ip028164 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:46:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L0iw2L014234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:44:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L0ihec099665; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51304.mail.yahoo.com (web51304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0L0idrG099573 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65029 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2005 00:44:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C6TeyfY9gF0YRWDyEcV7AyrNOAHd1wZtxb8SIXcC7KCS1zp8/Ubt4aI7vbaT086wCayBp3FzVQ0zobevbVfEiSepyhtkRV04DXYL+41N3BNT9Sh3w7Gbo4cvmWH+OncZ6ACFJQCbT8CRd0SDT2zZoUKJfqAjXgNWsWsHPJXeFjk= ; Message-ID: <20050121004433.65027.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.78] by web51304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:44:33 PST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:44:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002701c4fef3$30737ec0$765183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lyme disease - was re: OT: cleaning fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > And one of the warning signs for Lime Disease (the > bulls eye). > Kathleen Lyme disease actually, named after some towns in Connecticut (Old Lyme, Hadlyme, etc.) About 50% of cases get the bullseye rash. You must be cautious of ticks from most animals around here in Connecticut, as birds and mammals, not to mention the occasional grass stem, have the tiny deer ticks. And lyme disease can affect joints in some of its milder manifestions, enough to make sewing quite a pain. Also dressing. Clothing: wear light colored clothing when hiking, so you can find the ticks afterwards more easily. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 20:08:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L18Wk9028574 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:08:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L17n2L016092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L17ht4011685; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L17WCh011563 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29300 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:18:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:18:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1B53@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > Hi, does anyone know when lining garments came into widespread > practice? All the pictures I've seen of the Greenland garments and in > _Textiles and Clothing: Medieval Finds from Excavations in London, > c.1150-c.1450_ are unlined. Yet nearly everything in Arnold's > _Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and > Women C1560-1620_ is lined to some extent. I remember from Robin's > lecture that lining the gothic fitted dress is very important to the > structure of the garment -- do we have any archeological evidence that > the gothic fitted dresses _were_ lined? Since we don't have any extant GFDs, there's no archaeological evidence about them at all! The Greenland gowns are not fitted garments, and certainly not GFDs. (Although they come from about 1400, they structurally have more in common with the cut of garments of maybe 1330-1350 on the mainland, with some deviations that may be unique to Greenland.) Someone else asked me about this just a few days ago, in almost exactly the same words as above. Here's what I wrote her (including key bits of her questions to me; I don't think she'll mind my reprinting here). This also touches on Joan's additional questions about text and art sources, and about bag lining. -----the quote starts here----- > I am confused about the lining though. I was under the impression > from the Museum of London Textiles and Clothing book that the garment > fragments they found were woolens that had been faced with tabby woven > silk... This is a common question. There are several things to bear in mind here. First, the MoL fragments represent, essentially, trash and lost items that landed in the Thames. It's highly unlikely that many, or any, of these come from expensive body garments worn by the nobility and wealthy middle class. There are identifiable pieces of hoods, an occasional torn-off sleeve, etc., but when you consider the sorts of things that would have been most likely discarded or lost, you're far more likely to be looking at a child's cloak, a shop apron, a piece of sacking, or a rag than part of an upper-class body garment. Second, archaeological finds generally are incomplete. The soil conditions that preserve wool and silk (protein fibers) generally dissolve linen (plant fibers). Wool pieces will be found intact with their seams undone, because the linen thread that held them together vanished without a trace. You can tell something from stitch holes and wear patterns, but in many cases, particularly fragments, it's impossible to tell if a garment was lined. Third, not all garments were lined, and not all that were lined were necessarily fully lined. So the absence of lining on a sleeve tells us nothing about the body, for example, and the absence of lining on a hood tells us nothing about the gown worn with it. For this sort of information, we can't rely only on the archaeological record to get a full picture. If you look at documentary sources, the picture is quite different. In inventories, tailors' orders, wills, maintenance agreements, and other documents that list details or materials of clothing, you'll find references to linings of various materials and in various circumstances. My own familiarity with this is limited to specific quotations about linings from certain documents, but other researchers who spend more time with documents (e.g. those studying trade or economics, or translating wills and inventories) have commented that linings begin appearing with some regularity in the 14th century, becoming much more common by the end of the century. One speculation is that this is related to climate change, which might be a factor, but even without that it's easy enough to see the increased use of linings as another facet of the massive changes in fashion and increased embellishment and complexity in garment construction that occur during this century. What does seem clear is that while many garments would not have been lined, linings can be practically taken for granted in the more expensive, better-made body garments of the nobility and prosperous middle class. Documents suggest linen as a standout lining fabric for routine use, silk for the royalty and very wealthy. And I've even seen references to wool gowns lined in wool for church dependants -- who received only sufficient supplies to meet basic needs, including an allotment of a single gown every year or two. So linings for body garments eventually became common enough to be considered a basic requirement for warmth and durability. And this doesn't even touch on the use of fur linings, which have been documented extensively. They would have been used in some cases on the basic gown, and extensively on the overgown worn over the basic gown (which in turn goes over a linen chemise to make the standard set of layers). ... A final source of supporting clues comes from artwork. Flipped-up edges aren't necessarily telling in earlier art works, where color contrast would likely be used to show different surfaces regardless of actual color in life. However, by the 14th and 15th centuries, there are plenty of examples of more realistic images of garments with visible patterned, furred, or textured inner surfaces. So I wouldn't read too much into the lack of extant linings in a small sample of cloth bits dragged out of the Thames. The MoL books are highly useful for what they provide, but it can be misleading to extrapolate too far. (Plus, as one of the London authors said to me, "You wouldn't believe how many kites we're flying in these books. We can only guess on what half of this stuff is.") > ... Are your gowns flatlined or lined by making two of the same and > then sewing them together? ... I frankly don't know how lining was done in period. The few examples we have of medieval lined garments (not archaeological finds, but things like religious relics and preserved royal garments) have not, to my knowledge, been properly written up to tell us which order the seams were done in, so I have no clue what of the several possible lining methods were used in the period. However, I do what some people today would call a bag lining. ... I fit the lining first as a complete dress (without sleeves), and then use the resulting pieces as a template for the outer layer. Then assemble all and tweak to account for differences in stretch between inner and outer fabrics. This makes it very easy to do the fitting, because you don't have to turn anything inside out -- the lining is going to have the seams away from the body. It also means you can do useful things like patch or correct errors in the lining layer during the fitting process, or cut the outer fabric to use fewer gores. The strong linen lining also takes most of the stress from supporting and manipulating the body, and the stretchier wool then glides over it, molding into shape and hiding the stress lines that would be evident on the linen alone. -----the quote ends here----- Joan also wrote: > I know that there are a couple textural references to lining (I don't > know how extensive these references are -- I can think of one off-hand > from _A Medieval Book of Seasons_)... I have that book, but I don't know the reference. Can you point me to it, please? To this I'll add, for purposes of this group: You'll find some of those textual references to lining in "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince" by Newton. Another nice source is "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," which is not specifically about costume, but includes some nice costume references from documents. I believe this is the book in which I saw that church maintenance agreement that specified wool gowns lined with wool for dependents. In this case, IIRC, it was an older married couple who had given their land and goods to the church in exchange for support till their death. As part of their allotment, the husband received a new gown of russet (undyed wool from a black sheep) lined with blanket (undyed white wool) each year, while the wife was allowed a gown of bluett (wool dyed blue, the cheapest dyed cloth) lined with blanket -- but she got one only every other year, because the dyed cloth was more expensive. Such a wonderful citation, as it also tells us that russet was preferred to blanket, and dyed cloth to undyed -- something borne out by the prices Dyer cites for all three types of cloth. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 20:51:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L1pfSv029284 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:51:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L1oZ2L019063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L1oJLM033812; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L1nYUR033401 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m176.in-tch.com [216.166.191.176]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0L1kfI07305 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:46:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F060D6.2050501@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:54:30 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk lacing cord References: <004301c4fecd$2c2f1390$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><0f6401c4ff35$2e3632f0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <55152.12.34.13.182.1106256327.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <0f7601c4ff38$bdb28020$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <0f7601c4ff38$bdb28020$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Might I suggest finger-loop braid, or lucet? Those can both be used to produce sturdy cords, and you can make them of whatever yarn/string you like.... --sue E House wrote: > Cotton snaps too easily--believe me, I've done it. =} But ooh, I > hadn't thought of nylon; that might work. The customer isn't really > looking for a reproduction; she wants a nice fashion corset, so the > natural fiber element is purely because I'd need to dye it. Thanks for > the idea! > > (But I still really, really want to find some silk cord; if not for > this, then for lacing gowns and sleeves shut.) > > -E House > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > >> I suggest ice skate laces. They come in cotton and nylon, and I know >> the nylon is really easy to dye. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 20:56:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L1uUu6029364 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L1tu2L019491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L1tqDp036884; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L1tRvm036600 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m176.in-tch.com [216.166.191.176]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0L1qaI08935 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:52:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F06239.5020206@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:00:25 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining & bag lining References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Robin! This post is definitely a keeper! --sue Robin wrote: > Someone else asked me about this just a few days ago, in almost exactly > the same words as above. Here's what I wrote her (including key bits of > her questions to me; I don't think she'll mind my reprinting here). This > also touches on Joan's additional questions about text and art sources, > and about bag lining. > > -----the quote starts here----- > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 23:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L4CaDR030781 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:12:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L4BN2L029242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L4BAAW005139; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L4B8Zx005113 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09E4369EF for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p369.socket.net [64.85.215.115]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D2E46C49C for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11:05 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] buttonhole finishes Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41EF93F3.1070900@telenet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well better the cotton then the polyester. Somewhere I read that someone made an outfit as close to authentic as was possible. She had wrote that she used cotton velvet because it was closer to the weight and drape of 1500s silk velvet. It was a gorgeous red and gold dress. De -----Original Message----- And you can use them on the cotton velvet - another thing we ended up using a lot, even though we felt sorry for the actors wearing this in July! Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 20 23:56:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L4umHE030903 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L4u72L001884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L4u3sN024641; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L4u2KX024634 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AC73667C for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:56:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p369.socket.net [64.85.215.115]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D424CC498 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lyme disease - was re: OT: cleaning fake fur Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:56:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050121004433.65027.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I get these confused, bear with me. Dark colored materials tend to attract mosquitoes or ticks. light colored materials attract mosquitoes or ticks. Mosquitoes are the dive bombers. Ticks are the kamikazes. Basically ticks like to clime up things and drop down on their victims. One recommendation from an avid outdoors man. "ticks and mosquitoes are attracted to sweet blood (that's a slang description) so if you go out hiking, avoid eating sweets 24 hrs before ya go" Of coarse he recommended some other stuff for tick and mosquitoes "repellents" besides the bug spray. Lyme disease was named after Lyme, Connecticut where it first came to the doctors' attention, I think sometime in the 70s. Lyme disease is believe to have migrated from Europe were there is a disease that matches the Lyme disease, in medical journals all the way back to 1900s. Lyme disease carriers are the deer tick. Symptoms are swelling of the joints similar to arthritis. 75% of those who have been infected with Lyme will have a rash appear, usually in a bull's eye pattern and warm to touch 3 - 30 days after the bit, followed by fever, flu like symptoms and achy joints. treatment is antibiotics. De -----Original Message----- > And one of the warning signs for Lime Disease (the > bulls eye). > Kathleen Lyme disease actually, named after some towns in Connecticut (Old Lyme, Hadlyme, etc.) About 50% of cases get the bullseye rash. You must be cautious of ticks from most animals around here in Connecticut, as birds and mammals, not to mention the occasional grass stem, have the tiny deer ticks. And lyme disease can affect joints in some of its milder manifestions, enough to make sewing quite a pain. Also dressing. Clothing: wear light colored clothing when hiking, so you can find the ticks afterwards more easily. Ann in CT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 00:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L5LB1c031005 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L5JW2L002996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L5JJDL034071; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L5JD6W034017 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CrrCS-0001NN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:19:13 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050120225616.03238ec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:08:46 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501200855.j0K8tF8M089192@net.indra.com> References: <200501200855.j0K8tF8M089192@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Stephen, My husband's grandmother could do that, too. There are family stories of how she made her 3 daughter's wedding dresses - since they couldn't afford to buy one in the store, she would look at dresses in the stores and in magazines, then make up whichever one they wanted from the picture. Also, there was a close friend's family, who was also not so well off, who had just bought a first communion dress for their daughter after saving a long time for it. Then, the girl's sister (very close in age) became ill and died. The only thing they had to bury her in was the new communion dress. Needless to say, the girl was doubly sad - her sister died, and she had to give up her new dress. Pierre's grandmother looked at the dress for about 15 minutes - while appearing to pray by the coffin. Then she made a copy of it and gave it to the little girl. She was a wonderful woman who came to the U.S. from Sicily when she was about 15 or 16, before WW I. Her daughters all sewed, but none of them got the creation gene. Me - I'm slightly left/right dyslexic, and hate patterning and fitting - hubby does most of that. I'm good at technical sewing, and figuring out what goes where. Sandy At 02:55 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:26:04 -0800 >From: Stephen Bergdahl > >Ok, it's not just me. I have spent years pounding my head against the >wall, because I can look at a garment and then just draft a pattern. >And I just could not figure out that why everyone else didn't just do >the same. My wife on more than one occasion has come home to find me >finishing up her a new work outfit, and asked where I got the pattern, >only to be meet with a blank stare, and what pattern. I just thought >that everyone could do that. > >Stephen "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 04:43:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0L9htW5007173 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:43:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0L9ff2L015323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L9fNkh041250; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:41:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0L9fF1m041127 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fce.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.206]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 02D775EE0B3 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:40:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c4ff9d$549b9fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:41:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linnen and bag lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi My 2 cents with the greenland finds also are that they braught with them sheeps and was able to make wool, flax could not grow in Greenland and they rarely got visitors from Norway. It is very far from Europe and therefore my guess would be that they could not line their garments with linen. They had to stick to what they had, wool. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 05:05:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LA56Bp015001 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:05:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LA3F2L016202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LA3BPo050958; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LA319j050845 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:02:52 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792738@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? thread-index: AcT/I3edfpQbZFL4Qn2+W2Vu/AjxMwAfJCkQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmmm... I have a vague memory form reading something (one of the Janet Arnold books perhaps) of a period fake fur on a surviving garment that was a non-natural colour (possibly red) I only rememebr it because I shuddered at the time at the thought of a period version of "fun fur" being used on garments. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 05:13:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LADBbi016019 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LABO2L016944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LABLnQ054583; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:11:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LABGAg054541 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:11:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? thread-index: AcT/I3edfpQbZFL4Qn2+W2Vu/AjxMwAfbSCw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, > but there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, > namely silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's > created, whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a > sewn rug. > > If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* > silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being > portrayed is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome > means I can't remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I > _think_ it was Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental > cross-index know what garment I'm talking about and where to find it? That's it! That's the stuff I rememebr (though I don't rememebr if it's silk or wool shag... whatever- it reads as "fake fur in non-natural (for fur) colours" to me. QEWU, perhaps....? I'm pretty sure it's in an Arnold book.. or article. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 05:20:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LAKOJn017144 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:20:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LAIZ2L017424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LAIWrA057587; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LAIVBS057579 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:18:25 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273B@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... thread-index: AcT/I3edfpQbZFL4Qn2+W2Vu/AjxMwAfmZTg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Teddy, obviously you have to move to the States, where we still measure > fabric in yards, and recipes use pounds and pints. Hmmm.. might be a bit of a long commute to work from there.... not to mention swapping all the things I don't liek about England, for all the things I wouldn't like about America. > But I believe our cups > and spoons vary slighly from yours -- in fact, an English friend kindly > sent me a set of British measuring cups and spoons to go with an old > British recipe book. I should check and see if they're actually different. They are different - a friend was recently sent a set of American ones so she could follow American recipes without the need for complicated conversions/ Though I understand that the American recipe obsession for measuring everything in "cup" even if it's something that doesn't neatly or easily *fit* in a cup is a source of some amusement to people I know who cook and bake (not me, can assist under direction from a cook and I am a demon at hte washing up but I'm not a cook). Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 05:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LAqUgC028963 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LAoV2L019207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LAoOjs071277; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LAoM97070999 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0LAnk223347.; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:46 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:46 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:30 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, our recipes expect you to weigh dry ingredients. Modern ones give both metric and imperial units (and warn you not to mix them). I have an American recipe booklet from the Quaker Oats company, reissued in the UK with the explanation that a "cup" is 8 fl. oz. and giving the weight of a cup of butter. I use a pint measuring jug which has fl. oz. markings. Kate Bunting (who learned science in metric but still thinks in imperial.) >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 21/01/2005 10:18:25 >>> >Though I understand that the American recipe obsession for measuring >everything in "cup" even if it's something that doesn't neatly or easily >*fit* in a cup is a source of some amusement to people ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 09:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LE2FZ6004421 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LE1Q2L013970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LE1FJ0065384; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51308.mail.yahoo.com (web51308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LE1DbS065315 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65908 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2005 14:01:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GfvVeIsKCDMMBGpFjCDAfhM18GuxtSOtYi4Cy2PSyKy/ivbI/+nO/qWPLKgnfn/oMS0YZyLKvhM9JlSGKhzctUYiIFdVmtIiVWhqw0nZfBKx8++X97+8W4LBS0Pb3hKonezC+eua+57GDRXNEA5KS50besusU6NWoXudDIIkFho= ; Message-ID: <20050121140107.65906.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.19] by web51308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:01:07 PST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lyme disease - was re: OT: cleaning fake fur To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Basically, deer ticks are dark, so they show up against light colored clothing more easily. Your chances of catching Lyme disease are very small if the tick does not have time to imbed itself in your skin. And you need all the help you can get to find an insect somewhere between the size of a period (.) and an 'o'. My sister's Lyme disease had no bullseye; her first symptoms were painful joints, & the doctors diagnosed Lyme by ruling out everything else. She had to go on several courses of antibiotics to cure it. Some unfortunate people's first symptoms are damaged hearts. Lyme, CT, also Old Lyme, Hadlyme, East Lyme, etc. all in the same area. Ann in CT --- otsisto wrote: > I get these confused, bear with me. light colored > materials attract mosquitoes or ticks. > Basically ticks like to clime up things and drop > down on their victims. > Lyme disease carriers are the deer tick. > De > > Clothing: wear light colored clothing when hiking, > so you can find the ticks afterwards more easily. > > Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 09:25:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LEPlIK004638 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LEOm2L015370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:24:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LEOhxc078574; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LEOeOM078524 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:24:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-5859); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:24:37 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:24:35 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050121061920.00d7d860@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:24:25 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen and bag lining In-Reply-To: <001a01c4ff9d$549b9fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:41 AM 1/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi >My 2 cents with the greenland finds also are that they braught with them >sheeps and was able to make wool, flax could not grow in Greenland and >they rarely got visitors from Norway. It is very far from Europe and >therefore my guess would be that they could not line their garments with >linen. They had to stick to what they had, wool. > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ Actually, there are finds that seem to be flax-processing equipment and there are a few finds of linen fragments. When the Norse initially colonized Greenland the climate there was more like parts of Sweden or Norway where flax can be (and has been) grown. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 09:30:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LEUEsW004704 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:30:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LETR2L015649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LETQBr081167; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LETOwB081131 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0LEQYI08972 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:26:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F112EF.5030501@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:34:23 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The brown one, as I think of it. _Patterns of Fashion, 1580-1620_. Dunno if it's also in QEUnlocked--I've got that one, too, but no time to look it up this morning. --Sue Teddy wrote: >>I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, >>but there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, >>namely silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's >>created, whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a >>sewn rug. >> >>If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* >>silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being >>portrayed is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome >>means I can't remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I >>_think_ it was Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental >>cross-index know what garment I'm talking about and where to find it? > > > That's it! That's the stuff I rememebr (though I don't rememebr if > it's silk or wool shag... whatever- it reads as "fake fur in non-natural > (for fur) colours" to me. > > QEWU, perhaps....? I'm pretty sure it's in an Arnold book.. or article. > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 09:31:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LEVgHm004709 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:31:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LEUw2L015766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:30:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LEUtHk082047; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LEUsfm082031 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B6B361F2 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:30:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p385.socket.net [64.85.215.131]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1322AD411 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:30:52 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most if not all Pyrex measuring cups have both metric and standard measurements on them. What you call imperial measurements or units, here I have heard it refered to as "standard". De -----Original Message----- Yes, our recipes expect you to weigh dry ingredients. Modern ones give both metric and imperial units (and warn you not to mix them). I have an American recipe booklet from the Quaker Oats company, reissued in the UK with the explanation that a "cup" is 8 fl. oz. and giving the weight of a cup of butter. I use a pint measuring jug which has fl. oz. markings. Kate Bunting (who learned science in metric but still thinks in imperial.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LF2PHg004885 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LF1f2L018073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LF1WBs000459; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:01:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LF1THE000408 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:01:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-14141); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:28 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <41F112EF.5030501@in-tch.com> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are several references to night-gowns and loose gowns lined with silk shag in QEWU (pg. 139 et seq.). And figure 225 shows the inside of a loose gown lined with grey silk shag (c. 1605-15). There is even a reference on page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned with shagge." The pink silk shag that has been referred to is the lining of Jane Lambarde's crimson velvet mantle (decorated with silver and gold bobbin lace with silver spangles!), c. 1600-28; there is a portrait of Jane Lambarde wearing the mantle. These are in QEWU on page 321, figures 414 and 415. I wouldn't recommend that inexpensive fake fur be used to get the look of shag, though. To get the right look you will probably need the high end stuff. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 07:34 AM 1/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >The brown one, as I think of it. _Patterns of Fashion, 1580-1620_. Dunno >if it's also in QEUnlocked--I've got that one, too, but no time to look it >up this morning. >--Sue > >Teddy wrote: > >>>I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, but >>>there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, namely >>>silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's created, >>>whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a sewn rug. >>> >>>If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* >>>silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being >>>portrayed is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome >>>means I can't remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I >>>_think_ it was Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental >>>cross-index know what garment I'm talking about and where to find it? >> >>That's it! That's the stuff I rememebr (though I don't rememebr if >>it's silk or wool shag... whatever- it reads as "fake fur in non-natural >>(for fur) colours" to me. >>QEWU, perhaps....? I'm pretty sure it's in an Arnold book.. or article. >>Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:19:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LFJCIf004993 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LFIe2L019626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:18:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFIaEq012618; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFIVWZ012474 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0LFILkS012478 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:18:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050121100852.0bccabc0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:18:01 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <200501211011.j0LABltL054774@net.indra.com> References: <200501211011.j0LABltL054774@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:11:14 +0000, Teddy responded: > > but there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, > > namely silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's > > created, whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a > > sewn rug. > > > > If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* > > silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being > > portrayed is wearing the same mantle... > >That's it! That's the stuff I rememebr (though I don't rememebr if >it's silk or wool shag... whatever- it reads as "fake fur in non-natural >(for fur) colours" to me. > >QEWU, perhaps....? I'm pretty sure it's in an Arnold book.. or article. Hmm... I *thought* it was the Verney robe in PoF (#37, described p. 98, pattern p. 100), but going back to that, I get: "A rich purple silk damask loose gown with hanging sleeves, lined with deep grey silk shag, now faded. By tradition this was worn, together with matching nightcap and slippers, by Sir Francis Verney who died in 1615 at Messina." Grey lining, not pink, for this one. B/W Photos of the gown may be found on p. 38, items 267-271. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LFcDmp005135 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LFbH2L021315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFbEun025505; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFTIt6019615 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.78] (p14.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.78]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0LFRcv16786 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:27:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20050121140107.65906.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050121140107.65906.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C5B18FE-6BC2-11D9-A694-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:35:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movie The Advocate X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I rented an old dvd movie called the Advocate and watched it last night. If you all discussed it when it came out in 2000 and want to ignore this, fine, but if anyone specializes in this period of history, the 1400s, I was wondering what you thought of the costumes. You don't see many movies from this period and I thought the clothing looked quite accurate. A good movie too. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LFo4oN005270 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LFnL2L022502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFnHOv034165; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFnCTs034073 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:49:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02930 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:00:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:59:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie The Advocate In-Reply-To: <1C5B18FE-6BC2-11D9-A694-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I rented an old dvd movie called the Advocate and watched it last > night. If you all discussed it when it came out in 2000 and want to > ignore this, fine, but if anyone specializes in this period of > history, the 1400s, I was wondering what you thought of the costumes. > You don't see many movies from this period and I thought the clothing > looked quite accurate. A good movie too. Definitely a good movie, but the only costume I can remember is the one that stood out to me as horrid -- the V-necked dress worn by the rich girl, which screamed "stage costume." I have the vague memory that most of the others were better, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:52:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LFqqGU005311 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:52:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LFq22L022884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFq1pb036391; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.120]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LFpxDC036296 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27571 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2005 15:51:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=g5RCD5vse91rAiqFyJj8AFts9iHy/hlgLIYVBrruTdwx0GrSn5vbmyKtkeSEeAhP2oTF532S/cw9uKKtEoOkJobK2myy3+pV54meRsGvTgerufLK1dg9VaacL8XU/aNCCOXs3idXms/M41YqAVCzU64UDE8xgHEe4oo6u/bWAAQ= ; Message-ID: <20050121155153.27569.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:51:53 PST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050120225616.03238ec0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wish I were so cursed ;) Sandy, I have the same problem as you. I am looking forward to Lunacon and seeing what marvelous creations you've been working on. Best of Regards, Chris G Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Stephen, My husband's grandmother could do that, too. There are family stories of how she made her 3 daughter's wedding dresses - since they couldn't afford to buy one in the store, she would look at dresses in the stores and in magazines, then make up whichever one they wanted from the picture. Also, there was a close friend's family, who was also not so well off, who had just bought a first communion dress for their daughter after saving a long time for it. Then, the girl's sister (very close in age) became ill and died. The only thing they had to bury her in was the new communion dress. Needless to say, the girl was doubly sad - her sister died, and she had to give up her new dress. Pierre's grandmother looked at the dress for about 15 minutes - while appearing to pray by the coffin. Then she made a copy of it and gave it to the little girl. She was a wonderful woman who came to the U.S. from Sicily when she was about 15 or 16, before WW I. Her daughters all sewed, but none of them got the creation gene. Me - I'm slightly left/right dyslexic, and hate patterning and fitting - hubby does most of that. I'm good at technical sewing, and figuring out what goes where. Sandy At 02:55 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:26:04 -0800 >From: Stephen Bergdahl > >Ok, it's not just me. I have spent years pounding my head against the >wall, because I can look at a garment and then just draft a pattern. >And I just could not figure out that why everyone else didn't just do >the same. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 10:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LFu62M005350 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:56:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LFsr2L023162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:54:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFsnr5038436; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:54:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LFsllY038331 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0LFsek11785 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:54:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:54:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, One of the garments at the Albert Bonno Museum in Chelles has a stole/ mantle of linen that has a pile woven in. The pile was about 1" long and fairly sparse, which could be due to age related deterioration. The garment is circa 650 and is attributed to Bertille (or was it Bathilde...too early/before coffee) Althea On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 02:11 AM, Teddy wrote: > >> I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, >> but there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, >> namely silk shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's >> created, whether it's woven in or added later like constructing a >> sewn rug. >> >> If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* >> silk shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being >> portrayed is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome >> means I can't remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I >> _think_ it was Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental >> cross-index know what garment I'm talking about and where to find it? > > That's it! That's the stuff I rememebr (though I don't rememebr if > it's silk or wool shag... whatever- it reads as "fake fur in > non-natural > (for fur) colours" to me. > > QEWU, perhaps....? I'm pretty sure it's in an Arnold book.. or > article. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 11:20:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LGKonA006276 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LGHI2L025357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LGH94Z055187; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LGGnlK054895 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 19491 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 16:16:54 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:16:54 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:16:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1069.24.4.69.40.1106324207.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <1C5B18FE-6BC2-11D9-A694-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> References: <20050121140107.65906.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> <1C5B18FE-6BC2-11D9-A694-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:16:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie The Advocate From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I rented an old dvd movie called the Advocate and watched it last > night. If you all discussed it when it came out in 2000 and want to > ignore this, fine, but if anyone specializes in this period of history, > the 1400s, I was wondering what you thought of the costumes. You don't > see many movies from this period and I thought the clothing looked > quite accurate. A good movie too. > > Sylrog This era is not my forte but I remember the men's costumes being very good. I agree with Robin that the girl's dress was not quite right, but in general this movie had good costuming. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 12:54:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LHseKl011272 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LHrr2L006690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:53:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LHrUQa037926; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LHrSvc037848 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.133]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050121175322.GPRR1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:47:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" SNIP > There is even a reference on > page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned > with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned > with shagge." Hmmm, so what you are saying is that big furry,fluffy slippers are period? ;-) Sheridan -who now has images of lovely Elizabethan gowns with pink bunny slippers going through my head.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 13:10:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LIA4AU011382 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:10:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LI9K2L008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LI9Bm8050336; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:09:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LI97Ox050236 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.164.133]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050121180901.YRQG1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:09:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing something really fiddly. Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... > Yes, our recipes expect you to weigh dry ingredients. Modern ones give > both metric and imperial units (and warn you not to mix them). I have an > American recipe booklet from the Quaker Oats company, reissued in the UK > with the explanation that a "cup" is 8 fl. oz. and giving the weight of > a cup of butter. I use a pint measuring jug which has fl. oz. markings. > > Kate Bunting (who learned science in metric but still thinks in > imperial.) > > >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 21/01/2005 10:18:25 >>> > > >Though I understand that the American recipe obsession for measuring > >everything in "cup" even if it's something that doesn't neatly or > easily > >*fit* in a cup is a source of some amusement to people > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 13:21:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LILfNR011443 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LIL12L009939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIKvhW059797; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LIKnYg059629 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 18:20:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050121181335.014966e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:18:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... In-Reply-To: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:03 21/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. > >Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' >Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' >Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) > >Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at >home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and >forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the >meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing >something really fiddly. Sorry Sheridan, you've got the Englishman man wrong. It's "Well, you go past the "George and Dragon" (pub name) turn left and drive on till you get to the "King's Head" (pub name.................) etc. And by the way, just to be really pedantic, we don't measure that kind of distances in kilometres......yet, thank goodness - they are still in miles. And I measure like you (secretly I still use Imperial, but I'm afraid the metric police will come knocking one day and accuse me of buying a pound of mushrooms "That should be 500grams, Madam!!" Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 13:22:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LIMwG7011449 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:22:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LIMM2L010087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIMKMr060942; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:22:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIMF2g060768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-32.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.32] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1Cs3MY-0006tm-70 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:18:29 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:21:57 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <002401c4ffe6$1bd9dc40$206453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200501211758.j0LHvqoC041157@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 46 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In response to Sylrog's question about "The Advocate", Diana wrote: <> That's a pretty good assessment, Diana. And as Robin said, the lord's daughter's outfit is completely bad theatre costuming. Especially when she drops it all in one piece! ;) The men's clothing is definitely better than the women's. And the poor women's clothing is often ridiculously bad and misinformed (see the "witch" and the "prostitute" for the best examples of the worst costuming). And the Gypsies' outfit really scream the result someone's tie-dyed night terrors . But I particularly like the way the Gypsies are portrayed. And Jewish people. The writers seem to have gotten the feel of 15thc France down a lot more accurately than the costumer designers. Colin Firth's outfits are pretty good if you don't look too closely. And I particularly applaud the costuming staff for the fact that even the rich family only change their clothing when the seasons change (as evidenced by the big festival). While Colin Firth's character wears different clothing when he's in court as opposed to when he's at home or at the Lord's house, he doesn't have multiple outfits of the same style that he wears on subsequent days. And even the Lord wears the same brocade gown for most of the movie. This really impressed me. I like the movie so much that I own it. But I'd never base an outfit on anything in it. It's got serious problems. But that being said, it is probably one of the best medieval movies for costuming. Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 13:40:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LIejOo011548 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LIdh2L012037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIdbko075190; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LIcTV8074334 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-12870); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:29 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050121103637.00d73a00@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Uh...no. They are merely lined with shag, not made of it. Joan At 12:47 PM 1/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joan Jurancich" > >SNIP > > > There is even a reference on > > page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned > > with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned > > with shagge." > >Hmmm, so what you are saying is that big furry,fluffy slippers are period? >;-) > >Sheridan >-who now has images of lovely Elizabethan gowns with pink bunny slippers >going through my head.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 14:01:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LJ11UG011693 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LJ042L014664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIxrsp092571; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LIxk41092460 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:58:08 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:57:45 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been having so much fun reading all of the emails from this site. Not only do I learn all sorts of stuff about patterns, knitting, and fur. But now I have example of the metric system for my chemistry students here in Texas as to why knowing this system is important in more than chemistry. I do have to admit I rarely use the metric system except in school, but it is still useful to students to be more than just familiar with the names of the units. I need to say thank you to several people who have sent me sites for patterns and fabrics. The more I read your site the more I learn. Again thanks theresa >>> ladyadele@paradise.net.nz 1/20/2005 1:41:40 PM >>> Teddy wrote: >>I say the same here, but then again, i cant get used to the >>meassures with inches. I was educated with cm. >> >> > >I was educated in metric too (ddin't start school until after the change >to metric took place) but still think in the old "imperial" >measurements. > > > Would you believe I use Imperial measure when sewing, but work out fabric requirements in metres? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 14:11:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LJBlgY011801 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:11:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LJAw2L015928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LJAsfe001296; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LJ6eQg097937 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.93]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050121190635.BYDO1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:06:35 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c4ffeb$81b5f6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Forged Memling X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just found this, thought folks here would be interested: http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/01/20/Arts/flemishfake0 50120.html Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 14:38:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LJcOva012039 for ; 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Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F159F4.6090905@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:37:24 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling References: <004601c4ffeb$81b5f6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <004601c4ffeb$81b5f6c0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/676/Thu Jan 20 11:25:54 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Just found this, thought folks here would be interested: > > > http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/01/20/Arts/flemishfake0 > 50120.html For anyone who can't jet off to read the article immediately, it doesn't appear to be one of the ones we see a lot; it's been in the hands of a private collector since the 60s. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Well, there was a black pit of despair there for a while, but I managed to climb out of that into a grey vale of sorrow. -- Rufinia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 14:55:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LJtQ25012289 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:55:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LJsO2L021029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LJsJdO035772; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LJsG4Y035730 for ; 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Can you point me to it, > please? I'll have to go look it up -- I know it was something about humors -- but in my mind I have it filed under "Medieval health recommendations: If allergic to wool, line it with linen" and I _know_ it wasn't phrased that way in the book! Thanks for sharing your research! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 15:31:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LKVeGA012932 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LKUO2L024484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LKUGA3063443; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:30:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LKUEJh063376 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cs5Q5-0001Mw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:30:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At first when I saw this subject line, I thought "Oh, another one of those spams with a nonsense phrase as the subject." Then I saw the [h-cost] and thought "Oh no, ANOTHER piece of armor I've never heard of! How deep is my ignorance?!?!?!?" I expected a discussion of CSA armorers, working at the forge, producing period memlings... What a relief that it's about a forged Memling! I had not heard of Memling before, so my ignorance is still admittedly deep, but I'm learning all the time! (I do find art forgery and literary forgery fascinating topics.) Thanks-- Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Shane & Sheridan Sent: Jan 21, 2005 2:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Forged Memling Just found this, thought folks here would be interested: http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/01/20/Arts/flemishfake0 50120.html Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 16:18:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LLIj92013670 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:18:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLHj2L000337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLHaWa002891; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLHNXS002717 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05594 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1DC9@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > > > from _A Medieval Book of Seasons_)... > > I'll have to go look it up -- I know it was something about humors -- > but in my mind I have it filed under "Medieval health recommendations: > If allergic to wool, line it with linen" and I _know_ it wasn't phrased > that way in the book! Oh, that's from either the "Medieval Health Handbook" or "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti," both of which examine the several Tacuinum Sanitatus manuscripts. There are entries for both wool and linen (as well as silk) which we've discussed here before. (It's important to consider them in light of the fact that the text originated in the Islamic world, but the illustrations are from Northern Italy with a strong nod to French style. Makes for some interesting mixes and potential internal contradictions!) I'm not sure if the word "lining" is used, and if so, in which translation, but I also do remember the passage about mitigating the dangers of wool by using linen under it. "A Medieval Book of Seasons" is a coffee-table book that has a lot of really nice pictures and really lousy credit/caption information. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 16:29:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LLT5SE013822 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLSR2L001501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLSK1r011296; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:28:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from astros.uttyler.edu (astros.uttyler.edu [206.76.228.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLSG94011106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vicki_betts@mail.uttyl.edu) Received: from ([198.213.56.77]) by astros.uttyler.edu with ESMTP id KP-GGD45.1346904; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:27:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:34:04 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on UT Tyler Admin/UT Tyler(Release 6.5.3|September 14, 2004) at 01/21/2005 03:31:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ACW homespun dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just before Christmas I was lucky enough to purchase a homespun dress from the period of the American Civil War from North Carolina. I have created a webpage with photographs, information, a couple of bodice sketches, a possible fabric layout, comparisons with other fabrics, a sketch of a possible pocket, rough estimate of how much weaving thread was required, and rough estimate of how long to produce from pulling seeds from cotton to finished dress. If you see any typographical errors or (horrors!) math mistakes, please let me know. I've tried to cover all of the bases, but except for getting dyes chemically analyzed, which would be expensive and destructive, I can't think of anything else. There's lots of thumbnails, so the page may be a little slow to load. http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/furr_homespun_dress.htm If you would like additional information on homespun in the South during the American Civil War, I have a few things posted at: http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/homespun_intro.htm Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 16:35:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LLZ6Ju013979 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLY42L002018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLXuB5015498; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:33:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LLXoVS015258 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA9C7J8AD8FQH2 for (sender ); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:33:18 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgn/9FoPyX8wLyQ8rEqusi94= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHV95YSY; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:33:05 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:32:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Message-ID: <20050121.133230.3448.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-14,16-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3643551257 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:10 -0600 (CST) Robin writes: > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > > > > > from _A Medieval Book of Seasons_)... > > > > I'll have to go look it up -- I know it was something about humors > -- > but in my mind I have it filed under "Medieval health > recommendations: > > If allergic to wool, line it with linen" and I _know_ it wasn't > phrased that way in the book! I *hope* whoever said it was kidding! Someone with a serious wool allergy should be wearing it *at all*! Wool can work past a fiber barrier. Arlys, who IS allergic to wool _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 16:49:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LLnnSZ014218 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:49:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLmO2L003682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:48:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLmIA7029025; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLmEBe028948 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0LLmAgU016733 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:48:10 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:48:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20050121.133230.3448.3.Cley@juno.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just for interest sake...did you know that people allergic to sheep's wool can almost always wear llama wool? I guess it doesn't have the same irritation factor that sheep's wool does. Talia ------------------------------------------------------ I *hope* whoever said it was kidding! Someone with a serious wool allergy should be wearing it *at all*! Wool can work past a fiber barrier. Arlys, who IS allergic to wool -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 16:58:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LLwZ7N014333 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:58:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLvn2L004601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LLvkJd036475; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0LLviD5036447 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-12996); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:43 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050121135056.00d7eca0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:35 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] ACW homespun dress In-Reply-To: References: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been browsing your website and have found all the details fascinating. I especially like the fabric details. Good job! As for fastenings, perhaps straight pins? That's how I close my wrapper dress at Sutter's Fort (about 20 years earlier in style). With a brooch at the neck, with the bodice linings fastened with pins, and an apron on, the dress would be comfortably, and securely, closed. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 03:34 PM 1/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Just before Christmas I was lucky enough to purchase a homespun dress from >the period of the American Civil War from North Carolina. I have created a >webpage with photographs, information, a couple of bodice sketches, a >possible fabric layout, comparisons with other fabrics, a sketch of a >possible pocket, rough estimate of how much weaving thread was required, >and rough estimate of how long to produce from pulling seeds from cotton to >finished dress. If you see any typographical errors or (horrors!) math >mistakes, please let me know. I've tried to cover all of the bases, but >except for getting dyes chemically analyzed, which would be expensive and >destructive, I can't think of anything else. There's lots of thumbnails, >so the page may be a little slow to load. > >http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/furr_homespun_dress.htm > >If you would like additional information on homespun in the South during >the American Civil War, I have a few things posted at: >http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/homespun_intro.htm > >Vicki Betts >vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 17:13:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LMDumV014553 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMCd2L006208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMCV2m048270; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts12.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMC4rS047983 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.138.241]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050121221200.RQP1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c50005$64a1f7e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:05:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm, I wonder what part of the body a 'forged Memling' would armour? :-) Here are some examples of Memlings works: http://www.wga.hu/art/m/memling/1early1/01prese1.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/m/memling/1early3/02last41.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/m/memling/2middle3/13nodo2.jpg His paintings are used very frequently as documentation/inspiration for medieval costumers, they are a wonderful visual resource. I find it interesting that there is an actual display of forged art, the people who spent so much time faking other peoples works were obviously amazing artists in themselves, it would make for a very fascinating show. Sheridan Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling > At first when I saw this subject line, I thought "Oh, another one of those spams with a nonsense phrase as the subject." > Then I saw the [h-cost] and thought "Oh no, ANOTHER piece of armor I've never heard of! How deep is my ignorance?!?!?!?" I expected a discussion of CSA armorers, working at the forge, producing period memlings... > What a relief that it's about a forged Memling! I had not heard of Memling before, so my ignorance is still admittedly deep, but I'm learning all the time! (I do find art forgery and literary forgery fascinating topics.) > Thanks-- > Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane & Sheridan > Sent: Jan 21, 2005 2:00 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Forged Memling > > Just found this, thought folks here would be interested: > > > http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/01/20/Arts/flemishfake0 > 50120.html > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 17:23:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LMNLYo014696 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:23:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMMZ2L007156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMMUkv055895; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMMPuV055824 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06132 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:13 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling In-Reply-To: <007c01c50005$64a1f7e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > I find it interesting that there is an actual display of forged art, > the people who spent so much time faking other peoples works were > obviously amazing artists in themselves, it would make for a very > fascinating show. The exhibit is at the Groeninge Museum, one of the most wonderful places on the face of the earth :-) and runs through most of February. It's called "Fake/Not Fake" and focuses on Flemish primitives -- e.g. Memling and van der Weyden and their colleagues. It considers not only outright fakes, but also the issue of "heavy restoration" -- at what point does a restored/repainted work become a new work, and can no longer be considered the original artist's work? I would very much like to see this exhibit, but I'm nowhere near Bruges. I can't find any reference to a catalog, but if anyone does know whether there's a published catalog available for this exhibit, please let me know. I haven't been able to find an e-mail contact for the Groeninge yet. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 17:28:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LMSDll014807 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:28:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMRS2Z007967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:27:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMPvKR059571; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LMMYPA055962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LMGITA020570 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:18 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F180A6.8010206@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:22:30 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling References: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <007c01c50005$64a1f7e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <007c01c50005$64a1f7e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shane & Sheridan wrote: > I find it interesting that there is an actual display of forged art, the > people who spent so much time faking other peoples works were obviously > amazing artists in themselves, it would make for a very fascinating show. Museums do them moderately often; I recall one at the Boston MFA some years back. The exhibition had postcards, too, of the real art. Except one of the cards had the image of a fake and the text of the real one! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Well, there was a black pit of despair there for a while, but I managed to climb out of that into a grey vale of sorrow. -- Rufinia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 18:03:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LN309L015414 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LN2B2L013437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LN1sxT088804; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LN1lbA088711 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-190.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.190]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LN1avF018470 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:01:44 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050121145438.0247f7b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:56:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] ACW homespun dress In-Reply-To: References: <19498251.1106339412931.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >There's lots of thumbnails, >so the page may be a little slow to load. > >http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/furr_homespun_dress.htm I wish I'd had this before I made my Dickens' Faire housedress. Except for the homespun fabric, this is just what I wanted mine to look like. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 18:22:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0LNMBml015702 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LNL42L016828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LNKw15003463; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0LNKt1w003385 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5962C36A29 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:20:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p714.socket.net [64.85.218.207]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CC28D466 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:20:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Forged Memling Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41F180A6.8010206@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wonder whose work he destroyed to create his fake. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 19:03:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M03Kmg016284 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:03:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M02J2L023030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M02Bm3033357; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M01nMc033150 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAO00JETYR18L@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.47] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.140]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:01:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:01:49 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <54a6ff54f87a.54f87a54a6ff@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And here I read it as being lined with a coarse type of tobacco... 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Jurancich > Uh...no. They are merely lined with shag, not made of it. > Joan> > At 12:47 PM 1/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joan Jurancich" > > There is even a reference on page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned with shagge." > > > >Hmmm, so what you are saying is that big furry,fluffy slippers > are period?;-) > >Sheridan -who now has images of lovely Elizabethan gowns with pink bunny slippers going through my head.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 19:57:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M0vmpP017157 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:57:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M0ud2L029192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M0uWJZ062000; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M0uS9P061967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0M0oETA021521 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:50:14 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F1A4BA.6090004@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:56:26 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forged Memling References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > I wonder whose work he destroyed to create his fake. It's possible they'll be able to get some outlines with the tech they have these days. But it couldn't have been really wonderful, or else he wouldn't have been able to afford it for raw materials. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Well, there was a black pit of despair there for a while, but I managed to climb out of that into a grey vale of sorrow. -- Rufinia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 21 21:39:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M2d0tC017923 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M2cG2L008790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M2c46O002771; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tonnant.concentric.com (tonnant.concentric.com [207.155.248.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M2c2oj002760 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from Julie (66-105-235-37-sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.37]) by tonnant.concentric.com id VAA00106; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:38:01 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:41:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200501220007.j0M06LAD035908@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Forged Memling X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO giggle, snort. Me too. GUess that's what happens when you live with a blacksmith. Julie >Then I saw the [h-cost] and thought "Oh no, ANOTHER piece of armor >I've never heard of! How deep is my ignorance?!?!?!?" I expected a >discussion of CSA armorers, working at the forge, producing period >memlings... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 00:30:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M5UkOU018627 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M5Tc2L016923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M5TPUi066118; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M5TNPv066095 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.46.116] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CsDpr-0006zC-Ap for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:29:23 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type; b=npfc7wzVXaGmCPbagYTdCkey/9bjPSz++eOo9huXpQbtaDU63E1CFM6+M8w7FBox; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1B53@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA1B53@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:20:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining & bag lining Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4781d07866980e91ece0d9dbfa9895d27d3d22b53f8dcccf792350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.116 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 2:14 PM -0700 1/20/05, wrote: >Hi, does anyone know when lining garments came into widespread practice? >All the pictures I've seen of the Greenland garments and in _Textiles >and Clothing: Medieval Finds from Excavations in London, c.1150-c.1450_ >are unlined. Yet nearly everything in Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion: The >Cut and Construction of Clothes for Men and Women C1560-1620_ is lined >to some extent. I remember from Robin's lecture that lining the gothic >fitted dress is very important to the structure of the garment -- do we >have any archeological evidence that the gothic fitted dresses _were_ >lined? I know that there are a couple textural references to lining (I >don't know how extensive these references are -- I can think of one >off-hand from _A Medieval Book of Seasons_), and I'm sure I can find >art-references with pictures showing the interior of the garment a >different color then the exterior but that could easily be done for >art-composition reasons rather then as a depiction of reality... so, >does anyone know when lining came into use? (It's always possible that >my understanding of the Greenland garments is incomplete -- I haven't >gotten _Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland" yet.) One of the difficulties in interpreting the evidence is that if, as would seem logical, lining have generally been of linen or other vegetable fibers, then the usual European preservation conditions would typically fail to preserve such a lining even when an outer woolen garment is preserved. When garments have been preserved in non-archaeological contexts (e.g. the poirpoint of Charles of Blois or the "golden gown" of Queen Margaret -- both of the 14th century) then linen linings can be preserved, but this type of preservation is less common the earlier you get. The earliest example I know of evidence for a lined garment is the fragmentary 10th c. Llangors textile which, though entirely carbonized, can be identified as a linen outer fabric lined with linen cut in the same fashion as the outer layer. I believe I've run into descriptions of layers in grave finds from significantly earlier that have been interpreted as lined garments (e.g., Merovingian era), but when you're dealing with that sort of fragmentary evidence, then the conclusions are in danger of being skewed by what the researcher expects to find. So, at the very least we have a 10th c. example of a lined garment, placing the Gothic fitted gown well within the range of known examples. Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 00:51:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M5paBw018683 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:51:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M5p22L017810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M5oxM2074414; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M5op6n074367 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CsEAd-0006HO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:50:51 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050121234558.0312cec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:50:25 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501211757.j0LHvqoB041157@net.indra.com> References: <200501211757.j0LHvqoB041157@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Measures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unless (in the U.S.) you're following the directions on a package of coffee or tea (brewed or instant) -- then a "cup" is 6 oz. Considering most people I know drink these beverages from mugs that contain at least twice that, trying to translate "cups" into actual "servings" is REALLY interesting. :>} Sandy At 11:57 AM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:18:25 +0000 >From: Teddy > > > Teddy, obviously you have to move to the States, where we still >measure fabric in yards, and recipes use pounds and pints. > >Hmmm.. might be a bit of a long commute to work from there.... not to >mention swapping all the things I don't liek about England, for all the >things I wouldn't like about America. > > > But I believe our cups > > and spoons vary slighly from yours -- in fact, an English friend kindly > > sent me a set of British measuring cups and spoons to go with an old > > British recipe book. I should check and see if they're actually different. > >They are different - a friend was recently sent a set of American ones >so she could follow American recipes without the need for complicated >conversions/ > >Teddy >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:30 +0000 >From: "Kate M Bunting" > >Yes, our recipes expect you to weigh dry ingredients. Modern ones give >both metric and imperial units (and warn you not to mix them). I have an >American recipe booklet from the Quaker Oats company, reissued in the UK >with the explanation that a "cup" is 8 fl. oz. and giving the weight of >a cup of butter. I use a pint measuring jug which has fl. oz. markings. > >Kate Bunting (who learned science in metric but still thinks in >imperial.) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 02:40:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0M7eH4X027427 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M7dO2L021989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M7d02N018540; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0M7ctQB018501 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:38:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DFA367FD for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:38:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p197.socket.net [64.85.214.199]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D252AD466 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:38:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Measures Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:39:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050121234558.0312cec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A standard (U.S.) measuring cup = 8oz. = 250 ml. present standard coffee mugs range from 9oz. up. old coffee cups held 8oz. to the brim. De -----Original Message----- Unless (in the U.S.) you're following the directions on a package of coffee or tea (brewed or instant) -- then a "cup" is 6 oz. Considering most people I know drink these beverages from mugs that contain at least twice that, trying to translate "cups" into actual "servings" is REALLY interesting. :>} Sandy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 12:19:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MHJ48Q025594 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MHID2L004906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MHHxA0077624; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MHHvpc077597 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so195591rne for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QIGL4WgZeAo5IIv+9nLJI/tXmNUR8i2JeYyZlUFSwXjEHNwJHW+aNgnMs+KqozGfrqtp6LD6g+rUZpLZnz5LB/ZfVM239BSPn7yk4O1LYX4iaBXbeZ5snVLKGrsHF83kSllObLJRFxIjB29R8i1GVOLFeq30I21J72Ap6JAlmDM= Received: by 10.38.22.21 with SMTP id 21mr127425rnv; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.67.18 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:17:57 -0500 From: Bonnie Booker To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects In-Reply-To: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Also my problem is that 99% of published patterns don't fit my extra long ladie's sz 11 body. There are lines on patterns to lengthen and/or shorten to fit your figure. Just have a friend help you measure. > > I am offering $$ for a person to make me a "sloper"?? - a fabric version of my body - so I can use it as a base for my garb. > I use a duct tape double. The directions are now on-line, I forget where, just google it. You get an old t-shirt and have a friend duct tape it to your body. Do several layers. This can be cut off and taped back together for different designs, from cotehardies to Elizabethan. Just cut the lines different, then tape it back together. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 13:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MI5RoV026093 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MI4q2L007771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:04:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MI4kb6000311; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0MI4gws000239 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64665 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 18:04:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20050122180436.64663.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.249] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:04:36 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:04:36 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To all of this List who expressed an interest......... Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. I also spoke to Mr Hamon of your interest, - and of the diffculty some of you wrote that you have found in obtaining such linen in the USA, - and if any of you want to order Bishops' Lawn Linen [or any other fabrics] by Mail, he'll be happy to supply you. I have no way of knowing if you'll think this price/yd expensive. To save you looking up a currency converter, at today's Exchange Rate that worked out to US$36.25. To give you some idea of local wages, a time-served Craftsman - say a Carpenter and Joiner - over here earns US$895 for a 42hr-long working week. The average Craftsmens' annual wage is said to be around £24,000 [An Imperial gallon of Diesel Fuel costs US$3.68. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 14:08:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MJ8Hup027082 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:08:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MJ7S2L012450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MJ7Naj031122; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MJ5aUC030145 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:05:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14700 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:16:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:16:29 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price In-Reply-To: <20050122180436.64663.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0MJ5aUC030145 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, julian wilson wrote: > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" > wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. Per yard, or for the entire 10 yards? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 15:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MKgNtB030430 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MKfW2L018537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MKfLi9076085; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MKfJaR076062 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-3-239.s1001.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.239] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CsS4I-0005jg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:14 -0500 Message-ID: <41F2BA63.60704@erols.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:07 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions References: <200501192244.j0JMiltD024018@sabre.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: > Oh, yeah -- the husband does it ... in spades. I cannot. He used to love > drafting class where they give 3 sides of a 3-D object, and you have to > draw the other sides. :-P How about taking the three 3-D views and then draw a 3/4 view of the object...Loved the challenged. But then I have the detailed oriented mindset to modify a pattern to size or measurement. ...Or the skill to understand the instruction in a patter. There has been (and probable will be) times when e I would visualize the instruction because it is not readily apparent how the two pattern pieces are meant to be sewn based on what the instruction says. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 15:53:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MKrFfu030820 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:53:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MKqe2L019206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MKqaYT081100; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MKqZEd081072 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-3-239.s1001.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.239] helo=erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CsSFF-00033J-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: <41F2BD0B.4020900@erols.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:52:27 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now: draping was: lots of subjects References: <40414a405edc.405edc40414a@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bonnie Booker wrote: > I use a duct tape double. The directions are now on-line, I forget > where, just google it. You get an old t-shirt and have a friend duct > tape it to your body. Do several layers. This can be cut off and > taped back together for different designs, from cotehardies to > Elizabethan. Just cut the lines different, then tape it back > together. Also if you or a friend have a "Threads" subscription. "Threads" usually carry an article to modify a pattern for effect or pattern problems. And since they are almost exclusively for women you can have direction on how to modify a sloper for specific effect. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 16:07:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ML7bSl031343 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ML6v2L019981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:06:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0ML6s0V088174; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0ML6e6W088016 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64453 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 21:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.249] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:06:35 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:06:35 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: robin@shell.nightowl.net Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the entire 10yds, Robin.. Robin wrote:On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, julian wilson wrote: > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" > wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. Per yard, or for the entire 10 yards? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 16:29:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MLTsfQ032130 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MLTF2L021485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLTBZt099115; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLTACZ099102 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15775; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:40:04 -0600 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:40:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: julian wilson In-Reply-To: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0MLTACZ099102 Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, julian wilson wrote: > For the entire 10yds, Robin.. Yow! That's a remarkably good price. julian wilson wrote: > > > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" > > wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 16:50:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MLogs3000358 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:50:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MLnd2L022584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLnXET008739; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:49:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLnUfk008717 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-18.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.18]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MLnJh5025735 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050122134812.02570608@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:49:05 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] visualising 3 dimensions In-Reply-To: <41F2BA63.60704@erols.com> References: <200501192244.j0JMiltD024018@sabre.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >...Or the skill to understand the instruction in a patter. There has >been (and probable will be) times when e I would visualize the >instruction because it is not readily apparent how the two pattern >pieces are meant to be sewn based on what the instruction says. I'm a complete and total washout when it comes to following printed instructions. If those guide sheets didn't have pictures I'd be lost. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 16:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MLsr3I000500 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MLsF2L022910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLsE6o011104; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MLrAne010593 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAQ001CPNGLXZ@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.76] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.247]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:09 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5d353a5ce708.5ce7085d353a@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0MLrAne010593 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Eyes pop out and roll across floor.... Eyes roll back and pop back in place..... $3.63 USD per yard????!!!!!!! Even including Import/ Export fees - that is CHEAP!! The cheapest mid weight linen (which is the finest I can get locally) is $5-6 per yard.... and that is usualy pre-embroidered with flowers or some such.... And the local fabric shop only sells it in 45" width. As for diesel - in north eastern "New" Jersey it is up to $1.90 USD per American Gallon. Katheryne who wonders if she can get someone to go in with, to only get 4 yds of this wonderful stuff,,, hhmmm make that 5 - I need sleeves also...... LOL! ----- Original Message ----- From: julian wilson > To all of this List who expressed an interest......... > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. > I have no way of knowing if you'll think this price/yd expensive. To save you looking up a currency converter, at today's Exchange Rate that worked out to US$36.25. [An Imperial gallon of Diesel Fuel costs US$3.68. > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, > [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 17:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MMCOLd000822 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MMBn2L024056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMBjrS019400; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMBfEN019357 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so213073rne for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nYALyV34Ezqcm7j+Xs4sSm5qX2Gj2hjzhptiCFS5SCf8un+DfA+WsqViqrOJBaasUJj2i/ItDq94RhFdtUPT7KBU4rwPJJknnUBdQDhX8gRU6F1Tekg4XTUssM8yZxjvv9TbCCnkKj99FxJ1CZajfldakC0MLjLTsp1/7epLTtA= Received: by 10.38.71.67 with SMTP id t67mr12090rna; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905012214117617fead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:11:41 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501221901.j0MJ0EXb027727@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <200501221901.j0MJ0EXb027727@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0MMBfEN019357 Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:04:36 +0000 (GMT) > From: julian wilson > Subject: [h-cost] > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <20050122180436.64663.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > To all of this List who expressed an interest......... > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. Is that 20-25 pounds per yard, or for the whole 10 yards? I'm not currently in the market for linen, but if it was only around USD$36 for 10 years, that is an EXCELLENT price! > I also spoke to Mr Hamon of your interest, - and of the diffculty some of you wrote that you have found in obtaining such linen in the USA, - and if any of you want to order Bishops' Lawn Linen [or any other fabrics] by Mail, he'll be happy to supply you. > > I have no way of knowing if you'll think this price/yd expensive. To save you looking up a currency converter, at today's Exchange Rate that worked out to US$36.25. > To give you some idea of local wages, a time-served Craftsman - say a Carpenter and Joiner - over here earns US$895 for a 42hr-long working week. The average Craftsmens' annual wage is said to be around £24,000 [An Imperial gallon of Diesel Fuel costs US$3.68. We got you beat on gas - even with the "rising prices" the highest I've seen here (DC area) lately is around USD$1.92/gallon or so. > > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, > [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] > late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to > "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", > in "olde" Jersey > Allison T _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 17:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MMFkp6000873 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MMF82L024228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMF7Ts020969; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMBf0v019358 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so207349rng for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nYALyV34Ezqcm7j+Xs4sSm5qX2Gj2hjzhptiCFS5SCf8un+DfA+WsqViqrOJBaasUJj2i/ItDq94RhFdtUPT7KBU4rwPJJknnUBdQDhX8gRU6F1Tekg4XTUssM8yZxjvv9TbCCnkKj99FxJ1CZajfldakC0MLjLTsp1/7epLTtA= Received: by 10.38.71.67 with SMTP id t67mr12090rna; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905012214117617fead@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:11:41 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501221901.j0MJ0EXb027727@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <200501221901.j0MJ0EXb027727@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0MMBf0v019358 Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:04:36 +0000 (GMT) > From: julian wilson > Subject: [h-cost] > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <20050122180436.64663.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > To all of this List who expressed an interest......... > Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. Is that 20-25 pounds per yard, or for the whole 10 yards? I'm not currently in the market for linen, but if it was only around USD$36 for 10 years, that is an EXCELLENT price! > I also spoke to Mr Hamon of your interest, - and of the diffculty some of you wrote that you have found in obtaining such linen in the USA, - and if any of you want to order Bishops' Lawn Linen [or any other fabrics] by Mail, he'll be happy to supply you. > > I have no way of knowing if you'll think this price/yd expensive. To save you looking up a currency converter, at today's Exchange Rate that worked out to US$36.25. > To give you some idea of local wages, a time-served Craftsman - say a Carpenter and Joiner - over here earns US$895 for a 42hr-long working week. The average Craftsmens' annual wage is said to be around £24,000 [An Imperial gallon of Diesel Fuel costs US$3.68. We got you beat on gas - even with the "rising prices" the highest I've seen here (DC area) lately is around USD$1.92/gallon or so. > > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, > [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] > late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to > "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", > in "olde" Jersey > Allison T _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 17:42:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MMgSuN001370 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:42:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MMfq2L025874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMfkZ3033420; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MMfiUo033374 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050122224139.XEWT14579.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:41:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c500d4$20a0c100$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050122180436.64663.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:45:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That would be cheaper than getting it from the states for me as they will not ship it by mail. I paid $100 for 10 yds. of med. linen that looks more like cheesecloth than linen and the threads broke when I washed it. With shipping and duty for 10 yds. of bishop's linen would only cost me about $65.00. Now I just need to turn this other junk into something someone would buy so I can order this fine linen from Hamons. Thanks Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian wilson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price To all of this List who expressed an interest......... Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. I also spoke to Mr Hamon of your interest, - and of the diffculty some of you wrote that you have found in obtaining such linen in the USA, - and if any of you want to order Bishops' Lawn Linen [or any other fabrics] by Mail, he'll be happy to supply you. I have no way of knowing if you'll think this price/yd expensive. To save you looking up a currency converter, at today's Exchange Rate that worked out to US$36.25. To give you some idea of local wages, a time-served Craftsman - say a Carpenter and Joiner - over here earns US$895 for a 42hr-long working week. The average Craftsmens' annual wage is said to be around £24,000 [An Imperial gallon of Diesel Fuel costs US$3.68. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 18:23:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MNNX5W001979 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:23:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MNMf2L028607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNMVpj052840; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNMRX9052809 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0MNMOWj029507 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:22:25 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:22:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <5d353a5ce708.5ce7085d353a@optonline.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can get really nice 100% linen in the Los Angeles garment district for anywhere between a dollar and three dollars per yard, 60" goods. All colors, all weights. 100% wool, 72" goods is anywhere between four to six dollars per yard, all colors and weights. Talia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 18:29:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MNTaPl002080 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:29:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MNT32L029080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNT0Jc055996; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNSwqo055986 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CsUgc-0000zX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:28:58 -0800 Message-ID: <41F2E1BA.6070707@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:28:58 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dude! Sign me up! Just kidding, I will contact them myself! julian wilson wrote: >For the entire 10yds, Robin.. > >Robin wrote:On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, julian wilson wrote: > > > >>Ladies, I've just been to Hamon's Ltd of St Helier to buy 10yds at 60" >>wide, and that cost me £20-25; - which includes a 10% discount. >> >> > >Per yard, or for the entire 10 yards? > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >Yours in service, >Julian Wilson, >[aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] >late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to >"The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", >in "olde" Jersey > >--------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 18:32:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MNWE0l002119 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MNVi2L029282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNVhVg057380; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0MNVf8w057359 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CsUjF-0001em-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:31:41 -0800 Message-ID: <41F2E25D.2060300@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:41 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. Thanks! Sg khanson wrote: >You can get really nice 100% linen in the Los Angeles garment district for >anywhere between a dollar and three dollars per yard, 60" goods. All colors, >all weights. 100% wool, 72" goods is anywhere between four to six dollars >per yard, all colors and weights. > >Talia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 19:39:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N0duR0002616 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:39:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N0d92L003681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N0cPKl085841; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N0cJnx085701 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.201] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CsVli-0003uW-Sb for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01f301c500e3$d493a830$c9399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b74c321b8e008c5a007853f6ec69e9acc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian wrote: > For the entire 10yds, Robin. Wow. Even with shipping and any applicable taxes, that's a bargain. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 19:49:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N0nmuk002687 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:49:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N0nF2L004419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N0nAqr090846; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:49:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N0n8Mv090834 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C523220A44; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:49:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust246.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.246]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EC54E20A36 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <104201c500e5$71d6cae0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <41F2E1BA.6070707@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:49:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YOWSA. Thank you so much for passing this on, Julian. I have a feeling that there's going to be a run on it, soon... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 20:06:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N165gM002771 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N1552L005308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N1524T097470; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N150VQ097451 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0N14vWj018901 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <41F2E25D.2060300@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/677/Fri Jan 21 10:50:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I'll be really, really nice and give you my Sooper Seekret Shopping Stash Store... :) There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street number is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, and they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen. Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door, and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. They usually start quoting you a price of about $3/yard, but if you are serious about buying a large amount (more than 100 yards) you can tease them down on pricing. Carmela will generally go a tiny bit lower than Morrie, perhaps .25/yard less, but not always. Get them on a really slow day, like a Tuesday or a holiday, and you can score some great deals. Key word here is bargain at least a little bit! They also carry lovely wool from time to time, and will give you a fair deal on it as well. They occasionally have silk, and they almost always have silk velvet too. Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) -----Original Message----- Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. Thanks! Sg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 20:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N1d30p002934 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N1cT2L007633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:38:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N1cO8r014246; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N1cAVU014051 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 76CF6B786; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust246.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.246]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 44854B77B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <10be01c500ec$408a1440$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <01f301c500e3$d493a830$c9399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:38:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone have any idea about what the shipping and taxes might be? The last thing I shipped to the UK weighed about 2 lbs, and cost about USD $35, not counting customs on the other end. Granted, there were one or two other factors at play, but that's still enough to make me nervous! On the other hand, I just received several pounds of fabric from Russia, for only USD $15 in shipping... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 21:04:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N24Zbk003103 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N23m2L009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:03:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N23ejO024705; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N23cqd024684 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from Kathy.verizon.net ([70.16.128.182]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050123020333.GPSK28362.out005.verizon.net@Kathy.verizon.net> for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:03:33 -0600 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20050122210010.019e3188@incoming.verizon.net> X-Sender: kathysmassmail@incoming.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:03:25 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Kathy In-Reply-To: <002101c4fef2$c25afc60$765183d1@rmitchellras> References: <0e3b01c4fe5a$aee743c0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <002101c4fef2$c25afc60$765183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [70.16.128.182] at Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:03:32 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fake Fur cleaned! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Everyone! I just wanted to thank you all a thousand times over. I felt carefully on the coat and felt no structures that would be messed up by washing, so I held my breath, and put it in my front-loader on delicate and cold water. Pulled it out and 30 minutes on air dry in the dryer later and it's GREAT! It worked beautifully. Thanks for all the help! --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 21:52:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N2qfYe003432 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:52:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N2px2L013490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N2pr4C043742; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N2pp83043727 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:51:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAR00MFM163WK@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.76] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.247]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:15 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price To: Historical Costume Message-id: <5c257b5c017d.5c017d5c257b@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO quick question - do you mean in NYC? or LA fabric district?? Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: khanson > > There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street number > is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, and > they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen.Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door,and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. > Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 22:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N3Yfa0003949 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N3Xn2L016558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:33:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N3Xhnc061787; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50609.mail.yahoo.com (web50609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0N3XfGl061735 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 33798 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 03:33:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20050123033336.33796.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:33:36 EST Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:33:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heck, at this price I would be more than willing to go in on purchasing a bolt of the stuff and split it up. Anyone in Ontario interested? Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 22 22:58:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N3w91W004418 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N3vX2L017874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N3vPKV070977; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N3vLMp070947 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:57:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m254.in-tch.com [216.166.191.254]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0N3sRI12121 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:54:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F321CC.6080702@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:02:20 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <01f301c500e3$d493a830$c9399b04@HELENPINTO> <10be01c500ec$408a1440$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <10be01c500ec$408a1440$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dunno....last thing I got from t'other side of the pond was a rather large box of books. I know there was significant postage/shipping, but I'd expected it because of the weight. I wasn't outraged by it or anything though, so it probably wasn't horrendous. Of course, maybe fees and such are different for books? Or stuff coming from countries other than England? (books came from Ireland)... --sue, wondering how she's going to squeeze linen money out of her post-holidays budget....;-D E House wrote: > Does anyone have any idea about what the shipping and taxes might be? > The last thing I shipped to the UK weighed about 2 lbs, and cost about > USD $35, not counting customs on the other end. Granted, there were one > or two other factors at play, but that's still enough to make me > nervous! On the other hand, I just received several pounds of fabric > from Russia, for only USD $15 in shipping... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 01:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N638EY005809 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N62E2L023941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N625ET021262; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N623YU021168 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:02:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 0AAC31BCA54; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust241.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.241]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EEB771BCA21 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:01:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <10d401c50111$1f17c350$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0e3b01c4fe5a$aee743c0$0400a8c0@compaqub><002101c4fef2$c25afc60$765183d1@rmitchellras> <6.1.0.6.0.20050122210010.019e3188@incoming.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fake Fur cleaned! Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:02:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cool! Glad to hear it. I just ordered a spiffy fake-fur lined coat which should get here on Monday... =} -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy" > Pulled it out and 30 minutes on air dry in the dryer later and it's GREAT! > It worked beautifully. Thanks for all the help! > --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 01:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0N6j7EE006324 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:45:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0N6hX2L026615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N6hRHJ037048; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0N6hPR1037026 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0N6hLWj027562 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:22 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5c257b5c017d.5c017d5c257b@optonline.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Los Angeles garment district. T. -----Original Message----- quick question - do you mean in NYC? or LA fabric district?? Katheryne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 11:05:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NG5PKi023424 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NG4O2L016670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NG4EBm083055; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:04:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NG4Cqx082982 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050123160403.DULT568.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c50165$c24edc80$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050122210635.64451.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <01f301c500e3$d493a830$c9399b04@HELENPINTO><10be01c500ec$408a1440$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41F321CC.6080702@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:08:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you are not in a hurry surface mail is cheap from England. Check out the UK mail service http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=400037&mediaId=400393 Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Dunno....last thing I got from t'other side of the pond was a rather large box of books. I know there was significant postage/shipping, but I'd expected it because of the weight. I wasn't outraged by it or anything though, so it probably wasn't horrendous. Of course, maybe fees and such are different for books? Or stuff coming from countries other than England? (books came from Ireland)... --sue, wondering how she's going to squeeze linen money out of her post-holidays budget....;-D E House wrote: > Does anyone have any idea about what the shipping and taxes might be? > The last thing I shipped to the UK weighed about 2 lbs, and cost about > USD $35, not counting customs on the other end. Granted, there were one > or two other factors at play, but that's still enough to make me > nervous! On the other hand, I just received several pounds of fabric > from Russia, for only USD $15 in shipping... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 11:37:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NGbRG5023621 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:37:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NGan2L019018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NGahEC099718; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NGaaCc099619 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d5.2029f22d (3964) for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:36:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] ACW homespun dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks very much for sharing. Just one small thing: Seems likely to me that, even if hand spun and hand woven, the ginning of the cotton would have been by machine, not by hand. I know this was the case with wool--there were mills all over the place where you could take it to be carded instead of doing it by hand. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 11:59:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NGxrlv023735 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:59:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NGx52L020998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NGx1Dp012553; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40424.mail.yahoo.com (web40424.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0NGwxU1012481 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55013 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 16:58:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=H/UgKuESbPEoyjP+2I8DoK/uR1eWLY1a7pvu01/i4dZm77W3jc067wmfQzkvyb6aw8G4WoI5HgYdPtewQ4SqGb2pGMoSFwI0p7hug7ct9qMZkk0ZDgOHVpcjOBX1/RSDf69o6QMEmsFbq3zjnmR1ODZs3aQujCaLHylT6410igk= ; Message-ID: <20050123165853.55011.qmail@web40424.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40424.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:58:53 PST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501201417.j0KEGX3J025685@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Grid paper (was pattern review? (Going way OT here)) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Teddy > Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) > > > > I wish! Try finding *anything* still gridded off in inches > instead > of > > > centimetres in the UK and you'll have an exercise in futility! > > > > > > Teddy > > > > Teddy, do you have any shops around your area that carry role > > playing games? I've seen blank "battle maps" for RPGs > > gridded in one inch squares -- it's the standard grid for > > Dungeons and Dragons. The vinyl maps would be way too > > expensive to use as pattern layout grids, but at least one > > company makes the blank maps in coated paper. You'd probably > > have to tape several sheets together, though. > > Good tip, Leah - thanks! > > I do actually have one of those cardboard mats gridded in inches (a > lucky find, still in it's original wrapper, in a ssecond hand shop > some > time ago - dating back to before the change-over to decimalisation > was > quite so far advanced)... gridded pattern paper, on the other hand > is > almost always in centimeres (as I discovered the first time I tried > to > get some to scale up a pattern from Janet Arnold)... stupid > obsession > with metric measurements this country has developed.... grumble> > > Teddy > Teddy, Try this link: This website has graph paper you can print in many different sizes, and also a program you can download to create your own. ~Mary ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 12:37:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NHaxhf024045 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:37:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NHa32L024130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NHZuqt032499; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NHZsD5032441 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.52]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050123173551.FKCV1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c50170$ecc62260$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050123033336.33796.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oooo! Oooo! Pick me, pick me! Sheridan (Sudbury, ON) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed > Heck, at this price I would be more than willing to go > in on purchasing a bolt of the stuff and split it up. > Anyone in Ontario interested? > > Kathy > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 13:02:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NI2cNr024197 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NI212L025894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NI1vHF047450; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40421.mail.yahoo.com (web40421.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0NI1uXO047384 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70428 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 18:01:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rebecca, Sorry for the late reply, I'm rather behind on this list... I recently bought several of the RH patterns for the early 17th century. I made the English Jacket for someone else and while the pattern itself went together really well and came out looking very nice, I did have a couple problems with the pattern. First of all, I was making it for my daughter's teacher and only had her measurements to go by. According to the pattern instructions, I made it in a size 20-22. When it was finished, it was waaaay too small -- the front opening had a 5-6" gap. I even made the seam allowances as small as possible. And, yes, I should have made a mock-up, but time and circumstances didn't allow. My only other comment is that I found the instructions a bit terse and lacking in visual aids. That is just my *personal* experience with the instructions, since I am a visual learner. There were several steps that took my a very long time to work out what they meant. All in all, I am very happy with the results and plan to make at *least* one more for myself. I just know now to make it several sizes larger than the patterns calls for and to make one (or more) muslins. ~Mary P.S. I also made one of the caps (the Dutch cap? can't remember right now) and it was rather small too. But I have a big head! > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:06:05 -0600 > From: "Rebecca Schmitt" > Subject: [h-cost] pattern review? > > I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History > pattern > for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). > I want > to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern > (this seems > to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The > Great > Pattern Review did not include this pattern. > > Anybody? > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > ===== "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 14:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NJPMRb024783 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:25:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NJOT2L001985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NJOIun092113; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NJO5lQ091980 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-5-36.s1306.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.36] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CsnL9-0003hI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: <41F3F9CD.5050102@erols.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:23:57 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200501191902.j0JJ27oC078633@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050119232033.02847ec0@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since we have been discussing cleaning furs. Are there any good tips to clean wool and canvas men's (fedora) hats? Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 14:38:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NJcVHj024874 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:38:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NJbj2L002621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:37:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NJbfkb099626; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NJbcWm099594 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-5-36.s1306.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.36] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CsnYH-0006Nz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <41F3FCFB.5080807@erols.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:37:31 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re Imperial measurement units: I recently was told a justification of why the Imperial system was used. The number units in the Imperial system were chosen so that when making a 1/2, n/4, n/8, etc. of a whole (larger) unit, you would have whole number of the smaller unit. Those 1/3 of a yard is 1 foot or 12 inch. (costume content) Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 16:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NLCC6C026245 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NLBO2L008710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NLBAfe051060; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0NLB6sL051008 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-16937); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:06:08 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:06:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050123125908.00d844a0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:10:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) In-Reply-To: <41F3FCFB.5080807@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:37 PM 1/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Re Imperial measurement units: > >I recently was told a justification of why the Imperial system was >used. The number units in the Imperial system were chosen so that when >making a 1/2, n/4, n/8, etc. of a whole (larger) unit, you would have >whole number of the smaller unit. Those 1/3 of a yard is 1 foot or 12 >inch. (costume content) > >Your humble and obediant servant, >David S Mallinak Actually, the Imperial system grew over time. It took quite a while before measurements were standardized among regions of England, let alone anywhere else. And the "convenient" mathematical units argument is definitely ex post facto. It sounds like an argument brought up after the metric system was proposed and started to become accepted outside of France. When I use patterns from The Workwoman's Guide (published in England in 1838), I use "nails", as well as quarter-yards. One nail - 2-1/4 inches; 4 nails = one-quarter yard, or nine inches. The linen fabric widths were almost always given in nails, not yards or inches. The Guide seldom includes inches or fractions of inches in describing seam allowances or turnbacks; the author used fractions of nails. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 18:32:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0NNW0rs027517 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:32:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NNV02L017631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NNUmnW029087; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0NNUksr029017 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.e1.b67194d (25508) for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:30:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:30:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, matchlck@erols.com writes: Are there any good tips to clean wool and canvas men's (fedora) hats? David--there are a couple of people here in the Washington area who clean and re-block men's wool hats. I can dig out the info. However, for do-it-yourself, I've had good luck sprinkling with cornmeal and then brushing with a suede brush. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 19:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O05pXU027693 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:05:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O0552L019938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O05130048336; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O04wZV048226 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([69.61.184.95]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050124000300.MNOS18019.smtp1.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:03:00 -0500 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([69.61.184.95]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050124000312.CBYS13012.gx4.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:03:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20050123185411.00b23ad0@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:54:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: "J.E. Marshall" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: cleaning fake fur In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-142B32EA X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Freezing it will not kill the spores of ringworm. Jennifer At 01:45 PM 1/19/05 -0600, you wrote: >Yes freezing it for about 24 hours should kill anything that is live, >but not sure if it will get the spores and ringworm is a fungus that can >be spread by spores.I suggest first get the fur cold then put in freezer >to reduce the amout of condensation that may form on the fur. But still >not sure if it will hurt the polyester back, think of all those hunters >that have heads mounted the taxidermist tends to put the heads in the >freezer until he has time to do them. I wish you luck. theresa > > >>> kathysmassmail@verizon.net 1/19/2005 1:38:05 PM >>> > > > I just bought some fake fur to play with, and am about to machine >wash it what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 20:17:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O1Hq3i028186 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O1Gm2L024758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:16:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O1GcAT093945; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O1GZpZ093868 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 225E118001C1 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:16:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Jan 2005 01:16:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 11130C6138; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-unknown" Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [149.169.241.49] by ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:16:30 -0500 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:16:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.49 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050124011630.11130C6138@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0O1GZpZ093868 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin To: "julian wilson" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:40:03 -0600 (CST) > Robin wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, julian wilson wrote: > > > For the entire 10yds, Robin.. > > Yow! That's a remarkably good price. Indeed! I have a sudden urge to travel to Jersey and do some fabric shopping :) -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 20:22:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O1MSw5028231 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:22:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O1Lq2L025044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:21:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O1LnLW096564; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O1I0TB094567 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0300425D5 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F44CA3.1040801@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:17:23 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > David--there are a couple of people here in the Washington area who clean > and re-block men's wool hats. I can dig out the info. However, for > do-it-yourself, I've had good luck sprinkling with cornmeal and then brushing with a > suede brush. What purpose does the cornmeal serve? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 23 20:46:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O1kaEK028459 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O1k12L026441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O1jvsI009006; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0O1jtKY008981 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:45:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-10365); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:54 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050123174436.00d7edc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats In-Reply-To: <41F44CA3.1040801@reddawn.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:17 PM 1/23/2005 -0600, you wrote: >AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > >>David--there are a couple of people here in the Washington area who clean >>and re-block men's wool hats. I can dig out the info. However, for >>do-it-yourself, I've had good luck sprinkling with cornmeal and >>then brushing with a suede brush. > >What purpose does the cornmeal serve? > >Dawn It basically absorbs any oily substances and can then be brushed off. It can also act as a very mild abrasive to help remove stuck-on stuff. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 00:02:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O52r3L030747 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:02:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O51k2L007273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O51GeP012408; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O51CEJ012308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0O6AQm7030515 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:10:27 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lyme disease - was re: OT: cleaning fake fur Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:22:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050121004433.65027.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050121004433.65027.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501240022.25009.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 20 January 2005 7:44 pm, Ann Catelli wrote: > --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > And one of the warning signs for Lime Disease (the > > bulls eye). > > Kathleen > > Lyme disease actually, named after some towns in > Connecticut (Old Lyme, Hadlyme, etc.) > > About 50% of cases get the bullseye rash. > > You must be cautious of ticks from most animals around > here in Connecticut, as birds and mammals, not to > mention the occasional grass stem, have the tiny deer > ticks. I think the tick that carries Lyme disease can be found all over the mid-Atlantic states; we have it in Pennsylvania as well. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 00:26:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0O5QAeY031345 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:26:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0O5PR2L008424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:25:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O5OtdP025067; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0O5OpkZ024978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:24:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0O6Y5wf031588 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:34:06 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 46 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:46:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <002401c4ffe6$1bd9dc40$206453d8@Kass> In-Reply-To: <002401c4ffe6$1bd9dc40$206453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501240046.04805.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 21 January 2005 1:21 pm, Kass McGann wrote: [snip] > The men's clothing is definitely better than the women's. I've found that's almost always true for Hollywood movies set in an era other than the present. "Hollywood and History" says quite a bit that relates to that general topic. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 06:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OBIvbm002958 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:18:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OBIC2L007211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:18:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OBI1R1024377; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OBHwhY024327 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:17:36 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Grid paper (was pattern review? (Going way OT To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979274F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Grid paper (was pattern review? (Going way OT thread-index: AcUBfn2kXXrsFsNTR6WfBmlXV+wb0wAh6DcQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/678/Fri Jan 21 20:20:18 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Try this link: > > > This website has graph paper you can print in many different sizes, > and also a program you can download to create your own. Many thanks, Mary, I've bookmarked it for future reference! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 09:18:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OEIkAC005862 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OEHP2L018368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:17:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OEHEsU053470; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OEHAVh053416 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0OEH4Ev018992 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:17:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050124091612.01f0c8f8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:17:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <20050123033336.33796.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price confirmed - To Kathy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not in Ontario... but is Central NY close enough? Bridgette / Mari >Heck, at this price I would be more than willing to go >in on purchasing a bolt of the stuff and split it up. >Anyone in Ontario interested? > >Kathy Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 12:39:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OHdnh5011072 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OHcnZj005030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OHbLkp076295; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OHajIM075721 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so4956wra for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:36:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LB8h13Z9l2K5Pz9R1pmnm9X3UHO5c0+2PTGJ1m1DSDS/1PAxtJZnpT2SZwLS0Iy+KE4NIkWPj7KptmlTwMGjbYldFj26aGocxlxCsKEdQGt0DDKXePHTNY1pcumE1ZEqw0U2wtiZDv2mZt0sYWK8hQ7vU1+m5+44D6DqZa9Sy8Y= Received: by 10.54.22.74 with SMTP id 74mr135685wrv; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.74 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:36:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0501240936440833c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:36:38 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050123174436.00d7edc0@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41F44CA3.1040801@reddawn.net> <4.2.2.20050123174436.00d7edc0@pop.surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And please remember to brush counter-clockwise with the nap of the hat NEVER scrub or you'll scrub an abrasion spot into your hat. LynnD On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:51 -0800, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 07:17 PM 1/23/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > > >>David--there are a couple of people here in the Washington area who clean > >>and re-block men's wool hats. I can dig out the info. However, for > >>do-it-yourself, I've had good luck sprinkling with cornmeal and > >>then brushing with a suede brush. > > > >What purpose does the cornmeal serve? > > > >Dawn > > It basically absorbs any oily substances and can then be brushed off. It > can also act as a very mild abrasive to help remove stuck-on stuff. > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 12:47:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OHlbMV011259 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OHl0Zj005992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OHkUNk084656; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OHiK4e082850 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:44:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050124174358.NWUC49.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c5023c$e40d5720$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050123174436.00d7edc0@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:48:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've used rolled oats too. It absorbs some of the heavier dirt and oil. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cleaning Hats At 07:17 PM 1/23/2005 -0600, you wrote: >AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > >>David--there are a couple of people here in the Washington area who clean >>and re-block men's wool hats. I can dig out the info. However, for >>do-it-yourself, I've had good luck sprinkling with cornmeal and >>then brushing with a suede brush. > >What purpose does the cornmeal serve? > >Dawn It basically absorbs any oily substances and can then be brushed off. It can also act as a very mild abrasive to help remove stuck-on stuff. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 13:02:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OI27AL011532 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OI1MZj007632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OI1DFQ097946; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OI18pB097735 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.145]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050124180103.XHNR1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c5023d$789ddf40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Historical Costuming and Hollywood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Found this recently, and thought I should pass it along: http://www.variety.com/ac2005_article/VR1117916046?nav=look Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 13:13:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OIDkE4011721 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:13:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OICVZj008925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OICRMb008230; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OICNrB008023 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 06AB814342E; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:12:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust77.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.77]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CAB0E1432EE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <11c901c50240$515eb190$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:12:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teddy" > > A tip about the taxes - sometimes, people are willing to mark the parcel > "gift" when they send it.... which gets you out of being stung for twice > the cost of the contents by the time you've paid taxes on top of the > shipping costs. > > It's always worth asking when you order the stuff. Some people will, > some people won't. My overseas customers (not that I've had many lately) get ticked because I refuse to mark things as 'gift'. Maybe that's why I haven't had many lately... =} Well, that or I've been spending all my time preparing my website etc for selling rather than actually selling, but it's funnier the other way. Julian posted about this fabric to the SCA-Garb Yahoo! group, and in that post he mentioned that: > Jersey is 0% rated for VAT or any other kind of Sales Tax > at the moment, so the only extras you would have to > consider would be Shipping and and Customs Duties and > State Import Taxes at your end. which is very good to know! Actually--and I hope Julian doesn't mind--I'm going to repost his message here in my next post, since it's handy to have it all in one dose rather than having to save several posts to get all the pertinant info. And thank you again so much, Julian! When I order, I'm going to tell them that you should start getting a commission on your sales. -E House, going to actually SELL some stuff this week so she can order vast amounts. Anyone need size 12 15thC ~middle-class clothing? =} (OK, OK, I'll post to the appropriate list in a little while.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 13:21:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OIL27b011834 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OIKAZj009899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:20:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OIK6Dg015472; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OIDhcQ009339 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id BBF4DB960; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:13:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust77.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.77]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 21EE1B790 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:13:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <11cd01c50240$881817d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:14:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 16:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO [Forwarded Message] From: julian wilson To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jersey source - Bishops' Lawn Linen. Dear Ladies of the SCA-Garb List, I have learned so much from kibitizting on your so-knowledgeable discussions about matters of fabric, cutting, sewing, patterns &c to do with XVth Century W; European clothing, that I'm minded to offer what I hope may be a very useful "TYVM" in return The Ladies of another medieval garb List to which I subscribe, mentioned they have found difficulty in finding sources for Bishops' Lawn Linen at reasonable prices. Well, quite by chance, I found myself using the stuff for handpainted medieval flags, and mentioned the fact on that List. A number of those Listers wanted to know where I bought it, and how much foit cost me per yard. So as a "thank you" for all the information I've garnerede for *your* discussions, and for the helpful answers to my few specific questions - for your List as well, here's my local source, and the price per yard. Bishops' Lawn Linen, [fine enought to read print through] 60" wide, uncoloured, has just cost me a total of £20.25 for a length of 10yds {I have two personal Battle Standards to paint before the end of May] - from Hamons' [Drapers] Ltd., "Victoria House", King Street, St. Helier, JE2 4WF, Jersey, C.I., U.K.. The Phone No. is area code 1534 - # 720331. The Price included a 10% discount - [which I did not expect to be offered - I am by no means a regular customer]. The Ladies of that other List seem to think that's a very good price for Bishops' lawn Linen. Jersey is 0% rated for VAT or any other kind of Sales Tax at the moment, so the only extras you would have to consider would be Shipping and and Customs Duties and State Import Taxes at your end. The shop is *very* old fashioned; tHamons' don't do credit card transactions even, - payment has to be either cheque or cash. And they don't have a computer, let alone a website. But if you want to order by means of phone and "snail Mail", Mr. Hamon will be delighted to meet your fabric needs by Mail Order. [ I asked him yesterday for the Ladies of the other List] Disclaimer - I have no connection with Hamons' Ltd save as a very satisfied, occasional customer. Besides which, there are very few taditional "olde Jersey" shops still run by old local Families* left in St. Helier, and I like to support those that remain. [NOTE * - The Hamon family appear to have come out of Normandy with The Conqueror, for their Arms are shown "aunciente" in the earliest *local* Roll that has survived in the States of Jersey Archives, - the "Extente" of 1331.] Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 17:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OM0wEh013954 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OM0JZj005275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:00:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OLwXra018723; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OLw9PY018328 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050124215711.PEGQ15212.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c50260$4413ee40$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <11cd01c50240$881817d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:01:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I suppose he would prefer payment in UK Moneyorders instead of foreign checks or moneyorders as the banks charge a fortune to cash them. I was wondering if he would mind setting up a paypal account for foreign purchases?? Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. [Forwarded Message] From: julian wilson To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jersey source - Bishops' Lawn Linen. Dear Ladies of the SCA-Garb List, I have learned so much from kibitizting on your so-knowledgeable discussions about matters of fabric, cutting, sewing, patterns &c to do with XVth Century W; European clothing, that I'm minded to offer what I hope may be a very useful "TYVM" in return The Ladies of another medieval garb List to which I subscribe, mentioned they have found difficulty in finding sources for Bishops' Lawn Linen at reasonable prices. Well, quite by chance, I found myself using the stuff for handpainted medieval flags, and mentioned the fact on that List. A number of those Listers wanted to know where I bought it, and how much foit cost me per yard. So as a "thank you" for all the information I've garnerede for *your* discussions, and for the helpful answers to my few specific questions - for your List as well, here's my local source, and the price per yard. Bishops' Lawn Linen, [fine enought to read print through] 60" wide, uncoloured, has just cost me a total of £20.25 for a length of 10yds {I have two personal Battle Standards to paint before the end of May] - from Hamons' [Drapers] Ltd., "Victoria House", King Street, St. Helier, JE2 4WF, Jersey, C.I., U.K.. The Phone No. is area code 1534 - # 720331. The Price included a 10% discount - [which I did not expect to be offered - I am by no means a regular customer]. The Ladies of that other List seem to think that's a very good price for Bishops' lawn Linen. Jersey is 0% rated for VAT or any other kind of Sales Tax at the moment, so the only extras you would have to consider would be Shipping and and Customs Duties and State Import Taxes at your end. The shop is *very* old fashioned; tHamons' don't do credit card transactions even, - payment has to be either cheque or cash. And they don't have a computer, let alone a website. But if you want to order by means of phone and "snail Mail", Mr. Hamon will be delighted to meet your fabric needs by Mail Order. [ I asked him yesterday for the Ladies of the other List] Disclaimer - I have no connection with Hamons' Ltd save as a very satisfied, occasional customer. Besides which, there are very few taditional "olde Jersey" shops still run by old local Families* left in St. Helier, and I like to support those that remain. [NOTE * - The Hamon family appear to have come out of Normandy with The Conqueror, for their Arms are shown "aunciente" in the earliest *local* Roll that has survived in the States of Jersey Archives, - the "Extente" of 1331.] Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 17:11:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0OMB01K013998 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OM9xZj006249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OM9qrB029913; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0OM9jxw029701 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050124220914.HNKJ18498.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c50261$f32ca600$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <11cd01c50240$881817d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:13:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh I completely forgot to thank you again for sharing I wish more people would share their sources. I have no problem with people not sending items as gifts because if customs opens them to finds a bill or receipt you can get in big trouble. I just hate it when I get it cheaper than retail price and they declare it for the retail price. The for duty price is what you paid for an item not what the seller thinks it's worth. If I remember right I did not pay any duty when I imported the linen from the states just a whooping brokerage fee from UPS for $36.00 instead of $5.00 brokerage fee for Canadian mail service. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. [Forwarded Message] From: julian wilson To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jersey source - Bishops' Lawn Linen. Dear Ladies of the SCA-Garb List, I have learned so much from kibitizting on your so-knowledgeable discussions about matters of fabric, cutting, sewing, patterns &c to do with XVth Century W; European clothing, that I'm minded to offer what I hope may be a very useful "TYVM" in return The Ladies of another medieval garb List to which I subscribe, mentioned they have found difficulty in finding sources for Bishops' Lawn Linen at reasonable prices. Well, quite by chance, I found myself using the stuff for handpainted medieval flags, and mentioned the fact on that List. A number of those Listers wanted to know where I bought it, and how much foit cost me per yard. So as a "thank you" for all the information I've garnerede for *your* discussions, and for the helpful answers to my few specific questions - for your List as well, here's my local source, and the price per yard. Bishops' Lawn Linen, [fine enought to read print through] 60" wide, uncoloured, has just cost me a total of £20.25 for a length of 10yds {I have two personal Battle Standards to paint before the end of May] - from Hamons' [Drapers] Ltd., "Victoria House", King Street, St. Helier, JE2 4WF, Jersey, C.I., U.K.. The Phone No. is area code 1534 - # 720331. The Price included a 10% discount - [which I did not expect to be offered - I am by no means a regular customer]. The Ladies of that other List seem to think that's a very good price for Bishops' lawn Linen. Jersey is 0% rated for VAT or any other kind of Sales Tax at the moment, so the only extras you would have to consider would be Shipping and and Customs Duties and State Import Taxes at your end. The shop is *very* old fashioned; tHamons' don't do credit card transactions even, - payment has to be either cheque or cash. And they don't have a computer, let alone a website. But if you want to order by means of phone and "snail Mail", Mr. Hamon will be delighted to meet your fabric needs by Mail Order. [ I asked him yesterday for the Ladies of the other List] Disclaimer - I have no connection with Hamons' Ltd save as a very satisfied, occasional customer. Besides which, there are very few taditional "olde Jersey" shops still run by old local Families* left in St. Helier, and I like to support those that remain. [NOTE * - The Hamon family appear to have come out of Normandy with The Conqueror, for their Arms are shown "aunciente" in the earliest *local* Roll that has survived in the States of Jersey Archives, - the "Extente" of 1331.] Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", in "olde" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 18:37:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ONbIgh014457 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:37:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ONaTZj015361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:36:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0ONaL4p008230; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0ONaHpP008173 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:36:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAU001LVHJI67@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.46] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.72.147]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:35:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:35:42 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. To: Historical Costume Message-id: <6d3cf16d8dcf.6d8dcf6d3cf1@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OR - this is a thought - someone close to the source could set up a pay pal acct and then take the cash to the store? also, do US banks write out Cashiers Checks in UK funds?? Just checking so I can make his life easier when I send in an order.. Katheryne (who tries to trim her posts) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edith Reardon > I suppose he would prefer payment in UK Moneyorders instead of foreign > checks or moneyorders as the banks charge a fortune to cash them. > I was wondering if he would mind setting up a paypal account for foreign > purchases?? > Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 18:57:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0ONvYbO014523 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ONuxZj016955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0ONutnT029170; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:56:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0ONukM6028963 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 23:56:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050124235526.01499180@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:58:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. In-Reply-To: <6d3cf16d8dcf.6d8dcf6d3cf1@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:35 24/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >OR - this is a thought - someone close to the source could set up a pay >pal acct and then take the cash to the store? > >also, do US banks write out Cashiers Checks in UK funds?? > >Just checking so I can make his life easier when I send in an order.. > >Katheryne >(who tries to trim her posts) I occasionally used to do work for people in the U.S. and always insisted on Banker's Drafts in Sterling. Banks are unhappy about doing it, some don't even know how (really??), but it meant that I didn't have to pay the iniquitous amount that the banks charge for changing money. However, it does mean that the purchaser pays for it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 19:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P04TZh014554 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:04:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P03mZj017499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P03jOk034725; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P02x97033958 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050125000254.VNEU8656.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c50271$d38388e0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6d3cf16d8dcf.6d8dcf6d3cf1@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:07:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I can get UK Moneyorders or Cashier Checks from the banks in Canada. The post office is suppose to offer them here but they don't seem to have them. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. OR - this is a thought - someone close to the source could set up a pay pal acct and then take the cash to the store? also, do US banks write out Cashiers Checks in UK funds?? Just checking so I can make his life easier when I send in an order.. Katheryne (who tries to trim her posts) ----- Original Message ----- From: Edith Reardon > I suppose he would prefer payment in UK Moneyorders instead of foreign > checks or moneyorders as the banks charge a fortune to cash them. > I was wondering if he would mind setting up a paypal account for foreign > purchases?? > Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 19:44:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P0ifDO014806 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:44:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P0hmZj020790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:43:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P0hdsB065035; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P0hYjq064926 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1f0.33ff55d4 (4340) for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:43:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.33ff55d4.2f26f02a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:43:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Costuming and Hollywood To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I couldn't read it....all that opening stuff about St. Mel's "The Passion". I thought it about as accurate as "The Ten Commandments"....no matter who you were...Senator, soldier, peasant, Pharisee, you were wearing layers and layers and layers of nubby fabric. Yuk! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 20:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P1Nm60015292 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P1NDZj023281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P1N2na097358; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P1MwTS097290 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12228 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:33:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:33:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050124235526.01499180@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: > I occasionally used to do work for people in the U.S. and always > insisted on Banker's Drafts in Sterling. Banks are unhappy about doing > it, some don't even know how (really??), but it meant that I didn't > have to pay the iniquitous amount that the banks charge for changing > money. However, it does mean that the purchaser pays for it. When I was living near Washington, D.C., I got all my international cheques from Reusch International Monetary Services, at 14th and I Streets. I'd usually phone in advance to order the check, then pick it up at the window. Cost just a few dollars -- a huge savings over the double-digit fees my bank would have charged. Even after I moved away, I found it was cheaper to call Reusch, ask them to cut a check for me, and then mail the payment and get the check via mail. Been a while since I've needed one, so I can't vouch this information is current. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 21:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P2oUfa016579 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P2nfZj028835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:49:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P2nWf2058109; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:49:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P2nTcY058056 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0P2nPgV006311 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:49:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124204302.01fa9a20@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:46:16 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know, I just realized I might be able to get a reasonable substitute (I really want the real thing but for this project I am willing to with a close approximation). When I was in England I was able to get some Burberry wool that had been made shiny - not as shiny as those lovely quilts but a lot shinier than wool normally is. The only trouble was the only available colour was black (which I haven't seen used to line petticoats in the few examples I've seen). Hmmm, I'm going to see if I can chase down some other Burberry wools - if anyone finds something similar please let us know! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:05:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P35STR016771 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:05:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P34ZZj000972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P34V5o068449; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P34QO3068345 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0P31SI06400 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:01:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F5B863.6060603@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:23 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fw: Bishops' Lawn Linen -shipping ad stuff. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050124235526.01499180@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050124235526.01499180@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Getting a check in foreign currency (in the US) depends on the financial institution. I *can't* get them at my Credit Union, nor can I get them at the smaller branches of the bank that our local SCA group uses. I *can*, however, get them at the *main* branch of our SCA bank, which, coincidentally (or perhaps not), is where I also had to go to order foreign currency in cash (euros and pounds) when I went to England and Ireland a few years ago. I'm assuming, here, that because I could purchase a check in Canadian funds there, I could also do something similar for other countries.... And no, I don't think it was cheap, but it can be done. --sue Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 18:35 24/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >> OR - this is a thought - someone close to the source could set up a >> pay pal acct and then take the cash to the store? >> >> also, do US banks write out Cashiers Checks in UK funds?? >> >> Just checking so I can make his life easier when I send in an order.. >> >> Katheryne >> (who tries to trim her posts) > > > > I occasionally used to do work for people in the U.S. and always > insisted on Banker's Drafts in Sterling. Banks are unhappy about doing > it, some don't even know how (really??), but it meant that I didn't have > to pay the iniquitous amount that the banks charge for changing money. > However, it does mean that the purchaser pays for it. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:07:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P37YaR016813 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:07:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P36lZj001155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:06:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P36lOo070036; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P34Xte068467 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0P34PgV015687 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:04:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124205103.0118f970@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:55:38 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? In-Reply-To: <3k70il$j7r2qq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:06 PM 1/18/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History pattern >for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and Petticote). I want >to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying a pattern (this seems >to be the only one out there) or drafting up from Janet Arnold. The Great >Pattern Review did not include this pattern. > >Anybody? > > >******************************************************************* > >Rebecca Schmitt I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in the most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never heard of before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give you another option at least. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:20:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3KFm5017014 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3JcZj002313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:19:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3JYWk078604; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3JTA3078530 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0P3JQWk023926 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:19:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124210834.01fb3238@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:09:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Silk shag was Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: References: <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> <41ef0193.429e.0@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HI Chris, I think you are thinking of the Jane Lambarde mantle with the red silk shag border? http://www.thedrapers.co.uk/History/2d_Rm1.html Cheers, Danielle At 07:10 PM 1/19/2005 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:55 AM +0000 1/20/05, roscelin wrote: >> I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the issue of fabric >> paint/ing. >> I think I know what I will be doing now. And I plan on doing some research >>that was mentioned. Thanks again! >> Now, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed or not. Was fur >> ever dyed >>in the Renaissance period? For example, a white fur to green? Curious >>because >>of an an outfit that someone wants done with possible green fake fur >>(couldn't >>afford real fur at the time). > >I don't recall ever seeing fur dyed a non-natural color like green, but >there _is_ a period sort of "fake fur" that can be any color, namely silk >shag. It's fabric with a silk pile -- not sure how it's created, whether >it's woven in or added later like constructing a sewn rug. > >If I remember correctly, there's a surviving mantle lined with *pink* silk >shag somewhere, together with a portrait where the person being portrayed >is wearing the same mantle. The usual sieve-brain syndrome means I can't >remember where I saw it or what the date was, but I _think_ it was >Renaissance -- does anyone with a better mental cross-index know what >garment I'm talking about and where to find it? >-- >____________________________________________________________ > >O Chris Laning - Davis, California >+ http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com >____________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3ZFUB017229 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3YcZj003325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3YYa9088620; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3YTkY088556 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0P3O3xG004527 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:24:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124212231.0118f800@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:24:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: shag was Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> References: <41F112EF.5030501@in-tch.com> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, the closest thing I've ever seen to the "period" shag was an Italian long-piled cotton velvet. It was perfect but I was broke. You might try some of the high-end upholstery textiles - you might be able to find the stuff. Cheers, Danielle At 07:01 AM 1/21/2005 -0800, you wrote: >There are several references to night-gowns and loose gowns lined with >silk shag in QEWU (pg. 139 et seq.). And figure 225 shows the inside of a >loose gown lined with grey silk shag (c. 1605-15). There is even a >reference on page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one >paire lyned with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother >paire lyned with shagge." The pink silk shag that has been referred to is >the lining of Jane Lambarde's crimson velvet mantle (decorated with silver >and gold bobbin lace with silver spangles!), c. 1600-28; there is a >portrait of Jane Lambarde wearing the mantle. These are in QEWU on page >321, figures 414 and 415. >I wouldn't recommend that inexpensive fake fur be used to get the look of >shag, though. To get the right look you will probably need the high end stuff. >Joan Jurancich >Sacramento, CA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:37:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3bUs4017261 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3aaZj003501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3aYtc089922; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3YYXU088611 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0P3O3xK004527 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:24:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124213006.011a8a10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:46 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... In-Reply-To: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:03 PM 1/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. > >Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' >Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' >Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) > >Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at >home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and >forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the >meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing >something really fiddly. > >Sheridan ROFLOL! Too true, and to make matters worse, some fabric stores (at least in Toronto) sell in meters and some in yards, with a couple that will sell it to you in either measurement. I eventually got into the habit of figuring out what I needed in yards and bought that amount in whatever unit of measurement was available, the extra one would get with meters was never a problem. : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:50:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3oeJs017461 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3mnZj004602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3mITq097828; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3mFRC097792 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CtHgc-0003K9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <41F5C183.9000804@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:48:19 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: shag was Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <41F112EF.5030501@in-tch.com> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <5.0.0.25.2.20050124212231.0118f800@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124212231.0118f800@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You know that shag looks a lot like long haired goat..(mohair?) You can buy large pelts of if fairly cheaply...but it is kind of a circumlocution....imitating "fake" fur with hair...??? Sg Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Actually, the closest thing I've ever seen to the "period" shag was an > Italian long-piled cotton velvet. It was perfect but I was broke. > You might try some of the high-end upholstery textiles - you > might be able to find the stuff. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 07:01 AM 1/21/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >> There are several references to night-gowns and loose gowns lined >> with silk shag in QEWU (pg. 139 et seq.). And figure 225 shows the >> inside of a loose gown lined with grey silk shag (c. 1605-15). There >> is even a reference on page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte >> Taffata, the one paire lyned with skarlet and in the soles with >> carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned with shagge." The pink silk >> shag that has been referred to is the lining of Jane Lambarde's >> crimson velvet mantle (decorated with silver and gold bobbin lace >> with silver spangles!), c. 1600-28; there is a portrait of Jane >> Lambarde wearing the mantle. These are in QEWU on page 321, figures >> 414 and 415. >> I wouldn't recommend that inexpensive fake fur be used to get the >> look of shag, though. To get the right look you will probably need >> the high end stuff. >> Joan Jurancich >> Sacramento, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:53:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3qxJO017506 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:53:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3qKZj004809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3qER3000564; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:52:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0P3qBMP000524 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:52:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-6116); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:47:13 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:47:13 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050124195011.00d9d540@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:52:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124213006.011a8a10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> References: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:32 PM 1/24/2005 -0600, you wrote: >ROFLOL! Too true, and to make matters worse, some fabric stores (at least >in Toronto) sell in meters and some in yards, with a couple that will sell >it to you in either measurement. I eventually got into the habit of >figuring out what I needed in yards and bought that amount in whatever >unit of measurement was available, the extra one would get with meters was >never a problem. : ) > >Cheers, >Danielle Then, of course, you get Fabrics.com (Phoenix Textiles) using their "39-inch yard" (a meter in all but name ) for the first 12 yards of any order. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 22:57:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P3viO2017593 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P3v4Zj005007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3v19b003600; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from peaches.princessharold.net (haroldk-host177.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P3uxeu003559 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gwen@princessharold.net) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (bob.princessharold.net [192.168.0.4]) by peaches.princessharold.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBED901 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:15:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.2]); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:57:12 -0600 Message-ID: <41F5C38E.2030306@princessharold.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:57:02 -0600 From: Gwen Kachelmyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corset question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HI all! I've been a lurker for a few months, but I've got a question about a Victorian corset I'm going to make. I'm using Past Patterns # 213, the Late Victorian Corset and the pattern calls for lots of bone casings on the outside of the corset. I've made one that way of plain canvas, but for my next one I've got a neat pattern on the fabric that I don't want obscured. since the outer fabric is kind of lightweight I'd been planning to interline it anyway and I was thinking of doing 2 layers of a mid-weight cotton twill and just sandwich the boning between the 2 layers. the outer fabric will still be pieced but then I'll still see the design. I was thinking of doing a cotton sateen lining for the inside, but I'm not decided about that. Does this sound like a plausible plan, or an I out of my tiny mind? I'm really hoping I can make this work since the outer fabric was originally $18.00 a yard and I got it for a little less than 1/2 price, but I didn't get enough to do anything besides a corset. Gwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 23:02:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P42kY5017668 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:02:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P428Zj005467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P424g6006957; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0P421Tn006886 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73015 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2005 04:01:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5m+CVw2F+Zgh6Taz5DETa4DLl77T0Xb2fmBaSNGvu/2v6P7WKgDVY2RUmPUdJLAahkhiEwtTCnYiOzyFe03fJ+lO2pcHp3YTlOyibSV1dLeMJKNGji6W66hsCMG/dktBffYiVp3dCJ7R/7lmE8b6xo+Or466Y8h7LBiloaD5JwQ= ; Message-ID: <20050125040156.73013.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.237.35.194] by web51309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:01:56 PST Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm a time = distance person, too; Boston is '2 hours' away. Perhaps it came from Canada with my great-grandparents, but they certainly got rid of the French fairly fast; I'm not sure what else may have been retained. & I try not to say, 'eh?' My degrees are in chemistry, so I have a grasp of fairly small things in metric. But all my thinking is English units. Ann in CT, USA descendent of a master tailor of the city of Paris, now living in the city of Quebec, who was also referred to as a pourpointier, mid-seventeenth century --- Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: > 'Oh, about 10 miles.' > Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 > kilometers.' > Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) > > Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric > system in school, but at > home everyone still used the US Imperial. > > Sheridan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 24 23:37:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P4bgid018242 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P4auZj007721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P4am9S028704; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.215]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P4ajlB028622 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from mxip07.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0P4abNx025686 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:36:37 -0500 Received: from c68.185.168.55.mad.wi.charter.com (HELO OurComputer) (68.185.168.55) by mxip07.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2005 23:36:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3khj1h$grnp8a@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.88,150,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="565961994:sNHT13545068" From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern review? Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:36:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124205103.0118f970@pop-server.mn.rr.com> thread-index: AcUCiwbvL7vKkG7CSsS2PLlflH/SzwADBbwQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I took a look at this site as well, but it definitely states that it is only inspired by the historical look and is not to be used for reproductions. I want to use this as a jacket to top off a Flemish working-woman's outfit for ~1575, so I'm looking for the closest to period pattern. I am leaning toward scaling up Janet Arnold right now. After looking at it more closely, it doesn't look to terribly difficult...just time consuming. ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? At 06:06 PM 1/18/2005 -0600, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has used the Reconstructing History >pattern for a Jacobean Jacket (they call it English Jackets and >Petticote). I want to make a jacket like this and am debating on buying >a pattern (this seems to be the only one out there) or drafting up from >Janet Arnold. The Great Pattern Review did not include this pattern. > >Anybody? > > >******************************************************************* > >Rebecca Schmitt I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in the most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never heard of before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give you another option at least. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 00:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P5Yfxh019083 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:34:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P5Y5Zj011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P5XwK5062939; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P5XuvV062844 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:33:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.148.3cd05020 (4584) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <148.3cd05020.2f27343b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:33:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Polished cotton X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know a method of polishing cotton? A friend of mine needs some of a certain color that she's never been able to find. I said I'd ask here if anyone knew how to make it. Thanks. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 04:52:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0P9qBwU002839 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:52:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0P9pPZj024285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:51:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P9pCa3014382; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P9p9nb014338 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:51:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9741836508 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:51:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p323.socket.net [64.85.215.69]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6920FC438 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:51:06 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:51:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen . X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've looked over previous emails and have found my answer. Does BL linen come in colors like red and yellow? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 05:08:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PA8q19005319 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:08:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PA85Zj024957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PA81hJ024551; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PA7w6J024512 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:07:55 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979275F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here) thread-index: AcUCQdTlCS98+C71Txu7Rr4aOd+HVQAg3cDg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The Guide seldom includes inches or fractions of inches in describing... What a shame.... I would have been nice to have seen fractions of inches used with the names for cuch measurement units (for example, 3 barlycorns = one inch) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 05:26:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PAQ12D009711 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PAPOZj026375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PAPIIx035386; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PAPHvq035365 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:25:15 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792761@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] pattern review? thread-index: AcUCkCbft1nYXEd5Tia6JcUxr0nsIAAN8dWg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in the > most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert > section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never heard of > before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. > http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm > > Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give you > another option at least. Pretty, but looks like a modern cut was used - princess seams. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 09:22:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PEMjKs023761 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:22:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PEKUZj010862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PEKAeC081778; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0PEK3Mo081673 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:20:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 14:20:02 -0000 Message-ID: <41F65595.4000309@fenris.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:20:05 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792761@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792761@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > >>I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in > > the > >>most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert >>section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never > > heard of > >>before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. >>http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm >> >>Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give > > you > >>another option at least. > > > Pretty, but looks like a modern cut was used - princess seams. > > Teddy Yeah, says "contempoary fit" on the site. Would be a nice pattern for funky modern clothes, though. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 09:30:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PEUVMj023919 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:30:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PETdZj011677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PETaCX088575; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PERxnM087424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:3712 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtRfe-0008A3-AR for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:27:54 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0OFYCD2054903 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0OFYC35054902 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501241534.j0OFYC35054902@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: cleaning fake fur In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050123185411.00b23ad0@pop.fuse.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Freezing it will not kill the spores of ringworm. (Jerusha puts on her botanist hat and becomes Susan ...) Herbarium specimens are routinely frozed when exchanged or before filing to kill critters both mold, and bug eggs, etc. However, we freeze in -20C freezers which is significantly colder than your average deep freeze freezer. BTW, the only cases that I've ever gotten of ringworm, I've picked up from my cats. Susan (Jerusha in the SCA) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 09:41:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PEffJR024137 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:41:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PEf0Zj012540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PEeu0p096934; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PEepCl096814 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0PEeZEj021552 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:35:23 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501250339.j0P3dN0F091766@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/682/Mon Jan 24 11:53:43 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: dawn anderson designs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Daniell wrote: > > I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in the > most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert > section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never heard of > before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. > http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm > > Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give you > another option at least. Hm, those are interesting patterns. For those who haven't checked, there are two on the site -- one for the jacket and the other for a "Rococo blouse." Both are modern designs based on historical garments. The site says specifically that they aren't for historic recreations. I wondered what other people's impressions are. The garments made up and shown in the pictures aren't very attractive. Is it that the pictures aren't particularly good, or that the fabrics are too stiff, or that they are not fitted enough? My first impression is that they have a modern wearing ease, but the fabrics they're made up in are not drapey, so they look too big. I think they might be attractive if made up in different fabrics, or if fitted a bit more in those fabrics. The blouse, in particular, might be a good one for people who want something "historically inspired" -- for working in a gift shop at a museum, or selling things at a street fair -- but don't want an actual historic recreation. Just musing ... Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 13:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PIRD2J027868 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:27:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PIM8aY008167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:25:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PIFb4s086020; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:15:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PIFXpf085819 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ACBA165C009A; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:15:22 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 25 Jan 05 18:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c50309$f5c45180$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050116164954.019e1168@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20050124204302.01fa9a20@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:16:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 03:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 03:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been perusing Costume up Close (Baumgarten) again and the two petticoats she describes are satin on the outside and worsted or glazed wool lining. Would this make a difference for your project? If you used a shear weight wool for the backing, how would this change the overall look...except for duplicating the original? Kathleen Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for glazed wool - 18th c. quilted petticoat > You know, I just realized I might be able to get a reasonable substitute (I > really want the real thing but for this project I am willing to with a > close approximation). When I was in England I was able to get some > Burberry wool that had been made shiny - not as shiny as those lovely > quilts but a lot shinier than wool normally is. The only trouble was the > only available colour was black (which I haven't seen used to line > petticoats in the few examples I've seen). Hmmm, I'm going to see if I can > chase down some other Burberry wools - if anyone finds something similar > please let us know! > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 14:00:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PJ022U028026 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:00:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PIq8c8011454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PIX7Dq002015; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PIX4S4001871 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0D8D60005A; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:32:56 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 25 Jan 05 18:32:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c5030c$6a355c60$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: dawn anderson designs Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:33:48 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 03:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 03:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The fit was what bothered me. The model is apparently longer waisted than the garment allows, and the wings seem ready to fly. A modern look to be sure. Compare this with the nice models in the latest "Piecework " that are from the V&A, one can easily pick out the recreations ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: dawn anderson designs > > Daniell wrote: > > > > > I haven't tried it but I do know Kass does good research. Anyway, in the > > most recent issue of Threads (IIRC) there was an advert in the advert > > section for a pattern for those jackets from a company I had never heard of > > before...just a moment I will see if I can find it. > > http://www.dawnandersondesigns.com/patterns/501_Jacobean_Jacket.htm > > > > Can't say I know anyone who has tried either of them but it does give you > > another option at least. > > Hm, those are interesting patterns. For those who haven't checked, there are > two on the site -- one for the jacket and the other for a "Rococo blouse." > Both are modern designs based on historical garments. The site says > specifically that they aren't for historic recreations. > > I wondered what other people's impressions are. The garments made up and > shown in the pictures aren't very attractive. Is it that the pictures aren't > particularly good, or that the fabrics are too stiff, or that they are not > fitted enough? My first impression is that they have a modern wearing ease, > but the fabrics they're made up in are not drapey, so they look too big. I > think they might be attractive if made up in different fabrics, or if fitted > a bit more in those fabrics. The blouse, in particular, might be a good one > for people who want something "historically inspired" -- for working in a > gift shop at a museum, or selling things at a street fair -- but don't want > an actual historic recreation. > > Just musing ... > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 15:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PKOJlW028484 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:24:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PKNLZj022327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKN2Pp094352; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKMwMY094239 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51D740DD for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA0B16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:52 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:51 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:22:29 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA22ED@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lining & bag lining Thread-Index: AcUAF15BSuMO6vJPQU69P7oZT4yAOwDAtW7Q From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 20:22:51.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[A50EFB70:01C5031B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0PKMwMY094239 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I'll have to go look it up -- I know it was something about humors -- > > but in my mind I have it filed under "Medieval health recommendations: > > If allergic to wool, line it with linen" and I _know_ it wasn't phrased > > that way in the book! Sorry for taking so long to get back with the reference -- I keep forgetting to bring the book to my e-mail account... Robin, you're quite right, the reference was in _The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti_ (translated by Judith Spencer), not in _A Medieval Book of Seasons_ (which only mentions wool in the context of when shearing happens). Nor, in the translation is it a clear reference to lining as my memory made it out to be. Here's the text from page 93 of my copy: "Woolen Clothes "Vestis lanea "Clothes are suited to praeparatio aeri, or the adaptation of the climate to life, which is one of the seven things essential to good health. Clothes made of wool, whose nature is warm and dry, are beneficial in the winter to old people, life in northern regions, cold constitutions, all things that, of the four elements, correspond to water. These clothes, especially those in fine Flemish wool which are to be preferred, draw the inner heat from the body and keep it warm. The advantage of wool can also be a disadvantage: as too much warmth is harmful, wear a thin linen garment under the wool." _The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti_ also has short paragraphs on both silk and linen clothes if anyone is interested in those. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 15:30:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PKUFjs028522 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:30:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PKTPZj022951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKT1QP099732; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKQ7EY096951 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAW007NI3ERMK@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.139] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.202]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:25:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:25:39 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... To: Historical Costume Message-id: <7729c476d3b6.76d3b67729c4@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I grew up in very suburbia where distance was done in time not miles also. It'll take you about 20 min to get there,, it's only 10 min down the road,, 1/2 hr to go full 'round the block,,, Katheryne who thought nothing of it till she went to college. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann Catelli > I'm a time = distance person, too; Boston is '2 hours' away. > Perhaps it came from Canada with my great-grandparents, but they certainly got rid of the French fairly fast; I'm not sure what else may have been retained. > & I try not to say, 'eh?' > Ann in CT, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 15:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PKcgYS028571 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PKbwZj024113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:37:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKbmGK007783; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:37:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PKZ7VX005400 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20884 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:46:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:46:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robin To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA22ED@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > "Woolen Clothes > "Vestis lanea > > "Clothes are suited to praeparatio aeri, or the adaptation of the > climate to life, which is one of the seven things essential to good > health. Clothes made of wool, whose nature is warm and dry, are > beneficial in the winter to old people, life in northern regions, cold > constitutions, all things that, of the four elements, correspond to > water. These clothes, especially those in fine Flemish wool which are > to be preferred, draw the inner heat from the body and keep it warm. > The advantage of wool can also be a disadvantage: as too much warmth > is harmful, wear a thin linen garment under the wool." It's worth noting that there are five surviving 14th c. copies (that I know of) of this book, and the text varies slightly, having been translated from Arabic into Italian at that time. Then, for the modern publications, it has been translated into English. So the descriptions differ, sometimes in crucial details. The original might have been "linen layer" or just "linen under the wool" or any of a variety of things -- without checking the originals, I wouldn't know. I have several translations of several of the passages from a different source, but don't remember offhand whether I have more than one translation of Wool. I will look it up if people care, but not today. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 16:54:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PLsOag029055 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:54:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PLr9Zj003460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PLqp49071206; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PLeE9l060204 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d5.20552c52 (4380) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:40:01 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] special materials X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO i manufacture inflatable crinoline dresses, and of course use the airtight material,s such as rubberised fabric,s pvc, rubber,etc, but i have heard of a special balloon fabric, which i have been told would be ideal for my work,and besides being airtight it is ultra light, can anyone help me on what this fabric may be. thank,s pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 17:09:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PM9VK1029161 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PM89Zj005017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PM84DD084082; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PM7YWJ083596 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB3137615 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:00:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t3p186.socket.net [64.85.220.188]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 89225D3D1 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:00:30 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen( oops). Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:00:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- I've looked over previous emails and have 'not' found my answer. Does BL linen come in colors like red and yellow? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 17:11:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PMBtY2029170 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PMBKZj005433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PMBIG5087028; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PMAWC0086196 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] special material,s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO can anyone help with a discription of the special untralight balloon material that is also airtight, as i am told it will be ideal for my inflatable crinoline dresses that i manufacture, i need a material discription or information please pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 17:18:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PMI9DE029207 for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > The fit was what bothered me. The model is apparently longer waisted than > the garment allows, and the wings seem ready to fly. I think the angle of the photos is part of the problem, the photographer seems to be quite a bit shorter than the model, as the shot is angled so you can see the underside of those wings. If it were re-photographed I think it would look considerably better. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 17:32:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PMWYWI029338 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:32:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PMVnZj007960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:31:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PMVhhr004633; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0PMVbW0004475 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12358 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2005 22:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20050125223132.12356.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.57] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:31:32 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:31:32 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen( oops). To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote:-----Original Message----- I've looked over previous emails and have 'not' found my answer. Does BL linen come in colors like red and yellow? De Dear De, every time I've bought it at Hamons, I've only been offered what I would call "white"; - but that hasn't bothered me; "white" is fine for my Character's medieval shirts, and for the flags which I colour with fabric paints anyway. Whether it is obtainable in colours ex-Mill, - is a question you'll have to ask Mr. Hamon direct - unless any other Lister come-up with an answer. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 17:37:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PMbwER029494 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:37:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PMavZj008624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:36:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PMar75008846; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PMaorj008789 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.80] (p16.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.80]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0PMZ4c23032 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:35:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <83067F22-6F22-11D9-B5D7-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:43:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm really curious about your inflatable dresses. What are they for? On Jan 25, 2005, at 2:40 PM, KV59213@aol.com wrote: > i manufacture inflatable crinoline dresses, and of course use the > airtight > material,s such as rubberised fabric,s pvc, rubber,etc, but i have > heard of a > special balloon fabric, which i have been told would be ideal for my > work,and > besides being airtight it is ultra light, > can anyone help me on what this fabric may be. > thank,s pippa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 18:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0PNK7Wg030415 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:20:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0PNJNZj014631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:19:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PNJDVE043465; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0PNJAaH043414 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.186]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CtZxk-0002A0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:19:08 -0800 Message-ID: <8340644.1106695148484.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:19:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, good. I thought I was just stupid. The mental images... I keep picturing Scarlet floating away from Tara....... Liadain very VERY curious -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Jan 25, 2005 3:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials I'm really curious about your inflatable dresses. What are they for? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jan 25 21:21:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0Q2LvSB003494 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0Q2KjZj029254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0Q2KXvV049029; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0Q2KLB9048875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0Q3TiQk014531 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:29:44 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: dawn anderson designs Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:41:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501252141.42724.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/684/Tue Jan 25 10:41:07 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 25 January 2005 9:35 am, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: [snip] > Hm, those are interesting patterns. For those who haven't checked, there > are two on the site -- one for the jacket and the other for a "Rococo > blouse." Both are modern designs based on historical garments. The site > says specifically that they aren't for historic recreations. > > I wondered what other people's impressions are. The garments made up and > shown in the pictures aren't very attractive. Is it that the pictures > aren't particularly good, or that the fabrics are too stiff, or that they > are not fitted enough? I think you hit the nail on the head above. The patterns attempt to mix modern features (wearing ease) with genuine 17thc ones (slightly raised waist, close fitting sleeves) and the result looks *wrong*. It's not period, and it's too odd to be attractive as modern garments. Neither fish nor flesh nor good salt herring. I'd rather have a serious recreation effort, any day. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 08:44:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QDi6bQ010155 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QDhHZj011349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:43:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QDgVNp097408; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QDgTr2097353 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:42:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:42:25 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:41:50 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok did I miss something? Did you get an explaination of what they were for or just glad someone else questioned about the inflatable dresses? and yes I am very curious theresa >>> hardcorps@earthlink.net 1/25/2005 5:19:08 PM >>> Oh, good. I thought I was just stupid. The mental images... I keep picturing Scarlet floating away from Tara....... Liadain very VERY curious -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Jan 25, 2005 3:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials I'm really curious about your inflatable dresses. What are they for? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 15:09:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QK9dgk014303 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:09:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QK8QZj022264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QK88WE014867; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81009.mail.yahoo.com (web81009.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0QJupAh004829 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from altablue@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050126195642.33951.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.194.45.2] by web81009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:56:42 PST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: Heather Smart To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Anyone researched the United States Continental Marines? My father will join a local group re-enacting the Marines part in the American Revolution. (My dad is USMC retired after 27 years. Reenacting the American Revolution is a perfect activity for him even though he is not from this country. He acts as if he won the Lottery!) Here is a page with some graphics http://www.acidus.com/Continental_Marines.html I have two questions: First: What modern fabrics would be a good choice for this outfit (especially the coat)? I am finding differences of opinion even among USMC re enactors and historians. Some say broadcloth. Some say only wool imported from England. I SAW one in polyester--and he was proud of it (shutter!). I guess I am asking what would be a reasonable replication in today’s fabrics? Second: Does anyone know how rank or insignia were identified? This is the only suggestion I received: “Rank wasn't as clear cut back then as it is now. Corporals wore a green epaulette on the shoulder, sergeants wore a red sash and red epaulettes. Officers also wore epaulettes - one white one for a Lieutenant, and Captains and above wore two. Officers could also be told apart by the fact that their uniforms were made of much finer cloth, and sometimes had extra embellishments such as embroidery etc, and they wore cocked hats rather than the round hats that the men wore. Officers also wore gorgets [sic.] and swords when they were on duty.” Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time, Heather Smart Brea, California _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 15:36:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QKa4tB014440 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:36:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QKYeZj025299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QKYV5t037923; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QKYRiw037857 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5913D21EB8 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB5FEE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:21 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:21 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA25FA@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lining & bag lining Thread-Index: AcUD3OjPar0ptGrbT/muzyZZqCc/TAACLQRA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 20:34:21.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A636F30:01C503E6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0QKYRiw037857 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It's worth noting that there are five surviving 14th c. copies (that I > know of) of this book, and the text varies slightly, having been > translated from Arabic into Italian at that time. Then, for the modern > publications, it has been translated into English. So the descriptions > differ, sometimes in crucial details. The original might have been "linen > layer" or just "linen under the wool" or any of a variety of things -- > without checking the originals, I wouldn't know. I have several > translations of several of the passages from a different source, but don't > remember offhand whether I have more than one translation of Wool. I will > look it up if people care, but not today. If it doesn't take too long, I would definitely be interested! Thank you! Also, is there a published reference to the increase in period references to lined garments in the 14th century -- I'd love to be able to site something when I write up my documentation for the outfit... :-) Thanks again, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:08:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QL8pfk014601 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:08:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QKHbZj023256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QKHXAs023321; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0QK8Fic015008 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-5966); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:08:15 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:08:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:08:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not an expert in late 18th century American clothing. What do the experts on this list think of this book? Is it a decent starting point? http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486273202.html Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:51:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QLpBnS014995 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:51:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QLoKZj003838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLo4RJ002384; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLnq71002133 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8F436E25 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p039.socket.net [64.85.216.41]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 25917C5B0 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050126195642.33951.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll check with my brother and nephew. My dad had info years ago on that that I only glanced through. I will say that broadcloth bought at Wal-Mart for 1.89 a yd is not the same as what was being called broadcloth back then. http://members.tripod.com/~DARTO/usmchistory.html This might help. The jacket is usually wool, suit weight not coat weight. Sometime along the line they acquired a leather collar which got them the nickname of leather necks, long before being called jarheads. Linen or cotton for the pants and vest. For the first "official" uniform I would check with 1700s British troop reinactors because US Marine's uniform were based on European military uniforms. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:55:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QLtPt1015088 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QLsIZj004471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLsHaQ006143; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLr3Lt004945 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F45633997 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D65433993 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:52:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c503f1$78d73aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO After years and years of embroidery I've run across a problem which has me stumped. I'm working on a modern interpretation of an early 18th century frock coat for myself, and, of course, being the magpie I am plan to embroider it with the design from the wedding garments of the Dauphin in 1747. I'm working on a natural (cream) wool/silk twill. Gorgeous fabric. My usual method of transferring designs to a non-reproduction piece is to use dressmaker's carbon. Has worked famously for years. Even on white cloth. Until now. For some reason the carbon is rubbing off on the fabric, I suspect because of the very slight nap, so that I've ended up with a slight smudge. This is not acceptable, as the carbon isn't going to readily wash out. I've managed to gently brush out the smudge so that section of the coat (a sleeve) isn't damaged. As you may appreciate I don't wish to continue to use the carbon. Any of the transfer pencils and pens one can acquire commercially have always performed dismally for me. Laser and ink-jet printed designs will not transfer with the iron, again, I suspect because of the slight nap, although this method has worked well for me on linen or cotton. Use a light board isn't an option because the pieces are too large. The only alternative I can see is to prick the whole blessed design, pounce and then ink the pattern. This is going to take hours and hours and hours. If I have to I will. So, I wondered, if any of you had any ideas how to handle this dilemma? Sometimes a fresh perspective can give a new window on a solution to a problem. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:56:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QLuqPX015111 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:56:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QLtiZj004648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLtewL007344; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLsWL7006298 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.53.1fece8c4 (4592) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:54:24 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1fece8c4.2f296b90@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:54:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's great for men's shirts! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:57:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QLvhCr015125 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QLv7Zj004871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLv3qb008646; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLtgxT007301 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.158.4909c02a (4592) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <158.4909c02a.2f296bcf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:55:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:32:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, altablue@yahoo.com writes: Some say only wool imported from England. Billiard cloth is the absolute best fabric to use, but it is pricey. It DOES come in other colors besides green! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 16:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QLxQdP015155 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QLwlZj005065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLwi17009986; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLwL6k009604 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.59.1fece6d2 (4592) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1fece6d2.2f296c73@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:58:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/26/2005 4:53:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: what was being called broadcloth back then To expand--broadcloth was always wool broadcloth, and it was heavily fulled, so men's wear could be cut with the raw edge used, rather than having to face it, as today. Billiard cloth is similar. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QM0tXQ015184 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QM07Zj005211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QM06FW011131; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QLwaVp009888 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7520537058 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p039.socket.net [64.85.216.41]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76B74C423 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:35 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050126195642.33951.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'll check with my brother and nephew. My dad had info years ago on that that I only glanced through. I will say that broadcloth bought at Wal-Mart for 1.89 a yd is not the same as what was being called broadcloth back then. http://members.tripod.com/~DARTO/usmchistory.html This might help. The jacket is usually wool, suit weight not coat weight. Sometime along the line they acquired a leather collar which got them the nickname of leather necks, long before being called jarheads. Linen or cotton for the pants and vest. For the first "official" uniform I would check with 1700s British troop reinactors because US Marine's uniform were based on European military uniforms. Think the white hats were used when they started with being on the ship as a way to I dentify them from the seamen. I could be wrong about this one. Could try: http://www.mclm.com/uniformproj.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:24:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMO8cA015520 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:24:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMMcZj008059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMMVhH030501; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMMPHR030340 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CD8425EC for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:21:37 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] vintage hair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, how old does something have to be to qualify as 'historical'? :) Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a really high topknot, but I can't find the silly things any more. I need one (or more) for a costume I am working on, but they seem to have vanished. Does anybody have any leads for this sort of thing? If you're going to tell me the beauty supply near you still sells them, email me privately because I may want you to go buy me some. I'm at a dead end here. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMRDp8015565 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:27:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMQBZj008458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:26:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMQA1o033488; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMQ612033366 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:25:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:27:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 22:26:00.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[038CBB80:01C503F6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > There is even a reference on > > page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned > > with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned > > with shagge." > > Hmmm, so what you are saying is that big furry,fluffy slippers are period? > ;-) > > Sheridan > -who now has images of lovely Elizabethan gowns with pink bunny slippers > going through my head.... > They're LINED with the stuff... fur on the inside. Gosh, what an image you brought up in my head... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:32:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMWFR6015650 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMVcZj009062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMVS6e038075; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0QMV4Ho037767 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-1863); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:31:03 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:31:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050126142609.00d82c10@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:30:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <002401c503f1$78d73aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about using one of the tear-away tissues that you draw the pattern on, baste the tissue to the piece you are embroidering, and stitch the outline of your motifs onto the fabric, then tear-away the tissue and fill in the motifs? Or if you have a linear pattern, do a guide line in running stitch that will be covered by the embroidery stitches. Using a single strand of whatever color your pattern calls for should give you enough of a guide. Joan Jurancich At 04:52 PM 1/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: > After years and years of embroidery I've run across a problem which has >me stumped. > > I'm working on a modern interpretation of an early >18th century frock coat for myself, and, of course, being the magpie I am >plan to embroider >it with the design from the wedding garments of the Dauphin in 1747. > > I'm working on a natural (cream) wool/silk twill. Gorgeous fabric. My >usual method of transferring designs to a non-reproduction piece is to use >dressmaker's carbon. Has worked famously for years. Even on white cloth. >Until now. > > For some reason the carbon is rubbing off on the fabric, I suspect >because of the very slight nap, so that I've ended up with a slight smudge. >This is not acceptable, as the carbon isn't going to readily wash out. I've >managed to gently brush out the smudge so that section of the coat (a >sleeve) isn't damaged. As you may appreciate I don't wish to continue to use >the carbon. > > Any of the transfer pencils and pens one can acquire commercially have >always performed dismally for me. Laser and ink-jet printed designs will not >transfer with the iron, again, I suspect because of the slight nap, although >this method has worked well for me on linen or cotton. Use a light board >isn't an option because the pieces are too large. > > The only alternative I can see is to prick the whole blessed design, >pounce and then ink the pattern. This is going to take hours and hours and >hours. If I have to I will. > > So, I wondered, if any of you had any ideas how to handle this dilemma? >Sometimes a fresh perspective can give a new window on a solution to a >problem. > >Regards >Lorina >Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, >quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies >(519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMZJN7015704 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMYWZj009319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMYHMC040289; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0QMXN0L039543 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-417); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:33:22 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:33:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050126143126.00d873d0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:33:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sale on Wool Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just received an email from Fabric Mart.com that has a good sale on wool gabardine, several colors, all at $3.99 per yard. I know how hard it is to find this stuff. http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/worsted_wool_gabardine.htm Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:41:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMfo97015803 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMfCZj010169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMf8Xp046214; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMbaQO043124 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE46425EC for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F81B9C.8000505@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:37:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 References: <53.1fece8c4.2f296b90@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <53.1fece8c4.2f296b90@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Correction, the comment about loincloths was in _Historic Colonial French Dress_ available from smoke-fire.com. I'm just brain-dead today. If you're interested in that period this is another how-to for re-enactors, again for men, women, and natives. The French book has a lot more diagrams and patterning instruction than the Rural America book, but they are both quite good. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMhlHk015844 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:43:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMh1Zj010357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMgxDO047678; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMc9r0043611 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:38:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:37:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:34:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 22:38:00.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A50F60:01C503F7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. > > Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' > Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' > Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) > > Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at > home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and > forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the > meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing > something really fiddly. > > Sheridan I'm Canadian and do exactly what you do. The only thing I have trouble with is measuring seam allowances in millimeters. I never could get used to that. Otherwise, I switch back and forth, using the measurement that makes more sense. If whatever I'm making divides better in inches (like the cushions I'm making that were to be 18 by 20 inches), I'll use inches, and if it divides better in cm, then I'll use cm. I learned to sew in inches, my mom's machine was in inches, and when I read patterns in English (I don't like to read translations - weird thing for a translator, isn't it?) they're in inches most of the times -- but my new machine is in millimeters. I've been using inches all my life, even if I school was all metric. For examples, my weight and height mean nothing to me in metric, but I have no idea how expensive gas is by the gallon. And gosh did we find that miles were LONG when we went to the U.S. the last time! Kilometers go down much faster on the highway! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:47:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMlwsA015918 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:47:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMlGZj010801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMl5cH051181; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMcXbC043976 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73492425D5 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F8165E.40600@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:14:54 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joan Jurancich wrote: > I am not an expert in late 18th century American clothing. What do the > experts on this list think of this book? Is it a decent starting point? > > http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486273202.html I thought it was an excellent starting point. There are brief descriptions of the types of clothing worn by men and women, children, and the natives in the New Hampshire area. The descriptions are not too brief, and cover all the layers. The book goes on to give diagrams and directions for constructing many of the basic wardrobe items for all the people it describes. It is aimed at the re-enactor, and covers a couple of historical vs. modern decency issues. (The loincloth directions come to mind) There is also a list of suppliers and sources, plus a good biliography/ reading list in the back. It seemed to have been well researched, but it is a few years old and some of the sources might be a bit dated by now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:52:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMqfm8015982 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:52:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMpiZj011266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMpcIH055097; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:51:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMpYmx054990 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ctw0Z-0009Cj-6t for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:51:31 +0000 Message-ID: <$9Xtv8Fd6B+BJwC1@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:50:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... References: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <5.0.0.25.2.20050124213006.011a8a10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050124213006.011a8a10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote >At 01:03 PM 1/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. >> >>Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' >>Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' >>Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) >> >>Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at >>home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and >>forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the >>meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing >>something really fiddly. >> >>Sheridan Oh no we don't!! UK still uses miles for road distances - although all goods have to be sold in metric, just to keep you confused. The Republic of Ireland has just changed from miles to kilometres, and changed the speed limits at the same time - but Northern Ireland is still in miles, with the rest of the UK. Maybe their officials have been to Canada to see how it works out? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:56:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMuPaT016023 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:56:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMtXZj011632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMtRn0057835; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav12.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMebO0045668 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:40:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:39:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41EF198B.1010804@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns (as was) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:41:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 22:40:01.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8A4C300:01C503F7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Sorry, but yours is a view of someone who has not tried to make anything > up directly from her patterns (neither personal fit nor scaling has > anything to do with it). Some of them simply don't work. >From what I understand, they were not meant to be taken as patterns, but as diagrams of the shapes of the pieces. So it's normal they don't work when scaled up. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 17:59:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QMxP4S016074 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:59:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QMwmZj011945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMwlIl060176; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QMn62Q052816 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:48:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050123180150.70426.qmail@web40421.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: pattern review? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:50:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 22:49:00.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A3DDD00:01C503F9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I just know now to make it several > sizes larger than the patterns calls for and to make one (or more) > muslins. That's good news for me. That means the smallest size *might* actually fit me this time. Even Margo's size 2 is too big in the bust for me :-( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:01:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QN1e6H016116 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QN0jZj012191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QN0dg6061612; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QN01WH061062 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A6933994 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 7964F33988 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:59:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01c503fa$d4b70a40$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200501262244.j0QMiNVM048881@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ah, it would seem the answer is water-soluble Vilene. Amazing thing the internet. Helps one get out of the box of historical method and into the 21st century! Who knew there were water soluble films around? Lorina (doing a happy dance) Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:04:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QN4tXh016160 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QN4FZj012487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:04:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QN4EbV064138; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav15.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QN46ZJ063948 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:03:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126142609.00d82c10@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 23:04:00.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[52968D00:01C503FB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > How about using one of the tear-away tissues that you draw the pattern on, > baste the tissue to the piece you are embroidering, and stitch the outline > of your motifs onto the fabric, then tear-away the tissue and fill in the > motifs? Or if you have a linear pattern, do a guide line in running stitch > that will be covered by the embroidery stitches. Using a single strand of > whatever color your pattern calls for should give you enough of a guide. > Joan Jurancich That's what I was going to suggest, but it might be as time-consuming as the pounce-and-ink method... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QN6ic5016182 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:06:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QN63Zj012648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QN5wJq065297; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0QN5GrO064721 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 23:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <021101c503fb$7f9da680$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003801c4ffe3$795ccb00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada><5.0.0.25.2.20050124213006.011a8a10@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <$9Xtv8Fd6B+BJwC1@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Oh no we don't!! UK still uses miles for road distances - although all > goods have to be sold in metric, just to keep you confused. The > Republic of Ireland has just changed from miles to kilometres, and > changed the speed limits at the same time - but Northern Ireland is > still in miles, with the rest of the UK. Maybe their officials have > been to Canada to see how it works out? Around my part of Canada (S. Ontario--Toronto) no one uses miles at all anymore. The road signs are all in kilometres only. But we still order our beer in pints, describe our height in feet and inches (despite what it says on our driver's licenses) and usually make our recipies using teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups. As I think someone pointed out, a lot of our fabric stores still use yards. And you will still hear a few people using Fahrenheit for temperatures. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:21:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QNLOmD016397 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QNKkZj013999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNK4dA075696; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNJxla075599 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-104.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.104]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QNFSbt007558 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:15:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050126145047.024778c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:52:52 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage hair In-Reply-To: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Ok, how old does something have to be to qualify as 'historical'? :) According to me or according to my 20-year-old? ("Oh, Mom, that's so 90's".) >Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat Benatar's >makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was essentially two >halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a really high topknot, >but I can't find the silly things any more. I need one (or more) for a >costume I am working on, but they seem to have vanished. Does anybody have >any leads for this sort of thing? If you're going to tell me the beauty >supply near you still sells them, email me privately because I may want >you to go buy me some. I'm at a dead end here. Most modern ponytail elastic-thingies will do the job. Double up on them to get the height you seem to want. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:23:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QNNuVu016433 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QNN4Zj014269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNN3Yh078888; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNMiqc077663 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2inikkn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.82.151] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CtwUi-0003qj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:22:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200501262244.j0QMiNVN048881@net.indra.com> References: <200501262244.j0QMiNVN048881@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:22:33 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: fastusminimus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 3:44 PM -0700 1/26/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat >Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was >essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a >really high topknot, but I can't find the silly things any more. I need >one (or more) for a costume I am working on, but they seem to have WalMart....yeah I know but they had them the last time I was there... Ta Carol who is pissed our local Wally World is cutting back on the selection o plastic storage devices--now that I have money and a need for em! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 18:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0QNRZwO016494 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0QNQsZj014810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNQmXT091948; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0QNQWJ1091424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0QNJLTA016678 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:19:21 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:19:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F826F7.4060707@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:25:43 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage hair References: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat > Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was > essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a > really high topknot, but I can't find the silly things any more. So the tube provided a significant amount of volume for a high hair-bun? In other words, a new variant on the hair rat? I haven't seen anything like that for sale these days, but if it's just bulk you need, you could make a donut-shaped hair rat. Oh, wait, another thought: was it more like a bracelet that made the ponytail stand up, with teeth inside to hold it onto an already-rubberbanded ponytail? I've seen those around, I think... -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 19:13:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R0DBlP017146 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:13:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R0CGZj021197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R0C7xf068246; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0R0C3xF068164 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21784 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2005 00:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050127001158.21782.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:11:57 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:11:57 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] miles/kilometres/minutes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:34:22 -0500 > Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' > Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' > Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) >> Sheridan Hi! Ask a British person (be they Scot, Irish or Welsh! even English!) and they'll give you the answer in MILES. Our signposts are still imperial, in spite of some poor folk being prosecuted (that's right) for selling vegetables by the pound, not the kilo... For the record, I use minutes and miles interchangeably: more than half an hour and it's miles... Katherine the newbie who only wanted to lurk. ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 20:56:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R1ufrr018750 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:56:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R1tqZj005969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:55:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R1tiv9039760; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R1tfOn039690 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m69.in-tch.com [216.166.191.69]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0R1qkI06591 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:52:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F84B4B.9030502@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:00:43 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, yeah....now I have this vision stuck in my head, of a whole room full of people, all in Fancy-Schmancy Elizabethan, with pink bunny slippers on their feet, and instead of doing an appropriate volta or something, they're all dancing in a line to that dance that goes "left foot, left foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, hop, hop....." --sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of a sanity check..... Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >>> There is even a reference on >>>page 215 to "Two paire of Slyppers of Tufte Taffata, the one paire lyned >>>with skarlet and in the soles with carnacion velvet, thother paire lyned >>>with shagge." >> >>Hmmm, so what you are saying is that big furry,fluffy slippers are period? >>;-) >> >>Sheridan >>-who now has images of lovely Elizabethan gowns with pink bunny slippers >>going through my head.... >> > > > > They're LINED with the stuff... fur on the inside. Gosh, what an image you > brought up in my head... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 21:50:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R2ooia019636 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:50:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R2oCZj010978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R2nRMU071461; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R2mQGT070644 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:48:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F403425D5 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F84971.4060309@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:52:49 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage hair References: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> <41F826F7.4060707@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41F826F7.4060707@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Oh, wait, another thought: was it more like a bracelet that made the > ponytail stand up, with teeth inside to hold it onto an > already-rubberbanded ponytail? I've seen those around, I think... That's exactly what I'm looking for. I want that tacky plastic 80's look. I'll have to check WalMart as Carol suggested. I normally avoid the place. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 22:19:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R3JnMe020174 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:19:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R3IqZj013763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3IknQ089995; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3Ih9H089883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0R4S6US029761 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:40:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501262240.05325.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 26 January 2005 3:08 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > I am not an expert in late 18th century American clothing. What do the > experts on this list think of this book? Is it a decent starting point? > > http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486273202.html I agree with the comment that this book is a good starting point, but this one is an even better one--Rural Pennsylvania Clothing, by Ellen J. Gehret: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873871057/qid=1106795771/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6262009-3792905?v=glance&s=books I think it's out of print, but at least two people selling via Amazon seem to have copies, though at a fairly high price. I got my copy on EBay a few years ago for about $20, so keep looking--it may turn up cheaper than you think. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 22:30:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R3UNp0020331 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:30:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R3TLZj014553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3TIxB096268; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3PoDg094315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0R3JQTA023150 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:19:26 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F85F3E.8060603@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:25:50 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage hair References: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> <41F826F7.4060707@thibault.org> <41F84971.4060309@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <41F84971.4060309@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Cynthia Virtue wrote: > >> Oh, wait, another thought: was it more like a bracelet that made the >> ponytail stand up, with teeth inside to hold it onto an >> already-rubberbanded ponytail? I've seen those around, I think... > That's exactly what I'm looking for. I want that tacky plastic 80's look. > > I'll have to check WalMart as Carol suggested. I normally avoid the place. I tried some online searches at the most obvious suspects, and some non-obvious ones, but the technical term for the thing eludes me completely; it doesn't fit in any of the standard categories at all. You'll probably have to find it in person. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 22:32:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R3WLH6020356 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:32:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R3ViZj014724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:31:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3VUeg097713; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3R8NO094962 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:27:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF851A820066; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:27:01 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Jan 05 03:26:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c50420$315d7480$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:27:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a starting place, I have found this to be adequate for basic country clothing.It originally appeared about 1990 as "Put on thy Lovely Garments." Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 > I am not an expert in late 18th century American clothing. What do the > experts on this list think of this book? Is it a decent starting point? > > http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486273202.html > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 22:36:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R3aIfc020430 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:36:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R3ZlZj015037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:35:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3ZhVI000514; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3ZeQA000462 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:35:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAY00LBZHPTF4@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.45] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.243]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:29:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:29:53 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <8b39ae8b4341.8b43418b39ae@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately the only Sanity Check I recieved BOUNCED!!! LOL!!!! Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Clemenger > Oh, yeah....now I have this vision stuck in my head, of a whole room full of people, all in Fancy-Schmancy Elizabethan, with pink bunny slippers on their feet, and instead of doing an appropriate volta or something, they're all dancing in a line to that dance that goes "left foot, left foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, hop, hop....."--sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of a sanity check..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 22:57:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R3vsv8020585 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:57:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R3qZaF016508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3NbX0092911; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R3MBEn091977 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE5913210098; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:22:01 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Jan 05 03:22:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c5041f$7e9c58c0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050126195642.33951.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:22:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My research which was about 10 years ago could only set the first uniform at a color design for the 1785's. We settled on a green and cream uniform of the general style of military uniforms of the period. The hat is a 'tar' hat with up-turned brim usually found on ships of that time. After I had assembled the set of 6, I had occasion to visit the USS Constitution in Boston. In one of the berths, they had a uniform that I was able to examine up close. It was a fair copy of the ones I had just finished. Of it's condition, I judged it to have been made in 1876 for the Centennial celebration. In the attached museum, they have one or two antique 'tar' hats. One special feature is, of course, the leather neck piece. I am sure you should be able to hone this information to be more up to date and accessible than when I was challenged to do my set for a retired marine colorguard. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Smart" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies > > Anyone researched the United States Continental Marines? My father will join a local group re-enacting the Marines part in the American Revolution. (My dad is USMC retired after 27 years. Reenacting the American Revolution is a perfect activity for him even though he is not from this country. He acts as if he won the Lottery!) > > > > Here is a page with some graphics > > http://www.acidus.com/Continental_Marines.html > > > I have two questions: > First: What modern fabrics would be a good choice for this outfit (especially the coat)? I am finding differences of opinion even among USMC re enactors and historians. Some say broadcloth. Some say only wool imported from England. I SAW one in polyester--and he was proud of it (shutter!). I guess I am asking what would be a reasonable replication in today's fabrics? > > > > Second: Does anyone know how rank or insignia were identified? This is the only suggestion I received: > > "Rank wasn't as clear cut back then as it is now. Corporals wore a green epaulette on the shoulder, sergeants wore a red sash and red epaulettes. Officers also wore epaulettes - one white one for a Lieutenant, and Captains and above wore two. Officers could also be told apart by the fact that their uniforms were made of much finer cloth, and sometimes had extra embellishments such as embroidery etc, and they wore cocked hats rather than the round hats that the men wore. Officers also wore gorgets [sic.] and swords when they were on duty." > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you in advance for your time, > > Heather Smart > > Brea, California > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jan 26 23:27:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R4RnIn020756 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:27:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R4R4Zj018763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R4Qt6X030136; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R4QrRD030076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.106] (acty3106.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.106]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0R4Qdn3000848 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:26:44 -0500 Message-ID: <41F86D7B.2080402@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:26:35 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies References: <20050126195642.33951.qmail@web81009.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c5041f$7e9c58c0$715183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000f01c5041f$7e9c58c0$715183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/685/Wed Jan 26 02:08:24 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. The USMC has it's own history department dedicated to things of this sort.I'm sure that the reenactment unit has contacted them and has all of the info for the uniforms, etc. I know that they were founded in Philadelphia early in the war, presumably with their HQ at the Tun Tavern by the river (now under Rt 95). I participate in reenacting the USMC's ancestor, the Duke of York and Albany's Maritime regiment (The Admiral's Regt.), the predicessor of the Royal Marines, and therefore the USMC. Odly enough, our coat colors are yellow faced with red, the current USMC colors. We wear red breeches, yellow stockings and a black hat with a white band. Officers wear a red sash and enlisted a white one. Easy to see (and shoot, I suppose, but that's the 17th cent., you know...) Can't really give you more info on your era, but to say talk to the unit folks for guidance if you are planning on doing some sewing for your Dad. That way, the clothing you make will be up to snuff for the unit's needs. Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 00:27:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R5Rw1w021077 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R5RAZj022701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R5QS2n066143; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R5PgMu065588 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cu2A2-0002CD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:25:42 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050126224348.02807800@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:50:37 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200501261916.j0QJGGZr069271@net.indra.com> References: <200501261916.j0QJGGZr069271@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think time vs. miles depends on where you live - In large urban areas like Chicago, Denver, the east and west Coasts - they tend to use time, which is also dependent on time of day, because traffic makes a big difference. Some times/places, it will take you an hour to go 20 miles, others it will take 20-30 min. In other areas (like the Midwest, where we are) people use miles, because the time is (almost) totally dependent on distance - traffic rarely causes delays. Makes for fun translations when we visit the coasts and want to know how far it is to someplace. Sandy (and Pierre, in Lincoln, NE, who once drove to California twice in two months.) At 01:16 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote: >From: purplkat@optonline.net >Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- > Weights/measures... > >I grew up in very suburbia where distance was done in time not miles also. >It'll take you about 20 min to get there,, it's only 10 min down the >road,, 1/2 hr to go full 'round the block,,, > >Katheryne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ann Catelli > > I'm a time = distance person, too; Boston is '2 hours' away. > > > Ann in CT, USA "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 02:26:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R7Q82M028699 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R7PEZj002007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7P3gA031661; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7OuII031499 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.27.6a9c12d2 (4394) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:24:49 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <27.6a9c12d2.2f29f141@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:24:49 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 58 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/27/05 3:29:54 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Ask a British person (be they Scot, Irish or Welsh! > even English!) and they'll give you the answer in > MILES. Was about to say the same thing. (Kilometers - silly (continental) European things that I can't understand even though I was taught at school - still have to say, so what's that in miles??). But then I still use yards, feet and inches too. deb. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 02:31:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R7VDLK029957 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:31:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R7USZj002593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7UPMg035002; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7SBcf033783 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.a0.20ba633e (4394) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:28:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/27/05 3:29:54 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Re. the billiard cloth - the baize from Hainsworths (Yorkshire, UK) is incredibly good (although everything they do is), and along with the rest of their heavy wools doesn't need to be hemmed (in fact is better not hemmed). They are pricey, but it's worth it. Deb (who uses miles of Hainsworth uniform cloths every year - sooooo dangerous haviong such a good manufacturer in the same county!). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 02:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R7fB7Y000656 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:41:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R7eSZj003131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7eNio040549; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7eMDY040486 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005012707401601100cd45qe>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c50443$710cee80$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <27.6a9c12d2.2f29f141@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] measure conversion Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:40:15 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My son is going to a university in England and does set design, lighting, and sound. He has something like a calculator that converts inches, feet, yards, to metric. It is really a wonderful experience for him to know both measure conversions. When he finishes at the university, he wants to work with touring theater productions or music bands. Because he knows both measurement conversions it will be a good selling point to get gigs. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 02:56:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R7upYh005711 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:56:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R7tmZj003878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7timL049245; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R7teBp049148 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005012707553301100cbqc6e>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:55:33 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c50445$93f10d30$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:55:32 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0R7upYh005711 Status: RO Does anyone know the first year of Mardi Gras / Carnival in Europe and South America with costume balls and parades? I know Rio is really big on Carnival. I know in the U.S. the first parade was in 1699 in Mobile, Alabama. Although New Orleans claims to be first, my research says Mobile was. I am working on a series of articles for Mardi Gras, and would like to know the origins in Europe and South America. Is Carnival celebrated in Australia? What countries in Europe celebrate Carnival in Europe. I know France and Germany celebrate. What other countries in Europe celebrate Carnival? I have an article from 1902 about Carnival in France. I have another article of a masquerade ball given by Queen Victoria in 1845. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 03:36:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R8aFtu016378 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R8ZMZj005967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R8ZCXV068514; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R8ZAxG068447 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005012708350401600hacm2e>; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:35:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c5044b$19511650$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c50445$93f10d30$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:35:04 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you want to do the typing job, please call me after 2 pm East Coast time. 804-745-1927. I will call you right back because I have unlimited long distance on my phone. I generally do not turn my computer on until 7 PM. I will make an exception if someone wants this assignment. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 04:16:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R9GYgG026108 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:16:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R9G0Zj007700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R9Fun2086628; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R9Fr97086339 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0R9FJ218194.; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:15:19 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:15:19 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:15:04 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! Continental Marnies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> altablue@yahoo.com 26/01/2005 19:56:42 >>> quoted ..."Officers also wore gorgets [sic.] and swords when they were on duty." ______________________________________________________________________ "Gorget" is the correct term; they were the little steel crescents suspended at the throat, a vestigial reminder of the neck-piece of a suit of armour. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 04:53:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0R9qxCW004825 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:52:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0R9qHZj009291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R9qB1q001743; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:52:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0R9q8ak001717 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R9q5oF013842 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:52:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050127033725.00ae3238@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:39:08 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <41F84B4B.9030502@in-tch.com> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No Sue, I don't think you need a reality check, the image is so remarkably vivid... You know, that would make a really fun 12th Night or CostumeCon routine... Or maybe Teddy done up in Elizabethan for court... Cheers, Danielle At 07:00 PM 1/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Oh, yeah....now I have this vision stuck in my head, of a whole room full >of people, all in Fancy-Schmancy Elizabethan, with pink bunny slippers on >their feet, and instead of doing an appropriate volta or something, >they're all dancing in a line to that dance that goes "left foot, left >foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, hop, hop....." >--sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of a sanity check..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 05:19:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RAJZlj009458 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RAIxZj011297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:18:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RAIsTi014391; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RAIpcK014348 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0RA8GxG004292 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:08:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050127040938.0118d9d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:12:27 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050127033725.00ae3238@pop-server.mn.rr.com> References: <41F84B4B.9030502@in-tch.com> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. pockets - embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, While on the search for a good petticoat lining, I figured I would start smaller, with a pair of embroidered pockets. I've looked through all of my books and on-line and was wondering if anyone has a reference to any embroidered in a silk/wool blended floss? I've seen either silk or wool on their own but not together...I've got some gorgeous silk/wool floss in natural dye colours kicking around my sewing room that seem perfect and was hoping to be able to use it. Anyone? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 07:16:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RCGJwW024700 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:16:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RCFVZj017538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCFM5r068326; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:15:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCFJSZ068272 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - red & yellow? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792794@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - red & yellow? thread-index: AcUD3LMOM3LCj0WGTAOKe9iuIEBdRAAjQI6w Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've looked over previous emails and have 'not' found my > answer. Does BL linen come in colors like red and yellow? If it doesn't it should be easy to dye. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 07:22:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RCMDFU024791 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RCLeZj017885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCLahx071345; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:21:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from peaches.princessharold.net (haroldk-host177.dsl.visi.com [208.42.100.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCIfVG069822 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gwen@princessharold.net) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (bob.princessharold.net [192.168.0.4]) by peaches.princessharold.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0158774 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:37:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.4]); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:19:18 -0600 Message-ID: <41F8DC46.2090502@princessharold.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:19:18 -0600 From: Gwen Kachelmyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: <200501262244.j0QMiNVN048881@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-MC-Metrics: net.indra.com 1128; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They're called banana clips. or at least they were when I was younger. Gwen fastusminimus wrote: > At 3:44 PM -0700 1/26/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat >> Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was >> essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a >> really high topknot, but I can't find the silly things any more. I need >> one (or more) for a costume I am working on, but they seem to have > > > WalMart....yeah I know but they had them the last time I was there... > Ta > Carol who is pissed our local Wally World is cutting back on the > selection o plastic storage devices--now that I have money and a need > for em! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 07:24:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RCOrqr024825 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RCOFZj018298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCOFbn072870; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCNICc072446 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:23:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792795@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem thread-index: AcUD+cSRFMp7a4BrTTesqb/emwP2FAAcNS4Q Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Use a light > board isn't an option because the pieces are too large. I never had a light board/box, but when I lived at home with my parents I discovered that their glass-topped coffee table (large and round) with a desk-lamp or bedside lamp underneath made a great super-sized lightbox, a did my sister's glass-topped dining table. Don't know if that's any help to you? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 07:34:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RCY24V024988 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:34:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RCW9Zj018761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:32:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCW3C8076522; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCW1I3076511 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:31:52 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? - bunnys-slipper-dance... To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792796@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? - bunnys-slipper-dance... thread-index: AcUEIKFYLYeMQ9DKQti3wMC6FGhg5AAS0uFQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh, yeah....now I have this vision stuck in my head, of a whole room > full of people, all in Fancy-Schmancy Elizabethan, with pink bunny > slippers on their feet, and instead of doing an appropriate volta or > something, they're all dancing in a line to that dance that goes "left > foot, left foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, > hop, hop....." --sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of > a sanity check..... Only just *beginning* to think that??? Sue, surely you jest....?.... Teddy ("I got my sainity check, now where do I go to pay it into my account!") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 07:58:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RCwjxv025382 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RCw8Zj019906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:58:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCvaao088154; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCvZXK088074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D542D87CE for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 26316-09 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41A2FD87B6 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:45:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0e3b01c5046f$8f713850$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501262244.j0QMiNVN048881@net.indra.com> <41F8DC46.2090502@princessharold.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Kachelmyer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device > They're called banana clips. or at least they were when I was younger. > > Gwen No, it isn't banana clips. I have one of those devices that she wants (if I didn't throw the silly thing away). It's round, whereas a banana clip is..well...banana-shaped. I loved the look of the banana clips, but I could never get one to work for me. My hair was too thick, and they wouldn't close! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 08:03:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RD39xk025472 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RD2KZj020197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RD2J9R090490; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RCvtOB088230 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:58:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A54C1C0E0092; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:57:48 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Jan 05 12:57:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c5046f$ee5117a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> <200501262240.05325.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:58:41 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The one point about "Rural Pennsylvania" that I have a problem with is that the clothing described is based more on clothing of the German settlements and some of it tends to be provincial. Of course, the Dover book is presenting basic clothing of the New England area. Another resource is "Tidings from the 18th Century". Back in the Dark Ages of the 1970s, my first book was "American Costume 1650-1799 by Estelle Worrell. it was OK as a thumbnail reference, but way too simple for today's scholarship. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 > On Wednesday 26 January 2005 3:08 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > I am not an expert in late 18th century American clothing. What do the > > experts on this list think of this book? Is it a decent starting point? > > > > http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486273202.html > > I agree with the comment that this book is a good starting point, but this one > is an even better one--Rural Pennsylvania Clothing, by Ellen J. Gehret: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873871057/qid=1106795771/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6262009-3792905?v=glance&s=books > > I think it's out of print, but at least two people selling via Amazon seem to > have copies, though at a fairly high price. I got my copy on EBay a few > years ago for about $20, so keep looking--it may turn up cheaper than you > think. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 08:12:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RDCV9i025658 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:12:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RDBUZj020778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RDBRwx094581; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RDBN2S094553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RD4wTA026503 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:04:58 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:04:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F8E87A.8090205@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:11:22 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: <200501262244.j0QMiNVN048881@net.indra.com> <41F8DC46.2090502@princessharold.net> In-Reply-To: <41F8DC46.2090502@princessharold.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gwen Kachelmyer wrote: > They're called banana clips. or at least they were when I was younger. Er? Those are the long ones, say 6" long, which Jordie on Star Trek Next Gen's eyewear was modeled after (they said it was! Really!) but what Carol needs is something cylindrical, not more than about 2" at the wide base, that clips around a ponytail. Amusingly, the things mimic a style I recall most vividly from golden-hued exotic middleastern Playboy cartoons of the early 70s. Lots of harem girls with gold hair-cones, looking happy and extremely mammilian.... Nonetheless, I suppose the hair accessories websites might file the thing under bannana clips. (Which is not the same thing as a bannana guard, of course. http://www.bananaguard.com/index.php ) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 09:21:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0REL5Lw029930 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:21:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0REK3Zj025507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0REJvmm030545; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:19:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0REJsJj030512 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:19:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08997 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, fastusminimus wrote: > At 3:44 PM -0700 1/26/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat > >Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was > >essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a > >really high topknot... I save everything, and I think I have one of these. About what was the diameter and height of the closed tube? I think the one I have is about two inches in diameter and an inch high, and either black or tortoise-shell color, I forget. It has teeth on both sides that meet in the middle. I bought it to use to hold my ponytail, but I don't wear a high ponytail anymore, and it was too large and hard for a low ponytail. I think I still have it, and it's yours if this is what you're looking for. I am a sucker for hair devices. I also have banana clips, claw clips, and those things that look like two combs connected by a zigzag spring. None of them work right in my hair except the claws, which I use to hold my hair up in the shower when I don't want it wet. I don't think I've worn one outside the bathroom in years. In addition to Wal-Mart, you might try your local dollar store, and any large drugstore (e.g. Walgreens, Drug Emporium) or super-grocery (Meijers). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 09:40:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0REeFts030217 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:40:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0REd8Zj027240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0REd4Ys041506; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0REcx5d041461 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09306 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:50:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:50:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792795@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Light boxes, was: embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Teddy wrote: > I never had a light board/box, but when I lived at home with my > parents I discovered that their glass-topped coffee table (large and > round) with a desk-lamp or bedside lamp underneath made a great > super-sized lightbox, a did my sister's glass-topped dining table. I have done this too with our glass-topped end table. And for larger pieces, I open the dining room table, remove the center leaf, and lay a sheet of glass over the opening to create a glass table. Put a lamp underneath, and I'm good to go, with lots of table space next to me for supplies. Not as nice as a Mayline desk, but it works, and doesn't take up extra space when I'm not using it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 10:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RFFZip030473 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RDtLZj023828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RDtDFX017767; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RDt6gt017667 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.191.379f6f90 (3657) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <191.379f6f90.2f2a4cad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/27/2005 2:57:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: 1699 in Mobile, Alabama. Although New Orleans claims to be first, my research says Mobile was. Are you sure about that 1699 date? I seem to remember that Carnival celebrations started in the 1870s or 80s, as a bunch of guys basically just raising cain (but yes, in Mobile) before developing into the fancy-schmancy thing it came to be. But it's been years since I researched that when I was living on the Gulf Coast. Some good info on the history of Caribbean Carnival can be found in the catalogue from an exhibit: Main Title: Caribbean festival arts : each and every bit of difference / John W. Nunley, Judith Bettelheim ; with contributions by Barbara Bridges ... [et al.]. Published/Created: [Saint Louis] : Saint Louis Art Museum ; [Seattle] : University of Washington Press, 1988. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 10:54:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RFsNoX030685 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RFrUZj005555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RFrL7t093684; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RFlNiL089165 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m150.in-tch.com [216.166.191.150]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0RFiNI29835 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:44:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F90E34.7010600@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:52:20 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net> <002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <5.0.0.25.2.20050127033725.00ae3238@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050127033725.00ae3238@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The first time I encountered that particular dance was actually at a SciFi con. Of course, that was also the Con at which I learned about Pan-Galactic Gargle Blasters! ;-D The dance, at least around here, is done to that 60s song that starts out "When you are strange....." It fits the rhythm perfectly.... --sue Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > No Sue, I don't think you need a reality check, the image is so > remarkably vivid... You know, that would make a really fun 12th Night > or CostumeCon routine... Or maybe Teddy done up in Elizabethan for > court... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 07:00 PM 1/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> Oh, yeah....now I have this vision stuck in my head, of a whole room >> full of people, all in Fancy-Schmancy Elizabethan, with pink bunny >> slippers on their feet, and instead of doing an appropriate volta or >> something, they're all dancing in a line to that dance that goes "left >> foot, left foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, hop, >> hop....." >> --sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of a sanity check..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 11:02:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RG27xq030733 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RG1BZj006312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RG17S3099783; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RFuCBl095912 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m150.in-tch.com [216.166.191.150]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0RFrDI03435 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:53:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41F91047.8000805@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:11 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? - bunnys-slipper-dance... References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792796@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792796@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorta. It's only when I actually have enough caffeine in my system for my brain to engage that the suspicion arises out of the depths. ;-D --sue Teddy wrote: >>foot, left foot, right foot, right foot, forward, back, hop, >>hop, hop....." --sue, beginning to think she's in sad need of >>a sanity check..... > > > Only just *beginning* to think that??? Sue, surely you > jest....?.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 11:26:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RGQjPt031126 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RGPdZj009136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:25:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RGPXbc020509; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0RGPVwr020389 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA9UFP3AJ5T7HS for (sender ); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhguKBREJgQSqeN88Mv5rc7nA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KJC6UQW9; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:24:13 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:16:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Light boxes, was: embroidery transfer problem Message-ID: <20050127.082324.3048.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:4170955245 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If all else fails, there's always a well lit window and masking tape. You just need to be really careful when you peel off the tape. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 12:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RHbuuH032366 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:38:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RHapZj017608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RHaXmd000237; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RHXv0H096803 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so574811wri for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uk0qhi7QHTPj6my/6zVd6SQ0RQYp2Rv7jFXxnFFqWa1cNn4/6YefaKNpcjcER98unk6JZioI72AXiGuCsv0ZpkJHBRTGoxf0KWNC86uGC3z23Sz9L+yGd5fzBH9OF5ctOr8mQKFS/h/jGY+O0XGBfbJ8whgTbeIuN7MHjBCpLSc= Received: by 10.54.31.20 with SMTP id e20mr41519wre; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.74 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05012709331cccb911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:33:38 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] vintage hair In-Reply-To: <41F85F3E.8060603@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41F817F1.1040202@reddawn.net> <41F826F7.4060707@thibault.org> <41F84971.4060309@reddawn.net> <41F85F3E.8060603@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/686/Wed Jan 26 18:14:26 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Nothing says tacky 80s hair to my mind better than the banana clip. They were long, 6-8 inches, curved and put all your hair in a big, long puff. Long as in from the top of your head to almost the base of the head. I don't know if that's what you were thinking of. They are still available at Longs, Walgreen's and Target. LynnD On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:25:50 -0500, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Dawn wrote: > > > Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > > >> Oh, wait, another thought: was it more like a bracelet that made the > >> ponytail stand up, with teeth inside to hold it onto an > >> already-rubberbanded ponytail? I've seen those around, I think... > > > That's exactly what I'm looking for. I want that tacky plastic 80's look. > > > > I'll have to check WalMart as Carol suggested. I normally avoid the place. > > I tried some online searches at the most obvious suspects, and some > non-obvious ones, but the technical term for the thing eludes me > completely; it doesn't fit in any of the standard categories at all. > You'll probably have to find it in person. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in > love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: > http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 13:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RIITa9001278 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:18:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RIHMZj022425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RIHCmu050961; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RIH35r050762 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAZ00J75MS2M0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.71] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.237]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:16:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:16:50 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Light boxes, was: embroidery transfer problem To: Historical Costume Message-id: <90d53c90c0bd.90c0bd90d53c@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was very young I found out that a Lite Brite base with a piece of glass balanced on the 'face' of the Lite Brite also works in a pinch. (of course you have to remove the piece with all the little holes to get good lighting) Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Teddy wrote: > > I never had a light board/box, but when I lived at home with my parents I discovered that their glass-topped coffee table (large and round) with a desk-lamp or bedside lamp underneath made a great super-sized lightbox, a did my sister's glass-topped dining table. > > I have done this too with our glass-topped end table. And for larger pieces, I open the dining room table, remove the center leaf, and lay a sheet of glass over the opening to create a glass table. Put a lamp underneath, and I'm good to go, with lots of table space next to me for supplies. > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 13:23:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RINcx1001566 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RIMUZj023163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RIMQgR056479; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:22:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50602.mail.yahoo.com (web50602.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0RIMN3Q056323 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:22:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 56802 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2005 18:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20050127182217.56800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:22:17 EST Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:22:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501271226.j0RCQp1G074035@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had written a paper on the history of the Carnevale mask in Venice that covers its origins in that region, if it helps at all. Let me know if you want to read it. It's a rather large file - it includes art files for the mask portion of the paper. Kathy > Subject: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival > Does anyone know the first year of Mardi Gras / > Carnival in Europe and South America with costume > balls and parades? > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 14:13:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RJD6r9004035 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:13:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RJCCZj029038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] valves for inflatable dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thank,s for that, yes that type may work for the dresses,,but where my inflatable crinoline dresses are concerned we have nearly always used a beachball type valve in the sleeve of the dress, but a more descreet type of valve would be better for inflatable dresses,or perhaps some way to colour the valve to make it blend in would be better Pippa, ps SUSAN, contact me over your inflatable crinoline wedding dress,again as ive lost your email , Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 14:32:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RJWc5w004405 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RJVuZj001768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RJVqv2027494; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:31:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RJVi9K027271 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7e.61f88299 (4459) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.61f88299.2f2a9b90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:31:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Inflatable Crinoline Dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ive got a lady that has requested one of my inflatable crinoline wedding dresses, but the pattern i dont have or pictures either to make my own pattern,s pattern needed1857 Bavarian crinoline dress. also does anyone know of any compant who sells pvc or rubber coate Irish Linen Or English Broadcloth Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 14:56:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RJulbZ004554 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:56:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RJtYZj004488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RJtUiW048621; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RJtQYj048546 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-90-127.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.90.127]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RJosbt011308 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:50:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050127115301.0256bee0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:55:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inflatable Crinoline Dresses In-Reply-To: <7e.61f88299.2f2a9b90@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >also does anyone know of any compant who sells pvc or rubber coate Irish >Linen Or English Broadcloth Check the Kinky places, like the ones with whips and handcuffs, because some of those people wear clothes made of things like that. I don't know what historical Kinky clothes look like, except for some shoes with heels that are way to high to permit walking. 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Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.102.595965ce (4380) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <102.595965ce.2f2abbc3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:48:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bavarian Crinoline Information X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi i need help in locating a bavarian dress pattern, its for a 1856 bavarian crinoline dress, for a client who wants me to make her an inflatable version of this dress Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 17:40:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RMej90007371 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for material X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO i am looking for a supplier of pvc coated taffetta for a crinoline dress that i am now designing can anyone help pip _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 17:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RMxHHM007721 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:59:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RMwOZj024300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:58:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RMwF1s010081; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RMwCLq010000 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.37] (p21.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.37]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0RMuNc17314 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:56:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <105.59688ff5.2f2ac78d@aol.com> References: <105.59688ff5.2f2ac78d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for material Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:04:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you ever seen pvc coated taffeta? I'm not sure it even exists. I work with pvc fabric a lot, but none of it resembles taffeta at all. Sylrog On Jan 27, 2005, at 3:39 PM, KV59213@aol.com wrote: > i am looking for a supplier of pvc coated taffetta for a crinoline > dress that > i am now designing > can anyone help > pip > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:18:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNIeQ0008024 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNI3Zj026926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNHuaI027470; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNGhj3026322 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.24.6965dac4 (4340) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <24.6965dac4.2f2ad052@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] inflatable wedding dresses and computers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO hey Susan, sorry i lost your email address, as we have been having a few problem,s here. yes i have had a check for bavarian crinoline pattern,s but can find none,perhaps, some kind soul out there could email me and let me know if there are any patterns anywhere, for a 1857 bavarian crinoline dress or dresses. in awnser to you question, yes i will make you the inflatable bavarian wedding dress if, i can get the pattern, also if that fails i will use a victorian crinoline pattern from the same date,and it will be fully inflatable like the one i did for miss bardette,and the others. if your husband is into D,I,Y Computer,s and likes building themor likes doing electronics, get him to email my husband on this email address, as he has workshops full of part,s for computer self builders and electronic buff,s , address it to steve,and not to pippa. here from you soon pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:21:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNLvbH008093 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:21:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNLMZj027214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNLKJD030460; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:21:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNJw5K029240 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CuIve-00044J-00; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:19:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:19:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Christopher Crockett from the Medieval-Religion list I'm on (MEDIEVAL-RELIGION@JISCMAIL.AC.UK) is pondering some mysterious accessories and wants to know if we have any ideas on what they are. Here's his message. Opinions welcome. I find the small scale and shallow carving of these objects rather odd, compared to the rest of the statue, but Christopher seems to think they're part of the original sculpture. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Crockett Sent: Jan 27, 2005 9:46 AM To: MEDIEVAL-RELIGION@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [M-R] metal decorations on clothing as it happens, i've recently been trying to identify a very curious element found on a bit of 12th century sculpture. it is, apparently, some sort of "utilitarian" object, not a "decorative" one. among the extraordinary, very high quality sculptures found in excavations from the church of the Annunciation in Nazareth, is a large (73cm high) fragment of a torso of St. Peter (identifiable by his keys and church) http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/nazareth/bagatti/colfigs/bagatti-pl42.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/nazareth/bagatti/colfigs/bagatti-pl43-3.jpg he wears a cord-belt, below and to the left of the knot of which is suspended this curious object, carved in low relief on the smooth area of the fabric just there : http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/nazareth/bagatti/colfigs/bagatti-pl43-4.jpg (note that the image will expand to larger than the size of an IE window) it appears to be some sort of "heart-shaped" object, suspended from a wound cord smaller in diameter than the cord which serves as Peter's belt. to the right of it is something else which i can't quite make out: perhaps a thin leather(?) strap, looped in a half-hitch around the belt at the top and ending in a series of regularly punched holes. is there something suspended from it, just where the punched holes begin? what *are* these objects ?? ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: jiscmail@jiscmail.ac.uk For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:24:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNOhMT008146 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] inflatable wedding dresses and computers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hey Susan, sorry i lost your email address, as we have been having a few problem,s here. yes i have had a check for bavarian crinoline pattern,s but can find none,perhaps, some kind soul out there could email me and let me know if there are any patterns anywhere, for a 1857 bavarian crinoline dress or dresses. in awnser to you question, yes i will make you the inflatable bavarian wedding dress if, i can get the pattern, also if that fails i will use a victorian crinoline pattern from the same date,and it will be fully inflatable like the one i did for miss bardette,and the others. if your husband is into D,I,Y Computer,s and likes building themor likes doing electronics, get him to email my husband on this email address, as he has workshops full of part,s for computer self builders and electronic buff,s , address it to steve,and not to pippa. here from you soon pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:27:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNRDZK008180 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNQcZj027754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:26:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNQY4Y034619; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:26:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNN4F5031845 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CuIyc-00080s-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:23:02 -0500 Message-ID: <11885578.1106868182785.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:23:02 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Females dressing as males in army & navy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's an interesting discussion going on this week on the H-ALBION mailing list (history of England) about "females who dress as males in army & navy", which might be of interest to some. You can access individual messages, download archives, search, et cetera at: http://www.h-net.org/~albion/ ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:33:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNXtC9008274 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:33:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNXGZj028409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:33:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNX3tg040168; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNWuQ3040063 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.166]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNWkvF017056 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:32:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050127152813.03fbc648@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:32:42 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories In-Reply-To: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >it appears to be some sort of "heart-shaped" object, suspended from a >wound cord smaller in diameter than the cord which serves as Peter's belt. That looks like a small non-folding fan to me. Don't know why he'd be carrying one. I see what looks like its handle on top pointing upward toward the belt-hanger cord. Don't know what the long narrow thing is beside it, nor the 3-pronged-fork-shaped thing floating on the other side of it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:43:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNhp8p008405 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNgiZj029361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:42:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNgbaC047866; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNgXL7047748 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4227425D5 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F97C55.40907@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:42:13 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO KV59213@aol.com wrote: > i manufacture inflatable crinoline dresses, and of course use the airtight > material,s such as rubberised fabric,s pvc, rubber,etc, but i have heard of a > special balloon fabric, which i have been told would be ideal for my work,and > besides being airtight it is ultra light, > can anyone help me on what this fabric may be. The only place I know of that would specialize in watertight/airtight fabric is a marine supply, a place that sells materials for making and outfitting ships. In my experience they do not sell retail. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 18:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNquXc008527 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNq2Zj000570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNpvma054991; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNpoMf054875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RNjNTA001941 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:45:23 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:45:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:51:47 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmmm. The strap suggests either the end of a belt (rest of the belt under the rope belt) or just a random strap for something which St. P attached to his rope belt to have handy. The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why St. P would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. I'd like to hear other people's theories. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 19:01:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S01cRO008680 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNtYZj000948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNtX4X057682; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:55:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNrI82056035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, and the other thing just under the rope next to the strap is clearly a McDonald's Hash Brown in its wrapper. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 19:02:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S021Nx008694 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RNwxZj001451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNwmFd060172; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0RNwfSY059948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0RNwTNd085438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:58:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0RNwTk8085437; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:58:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:58:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <49358.165.236.184.195.1106870309.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:58:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Looks like a pomander, ya know, the smelly things. The other looks like a garter or a date counter. Has anyone done some photo enhancement to see what the other lines are? It may change the look of the items completely and give us a better clue as to what they are. :) Chiara Cynthia Virtue said: > Hmmmm. > > The strap suggests either the end of a belt (rest of the belt under > the > rope belt) or just a random strap for something which St. P attached > to > his rope belt to have handy. > > The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why > St. P > would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. > > I'd like to hear other people's theories. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or > unlucky in > love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours > truly: > http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 19:08:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S08gcT008817 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S085Zj002607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S0810C067668; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:08:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S07slF067536 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FBA425D5 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41F9820A.4080204@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:06:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why St. P > would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. > > I'd like to hear other people's theories. > Agree on the fan theory, although I'm not sure how important it is that all the accessories be portrayed to scale, as obviously the church he holds is not. Also noticed the trident symbol carved to the left of the 'fan'. Variously used as a symbol for Poseidon, an indication of power (often military) and sometimes used to represent the Christian father-son-holy ghost trinity. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 19:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S0o5a8009560 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S0nDZj006652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S0n9wK097182; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao04.cox.net (lakermmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S0n5H3097062 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050128004857.BJAG22354.lakermmtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:48:57 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:56:19 -0500 Message-ID: <075b01c504d4$2faf6990$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0S0n5H3097062 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi~ Like many women with really long hair, I collected just about every shape, size, color and variety of "hair toy" ever made. I love to do silly things with my hair! Most of the clips and holders have self-destructed over the years, they just don't usually seem to be able to handle the weight of long, thick hair like I think they should. ;o) If I were looking for one of these today... (sorry, mine all bit the dust years ago) I'd go to flea markets off-the-beaten-track junk stores. Anyplace that has very slow moving stock, or resells leftover merchandise. Also try eBay... you can find almost anything there! Dollar Stores are another good idea. Meanwhile, here are some interesting sites to take a peek at: (This one has just about every hair toy on the planet!) http://mp.hairboutique.com/ Maybe this, for the effect if not the exact product?: http://mp.hairboutique.com/product.asp?ProdID=104043&CtgID=245 http://www.longhairgirl.com/php/index.php http://www.eclecticala.com/index.htm Pax, ::Linda:: - > At 3:44 PM -0700 1/26/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >Does anyone here remember the 80's? Cyndi Lauper's hair and Pat > >Benatar's makeup? I can remember a kind of ponytail holder that was > >essentially two halves of a tube that clamped together and gave you a > >really high topknot... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 20:26:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S1QU0I010102 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:26:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S1PdZj009638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S1PYPT021841; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S1PVpx021737 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.183]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050128012520.YDBF12977.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:25:20 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:25:14 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories In-Reply-To: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I expanded the image, the object to the right of the heart shaped object clearly looked (to me at least) like a small knife in a sheath. If you look closely you can see the handle protruding from the sheath. This was a common object that everyone carried: religious, secular, male and female..even older children. I have not a clue as to the heart shaped object partially behind the knife, unless it is a small purse or pouch. Beth At 06:52 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: >o the right of it is something else which i can't quite make out: >perhaps a thin leather(?) strap, looped in a half-hitch around the belt at the >top and ending in a series of regularly punched holes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 20:42:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S1g0Oj010329 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:42:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S1d4aF010636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S1HRpm016790; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S1HMN7016703 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.90.561c57b8 (4116) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <90.561c57b8.2f2aec90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:17:04 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO are there any germans out there,with knowledge of where i can findpatterns for bavarian crinoline dresses of about 1857, as i need them for a lady who wants me to make up an inflatable bavarian wedding dress for her or pattern information would be useful as well Pip _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 20:48:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S1moVv010425 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] PHILLIPAS FASHION INFLATABLE CRINOLINE DRESSES X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO while pippa and her staff work ,the whole worls sleeps,while we are creating beautiful inflatable dresses, the world dozes and lets life slip by them,just like sleeping beauty, the only trouble is there are no princr charmings to wake them ,as they are all on there zimmer frames by the time sleeping beauty wakes up and finds her dress is out of date and eaten by the moth,s From Sara, Pippa, And Lucy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 21:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2MW6t010679 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S2LhZj014576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:21:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2LYJ0057927; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:21:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2LVC8057856 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:21:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050128022126015009lfole>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:21:26 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.118; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:21:24 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] special materials Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:21:24 +0000 Message-Id: <012820050221.8741.41F9A1A3000C9C620000222522007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hm..For all kinds of marine and outdoor fabrics, you might try www.seattlefabrics.com They have a whole lotta kinds of fabrics that might work. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > KV59213@aol.com wrote: > > i manufacture inflatable crinoline dresses, and of course use the airtight > > material,s such as rubberised fabric,s pvc, rubber,etc, but i have heard of a > > special balloon fabric, which i have been told would be ideal for my work,and > > besides being airtight it is ultra light, > > can anyone help me on what this fabric may be. > > The only place I know of that would specialize in watertight/airtight > fabric is a marine supply, a place that sells materials for making and > outfitting ships. In my experience they do not sell retail. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 21:31:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2VJXY010729 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:31:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S2UIZj015297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2UFYD063262; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2UCK7063109 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:28:50 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:30:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050127152813.03fbc648@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AcUEyQKwnQLdGnGaTaq9k2mO5EPoQAAGAkiQ Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 02:28:50.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A6CFC70:01C504E1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was thinking knife/scabbard- eating utensil, not a weapon class blade. But not an expert on anything, just thinking. Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories >it appears to be some sort of "heart-shaped" object, suspended from a >wound cord smaller in diameter than the cord which serves as Peter's belt. That looks like a small non-folding fan to me. Don't know why he'd be carrying one. I see what looks like its handle on top pointing upward toward the belt-hanger cord. Don't know what the long narrow thing is beside it, nor the 3-pronged-fork-shaped thing floating on the other side of it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 21:48:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2mg9K010838 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S2lWZj016451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2lSRC074268; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2lMV0074133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0S3usfG021404 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:56:54 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:08:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501272208.53760.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 27 January 2005 6:51 pm, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Hmmmm. > > The strap suggests either the end of a belt (rest of the belt under the > rope belt) or just a random strap for something which St. P attached to > his rope belt to have handy. No, the strap thing looks to me like one edge of a scabbard for a knife of some kind > > The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why St. P > would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. I can't tell from the image how large it is relative to the Saint, but it sure looks to me like one of those non-folding fans... -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 21:55:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S2tTs5010880 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S2slZj017002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2sLD4078741; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S2sILC078651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0S43pHb021639 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:03:51 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:15:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> <200501262240.05325.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001701c5046f$ee5117a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <001701c5046f$ee5117a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501272215.49769.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on grelber.thyrsus.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 27 January 2005 7:58 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > The one point about "Rural Pennsylvania" that I have a problem with is that > the clothing described is based more on clothing of the German settlements > and some of it tends to be provincial. On the other hand, a shirt is a shirt, and Rural Pennsylvania clothing has wonderful close-ups of period shirts. There are no costume books that don't need to be reviewed with caveats in mind. I did not mean to imply that I thought Rural Pennsylvania Clothing should be the sole work consulted on the subject. For further reading, if you go to the "Rural Pennsylvania Clothing" page for which I provided a URL, you'll find a link to a list of other useful books on the clothing of that period compiled by Kass McGann: here's a direct link to that list: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/H3MDQ2DPOH39/ref=cm_lm_lists/102-6262009-3792905 > Of course, the Dover book is > presenting basic clothing of the New England area. Another resource is > "Tidings from the 18th Century". Back in the Dark Ages of the 1970s, my > first book was "American Costume 1650-1799 by Estelle Worrell. it was OK as > a thumbnail reference, but way too simple for today's scholarship. I've never heard of Worrell's book, and I started reading about historic costume in the late 1970s-early 1980s. I wonder how I missed that one! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jan 27 23:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S48g6C011235 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S47nZj023299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S47clZ024829; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S47MvV024599 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:07:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005012804071601200g3rl7e>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:07:16 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c504ee$da917320$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792795@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:07:16 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What a clever idea Teddy! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 00:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S535Vg011466 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S52SZj027230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S52GXi059632; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S51nCF059346 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005012805014101200g888ne>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:01:41 +0000 Message-ID: <009301c504f6$74ca5450$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <191.379f6f90.2f2a4cad@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:01:40 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, In 1999, my family went home to the Gulf Coast for a week of hopping from one city to the next for Mardi Gras. I have literature from the Mobile Historical Society that states 1699. I also remember that the big theme that year for all the Mobile MG Crewes was a celebration of 300 years of MG. Thanks for the book, I will see if I can locate it. My shy asst. Susan, who has been on h-costume for a year or so and is scared to de-lurk, sent me this information: I looked in the insert and got some information The first carnival observance was in 1703 at 27 Mile Bluff by French Settle as it was a cultural tradition in France. It was observed by meal with family and friend. In 1830 Michael Kraft and some friends paraded with cowbell and agricultural implements through the streets of town and the first Mystical parading society was formed Cowbellion de Rakin Society. 1866 while the Union Forces occupied Mobile they revied the Kraft parade, which had not taken place during the Civil War. They were that ones that dressed up as Chickasaw Indian chief, Slacabamorinico. Then I looked online and found this timeline which give a timeline, they are saying 1699 here because *copy & paste* Pierre Le Moyne', declares his camp "Pointe du Mardi Gras", (Mardi Gras Point), as Alabama's first European settler's entered the Mississippi/Alabama/Louisiana Delta Gulf Coast Region. This is considered the first celebration of Mardi Gras in the U.S. But it doesn't say by whom it is considered. Web page here http://www.mardigrasdigest.com/html/mardi_gras_history__timeline_mobile.htm The other information was in the insert and @ the state website here http://www.loc.gov/bicentennial/propage/AL/al_s_sessions3.html It is listed as the Mardi Gras in Mobile - History by the Library of Congress ****************************************************** I have to laugh here... Susan and my husbands are members of founding families for this area of the U.S. I could see them with LeMoyne celebrating MG by the campfire at Pointe du Mardi Gras! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 00:07:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S57YQo011494 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S571Zj027565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S5701A062603; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S56eER062318 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005012805062101600hc65ce>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:06:21 +0000 Message-ID: <009d01c504f7$1c2d4810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050127182217.56800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:22 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is Mardi Gras / Carnival celebrated in Canada and/or Central America? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 00:43:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S5gx7L011690 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S5gKZj000730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:42:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S5gELe084256; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S5gD0m084245 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026A53818D for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p169.socket.net [64.85.214.171]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 05177C5FF for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:42:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <200501272208.53760.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am include to agree with the idea that the object on the right is a knife in a sheath. The "trident" to the left which is not a trident, note the base is split with a dot could be a maker's mark. The heart reminds me of the top to a pouch but the fold in the fabric seems to negate this possibility. So my next guess would be a fancy drinking cup/travelers cup. I do not think it is a fan as it looks to small to be one. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 01:09:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S69AWt011865 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:09:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S68IZj002307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S68A8x099603; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.170] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S688a2099576 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C4F33CD9 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:08:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p426.socket.net [64.85.215.172]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 111B7D483 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:08:06 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:08:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gee I can't spell. I am (inclined) to agree with the idea that the object on the right is a knife in a sheath. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 01:39:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S6dRUb012041 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:39:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S6csZj004363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S6cnnW017397; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S6cksk017365 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0S6ccIP002146 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:38:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050128003111.0118b598@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:34:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival In-Reply-To: <009d01c504f7$1c2d4810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <20050127182217.56800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, in Toronto there is the annual Caribana festival that I believe is the world's largest of its type - it's rather amazing because around Caribana, downtown Toronto fills with visitors, many of whom are from the Caribbean. It is definitely a Mardi Gras/Carnival type celebration with incredible costumes and food and parades. The only difference is, it happens during the summer not in the spring. http://www.caribana.com/ Cheers, Danielle At 12:06 AM 1/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Is Mardi Gras / Carnival celebrated in Canada and/or Central America? > >Penny Ladnier, owner >The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, >www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 03:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S82TLP029236 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S81PZj009885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S81H4X064052; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:01:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S81Bhf063870 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0S80jSW005642 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:00:55 +1100 Message-ID: <003701c5050f$321962e0$8490d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126143126.00d873d0@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale on Wool Gabardine Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:56:40 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sale on Wool Gabardine > I just received an email from Fabric Mart.com that has a good sale on wool > gabardine, several colors, all at $3.99 per yard. I know how hard it is to > find this stuff. > http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/worsted_wool_gabardine.htm > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net And for anybody not in North America don't bother, I checked their shipping policy and they won't ship outside the USA & Canada (though at least they declare it unlike another online fabric store that just fails to mention the world outside the USA & you don't find out till you email them) Elizabeth [seriously disappointed I've been looking for some wool gabardine and you just can't beat that price] -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dresses and computers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi bob, if you are looking for inflatable dresses and fashion wear email me, but if you are into retro computers, or d i y computer parts and building contact steve on this email addressed to steve Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 04:51:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0S9pZ1J027476 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0S9otZj015775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S9opVF024605; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0S9oo8K024587 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:50:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for material To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197927A3@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] looking for material thread-index: AcUE1G69UFcPcc5cQI+psYfJxoPi4AASaCww Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Have you ever seen pvc coated taffeta? I'm not sure it even exists. I > work with pvc fabric a lot, but none of it resembles taffeta at all. It'll be out there *somewhere*. If they do pvc coated children's patchwork prints I'm sure they *must* do taffeta. I think the printed cotton stuff was done for children's rainwear and table-cloths, the same designs were available in regular cotton print (patchwork cotton) and fleece. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 05:03:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SA3Lvg029732 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:03:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SA2eZj016155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SA2afk030813; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SA2XNG030776 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:02:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197927A4@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem thread-index: AcUFHW/6u8B8/eqmSa+yhGuq8thDZwAAtsnw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What a clever idea Teddy! Thanks Since Robin came up with pretty much the same thing, I think it must be one of these "deperate costumer" things..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 05:06:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SA6c9J030122 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SA60Zj016280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SA5wbE032626; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org ([66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SA5tec032286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0S9wrTA007400 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:58:53 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:58:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FA0E5E.6070102@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:05:18 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival References: <20050127182217.56800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> <009d01c504f7$1c2d4810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <009d01c504f7$1c2d4810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > Is Mardi Gras / Carnival celebrated in Canada and/or Central America? Definitely in Quebec: http://www.carnaval.qc.ca/en/ I went one year in my teens; fun, cold time! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 06:42:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SBgkWw016331 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SBg1Zj021538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SBfop3085246; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SBfk5U085154 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fd3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.211]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E23D47FE7D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:41:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006e01c5052e$554f1dd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:41:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] male and female things X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I can tell you that in this house we have no handyman anywhere. In our bathroom, i have hangers wich are sticked to the wall. When it breaks and fall down, a new one comes up. I have a small wall cabinet i buyed from Ikea 5 years ago, wich still is in its box. I dont dare to pack it up because i know i have to use a driller to fix it. So it still is waiting for a handyman. The lack of a handy man is to be seen every where in the house i can tell you. Me and Leif are not handymen................ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 06:49:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SBn5Jh016449 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SBmVZj021906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SBmSjr088789; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SBg1XZ085308 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1d9.3540fe27 (4560) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.3540fe27.2f2b7efd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mardi Gras / Carnival To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: In 1830 Michael Kraft and some friends paraded with cowbell and agricultural implements through the streets of town and the first Mystical parading society was formed Cowbellion de Rakin Society. 1866 while the Union Forces occupied Mobile they revied the Kraft parade, which had not taken place during the Civil War. They were that ones that dressed up as Chickasaw Indian chief, Slacabamorinico. That is the history I'm remembering from my days on the Gulf Coast. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 08:07:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SD77gZ018033 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SD6IZj025875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:06:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SD661c030814; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [194.63.250.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SD62bA030562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j0SD5jHi012660 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:05:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Submit) with ESMTP id j0SD5ids012654 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:05:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:05:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, all! Since haridos and headgear are important parts of an overall look, I'm hoping this won't be considered off-topic. :) The background: I'm going to an event this summer (a LARP, actually, but the Norwegian kind which I gather is somewhat different from the American) which aims to be as historically correctly costumed as it is possible to get people to do for a one-off event. I plan to have a pretty strong focus on authenticity, but because of the part I'm playing (the rich but tasteless brothel owner) I'm going to incorporate some Hollywoodism as well. This means things like maybe eveningwear and decolletage during the day, and preferably some really flambuoyant hair. Which, as I don't plan to cut a fringe/bangs for this one week, probably means that I need to be stuck in the 1870's hairwise. Something I don't really know how to do, although I know there will have to be major amounts of fake hairpieces involved! I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for books or maybe online articles that deal with the actual doing-up of 1870's and 1880's hairstyles? I've found some articles about hair_care_, but I don't seem to be able to find anything that can teach me how to put it up correctly. I'll probably be able to scrape by anyhow, but a guide would help a lot. Any hints are very welcome! :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 08:22:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SDMk4X018120 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:22:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SDM4Zj026885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDM0rY040192; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDLvmR040065 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0SDLheT029493 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:21:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050127235358.04b44b80@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:20:49 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? In-Reply-To: <200501271226.j0RCQkkg074000@net.indra.com> References: <200501271226.j0RCQkkg074000@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:39:08 -0600, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >No Sue, I don't think you need a reality check, the image is so remarkably >vivid... You know, that would make a really fun 12th Night or CostumeCon >routine... Or maybe Teddy done up in Elizabethan for court... More fun would be to have Teddy the *teddy bear* done up that way (and yes, one *can* purchase teddy-bear-sized bunny slippers at Michael's, A. C. Moore, etc...) Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 08:34:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SDY9DR018160 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:34:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SDWSZj027417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDWP0I046213; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDWLUT046109 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AEDC1CB400A0; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:32:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Jan 05 13:32:11 -0000 Message-ID: <017e01c5053d$e78627c0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <90.561c57b8.2f2aec90@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:33:06 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From my study of ethnic costume, any Bavarian costume of that time period would be what we loosely would term "folk dress". A crinoline dress would reflect a fashion consciousness of what was being worn in the Monde. As you have requested, any one who has studied the crinoline as it was being worn by fashionable Germans of that time period would be a better start toward finding a style that might have been seen in Bavaria. I suspect that looking for pics of Vienna would be a good start. Since this will most likely be a fantasy gown of sorts, you might check films that feature Strauss (The waltz king) or such. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s > are there any germans out there,with knowledge of where i can findpatterns > for bavarian crinoline dresses of about 1857, as i need them for a lady who > wants me to make up an inflatable bavarian wedding dress for her > or pattern information would be useful as well > Pip > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 08:41:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SDfwl3018208 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SDfQZj028253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDfNT0051553; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDfMLf051493 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0F921750092; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Jan 05 13:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <018c01c5053f$2a6b97e0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net><200501262240.05325.cathy@thyrsus.com><001701c5046f$ee5117a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> <200501272215.49769.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:42:07 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO She did the American Costume in two volumes, bringing them up to the Twentieth century. Also a nice doll house book and 11" cloth fashion doll with costume patterns for about three centuries of fashion..Believe it or not, I found some of the pattern shapes useful for people constructions. A bit primitive I admit, but there wasn't a lot out there when I began doing stage costume in 1965. Another book by Worrell that I still use as a pictoral reference and style description is her Children's Fashions volume. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 > On Thursday 27 January 2005 7:58 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > The one point about "Rural Pennsylvania" that I have a problem with is that > > the clothing described is based more on clothing of the German settlements > > and some of it tends to be provincial. > > On the other hand, a shirt is a shirt, and Rural Pennsylvania clothing has > wonderful close-ups of period shirts. > > There are no costume books that don't need to be reviewed with caveats in > mind. I did not mean to imply that I thought Rural Pennsylvania Clothing > should be the sole work consulted on the subject. > > For further reading, if you go to the "Rural Pennsylvania Clothing" page for > which I provided a URL, you'll find a link to a list of other useful books on > the clothing of that period compiled by Kass McGann: here's a direct link to > that list: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/H3MDQ2DPOH39/ref=cm_lm_lists/102-6262009-3792905 > > > Of course, the Dover book is > > presenting basic clothing of the New England area. Another resource is > > "Tidings from the 18th Century". Back in the Dark Ages of the 1970s, my > > first book was "American Costume 1650-1799 by Estelle Worrell. it was OK as > > a thumbnail reference, but way too simple for today's scholarship. > > I've never heard of Worrell's book, and I started reading about historic > costume in the late 1970s-early 1980s. I wonder how I missed that one! > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue > that counts."--Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 08:48:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SDmDAo018270 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:48:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SDldZj028661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDlUBE055025; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SDlQVU054932 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9a.1ee6bdd5 (3657) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1ee6bdd5.2f2b9c66@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:47:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi kathleen its pippa thank,s for the information about the crinoline pattern,s,i mainly make stage TV[Television] and theatre dresses and crinoline,s all of which are inflatable, as i have been developing the modern crinoline for fashion houses for over 20 year,s andthe modern version of the tradition victorian period crinoline dresses have been a great success ,and looks like going off the scale in the near future,with other countrys wanting us to open stores and publicise the inflatable dress. we do have an extensive stock of patterns but this particular gown,i cannot find , any working pattern,s ,but what you have suggested has been of help and thank you for taking the time to get back to me on it. the actual wedding of this lady is in may of this year, and she wants the whole bang, big inflatable crinolines for the bridesmaids ,plus her wedding dress, horses carriages the lot,, and the biggest problem i have got will be finding a period open top cariage for her,horses are not a problem, well take care of yourself Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:10:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEAwSs018415 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:10:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SE9qZj000381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:09:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SE9hW6068671; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SE9ZJc068499 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 14:09:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128140114.0149b450@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:10:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s In-Reply-To: <9a.1ee6bdd5.2f2b9c66@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:47 28/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >hi kathleen its pippa >thank,s for the information about the crinoline pattern,s,i mainly make stage >TV[Television] and theatre dresses and crinoline,s all of which are >inflatable, as i have been developing the modern crinoline for fashion >houses for over >20 year,s andthe modern version of the tradition victorian period crinoline >dresses have been a great success ,and looks like going off the scale in the >near future,with other countrys wanting us to open stores and publicise the >inflatable dress. >we do have an extensive stock of patterns but this particular gown,i cannot >find , any working pattern,s ,but what you have suggested has been of help >and >thank you for taking the time to get back to me on it. >the actual wedding of this lady is in may of this year, and she wants the >whole bang, big inflatable crinolines for the bridesmaids ,plus her wedding >dress, horses carriages the lot,, and the biggest problem i have got will be >finding a period open top cariage for her,horses are not a problem, well >take care >of yourself It would be really interesting to see one of your dresses. Do you have a web site we can look at? I have heard of an inflatable cloak, but not an inflatable crinoline. I have a cartoon of an inflatable crinoline I think, from the English satirical magazine "Punch", which thought crinolines were not a good idea!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:18:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEISlx018458 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:18:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEHlZj000788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEHiGo073625; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEHf2m073509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEHXTP051688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:17:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0SEHX8W051683; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:17:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:17:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54037.165.236.184.195.1106921853.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: References: <200501272208.53760.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:17:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Played with my art program a bit and did some manipulations on texture and such. It definitley looks like a fan. The texture it produced was pretty nice. :) otsisto said: > I am include to agree with the idea that the object on the right is > a knife > in a sheath. > The "trident" to the left which is not a trident, note the base is > split > with a dot could be a maker's mark. The heart reminds me of the top > to a > pouch but the fold in the fabric seems to negate this possibility. > So my > next guess would be a fancy drinking cup/travelers cup. I do not > think it is > a fan as it looks to small to be one. > > De > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:30:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEUoth018511 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:30:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEUFZj002221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:30:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEUBN2082377; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SEU6Oa082236 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67276 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 14:29:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N6e2JNnp71LCNhCyAFj7bNjcC5svy9MkwrVf+D6v+vGD9MTXeKB//PKqA5DiFhcX4B6YpJLIWl5jD+awJ1MULzIVT4WJ5VcZK1PpagoWwBt1GOi7NCYYpuXaTaZ3KpuO1P9SbR6oX1eooWIJKHZhV+sfZEQ3HPNqHrjwj6bbe80= ; Message-ID: <20050128142959.67274.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:29:59 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Check out Tara's http://www.costumes.org There's a lot of good links through there. Perhaps contact the ladies at www.trulyvictorian.com as well ? Chris Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: Hi, all! Since haridos and headgear are important parts of an overall look, I'm hoping this won't be considered off-topic. :) The background: I'm going to an event this summer (a LARP, actually, but the Norwegian kind which I gather is somewhat different from the American) which aims to be as historically correctly costumed as it is possible to get people to do for a one-off event. I plan to have a pretty strong focus on authenticity, but because of the part I'm playing (the rich but tasteless brothel owner) I'm going to incorporate some Hollywoodism as well. Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. Ralph Waldo Emerson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:34:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEYMIr018529 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:34:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEXkZj002372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEXkUB084745; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEUlNh082770 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC9122BF0066; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:30:41 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Jan 05 14:30:39 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c50546$12b49000$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9a.1ee6bdd5.2f2b9c66@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:31:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did you do the Red Queen and White Queen for the TV production of Alice Through the Looking Glass? I am beginning to get the idea of what your work might look like..I think. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s > hi kathleen its pippa > thank,s for the information about the crinoline pattern,s,i mainly make stage > TV[Television] and theatre dresses and crinoline,s all of which are > inflatable, as i have been developing the modern crinoline for fashion houses for over > 20 year,s andthe modern version of the tradition victorian period crinoline > dresses have been a great success ,and looks like going off the scale in the > near future,with other countrys wanting us to open stores and publicise the > inflatable dress. > we do have an extensive stock of patterns but this particular gown,i cannot > find , any working pattern,s ,but what you have suggested has been of help and > thank you for taking the time to get back to me on it. > the actual wedding of this lady is in may of this year, and she wants the > whole bang, big inflatable crinolines for the bridesmaids ,plus her wedding > dress, horses carriages the lot,, and the biggest problem i have got will be > finding a period open top cariage for her,horses are not a problem, well take care > of yourself > Pippa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:39:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEdpSg018575 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:39:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEdAZj002720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEd7d0088101; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEXZXw084600 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21097 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:44:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:44:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197927A4@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Teddy wrote: > Since Robin came up with pretty much the same thing, I think it must > be one of these "deperate costumer" things..... Heh. I learned some version of it from my mother, when I was a child. She was a graphic artist, and I used the trick for years for tasks like pasteup, drawing, lettering, etc. I'm showing it to my kids, now, to help them make tidy projects when they have to glue things in straight lines. (You put a piece of grid paper or lined paper beneath the one you're gluing on, so you can use the lines as reference when you glue.) Another tip: Most light-box substitutes require a piece of glass. If you don't need a huge surface, go to the cheapest drugstore and get the cheapest picture frame you can find that comes with glass. Throw away the frame. ;-) Also: Put masking tape or electrical tape around the edges of your glass, so you don't cut yourself in handling, and so it doesn't make nasty scratches on your nice table. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:42:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEgGwx018584 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEflZj002884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:41:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEfiYh089937; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:41:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEa5PR086185 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21143 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:47:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:47:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dresses and computers In-Reply-To: <154.497f3713.2f2b605c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am seeing a lot of messages like the one below from Pippa. Pippa, are these meant for the list, or for individuals who have contacted you directly? It would be less confusing for the rest of us if you sent individual responses only to those people you are speaking with, not to the list address. Thanks. --Robin On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 KV59213@aol.com wrote: > hi bob, if you are looking for inflatable dresses and fashion wear email me, > but if you are into retro computers, or d i y computer parts and building > contact steve on this email addressed to steve > Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 09:51:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SEpAAO018632 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:51:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEoVZj003356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEoQvt095542; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SEoNb5095453 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9b.57dfca64 (3657) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.57dfca64.2f2bab1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:50:06 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi Kathleen, no i did not do that one, but i did an american version of this, when alice crawled through the white rabbits burrow, and alice fell down the shaft, and her dress inflated like a parachute,which was a tricky one, because we had to have a special valve fitted to the dress where it would blow up instantly like a parachute, that was difficult ,so we had to get a grand prix engineering compnay who my husband worked for to make it,along with all his moans and groan,s [typical Man], but he would not have thought twice if it was a flipping engine part for the cars. we did a massive inflatable crinoline some years ago now for a drama, for a witch, where the dress was really hard with air, and the witch killer had to shoot arrow,s into her dress and as the dress deflated, the witch deflated and melted,,that was difficult to get the pressure right and to stop the arrow,s sailing through the dress into the girl inside, but we cured that with a thick leather panel hung inside the air chamber of the dress Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:09:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SF9olE018737 for ; 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 7:37 AM -0700 1/28/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Have you ever seen pvc coated taffeta? I'm not sure it even exists. >I >> work with pvc fabric a lot, but none of it resembles taffeta at all. > >It'll be out there *somewhere*. If they do pvc coated children's >patchwork prints I'm sure they *must* do taffeta. I think the printed On one of the cable shows theyu had a do-it yer self solution--iron on or stick on PVC to make your own fabric. I know I saw the plastic stuff at JoAnns near the wash away embroidery stuff.. Ta Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFDJku018762 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFCZZj005224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:12:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFCT0A011081; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SF8kCL008162 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m57.in-tch.com [216.166.191.57]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0SF5lI23674 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:05:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41FA56AB.7090106@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:13:47 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I'm agreeing that the two clearer objects do look to me like a fan and a belt end, respectively, I'm also wondering (and going out on a huge limb, here): Could the items be his saint's items? You know, the items often depicted with saints, that act as clues to which saint the painting or statue refers to? --sue Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Hmmmm. > > The strap suggests either the end of a belt (rest of the belt under the > rope belt) or just a random strap for something which St. P attached to > his rope belt to have handy. > > The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why St. P > would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. > > I'd like to hear other people's theories. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:17:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFH6FO018794 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:17:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFGVZj005723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:16:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFGS6v014178; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:16:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SF9UOL008737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SF32TA010056 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:03:02 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:03:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FA55A8.1080403@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:09:28 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Another tip: Most light-box substitutes require a piece of glass. If you > don't need a huge surface, go to the cheapest drugstore and get the > cheapest picture frame you can find that comes with glass. Throw away the > frame. ;-) Or you can get acrylic or plexiglas sheets from the hardware store. Then you can throw them around without worry. I use such stuff for doing "fake stained glass" so I don't need to worry about the kids grabbing it and breaking it -- or husbands who aren't paying attention and wander into walls.... -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:19:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFJg5n018853 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:19:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFJCZj005936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFJ9vm016055; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFBMuI010145 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005012815111601300k8uute>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:11:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:11:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:PVC coated cloth.... From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not PVC, but fashionfabricsclub.com once in a while has waterproofed silks from raincoat manufacturers. Lauren > At 7:37 AM -0700 1/28/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >>> Have you ever seen pvc coated taffeta? I'm not sure it even exists. >> I >>> work with pvc fabric a lot, but none of it resembles taffeta at all. >> >> It'll be out there *somewhere*. If they do pvc coated children's >> patchwork prints I'm sure they *must* do taffeta. I think the printed > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFPh9b018911 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:25:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFP8Zj006494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:25:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFP3kj020488; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFOotM020323 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BBD22F2D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A536114E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:45 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:45 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:45 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03F07138@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? Thread-Index: AcUFSBetvhyCxWfaQEilVvDRZnOfiQAAkygg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 15:24:45.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F1B1870:01C5054D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0SFOotM020323 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've spent quite a while trying to search for how to recreate hairstyles from 1865. The two best sources I've found are: http://demode.tweedlebop.com/vic_hair.html And the book _Victorian & Edwardian Beauty: Hairstyles and Beauty Preparations_ by Daniela Turudich. Unfortunately Amazon doesn't seem to carry it. I found it in a local independent bookstore a year or so. It is a reprint of two different period how-to guides (spaced about 20 years apart) aimed at hairdressers. Therefore, it's a little difficult to follow -- there aren't any step-by-step pictures, it's mostly written text next to a picture showing the finished product. But it's better then nothing. If you're willing to go with something from a slightly different time frame, these sites might help: http://www.geocities.com/motozulli/Hairbasics.html http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/hairstyles.html (no instructions, just pictures) Once upon a time I found a lovely site with how-to pictures for 1910 hairstyles but I cannot find it again... -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:50:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFoPdl019217 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFncZj008867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFn432039825; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SFmDss039168 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 15:47:57 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128154839.0149b598@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:49:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:05 28/01/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, all! Since haridos and headgear are important parts of an overall >look, I'm hoping this won't be considered off-topic. :) > >The background: I'm going to an event this summer (a LARP, actually, but >the Norwegian kind which I gather is somewhat different from the >American) which aims to be as historically correctly costumed as it is >possible to get people to do for a one-off event. I plan to have a >pretty strong focus on authenticity, but because of the part I'm playing >(the rich but tasteless brothel owner) I'm going to incorporate some >Hollywoodism as well. This means things like maybe eveningwear and >decolletage during the day, and preferably some really flambuoyant hair. >Which, as I don't plan to cut a fringe/bangs for this one week, probably >means that I need to be stuck in the 1870's hairwise. Something I don't >really know how to do, although I know there will have to be major >amounts of fake hairpieces involved! > >I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for books or maybe online articles >that deal with the actual doing-up of 1870's and 1880's hairstyles? I've >found some articles about hair_care_, but I don't seem to be able to >find anything that can teach me how to put it up correctly. I'll >probably be able to scrape by anyhow, but a guide would help a lot. I don't know if these pages are of any help to you. http://intimelyfashion.com/index2.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:55:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFtKwl019298 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:55:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFrlZj009288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFrk3n043656; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@serrano.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFnBl6039864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asj2001@columbia.edu) Received: from VAIO (dyn-ec-193-218.dyn.columbia.edu [160.39.193.218]) (user=asj2001 mech=LOGIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0SFn8Sb025217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:49:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c50550$a58d9890$9865fea9@VAIO> From: "Alexia S. Jacobs" To: References: <200501280935.j0S9Zdel016681@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:47:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mardi Gras/ Carnival X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carnival, or Fasnacht (I may very easily have spelled this wrong), is very big in parts of Switzerland, particularly Basel where my boyfriend comes from. There are also a lot of wonderful carnival artifacts, paintings, prints etc. in Basel museums, the earliest being Medieval. If you would like more information, I can look through my books sometime this weekend and also try to describe what happens every year. I end up watching various parts of it on the internet every year. I hope this helps! Alexia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 10:57:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SFv1vk019314 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:57:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SFuKZj009502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:56:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFuHMh045673; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:56:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from silver.wightman.ca (silver.wightman.ca [216.249.0.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SFnr64040456 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by silver.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B58F5B4E9 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from silver.wightman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (silver.wightman.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20486-01 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by silver.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id DDD2F5B4DA for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701c50551$041b1220$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200501281436.j0SEahf6086585@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:49:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wightman.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks all for your input. A few comments: Prick and pounce method: I may yet have to resort to this time-proven but time-consuming method for this project, simply because of the scope and delicacy. Lightboard: The garment pieces are too large to effectively be able to use a lightboard of any type, even the diningroom table idea (which is brilliant, btw). And, unfortunately, my loft/studio is not under renovation as yet, and so the lightboard table (8'x4') has not yet been manufactured by my husband. We're hoping for some time this year, but we all know about the plans of mice and wo/men. :-) Vilene: I have been warned by Bjarne this product leaves the fabric very stiff after washing. I will do a test piece when my order arrives. graphite paper: This was suggested to me by Bjarne and I will do an experiment with it also when my order arrives. I'll also make a mylar master of the design while I'm at it. While I have done projects of this scope before, I've never had a problem with dressmaker's carbon rubbing off on the fabric. Of course, I've never worked with such light wool/silk twill before, and I suspect because of the very slight, almost invisible, nap there is to the fabric there is enough abrasion there to cause the carbon paper to transfer. I've waited a long time to make this frock coat for myself. A few more weeks won't hurt, despite my impatience. Again, my thanks to all. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 11:11:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SGB1vk019400 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:11:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SGAGZj011156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:10:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SG9eJ2056944; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:09:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SG97LG056425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SG8wn0057243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:08:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0SG8wJZ057242; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:08:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:08:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <60966.165.236.184.195.1106928538.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:08:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/689/Thu Jan 27 06:33:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am not sure how much this will help you but I once found a victorian doll pattern that include how to do the hair styles. I typed them up and scanned the drawings and put them online. Now this is really old and I do not know if it really does apply but it is a step by step how to do the hair. I have tried it on my hair and my daughter's and it does work. Insert all sorts of disclaimer here for whatever. Here is the url. http://www.glove.org/costume/hair/ Ingrid G. Storrø said: > Hi, all! Since haridos and headgear are important parts of an > overall > look, I'm hoping this won't be considered off-topic. :) > > The background: I'm going to an event this summer (a LARP, actually, > but > the Norwegian kind which I gather is somewhat different from the > American) which aims to be as historically correctly costumed as it > is > possible to get people to do for a one-off event. I plan to have a > pretty strong focus on authenticity, but because of the part I'm > playing > (the rich but tasteless brothel owner) I'm going to incorporate some > Hollywoodism as well. This means things like maybe eveningwear and > decolletage during the day, and preferably some really flambuoyant > hair. > Which, as I don't plan to cut a fringe/bangs for this one week, > probably > means that I need to be stuck in the 1870's hairwise. Something I > don't > really know how to do, although I know there will have to be major > amounts of fake hairpieces involved! > > I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for books or maybe online > articles > that deal with the actual doing-up of 1870's and 1880's hairstyles? > I've > found some articles about hair_care_, but I don't seem to be able to > find anything that can teach me how to put it up correctly. I'll > probably be able to scrape by anyhow, but a guide would help a lot. > > Any hints are very welcome! :) > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - > www.decna.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - > www.decna.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 11:43:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SGhMcU019637 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:43:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SGgRZj014451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] alice in wonderbra dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO the alice in wonderland dress is really nice, but its not totally inflatable,it has a co,2 filled balloon stuck underneath. for the dress to be totally inflatable, it would have to be made of pvc or someother airtight material, and the actual dress itself would have to have a valve on it and the dress would have to be filled with air then have the stopper put back in to stop the dress deflating again Sara Atkins PFI _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 14:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SJfWIx022568 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SJeYZj003120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SJeUIn038962; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:40:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SJeSK0038841 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A5231DEB0078; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:40:19 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Jan 05 19:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c50571$54f03980$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:41:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bradfield book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0SJfWIx022568 Status: RO I seem to have come up with yet one more book of "Costume in Detail". Except for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. I do not recall anyone on H-Costume ever mentioning it since I joined the list in the early '90's. So, trying to gain a copy of Costume Up Close, I seem to have garnered this new edition of the Bradfield. Wow. Sure wish I had found this 20 years ago when I was trying to translate 2D pics into 3D costumes. My only consolation now is to discover that my pattern shapes conformed to the original designs necessary to attempt reconstructions. And the wealth for assessories like hats and shoes and gloves... I did discover Arnold fairly early on, and ended up trying to grid my needs based on her method. Sort of a "point in aria" approach. The Dress in Detail that I was enthusiastically referring to earlier in January is by Rosemary Crill, Jennifer Wearden and Verity Wilson. (It finally rejoined my library from Boston) Once again, like Fashion in Detail, the authors present fabrics, constructions, fastenings and such form various cultures around the globe. Within a Culture, it is interesting to observe that Necessity is (really) the Mother of Invention! How to take the commonplace and create Art. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 14:46:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SJkFuW022634 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:46:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SJjBZj003487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SJjAtv042792; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:cwougVVDEmsRaApPSb990nxuzepceelz@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SJj7EH042717 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j0SJj6ES023378 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:45:06 -0500 Received: from dci012034013198.discovery.com ([12.34.13.198]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49672.12.34.13.198.1106941506.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <149.3df288a1.2f2beb30@aol.com> References: <149.3df288a1.2f2beb30@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] alice in wonderbra dress From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw a few inflatable costumes at Halloween last year. The neckline & cuffs were not airtight, but they had fans built into the costume that continually blew air into them. i suppose the fan noise might not work for stage use, but they did not need a valve to stop them deflating. -Carol > the alice in wonderland dress is really nice, but its not totally > inflatable,it has a co,2 filled balloon stuck underneath. > for the dress to be totally inflatable, it would have to be made of pvc or > someother airtight material, and the actual dress itself would have to > have a valve on it and the dress would have to be filled with air then > have the stopper put back in to stop the dress deflating again > > > Sara Atkins > PFI _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 15:16:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SKGuvT023076 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:16:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SKG1Zj008229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SKFsiS069638; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SKFnA1069453 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12291 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 20:15:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=m42ImrEGqLMaKEFUyyDGAd2NMPrSQmQ2POzmjbgvw4ymNIFr6CfCwsGo+bVJaIUnitidyljFla0T7RPyEWMTuyhwrTX9cJDovD3Yl/4n4I/bM3qzjZN/ka1UD0KJZ8GkBjJznAodM03U7YuI8Jd63VYk7n6Ggh43N7XVM+ci5ws= ; Message-ID: <20050128201536.12289.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:15:36 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002f01c50571$54f03980$755183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have it to and I love it. It's a wonderful book!!! I found my copy on e-bay. I couldn't afford Janet Arnold at the time and I 'settled' for this only to be happily amazed with it. Chris Lloyd Mitchell wrote: I seem to have come up with yet one more book of "Costume in Detail". Except for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. I do not recall anyone on H-Costume ever mentioning it since I joined the list in the early '90's. So, trying to gain a copy of Costume Up Close, I seem to have garnered this new edition of the Bradfield. Wow. Sure wish I had found this 20 years ago when I was trying to translate 2D pics into 3D costumes. My only consolation now is to discover that my pattern shapes conformed to the original designs necessary to attempt reconstructions. And the wealth for assessories like hats and shoes and gloves... I did discover Arnold fairly early on, and ended up trying to grid my needs based on her method. Sort of a "point in aria" approach. The Dress in Detail that I was enthusiastically referring to earlier in January is by Rosemary Crill, Jennifer Wearden and Verity Wilson. (It finally rejoined my library from Boston) Once again, like Fashion in Detail, the authors present fabrics, constructions, fastenings and such form various cultures around the globe. Within a Culture, it is interesting to observe that Necessity is (really) the Mother of Invention! How to take the commonplace and create Art. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 15:21:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SKLMue023148 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SKKOZj008743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SKKNqP073456; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52807.mail.yahoo.com (web52807.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SKGwaA070530 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87429 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 20:16:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vQ3GGcD7ObmwzIm9DwpivOCKogINW5sNZF7mI6YinNvNOYy4UwNswskMl1VzXi0aqID2pvzXd3VPAQtO6cAJHQX0EfdKpQFR5d84X8l0RKw2V1ZhHKkLflGkkiydisduWRW1f4onONGAZiZBBxYhru0iT1ap76nRK+VTLY7KfWM= ; Message-ID: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:52 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003701c50551$041b1220$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, all -- Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the stit! ches if I embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this on dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. Thank you in advance for your advice -- KP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 15:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SKo4CM023575 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SKnHZj012266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:49:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SKn3Fn098140; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SKmrQC097954 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0SKmixa022774 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:48:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050128154614.06f06eb0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:47:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:52:33 -0500, "Five Rivers" wrote: Maybe you're looking at this from the wrong, I mean right, side, Lorina? Would it be any help to transfer the design to the "wrong" (hidden) side of the fabric and work "upside down" -- or at least use that to do a quick running stitch around the edges of the design that you could either work over or unstitch at the end of everything? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 16:29:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SLTX4x024217 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SLSQZj016388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLSHVD031793; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav35.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLS7iV031601 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV35.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:27:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050127182217.56800.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> <009d01c504f7$1c2d4810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:27:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:27:41 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 21:28:00.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E20D8E0:01C50580] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0SLTX4x024217 Status: RO Is Mardi Gras / Carnival celebrated in Canada and/or Central America? It's celebrated in Mexico. I don't think it's a big deal all over the country but the city of Merida, on the Yucatan Peninsula, has parades for several days. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 16:33:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SLXrLo024284 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SLWjZj016876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:32:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLWdgg035546; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav33.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLW8Z9034996 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV33.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:31:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050126143126.00d873d0@pop.surewest.net> <003701c5050f$321962e0$8490d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sale on Wool Gabardine Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:31:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:31:57 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 21:32:00.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD4C7560:01C50580] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0SLXrLo024284 Status: RO I'll thank Joan for posting to the list because I ordered some (2 different colors) and had to exert willpower to avoid buying more things. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 16:57:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SLvcoG024638 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:57:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SLuSZj019182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:56:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLuKmn055618; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SLtCwA054689 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so748864wra for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:55:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=VcTdg5X6O6AuAylP6UgWzJMOERj07J/elMoKZEFB2m7c/DsWRh+6Ghb1LiAmK+X6nRMj/SKzy6AQOutQeHA0BhifWiTFS2AVTSPP4CyzOoB+i5bBp9Dc+YcRPtWoT4u8WNsO47PGFRzxW360LxmDJe+EPUOo3IN41HOcBTFAyOQ= Received: by 10.54.6.5 with SMTP id 5mr86159wrf; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm142384wra.2005.01.28.13.54.38; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F86F7@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0SLtCwA054689 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes and No. In Quebec the Mardi Gras festival turned into Carnaval, a celebration of -40 degree weather, caribou (the alcohol)and ceinture flêchée. It takes place in early february regardless of Easter. Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:28 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mardi Gras / Carnival Is Mardi Gras / Carnival celebrated in Canada and/or Central America? Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 17:04:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SM4h3i024791 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:04:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SM39Zj019741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SM35NO061501; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:03:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0SLvsK7056876 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 21:57:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128215608.0149b778@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:59:28 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <20050128201536.12289.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002f01c50571$54f03980$755183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 12:15 28/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I have it to and I love it. It's a wonderful book!!! I found my copy on >e-bay. I couldn't afford Janet Arnold at the time and I 'settled' for >this only to be happily amazed with it. > >Chris > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >I seem to have come up with yet one more book of "Costume in Detail". I have been fortunate to use this book for over twenty years. It is so full of interest. I only wish she, or someone, had done the same for men's costume, 'cos if there is one out there, I haven't found it. I have the Avril Hart/Susan North "Fashion in Detail" and am expecting two more "detail" books ("Costume in Detail and another) in the spring, carried by a friend from the States, but one purely on men's costume, nowhere! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 17:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SMFoPS024988 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SMExZj021067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:15:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMEuBK071784; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SM9UcR066748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:4678 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CueIs-0007jW-4x for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:09:22 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0SMZHCF085493 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:35:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0SMZGL3085492 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:35:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501282235.j0SMZGL3085492@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the st! itches if I > embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! I had responded to this on one of the other lists that she posted the query on. I've stitched both on black velvet and satin this way. I took a pieve of muslin and transfered the design to that -- then I basted the muslin to the *wrong* side of the fabric and then just embroidered from the back. I'm in the middle of The Very *un*Period Celtic Design on a set of italian sleeves in floss and metallic thread. The muslin is so lightweight that I have not found it to be a problem. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 17:16:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SMGi3w025003 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:16:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SMB6Zj020713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMB0V2068409; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SM29A1060655 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-47-60.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.47.60]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SM1rvF012819 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:02:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050128134736.0249cce0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:52:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <002f01c50571$54f03980$755183d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by >Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. The first edition has some color photos of a few of the costumes, and the second edition has more costume drawings instead. Check the drawings of the same dresses as Nancy Bradfield drew them and as and Janet Arnold did - the proportions are slightly different! Bradfield has more dresses but Arnold has patterns. I have both. Bradfield did another book of drawings, covering from periods from which no garments survive to the 1960s, and the re-drawings aren't as accurate. I had one of these and sold it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 17:22:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SMMOtR025076 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SMLFZj021768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMLBgP077127; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao07.cox.net (lakermmtao07.cox.net [68.230.240.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMKrW4076833 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.183]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20050128222047.UNQM20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:20:47 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:20:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792795@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcUD+cSRFMp7a4BrTTesqb/emwP2FAAcNS4QAEc8OqA= Message-Id: <20050128222047.UNQM20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just KNEW there had to be a use for a glass topped table:) Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Teddy Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:23 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery transfer problem > Use a light > board isn't an option because the pieces are too large. I never had a light board/box, but when I lived at home with my parents I discovered that their glass-topped coffee table (large and round) with a desk-lamp or bedside lamp underneath made a great super-sized lightbox, a did my sister's glass-topped dining table. Don't know if that's any help to you? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 17:46:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SMksU1025506 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:46:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SMk2Zj024356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMjpYN096795; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SMjjPg096670 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cues1-000LYU-83 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:45:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:44:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would agree this looks like a knife. The "holes" are where the seam of the scabbard is joined - either stitching or riveting holes, or possibly decoration on a brass edge strip. Jean Beth and Bob Matney wrote >When I expanded the image, the object to the right of the heart shaped >object clearly looked (to me at least) like a small knife in a sheath. >If you look closely you can see the handle protruding from the sheath. >This was a common object that everyone carried: religious, secular, >male and female..even older children. > >I have not a clue as to the heart shaped object partially behind the >knife, unless it is a small purse or pouch. > >Beth > >At 06:52 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: >>o the right of it is something else which i can't quite make out: >>perhaps a thin leather(?) strap, looped in a half-hitch around the belt at the >>top and ending in a series of regularly punched holes. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 18:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SNB36K025877 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:11:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SNAIZj026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SN9ahP016049; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SN9W23015908 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.183]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050128230925.KYXP2202.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:09:25 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] patterns for crinoline,s Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050128140114.0149b450@127.0.0.1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcUFQ/fnyR+rcpfsSzu5ZjFKV5HdiQASlVEA Message-Id: <20050128230925.KYXP2202.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would also LOVE to see these inflatable clothes. Anne It would be really interesting to see one of your dresses. Do you have a web site we can look at? I have heard of an inflatable cloak, but not an inflatable crinoline. I have a cartoon of an inflatable crinoline I think, from the English satirical magazine "Punch", which thought crinolines were not a good idea!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 18:37:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SNbNao026246 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SNagZj001154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNabvL038277; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNaXWX038129 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:36:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12e.5655b9f7 (4552) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:36:23 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.5655b9f7.2f2c2677@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:36:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bradfield's book is incredible - I used to use it at my local library, then saw a copy of the first ed. (with the photos) on a friend's stall at the re-enactors market in Oxford, and snapped it up on the spot! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 18:52:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SNqLpq026451 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:52:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SNpjZj003818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNpgeK050697; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNpaug050553 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F23A3398E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 1992E33992 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:51:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c50594$62a97aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:51:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Would it be any help to transfer the design to the "wrong" (hidden) side of > the fabric and work "upside down" -- or at least use that to do a quick > running stitch around the edges of the design that you could either work > over or unstitch at the end of everything? Would it were that easy, Brenda. :-) That thought had also occurred to me, but I had to quickly dismiss it. The design is very complex and I'm afraid by the time I outlined everything I might as well have embroidered the whole thing. But thanks for thinking of me. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 18:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0SNxWHT026547 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:59:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SNwmZj004758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNwfQO055988; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0SNw6LW055538 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.83.201a9cd6 (3858) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <83.201a9cd6.2f2c2b85@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:57:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/28/2005 6:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: Bradfield's book is incredible - I used to use it at my local library, then saw a copy of the first ed. (with the photos) on a friend's stall at the re-enactors market in Oxford, and snapped it up on the spot! First ed has photos? I need to look for it. Second ed has more garments in an appendix. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 19:02:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T02Ecx026596 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T01eZj005157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:01:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T01dqv058281; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T002d0057050 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD943399C for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id C56683398E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:00:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c50595$9280aea0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kathryn, Given you're working on velveteen, if this were my work I'd transfer the design either with a white dressmaker's carbon or white graphite paper. The nap on velveteen, in my experience, is short enough to take the transfer provided you're not working with a very intricate or complex design. (Like my own dilemma at the moment.) You could also quite successfully do a prick and pounce method on this and then draw in the design using a thin acrylic wash in yellow or white. Again, depends on how complex and intricate the design is. And yet another method would be to use a tear-away stabilizer if you're going to be using mostly fill stitches such as satin, stem or split. Just a word of caution, Kathryn: if you're working on velvet or velveteen I urge you to frame the project in a scroll bar frame, and edge your fabric first with a twill tape. I think you'll find a hoop will tend to crush the pile to the point it will show the hoop marks, perhaps permanently. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 19:06:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T06D5l026631 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T05VZj005711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T05Suw061001; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T04vlM060635 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C4F425D5 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41FAD2F2.9020608@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:04:02 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> <000d01c50594$62a97aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <000d01c50594$62a97aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Five Rivers wrote: > > Would it were that easy, Brenda. :-) That thought had also occurred to > me, but I had to quickly dismiss it. The design is very complex and I'm > afraid by the time I outlined everything I might as well have embroidered > the whole thing. But thanks for thinking of me. What I've done with complex embroidery onto velvet and heavy wool is to make a template, kind of like you would for stencilling, and use chalk to transfer part of the design at a time. I suppose that is similar to pouncing, except that since the chalk rubs off easily with handling, and there may be large areas to transfer, I can repeatedly apply the template to refresh my chalk lines as needed, or to apply lines to as-yet unmarked areas. I cut 1/8" lines in my template material, which allows me to place it over work I've already done and line it up accurately. It takes some time to cut the template out, but it makes it much easier to re-use. I draw the chalk likes with the thin side of tailor's chalk, the kind that comes in squares. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 19:38:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T0c8Mw026757 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:38:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T0atZj011223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T0amIo083845; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T0ajhj083812 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB100HLOZ19R0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.79] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.142]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:36:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:36:45 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] male and female things To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, If you were closer to "New" Jersey I would come over and help you with all that 'Hanyman' stuff in exchange for a new outfit (circa 1530 England) I'll even supply the fabric! I love working with tools, and fixing cars, and carpentry... Did I tell you I'm female?? My SO is the Cook, Maid and Chief Bottle-Washer of the house. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > Hi, I can tell you that in this house we have no handyman anywhere. In our bathroom, i have hangers wich are sticked to the wall. When it breaks and fall down, a new one comes up. I have a small wall cabinet i buyed from Ikea 5 years ago, wich still is in its box. I dont dare to pack it up because i know i have to use a driller to fix it. > So it still is waiting for a handyman. The lack of a handy man is to be seen every where in the house i can tell you.Me and Leif are not Handymen......... > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 20:41:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T1fhET027160 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:41:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T1epZj018695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:40:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T1e3O0025277; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T1bVgU023659 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m39.in-tch.com [216.166.191.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0T1YVI22017 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:34:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41FAEA08.80005@in-tch.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:42:32 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem References: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The one time I clearly recall doing extensive embroidery on a napped fabric (mine was corduroy), what I did was mark the *back* of the fabric with my intended design (you'd have to watch it with letters, though!). I think I used a fabric pencil. I then transferred the design elements to the front with a basting thread. Hope that makes sense! --sue Kathryn Parke wrote: > Hello, all -- > Now -- what would you recommend as the best way > to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard > won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would > make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the > names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, > OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth > (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the > stabilizer might distort the stit! ches if I embroider closely > directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jan 28 20:46:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T1kg0X027187 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:46:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T1joZj019082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T1jjQ4029183; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T1c3ip023976 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-67-101-239-207.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[67.101.239.207]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2005012901375711200qrbmpe> (Authid: Kiloran); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:37:57 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050128172528.01fba5d0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:37:57 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:14 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:52:50 -0800 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20050128134736.0249cce0@mail.frys.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by > >Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. > >The first edition has some color photos of a few of the costumes, and the >second edition has more costume drawings instead. > >Check the drawings of the same dresses as Nancy Bradfield drew them and as >and Janet Arnold did - the proportions are slightly different! Bradfield >has more dresses but Arnold has patterns. I have both. > >Bradfield did another book of drawings, covering from periods from which no >garments survive to the 1960s, and the re-drawings aren't as accurate. I >had one of these and sold it. I've had a first edition of the Bradfield book for years and years, and it's just about my single favorite costume book of all time. I knew there was a second edition, but I didn't know they'd added material to the book!! What time period are the costumes that were added? And I agree on Bradfield's other books, they are nowhere near the quality of Costume In Detail. It's a pity, because Costume In Detail is such a remarkable resource. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 04:04:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T941Sn018756 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:04:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T92hZj015465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T92X4o079493; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T92QTV079420 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-38-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.38.97]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T8vsbt028873 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:58:01 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050129005535.033d0428@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:56:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <12e.5655b9f7.2f2c2677@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Bradfield's book is incredible - I used to use it at my local library, then >saw a copy of the first ed. (with the photos) on a friend's stall at the >re-enactors market in Oxford, and snapped it up on the spot! I used to use a first edition at a college library, then found a second edition, many years later, in Sydney, Australia. This was about 3 hours before I got on the plane for home, so I grabbed it quick. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 04:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0T99YBZ019251 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T994Zj015909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T990Vd082813; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0T98Aig082338 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-38-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.38.97]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0T93ebt000877 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:03:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050129010213.032d3af0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:04:20 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050128172528.01fba5d0@ipostoffice.worldnet.at t.net> References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I've had a first edition of the Bradfield book for years and years, and >it's just about my single favorite costume book of all time. I knew there >was a second edition, but I didn't know they'd added material to the >book!! What time period are the costumes that were added? In the second edition she added a Regency dress, with mitts and bonnet, a 1912-ish dress, and an article about women riding bicycles. She removed the color pictures to make room for these. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 05:06:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TA6KVI030163 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TA5MZj018218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:05:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TA540E011105; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41015.mail.yahoo.com (web41015.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0TA52Fg011023 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37697 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 10:04:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ToMCMyVGC7BKUGUUQIpnthjeOv9kgWyIzaZ1HBvLIJc57rrJ6x7z6CgShT50aoN+HQO3wJ778xZADHxsckDZZT5OSD1TvqSpDIe68c78otxniAgxrXn3S8Ufvd1nQpTJr295sBECN2MV8+L5FF+7nOdAX2s1j1qNNMi6xUXqnpA= ; Message-ID: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:04:55 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Get a plastic folder and prick the design, then mix some water and flour together, put the plastic folder on the fabric and paint with the flourmixture so the it goes through the tiny holes, the design will show as small whitish dots, that can be gently scratched away. Works wonders on velvet and all dark coloured embroidery backgrounds. Tania Denmark Kathryn Parke wrote: Hello, all -- Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the stit! ches if I embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this on dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. Thank you in advance for your advice -- KP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 05:27:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TARk1a005182 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TARAZj019629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TAR4ZN022648; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41002.mail.yahoo.com (web41002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0TAR1N9022576 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55892 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 10:26:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HqbGAo2RrLbSydfWEjtvDYATYAeqkZCMikXyUivxrd+NxKLhM1v+0+JolNx7KtX69LBxl/14Nd+1CKBpS5A5CWrUuimImm96WRJlkZLoR8vZm73ySkgTASS/n/+JWiOXCK2zV6OtsKq1eKh2yhM+9U0r0Kgn0X6yuOq8339uBKw= ; Message-ID: <20050129102656.55890.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:26:56 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:26:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I forgot to mention to let it dry, these little dots won't go off as easily as chalk, so you do not necessarily have to do anything else to connect the dots Tania Tania Gruning wrote: Hi. Get a plastic folder and prick the design, then mix some water and flour together, put the plastic folder on the fabric and paint with the flourmixture so the it goes through the tiny holes, the design will show as small whitish dots, that can be gently scratched away. Works wonders on velvet and all dark coloured embroidery backgrounds. Tania Denmark Kathryn Parke wrote: Hello, all -- Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the stit! ches if I embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this on dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. Thank you in advance for your advice -- KP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. 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Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 06:24:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TBOI72019565 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:24:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TBNZZj021917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TBNTHn053688; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:23:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TBNQY5053630 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.cd.20bddb8c (3866) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:23:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:23:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/28/2005 8:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: I knew there was a second edition, but I didn't know they'd added material to the book!! What time period are the costumes that were added? Two early 19th century dresses with a Quaker provenance; an 1810s wedding pelisse, and a 1910s evening dress. Since early 19th c. is my period, I especially like the 2 early 19th c. bibfront gowns. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 06:35:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TBZED3022124 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:35:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TBYWZj022343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TBYRmW059195; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TBYMJd059134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0TBRqov010399 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:27:53 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:27:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FB74BB.4040507@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:34:19 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the visitors to my website has asked if I know of any "medieval shops where they have medieval-like clothing in the UK." I figure with such fine re-enactment companies over there, you must have some good sources as well as making things yourself. Any pointers would be much appreciated, and I'll forward them onward. Thanks, cv -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 07:14:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TCEGDs002204 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TCDaZj024531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TCDOF7080320; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:13:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0TCDDrb080115 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 12:13:05 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050129121132.0149b8a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:14:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? In-Reply-To: <41FB74BB.4040507@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:34 29/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >One of the visitors to my website has asked if I know of any "medieval >shops where they have medieval-like clothing in the UK." > >I figure with such fine re-enactment companies over there, you must have >some good sources as well as making things yourself. Any pointers would >be much appreciated, and I'll forward them onward. No, as far as I know there are no "shops where they have medieval-like clothing" unless your visitor means "Goth", which case I cannot help. You could send them to me, as I custom make clothing of all periods up to 1900, or you could send them to www.livinghistory.co.uk which is a re-enactors' forum where they will get lots of advice. Teddy might be able to help too. Suzi www.suziclarke.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 07:31:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TCVcNr002350 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TCUrZj025481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TCUgbM089722; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TCUdjn089695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0TCOAov010620 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:24:10 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:24:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FB81EC.7020200@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:30:36 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050129121132.0149b8a8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050129121132.0149b8a8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > No, as far as I know there are no "shops where they have medieval-like > clothing" I don't know if he meant brick-and-mortar store, or somewhat virtual store or home business. I'll send him to that forum, and your website, thanks! (I hadn't looked at your website before - lovely stuff!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:14:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDEZ3M002677 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:14:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDDvZj027714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDDsXO012561; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDDqMu012516 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be49.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.73]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 76EF5262835 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:13:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c50604$67fae960$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050128201652.87427.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:14:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kathryn, I have used tear away paper for one ribbon projekt where my fabric was dark blue. You must be very very carefull when you tear off the paper, but it actually is ok to do it. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm Use a tweezer to help grapping the paper, and also your fine scissors to help to get the paper off. I have realised that this fine paper, dont destroy your scissors like other papers do, so it must be based on same chemicals as fabrics has. This is what i found out because i baught a sharp scissor especially for this, but i discovered that it was just as sharp for cutting threads after i had used it on this paper. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Parke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > Hello, all -- > > Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different > problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon > embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm > doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black > velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free > form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), > but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. > Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to > the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is > too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I > had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and > either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running > stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I > guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the stit! > ches if I > embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most > welcome! Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything > like this on dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined > this list has been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant > work. > > Thank you in advance for your advice -- > KP > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:24:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDOHPo002739 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDNgZj028155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDNdP1017628; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:23:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDNa3G017557 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE5525860092; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:23:33 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <009f01c50605$db1644c0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050128201536.12289.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:25 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine just came from Alibris for $24. after a slight delay. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book > I have it to and I love it. It's a wonderful book!!! I found my copy on e-bay. I couldn't afford Janet Arnold at the time and I 'settled' for this only to be happily amazed with it. > > Chris > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > I seem to have come up with yet one more book of "Costume in Detail". Except for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. I do not recall anyone on H-Costume ever mentioning it since I joined the list in the early '90's. So, trying to gain a copy of Costume Up Close, I seem to have garnered this new edition of the Bradfield. Wow. Sure wish I had found this 20 years ago when I was trying to translate 2D pics into 3D costumes. My only consolation now is to discover that my pattern shapes conformed to the original designs necessary to attempt reconstructions. And the wealth for assessories like hats and shoes and gloves... I did discover Arnold fairly early on, and ended up trying to grid my needs based on her method. Sort of a "point in aria" approach. > > The Dress in Detail that I was enthusiastically referring to earlier in January is by Rosemary Crill, Jennifer Wearden and Verity Wilson. (It finally rejoined my library from Boston) Once again, like Fashion in Detail, the authors present fabrics, constructions, fastenings and such form various cultures around the globe. Within a Culture, it is interesting to observe that Necessity is (really) the Mother of Invention! How to take the commonplace and create Art. > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:29:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDT97Q002777 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDSbZj028424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDSafm020378; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:28:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDSYJ9020317 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:28:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF7F2C500036; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:28:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <00af01c50606$8c6496a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c50571$54f03980$755183d1@rmitchellras> <5.1.0.14.2.20050128215608.0149b778@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:29:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had the same thought yesterday as I was cracking the cover. I kept thinking that she was going to add a page here and there on men's wear. Sigh Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book > At 12:15 28/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >I have it to and I love it. It's a wonderful book!!! I found my copy on > >e-bay. I couldn't afford Janet Arnold at the time and I 'settled' for > >this only to be happily amazed with it. > > > >Chris > > > >Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > >I seem to have come up with yet one more book of "Costume in Detail". > > I have been fortunate to use this book for over twenty years. It is so full > of interest. I only wish she, or someone, had done the same for men's > costume, 'cos if there is one out there, I haven't found it. I have the > Avril Hart/Susan North "Fashion in Detail" and am expecting two more > "detail" books ("Costume in Detail and another) in the spring, carried by a > friend from the States, but one purely on men's costume, nowhere! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:36:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDa5Yl002832 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:36:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDZRZj028735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:35:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDZN3X024495; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDZHPr024369 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A1122C6B0036; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <00b501c50607$7c6ec8a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501282235.j0SMZGL3085492@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:36:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK. So how does this embroidery from the back work? Most stitches will look different from the worked side. Is it a matter of piercing (pricking?) from underneath by sight and laying the true pattern on the top? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > > Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the st! > itches if I > > embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! > > I had responded to this on one of the other lists that she posted > the query on. I've stitched both on black velvet and satin this way. > I took a pieve of muslin and transfered the design to that -- then I > basted the muslin to the *wrong* side of the fabric and then just > embroidered from the back. I'm in the middle of The Very *un*Period > Celtic Design on a set of italian sleeves in floss and metallic thread. > The muslin is so lightweight that I have not found it to be a problem. > > Jerusha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:43:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDhF7H002883 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDgaZj029097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDgVCA028653; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:42:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDgTee028592 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:42:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A2C31FAE008A; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:42:27 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:42:26 -0000 Message-ID: <00bb01c50608$7e685940$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050128134736.0249cce0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:43:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I did notice that the drawings are not particularly in true proportions, especially the skirts. This is not a problem. As sketches from her studies are so copiously annotated, this little detail can be overlooked. This new edition has a nice article on the Bloomer origins as well as several drawings from another later publication. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book > > >for "Fashion in Detail" (Hart and North), I was unaware that this book by > >Nancy Bradfield dealing with the period of 1730-1930 was out there. > > The first edition has some color photos of a few of the costumes, and the > second edition has more costume drawings instead. > > Check the drawings of the same dresses as Nancy Bradfield drew them and as > and Janet Arnold did - the proportions are slightly different! Bradfield > has more dresses but Arnold has patterns. I have both. > > Bradfield did another book of drawings, covering from periods from which no > garments survive to the 1960s, and the re-drawings aren't as accurate. I > had one of these and sold it. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:49:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDnhNI002961 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:49:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDmeZj029368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDmWo9031928; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDmTwE031841 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A42C224C0078; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:48:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <00cf01c50609$55560420$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501282314.j0SNEnXj020163@net.indra.com><000d01c50594$62a97aa0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> <41FAD2F2.9020608@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:49:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now this method sounds like a go to me. I hate to cut stencils, but being able to 'mark and sew' a little a time and to be able to check on placement as the work progresses would make the original stencil exercise well worth the trouble. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: embroidery transfer problem > Five Rivers wrote: > > > > > Would it were that easy, Brenda. :-) That thought had also occurred to > > me, but I had to quickly dismiss it. The design is very complex and I'm > > afraid by the time I outlined everything I might as well have embroidered > > the whole thing. But thanks for thinking of me. > > > What I've done with complex embroidery onto velvet and heavy wool is to > make a template, kind of like you would for stencilling, and use chalk > to transfer part of the design at a time. I suppose that is similar to > pouncing, except that since the chalk rubs off easily with handling, and > there may be large areas to transfer, I can repeatedly apply the > template to refresh my chalk lines as needed, or to apply lines to > as-yet unmarked areas. I cut 1/8" lines in my template material, which > allows me to place it over work I've already done and line it up > accurately. It takes some time to cut the template out, but it makes it > much easier to re-use. I draw the chalk likes with the thin side of > tailor's chalk, the kind that comes in squares. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 08:53:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TDr1nR003016 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDqWZj029628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDqVZx034131; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDqSJF034052 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A51A2CA40036; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:52:26 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:53:17 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This method would surely be quicker than a true stencil, I think. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > Hi. > Get a plastic folder and prick the design, then mix some water and flour together, put the plastic folder on the fabric and paint with the flourmixture so the it goes through the tiny holes, the design will show as small whitish dots, that can be gently scratched away. > Works wonders on velvet and all dark coloured embroidery backgrounds. > Tania > Denmark > > Kathryn Parke wrote: > Hello, all -- > > Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might distort the stit! > ches if I > embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most welcome! Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this on dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. > > Thank you in advance for your advice -- > KP > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 09:00:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TE04cD003068 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:00:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TDxUZj029913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:59:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDxRlG038083; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TDxPlO038016 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A6BB1EA30084; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:59:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 13:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00f701c5060a$dbbc0860$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:00:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you suppose that there was an additional hand doing the drawings for this section? They are so markedly different from the earlier sketches. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book > > In a message dated 1/28/2005 8:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: > > I knew there > was a second edition, but I didn't know they'd added material to the book!! > What time period are the costumes that were added? > > > > Two early 19th century dresses with a Quaker provenance; an 1810s wedding > pelisse, and a 1910s evening dress. > Since early 19th c. is my period, I especially like the 2 early 19th c. > bibfront gowns. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 12:16:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0THGmJ0005051 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] materials suppliers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO we are now about to start makuing some prototype,s of 1950,s inflatable rock and roll skirt,s but we are wondering where we can getfabric backed pvc of the sort that is used in making fake leather jackets, or similar material,but not upholstery vinyl sara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 14:06:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TJ5xIZ006790 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:06:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TJ5NZj019328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:05:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TJ5Jcs022330; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TJ3DQP020981 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-40-140.jps.net ([209.165.40.140] helo=[165.247.224.35]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CuxsB-0006LI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:03:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41FA56AB.7090106@in-tch.com> References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> <41FA56AB.7090106@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:29:59 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: St. Peter's Mystery Accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 8:13 AM -0700 1/28/05, Sue Clemenger wrote: >While I'm agreeing that the two clearer objects do look to me like a >fan and a belt end, respectively, I'm also wondering (and going out >on a huge limb, here): >Could the items be his saint's items? You know, the items often >depicted with saints, that act as clues to which saint the painting >or statue refers to? Not this time -- St. Peter's "diagnostic fashion accessories" are his keys. I may have told this story before on this list, but one of the best little classes I ever took was one titled "Field Guide to the Saints." The class description ended with "Violence, adult themes" since she was showing some of the more gruesome martyrdom legends. (St. Laurence being barbecued, for instance.) The teacher and her husband had made slides of dozens of medieval and Renaissance paintings of saints, each shown with his or her identifying "attribute" (St. Barbara is often shown with a tower, St. Catherine with a wheel, etc.) The most fun was the "pop quiz" at the end, with images we hadn't seen before of some of the same saints. The competition was fierce to be the first to call out "Saint Lucy!" or "Saint John!" -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 14:10:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TJAevK006860 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TIe6Zj017526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TIdtFJ006811; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.primushost.com (smtp2.primushost.com [209.58.220.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TIdnlv006697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:39:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuxVV-0005Uu-Hl; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:39:41 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for id 1CuxPf-0003AU-00; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:33:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: Katy Bishop To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= , Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j0TIdnlv006697 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a book I publish on hairstyles 1850-1920, with illustrations and articles from period sources. I also do custom research. If you wish I could gather just the 1870-1880's info. for you. I have a book planned on just that era but it has not been started yet. How soon would you need it? I have many illustrations from the 1870's available. Are you interested in hats too? I am working on 1830's hair currently as I am heading to Vienna on Thursday to dance for a week, and have to do my hair, which is over a meter long, in an 1830's style. Katy On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: >Hi, all! Since haridos and headgear are important parts of an overall >look, I'm hoping this won't be considered off-topic. :) > >The background: I'm going to an event this summer (a LARP, actually, but >the Norwegian kind which I gather is somewhat different from the >American) which aims to be as historically correctly costumed as it is >possible to get people to do for a one-off event. I plan to have a >pretty strong focus on authenticity, but because of the part I'm playing >(the rich but tasteless brothel owner) I'm going to incorporate some >Hollywoodism as well. This means things like maybe eveningwear and >decolletage during the day, and preferably some really flambuoyant hair. >Which, as I don't plan to cut a fringe/bangs for this one week, probably >means that I need to be stuck in the 1870's hairwise. Something I don't >really know how to do, although I know there will have to be major >amounts of fake hairpieces involved! > >I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for books or maybe online articles >that deal with the actual doing-up of 1870's and 1880's hairstyles? I've >found some articles about hair_care_, but I don't seem to be able to >find anything that can teach me how to put it up correctly. I'll >probably be able to scrape by anyhow, but a guide would help a lot. > >Any hints are very welcome! :) > >Ingrid > >-- >This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no >Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 15:06:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TK6Y6V007914 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:06:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TK5bZj024258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:05:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TK5UaI060259; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TK5SAo060215 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.96] (p32.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.96]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0TK3ac04082 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:03:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <46.61fba652.2f2d1eb7@aol.com> References: <46.61fba652.2f2d1eb7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0986C55B-7232-11D9-A8C9-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] materials suppliers Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:12:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I buy mine wholesale from Sommers. I think it is sommers.com Sylrog On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:15 AM, KV59213@aol.com wrote: > we are now about to start makuing some prototype,s of 1950,s > inflatable rock > and roll skirt,s but we are wondering where we can getfabric backed > pvc of > the sort that is used in making fake leather jackets, or similar > material,but > not upholstery vinyl > sara > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 15:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TKdV3t008385 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:39:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TKcpZj026246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:38:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TKckkc080101; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TKcfiK080052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1804 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuzMZ-0000jp-0u for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:35 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0TL4aCF092921 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:04:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0TL4Z2c092918 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:04:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:04:35 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501292104.j0TL4Z2c092918@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <83.201a9cd6.2f2c2b85@aol.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 1/28/2005 6:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: > > Bradfield's book is incredible - I used to use it at my local library, then > saw a copy of the first ed. (with the photos) on a friend's stall at the > re-enactors market in Oxford, and snapped it up on the spot! My email has been flaky of late -- I think I missed the first post on this subject. Which Bradfield book? I know of one that is a general survey of English Clothing with gorgeous line drawings of each reign, but this sounds like a different book. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 15:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TKrvFr008651 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:53:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TKrEZj027410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:53:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TKr7Fi089006; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52802.mail.yahoo.com (web52802.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0TKr0NX088887 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14785 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 20:52:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zKqumCNoj0rFulAy4a9Mum2qcKmXr85mkjwCkI54MbyUBVbCru95zSlnv6DaDoI4b+01gWwsAmxWSKBYYja/N8AttxUyVeLeT5ocSq6W9lYZzb/GUTDbVL9Xa7OrQ4idcbub82HtjI9lYsUpbMpZa7dbg1nRFZzcGD/+KfrWKvo= ; Message-ID: <20050129205255.14783.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.29.13] by web52802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:52:55 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200501282235.j0SMZGL3085492@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, Jerusha, you're confusing me with someone else -- I've never posted this inquiry before. What is the other list you're speaking of? Is it an embroider/needleworker's list? I'd love to know more about it, if so! And a huge THANK YOU to everyone for the ideas you've supplied -- what a great list this is! KP --- Susan Farmer wrote: > > Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a > somewhat different problem I hope some of you may > have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon embroidery > memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, > and I'm doing her and her fiance's name, surrounded > by flowers, on black velveteen, to make it look > really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form > (and, I hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this > kind of work!), but the names will be embroidered in > a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would > you recommend as the best way to transfer the font > to the velveteen for me to follow? A lightboard > won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, and > the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I > had thought of transferring the names to a tear-away > stabilizer, and either embroidering over that, OR > doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark > it on the cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, > I guess), as I'm nervous that the stabilizer might > distort the st! > itches if I > > embroider closely directly over it. Any > suggestions would be most welcome! > > I had responded to this on one of the other lists > that she posted > the query on. I've stitched both on black velvet > and satin this way. > I took a pieve of muslin and transfered the design > to that -- then I > basted the muslin to the *wrong* side of the fabric > and then just > embroidered from the back. I'm in the middle of The > Very *un*Period > Celtic Design on a set of italian sleeves in floss > and metallic thread. > The muslin is so lightweight that I have not found > it to be a problem. > > Jerusha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 15:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TKxrvt008771 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TKxIZj027795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TKxDJR092836; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TKxBJI092808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1855 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuzgK-0002qh-NM for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:59:00 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0TLP2CF093222 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:25:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0TLP1NQ093221 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:25:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:25:01 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501292125.j0TLP1NQ093221@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <00b501c50607$7c6ec8a0$765183d1@rmitchellras> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > OK. So how does this embroidery from the back work? Most stitches will look > different from the worked side. Is it a matter of piercing (pricking?) from > underneath by sight and laying the true pattern on the top? That's what I do. You're "stitching from the back" because that's where your design is -- but you stitch it from the front normally. JErusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 16:03:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TL32tF008891 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TL2LZj027992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TL2Ljk094789; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TL0Qgo093614 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A96127EF0068; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:00:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.105 ([209.131.81.105] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 29 Jan 05 21:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c50645$ab51c4e0$695183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501292104.j0TL4Z2c092918@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:01:12 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think that it was I who brought the book Costume in Detail 1730-1930 up for discussion. It was first published ( I believe) in the early 1960s. My new soft cover copy is 1998 edition. What is the official title of the one related to 'reigns'? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book > > In a message dated 1/28/2005 6:37:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: > > > > Bradfield's book is incredible - I used to use it at my local library, then > > saw a copy of the first ed. (with the photos) on a friend's stall at the > > re-enactors market in Oxford, and snapped it up on the spot! > > My email has been flaky of late -- I think I missed the first post on this > subject. Which Bradfield book? I know of one that is a general survey > of English Clothing with gorgeous line drawings of each reign, but this > sounds like a different book. > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 16:39:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TLd2ZW009537 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TLcEZj000451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLc5ab016759; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLbwPB016671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1925 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv0Hu-0006YJ-Ci for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0TM3qCF093585 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:03:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0TM3pMI093584 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:03:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501292203.j0TM3pMI093584@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bradfield book In-Reply-To: <001701c50645$ab51c4e0$695183d1@rmitchellras> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I think that it was I who brought the book Costume in Detail 1730-1930 up > for discussion. It was first published ( I believe) in the early 1960s. > My new soft cover copy is 1998 edition. What is the official title of the > one related to 'reigns'? Historical Costumes of England 1066-1968. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 16:44:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TLiO1g009620 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:44:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TLhiZj000792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:43:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLhfHD020112; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLhREU019978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1934 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv0ND-0001j0-Tm for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:43:20 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0TM9LCF093625 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:09:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j0TM9LjH093624 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:09:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200501292209.j0TM9LjH093624@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <20050129205255.14783.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > No, Jerusha, you're confusing me with someone else -- > I've never posted this inquiry before. What is the > other list you're speaking of? Is it an > embroider/needleworker's list? I'd love to know more > about it, if so! > > And a huge THANK YOU to everyone for the ideas you've > supplied -- what a great list this is! I think it beadsandbroiders at yahoo. If you go to the yahoo groups and look for embroidery or needlework and SCA there will be quite a few things come up. For those who aren't familiar with the SCA -- it's an historical reenactment group concentrating on pre1700 Europe. There are about 17 or 18 kingdoms now in the world, and most of them have their own embroidery/needlework list. I have close to 20 lists in my address book -- and I don't have things like blackwork listed -- mostly because I have too many lists as it is! :-S If you want, email me off list, and I'll give you more information. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 16:52:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TLqgXb009729 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:52:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TLpwZj001282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLpt6L025218; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TLpqob025132 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0TLpgta011255 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129164631.0529bb70@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:50:37 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem In-Reply-To: <200501291901.j0TJ1vJR020230@net.indra.com> References: <200501291901.j0TJ1vJR020230@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:36:05 -050, Kathleen ("Lloyd Mitchell" ) wrote: >OK. So how does this embroidery from the back work? Most stitches will >look different from the worked side. Is it a matter of piercing >(pricking?) from underneath by sight and laying the true pattern on the top? If I understand you properly, yes. Hold the work wrong-side towards you so you can see the markings. Make the stitches below/away from you (on the right side of the fabric), using the markings to tell where to bring the needle up and down through the fabric. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 17:18:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TMIqbl010009 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:18:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TMI6Zj002797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TMI0t9040411; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TMHrI8040328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-179.sonic.net [209.148.113.179]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TMHkj6003578 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:17:51 -0800 Message-ID: <41FC0B92.1090901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:17:54 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian hairdo tutorial? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My book _Reconstruction Era Fashions: 350 Sewing, Needlwork, and Millinery Patterns 1867-1868_ includes a number of step-by step instructions for creating hairstyles. Volume 2 of my book _Fashions of the Gilded Age_ includes a substantial section on 1877-1882 hairstyles, and also hair ornaments and millinery. You are right about the "additional" hair, most styles for both periods require it. Fran Grimble Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com >Katy > >On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > > > > >>Which, as I don't plan to cut a fringe/bangs for this one week, probably >>means that I need to be stuck in the 1870's hairwise. Something I don't >>really know how to do, although I know there will have to be major >>amounts of fake hairpieces involved! >> >>I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for books or maybe online articles >>that deal with the actual doing-up of 1870's and 1880's hairstyles? I've >>found some articles about hair_care_, but I don't seem to be able to >>find anything that can teach me how to put it up correctly. >> > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 17:30:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0TMUjcV010079 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0TMU6Zj003606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TMU11G047363; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0TMTfXQ047144 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ff.c08991f (3956) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:29:29 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] information about historic costume,s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO there is one very good source of information on historic costume,s and more modern stuff to, in the knowledge book magazine,s that were published in the early and middle sixtie,s these were supplanted by the new knowledge book,s int he early 70,s some libraie,s do havr copies of them and they are well worth a good read, showing all aspects of costume throut the ages pippa Phillipas Fashion Inflatables _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 19:48:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U0m9Vq010584 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U0lAZj012634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U0kvek028766; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U0ktdt028694 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F24425D5 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41FC2E52.7080501@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:46:10 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: <075b01c504d4$2faf6990$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> In-Reply-To: <075b01c504d4$2faf6990$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, after two weeks I've lost track of just how many dollar stores, import shops, beauty supply, and thrift stores I've been in looking for one of these things... but I found one today. It's tortiseshell plastic but it would work.... if I had less hair. Sigh. Maybe when I'm grey and starting to go bald the early 80's punk look will be back in style. :) Thanks for all the help, folks, Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 19:55:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U0twcH010619 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:55:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U0tDZj013223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U0tAsw033553; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:55:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U0t6Ik033510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U0maov016089 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:48:36 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:48:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FC3067.2060705@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:55:03 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: <075b01c504d4$2faf6990$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <41FC2E52.7080501@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <41FC2E52.7080501@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/690/Fri Jan 28 05:09:45 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > but I found one today. Yaay! Does it have a technical term/name on it? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 20:56:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U1ulxY011232 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U1p6ax016653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U1Le82048608; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U1LNe1048468 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F72F425D5 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41FC3693.1070001@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:21:23 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: <075b01c504d4$2faf6990$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <41FC2E52.7080501@reddawn.net> <41FC3067.2060705@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <41FC3067.2060705@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Dawn wrote: > >> but I found one today. > > > Yaay! Does it have a technical term/name on it? > There is no product name on the card it was attached to but the shelf tag said 'cylinder ponytail holder' -- a search term which gets me nothing from Google. (And after spending 4 hours with a professional librarian Monday, I am pretty sure nobody online sells them by any name). I'm thinking now I might be able to put some hair in a couple of little rat-tail braids and thin out the bulk that goes up on top. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jan 29 23:31:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U4VH9E013116 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:31:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U4UZZj027667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U4ULGt058556; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U4UIsL058522 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06577; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:41:38 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:41:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] St. Peter's mystery accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I passed this query to Bob Charrette, who has done some study on pencases and other personal accessories though from a slightly later period (mostly 14th c.). He said this: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/nazareth/bagatti/colfigs/bagatti-pl43-4.jpg > right hand object looks very much like a knife sheath, many went almost to the top of the handle. I doubt it's a pencase as I have yet to see on that curves at the bottom and has a top that fits with the out edges like a knife handle in a sheath does. The apparenent stitching along one edge is also consistant with certain knife sheaths, though not so far as I know in in ones from my favorite century. Left hand object is a mystery. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 00:10:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0U5AKZb013599 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:10:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0U59FZj029814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U59BBc080976; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:09:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0U599uh080946 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06938 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:20:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:20:29 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device In-Reply-To: <41FC3693.1070001@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Dawn wrote: > There is no product name on the card it was attached to but the shelf > tag said 'cylinder ponytail holder' -- a search term which gets me > nothing from Google. (And after spending 4 hours with a professional > librarian Monday, I am pretty sure nobody online sells them by any > name). There are some claw-clips out there that might have the same effect, of creating a tube shape, though perhaps a bit shorter. Try this: http://mp.hairboutique.com/product.asp?ProdID=105218&CtgID= Am most amused to see it called "tort colored." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 08:39:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UDd7ri030387 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UDbqZj025371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:37:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UDbcAb050057; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UDbZlR050000 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A31836660086; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:37:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.102 ([209.131.81.102] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 30 Jan 05 13:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c506d0$f9509820$665183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501291901.j0TJ1vJR020230@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20050129164631.0529bb70@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:38:23 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you very much! I have never tried this method; I have just avoided working on piled fabrics unless the design was freehand. So, another new window to open! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > At Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:36:05 -050, Kathleen ("Lloyd Mitchell" > ) wrote: > > >OK. So how does this embroidery from the back work? Most stitches will > >look different from the worked side. Is it a matter of piercing > >(pricking?) from underneath by sight and laying the true pattern on the top? > > If I understand you properly, yes. Hold the work wrong-side towards you so > you can see the markings. Make the stitches below/away from you (on the > right side of the fabric), using the markings to tell where to bring the > needle up and down through the fabric. > > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 09:57:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UEvuEk031177 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UEvEZj029138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UEv4Kl089721; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UEv2x2089688 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m89.in-tch.com [216.166.191.89]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0UEs3I11007 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:54:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41FCF6EE.8030305@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:02:06 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 80's hair device References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe it's a special model for lawyers? --sue, who rather thinks it looks more like a piranha model than a goldfish, with those "teeth".... Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Dawn wrote: > > >>There is no product name on the card it was attached to but the shelf >>tag said 'cylinder ponytail holder' -- a search term which gets me >>nothing from Google. (And after spending 4 hours with a professional >>librarian Monday, I am pretty sure nobody online sells them by any >>name). > > > There are some claw-clips out there that might have the same effect, of > creating a tube shape, though perhaps a bit shorter. Try this: > > http://mp.hairboutique.com/product.asp?ProdID=105218&CtgID= > > Am most amused to see it called "tort colored." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 10:35:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UFZbRQ031699 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UFZ5Zj001551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UFYxrg010544; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UFYuKt010498 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:34:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 7.15.3d56075d (17079) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:34:47 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <15.3d56075d.2f2e5897@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:34:47 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] alice in wonderland dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO can anyone help with a dress patterns of alices dress for a alice in wonderland dress please i am making a inflatable pvc alice in wonderland dress and i dont have a pattern knocking about pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 11:15:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UGFrX9032323 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UGFAZj004370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UGF0sZ032979; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:15:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0UGEgoN032801 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 15078 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.141.58.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.141.58) by shada.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 17:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <41FD0295.3090806@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:51:49 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] alice in wonderland dresses References: <15.3d56075d.2f2e5897@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15.3d56075d.2f2e5897@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO KV59213@aol.com wrote: > can anyone help with a dress patterns of alices dress for a alice in > wonderland dress please > i am making a inflatable pvc alice in wonderland dress and i dont have a > pattern knocking about There is a child's pattern: Butterick 4600 that has a classic Alice dress. You might just browse the pattern catalogs under 'costume' to see if there are others. I think Simplicity may have one or two. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 11:44:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UGigpj032743 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:44:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UGiAZj006762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:44:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UGi0dK050663; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:44:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UGhwcj050515 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d6.1f1fdd57 (3988) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:43:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] alice in wonderland dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO dear judy, thank,s for the information, normally for our big inflatable crinoline dresses we have no problem, but i have never made an adult alice in wonderland dress, the nearest i have to that is a german childs dress pattern of 1845 with a large skirt. making inflatable dresses is ten times easier than an actual ordinary dress, and with the inflatable one you get so many extra benefits as well. take care Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 11:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UGt5sV000403 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UGsUZj007375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:54:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UGsQFC056217; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UGsI1v056107 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:54:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.167] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CvIL3-00081N-I8 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c506ec$50fa32f0$a7159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's mystery accessories Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bcdbd652df80eae6d46506b091c5efb65350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.167 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The object on the right looks like a knife in its sheath. The knife is a utilitarian, single-bladed knife of the type used as a pen-knife or eating knife, something routinely carried by just about everyone in period. The sheath is the right shape for that type of knife as well. The other object is shaped sort of like a fan, but it's more three-dimensional. Maybe a pomander? -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 15:11:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UKBkvJ001537 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:11:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UKB0Zj021718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKAmHJ077442; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0UKAPmS077277 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 20555 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 21:41:07 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.51.247.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.51.247) by shada.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 21:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <41FD39D3.8070604@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:47:31 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: anyone help translate a webpage in Swedish? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm know this is off-topic (ok, the ultimate reasons are for historic costuming), but could someone help me translate something in Swedish? I'm planning a trip in March, and I really need to know what a webpage says. Thank you so much. -Judy Mitchell now returning you to regular historic sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 15:23:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UKNAQT001584 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:23:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UKMWZj022488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:22:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKMRAf084403; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKMOkr084248 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B18A319607 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:22:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FD41ED.4000502@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:22:05 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: anyone help translate a webpage in Swedish? References: <41FD39D3.8070604@oldwaylane.net> In-Reply-To: <41FD39D3.8070604@oldwaylane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://lexikon.nada.kth.se/cgi-bin/swe-eng http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box Will this help? Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I'm know this is off-topic (ok, the ultimate reasons are for > historic costuming), but could someone help me translate something in > Swedish? I'm planning a trip in March, and I really need to know what > a webpage says. > Thank you so much. > > -Judy Mitchell > now returning you to regular historic sewing > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 15:48:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UKmsAJ001728 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UKmHZj024319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKmEiv099868; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0UKmBs7099847 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 21330 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 22:18:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.51.247.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.51.247) by shada.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 22:18:52 -0000 Message-ID: <41FD42AC.60707@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:25:16 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: anyone help translate a webpage in Swedish? References: <41FD39D3.8070604@oldwaylane.net> <41FD41ED.4000502@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <41FD41ED.4000502@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > http://lexikon.nada.kth.se/cgi-bin/swe-eng > http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box > > Will this help? A little bit, yes. Thank you. I'll keep it on file for other websites that I can't puzzle through. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 15:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UKrAvO001757 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UKq3Zj024529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKq35d002274; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UKq0fD002178 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0UKpnXO017734 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:51:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050130151248.06f1e6b0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:44:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's mystery accessories In-Reply-To: <200501301903.j0UJ3Kkv036466@net.indra.com> References: <200501301903.j0UJ3Kkv036466@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Several list members have suggested that the pendant article to the left of (what most folk here consider to be a knife sheath) might be a fan or a pomander, but this is what's striking me about it: it's roughly the shape of the stylized pomegranate that was a motif through several centuries' (and cultures') textile decoration. I keep wanting to say "palm" instead of "pomegranate" (I guess it *is* palm-shaped and would fit in St. Peter's palm), and I seem to recall something about palmiers or palms or something related to pilgrims and Crusaders... There are some indentations like beads or markers between the main "heart" shape and the periphery of the object. If one speculates that they continue around where the object is hidden behind the "knife", there would be 20 such markers, 15 of which are partially or completely visible -- if there is any symbology to that. (If the number were seven or twenty-four or thirty, I might consider it a portable clock or calendar mnemonic device... then again, when DID time start getting divided into two sets of twelve hours?) Other questions: What would a coin purse of the time look like (and would it be worn that way)? Could it be some sort of portable reliquary for some very small *something*? Could it be analogous to a shaman's medicine pouch? Is there some hagiographic marker that distinguishes the apostolic saints (should that be capitalized, btw?) from all other saints? The other thing that the (knife sheath) recalled to me was that somewhere along the way, members of some religious orders took to inflicting physical pain upon themselves, either by self-flagellation in private or by wearing some sort of pain-producing device under their robes (or both). Could either of these items be related to that practice? The idea of these items being normally "hidden" comes to me because the relief is not as dramatic or proportional as it is in the robes themselves. Of course, I'm probably reading WAY too much into that and the real reason is either that they were added in as afterthoughts, or that they were added in some time after the statue was originally completed.... Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 17:20:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0UMKrQo002222 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:20:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0UMJvZj000831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UMJf8q058473; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0UMJdGk058406 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14371 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:30:59 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:30:58 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's mystery accessories In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050130151248.06f1e6b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Brenda Bell wrote: > I keep wanting to say "palm" instead of "pomegranate" (I guess it *is* > palm-shaped and would fit in St. Peter's palm), and I seem to recall > something about palmiers or palms or something related to pilgrims and > Crusaders... Point of information: Pilgrims to the Holy Land were called palmers for the symbol of a palm branch or palm leaves -- so not palms of hands. (Though Shakespeare made a nice pun on that in "Romeo and Juliet.") --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 19:07:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V07oa3002665 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V073Zj007975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V06tXl022955; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V06oMt022770 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0V06YFU019432 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:06:36 +1100 Message-ID: <001c01c50728$6b499d80$3093d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:PVC coated cloth.... Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:22:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Would the rubbery coating on the back of curtains work for your purpose? because I'm sure somebody has made taffeta curtains and probably sells it pre-coated (probably not silk but if you're coating it with plastic then natural fibres probably aren't your first priority). Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:PVC coated cloth.... > Not PVC, but fashionfabricsclub.com once in a while has waterproofed silks > from raincoat manufacturers. > Lauren > > > At 7:37 AM -0700 1/28/05, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >>> Have you ever seen pvc coated taffeta? I'm not sure it even exists. > >> I > >>> work with pvc fabric a lot, but none of it resembles taffeta at all. > >> > >> It'll be out there *somewhere*. If they do pvc coated children's > >> patchwork prints I'm sure they *must* do taffeta. I think the printed > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 19:11:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V0BZng002685 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:11:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V0AvZj008274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V0Av3H025376; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V0749v023041 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0V06YFa019432 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:06:57 +1100 Message-ID: <001f01c50728$79ca1420$3093d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501200855.j0K8tF8M089192@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050120225616.03238ec0@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:57:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning > Stephen, > > My husband's grandmother could do that, too. There are family stories of > how she made her 3 daughter's wedding dresses - since they couldn't afford > to buy one in the store, she would look at dresses in the stores and in > magazines, then make up whichever one they wanted from the picture. I know, I'm replying to another old post but anyway. Like musical ability and the ability to mentally translate 2D patterns into 3D objects this is something that can be achieved with a little bit of skill and lot of practice After a few years of looking at 16th century portraits and trying to convert that look into something I can wear I have a little bit of that ability within the areas I'm familiar with. I couldn't make up a flat pattern from looking at a picture (everything above the bustline just goes wonky when I try to flat pattern draft and I've never tried to draft something with darts) but I can work from a picture and drape a pattern to match the look. Because I have a sort of stock of basic pattern shapes (from extant garments or other people's theories) in my head from about the 15th century to the mid 19th century (with one or two gaps where I haven't been interested enough in the look to actually pay attention or things that are all drapery like Houpellandes) I can usually work out where the seams belong and the picture itself will tell me things like neckline waistline, sleeves etc. It may take a couple of drafts but it tends to work itself out. Just don't ask me to work out how draperies work, I can do fitted bits but things like the c.1880s draperies just look like masses of folds and I don't know how they get there (if I tried draperies it would probably be blind trial and error). Ever since I got my dressmakers dummy about 6 months ago I've been trying out bodice styles on it when I'm bored but I only have 16th century undergarments so I just pin fabric for other eras into roughly the right shape and never actually cut it coz that would be a waste of fabric when the base is the wrong shape, but a Tudor corset is close enough to an 18th century corset to look OK under an 18th century dress and the dummy itself is close enough to look bearable in 19th century. Admittedly I haven't really challenged myself with an unfamiliar style and I usually do double check my resources (I often am looking at books like Patterns of Fashion when I am inspired to try that style out) to make sure I haven't misremembered details (I certainly wouldn't cut my good fabric without checking against the sources). So in short I can translate a picture into a garment but only because I spend a lot of time looking at patterns and I have enough spatial ability to understand how they fit together to make a garment. Please tell me I'm not alone in this? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 19:50:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V0ovUE002924 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V0oFZj010984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V0o8P8048969; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V0o6MO048886 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.64.4dc27379 (2168) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <64.4dc27379.2f2edab1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:49:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ovc coated cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hello yes i think that pvc coated material is fine, yes you are right that backing actually is pvc on curtain material such as taffetta, and that is what i am looking for ,for mu inflatable crinoline dresses,especially my inflatable crinoline wedding dresses, thank you Pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 20:49:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V1ngJD003151 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V1mpZj014683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V1mfAb082952; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0V1mcTS082886 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 01:48:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c50736$f9ba6d20$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20041107180728.5405.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:48:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sorta-medieval silliness... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- Some of you may remember my counterchanged heraldic hockey surcote from a couple of years back. In honour of this lockout season in the National Hockey League, I added some additional accessories for this year's Twelfth Night celebrations.... http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/hockey.html Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 21:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V2HBum003269 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:17:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V2GTZj016771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:16:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V2GOer099684; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0V2GJ6G099597 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABA95FGKAN5PHDS for (sender ); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7wBbkTjlxOvMeVcFbM1pZwigAofNoanMcg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KJMXT4C6; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:14:42 PST Received: from [24.15.22.160] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:13:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.15.22.160] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:13:58 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta-medieval silliness... X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050130.181442.9676.30202@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3520536955 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is very silly. I like it! 8-) Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 21:24:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V2O2uf003296 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:24:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V2NDZj017193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V2N8Lu003948; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav7.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V2N6qa003861 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:23:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:22:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20513082.1106867997942.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <41F97E93.8000607@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] St. Peter's Mystery Accessories Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:24:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2005 02:23:00.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8DDA140:01C5073B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/691/Sat Jan 29 07:58:52 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The heart-shaped thing suggests either mirror or fan. No idea why St. P > would have a mirror, but it's too small for a fan. > > I'd like to hear other people's theories. I don't know about the other things, but to me this heart-shaped thing could be one of those little pewter (or lead, at the time) bottles they used to carry water from special springs. The ones I've seen had that heart shape, and iirc they were sealed shut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 22:08:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V38oUN003497 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V37oZj020757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V36IKL030453; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V35MB3029536 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0V351410246 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <41FDA0B8.4090300@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:06:32 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta-medieval silliness... References: <20041107180728.5405.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c50736$f9ba6d20$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> In-Reply-To: <003901c50736$f9ba6d20$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, that's TOO perfect! But how do you keep your surcote from fighting itself? Michelle (a Wings fan in Michigan) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jan 30 23:54:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V4s7KK004045 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:54:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V4naaL027498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V4UKLw079121; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V4UEj0078999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V5e0vq019343 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:40:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America 1783-1800 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:51:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4.2.2.20050126120544.00d83400@pop.surewest.net> <200501272215.49769.cathy@thyrsus.com> <018c01c5053f$2a6b97e0$755183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <018c01c5053f$2a6b97e0$755183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501302351.57823.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the info On Friday 28 January 2005 8:42 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > She did the American Costume in two volumes, bringing them up to the > Twentieth century. Also a nice doll house book and 11" cloth fashion doll > with costume patterns for about three centuries of fashion..Believe it or > not, I found some of the pattern shapes useful for people constructions. A > bit primitive I admit, but there wasn't a lot out there when I began doing > stage costume in 1965. Another book by Worrell that I still use as a > pictoral reference and style description is her Children's Fashions volume. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dover book sale-Everyday Dress of Rural America > 1783-1800 [you said, among other things:] > > > Of course, the Dover book is > > > presenting basic clothing of the New England area. Another resource is > > > "Tidings from the 18th Century". Back in the Dark Ages of the 1970s, > > > my first book was "American Costume 1650-1799 by Estelle Worrell. it > > > was OK as a thumbnail reference, but way too simple for today's > > > scholarship. > > > > I've never heard of Worrell's book, and I started reading about historic > > costume in the late 1970s-early 1980s. I wonder how I missed that one! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 03:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V8t69w004368 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V8sMZj010285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V8s7Hu026184; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([212.17.54.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V8s5Nw026033 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:53:49 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7E22B3B@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: anyone help translate a webpage in Swedish? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:53:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What webpage is it? E-mail me privately if you want to (work is slow today...). /Lena -----Original Message----- From: Judy Mitchell [mailto:judymitch@oldwaylane.net] Sent: 30 January 2005 19:48 To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: anyone help translate a webpage in Swedish? Hi, I'm know this is off-topic (ok, the ultimate reasons are for historic costuming), but could someone help me translate something in Swedish? I'm planning a trip in March, and I really need to know what a webpage says. Thank you so much. -Judy Mitchell now returning you to regular historic sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 2 Killiney View Tel: 01-2300433 Albert Road Lower Fax: 01-2300865 Glenageary e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com Co. Dublin website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 04:32:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V9WFZp016647 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V9VVZj012787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:31:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V9VP4t045470; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:31:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V9VMRF045122 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:31:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j0V9Uk208141.; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:46 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:46 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:13 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mediaeval isn't my period, but one of the multi=period Reenactors' Markets might be a good place to start. The next one is in early March. http://www.reenactorsmarket.co.uk/home.htm Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 04:57:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0V9vuDT021055 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 04:57:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0V9vAZj013950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0V9v2To058390; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:57:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0V9utDl058291 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:57:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 09:56:49 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131095358.0149c008@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:54:47 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:30 31/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Mediaeval isn't my period, but one of the multi=period Reenactors' >Markets might be a good place to start. The next one is in early March. >http://www.reenactorsmarket.co.uk/home.htm Or try the National Living History Fayre in February. http://www.livinghistoryfayres.com/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 05:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VABguL023894 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:11:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VAB4Zj014669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VAB0ax065367; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VAAmbL065234 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7f.56a921ce (2612) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:10:34 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.56a921ce.2f2f5e1a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:10:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/31/05 9:38:58 AM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? > Sorry - must have missed the original message. (since I therefore don't know which bit of medieval you're looking for info on, or whereabouts you are, I'll give you all I can think of!!) Medieval is one of my periods (well, 2 really - 12th and 15th). Anyway, as one of the suppliers (costume) at the re-enactor's market in Coventry in March, I can confirm that it's the 11, 12 and 13 of March. There's also The Templar's Fayre at Cressing Temple Barns in Essex in May, which only covers Roman to Medieval. Many of the C15th suppliers at Tewkesbury Medieval Fayre in July cover the whole Medieval period. There's another multi period fayre in Coventry, for which I don't have the details. There's also a market (multi again) in pudsey, in Leeds (usually the first Saturday in October, but tbc). There are also various smaller markets at events through the year, but the bigger ones are now tending to drown these out a bit. I'd recommend getting a copy of Call to Arms (they have a website), as it lists most suppliers in the UK for most periods (although it could be considered a bit pricey). It's also worth dropping in at www.livinghistory.co.uk, a forum which has lots of adverts (as well as lots of participants who are medievalists of one type or another. (The fayre I don't have the details of has a banner advert there). Debs. (Conquest & Gloucester's). Mail me off list if any of the above doesn't make sense - sorry had to work all night (again)!. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 05:21:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VALttu026794 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VALPZj015670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VALMHx070793; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0VALEVU070688 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 10:21:07 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131101431.0149c138@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:19:06 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? In-Reply-To: <7f.56a921ce.2f2f5e1a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >Medieval is one of my periods (well, 2 really - 12th and 15th). > >Anyway, as one of the suppliers (costume) at the re-enactor's market in >Coventry in March, I can confirm that it's the 11, 12 and 13 of >March. There's >also The Templar's Fayre at Cressing Temple Barns in Essex in May, which only >covers Roman to Medieval. Many of the C15th suppliers at Tewkesbury Medieval >Fayre in July cover the whole Medieval period. >There's another multi period fayre in Coventry, for which I don't have the >details. There's also a market (multi again) in pudsey, in Leeds (usually >the >first Saturday in October, but tbc). There are also various smaller >markets at >events through the year, but the bigger ones are now tending to drown these >out a bit. > >I'd recommend getting a copy of Call to Arms (they have a website), as it >lists most suppliers in the UK for most periods (although it could be >considered >a bit pricey). > >It's also worth dropping in at www.livinghistory.co.uk, a forum which has >lots of adverts (as well as lots of participants who are medievalists of >one type >or another. (The fayre I don't have the details of has a banner advert >there). Not all costume makers in the U.K. are traders. Many of us don't go to fairs to sell - we're too busy making!! However, a very good directory for all costume related supplies, including shops, fabrics, accessories, makers, events etc is "The Garter", http://www.createthemood.uklinux.net/Garter.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 05:41:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VAfuI2002858 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:41:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VAfPZj016522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:41:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VAfJwx081194; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0VAfCw0081094 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 10:41:07 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131103727.0149c398@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:39:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131101431.0149c138@127.0.0.1> References: <7f.56a921ce.2f2f5e1a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And of course there is Colchester Oyster Fayre, a comparatively small scale market in the Roman town of Colchester, in the castle grounds. If it doesn't rain, as it did last year, that is well worth a visit. http://www.oysterfayre.flyer.co.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 09:33:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VEXvCN007699 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:33:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VEX1Zj029114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEWh5C010368; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEWe4K010277 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E29425D5 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41FE418C.8020405@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:44 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] forward: request for wedding dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I will not be able to fit this into my schedule this spring, so I am forwarding the message on in hopes that one of you might be willing to do the work for this young lady: The pictures she sent me will be temporarily on my web site at: http://www.reddawn.net/temp/d8_1_b.jpeg http://www.reddawn.net/temp/red.jpg Dawn ----------------------------- From: Lpnmsmith@aol.com Hello. My name is Marianne Smith and I am looking for someone to make my wedding dress and the dresses of my wedding party. (another for my maid of honor, my brides maid, and for each of my two daughters - 5 total.) My wedding is for June or July of 2006 and no one makes the type of dress I want in the bridal stores. Attached you will see examples of what I am looking for as I want a medieval wedding. If you can help me would you send an estimate of total costs for the work? My address is 7227 N. Richards St. Portland, Or 97203 503-289-1862. Sizes are as follows. Bride 22 -24 Maid of honor - 12 - 14 brides maid 8 -10 daughters 8 kids. and 14 kids. (they are 7 and 9 yrs. old) Thank you for your time. Marianne Smith ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 09:43:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VEhurA007735 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VEhDZj029686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:43:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEh9hj016980; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEg9Dk016346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0VEg6jg008715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <41FE43BD.2000907@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:42:05 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hollyrome vs. Rome X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's an article on a new HBO series on Rome. Quoted first is the costume specific bit but I included the whole article for those interested in how history is filtered and shaped by film: "The attention to detail on set is impressive. When the script called for thousands of gold coins stamped with Caesar’s head, props master Arthur Wicks (with the aid of “a little man in the Vatican”) made thousands of replica gold coins stamped with the head of Ciaran Hinds, the actor playing Caesar. The show’s superb costumes, made by April Ferry, are not the traditional Hollyrome gauzy white or pastel style based on Alma-Tadema’s paintings, but rougher, heavier, redder, and made only from materials the Romans would have used - wool, silk and cotton." ----------------------- A blow to the temples By David Winner Financial Times Published: January 28 2005 16:22 | Last updated: January 28 2005 16:22 http://news.ft.com/cms/s/95ca7faa-702f-11d9-b572-00000e2511c8,ft_acl=,s01=1.html When the film director Ridley Scott was making Gladiator, he hired Kathleen Coleman, head of classics at Harvard, as the film’s official historical consultant. During the production her advice was ignored and, eventually, “deeply disillusioned by the final product, which makes virtually no attempt to represent an authentic Roman past” (as she put it on a website for classicists), she asked for her name to be taken off the credits. Coleman was appalled by Hollywood methods. One message from the production office said: “Kathy, we need to get a piece of evidence which proves that women gladiators had sharpened razor blades attached to their nipples. Could you have it by lunchtime?” In a recent book about Gladiator, she wrote an essay called “The Pedant Goes to Hollywood”, in which she noted that “scholars are, of course, notorious for being obsessed with detail - but detail is the repository of authenticity.” Gladiator, released in 2000, grossed $457m worldwide and created a spectacular revival in the Roman epic genre - one that had been around since the beginning of cinema. The first filmed version of Ben-Hur was shot at a New York beach in 1907. Like most early Roman epics, it drew its story and look from the neo-classical movement: novels and plays, and paintings by the likes of Lawrence Alma-Tadema. In his book The Phantom Empire, Geoffrey O’Brien explains how, as the film industry developed, Italian and American directors influenced each other to create what became the standard, mythical view of the period: “It was,” he writes, “as close as movies got to a cultural lineage, this process of spirals within spirals by which you got the myth (the real, original Italian epics, Cabiria and Quo Vadis and The Fall of Troy, that took America by storm in 1914) and the myth of the myth (the improved and homogenised American epics, Intolerance and Ben-Hur and The Queen of Sheba, which in turn found their way back to Italian screens) and then, beyond computing, the myths of the myths of the myths, as each photographed the others’ photographs.” Across the genre, down the decades, the look for temples, togas and centurions became standardised. In the late 1950s, cheap “peplums” (a derisive term from the Latin for a ruffle attached to the waist of a tunic) cheerfully recycled the same sets, props and actors in film after film, sometimes even using the same shots. But the epics overreached themselves - and were all but killed off in the early 1960s, by the excesses of Cleopatra and The Fall of the Roman Empire (whose Forum, built outside Madrid, was four times the size of the original in Rome). Gladiator’s success changed all that, and now it feels as if the epics have never been away - though the failure of Troy, and the potentially larger failure of Alexander, may produce another climate change soon. For the moment, though, they and all other recent film representations of antiquity stand in Ridley Scott’s shadow. Yet, as Coleman’s anger reveals, the most interesting aspect of Gladiator may prove to be - when it is itself ancient history - the dispute surrounding its lack of historical authenticity. Scott is a brilliant visual stylist, and his film is a masterpiece, but he played fast and loose with history, trumping previous versions of the tale by wielding myths-of-myths-of-myths with much the same panache as his gladiator hero Maximus used a sword. The key sources were not ancient Roman texts but more modern fantasies. He first had the idea for the film when he saw a picture painted in 1872 by the French artist Jean-Leon Gerome. The picture, “Pollice Verso” (Thumbs Down), shows a gladiator in the arena standing with his foot on the throat of a rival as the crowd urges him to kill. For his story, Scott drew heavily on The Fall of The Roman Empire, Spartacus and Ben-Hur. Most controversially, for the scene in which his tyrannical emperor Commodus enters Rome, Scott used a shot-for-shot pastiche of Leni Riefenstahl’s Nazi epic Triumph of the Will. When critics accused Scott of flirting with fascistic imagery himself, he responded that the Nazis had copied the Romans, “so you’ve got it the wrong way round”. His cyber-generated Rome was also mostly pastiche, assembled from architectural photographs of neo-classical buildings in London, Maltese churches, a Napoleonic-era fort and other sources. When he was told that ancient Romans probably never had pavement cafes, Scott filmed a cafe scene anyway and declared: “This is the first coffee bar in Roman history.” In his commentary to the DVD of the film, he took issue even with the historical experts who had supported his film, the ones who said Gladiator had taken a few liberties but generally looked pretty good. “I’d say, ‘How do you know? You weren’t there.’ What we do is jump back in time into our own imaginations, and that is the most important thing to do. Historians say, ‘I’m not sure that they did that.’ And we say, ‘Well, they bloody well do now.’” Close your eyes and picture ancient Rome. What do you see? Eagles, gladiators and white togas, no doubt. Hillsides covered with classical, ivory-coloured temples too, probably. Straight lines. Huge crowds. Forests of gleaming white marble columns and statues. A place glowing with what Olivier in Spartacus called “the might, the majesty, the terror of Rome”. That’s the classic Hollywood view. Rome the pale, the pristine, the venerable is an image as old as film itself. And because we get our view of Rome primarily from the movies, the myth lies at the core of our sense of antiquity, of our sense of history, perhaps even of ourselves. But what if it’s all completely wrong? At modern Rome’s fabled Cinecitta studios, the BBC and American TV giant HBO have joined forces to shoot an epic $100m television drama series that aims to topple the Hollywood image and set a new vision in its place. Simply called Rome, the painstakingly researched show is shaping up as a vast, operatic, Grand Guignol drama. Its epic story will weave the lives of two ordinary Roman foot soldiers with historical celebrities such as Julius Caesar and Pompey in the last years of the Roman Republic. The show’s relatively unknown British stars - Kevin McKidd, Ciaran Hinds and Polly Walker - are likely to become household names. In keeping with ancient Hollywood traditions, Rome will feature intrigue, spectacle and casual brutality. In a radical break with Hollywood traditions, though, it will also be jammed with cliche-busting surprises. There’ll be much more sex and paganism than we’re used to. We’ll see Julius Caesar as he really looked during his ceremonial triumphs (painted head to toe in Jupiter’s colour, red) and Cleopatra will not be a vamp or demi-goddess, but as Cicero saw her - a dinner-party bore. HBO is putting up most of the money. The first 12 episodes are due to air late this year, and if all goes well a further four seasons are planned. So far, though, the show’s most spectacular feature is its jaw-dropping set, reckoned to be the biggest and most expensive ever built for television. On the backlot at Cinecitta, where Ben-Hur’s chariot race was filmed and where 500 slaves once dragged Liz Taylor into town atop a giant sphinx for Cleopatra, a spectacular new version of the ancient city has been built of steel and fibreglass. There’s a full-scale replica of the Forum, a warren of working-class streets, markets, villas and gardens. It looks tremendous, but also weird, because this Rome is grubby rather than grandiose. Its temples don’t shimmer but are dirty and multicoloured. The set is smoky and covered with Latin graffiti, much of it obscene. On street corners there are candle-strewn shrines and drawings of giant penises. In one street there’s a typical Roman toilet: a latrine with planks with holes where men and women sit side by side and use the same fetid sponge as toilet paper. Grass grows between the flagstones on the Via Sacra. There’s mud everywhere. Welcome to the new, realist, “authentic” Rome: feral, vivid, jumbled, irregular. “Third world Rome”, the show’s executives call it - a bracing, provocative antidote to a century of “Hollyrome”. Production designer Joseph Bennett, who built the set, says: “People think of Rome as white and cold and beautiful, powerful but distant. But based on the research, I don’t think it was like that at all. If you go to Pompeii, you’re struck by how garish it is, even now. The temples and sculptures were all brightly painted. Rome was like Pompeii, but much bigger. And Rome was so noisy it was impossible to sleep. It was like hell. Think of it as a combination of New York and Calcutta, with insane wealth and insane poverty. It was pretty extreme.” ”We’ve taken everything from scratch,” says chief writer and executive producer Bruno Heller. “We are disregarding what people might have seen before, and asking: what was it actually like at this moment in history? We’re trying to deal with the lives of ordinary people, the details of routine, everyday life, of unemployment, of disease. And we are trying to be very precise in the historical moment, very precise about the texture of everyday life. Everything flows from that. The Forum was about as grand as it got, but it was not, by any means, stupendous or stupefying. Once you know that the Tiber flooded regularly and the houses were constantly on fire because they were just made of wood, you know that there were fires and floods constantly. It was always smoky, grimy and dirty.” Every aspect of Rome’s scripts and production are backed up by detailed research, and historical consultant Jonathan Stamp is a key figure behind the scenes. As Jane Tranter, the BBC’s controller of drama commissioning, puts it: “Gladiator was marvellous entertainment, but we at the BBC are not going to give a huge amount of money to recreate a period of history and make something that is not based on any kind of truth. People want to unravel and discover things. And we want to be able to offer them that extra frisson of: ‘You know what? It all happened.’” The production comes at a time that future generations may one day classify as a crucial juncture in western history. For the first time in hundreds of years, the west is losing direct contact with what it once considered its roots: with the “classics”, with Rome. Once a staple of academic life, ancient Greek has all but disappeared from schools, and Latin is heading the same way. Despite a slight revival following the popularity of Gladiator, ever fewer schools and universities teach the subject. And it’s not just happening in Britain. Direct knowledge of the texts and language of the classical past has sharply declined throughout Europe and America since the 1960s. What we are left with is popular culture’s view of Rome. We have ancient Roman computer games (Rome: Total War, Gladiator - Sword of Vengeance), ancient Roman popular historical fiction and crime thrillers (Eagle in the Snow: General Maximus and Rome’s Last Stand; One Virgin Too Many). And, above all, we have the Roman fictions of the screen, a form so potent that Coleman says: “The Rome Hollywood created is now the only Rome that is universally familiar.” If Hollywood’s Rome is wildly wrong, we might even be in trouble. “If you know nothing about Roman history you begin as if memory began this morning,” Stamp says. You can’t function morally if you don’t have a memory. You can’t function at all. The past is our collective memory. Without it we’re screwed.” Imperial Britain, revolutionary France, the early US and the Nazis (among many others) all imagined themselves to represent a “new Rome”. For the neo-classicists of the 18th and 19th century, Rome meant nobility, wisdom, self-sacrifice, civic virtue and moral purity. Rome was the model to which the founding fathers of the US aspired: it was above them and would raise them up. America’s public buildings have columns, pediments and domes because they were modelled on the clean lines and assumed whiteness of Roman temples and the Pantheon. By contrast, Hitler believed that “all that remained to remind men of the great epochs of history was their monumental architecture”. He ordered architect Albert Speer to create monumental Nazi structures that would look as good thousands of years after they were destroyed; as good as Roman ruins did. If he had won the war, Hitler planned to raze Berlin and build in its place a new, crushingly vast capital city consisting mainly of huge Roman-style buildings, some of them hundreds of times bigger than the originals. Modern, imperial, consumerist America created yet another vision. Hollywood’s view of Rome as an empire of sex, sin and infinite consumption found architectural expression at Caesars Palace, Las Vegas. Certainly, it resembles no building ever produced in antiquity, but its vertiginous white marble towers, gold-topped columns and pediments, talking statues and opulent fountains faithfully reflect the spirit of Cleopatra. Jay Sarno, the flamboyant businessman who built the resort with a loan from the Teamsters’ pension fund, wanted to create a world of fantasy “fit for an emperor”, where every guest would feel like a Caesar or a Cleopatra. When the joint opened in 1966, its cocktail waitresses wore skimpy togas, there were chariot rides, pretty “slave girls for the personal needs” of important guests and, in the Circus Maximus theatre, Andy Williams performed a show called Rome Swings. In a sense, each of these architectural fantasies was as plausible as the other. Each took an element of authentic, historical Rome and stretched it to distortion. Diverse interpretations have flourished not only because Rome is the single most important culture in the development of Western civilisation, but also because the myth of Rome is uniquely flexible. Jonathan Stamp argues: “The best, most powerful myths are the ones that can stand for different things at different times. Rome remains our top-dog myth because it stood for completely different things. You can’t say the same thing about the Greeks. They were always eggheads no matter how you cut it.” Stamp suggests that we see Rome as being split between its austere Republican phase and its opulent imperial period. “The republic stands for self-denial, closeness to the land, parsimony, asceticism.” At the other end of the spectrum, the legends of crazed, sensualist emperors spawned the porno Rome vision of a movie like Bob Guccione’s Caligula. And cinema has become the most potent purveyor of myth ever invented. But do audiences care if filmed history is authentic? The legendary Las Vegas art critic Dave Hickey, who sees the themed casino resorts in his city as physical incarnations of Hollywood myths, thinks not. “It’s the illusion of authenticity that people like. They want things to feel authentic, but they really don’t care about the details.” He cites the case of the Luxor, the Ancient Egypt-style resort in Vegas that features exotic-looking Egyptian-style hieroglyphs. The feature attracted interest and the designer went on TV. “Hey, this isn’t just decoration,” he said. “These are real words. This stuff means stuff!” An axiom of the BBC-HBO show is that its stuff means a lot more than stuff. Its stuff is, in fact, part of the essence of the project. The attention to detail on set is impressive. When the script called for thousands of gold coins stamped with Caesar’s head, props master Arthur Wicks (with the aid of “a little man in the Vatican”) made thousands of replica gold coins stamped with the head of Ciaran Hinds, the actor playing Caesar. The show’s superb costumes, made by April Ferry, are not the traditional Hollyrome gauzy white or pastel style based on Alma-Tadema’s paintings, but rougher, heavier, redder, and made only from materials the Romans would have used - wool, silk and cotton. The desire for authentic detail has yielded some startling insights. Unlike Hollywood’s Roman-Christian epics, Rome tries to bring alive the religions of Romans and their cultish obsessions. In episode one the main female character Atia (think Joan Collins in Dynasty, but in an authentically Roman way) visits a temple and, according to Heller’s script, “showers in blood”. Bennett considered the idea preposterous, but researched it and discovered it was indeed based on what we know of ritual. “They used to lead a bull into a special wooden frame, cut it and the animal’s blood would be used as a libation on the body. Your imagination could never come up with anything like that. The moralities were just so completely different.” Even gladiator contests in the show won’t look the way we’re used to. “Part of authenticity is what an audience expects, but one hopes to jolt or at least challenge preconceptions,” says Bennett. In the period in which the show is set there was no Coliseum. Gladiator fights, staged in the Forum, were more like a modern travelling circus, or a bull fight, or an occasion on which criminals were dispatched by professionals in front of small crowds with nowhere better to go on an afternoon. It was bloody enough, to be sure. On one day of shooting, 11 gladiators got their heads, arms or other parts lopped off in front of a baying crowd of Italian extras. But “it was on a more human scale than we thought, and fights weren’t always to the death. You end up with something you haven’t seen before. We can’t compete with the scale of Gladiator, but hopefully this is fresher. You make your own myth.” Heller describes the overall style of Rome as “Ben-Hur meets Kes or Cathy Come Home”. Tranter says it’s much more like “Ben-Hur meets The Sopranos, with a bit of Mean Streets thrown in.” Either way, it will deliver what Jonathan Stamp says is a “severe corrective” to Hollyrome. How the epic scale fits with the BBC tradition of clever, low-budget takes on the period is harder to judge. The 1976 classic I, Claudius was sublimely written and acted, and seeing a tape of it six years ago was what first set HBO executive Anne Thomopoulos thinking about the idea of doing a Roman drama. But audiences today simply would not accept the production values of I, Claudius. As its star, Derek Jacobi, says, “If you looked very carefully from scene to scene you would notice that the walls didn’t change. We just moved the potted plants around to make it look like a different location.” Meanwhile, Carry On Cleo was shot on the lavish set that Cleopatra left at the Pinewood studios when production switched to Rome. Carry On Cleo cost a tiny fraction of the epic, but ended up the more satisfying and coherent movie. Ancient Romans would have preferred it too, says Heller. “It didn’t make a song and dance about this foreign strumpet. Like Up Pompeii, it was very much in the Roman style - very broad, very vulgar, and in your face.” Yet, inevitably, if it succeeds, Rome will itself end up creating its own myths, because all films and TV fiction about the past - and indeed all history writing to some degree - involve imagination and conjecture. The past is capable of infinite reinterpretation. The point, perhaps, is not to produce the definitive vision of Rome, but to engage with it from as informed a vantage point as possible. Artistic visions of Rome have tended to serve the needs of the time in which they are made. The Christian evangelism of Ben-Hur, the fascist propaganda of Mussolini’s Scipio Africanus and the anti-fascism of Spartacus are all equally anachronistic in that they read Roman events backwards from the vantage point of the 20th century, something Romans themselves obviously didn’t do. ”Life on a day-to-day level is very rarely epic,” says Heller. “We know this period was a turning point in western history. But if you were living in it, it wouldn’t have appeared so.” He is determinedly trying to avoid resonances with our own time, or indeed with any other period of history. “It would be false, though of course we allow the audience to make those connections themselves, if they wish. Much better to try as far as possible to deal with the world entirely in Roman terms, in terms of what they thought was going on. They had no sense that the Republic was coming to an end. When Brutus, Cassius and the rest killed Caesar they thought the Republic would just recreate itself. ”As far as possible, we stay in that time frame. It’s a contemporary drama about Romans. I’ve tried to make it a show that ancient Romans would understand and enjoy.” Find this article at: http://news.ft.com/cms/s/95ca7faa-702f-11d9-b572-00000e2511c8,ft_acl=,s01=1.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 09:44:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VEiDWl007738 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:44:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VEhZZj029711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEhYA9017236; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VEgDZt016355 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1d4.34e72fc0 (18707) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.34e72fc0.2f2f9dbb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:42:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding dresses etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO what exactly is it that this young lady requires, could she contact me with details and i will get straight back to her about if we can or cannot do it phillipa j hess _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 10:48:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VFm6DM008976 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:48:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VFl1Zj005164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VFktvP062730; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound3.mail.tds.net (outbound3.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VFioIr061077 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-8.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.8]) by outbound3.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id j0VFiimO014144 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:44:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c507ab$3eb6da20$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200501310935.j0V9Z1oh047375@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume St. Peter's mystery accessories X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry it took so long to reply to this. That odd heart shaped item, it reminded me of bowls I had seen....somewhere....that were used by pilgrims for collecting alms. Like begging bowls. The shape looked right to me and having a string of beads, perhaps a paternoster, attached to it, makes sense as well. Somewhere, I have pictures of brass, and ceramic bowls that were used for this purpose, and that's what jumped to mind when I saw that. I wish I could be more specific, but, I hope this helps a bit. Bob Dorr--Robert of Stonemarche. > Several list members have suggested that the pendant article to the left of > (what most folk here consider to be a knife sheath) might be a fan or a > pomander, but this is what's striking me about it: it's roughly the shape > of the stylized pomegranate that was a motif through several centuries' > (and cultures') textile decoration. I keep wanting to say "palm" instead of > "pomegranate" (I guess it *is* palm-shaped and would fit in St. Peter's > palm), and I seem to recall something about palmiers or palms or something > related to pilgrims and Crusaders... > > There are some indentations like beads or markers between the main "heart" > shape and the periphery of the object. If one speculates that they continue > around where the object is hidden behind the "knife", there would be 20 > such markers, 15 of which are partially or completely visible -- if there > is any symbology to that. (If the number were seven or twenty-four or > thirty, I might consider it a portable clock or calendar mnemonic device... > then again, when DID time start getting divided into two sets of twelve hours?) > > Other questions: What would a coin purse of the time look like (and would > it be worn that way)? Could it be some sort of portable reliquary for some > very small *something*? Could it be analogous to a shaman's medicine pouch? > Is there some hagiographic marker that distinguishes the apostolic saints > (should that be capitalized, btw?) from all other saints? > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 10:51:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VFpIGE009085 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:51:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VFnhar005438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VFefGA057777; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VFeaG3057566 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:40:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:40:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197927D4@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Medieval suppliers in the UK? thread-index: AcUF/Y1fkZp4qdApRdimXIaGpGO5LABrM6iA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >One of the visitors to my website has asked if I know of any > "medieval > >shops where they have medieval-like clothing in the UK." > > No, as far as I know there are no "shops where they have > medieval-like > clothing" unless your visitor means "Goth", which case I > cannot help. If they want Goth stuff they could try Black Rose at Camden Market. Pretty stuff but anyone who can sew pretty mauch says, I could make that for myself a fraction of the cost!). If they want off the peg medieval Kit they'd need to take their chances with whatever traders turn up to whichever re-enactment events take place near them over the Summer Season (May to September..ish) or go to one of the 5 re-enactors markets (2 in March, 2 in novemebr in the Warwick/Coventlry areas and one in May at the medieval barns at Cressing in Essex). If they want made to measure (where they can specify the level of period accuracy) they need to go to Suzi or one of the other people who provide such services, I could recommend a few. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 12:17:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VHH4m1010080 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHFsZj014432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:15:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VHErPa037807; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VHEUs7037501 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 7F7111388C5; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:14:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust57.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.57]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F7B01388B2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:14:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <017801c507b8$6ce65b20$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41FE418C.8020405@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:15:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: request for wedding dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd be happy to do this, as long as the young woman doesn't mind being fitted by mail rather than in person. She's managed to hit on two of my specialties--the fitted square necked gown (late 15thC/early 16thC) and Pre-Raphaelite styles! (I actually just bought some lovely fabric for the purpose of making a for-sale wedding dress of roughly this style... ) -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] forward: request for wedding dresses >I will not be able to fit this into my schedule this spring, so I am >forwarding the message on in hopes that one of you might be willing to do >the work for this young lady: > > The pictures she sent me will be temporarily on my web site at: > > http://www.reddawn.net/temp/d8_1_b.jpeg > http://www.reddawn.net/temp/red.jpg > > Dawn > > > ----------------------------- > From: Lpnmsmith@aol.com > > Hello. My name is Marianne Smith and I am looking for someone to make my > wedding dress and the dresses of my wedding party. (another for my maid of > honor, my brides maid, and for each of my two daughters - 5 total.) My > wedding is for June or July of 2006 and no one makes the type of dress I > want in the bridal stores. Attached you will see examples of what I am > looking for as I want a medieval wedding. > > If you can help me would you send an estimate of total costs for the > work? My address is 7227 N. Richards St. Portland, Or 97203 > 503-289-1862. > > Sizes are as follows. Bride 22 -24 > Maid of honor - 12 - 14 > brides maid 8 -10 > daughters 8 kids. and 14 kids. (they are > 7 and 9 yrs. old) > > Thank you for your time. Marianne Smith > > ----------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 14:14:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VJER5G010779 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:14:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VJDHZj029663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:13:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJD6AB040612; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJD1PQ040444 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71BF425D5 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <41FE834C.8070103@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:13:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: request for wedding dresses References: <41FE418C.8020405@reddawn.net> <017801c507b8$6ce65b20$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <017801c507b8$6ce65b20$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > I'd be happy to do this, as long as the young woman doesn't mind being > fitted by mail rather than in person. She's managed to hit on two of my > specialties--the fitted square necked gown (late 15thC/early 16thC) and > Pre-Raphaelite styles! (I actually just bought some lovely fabric for > the purpose of making a for-sale wedding dress of roughly this style... ) > Please feel free to contact her and tell her you got her name from me. I've already told her that I would be passing the request along to others who could help her. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 14:43:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VJh1wo010970 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:43:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VJg6Zj004528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJg2eN066379; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJfxKS066314 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:42:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.108] (pm7-108.eos.net [205.133.149.108]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VJfmrR007608 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:41:48 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:30 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200501311543.j0VFhg54060153@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Rome X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That article on the HBO series was fabulous. I don't have cable TV but I'll have to see this. However, I thought it was inadvertantly funny too... All that talk about authenticity juxtaposed with descriptions of what are no more than modern conventions, particularly for television "dramas": grime and filth for all outdoor shots of a city (any city) and a morbid fascination with blood. Blood everywhere. I don't even watch evening television anymore, it's all sex crimes and particularly vile murders. This is supposed to be realistic, yet it has nothing to do with life as anyone I know lives it. I think it will be fun to see how the costumes will be different from what we're used to seeing in "Roman" movies, but still somehow expressive of what everyone expects to see in costumes for particular dramatic types. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 14:44:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VJiQ01010976 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VJhnZj004673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJhk8A067613; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VJgouv066880 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AA312D12008A; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:42:41 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 31 Jan 05 19:42:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:43:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0VJiQ01010976 Status: RO Thought that some of you out there would be interested in my find of the week (on the webb). I needed 5 yards of "teddybear" fabric for a vender costume. I saw just the thing at 'denverfabric.com'. When the package arrived, I initially thought that I was receiving someonelse's goods. The fur looks and feels just like a quality sherpa skin. But All Synthetic! I had not seen anything like this in the marketplace. I am totally amazed with the technical advances made in this fiber industry. I will not need to line either parts of the suit or the head for this costume. And it is washable. And at least for my purpose, is just the right brown. And all for, I believe, $6.00 per. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 15:11:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VKBoGV011120 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VKB8Zj007619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKB3Jb089694; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51407.mail.yahoo.com (web51407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0VKAwLN089563 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35543 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2005 20:10:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=B/2lZM1SxxCp5Rwur7B7YYjasDNfSdHDd8X+rGQcDVDtLgnatQQ34BfWcehJq/oNO6ZdlnfMUSw8EkaDsFu3jtQ6DWNKhD2vuirUALFrEojp+fZiAMAhHZOfupYl4+S+zK8f6h3ws4raFReqjHCwNsHg5sgm67504Xu7RaQB6u4= ; Message-ID: <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.167.17.95] by web51407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:10:53 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: ~Angelique To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200501311903.j0VJ2RsT032028@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good Morning , I had a friend inform me the other day that wool gaberdine was not appropriate for clothing made in 1550 England. I thought I had read somewhere that worsted wool was appropriate. Is there a book or other source that might shed some light on the issue? Thank you, Angelique __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 15:23:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VKNAmU011204 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VKMPZj009019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKMBe0098846; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:22:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKLsku098595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0VKFKov012283 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:15:20 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:15:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:21:52 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > The fur looks and feels just like a quality sherpa skin. But All Synthetic! Since I'm sure that no one is skinning Sherpa mountain guides, this must be something else -- what's sherpa? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 15:37:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VKbkP7011306 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:37:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VKawZj010744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKavbW011624; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:36:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKakPi011336 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j0VKaa9K024648 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:36:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050131153134.045c61c0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:36:20 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Q on selling books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Things have gotten really tight here; I need to sell off some of my library to pay for basic needs such as food and rent. The books range from Lando Synge's _Art of Embroidery_ to the little pocket-style book, _Heaven in Art_, plus a couple of (probably OT) items such as _Wales: A History_... Any hints on where I'm best off listing a few items at the time for the least cost, and bringing in the largest return? Thanks in advance. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 15:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VKr8Sw011368 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VKowav012284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:52:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKZuZs010697; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VKZqqP010628 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25174 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:47:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:47:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, ~Angelique wrote: > I had a friend inform me the other day that wool gaberdine was > not appropriate for clothing made in 1550 England. I thought I had > read somewhere that worsted wool was appropriate. Is there a book or > other source that might shed some light on the issue? Is her problem with the fiber or the weave? Worsted wool goes back quite a bit further than 1550, but I'm not sure where I'd go to find a single source/quote/book that describes the distinctions historically. Perhaps her problem is with the use in gabardine? Gabardine is a twill weave, though I think it differs from a period twill, in ways that my weaver friends understand better than I do, but were subtle enough for me to figure it was pretty darn close. You can get worsted wool in other fabrics besides gabardine as well. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 16:15:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VLFP34011455 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:15:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VLEQZj015008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLEC7f042818; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLDwa0042651 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j0VLDuRI026981 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:13:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050131152226.021c3f90@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:13:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200501311903.j0VJ2RsT032028@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Angelique really? hmmmm... I would really like to know where she came across that piece of information - If you can get her to cite a source I'd love to know, honest. And a little more information of 'why?' wool gabardine wouldn't work would also be nice. I love it when someone comes up with something that I don't know.... It makes me go into instant question mode. ; > Working from what I do know of gabardine.... first the definition... Gabardine is a tough, tightly woven fabric. The fibre used to make the fabric is traditionally worsted (a woolen yarn). The fabric is smooth on one side and has a diagonally ribbed surface on the other. To be a little more specific the weave is usually a 2:2 twill it can be other twills, but this is the most common for a gabardine. We do have extant examples of 2:2 weaves and many other types of weaves in wool, from 1550 England. And tons more information from textile mill records and shiping tarrif records - both imports and exports. I wonder if it is the weight of a modern gabardine that she might be citing as inauthentic? Why? too heavy or too light? too fine or too coarse? We can compare modern gabardine epi to 16th century 2:2 twill epi... No I don't have that right in my pocket. Then, thank you OED, there is the question of was the term gaberdine used to describe a cloth in the medieval early pre-modern era... looks like it wasn't. Earliest references to gaberdine -and it's etymological equivalents- is pretty early 1520 or so... but all of these referr to an exterior wear garment... which would make sense to be made out of a tough wearing 2:2 worsted twill... But - the use of the term for a fabric type looks like it didn't appear until the early 1900s... [From the OED: 1908 Times (weekly ed.) 14 Aug. p. iii/2 Gabardine is a material which has many qualities not to be overlooked when it is a question of sporting dresses. ] So would a medieval person have used the word "gaberdine" to describe a type of cloth... Not likely doesn't look like it... a troll through the tarrif records may back that up. But did they have then the fabric structure that we now call a gaberdine... Yes in other words a 2:2 twill cloth of worsted wool is well established in the archeological and written record of the 1550s. Was that fabric structure the same... in weave - yes, a 2:2 (or 2:1 or any multiple permutation) twill... in fiber - yes worsted wool... in weight? Anyone done this work yet? or in epi? again not something I have on my person. But in general - without knowing specifically what your friend is objecting to- I'd say a 100% worsted wool 2:2 twill gaberdine is a good available approximation of a pre-modern era fabric. >Good Morning , > > I had a friend inform me the other day that wool gaberdine was not > appropriate for clothing made in 1550 England. I thought I had read > somewhere that worsted wool was appropriate. Is there a book or other > source that might shed some light on the issue? > > Thank you, Angelique _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 16:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VLZxI5011544 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:35:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VLZ1Zj017510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLYRq5060268; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLXhuE059411 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.df.c1ee60e (4116) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:33:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 71 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Obviously, the supply at re-enactments tends now to be limited, as I said, because those costumers who do trade tend to only attend the big fayres now, because that's where people have money to spend. (There will always be a small band of costumers who attend all the fayres they can, because they have large stocks. For those like myself and Suzi (and those listed below), it's simply not necessary, because we all have as much work as we need. Personally I do the markets mainly because I'm a re-enactor myself, and it gives me a chance to see some friends.) For the high-end, spec your own levels of finish, authenticity, materials, etc, there are many costumers (as far as costumers go, the market is pretty much saturated). (Apart from me :-) ) , I'd recommend as being among the best Angela Essenhigh (Seams Historic), Jill Knights (Frederick and Knights) and Ninja Mikhaila (sorry if I've spelt her name wrong - usually do). That said, it all depends how much you're willing / able to spend. There are suppliers at all market levels, from basic and cheap off the peg, to those who can make a court level outfit wth custom embroidery, hand woven and naturally dyed fabric. The spec also largely depends on which group you're with (if for re-enactment, as all have their own rules). Debs. PS thanks for the link, Suzi - that was the other fayre I meant. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 16:45:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VLjTI6011587 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:45:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VLihZj019526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLi6WG068502; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VLhxHB068391 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id F37C414330B; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:44:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust33.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.33]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E95B14326A for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:43:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <01c901c507de$0e78f770$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:44:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j0VLjTI6011587 Status: RO Gabardine, as we use the term today, isn't used as it was just a few decades ago, when it implied twill fabric treated to resist rain. So, it is possible your friend is thinking of the older usage of the term. As I understand it, today it's mainly used to denote a specific weight of material, with a specific angle to the twill, usually a 45° or 63° right-hand twill. Wool gabardine is very similar to a lot of extant fabrics; the angle of the twill might be a tad bit off, but for something that's not handwoven, it's pretty darn close. Kersey, under various spellings, is a historical type of fabric used before and during the 16th century, and the descriptions sounds very similar to me. A few other types of fabric described as being a wool twill are fleuret, raxa de Florencia, and rash/arras. This covers France, Italy, Germany, and England, all around the time you're interested in, and these could be both finely woven (much finer than what's sold as wool gabardine today) or quite coarse, and could be made of 'long wool' (worsted) or of short, fulled wool. Some books: M. Channing Lithicum, Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and His Contemporaries Doreen Yarwood, The Encyclopedia of World Costume Isabel Wingate, Fairchild's Dictionary of Textiles Karen Stolleis, Die Gewänder aus der Lauinger Fürstengruft Online Oxford English Dictionary Janet Arnold, Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd Ingrid Löschek, Reclams Mode und Kostümlexikon Rosita Levi Pizetsky, Storia del Costume in Italia August Fink, Schwarzenem Trachtenbuch. Juan de Alcega/Jean Pain & Cecilia Baynton translators, Tailor's Pattern Book 1589 Jutta Zander-Seidel, Textiler Hausrat, Kleidung und Haustextilien in Nürnberg von 1500 - 1650 By the way, the term 'worsted' dates back at least as far as 13thC Middle English; it comes from the name of the town in Norfolk (Worstead/worthstede) where this type of cloth was originally made. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 17:04:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VM4xle011695 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VM4BZj022194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VM1FKM083766; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VM0VwH083004 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cvjau-000IHF-6t for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:00:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:59:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Re:Rome and film authenticity. References: <200501311543.j0VFhg54060153@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was a bit bemused by the idea that it would be unexpected to have lots of sex in something about Rome. I thought orgies all the way was the standard version? Or maybe I just read too much Juvenal at a tender age. It sounds to me like they're going for the "medieval" look to replace the "white classical" look - everyone and everything will be mud coloured. I have to say, it's not just history that gets trashed on camera. There was a very familiar sounding piece in a recent edition of a Scottish dance magazine, from a group who had agreed to provide dancers for a film and were then required to do moves never before known in Scottish dancing, because the director thought they looked good. Jean Gail & Scott Finke wrote > >That article on the HBO series was fabulous. I don't have cable TV but I'll >have to see this. However, I thought it was inadvertantly funny too... All >that talk about authenticity juxtaposed with descriptions of what are no >more than modern conventions, particularly for television "dramas": grime >and filth for all outdoor shots of a city (any city) and a morbid >fascination with blood. Blood everywhere. I don't even watch evening >television anymore, it's all sex crimes and particularly vile murders. This >is supposed to be realistic, yet it has nothing to do with life as anyone I >know lives it. I think it will be fun to see how the costumes will be >different from what we're used to seeing in "Roman" movies, but still >somehow expressive of what everyone expects to see in costumes for >particular dramatic types. > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 17:15:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VMFWfg011727 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:15:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VMETZj023569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VMEKnv094840; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VMDIcB093821 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:13:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050131221312.NDNA18422.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c507e2$959fac40$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 71 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:16:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just find the small fayres cost me too much to attend with gas, setup, tent, fees, food, propane etc.. I will only attend the one big fayres locally where people come to buy as I am finding it just too much work for me. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 71 Obviously, the supply at re-enactments tends now to be limited, as I said, because those costumers who do trade tend to only attend the big fayres now, because that's where people have money to spend. (There will always be a small band of costumers who attend all the fayres they can, because they have large stocks. For those like myself and Suzi (and those listed below), it's simply not necessary, because we all have as much work as we need. Personally I do the markets mainly because I'm a re-enactor myself, and it gives me a chance to see some friends.) For the high-end, spec your own levels of finish, authenticity, materials, etc, there are many costumers (as far as costumers go, the market is pretty much saturated). (Apart from me :-) ) , I'd recommend as being among the best Angela Essenhigh (Seams Historic), Jill Knights (Frederick and Knights) and Ninja Mikhaila (sorry if I've spelt her name wrong - usually do). That said, it all depends how much you're willing / able to spend. There are suppliers at all market levels, from basic and cheap off the peg, to those who can make a court level outfit wth custom embroidery, hand woven and naturally dyed fabric. The spec also largely depends on which group you're with (if for re-enactment, as all have their own rules). Debs. PS thanks for the link, Suzi - that was the other fayre I meant. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 17:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VMVitn011810 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VMUpZj025696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:30:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VMUiBk009217; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VMUeX2009141 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by fallback02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0VLtwD27673 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.167.47] (helo=wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CvjW4-0003mb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:28 -0500 Message-ID: <14935973.1107208528422.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As one who is looking for exactly the right shade of lightweight gabardine for an Elizabethan gown at the moment I may have a _little_ more information, though it's somewhat indirect. The costume director in my Renaissance guild doesn't like gabardine for two reasons, and they have nothing to do with its weave. The most important reason, she says, is that it tends to have a very smooth, almost slick finish on it, which just doesn't look very much like other period wool fabrics. The other reason is that it tends to be too lightweight to hang well -- at least, to hang like the stuff in 16th-century portraits. (Considering that she's been researching costume since about 1969, and that I know how good her scholarship is, I'd tend to believe her.) Now none of this is a reason to consider gabardine "not period", though it was quite likely called something else in the 16th century. Rather, her judgement is that it's not a good choice if you're aiming for an obvious "period look." I could certainly see someone else objecting to it on similar grounds. I need a lightweight fabric for my next Elizabethan gown, since I have a medical condition that limits my physical energy (especially in hot weather) and my old gown simply weighs too many pounds for me to carry around all day. So I've suggested to her that I simply wash gabardine before sewing with it -- I have a medieval dress in washed gabardine, and it does look much less like a modern fabric after washing. Like any good costume director, she won't approve it until she can actually see it but she says this sounds quite likely to work. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 18:57:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0VNv5F1012133 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VNtkZj008571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNthFg075629; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.175]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0VNsWVN074865 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4407 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2005 23:54:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050131235427.4405.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:54:27 GMT Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:54:27 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gabardine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi the reason your friend may have said Gabardine was not period for 1550 is this:- Thomas Burberry (1835 – 1926) born at Brookham Green, near Dorking, England was an apprentice to a draper. He started his own business in 1856 in Basingstoke, Hampshire and expanded into clothing. While he was researching waterproof material, a doctor stated that the ideal fabric would be impervious to rain and wind, but allow the body to breathe. Inspired by the closely woven linen smocks of local shepherds he designed a cotton fabric, which was waterproofed both in the yarn and then in the final fabric. He called the material "Gabardine", but the raincoats were soon known as Burberry. During the Boer War officers begin to wear Burberry raincoats, which persuaded the War Office to give official approval and the coat model Trench 21, specifically designed for World War I trench warfare was produced in 1914. I heard on a quiz tonight that Burberry had 'invented' gabardine weave (the long staples and diagonal help to wick the moisture away before it penetrates) - ignoring the existence of a 2/2 twill weave (sorry, brain shutting down) for a few hundred years prior to the 20C. HTH Katherine ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 19:02:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1102CfX012150 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:02:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1101dZj009191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:01:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1101clM079823; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1101ZW1079798 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-26726); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:01:30 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:01:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050131160021.00d95d10@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:01:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gabardine In-Reply-To: <20050131235427.4405.qmail@web25703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:54 PM 1/31/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi >[snip] >I heard on a quiz tonight that Burberry had 'invented' >gabardine weave (the long staples and diagonal help to >wick the moisture away before it penetrates) - >ignoring the existence of a 2/2 twill weave (sorry, >brain shutting down) for a few hundred years prior to >the 20C. > >HTH >Katherine Actually, 2/2 twill is the most common twill for the past few thousand years (at least). From your friendly fiber fan, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 19:02:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1102Jpt012153 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:02:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VNxiZj009051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNxdVg078328; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNxZoB078258 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so781928wra for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:59:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Mm0/EyBk1mb7c/UzwqgbzecjzOGQlzRrY/G0bYvtx1t9bL6ePphGM9eS7BMvDIIULFm+RIi5lTOt4yPuZ8GUrd+2JkTYyU/k8R+u/l+UHx3HtAuHkNCMndpa/EdjFXzoNuIAvl/1tTP4mgHGpvSlxhcmUN0e5K9wXBOkVVuhUKw= Received: by 10.54.5.73 with SMTP id 73mr38836wre; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.74 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:59:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05013115597f18c64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:59:30 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <14935973.1107208528422.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <14935973.1107208528422.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris, how about tropical weight wools? i have a piece for my next court dress and it's very lightweight. And it seems to hang beautifully. I made an Elizabethan tall hat from gabardine. The teacher, another historical fanatic, tried to talk me out of using it, not because it wasn't period but because it fades easily. My argument was that that I didn't expect the hat to last more than four seasons at best anyway, and I didn't think the fading would be too obvious within that timeframe. i made the hat and I love it. LynnD On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:55:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00), Chris Laning wrote: > As one who is looking for exactly the right shade of lightweight gabardine for an Elizabethan gown at the moment I may have a _little_ more information, though it's somewhat indirect. > > The costume director in my Renaissance guild doesn't like gabardine for two reasons, and they have nothing to do with its weave. The most important reason, she says, is that it tends to have a very smooth, almost slick finish on it, which just doesn't look very much like other period wool fabrics. The other reason is that it tends to be too lightweight to hang well -- at least, to hang like the stuff in 16th-century portraits. (Considering that she's been researching costume since about 1969, and that I know how good her scholarship is, I'd tend to believe her.) > > Now none of this is a reason to consider gabardine "not period", though it was quite likely called something else in the 16th century. Rather, her judgement is that it's not a good choice if you're aiming for an obvious "period look." I could certainly see someone else objecting to it on similar grounds. > > I need a lightweight fabric for my next Elizabethan gown, since I have a medical condition that limits my physical energy (especially in hot weather) and my old gown simply weighs too many pounds for me to carry around all day. So I've suggested to her that I simply wash gabardine before sewing with it -- I have a medieval dress in washed gabardine, and it does look much less like a modern fabric after washing. Like any good costume director, she won't approve it until she can actually see it but she says this sounds quite likely to work. > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 19:23:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j110N1fx012212 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:23:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j110L1bL011219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNqw39073664; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNqaA5073264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82EDD876B for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 08241-03 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8415D8314 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:40:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011901c507ef$e359ab90$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <14935973.1107208528422.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:52:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? > I need a lightweight fabric for my next Elizabethan gown, since I have a > medical condition that limits my physical energy (especially in hot > weather) and my old gown simply weighs too many pounds for me to carry > around all day. So I've suggested to her that I simply wash gabardine > before sewing with it -- I have a medieval dress in washed gabardine, and > it does look much less like a modern fabric after washing. Like any good > costume director, she won't approve it until she can actually see it > but she says this sounds quite likely to work. I've made several Elizabethans in wool gabardine, washed before cutting, and they came out quite nice. It was comfortable to wear and hung beautifully. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 19:49:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j110nfje012279 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VNTmZj004211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:29:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0VNT5at055853; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j0VNSdwR055503 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 23:28:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131231945.0149d5b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:24:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050131152226.021c3f90@postoffice8.mail.cornell .edu> References: <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> <200501311903.j0VJ2RsT032028@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:13 31/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Angelique > >really? hmmmm... I would really like to know where she came across that >piece of information - If you can get her to cite a source I'd love to >know, honest. And a little more information of 'why?' wool gabardine >wouldn't work would also be nice. I love it when someone comes up with >something that I don't know.... It makes me go into instant question >mode. ; > > > > >Working from what I do know of gabardine.... first the definition... >Gabardine is a tough, tightly woven >fabric. >The fibre used to make the fabric is traditionally >worsted (a >woolen yarn). The fabric is smooth on >one side and has a diagonally ribbed surface on the other. To be a little >more specific the weave is usually a 2:2 twill it can be other twills, >but this is the most common for a gabardine. > > >We do have extant examples of 2:2 weaves and many other types of weaves >in wool, from 1550 England. And tons more information from textile mill >records and shiping tarrif records - both imports and exports. > >I wonder if it is the weight of a modern gabardine that she might be >citing as inauthentic? Why? too heavy or too light? too fine or too >coarse? We can compare modern gabardine epi to 16th century 2:2 twill >epi... No I don't have that right in my pocket. > >Then, thank you OED, there is the question of was the term gaberdine >used to describe a cloth in the medieval early pre-modern era... looks >like it wasn't. >Earliest references to gaberdine -and it's etymological equivalents- is >pretty early 1520 or so... but all of these referr to an exterior wear >garment... which would make sense to be made out of a tough wearing 2:2 >worsted twill... > >But - the use of the term for a fabric type looks like it didn't appear >until the early 1900s... [From the OED: 1908 Times (weekly ed.) 14 Aug. >p. iii/2 Gabardine is a material which has many qualities not to be >overlooked when it is a question of sporting dresses. ] > >So would a medieval person have used the word "gaberdine" to describe >a type of cloth... Not likely >doesn't look like it... a troll through the tarrif records may back that up. > >But did they have then the fabric structure that we now call a >gaberdine... Yes >in other words a 2:2 twill cloth of worsted wool is well established in >the archeological and written record of the 1550s. Shakespeare makes Shylock say "...and spit upon my Jewish gabardine" in "Merchant of Venice. Was it a garment at that time? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 22:49:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j113ninp013416 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:49:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j113msZj010411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j113md9k032780; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j113mb5J032757 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) Received: from [69.3.235.144] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cvp1o-0007Cf-SF for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:48:37 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HOWQQYTEL2cbITO/IoXtSgmPa3SjhS6nyL+S5wDfwG5okAXZUaNhLiH7SR6UpLjP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41FE43BD.2000907@uvm.edu> References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> <41FE43BD.2000907@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:48:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hollyrome vs. Rome Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478269792ea6acb064f0d5d3f9cd08d45b826757c4bb2d08336350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.235.144 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j113mb5J032757 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:42 AM -0500 1/31/05, Hope Greenberg wrote: >Here's an article on a new HBO series on Rome. >Quoted first is the costume specific bit but I >included the whole article for those interested >in how history is filtered and shaped by film: > >"The attention to detail on set is impressive. >When the script called for thousands of gold >coins stamped with Caesar¹s head, props master >Arthur Wicks (with the aid of ³a little man in >the Vatican²) made thousands of replica gold >coins stamped with the head of Ciaran Hinds, the >actor playing Caesar. The show¹s superb >costumes, made by April Ferry, are not the >traditional Hollyrome gauzy white or pastel >style based on Alma-Tadema¹s paintings, but >rougher, heavier, redder, and made only from >materials the Romans would have used - wool, >silk and cotton." Ok, I gotta ask: cotton? And no linen? Heather -- **** Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net **** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jan 31 22:53:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j113rWad013620 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j113qmZj010940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:52:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j113qkql035209; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j113q9UT034782 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:52:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:51:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <14935973.1107208528422.JavaMail.root@wamui09.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <8296995c05013115597f18c64@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 03:52:00.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[6274DFA0:01C50811] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > how about tropical weight wools? I'd make myself tunics of tropical weight wool -- if I could find a place selling it! Fashion Fabrics Club won't ship outside the U.S., and the only other place I know if is Denver Fabrics... does anybody know of any good sources online? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume