From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 01:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11623lD014611 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 01:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1161DZj021496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1160e1r009151; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1160UYC009026 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29542 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:11:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:11:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03DA25FA@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wrote, regarding the Tacuinum Sanitatus: > > It's worth noting that there are five surviving 14th c. copies (that I > > know of) of this book, and the text varies slightly, having been > > translated from Arabic into Italian at that time. Then, for the modern > > publications, it has been translated into English. So the descriptions > > differ, sometimes in crucial details. The original might have been > "linen > > layer" or just "linen under the wool" or any of a variety of things -- > > without checking the originals, I wouldn't know. I have several > > translations of several of the passages from a different source, but > don't > > remember offhand whether I have more than one translation of Wool. I > will > > look it up if people care, but not today. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > If it doesn't take too long, I would definitely be interested! Thank > you! Also, is there a published reference to the increase in period > references to lined garments in the 14th century -- I'd love to be > able to site something when I write up my documentation for the > outfit... :-) Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the increase in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," but I don't want to try locating the book, much less the reference, at this moment. It's a good read, and I don't feel guilty advising you to get it for yourself (ILL if it's not in your own library). Now, to the other matters. _The Medieval Health Handbook_, by Luisa Cogliati Arano (Braziller, 1976) is a lovely illustrated book summarizing the contents of five surviving illuminated copies of the Tacuinum Sanitatus. I use it mostly for the artwork (Northern Italian crossed with French in style) and a general guide to content. Some cautions on the translations: The texts of the medieval manuscripts were originally translated from an Arabic source into Latin (not Italian as I had above, sorry) perhaps in the 11th century. The entries (covering the health effects of various foods, herbs, activities etc.) were presented in tabular form in that Latin version. The illuminated manuscripts came much later; four were from about 1380-1400, one more post-1400; they contain an abbreviated version of the earlier Latin text, to accompany illustrations. More recently, two of the medieval books were translated to modern Italian for Arano's original publication, which included parts of other modern translations of the other three books. This was then all re-translated to English for the Braziller edition I have here. So I would not put a lot of effort into trying to tweeze out details of clothing terminology from a close reading; we can't be certain how much was subtly changed along the way. >From the Tacuinum of the Casanatense Library, Rome: Woolen clothing (vestis lanea): Nature: Warm and dry. Optimum: The thin kind from Flanders. Usefulness: It protects the body from cold and holds warmth. Dangers: It causes skin irritation. Neutralization of the Dangers: With thin linen clothing. >From the Tacuinum of Liege: Woolen clothing (vestis de lana): Nature: Warm and dry in the second degree. Optimum: That which is made from the very good wool from Flanders. Usefulness: It conducts heat. Dangers: It overheats. Neutralization of the Dangers: With linen clothing. The book doesn't give translations from the Paris or Vienna copies, and the Rouen copy doesn't include the woolen clothing entry. There are also entries for silk and linen. Another nice picture book, _The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti_ trans. by Judith Spencer, is a translation and facsimile of the Vienna manuscript. The translation, as with the book mentioned above, was made into another modern language (I'm not sure which) before Spencer translated it into English. It bills itself as a "free but faithful treatment" of the original work in which "the integrity of the text of the Vienna manuscript is preserved." That might be the case, or that might be double-speak for "we fixed it up but it's pretty much the general idea." Fact is, the Arano book does include some quotes from the Vienna manuscript, which are in itemized-list format like the ones quoted above, but the same passages are in rather beefed-up paragraph form in the Spencer book. So I wouldn't be quite sure which of the following paragraph were the translater's additions for purposes of creating more readable prose. Here, we have: Woolen clothes (vestis lanea): Clothes are suited to praeparatio aeri, or the adaptation of the climate to life, which is one of the seven things essential to good health. Clothes made of wool, whose nature is warm and dry, are beneficial in the winter to old people, life in northern regions, cold constitutions, all things that, of the four elements, correspond to water. These clothes, especially those in fine Flemish wool which are to be preferred, draw the inner heat from the body and keep it warm. The advantage of wool can also be a disadvantage: as too much warmth is harmful, wear a thin linen garment under the wool. I wouldn't read any of this as either supporting or denying the use of lining. I would, however, take it as fairly strong support for the use of a linen chemise or undergarment. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:16:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BGSuj015981 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:16:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BFJZj013126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BF9hC074837; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BF77R074735 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4B334400020; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:14:59 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Feb 05 11:14:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:15:56 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is sheepskin used for jackets, vests, hats, and heck, warm clothing. The garments are often made with the fur inside and the sueded leather outmost. Very trendy just now. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > The fur looks and feels just like a quality sherpa skin. But All > Synthetic! > > Since I'm sure that no one is skinning Sherpa mountain guides, this must > be something else -- what's sherpa? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in > love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: > http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BXLJJ016058 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BWjZj014102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BWgMG084638; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11BWcXe084604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11BQ4ov022586 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:26:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:26:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:32:36 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org> <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > It is sheepskin used for jackets, vests, hats, and heck, warm clothing. The > garments are often made with the fur inside and the sueded leather outmost. > Very trendy just now. Oh! Faux "shearling." I understand, thanks! (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real shearling is vs. the various approximations.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 06:55:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11BtmGn016157 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11BtCZj015175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Bt9ee096664; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Bt6kH096545 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 04:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70AC100095 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-74.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-74.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.74]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 Message-ID: <1107258894.41ff6e0edde9c@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:54:54 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hollyrome vs. Rome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Them thar documentary makers won't fool me. Rome isn't really Rome without wristwatches, red sports cars and aircraft contrails, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:03:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11E3W0r016922 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:03:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11E2nZj003159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11E2dvd079772; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11D5Y3Q041615 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DF70262852 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:05:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:05:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:06:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11E64R4016937 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:06:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11E5RZj003372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11E5RNW081379; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Dd82t063023 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j11Dd6mi029576 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050201083743.021d1828@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:39:06 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation of worsted wools in 1550? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050131231945.0149d5b0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050131152226.021c3f90@postoffice8.mail.cornell .edu> <20050131201053.35541.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> <200501311903.j0VJ2RsT032028@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Suzi... as far as I can tell, and I'm going by the OED, yes at this time it was a garment. Bridgette / Mari >Shakespeare makes Shylock say "...and spit upon my Jewish gabardine" in >"Merchant of Venice. Was it a garment at that time? > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EBdKo016976 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:11:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11EB5Zj003804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EB0Gl084924; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:11:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EAvgg084805 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j11E7qI29028 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:07:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <41FF8F1E.7040608@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:15:58 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Robin, thanks heaps! I love this sort of thing! ;-D --sue, who wants to be a scholar instead of a dilletante when she eventually grows up, too..... Robin Netherton wrote: > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the increase > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards of Living > in the Later Middle Ages," but I don't want to try locating the book, much > less the reference, at this moment. It's a good read, and I don't feel > guilty advising you to get it for yourself (ILL if it's not in your own > library). > > Now, to the other matters. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EqTx5017130 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:52:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Ep5Zj009402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Eoumr011020; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11EnKvc009875 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41247 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 14:49:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PxtLCzemL0KBhIf3W6z5I4XvVm9X5Q2N9aLef3Kvu3GngL0Oag+rXNlkXALA6zdY2/3pYK93NZFTAvrjdkA17/XofnaLd6i/imYXTHtmXN/FXTdjyT094L0U3bh0r41TGvfG52vrTMkxO9iilo8IVySvKbWnCGyNx+YbAM6sVsc= ; Message-ID: <20050201144914.41245.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:49:14 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:49:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh Bjarne, like everything else you do, it's BEAUTIFUL!!! You are such an inspiration to me. I can't wait to get home to work on my projects after seeing what you're creating. Thanks so much for sharing, Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 09:55:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11EtH4o017146 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:55:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11EsjZj010580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EscNV013667; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Ercue012663 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C71BEF12 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:53:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FF97E5.8010806@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:53:25 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks great!! I love the colour combination! And the embroidery for the purse is so sweete. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse > for her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from > it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11F5aEr017189 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F3WZj012619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F3Slk020265; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11F3PVk020162 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA99GTMAXTLZ6J for (sender ); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:03:07 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgk6t6rSiFWeHsOJgXpnTOmU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KJRV6J9Q; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:02:26 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:46:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20050201.070200.272.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:267809679 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to be OT, but since you folks know the book--what time period does Dyer consider to be the "Later Middle Ages'? Thanks, Arlys > > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the > increase > > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards > of Living > > in the Later Middle Ages," _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:05:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11F5xFk017193 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F5HZl013055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11EShBf095898; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11ESbiU095760 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 775AB13873D; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust154.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.154]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 47FC4138777 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:28:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:29:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" > (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real shearling > is vs. the various approximations.) Around $500 to $3000 or more? =} -E House (has several good sources for real shearling, and is starting to wish she hadn't sworn off sewing thick leather.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:10:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FA5xD017212 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11F95Zj013597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F91O8024257; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:09:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11F8xAt024168 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9B6BED6C for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:08:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:08:55 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? Or some white lace Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:13:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FD0hW017234 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FCNZj014372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FCM3E026863; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FCGLb026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j11F5Wov024955 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:05:32 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:05:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FF9C44.7050503@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:12:04 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org> <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: >> (I don't know how many times I've explained to friends what real >> shearling is vs. the various approximations.) > > Around $500 to $3000 or more? For a coat, I suppose? Usually I tell them about it for bedroom slippers, which aren't nearly so pricey. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:14:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FE2tT017239 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FDJZj014622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FDI1v027636; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FDF47027515 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from generys@blazemail.com) Received: from pmta02.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B9340053 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Sig: AQBKBEVB/5yGpv5O4wIAAAAB,f9d16cd633eed90715cbbde2120433f6 Received: from marketing3 (69.38.51.209 [69.38.51.209]) by pmta02.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY) with ESMTP id 4602D627 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:13:10 -0800 From: "Jennifer / Guenievre" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050201.070200.272.0.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUIb4Gu6JOUnlb1ScS3lfo+e8e40gAAO8qw Message-Id: <20050201151310.47B9340053@omta16.mta.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The full title is Stnadards of Living in the Later Middle Ages: Social Change in England c. 1200-1520. Guenievre > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:46 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Dyer's 'Later Middle Ages' > > Sorry to be OT, but since you folks know the book--what time period does > Dyer consider to be the "Later Middle Ages'? > > Thanks, > Arlys > > > > Last thing first: I'm 99% certain I read some discussion of the > > increase > > > in references to lined garments in Christopher Dyer's "Standards > > of Living > > > in the Later Middle Ages," > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:15:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FFoDC017254 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FFAZj015009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FF7n0029112; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:Y79OX2i2jHonNyHM16Jxjfg5MsmXo7KQ@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FF5dU029084 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j11FF4gc004955 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 Received: from dci012034013106.discovery.com ([12.34.13.106]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress >> for my niece for the mask ball. >> I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad >> stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. Dierdre write, > Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. > What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? > Or some white lace I like the color combination! It sounds like Bjarne is talking about using the same style lines as an earlier gown he made - I think it was pink or salmon with white pabels on either side of the gown and a white panel at the bottom of the petticoat. I recognized it from a fashion plate. Is there a reason not to do that, Dierdre - too much mixing of decades? I see it as a fantasy/interpretation with the bright pink fabric, so if it looks good... ? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:20:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FK8xw017286 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:20:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FJQZj015886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FJM7U032103; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FJJAw031977 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050201151910.EXPB20719.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c50871$e8ddbde0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050131153134.045c61c0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:22:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest retun. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] Q on selling books Things have gotten really tight here; I need to sell off some of my library to pay for basic needs such as food and rent. The books range from Lando Synge's _Art of Embroidery_ to the little pocket-style book, _Heaven in Art_, plus a couple of (probably OT) items such as _Wales: A History_... Any hints on where I'm best off listing a few items at the time for the least cost, and bringing in the largest return? Thanks in advance. Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 10:47:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11FlO9q017471 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11FjUZj022422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:45:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FiaB8055600; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Fhf9i054797 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0309.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.54]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEF9BEFBF for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:43:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41FFA3A9.5040605@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:43:37 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <41FF9B87.1030900@kabelfoon.nl> <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <57391.12.34.13.106.1107270904.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >>Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> >>>Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress >>>for my niece for the mask ball. >>>I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad >>>stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. >>> >>> > >Dierdre write, > > >>Mmmm.. I wouldn't do that. >>What about a pink flounce and little purple ribbon flowers? >>Or some white lace >> >> > > I like the color combination! It sounds like Bjarne is talking about >using the same style lines as an earlier gown he made - I think it >was pink or salmon with white pabels on either side of the gown and a >white panel at the bottom of the petticoat. I recognized it from a >fashion plate. > > Is there a reason not to do that, Dierdre - too much mixing of >decades? I see it as a fantasy/interpretation with the bright pink >fabric, so if it looks good... ? > > I think it wil make the dress look dark. With the pictures I saw with dresses that have such panels the dress fabrick is darker than that of the panels. But it is just my taste and not historically based. I love the way it is now but there is indeed stil something missing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 11:02:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11G2SZc017575 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:02:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11G0mZj027149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FxiLe068279; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:00:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11FxB2J067811 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.113 ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050201155905014003c9mce>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:59:05 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.113; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:59:04 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:59:04 +0000 Message-Id: <020120051559.10081.41FFA748000726A10000276122007456720809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/694/Sun Jan 30 14:15:10 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, it is simply *stunning*! I had a full 10 seconds of after image! One of these days I'll be as good as you are.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for > my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe > of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for > her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, > and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:14:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HEaQb018062 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HDwZj011060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HDmFE038440; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HD4fL037681 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 9E2DE204F6; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust50.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.50]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B0F92203DB for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:13:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <025a01c50881$6256db70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c507cd$29afbbc0$715183d1@rmitchellras> <41FE9360.2030904@thibault.org><004d01c5084f$677e5ba0$765183d1@rmitchellras> <41FF68D4.7020408@thibault.org><024901c5086a$6679efb0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <41FF9C44.7050503@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yet one more of faux fur Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" > For a coat, I suppose? Usually I tell them about it for bedroom slippers, > which aren't nearly so pricey. Yep, for a coat. And the amount the shearling fur itself would cost is more like 1/5 to 1/10 that... mmmm, profit. But oh so difficult to sew. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:20:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HKkGV018100 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HJrZj012075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HJniT043727; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HJljT043622 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12a.55f928b8 (25098) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.55f928b8.2f311426@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:19:34 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] horsehair supplys X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:28:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HSWuQ018173 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HRgZj013092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HRUsV050516; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HRKWR050256 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E462262833 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:27:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:27:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow in purple on the front bodice. Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it is so small. I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being in the opera. In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and some ostrich feathers............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HbbiI018221 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HakZj014219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HaYdV058275; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HaKVc057568 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:36:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j11HZV224157.; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:35:31 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:35:31 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:35:07 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Rome and film authenticity. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 31/01/2005 21:59:09 >>> >I was a bit bemused by the idea that it would be unexpected to have >lots of sex in something about Rome. I thought orgies all the way was >the standard version? Me, too - and what about paganism? Surely every schoolchild knows that the Romans worshipped Jupiter et al. and threw Christians to the lions? Anyone who's read Lindsey Davis's whodunits has a pretty good image of the underside of Roman life. They're meant as entertainment, not authentic history, but the background detail is very convincing. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17c reenactor _____________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HjKRp018249 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HicZj015218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hib05065196; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11HiY5T065142 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 31126 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 17:44:42 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:44:42 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1087.24.4.69.40.1107279873.squirrel@24.4.69.40> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for > my niece for the mask ball. Bjarne, Have you ever thought about making a pattern to sell to others? I am having a 1700's corset made right now and then I plan on making a dress like the ones you make (you are SO inspiring!). I was thining how great it would be to have a copy of your pattern to use. And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high court dress. So, if I paid for it, would you sell me a pattern? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:45:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11HjNFf018248 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HhiZj015068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hhe1f064320; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11HhdrE064214 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68844 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2005 17:43:33 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sB+SAzw8cU4ZJN5wPHpSz1X7+reDjiDr64fFnemUzNVQAS1NiV1xb8SM+tOBx3Xxb0tjpOADRJA9MC4ITM5mVijrxKtszDP15MgTrF2EZA3ElTHLYcku0Nn9HtrVkSHemvQ/nTWhJnbXZtl4PLG0Tem6YvUTykhNxWab3bgBRm8= ; Message-ID: <20050201174333.68842.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:43:33 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd opt for the smaller whilst in the opera and perhaps a change after? Chris Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow in purple on the front bodice. Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it is so small. I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being in the opera. In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and some ostrich feathers............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 12:53:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Hrpc8018330 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11HrGZj016095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Hr47E072197; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:53:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11HqFFK071573 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.109] (pm7-109.eos.net [205.133.149.109]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j11HqCev028023 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:52:12 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:46:55 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200502011728.j11HSi19051583@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bjarne's new work X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne!!! That is so beautiful! Those are the most enchanting sleeves I've ever seen!!!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:20:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11IKZBF018629 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:20:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IJTZj019665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IJLD5095334; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IJIaW095293 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03288 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:30:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:30:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books In-Reply-To: <005701c50871$e8ddbde0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Edith Reardon wrote: > I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The > cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest > retun. Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, though. To the original poster: For selling costume-related books (or art books that might be considered usable for costume research) we have a few swap-and-sell lists for costumers, and I wouldn't object to a pointer posted here saying you've put something up. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:28:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11ISTPM018697 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IRmZj020693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IRi5H002827; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j11IRemf002749 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 30361 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 19:58:09 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.159.113.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.159.113) by shada.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 19:58:09 -0000 Message-ID: <41FFC4A0.5020704@oldwaylane.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:04:16 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11IWAbp018745 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:32:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IVEZj021303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IVDiH005790; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IVBeS005721 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D8021F41 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71D135 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B03F077C0@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] RE: lining & bag lining Thread-Index: AcUIZ56O97339NJGSk6An2wu55CkbAAJEKag From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 18:31:06.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[3174D0B0:01C5088C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j11IVBeS005721 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Robin! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 13:42:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Iggs0018819 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:42:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11IfgZj024496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IfbVf014965; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11IfX9X014853 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:41:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 349485EE04D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:41:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:41:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] selling pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, Have you ever thought about making a pattern to sell to others? I am having a 1700's corset made right now and then I plan on making a dress like the ones you make (you are SO inspiring!). I was thining how great it would be to have a copy of your pattern to use. And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high court dress. So, if I paid for it, would you sell me a pattern? Diana. Dear Diana. I have never thoaght about this, strangely though, because i think there is a big demand for patterns for reenactors. It would be an obsion for me to make a small book with drawings of different costume types from 18th century and make accessories like bumrolls, corsets and panniers. But i would have to consult a drafter of patterns to make the different sizes right, i used to learn this, but it is so many years ago, and i never did this after, so i have forgotten to do it. This could be quite fun to make, strange i never thoaght about this. I usually make my own patterns by draping my dresstand. I have an eye to the cut from books, but i always use my own cuts. This anglaise dress i have made very authentic in cut, and the sewing tecknique two. Both underskirt and overskirt is pleated before it was attached to waistband/ bodice and stitched on by hand. The sleaves as you see, is very far behind in the back, wich they also used back in time, and it forses the wearer to pull the shoulders back. Stays helps with this. Diana wich size do you use? I would prefer the old european such as size 36- 38 etc. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 14:07:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11J7jAJ018980 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11J6nZj029926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J6dKU036009; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J64eR035446 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe7.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.231]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B9C1E5EE03F for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:06:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003e01c50891$1f5f0c10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41F84B4B.9030502@in-tch.com><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979273A@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><4.2.2.20050121064529.00d76540@pop.surewest.net><002101c4ffe1$4a86f6e0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <5.0.0.25.2.20050127040938.0118d9d0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th c. pockets - embroidery question Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:06:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Danielle, I was a little surprised that nobody had answered your question. Most of my sources i have from pictures in books, and most of them dont get any specific in any blends of threads used. I think it is not that inportant if you must have a specific pocket embroidered with same blend of threads as you have. So long as it is wool or silk or both, it is quite fine. Costume Close Up from Williamsburg has a pair of pockets with pattern draft also of the embroidery, and the big Williamsburg book What Clothes Reveal has many differents photos of some. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. pockets - embroidery question > Greetings, > > While on the search for a good petticoat lining, I figured I would start > smaller, with a pair of embroidered pockets. I've looked through all of > my books and on-line and was wondering if anyone has a reference to any > embroidered in a silk/wool blended floss? I've seen either silk or wool > on their own but not together...I've got some gorgeous silk/wool floss in > natural dye colours kicking around my sewing room that seem perfect and > was hoping to be able to use it. Anyone? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 14:11:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11JB3tu019004 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:11:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11J9sZj001120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9qqb038649; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9ZH2038359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-27.sonic.net [209.148.114.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11J9V37032298 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:09:32 -0800 Message-ID: <41FFD3EA.6010606@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:09:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I should do a clearing out too, particularly of videotapes. One option: Get togther a list of the books (with pricing), put it on a web page, and tell all interested friends and email lists it's there. Which people seem to be already starting to do on h-costume. Another option: Ebay. For a book of any value, protect yourself with a reserve, as the price can depend entirely on one or two bidders. Another: Half.com, if it's in their database, and if I recall their database includes some pictures. Another: Amazon Marketplace, assuming the book is recent enough to be in their database. It does not have to be in print, they list OP books, but not really old ones. Again, their database includes some pictures. Advanced Book Exchange (ABE). They let anyone sign up, not just bookstores. I am not sure they even allow pictures, I never seem to see any for the books I buy from them. Alibris: Ditto. They have different terms & conditions from ABE, though. Obviously, you need to go over all their terms & conditions, weigh sale fees and listing fees and other fees against each other and see what deal is best for your situation. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Robin Netherton wrote: >On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Edith Reardon wrote: > > > >>I'm afraid for the quickest return ebay is still one of the best. The >>cost of listing is small, it reaches the most people with the largest >>retun. >> >> > >Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I >looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't >require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not >just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, >though. > >To the original poster: For selling costume-related books (or art books >that might be considered usable for costume research) we have a few >swap-and-sell lists for costumers, and I wouldn't object to a pointer >posted here saying you've put something up. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 15:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Kq5a1019638 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Kp3Zj014308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Kokq3022417; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11KnvZd021702 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cw4yA-0007fo-7e for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:48:27 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would go for both hats. It would be wonderful to have a really crazy big hat, but to still have something smart to wear when she takes it off. And a little tricorn would be very cute, and a good choice for not blocking other people's view. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote >Hi, >Thanks for your inputs. The stripe i want to add to the underskirt is >inspired from some fashion prints. Stella Blums Galleries des Modes. >Some show anglaise dresses with panles of different colour on the >overskirts and a stripe on the underskirt. I also think i will ad a bow >purple on the front bodice. >Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the >small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in >the way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera >because it is so small. >I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when >being in the opera. >In both cases i have plenty of fabric for pink hat with purple ribbons >and bows, and i could also go and find some artificiall flowers and >some ostrich feathers............. > >Bjarne > > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 18:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Nl3uP020824 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11NkDZj003999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nk4IV072918; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nk1D1072751 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.11.3e02c597 (4568) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3e02c597.2f316eb0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:45:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: visual patterning To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 1/30/2005 7:11:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@austarmetro.com.au writes: > So in short I can translate a picture > into a garment but only because I spend a lot of time looking at patterns > and I have enough spatial ability to understand how they fit together to > make a garment. > Please tell me I'm not alone in this? > You aren't alone. This "I can't make a flat piece of cloth into a cylinder around the body..." statement betrays a knowledge of what exactly is going on. Everyone here knows how to make a flat rectangle into a cylinder....you just bring two opposing sides together. Voila! Getting it to fit merely requires adding or subtracting fabric where needed [since no one....well hardly anyone...is a cylinder] There are only a few ways to do this. Slitting the cylinder and adding to it where needed and pinching it and taking it away where needed. Or dividing up the cylinder into sections and adding a bulge where needed and scooping in where needed. And combining the two methods. That's about it. The rest depends on the physics of the fabric being used. Yes, it can get very complicated but this is basically all that goes on in flat patterning. If you can grasp the basic concept and keep it in mind, you can understand what you see when you look at any group of pattern pieces for a bodice, tunic, sleeve, pants....all bulging and nipped cylinders. Some folks have an innate grasp of this, but it can be taught. It's not like having perfect pitch or something. Now the physics of fabric is another thing! Still basically all you need know is in woven fabric [as opposed to felted or knitted fabrics] is the straight of grain, warp or weft, will fall straight, and the bias will stretch and bulge out. This is either pronounced or diminished depending on how sturdy and tight or supple and loose the weave is. Again these are very general concepts and extensive experience with them will give you the instincts to predict what will happen. Of course everyone....even experts, run across the occasional exception. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 18:51:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j11Npmsq020865 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:51:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11Np6Zj004637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11NouMf077489; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nn4tE075773 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A559291700D4; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:48:41 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.21]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:48:40 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:48:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c508b8$85be8ef0$15542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 23:48:41.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EB68C60:01C508B8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! What is the circumference on that skirt? I must know how much fabric it takes to get a beautiful sweep like that. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:06 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Hi. Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress for my niece for the mask ball. I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse for her. And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 19:00:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1200F8V020918 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j11NxdZj005328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11NxXj4084017; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j11Nx80x083680 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:59:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1ee.346caaca (4568) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.346caaca.2f3171c2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:58:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:52:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, emeraldepona@yahoo.com writes: > finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > I love the intense color! Be sure to put some purple near the neckline to get the eye looking up there. Maybe even a yellow choker and a yellow rose in the hat! I mean....go for the color, Baby!!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 20:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j121O4Ys021887 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:24:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j121MpZj012982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121MdmM037641; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:FP1U/aKxST/6+mn7EBYi2PJBGKQ8n2t1@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121MaCO037557 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j121MPKs010809; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 Received: from 64.156.242.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51263.64.156.242.51.1107307351.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c5088d$ad1c4850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] selling pattern From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana said, > And I don't think that there are many patterns for this type of dress > available. I have seen more patterns for working clothes, not high > court dress. In much of the 18thC, though, the basic cut of the gown did not change between working class and ballgown quality. The difference was in the type of fabric and the trimmings. So a gown pattern you can get now could be made for characters of several different economic classes. High court dress would have panniers and probably a train. There isn't as much need for this type of dress among reenactors. Those who want it either develop the skill or find someone to custom-make it. There are pattern drafts in several books (Janet Arnold, Nora Waugh, Blanche Payne and others) that can be blown up and fit to the individual person. Also for high court wear, the gown would fit the person. Very few people fit a comercial pattern exactly and adjustments would need to be made. An imperfect fit may work for a lower-class gown (could be a hand-me-down), but I don't think it would work for court wear. While Bjarne could make patterns, there actually are quite a few out there already. You could probably find one already to suit what you want to make. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 20:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j121fHQ4021988 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j121e8Zj014465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121e5Zk048036; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j121e1Wr047910 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m82.in-tch.com [216.166.191.82]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j121awI06868 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:36:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4200309F.1000407@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:45:03 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress References: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000801c5085e$c4f696d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Holy Toledo, Bjarne! That stuff is *REALLY* pink! 'Bout made my eyes bleed! The tailoring and construction look wonderful, as usual with you. Your niece is very lucky! I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping that you'll eventually post pictures of her wearing the gown. ;-) --Sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse > for her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from > it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 21:43:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j122hJUc022625 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:43:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j122gHZj018895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j122g7TA083663; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j122g4eC083609 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA27895; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:42:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: "E House" , "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:42:00 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.84 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for the info that you could offer me. My main problem has my costume books are very few. Although, I do have "QEWU". And would like to have "Fashion in Detail" or anyother excellent book on costuming. Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? Do you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 22:55:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j123t99v022946 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j123sKZj023295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j123s85M024542; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav14.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j123s5Sf024473 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 03:54:00.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41A3FF0:01C508DA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? Do > you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? Yes. You could have just tried, instead of having to wait for an answer to come back.... would have been faster... Unless you were asking to buy a repro? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 23:14:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j124EjuB023069 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j124DqZj024679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124DnCS035999; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124DkRb035932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:13:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j125NlIf023888 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:23:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:35:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c50883$51007690$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502012335.44948.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 February 2005 12:27 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: [snip] > Now for the hat i am a little in dilemma. I had fallen in love with the > small triangel hat in Revolution in Fashion on page 39. It wont be in the > way for those who are going to sit behind my niece in the opera because it > is so small. > I could however also make her a large hat, wich she could remove when being > in the opera. I like the idea of a small hat myself, but either would work well with the dress, I think. Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 1 23:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j124sr5r023192 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j124s5Zj027161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124s07v058128; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j124rvMS058109 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.87] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwCWa-0002yO-Jp for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:53:57 -0500 Message-ID: <028a01c508e3$2c560340$57159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42003df8.4aa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b8c4f505234a87f3e71e9a4343822e67e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.87 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Roscelin wrote: > Where would a good source be for the painting "Journey of a Patriarch"? > Do > you think I would be able to find it through a Google search? If you're looking for the one by Giovanni Benedetto Castiglione, it's here, about halfway down the page: http://www.clemusart.com/provenance/prov_search.asp?artist=C If it's by another artist, you should specify who- more information is always a help. Also, I prefer altavista for image searches. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 01:05:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1265g1e023376 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:05:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1264cZj002252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1264T2F098678; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1264O3K098596 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050202060409.TQBE24143.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c508ed$85e25080$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41FFC4A0.5020704@oldwaylane.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:07:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wish I could buy books on half.com but they don't sell or let me list from Canada? Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 01:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j126BuPc023388 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j126BDZj002742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j126BAZi002282; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j126B7cn002266 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9710D3718A for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p353.socket.net [64.85.215.99]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA58BD4BC for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] horsehair supplys Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:11:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <12a.55f928b8.2f311426@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/695/Tue Feb 1 04:34:47 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The only horse hair that I know of is horse tail hair and usually Crazy Crow carries it. http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=55 5-100-000 De -----Original Message----- hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 03:53:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j128rKk9018246 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j128qZZj013196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j128qPwH096270; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j128hdEV091040 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:43:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 86AF147FEDB for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:43:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002001c50903$42490240$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c508b8$85be8ef0$15542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:43:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress > Wow! What is the circumference on that skirt? I must know how much > fabric it takes to get a beautiful sweep like that. Hi. I have 3 widths of the fabric wich is 90 cm wide for the underskirt, and the same for the overskirt. 2,70 meter in all + the width of the purple taffeta. There is a bumroll under the skirt. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 08:13:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12DDxSH025189 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12DD9Zj005215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:13:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12DCNxp033876; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12DCI5b033800 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FC6B47FE6B for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:12:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c50928$db1363b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:12:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, only testing, i dont think my message got trough........ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 09:29:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12ETXrl025658 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:29:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12EScZj015121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12ESSSe075232; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12ESOQY075178 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:28:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D17245EE074 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:28:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c50933$7f793880$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:28:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am sorry if you get this 2 times, the first post i sended didnt get trough. My dress is made in a size 38, my niece is a very slim girl and therefore you would have to adjust the pattern rather much to get into size 48 as you said. But i have uploaded 2 pictures of the cut of bodice and sleaves. Perhaps you could use it as a guideline........ http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Also your body shape like an hourglass figure would be pretty difficult to adjust.......... I didnt make any patterns for the skirts, although they are somewhat curved, i never make paper patterns for skirts, but uses the calico i have cut as pattern......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 10:36:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12FaASV026056 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:36:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12FXjZj020249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12FWruE017696; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound2.mail.tds.net (outbound2.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12FUhnh016184 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-8.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.8]) by outbound2.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id j12FUZUY029421 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:30:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:26:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: rics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Mens' Headware X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I have figured out the smock, and the embroidery for it. I've vanquished the doublet, sleeves and paned slops. I've even got a start on a properly "over the top" jerkin, to go over the doublet. But here's where I get confused. Hats. I've seen references to lovely, embroidered coifs (were they worn only by women, or were they worn by men as well? Were they worn only at night?) in Gostow's Blackwork book. And then there's the fabulous floppy hats, in some of the portraits. What I'm looking for is a website, book, or pattern, that would have patterns for the headwear, and how it was worn. I don't know why this particular aspect of Elizabethan clothing has me so baffled, but it does. Any help at all is deeply appreciated, and I figured if anyone knew of these resources, it would be here. Thank you so much, Bob Dorr--Robert of Stonemarche (SCA) --who is starting on his second pair of gloves, with properly embroidered cuffs. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12G9nnW026334 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12G8RZj024306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12G8J2M046871; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12G8C1u046634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12G80f8013361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j12G8037013360; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:08:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MacBeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, do not yell at me, it was not my idea and the original costume designer is gone and I have to clean up the rest in less than two weeks before we open. He decided to make kilts for the male characters of MacBeth. Completely ignored that there were women in the cast that needed costumes too. Had no clue what historical was. I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is no budget left to fix that. The costume closet has nothing to help. But the upshot of this all is that there is a fabric closet. It is filled with donations from the community. Every discarded curtain set is in there and some other very nice things. This is community theater. There are three of us that are sewing what is left on the punch list to do. I am the only one that will be there every night until we open. My question is this. Given the amount of time I have what advise do you all experts have to help make this more presentable historically? If I did not give enough information please ask! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:29:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12GTLRG026401 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12GSeZj026606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GSBhb063398; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j12GS2Rc063201 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2005 16:27:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050202161905.0149dc88@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:25:58 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> References: <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you have any designs that are even vaguely historical? (I once did wardrobe on a famous Macb*th for Peter Hall and Paul Scofield which was PVC and long shag pile carpet - I kid you not!!) How about plain kirtles with sideless surcoats, any combination of fabrics will do. Or plain half circle skirts and T shaped tunics in any fabric, fancy or plain, with plain coloured sashes across them. Lady M's sleep walking scene, she could wear just the kirtle. If you have any chance of getting Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" there are some simple styles in there would be ideal, if you can grade up patterns or drape. If it is any help, I worked with the Royal Shakespeare Company for some years - mail me off list for more detailed instructions if you want. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 11:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12GkWPJ026492 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12GjTZj028372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GjIac078140; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12GiAeQ077080 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:42:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Mens' Headware Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:44:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 16:43:00.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[41D0C990:01C50946] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > What I'm looking for is a website, book, or pattern, that would have > patterns for the headwear, and how it was worn. I don't know why this > particular aspect of Elizabethan clothing has me so baffled, but it does. Margo's Patterns (www.margospatterns.com) sells a package for accessories, including many styles of hats. There's also Lynn McMasters (www.lynnmcmasters.com) has many wonderful hat patterns. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:09:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12I9lBN027026 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12I8pZj007255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12I8aXn051501; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12I8WDr051354 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9.3cd3894d (2168) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:08:12 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/696/Tue Feb 1 16:15:37 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO T-shaped tunics. They can be beautiful [I like a deep-ish pleat on the edge of the shoulder....makes a beautiful square-shaped "bodice" section] and work for men and women. They can be long or short, layered, split at the front, sides and or back. Full and dragging on the floor in rich fabrics, skimpy in distressed worn fabric. Forget the kilts. But you can use the tartans...maybe with overdying to give them a vegetable dyed look. In fact, dying and washing fabrics can make fabrics usable that you thought were not usable. Leather looks good too, but where to get it? Upholsterers often have usable scraps and if the color and texture of the right side of the leather is just not usable...the wrong side is usually just fine. Collars, belts, trims, hoods out of leather scraps can really look good. Ever see Polanski's version of MacBeth? The costumes are very simple and for the most part convincing. Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:34:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12IYAug027154 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12IXMZj010268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IXIJh074231; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [206.224.87.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IXFDM074076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12IX40D088541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j12IX44F088540; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <17876.165.236.184.195.1107369184.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> References: <9.3cd3894d.2f32710c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/683/Tue Jan 25 04:57:31 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have not seen it in a while but I seem to remember that there was a lot of studding of the tunics. I get the idea and I think I can make it work with tunics and draping the kilts on a shoulder .... hmmmm ... just might work. But the ladies dresses, I will have to work on that. AlbertCat@aol.com said: > T-shaped tunics. > > They can be beautiful [I like a deep-ish pleat on the edge of the > shoulder....makes a beautiful square-shaped "bodice" section] and > work for men and women. > They can be long or short, layered, split at the front, sides and or > back. > Full and dragging on the floor in rich fabrics, skimpy in distressed > worn > fabric. > Forget the kilts. But you can use the tartans...maybe with > overdying to give > them a vegetable dyed look. In fact, dying and washing fabrics can > make > fabrics usable that you thought were not usable. > > Leather looks good too, but where to get it? Upholsterers often have > usable > scraps and if the color and texture of the right side of the leather > is just > not usable...the wrong side is usually just fine. Collars, belts, > trims, hoods > out of leather scraps can really look good. > > Ever see Polanski's version of MacBeth? The costumes are very simple > and for > the most part convincing. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Franchesca Havas _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 13:55:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12ItXMc027248 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12IsjZj012550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IsfI5093533; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12IiwL9084885 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d9.1f446962 (3988) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: ics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk Body=3 Fuz1=97 Fuz2=many X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/2005 1:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: > But the ladies dresses, I will have to work on that. > > A t-shape tunic will work for them too. They need to be long and full...which takes lots of fabric. Ah there's the rub [Ooops, wrong tragedy] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:20:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JKbH3027440 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:20:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JJIZj017511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:19:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JJ9dW015633; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12J1gSn099792 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:01:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:01:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:01:18 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey Robin since I am a beginner and usually just lurk here, I see references to books I don't have all the time. For me and others like me it woul.d be nice that you listed books here with the prices you want you might sell quite a few of them without haveing to deal with otheres. thanks theresa >>> edieann@telus.net 2/2/2005 12:07:49 AM >>> I wish I could buy books on half.com but they don't sell or let me list from Canada? Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone here used half.com for selling books? My impression from when I > looked over the information there is that it would be less work -- doesn't > require photos, just ISBN -- and that the listings last till a sale, not > just a week. But I never pursued it. I intend to do a major clearing out, > though. I've never sold anything there, but I certainly buy a lot through half.com! It's one of my first places I check. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:25:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JPlSX027484 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JP5Zj018997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JP0wY020501; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JJvU3016199 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be6f.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.111]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BCDE247FF07 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:19:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:19:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green stumpwork leaves................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:46:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JkdbE027589 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JjkZj024133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JjcBp037817; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12JjW3k037694 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CwQR7-000FVw-8k for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:45:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:43:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooo! sounds glorious. The "head" bit of a hat is called the crown. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote >Hi, >Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material >and buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire >round the brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat >with a small "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, >sorry. >Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for >another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The >whole hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple >ribbon round the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big >stumpwork roses and green stumpwork leaves................... > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 14:50:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12JorrX027634 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12JoCZj024652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Jo8Bp041439; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Jo0Eo041291 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CwQVg-000GO4-8j for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:48:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did he get the kilts made? Is the director dead set on a medieval look? An alternative, if you have modern(ish) kilts and satins and taffeta, might be 1920s-30s? Jean Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote >Ok, do not yell at me, it was not my idea and the original costume >designer is gone and I have to clean up the rest in less than two >weeks before we open. > >He decided to make kilts for the male characters of MacBeth. >Completely ignored that there were women in the cast that needed >costumes too. Had no clue what historical was. > >I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of >attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is >no budget left to fix that. > >The costume closet has nothing to help. But the upshot of this all >is that there is a fabric closet. It is filled with donations from >the community. Every discarded curtain set is in there and some >other very nice things. > >This is community theater. There are three of us that are sewing >what is left on the punch list to do. I am the only one that will be >there every night until we open. > >My question is this. Given the amount of time I have what advise do >you all experts have to help make this more presentable >historically? > >If I did not give enough information please ask! :) > >Chiara >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 15:31:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12KVWsM027862 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12KUNZj029051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12KUCCO075320; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav26.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12KU8Pc075178 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV26.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:29:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com><6.0.0.22.0.20050127191611.01dfa108@mail.alltel.net> <41FE43BD.2000907@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:29:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:29:48 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 20:30:03.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9877C40:01C50965] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new cloth source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12KVWsM027862 Status: RO I thought I'd pass this along as I seem to remember past threads about the impossibility of getting cloth that had a medieval weave. Warning - expensive! http://www.lonejackfibers.com/?M=A Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LXZpf028367 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LWfZj005891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LWMxH028809; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav32.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LVZZd028055 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV32.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:29:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:29:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:29:17 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 21:30:03.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B5FBA60:01C5096E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric glossery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12LXZpf028367 Status: RO This e-mail is from an SCA list I am on and I thought some people here might be interested. The lady who put this together is a fabric merchant who sells at Pennsic in one of those little houses across from the barn. Janet Greetings to those of the populace who may be interested in medieval fabric names. I have an incomplete list of medieval fabric names on which I have been sporadically working. I thought it might be interesting to peruse and perhaps shed some light on a term or two. The list of books from which this information was gleaned is at the bottom of the glossary: http://www.classactfabrics.com/information/glossary.htm Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is complete or even accurate to the nth degree...its just what I've found in digging through the books I own. I would welcome facsimiles or scans of book/manuscript pages with more information of this sort too!! Just need to have it 'documented' ;) YIS Maria P -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:46:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LkwhF028436 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:46:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LkVZj007290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LjYo6038916; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:46:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav18.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12Li8bB037681 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:44:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:44:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:43:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:43:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:43:07 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2005 21:44:01.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EA4D6A0:01C50970] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j12LkwhF028436 Status: RO Using Half.com is fine for selling books if you are not in a hurry or have something highly desirable that you will sell for a reasonable price. The highly desirable things are often on the wish lists of a number of people so that as soon as your listing goes through, they will all be sent e-mails and your book can go in a couple hours. If you have ordinary things that already have a number of listings, you could wait several years before yours sold. It is fairly simple to set up. I have not had much luck selling books on Ebay, although I do buy some there. I couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up and a picture is very useful. If you set your price too high, no one will even start to bid on it and if it is too low, you could be unlucky and get less than your book is worth. As a buyer, I notice that I am most likely to get an underpriced bargain when something is mis-categorized or the seller doesn't use the most common buzzwords in the title, like the people who occasionally sell book of hours manuscript facsimiles under "religious books". Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 16:55:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12LthPH028499 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:55:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12LstZj008263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LqwLB045859; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:53:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12LlNFi040670 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16919 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:30:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:30:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, Theresa Threadgill wrote: > Hey Robin since I am a beginner and usually just lurk here, I see > references to books I don't have all the time. For me and others like > me it woul.d be nice that you listed books here with the prices you > want you might sell quite a few of them without haveing to deal with > otheres. I was speaking more generally, not just about books of interest to costumers. For those, I do agree that you can save a lot of effort and listing fees by going to this list first. So this seems to be the time to remind people of our two associated lists for selling costume-related items, including books: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ 42 members. Dawn is the listowner. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ 46 members. Danielle is the listowner. Not much activity on either, but then, as long as people are signed up, they'll see the messages when someone does post. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 17:14:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j12MELab028597 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:14:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12MDbZj010445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12MDX3V064342; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j12MDTI6064184 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4E533996 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B14533997 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:13:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c50974$6f179540$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:12:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shawls, stoles and patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought the good list might want to know we now have available gorgeous Merino wool shawls and stoles very appropriate for Regency wear, some of which are hand-embroidered. 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Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 22:33:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j133X9Uu030101 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j133WIZj009536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133W5in069606; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133W2eH069526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134g3ik016045 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:42:07 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:54:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502022254.00903.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 February 2005 2:19 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and > buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the > brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small > "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. I think the word you're looking for is "crown". > Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for > another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole > hat is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round > the head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green > stumpwork leaves................... That sounds absolutely lovely! > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 22:45:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j133jl14030128 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:45:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j133idZj010353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133ia2N075711; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j133iXoV075631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134scRI016212 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:54:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new cloth source Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:06:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200501280052.j0S0qcPF099491@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502022306.36116.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 February 2005 3:29 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I thought I'd pass this along as I seem to remember past threads about the > impossibility of getting cloth that had a medieval weave. Warning - > expensive! http://www.lonejackfibers.com/?M=A Indeed, expensive! But perhaps worth it. Thanks for passing on the link. > -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 2 23:48:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j134muJD030401 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j134m1Zj014465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j134lmgm007239; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j134ljP6007144 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A02425D5 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <42018E1E.2020401@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:36:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain> <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > > I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of > attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is > no budget left to fix that. Some satins are reasonably dull on the inside that they might be useable to you. I suppose it depends on what colors you have and how they look under lights. Otherwise, those curtains sound like a good bet. I believe there is still a women's sideless surcote pattern in the costume section of the pattern books... from Simplicity if memory serves. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 00:21:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j135LW98030525 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j135KrZj017979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j135KlJg024301; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j135KejZ024169 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-24-1-84-130.client.comcast.net[24.1.84.130]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020305203501100cf63ue>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:20:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1b6f01c509b0$13ee5e10$6d00a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502020611.j126BVWq002441@net.indra.com> <007201c5093b$8c718ee0$0201a8c0@domain><8920.165.236.184.195.1107360480.squirrel@165.236.184.195> <42018E1E.2020401@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:14:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks everyone for the help. It is good. :) I have been able to salvage it and low and behold, the previous designer had returned some very nice costumes to the storage unit that are perfect for some of the characters. He was going for a different look than the director was and hid these from her. She is a very happy director now! And I only have to make two outfits!! Yeah!! :) (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] MacBeth : Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: : : > : > I am left with fabrics that are very limiting in the way of : > attempting to portray the period, read satins and taffeta. There is : > no budget left to fix that. : : Some satins are reasonably dull on the inside that they might be useable : to you. I suppose it depends on what colors you have and how they look : under lights. : : Otherwise, those curtains sound like a good bet. : : I believe there is still a women's sideless surcote pattern in the : costume section of the pattern books... from Simplicity if memory serves. : : : : Dawn : : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 02:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j137ikN2009946 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:44:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j137hbZj026652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137hRsN094566; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137hJA1094474 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:43:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020307431301100ccvmse>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:43:13 +0000 Message-ID: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:43:11 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j137ikN2009946 Status: RO I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, 1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the June 14, 1845 edition. If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 02:56:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j137uta0013827 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j137u8Zj027472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137u47J000758; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (imail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j137tGOD000354 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A96450F20140; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:57:24 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j137uLcL058895 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:00:09 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher In-Reply-To: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2DC4425 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All, I have been trying to access the Elizabethan Geek site, but it seems that a link is broken, or the site has moved, or the site has been removed. Does anyone know anything about this site? Thanks very much, Heather Stecher -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 03:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1389ReP017774 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1387YZj028009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1386uC1006153; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dslgwmail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1386sWA006136 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 01:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC222F53013C; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:09:06 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j13883cL059054 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:11:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <6.1.2.0.0.20050202235741.0272a110@pop.lightspeed.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58B649BC X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to reply to my own email, but it appears the problem was temporary, as I have just accessed the site. My apologies, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:06:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1396NBQ031001 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1395TZj001851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1395MSq036856; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1395F7t036786 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 09:05:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:58:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper In-Reply-To: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:43 03/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The >London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article >entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, >1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of >several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the >June 14, 1845 edition. > >If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this >year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. I am posting this reply here in case it is useful to anyone else. The British Library Newspaper Archive is listed here http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html They have copies of the Illustrated London News from the first edition in 1842. However I do not have the time to visit Colindale, which is where the archive is kept unfortunately. Maybe someone else can. They have newspapers from 1609!!! (Collected by Dr. Thomas Burney, Fanny Burney's father.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:34:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139YOFP006155 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139XjZj003259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139Xf66049991; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139Xc1w049929 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020309333201200fus44e>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:33:32 +0000 Message-ID: <019601c509d3$6d33ade0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:33:32 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Suzi! What is the closest large city to Colindale. I really enjoy the Illustrated London News. I have been a long time fan of pen and ink illustrations. Their earlier illustrations are wonderful! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139baoS007089 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139auZj003370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139atPp051350; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139ZffB050799 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:35:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020309353601100cbqvje>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:35:36 +0000 Message-ID: <019a01c509d3$b6aeddf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:35:35 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 04:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j139r9Ff013060 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 04:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j139qdZj004478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139qXmV058908; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j139qSle058531 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 02:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j139pq206209.; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:51:52 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:51:52 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:51:38 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Colindale is a part of London. I'm sure individual readers can use the library without waiting for an Open Day. (Sorry, can't volunteer as I'm not near enough.) Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor >>> penny@costumegallery.com 03/02/2005 09:35:35 >>> Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 05:05:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13A5MDO014420 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13A4iZj005106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13A4e7F064698; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13A4ao0064593 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020310043101200fv7k3e>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:04:31 +0000 Message-ID: <01a601c509d7$c0c93e80$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:04:30 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Kate for the info. I know different sections of cities can be confusing. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 05:40:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13AeYXJ024709 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:40:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13AbDa3007027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13AAAP0067216; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13AA4qu067089 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 03:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2005 10:09:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203100634.0149e940@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:08:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper In-Reply-To: <019a01c509d3$b6aeddf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203085403.0149e5b0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:35 03/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, well, it doesn't do me to find someone to go there. They are booked >through Sept. See http://www.bl.uk/collections/open.html As you have the specific details of the newspaper, you ring them 48 hours in advance, with those details, and they will have it ready for you, or your researcher. You do not have to wait for an open day, or research it yourself. I just spoke to a most helpful gentleman there. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 08:13:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13DDwgJ001070 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13DClZj027173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DCFjA057464; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DCE8J057440 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from srentcha@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from yourlk4rlmsu41 (141bus14.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.141.14]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j13DCArP003136 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:12:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301c509f2$17b216d0$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> From: "Susan Kent-Chaffee" To: "Historical Costume" References: <016f01c509c4$03518000$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:13:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you contacted the Victoria and Albert Museum? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] Help: London Newspaper I am wanting to see if anyone in England has access to archives of The London Illustrated News from June 1845. I am working on an article entitled Her Majesty's Costume Ball. It was published in the June 7 & 14, 1845 editions of the newspaper. There are complete descriptions of several guests costumes. I am missing page 376 of the article from the June 14, 1845 edition. If anyone has access to these archives or knows of a dealer who sells this year of the newspaper, please contact me off-list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 08:34:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13DY3QC002821 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:34:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13DXRZj001497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DXNMp068592; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13DXLIG068490 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 06:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A818342F0082; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:33:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.115 ([209.131.81.115] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 3 Feb 05 13:33:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c509f5$0c4df400$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c5095c$2f0a69e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:34:10 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds gorgeous! I found myself thinking of the stumpwork that you have been making and wondered if you might be using some of those pieces for the flower part of the new hat. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] hat > Hi, > Today i have cut all the materials required for the hat. Hat material and > buttonhole stitched all the edges and made a ring with hat wire round the > brim. It will be quite simple in shape, like a big strawhat with a small > "head" dont know what you call the "thing" for the head, sorry. > Then i discovered that those chenille stumpwork roses i have made for > another projekt looks absolutely gorgeous on the pink dupioni. The whole hat > is covered with pink dupioni. So i will only add a purple ribbon round the > head and a bow, and then i want to make 3 big stumpwork roses and green > stumpwork leaves................... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 10:17:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13FHsLe004881 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13FGhZj008560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13FGNGj031814; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50407.mail.yahoo.com (web50407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13FFu7j031502 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88386 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2005 15:15:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 11:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13GKtI2005269 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:20:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13GJrZj015072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GHxkW082001; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j13GHXgZ081479 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020311172213954 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:17:22 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j13GHJxX019971 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > This method would surely be quicker than a true stencil, I think. > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tania Gruning" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:embroidery transfer problem > > >> Hi. >> Get a plastic folder and prick the design, then mix some water and flour > together, put the plastic folder on the fabric and paint with the > flourmixture so the it goes through the tiny holes, the design will show > as > small whitish dots, that can be gently scratched away. >> Works wonders on velvet and all dark coloured embroidery backgrounds. >> Tania >> Denmark >> >> Kathryn Parke wrote: >> Hello, all -- >> >> Forgive me for hijacking this post, but I have a somewhat different > problem I hope some of you may have dealt with. I'm designing a ribbon > embroidery memento for one of my "kids" who's getting married, and I'm > doing > her and her fiance's name, surrounded by flowers, on black velveteen, to > make it look really rich. The flowers, of course, are free form (and, I > hope, successful, as I'm fairly new to this kind of work!), but the names > will be embroidered in a beautiful non-metallic silver. Now -- what would > you recommend as the best way to transfer the font to the velveteen for me > to follow? A lightboard won't work, as the fabric is too dense and dark, > and > the nap would make a transfer pencil difficult. I had thought of > transferring the names to a tear-away stabilizer, and either embroidering > over that, OR doing that and then doing a running stitch to mark it on the > cloth (sort of like pouncing with thread, I guess), as I'm nervous that > the > stabilizer might distort the stit! >> ches if I >> embroider closely directly over it. Any suggestions would be most >> welcome! > Bjarne, your work is always so lovely -- have you done anything like this > on > dark fabric? Most of your work I've seen since I've joined this list has > been on pastels, but I would love to emulate your elegant work. >> >> Thank you in advance for your advice -- >> KP >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 11:51:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13Gp2it005468 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:51:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13GnsZj018700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GnoD9010862; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13GnkZD010714 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203164935.LUCX1924.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c50a10$e29383c0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:53:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I start my bid price low but put reserve prices on the books so it doesn't scare bidders away. I sold lots of books but I had to use key words in the title. I did well if I stayed with topics I knew something about but also got lucky with some on topics I was clueless about. Some books I paid 50 cents for and sold for $16.00. I had an old gardening book lying around and decided to sell it as it was so big sold for $54.00, who knew. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Q on selling books Using Half.com is fine for selling books if you are not in a hurry or have something highly desirable that you will sell for a reasonable price. The highly desirable things are often on the wish lists of a number of people so that as soon as your listing goes through, they will all be sent e-mails and your book can go in a couple hours. If you have ordinary things that already have a number of listings, you could wait several years before yours sold. It is fairly simple to set up. I have not had much luck selling books on Ebay, although I do buy some there. I couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up and a picture is very useful. If you set your price too high, no one will even start to bid on it and if it is too low, you could be unlucky and get less than your book is worth. As a buyer, I notice that I am most likely to get an underpriced bargain when something is mis-categorized or the seller doesn't use the most common buzzwords in the title, like the people who occasionally sell book of hours manuscript facsimiles under "religious books". Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 12:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13HFkXR005625 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13HFBZj022139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13HF37P033847; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13HEwCh033723 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203171453.GKQH21202.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:14:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c50a14$6b22e5c0$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] horsehair supplys Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:18:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You should look for horse hair under indian craft supplies like this one??? lots of them sell horse hair http://www.indian-craft-supplies.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=cat-animal-hair.htm/SID=243424013 Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] horsehair supplys The only horse hair that I know of is horse tail hair and usually Crazy Crow carries it. http://www.crazycrow.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=55 5-100-000 De -----Original Message----- hi everyone does anyone know where i can get a contant supply of horsehair, for corset padding for a lady, i dont usually use horsehair with my inflatable crinoline dresses, but this lady wants several horsehaie papped hip pads made, and i could only get that horrid stuff from the upholstery people and thats not reall any good thankssara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 13:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13IKAv6006102 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13IJLZj000413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13IJ7VY090315; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f3.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13IIO6E089714 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:18:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 164.154.114.160 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:17:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.154.114.160] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502011903.j11J3YCk033292@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:17:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2005 18:18:02.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28DD9D0:01C50A1C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] selling books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin - if you ever sell some of your books I would definitely be interested! Taking that a step further, when people on this list have 'costume' books to sell, would it be ethical (or whatever the correct word is) to put them on this list? Berenice Calvina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 15:04:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13K4AfS006643 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:04:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13K37Zj011568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13K2pLW077094; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13K2nHv076982 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050203200239.XCJU17775.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:02:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c50a2b$dba4a880$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] selling books Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't mind as long as you don't continue to advertise them. I would like to know what is available but just in one email per person per group of books. Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waack" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [h-cost] selling books Robin - if you ever sell some of your books I would definitely be interested! Taking that a step further, when people on this list have 'costume' books to sell, would it be ethical (or whatever the correct word is) to put them on this list? Berenice Calvina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 16:27:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13LReuu007125 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:27:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13LQpZj019827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13LQ5xM052349; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13L4aEg033795 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j13KwWQp008955 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:58:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:57:59 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j13L4aEg033795 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Excerpt of message received from ArtRes: >Images from the Victoria and Albert Museum are supplied to advertising and >design agencies, book publishers, newspapers and magazines, television and >electronic media companies, as well as to academic publishers and authors >of scholarly publications. If you fall into one of these groups and work >in North America you are eligible to receive a gratis copy of " 100 GREAT >PAINTINGS FROM THE VICTORIA & ALBERT MUSEUM". > >In order to receive your copy of 100 GREAT PAINTINGS IN THE VICTORIA AND >ALBERT MUSEUM please send us your: >Name >address >e-mail >a description of the type of photo work you do >Send in an e-mail to news@artres.com or call us at (212) 505-8700 (MON- FRI). > >Click > to >see hightlights from The Victoria & Albert Museum. » Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 17:23:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13MNgJX007444 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:23:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13MFaaP025393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13MCUTZ092423; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13MCN0V092295 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 114671BCA93; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:12:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust5.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.5]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D99A1BCA2E for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:12:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:13:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j13MNgJX007444 Status: RO There are a couple of late 15thC/early 16thC elements that I've been tracking lately. In the earlier years of that time range they appear in paintings, the elements are only shown in allegorical settings, but later on, they begin to appear with regularity on real people, and in informal or non-symbolic portraits. For example, there's a sort of a floaty sash shown around the waists of 15th century saints. However, by the early 16th century, these floaty sashes are portrayed realistically in portraits, sketches by Holbein of real people, and so on--they're clearly a real garment by around 1520. Another example is the slit skirt. Again, it starts showing up in paintings that are just dripping with allegory. A little while later, it shows up on lots of images of Anne de Bretagne; so many that it almost seems to become one of her identifying features in later, postmortem AdB images. A little while after that, it begins to show up on servants, and in portraits, and eventually it spreads all over the place in the form of the Tudor divided skirt. There's a similar progression for sleeveless (not sideless) overgowns, although there's less of a clear-cut progression, since sleeveless gowns never became entirely allegorical (just less popular, apparently). Headwear seems to work the same way, sometimes; a wild element of a saint's headdress later shows up as a wild element of a real headdress. In other words, it's beginning to seem to me as though things don't always STAY allegorical, even if they started that way. With both the slit skirt and the floaty waist sash, I can actually sort of see how it might have happened, as AdB favored both, and it is on AdB that both begin to be painted/drawn in a _realistic_ manner. She was in a position to be exposed to plenty of the more impressive paintings of saints; she may well have decided to adopt elements of saints' clothing for political, 'image' reasons. (I vaguely remember reading that some fashion-forward parts of Elizabeth's [?] wardrobe were meant to imitate halos--same idea.) With a queen wearing them, they became fashionable, and within the next 10-20 years spread far enough to be painted by Cranach and Holbein on reasonably humble real people. Has anyone else found examples of allegorical clothing, etc, becoming real clothing? I'm not talking about finding realistic examples of elements shown in allegorical paints, at the same time (wonderful though that is); I'm talking about seeing a timeline where the item is allegorical only, for a while, and THEN starts being worn in realistic settings. (I suppose the whole pre-Raphaelite movement is full of examples of this, now that I think of it. "A most intense young man, A soulful-eyed young man, An ultra-poetical, super-aesthetical Out-of-the-way young man...") -E House, too busy to upload illustrative pics now, but will do so on request when time allows if folks start talkin' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:05:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13N5b7Q007597 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:05:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13N4tZj001687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13N4k6t036018; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13N4gF2035951 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.31] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwq1h-00012w-2G for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras> <023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:04:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bdbddf913c8aa2bf88d9779f81b11decf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.31 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate wrote: > For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? Take a look at this one: http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp you...) -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:42:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13Ng3Vi007969 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13NfDZj005242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13Nf7o5063001; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13Nf2Oa062885 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:51 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUJyKqWx+U1JAM9RVOyjDrttQ0V1wAgPW7g In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, I just HAVE to know, what is this site all about? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dan and Heather Stecher Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek Sorry to reply to my own email, but it appears the problem was temporary, as I have just accessed the site. My apologies, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 18:45:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j13NjRFQ008006 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:45:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j13NiLZj005521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13NiLN4065139; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j13NiHf2065034 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.145.3e9d169b (4196) for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <145.3e9d169b.2f341144@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:44:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thank you so much I've been here all day trying to get up the nerve to ask therea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140L5Np008259 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140JbZj009313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140JT6O091802; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dslgwmail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140JNxo091741 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD2F2AAC014E; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:09:19 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1408CcL074405 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203161040.0285d140@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:12:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek In-Reply-To: <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050203001037.0272bd50@pop.lightspeed.ca> <20050203234051.ZIHR22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-61912390 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's a site devoted to research on the Elizabethan era, mostly costuming, but other stuff as well. Hope that helps, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140Z0b2008343 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140YJZj011697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140Y8CI002511; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140XpXW002206 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from srentcha@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from yourlk4rlmsu41 (141bus14.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.141.14]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j140XkNs005609 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> From: "Susan Kent-Chaffee" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:34:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brenda, I am a designer and seamstress of Period Costumes and the Performing Arts (specifically Classical Ballet). Thanks for the info. I spent some time at the V&A some years ago and purchased a number of phamplets and several days sketching the costumes in the Costume Gallery. All of my books, sketches, and phamplets are in storage right now waiting to be moved to my new home in Va. When they are unpacked and you are interested in titles and publishers I would be happy to forward them to you. You may already have them, but possibly not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Bell" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] ArtRes/V&A offer to acad. authors and publishers > Excerpt of message received from ArtRes: > > >Images from the Victoria and Albert Museum are supplied to advertising and > >design agencies, book publishers, newspapers and magazines, television and > >electronic media companies, as well as to academic publishers and authors > >of scholarly publications. If you fall into one of these groups and work > >in North America you are eligible to receive a gratis copy of " 100 GREAT > >PAINTINGS FROM THE VICTORIA & ALBERT MUSEUM". > > > >In order to receive your copy of 100 GREAT PAINTINGS IN THE VICTORIA AND > >ALBERT MUSEUM please send us your: > >Name > >address > >e-mail > >a description of the type of photo work you do > >Send in an e-mail to news@artres.com or call us at (212) 505-8700 (MON- FRI). > > > >Click > > to > >see hightlights from The Victoria & Albert Museum. » > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 3 19:42:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j140grdF008363 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:42:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j140frZj012207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j140fok4007415; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j140fmDh007326 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020319414017450 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:41:40 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j140fbxX024504 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02ed01c50a52$4a572bb0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras><023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate> <024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:41:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/699/Wed Feb 2 19:53:35 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, if possible. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > Kate wrote: >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > Take a look at this one: > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > you...) > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 02:32:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j147WQpM019295 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:32:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j147VLZj014495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j147U1BK027676; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:30:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81005.mail.yahoo.com (web81005.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j147Tuqq027553 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from altablue@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050204072951.97701.qmail@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.127.252.137] by web81005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:29:51 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Heather Smart To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stays Workshops with Mark Hutter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received a Stay workshop announcement from my English Country Dancing list. I thought it may be of interest here. I apologize if this is a cross post. Mark Hutter, Colonial Williamsburg's Master Tailor will instruct eighteenth century manner of constructing women's stays. The workshops will take place March 11th through the 14th. I posted the flyer attachment here: http://www.geocities.com/altablue/posts/Stays_Workshop.doc Have fun! Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 08:06:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14D6bdI012430 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14D5iZj015463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14D5adu004651; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14D5WcW004556 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 06:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A313F1000AA; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:05:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.105 ([209.131.81.105] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Feb 05 13:05:22 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c50aba$54649580$695183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050129100455.37695.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com><00df01c50609$e38bf600$765183d1@rmitchellras><023b01c50a0b$d669c0a0$4da810ac@Kate><024c01c50a44$b818e3e0$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> <02ed01c50a52$4a572bb0$4da810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:06:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This sounds like an instrument that I see offered for leather tooling.? Look at leatherunlimited.com. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like > little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go > thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, > if possible. > Kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Pinto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > > > > Kate wrote: > >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > > > Take a look at this one: > > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > > you...) > > -Helen/Aidan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 15:54:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14KsDgF019313 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14Kcrxf029053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14KBPwZ052448; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14KBH3m052287 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:11:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cx9nN-000Dgs-9P for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:11:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:41 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions References: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please post some pictures - I did a quick search for Anne de Bretagne but couldn't see anything I would describe as a "floaty waist sash". Please let us see what you're talking about. Jean E House wrote >There are a couple of late 15thC/early 16thC elements that I've been >tracking lately. In the earlier years of that time range they appear >in paintings, the elements are only shown in allegorical settings, but >later on, they begin to appear with regularity on real people, and in >informal or non-symbolic portraits. > >For example, there's a sort of a floaty sash shown around the waists of >15th century saints. However, by the early 16th century, these floaty >sashes are portrayed realistically in portraits, sketches by Holbein of >real people, and so on--they're clearly a real garment by around 1520. > >Another example is the slit skirt. Again, it starts showing up in >paintings that are just dripping with allegory. A little while later, >it shows up on lots of images of Anne de Bretagne; so many that it >almost seems to become one of her identifying features in later, >postmortem AdB images. A little while after that, it begins to show up >on servants, and in portraits, and eventually it spreads all over the >place in the form of the Tudor divided skirt. > >There's a similar progression for sleeveless (not sideless) overgowns, >although there's less of a clear-cut progression, since sleeveless >gowns never became entirely allegorical (just less popular, >apparently). Headwear seems to work the same way, sometimes; a wild >element of a saint's headdress later shows up as a wild element of a >real headdress. > >In other words, it's beginning to seem to me as though things don't >always STAY allegorical, even if they started that way. With both the >slit skirt and the floaty waist sash, I can actually sort of see how it >might have happened, as AdB favored both, and it is on AdB that both >begin to be painted/drawn in a _realistic_ manner. She was in a >position to be exposed to plenty of the more impressive paintings of >saints; she may well have decided to adopt elements of saints' clothing >for political, 'image' reasons. (I vaguely remember reading that some >fashion-forward parts of Elizabeth's [?] wardrobe were meant to imitate >halos--same idea.) With a queen wearing them, they became fashionable, >and within the next 10-20 years spread far enough to be painted by >Cranach and Holbein on reasonably humble real people. > >Has anyone else found examples of allegorical clothing, etc, becoming >real clothing? I'm not talking about finding realistic examples of >elements shown in allegorical paints, at the same time (wonderful >though that is); I'm talking about seeing a timeline where the item is >allegorical only, for a while, and THEN starts being worn in realistic >settings. > >(I suppose the whole pre-Raphaelite movement is full of examples of >this, now that I think of it. >"A most intense young man, >A soulful-eyed young man, >An ultra-poetical, super-aesthetical >Out-of-the-way young man...") > >-E House, too busy to upload illustrative pics now, but will do so on >request when time allows if folks start talkin' >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 16:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j14LoJUF019620 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:50:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j14LnSZj009059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j14LmXg5039911; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j14LiVFv036421 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:44:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 21485 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 21:44:32 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:44:32 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com); by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> In-Reply-To: <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" , gbacg@yahoo.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question for the list.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I apologize if some of you receive this more than once... I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! I would like to know what you guys typically will spend on a brocade or jacquard fabric for a costume. So the questions are: 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural fibers (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric content, or pattern? I want to offer brocades that people want and at reasonable prices. Thanks for your help! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:11:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150Bhmw020287 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:11:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150AjZj000816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150AAiv071058; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j150A8Ud070923 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celtic_dragonrider@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 62560 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 00:10:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050205001001.62558.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.81.240.111] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:10:01 EST Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:10:01 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Renzetti Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know I am rarely writing on this message board now. I am never home to write the messages, merely skim them. THis one interested me. I have a few questions that might answer yours. Personaly I go with the Medieval - Elizabethan era so larger patterned brocades are important to me. Also I live in Canada so my prices may be different from you. TYpically I go to 2 stores where the prices are great, the others are about 10 times the amount, so I rarely go there. Depending on the purpose would determine the fabric type (cotton, synthetic, etc.). Where I buy my fabric, I can acquire the fabric around $2-10/m or yard (CND). I always go to the tapestry or apolstry section when making a period outfit. I typically use broadcloth ($2/yrd or m) for lining and broadcloth/silk ($2-5/ m or yard) for an underdress. Normally I can make a dress for about $30-85 for myself and then to transfer to the customer that cost and raise hourly work for a profit. My questions to you are these: 1. What period are you looking at? (earlier periods used larger and repetative/consistant patterns according to some sources that I have seen and heard from) 2.How much are you willing to spend (a tudor/elizabethan dress takes about 4+ m for my overdress alone) 3.Do you care about the fabric being washable, feelable, knitted or woven (woven is period) 4.Are your customers wanting researched reproduction quality or something that resembles what they have seen from a movie 5.How much profit are you wanting to achieve based on the cost of material I know others will have their experiences and opinions, but I hope this helped some. Janet Diana Habra wrote: I apologize if some of you receive this more than once... I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! I would like to know what you guys typically will spend on a brocade or jacquard fabric for a costume. So the questions are: 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural fibers (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric content, or pattern? I want to offer brocades that people want and at reasonable prices. Thanks for your help! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150jDcv020386 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150iTZj004970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150iPaS097986; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150iM9Y097931 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA11456; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:45:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: "Helen Pinto" , "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:44:20 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur period? X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <420416e4.2aa4.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Helen, thank you very much for the advice. I do really appreciate it. And I don't actually recall ever using altavista. I'll have to check that search engine out the next time I need an image. The other search engine I forgot we had, is Copernic. Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:47:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150lhA0020401 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:47:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150l3Zj005266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150l2ep099726; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150io8s098168 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:44:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1b.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.210]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IBE00EQ4Y2F5H@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from becs-2.paradise.net.nz (becs-2.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.34]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0748287A for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by becs-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 80) id 264479CF37; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:44:39 +1300 (NZDT) From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list.... In-reply-to: <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> X-Originating-IP: 203.97.11.70 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1107564279.420416f71f409@www.paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050203155447.05288eb0@earthlink.net> <011001c50a51$508d6680$0e8d5e18@yourlk4rlmsu41> <35689.162.119.64.110.1107553460.squirrel@162.119.64.110> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Quoting Diana Habra : > 1) How much per yard do you usually spend on a brocade fabric? OK, I live in New Zealand, so all my prices are in New Zealand dollars, which I think are wourth about $US0.71. I rarely buy brocade, but speaking in general, I will spend up to $12/m for good 115cm wide fabric, or $16/m for 150/160cm. _Perfect_ fabric is a different thing, and I can be persuaded to go as high as around $25/m if it's _really_ good _and_ I have a planned project to use it in. > 2) Do you care about the fabric content? Do you try to buy natural > fibers > (cotton/linen/wool) instead of synthetic blends? Or does it not matter? I buy natural fibres pretty much exclusively. > 3) What is most important when you shop for brocades? Price, fabric > content, or pattern? There's not a single "most" important feature. All of those things are important, as well as weight, drape, and colour. Adele d'M _________________________________________________ Quot homines, tot sententiae. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 19:56:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j150u7v5020481 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:56:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j150tWZj006065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150t76V005479; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j150t2CO005418 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:55:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA11781 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:55:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:55:03 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42041967.3fe5.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Princess Seam X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would like to thank everyone for being so patient with me when it comes to my questions about costuming. It's only been a few years that I have really started to get serious about the subject. I've always been a needlework person, almost any form of embroidery or decorative stitching. My new question has to do with princess seams. I was unsatisfied with a piece of emergency garb that I had to sew. It was because it was supposed to be a Renaissance bodice and it had princess seams. At the event I was holding I mention my dissatisfaction about the seams and how OOP they were, when another lady (who is a professional costumer) informed me that they were actually proper for the time period. I decided to go to my books on costuming (The 20,000 Years of Fashion and The History of Costume) and could not find anything about this type of seam or any pictures (at least none in the Ren period). So, friends, when did princess seams come in? Roscelin Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:03:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1513vgN020525 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1513OZj006623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1513LdB010738; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1513IFD010711 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA12060 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:04:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:03:19 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a doll like the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've only made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:10:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151AcKL020541 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151A1Zj007067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1519wO4015170; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:09:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1519urH015057 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:09:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.d8.1f34f78b (2519) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:09:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, roscelin@pcez.com writes: So, friends, when did princess seams come in? I always thought they were "invented" by Worth, in the 19th century, but that may not be correct. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 20:44:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j151hvUl020662 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151hJZj010337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151grC5036030; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151gPME035664 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:42:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07633 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:54:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:54:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <42041967.3fe5.0@pcez.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, roscelin wrote: > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? Depends on how you define "princess seam." Some people use the term to refer to any side front seam that goes over the bust point. Some people make a distinction between side front seams that curve sideways into the armhole, as opposed to continuing up to the shoulder. There are certainly side front seams that curve over the bust point in the later Middle Ages and on. The earliest such seam I've seen is in the portrait of Agnes Sorel as the Maddona, by Fouquet (known for the single exposed breast), which was painted around 1450. Many people will point to this and say, "See, princess seams are period." However, I wouldn't call this a "princess seam" in the modern sense. For me, a crucial issue -- more important than whether the seam goes to the shoulder or the armhole -- is the shape of the curve, and the variation in degree of curve between the front piece and side piece. A modern "princess seam" cut is designed to lie over a foundation that holds the breasts up (but not high) and out; the foundation (e.g., a bra) holds the breasts in this position, and the princess cut shapes the overlying fabric to lie smoothly over the established bosom. Agnes Sorel's dress apparently used seams in this position to shape the bosom in a certain way, but not to make the dress fall neatly over an already-established profile -- and the shape itself would not be that of the modern princess dress. I believe some Elizabethan and Renaissance designs also use a seam in this position, but again, the shape is different, and so the cut of the pieces and the interaction of the curves is not that of the modern "princess" cut. So, if you're just looking for evidence of a seam in this position, that shouldn't be a problem in the 16th century. But that doesn't make it a "princess seam." The same goes for earlier constructions seen on some extant garments, such as the Greenland dresses, some of which use vertical piecing to create sufficient width around the body and to accomplish some shaping all the way around the body to come closer in the torso. The fact that some of these extra body seams fall near to the bust doesn't make them princess seams. So, if someone says that princess seams existed in a certain time period, it's important to determine whether they're referring to the *modern* princess cut, or just using that term as shorthand for any over-the-bust seam. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1536UBH020992 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:06:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j151T5Zj008954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151SvRi027832; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j151St6m027815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2491 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxEkh-0006z7-9d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:28:47 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j151tXCF034470 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j151tWBa034469 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:55:32 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty much like princess seams to me. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j153DeIR021018 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153CuZj019121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153CnpF098285; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153Cj7M098238 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so459832rne for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Trz2XDQ8ExWamRds5MOWcYdjR6howL5XvsMPmi42FQEtzLqJf4LfPioruLGm0V6SpJ3sDPeJMtANf4GtxNA8pQHLB9FBW2IgpRcFuMlAMH5dKiBD1mdVRFmcwjyQOlXFpFjFFhbM762cDwTvIDHji+ZVcqDaOnILVcaGgCwTx5E= Received: by 10.38.71.79 with SMTP id t79mr71732rna; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:12:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905020419126b5ce474@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:12:44 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought this might be fun for some: http://www.paperdollheaven.com/historyoffashion.php Latest Flash plugin required, and no, I don't know how accurate it all is - the undewear is certainly fanciful until about 1930, when it looks like someone at least tried to do some research. Anyway - have fun! Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 22:33:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j153XnY7021073 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:33:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153XFZj020540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153XCpQ011111; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j153VQ2K010069 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-76-56.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.76.56]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j153R3c2000927 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:27:08 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050204192349.0247cbe0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:26:25 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll In-Reply-To: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a > doll like >the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. > Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is >the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've >only >made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. I make dolls, and the best way to make patterns is to look at the big patterns and make smaller versions just like them. It's kind of like making patterns for someone not the same size as the original pattern. Sometimes the patterns come on a grid, like in Janet Arnold, and can be easily scaled directly to another grid. Failing that, drape the patterns right on the doll body. BTW, I don't own this book, and have never seen this fashion baby. Is she all cloth, wood and cloth, or all wood? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 4 23:16:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j154Go9l021169 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:16:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j154G1Zj024003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j154FMCx039046; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j154FIKY038961 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050205041513.59794.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.16.70] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:15:13 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050204192349.0247cbe0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > BTW, I don't own this book, and have never seen this fashion baby. > Is she > all cloth, wood and cloth, or all wood? > > >From another doll source that I don't have to hand to site at the moment, the doll is a wire frame, wrapped with reeled or unspun silk threads of yellow and red. The head appears to be a cloth head, with embroidered features and has human hair for her wig. One of the things that I think is interesting about this doll is that is rather simple when compared to the artwork of this period that show dolls. Of course, my estimate that the dolls that show in those paintings are probably twelve to fifteen inches tall would allow for more detail than this one that is only six and a half inches. I would suggest that if you are unfamilar with patterning your own clothes for dolls or people that you should look at something like Janet Arnold's Patterns of fashions, pick an outfit that you'd like to recreate in doll size, make your doll match the grid size of the pattern, and if that chart grid is too small, put it on a copier to say 200%, and scale the doll appropriately. That way you have a pattern that is exactly the size that you need for your doll. Alexandria 16th century dolls is one of my pet projects- on the one hand you have dolls, which are always fun, and on the other, you need to make clothes for them, what more can you ask for? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 00:15:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j155FZOY021450 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j155EIZj028304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j155ECx2074876; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j155EAIj074832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.153] (acty1153.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.153]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j155E47P007391 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:14:04 -0500 Message-ID: <42045616.9020401@dandy.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:13:58 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hose/stockings References: <3FA46CD3.9000701@dandy.net> <000601c3979b$bfd77780$6c2da5d1@pavilion> <002601c3970b$ad38c880$ba6453d8@Kass> <000e01c39783$9cae89a0$e02da5d1@pavilion> <000601c3979b$bfd77780$6c2da5d1@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20031028231011.0487d650@mail.frys.com> <3FA46CD3.9000701@dandy.net> <4.3.1.2.20031102223240.05ad2a50@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hey, Carol, will you be around tomorrow (Saturday)? We will be at Adelphi Mill (Pirate Feast) and my wife will be bringing some of the examples she has done of some of the historical knitting. Cheers, Mike T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 01:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15652ku021705 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1564BZj002782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:04:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1563vJ8005640; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:03:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1563tAM005606 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CxJ2v-0003dG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:03:54 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050204235836.02815158@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:01:45 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> References: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I knew we had one of these, and I finally found the source: (don't know if this will show up as a link - if not, cut and paste, etc.) http://www.baerfabrics.com/detail.asp?product_ID=500760-EA Baer Fabric is a great store in Louisville, KY. We specifically planned a route through there on one of our last costuming trips so we could shop there. We were able to get several tools and notions that we couldn't find anywhere else. HTH, Sandy At 01:03 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: >From: "Kate Pinner" >Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > >When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points like >little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this kind, >if possible. >Kate > >From: "Helen Pinto" >Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem > > > Kate wrote: > >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on it > >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? > > > > Take a look at this one: > > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 > > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than the > > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby > > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from Widget. > > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp > > you...) > > -Helen/Aidan "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:21:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159Lw2e017022 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:21:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159JOZj016659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159JDcl024138; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j159JAxV024066 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62464 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2005 09:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20050205091904.62462.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:19:04 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:19:04 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Jean This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings around the late 15C. There is an excellent page about it on the website of Kamillah called 'Sugar & Gamurra' http://www.geocities.com/kamillavh/0109.html with lots of serious research. Enjoy! HTH Katherine p.s. I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ it became 'real'... ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:23:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159NYcx017179 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159N2Zj016851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159N2jR026283; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159KcgZ024902 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.142.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.142] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j159KK9u016670 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:20:24 +1100 Message-ID: <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:18:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam > > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 04:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j159U4IR017945 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j159TTZj017265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159TQiV029890; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j159TO5v029859 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 02:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.142.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.142] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j159TK1E016884 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:29:21 +1100 Message-ID: <00d801c50b64$da81c520$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac1905020419126b5ce474@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:27:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] History of Fashion virtual paper dolls > Thought this might be fun for some: > > http://www.paperdollheaven.com/historyoffashion.php > > Latest Flash plugin required, and no, I don't know how accurate it all > is - the undewear is certainly fanciful until about 1930, when it > looks like someone at least tried to do some research. > > Anyway - have fun! > > Allison T. cringe, the 1940s and later looks OK but otherwise pretty inaccurate (especially the underwear) Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15CVia9024582 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15CUPZj012299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CUCZT031922; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CU69Z031805 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DCB403AB for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3E29B3954; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CBLxKAAIy0wEAAAAB,b09cfd98ceaa31a358c64b12b47b00cc Message-Id: <20050205123002.3E29B3954@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne, Please, please, please put up pictures when you've finished - it sounds fantastic! What started this project? ( just curious :-) ) Joannah. --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: From: purplkat@optonline.net Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:17 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball Bjarne, Is there any way I can beg the scraps of this wonderful dupioni??? I am in the midst of the final parts of the Elizabethan that drives authenticity-nuts CRAZY!! It is perfectly done, the corset is correct, the pattern is correct, I cartridge pleated the skirt, everything is correct -- EXCEPT the fabric -- 3" squares of random various fabrics..... (from leather to lace to silk to double knit polyester to fabric made out of fiberglass (circa 1950's) to linen. Katheryne who is having WAY tooo much fun on this dress. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews . So i finally will find something to use my shocking pink dupioni of. > She shall have a dress of this. I have 12 meters of it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:57:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15CvmwK024926 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:57:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15CvIZj020247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvDE3046147; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvB7g046107 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12508 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:08:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:08:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". In-Reply-To: <20050205091904.62462.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, katherine sanders wrote: > This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a > 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings > around the late 15C. ... I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ > it became 'real'... Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters visited Italy). It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of artists and only later picked up by others. I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be able to track something. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 07:58:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15Cwbf9024932 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15Cw1Zj020468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Cw0Dw046561; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15CvoOJ046391 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601E3FD05 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DB26937CF3; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CBMLJAAzQVAEAAAAB,faa2a850ddf3dd775649676c4a598d64 Message-Id: <20050205125745.DB26937CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katheryne, Raw silk, if you put it through the washing machine and dryer, 'plumps' up and gets a very 'homespun' appearance, if you would like that look. I have a skirt ( which I still use for re-enactment and probably shouldn't ) which is made of raw silk which has been treated this way and it is very hard-wearing, as well as easy care - I continue to throw it into the washing machine whenever it needs it ( I also don't bother to use special detergent / 'woolwash' usually, either ) - and it is still nice against the skin, if considerably faded now more than 4 years. Probably not 'period' for you, though. But, it's an idea of how it _could_ work for you. Joannah. --- purplkat@optonline.net wrote: From: purplkat@optonline.net Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:10:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric junkie alert My Jo-Anns specializes in fleece and 'crafty' fabric.. Have to really look for the good stuff.... Katheryne who would love to find a use for olive green raw silk - in the medieval period.... hhmmm dye it perhaps?? Jo-Anns had 3!! bolts full at $3 / yd _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DNnGg025153 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:23:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DN9Zj026912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DN5CO060718; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DN3Vx060655 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050205132258015009gdkue>; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:22:58 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:22:57 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:22:57 +0000 Message-Id: <020520051322.26286.4204C8B10004815A000066AE22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Researching the Re: "floaty waist sash". X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is just my little ol' opinion, but if you have read the Mummies of Urmichi (not sure about spelling of Urmichi), they render excellent examples of the kind of research Robin is talking about. Again, I could be wrong...There may be better examples out there... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, katherine sanders wrote: > > > This could be what in Italian costume I've heard referred to as a > > 'poste' - a long possibly silken sash which appears in many paintings > > around the late 15C. ... I've no idea if it was allegorical /before/ > > it became 'real'... > > Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists > used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign > character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing > seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been > traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists > on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters > visited Italy). > > It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other > geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists > before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual > routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a > possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a > fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. > > E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the > line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but > I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. > To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular > used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, > some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, > and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of > artists and only later picked up by others. > > I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, > to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in > two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. > For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts > from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences > in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor > clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a > farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be > able to track something. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:34:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DY7iK025270 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:34:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DXMZj029428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DXCcK066575; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j15DX97J066482 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020508330126250 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:33:01 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j15DWwxX010769 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:33:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <030b01c50b87$393f7e00$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502041903.j14J3HXa093477@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050204235836.02815158@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! That is exactly what I have been looking for! Although the other suggestions and my own search on google turned up lots of interesting toys, er.. tools, I hadn't found it. Thank you! Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel >I knew we had one of these, and I finally found the source: (don't know if >this will show up as a link - if not, cut and paste, etc.) > > http://www.baerfabrics.com/detail.asp?product_ID=500760-EA > > Baer Fabric is a great store in Louisville, KY. We specifically planned a > route through there on one of our last costuming trips so we could shop > there. We were able to get several tools and notions that we couldn't > find anywhere else. > > HTH, > > Sandy > > At 01:03 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: >>From: "Kate Pinner" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem >> >>When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points >>like >>little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >>thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this >>kind, >>if possible. >>Kate >> >>From: "Helen Pinto" >>Subject: Re: [h-cost]Q?:embroidery transfer problem >> >> > Kate wrote: >> >> For pricking, where do you get a pounce wheel that has real points on >> >> it >> >> and not those blunted things they try to sell as pounce wheels? >> > >> > Take a look at this one: >> > http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/stylus/BEN66 >> > It's made by the people who make X-acto knives, so it's sharper than >> > the >> > one from the sewing stores. You should be able to find it at a hobby >> > store (the kind that does model trains) or order it on-line from >> > Widget. >> > (Widget is cheap, reliable, and has way too much cool stuff to temp >> > you...) >> > -Helen/Aidan > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 08:35:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15DZsuU025303 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:35:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DZFZj029991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DZFTk067905; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DZCC5067817 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB874783008A; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:35:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Feb 05 13:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c50b87$a41d47c0$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42041b57.4fa2.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:36:03 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This has been an ongoing project of mine for the last three years. I chose to take a porcelain doll class for the model. After choosing the Kessner 'Gibson girl" 12-14" for the doll, I had an ongoing 'discussion' with the teacher about the amount of color I preferred for the face. Even after I brought QEWU to class, she still tried to persuade me to do the head in the traditional color fashion. I won, at least to my satisfaction. On to the clothing. I found out by accident that the Hunnisett patterns for corsets, bodices, and sleeves were exactly the scale for the body of the doll. (Mine has a cloth body that was tailored by the teacher of a friend several years ago). It is very shapely. I stuffed it with 50 year-old sawdust that had been 'oven-cured. I have completed one ensemble that is Ren. influenced and have been collecting fabric and beads and jewelry for an honest portrait attempt. Just this month I received my issue of "Doll Costuming" and was surprised and delighted to see that the major article was on a QE doll! It is the best that I have seen. The artist chose to make his own model and she is very nice indeed. A bit more color than I would have used on the face, but it suits the current aesthetic. The costume is Fabulous! He used the Pelican portrait for the gown, including all the jewels and embroidery one needed to bring the portrait to life. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "roscelin" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fashion doll > I need some assistance on a future project. I would like to make a doll like > the "fashion doll" in QEWU. It's on page 157 and 158 fig. 248 & 248a. > Is there anyone in the group has made this type of doll before and what is > the best way to go about creating the pattern for the doll's outfit? I've only > made rag dolls and period-like doll clothes from a Simplicity pattern. > > Roscelin > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:00:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15E0BaR025590 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:00:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15DxNZj005071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15DxKpG082342; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j15DxIki082288 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005020508591226355 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:59:12 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j15DxAxX011479 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <032d01c50b8a$e1f8d2a0$4da810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Barbie? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:59:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This painting struck me as a 15th century Barbie! But seriously, What's with the skirt of her gown? It looks as if she's pulled it up and tied a belt/braid to keep it there. My question is, Why? I understand exposing the breast to feed the baby but why raise her skirt? Or was this a fashion? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam >> In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> roscelin@pcez.com writes: >> >> So, friends, when did princess seams come in? >> > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:23:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15ENlkD025876 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15ENCZj006680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EN6kQ095653; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from decna.com (decna.com [194.63.250.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EN3oW095567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from decna.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j15EMveN014896 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by decna.com (8.13.2/8.13.2/Submit) with ESMTP id j15EMviJ014892 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: decna.com: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:22:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@decna.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, roscelin wrote: > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > There are certainly side front seams that curve over the bust point in the > later Middle Ages and on. The earliest such seam I've seen is in the > portrait of Agnes Sorel as the Maddona, by Fouquet (known for the single > exposed breast), which was painted around 1450. The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also has a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley gives an estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in "Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is the dating off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of seam? Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 09:42:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15Egdkr026145 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15EfuZj007830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EfoMF006830; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15EfkGq006731 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.97.58750d4c (4560) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:41:38 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <97.58750d4c.2f363522@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:41:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Needle point tracing wheel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5037 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/5/2005 6:35:15 AM Mountain Standard Time, pinner@mccc.edu writes: >>When I was in Grad school ages ago, we used to have one that had points >>like >>little awls set into a wheel. Holes were about 1/8" apart and it would go >>thru the lighting gels as well as kraft paper. I'm hoping to find this >>kind, >>if possible. You can also get them at Greenburg and Hammer in NYC. They have an extensive catalogue of hard-to-find specialities for costume construction. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 10:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15FVb4M027026 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15FUgZj010843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:30:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15FSZJv033877; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15FRUMa033339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2985 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CxRqI-0007Te-HW for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:27:26 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j15FsCCF039558 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j15FsCN5039557 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502051554.j15FsCN5039557@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > roscelin@pcez.com writes: > > > > > > So, friends, when did princess seams come in? > > > > > > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > > much like princess seams to me. > > > > > > Jerusha > > > > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams > which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by > separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams > over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam > to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. And you know, I wan't thinking when I sent that painting yesterday. (I was trying to do a bazillion things at the same time and my brain was fried!) If I'd had my with about me, I would have qualified that with the "yes they put seams here, but did they serve the same function" comment that Robin so eloquently elaborated on. Warning, be sure brain is engaged before answering email! :-S Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 13:25:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15IPlLC030015 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15IOwZj023164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15IOjju045121; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15IOhes045055 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14940 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:36:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:36:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id j15IOhes045055 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, [iso-8859-1] Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also > has a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley > gives an estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in > "Medieval Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is > the dating off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of > seam? I've always been very troubled by that image. There are dating problems with all the Devonshire tapestries, in whole or part. They were not a uniform set from a single place and time, but examples of a popular genre that was produced over a span of time. One problem you get with tapestries like this is that they may include internal contradictions in time period. These may occur when parts of cartoons (the templates from which the weaving is done) drawn in different time periods are combined into a new arrangement to create a new tapestry. You can also get incongruities when tapestries are cut apart, re-pieced, and rewoven to fit different spaces. There are several things about the Miller's Wife figure that make her seem out of place in her setting, to my eye at least. I have often wondered whether she was restored at some point along the line, or whether some parts of her or the figure as a whole were later additions. I hope someday that a textile scholar is intrigued enough by this question to examine that part of the tapestry for signs that it was pieced in or restored. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 15:48:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15KmxOo000333 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15KmNZj003714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15KmABS033150; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Km7dt032934 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DB344179E59; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:47:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust74.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.74]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CCBA2179E5B for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:47:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <017f01c50bc4$11da1e50$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010401c50a3d$8a4f9000$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" > Please post some pictures - I did a quick search for Anne de Bretagne but > couldn't see anything I would describe as a "floaty waist sash". Please > let us see what you're talking about. > > Jean Here are a couple of quick AdB examples: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500AdB1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500_adbaftermarriagetolouisXII_plutarque_2.jpg The first shows AdB wearing both the waist sash and the split skirt I mentioned. Here it is, around the same time, on another sprig of royalty, Margaret of Austria (or possibly of Savoy): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/margaretofaustriaorsavoy.jpg And here, on another pair of Princesses (Mary & Margaret Tudor, I think?): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1500seatrip.jpg Each of the above dates between 1500 and ~1510 or earlier. This shows the floaty waist sash in a religious setting (on Salome): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1507-8flemmassys.jpg You can see more clearly here why I think of it as the "floaty" waist sash: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1505germany.jpg And to give you a clearer look than some of these images provide, here's a version of it on Diana as she leads a hunt: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/__hr_Diana%20and%20Hunters.jpg The Unicorn Hunt tapestry may or may not be the best source for realistic depictions, but here it is again worn with a perfectly documentable real style: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1495-1505unicornkilleddet.jpg It shows up on women in religious settings much earlier than any images I've included; I haven't added those simply because the sash is so obscured by the rest of what's going on that it's not the best example. However, given the distinctive knot you see in so many of the later depictions, it's not too hard to identify it from just a peek at the waist. Well, actually, I may as well put up an example of that: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1475-80dutch.jpg The earlier depictions show it worn slightly differently; the portion around the waist is often twisted, as here. It's also worn by men: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500lejardin.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1465-8flemishgoes.jpg (In fact, it seems to be downright common on men in the second half of the 15thC--I don't really collect images of men's clothing, but in a quick search for images to show you, I ran across at least a dozen examples of this type or similar types of sashes on men.) On men, it's depicted more realistically, and the use of the sash as an allegorical symbol may well relate to where those men got the fashion. And here it is later on, in clearly non-allegorical, non-royal, non-historical settings: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/english.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/leyden3.jpg As worn by an early 16thC spinster for her brass (she's wearing styles that are MUCH earlier than her date of death--her dress is more like late 1480s/early 1490s, and if I remember correctly, her death was around 1525. The sash may be a way of updating the outfit a tad): http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/trivick04.gif Looking back through my images just now, I'm finding it in more regions that I'd remembered--England, France & the Lowlands, Hungary & Bohemia and Germanic areas, Italy, in Spain on a Moor... It's worn by men, women, and children; over the course of a few decades, it appears on nearly every class. Artists such as Van Leyden who are noted for accurate rendering of local costumes (and were described this way within living memory of their career) show it; well-travelled artists such as Holbein show it; isolated small-time artists such as those in Hungary & Bohemia include it in an almost iconographic manner. It appears in isolated situations in the 2nd half of the 15thC; right around 1500-1505, it seems to go through an explosion of popularity and shows up all over the place in short order. (From a practical standpoint, it would be an easy fashion to adopt, since all you really need is a few yards of very narrow fabric/wide ribbon/tablet weaving.) It seems to stick around longest in Dutch areas, and drifts out of use around 1530-1535 (at least in the parts of Europe I study). -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 18:55:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j15NtYkQ005608 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j15NsXZj013659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15NsBqK048151; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail11.mdx.safepages.com (mail11.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j15Ns4FD047962 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 96450A07CD; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:53:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust127.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.127]) by mail11.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AA54A07D9 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:53:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:54:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > Hmm. Some of the clothing tidbits that 15th c. Northern European artists > used for allegorical purposes were meant to send the message of "foreign > character" -- and some of those were modeled on actual foreign clothing > seen on visitors (e.g. the appearance of certain outlandish hats has been > traced to a celebrated visit from the Turkish court), or seen by artists > on their travels (e.g., several of the Northern Renaissance painters > visited Italy). >From looking into the poste a tad just now, there does seem to be some connection there. So far, I've got earlier dates for it in Northern Europe than Southern, but I clearly haven't looked into it enough to know with any certainty who got there first. Still, there's the fact that within Northern Europe, the garment hangs about in allegorical settings for decades, then suddenly explodes into a real fashion. It's that jump from shown-but-not-worn, to WORN, that fascinates me. > It may be that the sash was a real element of fashion in some other > geographic area, and was picked up as a "foreign" element by artists > before eventually working its way in as a live fashion through the usual > routes. I don't know Anne de Bretagne's history, but E mentions her as a > possible introducer of the sash; a queen with foreign roots could be a > fast-track vector for a foreign fashion. AdB (sorry, I get really tired of typing out the full name!) may not be the single innovator, but she is either the earliest or one of the earliest peolpe that appear to actually wear it, rather than just being depicted in it. When she's first shown in it, she's shown in rather heavily symbolic settings, giving the sash a sort of allegorical feel; later, though, she seems to be just plain wearing it as a garment. It's that transition in the way it's shown on her specifically that makes me think of it as moving from allegory to reality on AdB herself. However, the transition I see played out on her may not have originated there. > E, do let us know more about your findings. I'm not convinced that the > line of influence is paintings --> real life in the examples you cite, but > I think you may be seeing signs of a more complicated pattern of movement. > To suss it out, you should probably look at which artists in particular > used the element(s) in question and exactly when and how; for instance, > some artists have documented travels that affected their use of costume, > and some symbols tended to be used by particular groups or schools of > artists and only later picked up by others. > I would also look for direct chains of geographic and temporal movement, > to counter the possibility that an element might show up independently in > two separated circumstances as a result of different lines of evolution. I've looked into this a bit, and so far have found no clear connection (or perhaps, too many connections to pin a single one down). However, I have much more information on the later, worn-as-a-real-garment artists than on the earlier artists (often just known to me as 'Master of the ...') so there certainly may be a connection that I'm just not able to find at the moment. I'm not saying I've done all the research I can on the question, by any means; just that I don't have time to do any more on this subject right now, but I haven't found anything in what I _have_ done. But again, right now I'm more interested in the fact that a garment depicted as a fantasy becoming a reality, regardless of where the artist got the idea for that fantasy. (Considering all the fancy drapery going around at that time, I wouldn't be the least surprised if some artist somewhere just ...decided it would be pretty. Or if another artist somewhere saw it being worn in a different manner on a trip to Italy and decided to re-purpose it, and another associated it with the Holy Land and used it as a symbol, and... ) The 'where they got the idea' is important and interesting and I want to know, but the simple fact of that leap from not-worn to worn makes me suddenly a lot more interested in and less dismissive of allegorical fashions. > For instance, I'd be hesitant to draw a direct line regarding split skirts > from Flemish saints to the Tudor court, given the many other differences > in silhouette between those styles and other issues going on with Tudor > clothing development (e.g. the mechanics of laying a skirt over a > farthingale) and other sources of influence (e.g. Spain), but you might be > able to track something. > > --Robin The split skirt brings up topics too long for me to post about here & now, but to summarize, the 'Tudor'* style seems to be a combination of what was going on in Spain, and what was already in place in Northern Europe; the split skirt is one element that was already going on in NE before the foundational elements came in from Spain. In other words, I'm not calling it a straight line, but rather saying that this specific element was already in place in NE before the new style fully developed. Though Spain certainly had a lot of impact on that fashion and the ways it was constructed, I really think Spain's impact has been overstated. The gowns being worn just before the new fashion are almost the same as the new fashion; they're just built over a different support/underpinning system. *The term 'Tudor' for that style of dress is one of my buttons; I could refer to wildly different English clothing from 1485 as Tudor with equal accuracy. But everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say 'Tudor', so I use it anyway... -E House really needs to go sew on 30 pair of hooks and eyes now, sigh. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 19:07:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1607wT2005867 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1607NZj015115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1607K9X056107; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1607HND056077 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id CD500143434; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust127.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.127]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 722DD1432A5 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:07:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <01a501c50bdf$ec7c7880$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <020520051322.26286.4204C8B10004815A000066AE22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] mummies (was researching, floaty, etc) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:07:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't read that, but that book has been on my to-buy list for a while! I'm absolutely fascinated by the Urumchi mummies. (And the rest of the Silk Road mummies--were they all found in Urumchi? I think there were more elsewhere.) In fact, I'm absolutely fascinated by mummies in general. I hope that doesn't make me too morbid. What is it about seeing the actual faces?! -E House ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh" > This is just my little ol' opinion, but if you have read the > Mummies of Urmichi (not sure about spelling of Urmichi), > they render excellent examples of the kind of research > Robin is talking about. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 19:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j160PZ8S006278 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:25:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j160OpZj016082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j160OlEl066726; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j160OjMH066690 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.253.103.201] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CxaEF-0002zf-Li for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:24:44 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=AQX/Q2X+h3ueBNK2wlEyecBxv/s6Saq6X2ooSheZXvBz3vhX52CQKqhzbV5V3q4w; Message-ID: <001801c50be2$3cf327d0$c967fd04@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:24:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da9400988f369e500f26775152020ca66a6ef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.253.103.201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They sure do to me, as well - into the armhole? I always wonder when I see these "plucked head" ladies - how peculiar do they look without the headgear? Liadain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Farmer" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam >> In a message dated 2/4/2005 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> roscelin@pcez.com writes: >> >> So, friends, when did princess seams come in? >> > > Well, I've got this painting by Fouquet (1420-1480) and those look pretty > much like princess seams to me. > > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 21:38:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j162ccdf008361 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:38:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j162bkZj025056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162bdLU047144; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162bbpr047073 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206023731.ZHKS21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:31 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([210.86.108.186]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206023731.ZAGJ22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:31 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.5]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:37:38 +1300 Message-ID: <005901c50bf4$d2e0f0d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:36 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The miller's wife in the "Falconry" Devonshire Hunting tapestry also has > a very clear seam line like the Agnes Sorel one. Linda Woolley gives an > estimated date for this tapestry as somewhere around 1430 (in "Medieval > Life and Leisure in the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries") - is the dating > off, or is this an earlier visual source for this kind of seam? There are two figures that have seams over the busts. The other is a woman tending some sheep. Her skirt is bunched up over her hips and she has bare feet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon1.jpg This one is a bit more weird as they seem to converge into a middle seam. They do look much later than other figures. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 5 21:47:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j162l70m008498 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:47:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j162kPZj025577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162kAJQ052142; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j162k6Un052029 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206024600.RBGL23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:00 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([210.86.108.186]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050206024559.YYAC7985.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:45:59 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.5]); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:46:07 +1300 Message-ID: <005d01c50bf6$02442d50$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502050155.j151tWBa034469@sabre.goldsword.com> <00cd01c50b63$9a07d6c0$8e92d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:07 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > but I don't think they are acting in the same way as modern princess seams > which are designed to skim over the curves of a body which is supported by > separate undergarments. and I certainly haven't seen any evidence for seams > over the bust in the 16th century, and you certainly wouldn't want the seam > to be curved as the ideal figure was essentially cone shaped. > Elizabeth Early or late;)? Ther eis plenty of visual and extant evidence of curved seams over the bust in late 16thC Spanish dress, but they ae not about shaping to the bust. In paintings they are harder to distinguisd as curved, but even in a conical shaped torso you can use curves. They are also used in 17th and 18thC corsetry and bodices. I suspect is is as much for visually drawing the eye as there are some instances where seams are decorated (jewellery especially in the Spanish stuff.) But a curve also offers a bit more stretch, so I suspect it is also about fitting smoothing over the cone shaped base. My Elizabeth de Valois gown uses an extant Spanish jerkin as the base of the bodice (darn near perfect size for me scaled directly up) which is found in the first edition of History of Costume by Blanche Payne. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm If you scroll to the bottom you'll see the test patterns which show the seams more readily. Curved seams and what look to be faked curved seams can also be found in Alcega. Note though I am *not* suggesting they are princess seams in any way shape or form. the query was for seams over the bust. And a side note, Worth didn't claim credit for the princess seam. It was the pincesse line (en princesse) that he or proponants claim he invented. His dresses used darts at the front and seams at the back to create a dress with no waist seams. Apparently though he really just made the look more popular when he used it for his royal clients. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 03:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j168COa4015962 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1688scB014178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j163dAku084701; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j163d8vM084644 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.55.6c4601fb (4214) for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <55.6c4601fb.2f36eb52@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:38:58 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question for the list.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! Hi, I'm new to the list, but I thought this link might be useful to you: _Istok Enterprises, Inc. :: Fabrics :: Brocade_ (http://www.istok.net/home.php?cat=676) They sell silk brocade, some of which is period-looking, if pricey. -- Tea Rose, who can't afford brocade but spends a lot of time staring at it and drooling on her keyboard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 03:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j168COkK015966 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:12:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j167csTB008274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:11:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j164UHAw015233; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j164TvjP015035 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19283 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:41:46 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:41:45 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam In-Reply-To: <005901c50bf4$d2e0f0d0$0301010a@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, michaela wrote: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon2.jpg Thanks for posting this. I was writing from memory before, and forgot about the other costume element in this figure that screams "quite a bit later than 1430" to me: The partlet, very clearly rendered and fastening under the arms. I can't recall ever seeing that in anything from the early 15th c., but I know it does appear much later -- 16th c.? Out of my range of expertise, certainly. This, even more than the "princess" seam, is what made me wonder whether the figure was a later addition or restoration. > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/frau/devon1.jpg > This one is a bit more weird as they seem to converge into a middle seam. There are other weirdnesses about this image, too, including her oddly formed left arm. Does make me wonder whether someone had to cobble together a restoration job at a later date while retaining some intact parts. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 05:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16AW5VP027970 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16AV8Zj021705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16AUraJ023275; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16AUpaS023209 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22069 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:42:41 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 04:42:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Barbie? In-Reply-To: <032d01c50b8a$e1f8d2a0$4da810ac@Kate> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Kate Pinner wrote: > This painting struck me as a 15th century Barbie! But seriously, > What's with the skirt of her gown? It looks as if she's pulled it up > and tied a belt/braid to keep it there. My question is, Why? I > understand exposing the breast to feed the baby but why raise her > skirt? Or was this a fashion? This skirt arrangement is not uncommon in art of this period, and appears to be a convenient way to shorten the outer layer for walking or other activity. The art suggests there were a number of ways of pulling up the skirts into a roll or wrap at th waist or hip. I haven't figured them all out myself, and I'm not sure exactly how to do this one, but I haven't tried it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 11:29:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16GTp1A005363 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:29:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16GT4Zj009917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16GSq9k021192; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16GSnY2021158 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 09:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBI0095S0FOFB@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.79] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.144.55]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:28:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:28:36 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/700/Thu Feb 3 16:33:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please forgive the question - In this picture - why are the ladies wearing 2 different headgear? and which is more '' proper'' or is the artist trying to represent 2 different countries?? Katheryne who is starting on her 1530's English outfit and needs 'proper' headgear for a Lower Nobility lady living far far away from the Major Cities (tm) ----- Original Message ----- From: E House And here, on another pair of Princesses (Mary & Margaret Tudor, I think?) http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1500seatrip.jpg > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 12:40:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16HeCGk005947 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:40:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16HdOZj015369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16HdErg065754; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j16HdBLM065677 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6073 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2005 17:39:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I am trying to find a supplier of historically accurate (or close to historically accurate) brocades and other patterned fabrics to offer to costumers and I need your help! Hi, I'm new to the list, but I thought this link might be useful to you: _Istok Enterprises, Inc. :: Fabrics :: Brocade_ (http://www.istok.net/home.php?cat=676) They sell silk brocade, some of which is period-looking, if pricey. -- Tea Rose, who can't afford brocade but spends a lot of time staring at it and drooling on her keyboard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 14:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j16JSXBP007022 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:28:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j16JRrZj021850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16JRgZo093955; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j16JRfHs093933 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cxs4K-0005RC-00; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:27:40 -0800 Message-ID: <42066FA9.9020305@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:27:37 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aten Arts , atenveldt , Historical Costume , TheRenaissanceTailor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Input on costume presentation/class for Estrella War needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, apologies for the cross posts. As some of you know Heather Heroldt and I have been doing the "A Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" around Phoenix the last few months. We are bringing it to Estrella Wars as a class/presentation and would appreciate some input from those of you who might be interested in attending. (It will be on Saturday the 18th, but has disappeared temporarily from the schedule. I will repost when we get that confusion straightened out.) Anyway, the input we would like is this: The past presentations have been to the general public and have included a general desription of what everything is and some little factoids about the history of the time. We were thinking that most people at War would already know that sort of thing and might be interested in something a little different. Orginally we were going to make the handout kind of fancy and charge a fee for it, but since all of the detailed construction information is already on my website we thought perhaps a simple (no fee) handout with resources and frequently asked questions about the gown would be appropriate. What else would a more educated group like SCA'rs and costumers like to see in the presentation and/or handout? Thanks for your input. Saragrace Knauf *A Suitable Gown for Her Majesty: The Complete Drum Farthingale Ensemble* http://www.estrellawar.org/classdesc.html http://www.saragrace.net/3E_1_QEW_Index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 20:53:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j171rcRG011220 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:53:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j171qeZj019625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j171qSwu031053; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j171qLtC030926 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:52:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050207015216.PVUO22470.lakermmtao02.cox.net@VMAAHQ>; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:52:16 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: , "'Historical Costume'" , , "'Terese Scott'" , Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <016701c50cb7$9e10b250$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Size of Things X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found the most interesting site today! http://www.sizes.com/indexes.htm Before somebody says "what does this have to do with costuming, or history, or anything else", well, take a look first. There are lots of great references and tables for sizes of ALL kinds of things! Pax, ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 21:26:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j172QNQP011800 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:26:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j172PiZj022682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:25:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j172Pbhr052023; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j172PZEp051980 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.93] (p29.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.93]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j172NY911780 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:23:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <016701c50cb7$9e10b250$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> References: <016701c50cb7$9e10b250$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7CCEF9CC-78B0-11D9-9F11-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Size of Things Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:32:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Laurie. I know I will be calling or emailing you with questions. First I really need to find a dress form with legs! Ok, I already have a question. If you have an actor that is not the same size as the mannequin, do you have to pad it first or will the fat suit stretch to accommodate a bigger person? On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Linda Rice wrote: > I found the most interesting site today! > > http://www.sizes.com/indexes.htm > > Before somebody says "what does this have to do with costuming, or > history, or anything else", > well, take a look first. There are lots of great references and tables > for sizes of ALL kinds of > things! > > Pax, > ::Linda:: > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 6 21:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j172dl19011897 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j172d7Zj023552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j172d4VV060188; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j172d3tj060169 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:39:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.93] (p29.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.93]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j172b4912790 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:37:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <7CCEF9CC-78B0-11D9-9F11-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> References: <016701c50cb7$9e10b250$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <7CCEF9CC-78B0-11D9-9F11-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FBC296C-78B2-11D9-9F11-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Size of Things Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:45:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry, I clicked on the wrong message to reply to. On Feb 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Thanks, Laurie. I know I will be calling or emailing you with > questions. First I really need to find a dress form with legs! Ok, I > already have a question. If you have an actor that is not the same > size as the mannequin, do you have to pad it first or will the fat > suit stretch to accommodate a bigger person? > > On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Linda Rice wrote: > >> I found the most interesting site today! >> >> http://www.sizes.com/indexes.htm >> >> Before somebody says "what does this have to do with costuming, or >> history, or anything else", >> well, take a look first. There are lots of great references and >> tables for sizes of ALL kinds of >> things! >> >> Pax, >> ::Linda:: >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 02:04:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1774xmg014036 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:04:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1770mZj014618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1770bmp019884; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:00:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao10.cox.net (lakermmtao10.cox.net [68.230.240.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1770Yfk019794 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050207070028.GDTZ15803.lakermmtao10.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:00:28 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Size of Things Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: <017501c50ce2$a98c65e0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <5FBC296C-78B2-11D9-9F11-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1770Yfk019794 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia- Thank goodness for that! You had me going there for a minute! ::Linda:: easily confused at 2 am -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Size of Things Sorry, I clicked on the wrong message to reply to. On Feb 6, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Thanks, Laurie. I know I will be calling or emailing you with > questions. First I really need to find a dress form with legs! Ok, I > already have a question. If you have an actor that is not the same > size as the mannequin, do you have to pad it first or will the fat > suit stretch to accommodate a bigger person? > > On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Linda Rice wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 02:05:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1775gFV014205 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 02:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1774aZj015023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1774aqw022365; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1771B8a020179 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050207070106.98342.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.16.70] by web81401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2005 23:01:06 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050205041513.59794.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The full quote and source for the consctuction of the QEWU "fashion doll" >From : King, Constance Eileen, The Collector’s History of Dolls, New York, St Martins Press c1977 "The construction of the Stockholm doll is interesting, as the figure is built up over a wire armature swathed in unspun rose and yellow silk thread, which creates a small figure rather like the pin men we drew as children. The real hair is braided and decorated with a diadem of pearls, and the features are embroidered on the fabric of the face in what appears to be a humble manner for so costly a doll. The luxurious costume consists of a skirt and bodice, together with two petticoats. One petticoat is of cut and uncut velvet, while the other is made of silk taffeta. The loose sleeves of the costume are embroidered with real pearls and the doll carries an embroidered muff. A simple linen chemise is all that is worn as underwear. This doll is a joy to the student of costume, as it had been left untouched, and gives a precise description of the fashion of the period and the method of wearing it." Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 03:18:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j178ISkG002414 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:18:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j178HcZj019549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j178HTX1065982; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j178HN8h065783 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j178H3lO025915 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:17:08 +1100 Message-ID: <002601c50ced$17ab1e40$2490d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: 1530s headwear (was Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:14:42 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegorical fashons becoming real fashions > Please forgive the question - > > In this picture - why are the ladies wearing 2 different headgear? and which is more '' proper'' or is the artist trying to represent 2 different countries?? > > Katheryne > who is starting on her 1530's English outfit and needs 'proper' headgear for a Lower Nobility lady living far far away from the Major Cities (tm) > > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1500seatrip.jpg > but they are wearing the same headwear one has a crown on top, but apart from that the headgear is the same sort of early French hood In England the 1530s was the transitional period between the English hood http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg and the French hood http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneBoleyn1.jpg in the early 1530s the highly fashionable may be wearing French hoods (Anne Boleyn was a champion of this style but Jane Seymour was more in favour of the English hood) but among less fashionable women the English hood persists into the early 1540s and probably later among those least concerned with fashion. If you're outside England (mainly France, and the low countries) then the French gradually changed shape from the shape you see above to this shape http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/aragon.jpg around 1510 to this style http://www.tudor-portraits.com/CatherineMedicis1.jpg around 1530-35 after that I can't find many non English examples but this page has a history of the French hood in England http://costume.dm.net/headwear/frenchhood.html HTH Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 03:50:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j178oquT008895 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j178oDZj021670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j178o8lU084528; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j178o62Q084468 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from WS003 (unknown [165.248.247.156]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 7540A3F1A for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:48:12 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by WS003 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1107766200776; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:50:00 -1000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:50:00 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <11c901c50240$515eb190$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: References: <11c901c50240$515eb190$0400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] washing machine dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I picked up some thrift store wool blankets today to do some experimental sewing and I'd like to dye them first. I have a compact front loading machine and the blankets are king-sized--when dry, one pretty much completely fills the barrel. For washing it's okay because it mats down and splats around once it gets wet but will that be a problem for dyeing? This is just an experiment so I'll probably use Rit. I can also manually add water to the machine so there's sloshing rather than splatting. Is this going to work or should I use the bathtub? lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 07:20:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17CK22C015533 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:20:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17CJ9Zj016511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17CIYWh099238; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17CHcLo098371 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:17:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792840@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Fashion doll thread-index: AcULjwd3aF0baXh/S9GAtODvLtX2/wBf6Y0w Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This has been an ongoing project of mine for the last three > years. I chose to take a porcelain doll class for the model. > After choosing the Kessner 'Gibson girl" 12-14" for the > doll, Oh! It was a Gibson Girl doll that first got me interested in making prcelain dolls and led me to learn how to do it. > I had an ongoing 'discussion' with the teacher about > the amount of color I preferred for the face. Even after I > brought QEWU to class, she still tried to persuade me to do > the head in the traditional color fashion. I won, at least > to my satisfaction. On to the clothing. I found out by > accident that the Hunnisett patterns for corsets, bodices, > and sleeves were exactly the scale for the body of the doll. > (Mine has a cloth body that was tailored by the teacher of a > friend several years ago). It is very shapely. I stuffed it > with 50 year-old sawdust that had been 'oven-cured. I have > completed one ensemble that is Ren. influenced and have been > collecting fabric and beads and jewelry for an honest > portrait attempt. Kathleen, I'd love to see her, do you have any pictures? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 07:26:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17CQ7E5015554 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17CPaZj017076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:25:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17CPY0t004302; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17CPVGR004269 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:23:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792841@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Princess Seam thread-index: AcULtr9IeJ1LmUrORo6wsfz8pZqP7ABWJuFA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I've always been very troubled by that image. You aren't the only one - it just doesn't look ... *right* It bugs me. Another (only slightly related thing) that also bugs me is that the reproductions of the tapestries that they sell are done in the colours they have faded to now instead of the full vibrance of the original colours. I'd save up for one as part of our tent furnishings for late 14th/early 15th century events if it ween't for the faded look.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 08:10:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17DAbnv015742 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17DA0Zj019053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17D9sx8029437; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17D9rup029337 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 06:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A898494F005C; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:09:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Feb 05 13:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c50d16$708c1f40$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792840@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:10:45 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not yet, but I am working on that! One other point on the size, I have tried to scale the body not only to the ideal measurement based on the head size (that 1-8 scale) but on the (supposed height of Elizabeth, as presumed by the "effigy corset". That information was supplied by someone on h-costume. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll > > > This has been an ongoing project of mine for the last three > > years. I chose to take a porcelain doll class for the model. > > After choosing the Kessner 'Gibson girl" 12-14" for the > > doll, > > Oh! It was a Gibson Girl doll that first got me interested in making > prcelain dolls and led me to learn how to do it. > > > I had an ongoing 'discussion' with the teacher about > > the amount of color I preferred for the face. Even after I > > brought QEWU to class, she still tried to persuade me to do > > the head in the traditional color fashion. I won, at least > > to my satisfaction. On to the clothing. I found out by > > accident that the Hunnisett patterns for corsets, bodices, > > and sleeves were exactly the scale for the body of the doll. > > (Mine has a cloth body that was tailored by the teacher of a > > friend several years ago). It is very shapely. I stuffed it > > with 50 year-old sawdust that had been 'oven-cured. I have > > completed one ensemble that is Ren. influenced and have been > > collecting fabric and beads and jewelry for an honest > > portrait attempt. > > Kathleen, I'd love to see her, do you have any pictures? > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 11:41:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17GfIMd016964 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:41:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17GeIZj006206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17Gdqt4083708; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17GdlZK083592 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:39:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02728 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:51:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:51:42 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Who's going to this? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Costume Society of America Symposium 25-28 May 2005 General info: http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/natsym.htm Conference schedule/brochure here: http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/natsym2005downloads/CSAsymshedbro05.pdf I won't be there; May is an awful month for me, and most CSA stuff is too late in period for my interest. But there's a lot of good stuff on the program for those of you who do 18th-20th centuries, and a few papers/sessions cover pre-18th c. I saw an Italian Renaissance paper, and I think something Greek or Roman. I also noticed a session on "Dressing Queen Elizabeth" that will include a reconstruction by an organization that specializes in heritage sites, and I'd be keenly interested in a report on that. Philly is a good city for costume and fabric stuff, and there will apparently be a lot of museum and shopping trips arranged. So, who here is going, and who will report back to us? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 12:29:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17HTGfF017186 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17HSBZj011977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17HS2B0029553; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41806.mail.yahoo.com (web41806.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17HRwIm029402 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:27:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12446 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 17:27:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello good people: i figured many heads could help me w/ this one problem I have a 13 yr old daughter I need to make a Bustle gown for by Saturday. Nothing too complicated, I planned on using felt for the bodice top base covering that with satiny Lining material to make it look fancy, making a simple gathered into a waist band under skirt(yes out if lining material,lined with cotton-thats a switch,huh,lining the lining?). The thing that has me scritching my head is the back bustle... I figured I can do the front "drape " no problem- its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing I have to figure out.... She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. I don't have the time really to make the dress and a boned bustle cage.... I have in the stash to make this, 1 1 1/2 yds felt 1 1/2 yrd green (the top) lining material, 30 ( Ok i got carried away, but it was only $1 a yd) old gold colored lining material for the bustle and drape, 5 yd of netting, about 2-3 yds of Roman shade ring twill tape... and various trim. I need help on designing that back bustle..... She's about 5'1, mostly legs,typical early teen stick figure, 22-23" waist, slightly bigger top. Oh ,and she's allergic to nylon so i have to keep the netting away from the legs. It's going to be a 1 or 2 time wear outfit( hence the lining material and felt) so Historical accuracy isn't All that important, just "the look" HElp Help help.!!! Thanks, Melody __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 12:54:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17Hs8T2017349 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:54:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17HrFZj014749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17Hr7hq053779; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17HqnNP053438 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 17:52:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174921.015fe7c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:54:02 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ In-Reply-To: <20050207172752.12444.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:27 07/02/2005 -0800, you wrote: > Hello good people: > i figured many heads could help me w/ this one >problem > I have a 13 yr old daughter I need to make a Bustle >gown for by Saturday. > Nothing too complicated, I planned on using felt for >the bodice top base covering that with satiny Lining >material to make it look fancy, making a simple >gathered >into a waist band under skirt(yes out if lining >material,lined with cotton-thats a switch,huh,lining >the lining?). >The thing that has me scritching my head is the back >bustle... I figured I can do the front "drape " no >problem- its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing >I have to figure out.... You could do it with a width of fabric or 60" wide, depending on how big you want it, and use what we call Rufflette tape in England. You use it at the top of a curtain and pull up the draw strings to gather the curtain. I used lightweight, to make net or lightweight curtains, to make this skirt. It is 60" wide and about one and a half to two times longer than the finished length. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p8508867.html For the bustle, I once tied a pillow on my backside for an emergency bustle and it worked very well. Otherwise there is a cheap, quick and easy diagram in Hunnisett, 1800-1909. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 13:14:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17IEddC017446 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17I8vZj016444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17I8rgg068804; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17I8opV068747 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.62]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050207180848.LFTS1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c50d3e$07f29900$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174921.015fe7c0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:54:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > >The thing that has me scritching my head is the back > >bustle... I figured I can do the front "drape " no > >problem- its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > >I have to figure out.... How about something like this out of a stiff fabric or canvas: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/images/00-pattern-48.gif Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 13:18:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17II7oa017469 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:18:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17IHcZj017517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IHU6D077405; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IFrUL075672 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12a.566f9bc6 (4529) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.566f9bc6.2f390a48@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:15:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's going to this? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:52:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: won't be there; May is an awful month for me, and most CSA stuff is too late in period for my interest. But there's a lot of good stuff on the program for those of you who do 18th-20th centuries, and a few papers/sessions cover pre-18th c. I saw an Italian Renaissance paper, and I think something Greek or Roman. I also noticed a session on "Dressing Queen Elizabeth" that will include a reconstruction by an organization that specializes in heritage sites, and I'd be keenly interested in a report on that I'm on the organizing committee. A new feature this year is the Living History Showcase, to be Thursday evening. Participants are welcome to model creations of any time period. This won't be juried but will be open to whoever is interested (as long as you register for the symposium). This will be a great way to showcase your handiwork and get feedback from other costume enthusiasts. There is also an "armchair tour" session that will feature both exhibits and theatrical productions. I don't think these participants are finalized yet, but this gives you a way to "see" that exhibit you just couldn't get to. So yes, please, come one, come all, to Philadephia. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 13:51:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17IpPwv017655 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:51:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17IoaZj021285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IoM7l009248; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IniTk008667 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3e6418d5 (3948) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3e6418d5.2f391234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:49:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't see how anything you are doing is time saving. If you have time for all that, you have time to do it "right". If you're gonna line the bodice, line it with a sturdy cotton. Felt is a pain in the ass and not a good choice. Why felt? Do you think it's going to be the same as boning? NOT! Just bone the cotton lined bodice. You can sew Rigelline or plastic boning right to the flat lining down the center of each bodice piece before you put the top fabric over it, Or you can sew the boning to the seam allowance after the bodice is together...by putting all but the right side of the seam allowance to the left and sewing one side of the boning [in a casing], then taking out from under the machine, turning it around and sewing the remaining side by putting everything but it to the left. The front gore of the underskirt should be shaped...trapazoidal..so it fits a little to the hips and flares at the hem. The back gores can be straight and gathered to death onto the waistband. The back bustle drape can be done with a single training width of fabric gathered at the waist, Then draped as you please. A good way is to pick points on it to pull up from the inside with tapes. Sew [by machine if you want] a loop of tape [ you can use a tiny safety pin if you want, It's on the inside, and when looped up, any pin or stitching on the outside is hidden under the poof.] to the inside of the back drape and sew a tape to the inside waistband to go thru the loop and tie it up. It's easy....and fun. Have the wearer get in the act on this. Later you can untie it all, let it down and press the back so it will be fresh when looped back up. The back bustle is easy to make. Use a coat hanger as hoops if you have to. Otherwise it's just trapezoidal piece with hoops a regular intervals the has ties at each end of each hoop that keep them bowed when tided. or make and stuff a big pad. If you're going thru this much trouble, do it right so it can be used again. Why spend so much time and effort of schlock? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 13:58:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17IwT8C017678 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17IvOZj022322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IvEwB016100; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17IvC7R016034 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09644; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:57:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" , Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:57:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12a.566f9bc6.2f390a48@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Project Runway X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone on the list watching cable's "Project Runway" on Bravo? CNN did a short piece on the series Sunday and three of the designer's works: Jay's, Wendy's and Kara's can be seen at cnn.com All four designers from last week's show: Jay, Wendy, Kara, and Austin got to present at New York's Fall Fashion Show this last Friday, but only three will be shown on the "Project Runway" show--the three finalists. Four got to present at the show on Friday, so as not to give away who is eliminated on this week's epidsode that airs Wednesday night. Frankly, I think the entire series was kind of picked so the designer with the most "big name" design experience: Kara Saun, will end up winning. She is the most professional of the twelve original contestant designers and has already dressed some big names like Queen Latifa. Actually I think all the designers will or have get noticed by someone and will have someone with $$ support them in some way. Wendy will go back to designing wedding dresses, I bet while Austin and Jay will get some backing and encouragement to become designers of their own labels or at least freelance. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 14:17:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17JHf6E017811 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17JH8Zj024945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:17:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JH4cC035245; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JCHB1030485 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA07006 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:12:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:12:10 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <4207bd8a.257a.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.81 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j17JCHB1030485 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Alex. I hope to really go through all of my messages in a day or so and ask or make comments. But right now my mind is on my "oldest kid" (Audrey the cat); she's not well. Roscelin >The full quote and source for the consctuction of the QEWU "fashion >doll" > >>From : King, Constance Eileen, The Collector’s History of Dolls, New >York, St Martins Press c1977 > >"The construction of the Stockholm doll is interesting, as the figure >is built up over a wire armature swathed in unspun rose and yellow silk >thread, which creates a small figure rather like the pin men we drew as >children. The real hair is braided and decorated with a diadem of >pearls, and the features are embroidered on the fabric of the face in >what appears to be a humble manner for so costly a doll. The luxurious >costume consists of a skirt and bodice, together with two petticoats. >One petticoat is of cut and uncut velvet, while the other is made of >silk taffeta. The loose sleeves of the costume are embroidered with >real pearls and the doll carries an embroidered muff. A simple linen >chemise is all that is worn as underwear. This doll is a joy to the >student of costume, as it had been left untouched, and gives a precise >description of the fashion of the period and the method of wearing it." > > > >Alex >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 14:23:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17JNpeD017849 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17JMuZj025618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JMniw040629; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JG4gm034048 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FBE425D6 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4207BE51.6070305@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:15:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] washing machine dyeing References: <11c901c50240$515eb190$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO lisa wrote: > > This is just an experiment so I'll probably use Rit. I can also > manually add water to the machine so there's sloshing rather than > splatting. Is this going to work or should I use the bathtub? > The more water you have the better exposure to the dyebath you'll get. You can help prevent blotchiness with constant agitation, but you may need to reset your washer cycle several times to get that. I suggest using two or three times the recommended amount of RIT in order to get good color, especially with the darker tones. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 14:29:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17JTCeW017888 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17JSTZj026436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JSMiP045715; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JMwtv040696 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8E4425D6 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4207BFFC.9040904@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:22:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ References: <20050207172752.12444.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050207172752.12444.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melody Watts wrote: > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > I have to figure out.... > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > I don't have the time really to make the dress and a > boned bustle cage.... Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you can. With her wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can drape it and pin it however you like and then sew it down. I found that big half circles of straight stiching will gather up into fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want to make net pillows to help them stand out. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 14:30:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17JUkEs017901 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17JTVZj026517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:29:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JTOia046619; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:29:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17JPGdZ042595 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-87-142.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.87.142]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17JPFvF027157 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:25:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050207110707.02576438@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:25:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll In-Reply-To: <002301c50d16$708c1f40$745183d1@rmitchellras> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792840@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Not yet, but I am working on that! One other point on the size, I have tried >to scale the body not only to the ideal measurement based on the head size >(that 1-8 scale) but on the (supposed height of Elizabeth, as presumed by >the "effigy corset". That information was supplied by someone on h-costume. Make the body thinner undressed than it will be when dressed because the doll scales down to 1:8 but the fabric remains at 1:1 . Barbie looks pretty scrawny undressed, but put her in a couple of layers of cloth and she bulks up to 'normal' fashion model size. In scale, Barbie's shoes are as thick as her thumb, so her feet need to be proportionally way too small to fit inside them, making her shoes be in correct proportion to her head even if her feet aren't. In scale her stockings are at least 1/4" thick. In scale her underwear waist elastic, and her pantyhose waist elastic, are each about an inch thick. Etc. 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I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing t! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individula pillows inside the "poof" wil handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing it! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individual pillows inside the "poof" will handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing it! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individual pillows inside the "poof" will handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 15:14:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17KE1dI018139 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17KDWZj002142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17KDVoi091596; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41805.mail.yahoo.com (web41805.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17KCI9k090252 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76599 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 20:12:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5IVDa5haaPaZP0srzlJPoptMF7OZe7OzQTXj8L+1RivQyK0XS5xjxX9EN+4PecRdihpFrcXqOeff3Q4Or+20Qhjq+6TUWdfC8ym9rB7L4aUDYkj+yPUpGJPnU9j0DjN4EygdhB1XkVfbM/Ip7bH2RBaWJsz7aD6PQzZyU+UvK08= ; Message-ID: <20050207201212.76597.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:12:12 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style.......Thanks Dawn, I see the light! ; > To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4207BFFC.9040904@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ** Reply** Thank you! I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing it! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individual pillows inside the "poof" will handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 15:14:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17KE2rU018142 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17KDMZj002113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17KDMOb091454; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41829.mail.yahoo.com (web41829.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17KBr3Z089847 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16381 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 20:11:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20050207201148.16379.qmail@web41829.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41829.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:11:48 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style.......Thanks Dawn, I see the light! ; > To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4207BFFC.9040904@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ** Reply** Thank you! I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing it! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individual pillows inside the "poof" will handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 15:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17KEdK5018146 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17KDGZj002086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17KDDDi091269; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17KBWlI089452 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:11:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30919 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 20:11:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050207201127.30917.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:11:27 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style.......Thanks Dawn, I see the light! ; > To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4207BFFC.9040904@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ** Reply** Thank you! I _knew_ someone had an original idea on what I had in mind, I just couldn't wrap my brain around a simple way of doing it! The gathered half circle sewing trick will probably work out. I 'm gonna try it. The individual pillows inside the "poof" will handle the net problem too. You're a gem! Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Melody Watts wrote: > > > its that back bustle -waterfall- poofy -thing > > I have to figure out.... > > She wants only a couple or 3 "poofs" on the rear. > > I don't have the time really to make the dress > and a > > boned bustle cage.... > > Put as much fabric into the back of the skirt as you > can. With her > wearing it and a big handful of safety pins you can > drape it and pin it > however you like and then sew it down. > > I found that big half circles of straight stiching > will gather up into > fat round poofs on the back of a skirt. You may want > to make net pillows > to help them stand out. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 15:15:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17KF6Sg018150 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:15:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17KDja7002197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17K1PNR078683; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j17Jw6pY075265 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28231 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2005 19:58:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050207195801.28229.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:58:01 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ Thanks...I think? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7b.3e6418d5.2f391234@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ***Reply to this message are starred*** --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > I don't see how anything you are doing is time > saving. If you have time for > all that, you have time to do it "right". *** Guess you didn't see the notation "kamakazi" as in "1 time only" ...she's only wearing this 1 night,about3 hrs, nd I expect will out grow it in 6 months. >If you're gonna line the bodice, line > it with a sturdy cotton. Felt is a pain in the ass > and not a good choice. Why > felt? *** because felt is a Craft material, I was not planning on "Heirloom sewing" just a costume ..in the "this is a costume " sense. Felt does not ravel at the edges ,does not require seam finishes, and if I run out of time( as my 5 day sewing window proclaimed, I do not have to cover the felt,but can use it as a stand alone bodice. > Do you think it's going to be the same as > boning? NOT! ***hmmm I don't remember YELLING at anyone? I am not using it as boning, I have made Polish (as in Poland, the country,in case you read that as polish) vest for 4 girls scouts to use at 2 day Heritage events that are still wearable ,show no stress, and have not lost there crispness. Ergo ,the felt. > Just bone the > cotton lined bodice. You can sew Rigelline or > plastic boning right to the flat > lining down the center of each bodice piece before > you put the top fabric over > it, Or you can sew the boning to the seam allowance > after the bodice is > together...by putting all but the right side of the > seam allowance to the left and > sewing one side of the boning [in a casing], then > taking out from under the > machine, turning it around and sewing the remaining > side by putting everything > but it to the left. *** I am plannig on a fan shaped poly-boning on the front,just for detail.*** > The front gore of the underskirt should be > shaped...trapazoidal..so it fits a > little to the hips and flares at the hem. The back > gores can be straight and > gathered to death onto the waistband. ** got that covered** > The back bustle drape can be done with a single > training width of fabric > gathered at the waist, Then draped as you please. A > good way is to pick points on > it to pull up from the inside with tapes. Sew [by > machine if you want] a loop > of tape [ you can use a tiny safety pin if you want, > It's on the inside, and > when looped up, any pin or stitching on the outside > is hidden under the poof.] > to the inside of the back drape and sew a tape to > the inside waistband to go > thru the loop and tie it up. It's easy....and fun. > Have the wearer get in the > act on this. Later you can untie it all, let it down > and press the back so it > will be fresh when looped back up. *** You mean a "wash" bustle and front drape.The nice lady at Truly Victorian Patterns has that subject covered.*** > > The back bustle is easy to make. Use a coat hanger > as hoops if you have to. ***Wire coat hangers..."NO wire coat hangers" - Joan Crawford -end quote. > Otherwise it's just trapezoidal piece with hoops a > regular intervals the has > ties at each end of each hoop that keep them bowed > when tided. or make and stuff > a big pad. > If you're going thru this much trouble, do it right > so it can be used again. ***I re enterate,,,1 time costume. growing 13 yr old. 3 hr wear time..." > Why spend so much time and effort of schlock? ****I never consider ANY piece of costuming,even kids wrapping bed sheets around themselves, as "Schlock" just creatitivity. I was pretty sure that's what the whole scope of this board is about ...*** **Thanks to all the other nice people who answered my question, and their kind words. " > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 15:55:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17Ktkw2018499 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17Kt0Zj006938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17Kst60032425; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17Ksp12032250 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:54:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.da.1edf535d (4394) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:42 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:54:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style........ Thanks...I think? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2005 3:06:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: > ****I never consider ANY piece of costuming,even > kids wrapping bed sheets around themselves, as > "Schlock" just creatitivity. Well, then wrap a sheet creatively around her and call it Aesthetic Dress. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 17:04:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17M4E5d019054 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:04:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17M34Zj015203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17M2H9g099199; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17M2DK5099077 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:02:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:02:00 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:01:28 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO but what is the link please. theresa >>> gusgus@lightspeed.ca 2/3/2005 6:12:30 PM >>> It's a site devoted to research on the Elizabethan era, mostly costuming, but other stuff as well. Hope that helps, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 18:42:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j17NgBUt019644 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:42:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j17NfeZj026244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17NfW7B089316; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dslgwmail.aebc.com [209.53.197.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j17NfRSm089252 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Received: from dslgw2.aebc.com [209.53.208.35] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB9E46160114; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:37:02 -0800 Received: from GUSGUS.lightspeed.ca ([10.100.34.151]) by dslgw2.aebc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j17NZWcL086805 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gusgus@lightspeed.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20050207153808.02869df0@pop.lightspeed.ca> X-Sender: gusgus@pop.lightspeed.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:40:03 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Dan and Heather Stecher Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Geek In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-281A4BD2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:01 PM 2/7/2005, you wrote: >but what is the link please. theresa > Sorry about that, the URL is http://elizabethangeek.com/ Hope this helps, Heather -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 19:28:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j180SEfv019876 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:28:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j180RLZj002682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j180QauZ028009; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j180Q5mM027532 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-53-049.jps.net ([209.165.53.49] helo=[209.165.45.113]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CyJCe-00005j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:26:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:53:29 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's going to this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:51 AM -0600 2/7/05, Robin Netherton wrote: >Costume Society of America Symposium >25-28 May 2005 >... I also noticed a session on "Dressing >Queen Elizabeth" that will include a reconstruction by an organization >that specializes in heritage sites, and I'd be keenly interested in a >report on that. Ann -- what's the name of the group that's doing the Queen Elizabeth session? I'm curious, because I know who some of them are. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 20:53:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j181rZim020368 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j181qQZj011367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j181oUeC086959; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:50:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j181mkwx085799 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.104.5a3bb31d (4222) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:48:37 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <104.5a3bb31d.2f397473@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:48:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's going to this? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:29:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, claning@igc.org writes: Ann -- what's the name of the group that's doing the Queen Elizabeth session? I'm curious, because I know who some of them are. It is Jane Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson, and Ninya Mikhaila of JMD & Co. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 21:04:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1824prX020475 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1823FZj012605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18238Yd096724; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1821nOO095813 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so763911rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:01:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qGr1Do/s0QzaCAa//mneRZ1Y14qs9fMGEb4c4h6XNYx+RVNilY2Q1CEylXVx18RfvhzK/lMFCj2VhZK80YeHl8u/QkaPaw3XHYqHAfFV+VVBGLr+I8oEFW847pN2aUtDMm4f4Kc17YcGhw50xQyM7wahqX1BrJfJBXUIZvyRgMk= Received: by 10.38.207.67 with SMTP id e67mr89546rng; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905020718017d6486e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:01:48 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502071903.j17J3VUZ022071@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502071903.j17J3VUZ022071@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Who's going to this? (CSA Symposium) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:52:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > won't be there; May is an awful month for me, and most CSA stuff is too > late in period for my interest. But there's a lot of good stuff on the > program for those of you who do 18th-20th centuries, and a few > papers/sessions cover pre-18th c. I saw an Italian Renaissance paper, and > I think something Greek or Roman. I also noticed a session on "Dressing > Queen Elizabeth" that will include a reconstruction by an organization > that specializes in heritage sites, and I'd be keenly interested in a > report on that > I had not planned to, but I aldo didn't know how nearby it was (I'm in DC). Too early for me to know what my finances will be like, but I'm keeping it in mind. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 21:07:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1827adI020496 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1826pZj012992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1826oie099548; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1821nbN095815 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so787604rne for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:01:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qGr1Do/s0QzaCAa//mneRZ1Y14qs9fMGEb4c4h6XNYx+RVNilY2Q1CEylXVx18RfvhzK/lMFCj2VhZK80YeHl8u/QkaPaw3XHYqHAfFV+VVBGLr+I8oEFW847pN2aUtDMm4f4Kc17YcGhw50xQyM7wahqX1BrJfJBXUIZvyRgMk= Received: by 10.38.207.67 with SMTP id e67mr89546rng; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905020718017d6486e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:01:48 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502071903.j17J3VUZ022071@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502071903.j17J3VUZ022071@net.indra.com> X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Who's going to this? (CSA Symposium) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:52:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > won't be there; May is an awful month for me, and most CSA stuff is too > late in period for my interest. But there's a lot of good stuff on the > program for those of you who do 18th-20th centuries, and a few > papers/sessions cover pre-18th c. I saw an Italian Renaissance paper, and > I think something Greek or Roman. I also noticed a session on "Dressing > Queen Elizabeth" that will include a reconstruction by an organization > that specializes in heritage sites, and I'd be keenly interested in a > report on that > I had not planned to, but I aldo didn't know how nearby it was (I'm in DC). Too early for me to know what my finances will be like, but I'm keeping it in mind. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 21:07:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1827WIi020492 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:07:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1826wZj013007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1826vl1099659; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1824mB6097768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j183FAQj014388 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:15:14 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's going to this? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:27:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502072127.07929.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 07 February 2005 11:51 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > Costume Society of America Symposium > 25-28 May 2005 > > General info: > http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/natsym.htm > > Conference schedule/brochure here: > http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/natsym2005downloads/CSAsymshedbro05.pd >f > > I won't be there; May is an awful month for me, and most CSA stuff is too > late in period for my interest. Nor will I; there's a big SF convention in Baltimore that my husband will want to go to, and in any event I've come to distrust CSA. Also, my interest is in Early Period Northern Europe. Still, Robin, thanks for posting this. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 21:22:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j182Mvss020552 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:22:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j182AqZj013346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:10:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j182AnWY002754; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j182AlVb002718 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07262 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:22:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:22:43 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who's going to this? In-Reply-To: <104.5a3bb31d.2f397473@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:29:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > claning@igc.org writes: > > > Ann -- what's the name of the group that's doing the Queen Elizabeth > > session? I'm curious, because I know who some of them are. > > It is Jane Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson, and Ninya Mikhaila of JMD > & Co. Here's their site: http://www.jmdandco.com/ And here's a brochure about their programs that includes at least one photo of "Dressing the Queen" (which in fact answered my own pressing question -- what kind of farthingale). http://www.jmdandco.com/costumeco3.pdf Still wish I could see it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 7 23:26:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j184QuAw021160 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:26:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j184PsZj027880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j184Pj64097163; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j184PdQX096938 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.26.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.26] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j184P9xw026325 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:25:25 +1100 Message-ID: <014801c50d95$e27c1cc0$1a92d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:34:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The split skirt brings up topics too long for me to post about here & now, > but to summarize, the 'Tudor'* style seems to be a combination of what was > going on in Spain, and what was already in place in Northern Europe; the > split skirt is one element that was already going on in NE before the > foundational elements came in from Spain. In other words, I'm not calling it > a straight line, but rather saying that this specific element was already in > place in NE before the new style fully developed. Though Spain certainly > had a lot of impact on that fashion and the ways it was constructed, I > really think Spain's impact has been overstated. The gowns being worn just > before the new fashion are almost the same as the new fashion; they're just > built over a different support/underpinning system. While the overall style was very similar the skirt was the major area of change under the influence of Spanish fashions. I have yet to find an example of the 'Tudor' style gown that has a split skirt without a farthingale, if you can find an example I'd be really interested (as it would mean I could legitimately leave my farthingale behind sometimes) but so far every example I've seen without a farthingale has a closed front skirt. Admittedly most of my research has been concentrated in England and I haven't found a lot of French (or other countries in the area) examples so perhaps this is a continental fashion. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 00:36:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j185aKH3021389 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j185Z1Zj004989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j185Y4Ie045187; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (demon.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j185WuXt044169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (localhost.comcen.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j185Whi8022871 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:32:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id j185WgNU022869 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:32:42 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: demon.comcen.com.au: nobody set sender to karinne@spin.net.au using -f Received: from genoa.ucc.usyd.edu.au (genoa.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.228.114]) by webmail.spin.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:32:42 +1100 Message-ID: <1107840762.42084efac3da1@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:32:42 +1100 From: karinne@spin.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". References: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub> <014801c50d95$e27c1cc0$1a92d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <014801c50d95$e27c1cc0$1a92d6cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 129.78.228.114 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's an image (Painting?) of Henry VIII going to the field of gold which has a scene of everyday people outside calais on the right hand side. The figures are small however you can see that the women who are walking have split skirts and no farthingale. There are a couple of other images which also show this. I can get names and citations for you, however I don't have the book at work so you'll have to wait. cheers, Karinne Quoting Elizabeth Walpole : > Admittedly most of my research has been concentrated in England and I > haven't found a lot of French (or other countries in the area) examples so > perhaps this is a continental fashion. > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 00:50:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j185ogRN021483 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:50:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j185ntZj006467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j185nBGs055753; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j185iNYS052537 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:44:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020805441701100cguohe>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: <00d601c50da1$3e03a850$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub><014801c50d95$e27c1cc0$1a92d6cb@ewalpole> <1107840762.42084efac3da1@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:44:22 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is anyone watching the Wives of Henry VIII series on PBS on Thursday nights? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 01:26:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j186Qihj021612 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j186Q7Zj009939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j186Q20Q079331; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j186PUpK078945 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:25:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBASY3TAJ7E8BS for (sender ); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:24:49 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqXvLTdv8o568/C2rYcCQyQ= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKAZA3G9; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:24:24 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:09:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Message-ID: <20050207.222330.772.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3070467121 X-MAIL-INFO: 20a58141351d88a5ed35a93db9992881693dad281cf5ed28a8a905dd25dd95c8c9d861dd88c5881848b579c9684815612dc9c5158d1cc11509a1f10df90d8ce5fc25780db1bdb1acd51931fc65d52978bcfcbd299995a9d9a9d898f8d898c84898c848991db885cda531913135ad5c751131f561a19c259c0d55cc0d55d57855d5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is that the one narrated by a revisionist historian? David -Something, I think. Saw it. It's dreadful, IMHO--judge for yourself. Arlys On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:44:22 -0500 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > Is anyone watching the Wives of Henry VIII series on PBS on Thursday > nights? > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 01:40:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j186egAQ021679 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j186dpZj010929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:39:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j186djEK087938; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j186dhsB087846 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020806393801200g3h8re>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:39:38 +0000 Message-ID: <00f201c50da8$f8baddb0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050207.222330.772.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:39:42 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't recall who the narrator is. I did a search on PBS' website and can't find it listed. They keep advertising it on our station. I saw the first episode last Thursday. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 02:05:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1875bxi022727 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1872rZj013070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1872o1Z003038; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1872kUl002950 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:02:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.e0.cb3d057 (4362) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:02:36 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:02:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5004 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw the series, and IMO, it was dreadful. Who knew Henry had a lower class British accent? And the costumes were cheesy. What a waste. Rent the Keith Michell version. It's so much better. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 02:32:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j187WonD028944 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j187VJZj015608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:31:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j187VDN1020485; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j187V9jT020400 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020807310401100cduife>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:31:04 +0000 Message-ID: <00f601c50db0$281076e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Project Runway Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:31:08 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cindy... you opened a can of worms for me. I have been watching the show and taping it for a friend without cable. After being at a university taking classes with a lot of fashion design students, I can attest that several of the show's contestants act just like the fashion design students at school. It is like being surrounded by drama queens. Wendy and Jay act just like the majority of the students that I took classes with... very secretive and plotting their next move. Fashion design students do not like to work together and are generally scared someone is going to steal their ideas. After watching Style TV so much, you can see the big fashion designers ditch the other designers too. Sometimes it can be as bad as name calling. I lose all respect for a big designer when I see him/her do this... so unprofessional. On the other hand, I also took classes in the theater dept. with the costume design students who were very friendly, helped, and shared with one another frequently. They accepted critiques well... fashion design students took it as an insult and not as a tool for learning. When the professor from Parson's gave a critique to the contestants, and the contestants snub him or argue, I feel like saying, "Do you really know who you are talking to?" This guy can make or break their careers! I don't think it was immaturity or lack of experience... the 20 y.o. through 40 y.o. contestants did this. On the show, Kara and Austin had experience designing costumes before, especially Kara. Which can explain Kara being so laid back. Austin is a big drama queen. I have liked all of his designs except the postal worker uniform and the rock star's. The costume designer in Austin came out for the rock star... but he didn't listen to his client. Big NO,NO. I think Wendy started out good, but I think the pressure of the contest has got to her. I really expected a lot out of Wendy with the bridal design. She didn't impress me. Jay really gets on my nerves (since the first show)... just waiting for him to fail. I would have liked to have seen a show with students fresh out of college with very little professional experience. Also, I would have liked to have seen all the contestants as students from BIG fashion schools compete... like some of the Parson's students, since they turn out so many big name designers. OR a show with costume designers competiting for an internship with some Broadway or London theater designers, like Julie Taymor, or film designers. How did the lawyer qualify to be a contestant? Or the lady from England who hated to sew? Seems like disliking sewing would have come out in the interview session. Although I have met third year fashion design student who knew how to draw but didn't know how to sew. For costume design student sewing is taught generally in the first year. If you missed the series, it is repeated throughout the week on Bravo! Especially on weekends. New episodes come on Wed. nights. You can also see what the contestants' designs at http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway/ I hope CNN didn't say who won. If so, a thumbs down for them doing so. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 03:25:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j188PlEg012732 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j188P5Zj021249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j188OwAE055812; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j188OuAI055733 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:24:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020808245001100ccl1ce>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: <010601c50db7$abaec0e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:24:55 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, I will check it and see if our library has it. So how did you like the Nova show that was on Saturday night? It was about the finds in the waters off of Alexandra, Egypt. They were looking for remains of a lighthouse that went into the waters after an earthquake 600 years ago and found a lot of ancient Egyptian artifacts. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 04:41:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j189fpwg031095 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:41:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j189emZj006258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j189edBf001698; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j189eTUU001536 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:40:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] washing machine dyeing To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792846@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] washing machine dyeing thread-index: AcUNQqUceja2XUt2TbKEtNFH7TuaYAAf0r4Q Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I picked up some thrift store wool blankets today to do some > experimental sewing and I'd like to dye them first. I have a compact > front loading machine and the blankets are king-sized--when > dry, one pretty much completely fills the barrel. For > washing it's okay because it > mats down and splats around once it gets wet but will that be > a problem > for dyeing? > > This is just an experiment so I'll probably use Rit. I > can also > manually add water to the machine so there's sloshing rather than > splatting. Is this going to work or should I use the bathtub? I do virtually all my dying that way in a front loading machine. Just be sure the fabric is thoroughly wet through beofre you put it in with the dye, otherwise you may get uneven dying along the creases. tghat form as it scrunches down in the machine. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 04:54:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j189shQJ003526 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:54:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j189rxZj009074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:53:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j189ruVS009729; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j189rVps009478 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:53:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style....... To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792847@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bustle Gown - Kamakazi style....... thread-index: AcUNcIEu3JUMnN9XTva5L1zWA/x52gAU24pQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you get a chacne - get pictures so we can see how it comes out!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 05:44:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18AiXwE015838 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18AhmZj014088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18AhcfG038818; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18AhaYm038716 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 03:43:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050208104330016004f40re>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:43:30 +0000 Message-ID: <017a01c50dcb$0ac2fc00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:43:35 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j18AiXwE015838 Status: RO Lets see who can figure out this mystery... I was reading a June 7, 1845 edition of the Illustrated London News. Lets see who can figure out what painting was purchased. When you find out which painting, try to find a URL to an image. Yes, I am behind in reading my morning newspapers! Like 159 years behind! "The London Gallery: A new Holbein, a portrait, has lately been added to the gallery. It was formerly the property of Mr. Rochard, and has been purchased by the trustees for the sum of 800 pounds. (sorry I don't have the symbol on my keyboard) It is apparently the portrait of a professor of anatomy, from the furred doctor's gown and the skull on which the hand rests. As there is a coat of arms in the left-hand corner of the canvas the identity of the portrait may be traced." Okay, there are lots of clues... good luck with the mystery. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 06:25:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18BPsWU023230 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:25:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18BPDZj017165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:25:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18BP9PA062373; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18BP7FF062260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30594D8005 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 12317-04 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C017D830A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:12:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ce501c50dd0$b07feea0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050207070106.98342.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:24:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll The luxurious > costume consists of a skirt and bodice, together with two petticoats. > Skirt and bodice? As in two separate pieces? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 07:49:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18Cn62F023620 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:49:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18CkuZj023449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18CkVHN024811; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18CkRx1024674 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 05:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4994BC40086; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:46:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.107 ([209.131.81.107] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 8 Feb 05 12:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c50ddc$556b78c0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010601c50db7$abaec0e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:47:19 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It kept my attention. But then, I am reading Colleen McCullough's "The October Horse" (a novel of Caesar and Cleopatra). I find her descriptive writhing very keen. Her attention to 'costume' adds much to her believable characters. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII > Okay, I will check it and see if our library has it. > > So how did you like the Nova show that was on Saturday night? It was about > the finds in the waters off of Alexandra, Egypt. They were looking for > remains of a lighthouse that went into the waters after an earthquake 600 > years ago and found a lot of ancient Egyptian artifacts. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 08:10:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18DAUK5023675 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:10:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18D9sZj025218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18D9n5j038110; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:09:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18D9k8S038077 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:09:34 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:08:52 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to be ignorant of abbreviations but what does IMO mean? theresa >>> Appin1@aol.com 2/8/2005 1:02:36 AM >>> I saw the series, and IMO, it was dreadful. Who knew Henry had a lower class British accent? And the costumes were cheesy. What a waste. Rent the Keith Michell version. It's so much better. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 08:21:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18DLKwX023717 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:21:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18DKkZj026366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:20:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18DKhmd045007; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j18DKVXn044741 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2005 13:20:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050208132057.015b2118@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:21:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <004a01c50ddc$556b78c0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> References: <010601c50db7$abaec0e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:47 08/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >It kept my attention. But then, I am reading Colleen McCullough's "The >October Horse" (a novel of Caesar and Cleopatra). >"I find her descriptive >writhing very keen. " I hope this is a typo - love it!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 08:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18DQK5a023733 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18DPgZj026754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18DPfGo048164; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18DPcD0047770 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j18DP1222935.; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:25:01 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:25:01 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:24:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> Appin1@aol.com 08/02/2005 07:02:36 >>> wrote: >I saw the series, and IMO, it was dreadful. Who knew Henry had a lower class > British accent? And the costumes were cheesy. What a waste. Rent the Keith >Michell version. It's so much better. >Kathleen Norvell I think we're talking about two different programmes here. One was a series of talks by historian David Starkey about Henry's wives, illustrated by costumed actors miming scenes. He has done a similar series on Elizabeth I. The series where the King had a somewhat Cockney accent was a drama "Henry VIII" starring Ray Winstone. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor ______________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 09:36:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18EaKSt024127 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18EZPZj003136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EZLVp095553; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EUDlC091971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j18ENMov001244 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:23:22 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:23:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4208CCF0.4080909@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:30:08 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: email acronym primer was: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Theresa Threadgill wrote: > Sorry to be ignorant of abbreviations but what does IMO mean? theresa In My Opinion. Also sometimes IMHO: in my humble opinion. There are many in use on the email lists I'm on; here's a fairly good list: http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.jargon.html?Email I also like IIRC -- If I Recall Correctly -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 09:42:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18EgNk5024163 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:42:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18EfiZj003704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EffcQ000380; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EdW5c098684 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 90EDE5EE075 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:39:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:40:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wig for pink dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with the pink dress. I found thi called Countess Jolanda http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=5 And another one with a braided tail wich i could make into a buckle I like this one very much http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 Finally there is a more natural long curly hair, i like the colour and the style look for the one called Mermaid http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=13 Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink dress? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 09:43:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18EhtVA024181 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:43:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18EgmZj003798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EglYm001257; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:42:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EghiX001148 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13193 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:54:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery In-Reply-To: <017a01c50dcb$0ac2fc00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Penny Ladnier wrote: > A new Holbein, a portrait, has lately been added to the gallery. It > was formerly the property of Mr. Rochard, and has been purchased by > the trustees for the sum of 800 pounds. (sorry I don't have the symbol > on my keyboard) It is apparently the portrait of a professor of > anatomy, from the furred doctor's gown and the skull on which the hand > rests. As there is a coat of arms in the left-hand corner of the > canvas the identity of the portrait may be traced." Gee, from that I thought I knew exactly what it was ... I was wrong. I just went through three books of Holbein and came up dry. Skulls are frequent in portraiture of this period, and Holbein used a skull at least once that I know of (in "The Ambassadors," which does not fit the description), but I couldn't locate a portrait like this *by Holbein*. There's always the possibility the portrait was later reassigned to another artist. Or that my books are less complete than I'd thought... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 09:56:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18EuGvM024232 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:56:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18ErHZj004749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:53:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18ErCYK008489; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18Er7Ko008344 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m24.in-tch.com [216.166.191.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j18EntI16106 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:49:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4208D381.8060305@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:58:09 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress References: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My personal preference is for the middle one (with the braided tail). I think it would complement the dress, and not compete with it. But any of them could conceivably work--I'd pick the one that best suits your niece's face and body, Bjarne. If she has a small face and frame, she might be overwhelmed by all the hair in the Mermaid wig, but if she's larger of stature, go for it.... --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with the pink dress. > I found thi called Countess Jolanda > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=5 > And another one with a braided tail wich i could make into a buckle I > like this one very much > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 > Finally there is a more natural long curly hair, i like the colour and > the style look for the one called Mermaid > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=13 > > Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink dress? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 09:59:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18ExHNv024253 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18EwjZj005284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EwgBk012406; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18EwbVU012328 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:58:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 70C3647FEF5 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:58:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001801c50dee$c4f204e0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <4208D381.8060305@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:59:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Sue, Well i think you are right, my niece is a very slim little lady and she has an oval face. I am going to shop now soon, so i guess i will go for this. It is not that bad at all, i like it quite much actually........... Thanks........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress > My personal preference is for the middle one (with the braided tail). I > think it would complement the dress, and not compete with it. But any of > them could conceivably work--I'd pick the one that best suits your niece's > face and body, Bjarne. If she has a small face and frame, she might be > overwhelmed by all the hair in the Mermaid wig, but if she's larger of > stature, go for it.... > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 10:11:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18FBrnL024317 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18FAwZj006378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18FAt3x022161; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:10:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18FAq1T022087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:10:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2237 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CyX0p-0005DH-OY for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:10:47 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j18FbsCF057035 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j18Fbsfj057034 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502081537.j18Fbsfj057034@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". In-Reply-To: <1107840762.42084efac3da1@webmail.spin.net.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > There's an image (Painting?) of Henry VIII going to the field of gold which > has a scene of everyday people outside calais on the right hand side. The > figures are small however you can see that the women who are walking have > split skirts and no farthingale. There are a couple of other images which also > show this. Would that be this painting? Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 10:15:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18FFN8W024335 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:15:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18FEJZj006718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:14:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18FEI7r024809; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18FEF6V024768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2249 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CyX47-0005d5-1U for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:14:11 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j18FfICF057078 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j18FfHqE057077 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502081541.j18FfHqE057077@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <20050207.222330.772.0.Cley@juno.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Is that the one narrated by a revisionist historian? David -Something, I > think. Saw it. It's dreadful, IMHO--judge for yourself. I'll have to second that dreadful Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 10:22:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18FMNhV024375 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18FLJZj007329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18FLFFH030171; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j18FLCNO030066 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBATYGAARHY94S for (sender ); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtVfRKytFLeGTZuuJyIQYR0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKBXYEU8; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:20:21 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:56:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20050208.072000.4032.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:472408759 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] abbreviations: was Wives of Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO IMO - In my opinion IMHO - In my humble opinion OTOH - on the other hand ttfn - ta ta for now OOP - out of period (used by SCAers to denote anything post 1600) IP - in period (used by SCAers to denote anything A.D. 600 to pre-1600) OT - off topic Arlys On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:08:52 -0600 "Theresa Threadgill" writes: > Sorry to be ignorant of abbreviations but what does IMO mean? theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 11:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18GOV6r024638 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:24:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18GNaZj013686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18GNFOD083035; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:23:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18GN2Sm082742 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14748 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:22:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Cindy Abel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Project Runway Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:22:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <00f601c50db0$281076e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny: Thanks for the reply. I've only designed and made doll clothing, aside from a few major items for myself as I mostly handsew, but I guessed that most people in fashion design don't share or play together well(sounds like physicians in research--very competitive--only share when they've made their big discovery)so whenever the challenge puts them in teams that's looking for problems and of course good "reality" TV The show's creators picked people for their diversity to create that all-important conflict. Vanessa I could see getting in--after all the great Dior couldn't sew. Austin(St. Laurent) is probably headed for an apprentiship with Gautier or Galliano. Jay might get backing to develop a small private line--maybe design for rock stars and videos, like Kara is now. Wendy will return to her wedding dress business and Kara will be the winner. We are probably not getting a full picture of what these people are really all about within each hour's show with several days being edited down into about 40+ minutes of show, either. I've learned a lot more through reading "Tim's Take" on each episode on the "Project Runway" website. It looks like there will be a second season and I'd like to see two "teams" or maybe a mix 50-50 with recent design school grads vs those without a degree, but with some real world experience. And definately not this kind of set-up where one person is clearly going to win after the first few challenges. I want to see real competition, not just people conflict. I think Elle mag and Banana Republic being sponsors have too much weigh-in naturally as to what they are looking for. Maybe a "Project Runway International" for a sequel? Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 12:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18Hbbpp025053 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18HZFZj022393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18HZ8PL054170; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailhub-5.iastate.edu (mailhub-5.iastate.edu [129.186.140.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18HZ2cf053914 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from djnash@iastate.edu) Received: from mailout-1.iastate.edu (mailout-1.iastate.edu [129.186.140.1]) by mailhub-5.iastate.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j18HYrQa031581 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:34:53 -0600 Received: from nodnsquery(129.186.127.7) by mailout-1.iastate.edu via csmap id e06b8154_79f7_11d9_9c51_00304811d932_24945; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:35:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050208113246.02a178e8@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:34:52 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my viewing area, they ran the documentary series on Sunday afternoon, then the first part of the dramatization on Sunday & Monday night. I taped it, but haven't had time to watch it. (And maybe now I never will! Too bad--I love Ray Winstone on the whole.) Doris At 07:24 AM 2/8/2005, you wrote: > >>> Appin1@aol.com 08/02/2005 07:02:36 >>> wrote: > > >I saw the series, and IMO, it was dreadful. Who knew Henry had a >lower class > > British accent? And the costumes were cheesy. What a waste. Rent >the Keith > >Michell version. It's so much better. > > >Kathleen Norvell > >I think we're talking about two different programmes here. One was a >series of talks by historian David Starkey about Henry's wives, >illustrated by costumed actors miming scenes. He has done a similar >series on Elizabeth I. >The series where the King had a somewhat Cockney accent was a drama >"Henry VIII" starring Ray Winstone. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor >______________________ >________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Doris J. Nash Costume Shop Supervisor ISU Theatre All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 12:49:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18HnVql025151 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18HmqZj023934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18HmM52067152; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j18HmIfp066994 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:48:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050208174813.99893.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.16.70] by web81408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:48:13 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0ce501c50dd0$b07feea0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's what it says, though it doesn't decribe what the skirt and bodice are of, just the "two petticoats", which makes me suspect that one of the petticoats decribed is the outer skirt that matches the bodice. I just checked a a larger image of the doll and the skirt looks to be textured, like it is of velvet, though I won't say cut velvet. Alex uhm, I'm really going to have to take up bobbin lace to do this doll, aren't I? Bummer, another hobby.... --- Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Doyle" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion doll > > > The luxurious > > costume consists of a skirt and bodice, together with two > petticoats. > > > > Skirt and bodice? As in two separate pieces? > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18I4TUA025216 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:04:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18I3uZj025522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:03:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18I3XDn081566; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:03:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18I3Prr081404 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:03:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:03:14 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:02:37 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personnally I like the Countess Jolanda, its looks more real theresa >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 2/8/2005 8:40:09 AM >>> Hi, I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with the pink dress. I found thi called Countess Jolanda http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=5 And another one with a braided tail wich i could make into a buckle I like this one very much http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 Finally there is a more natural long curly hair, i like the colour and the style look for the one called Mermaid http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=13 Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink dress? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:29:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18ITMbR025334 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:29:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18ISQZj028315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IROK5004051; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18I1nf9079777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j18Ht0ov004210 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:55:00 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:54:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4208FE8A.2090901@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:01:46 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > You can also get incongruities when > tapestries are cut apart, re-pieced, and rewoven to fit different spaces. Yeah. All I can say from what I've read (both books and some of the V&A's pamphlets) is that she wasn't the product of a recent (past 150 yrs) reweaving. The rewoven spots are fairly clear from the reverse sides. Teddy: You mentioned reproductions of the tapestries being faded. Do you mean the Devonshire ones? I long for a large near-photo-quality poster of some of these, but last time I looked online, the V&A didn't have anything like that. At least the most recent book does have one image of a section of the back of one of the Devonshires so that one can see the radical difference in color. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Vengeful Venus Day! Tired of the sickly-sweet sentiments, or unlucky in love? Cranach Venus feeling vengeful on t-shirts & etc by yours truly: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/483955 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:31:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18IVLmI025349 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:31:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18IUaZj028576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IUZYx007114; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:30:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18I4xkt082817 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.216] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyZjL-0007CH-EM for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <011301c50e08$acf546d0$d8159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017a01c50dcb$0ac2fc00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:04:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b0154f8c6220b5dc4cc225d4991f99ca1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.216 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny wrote: "The London Gallery: A new Holbein, a portrait, has lately been added to the gallery. It was formerly the property of Mr. Rochard, and has been purchased by the trustees for the sum of 800 pounds. (sorry I don't have the symbol on my keyboard) It is apparently the portrait of a professor of anatomy, from the furred doctor's gown and the skull on which the hand rests. As there is a coat of arms in the left-hand corner of the canvas the identity of the portrait may be traced." Okay, there are lots of clues... good luck with the mystery. How about this portrait of Pompeiius Occo by Dirck Jacobsz, ca 1531? It's in the same style, around the right time, he has the gown, and his hand on a skull, although the coat of arms is on the sitter's left, not the viewer's. URL: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/welcome.html -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18IjLwE025449 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18IeaZj029855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IeIWe016951; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IeCNm016668 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 4E202BA58; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:16:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust123.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.123]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50735BA87 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <02d101c50e0a$6c83b580$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <019c01c50bde$0ba9cd90$0400a8c0@compaqub><014801c50d95$e27c1cc0$1a92d6cb@ewalpole> <1107840762.42084efac3da1@webmail.spin.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:17:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Quoting Elizabeth Walpole : >> Admittedly most of my research has been concentrated in England and I >> haven't found a lot of French (or other countries in the area) examples >> so >> perhaps this is a continental fashion. >> Elizabeth Well, the first image I posted of Anne de Bretagne shows a split skirt without a farthingale: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500AdB1.jpg (The blue is the sash; the gold brocade is the lining of her gown.) Here's another on AdB, also with a hint of the waist sash--probably the one of the best ones if you're looking to document a 'Tudor' gown without a farthingale: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1508annedebretagne1.jpg Here are a couple of others, of a more relaxed style: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/1495-1515Francecrop.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/c1500tapestry.jpg -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18IvY22025554 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18IudZj002134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IuQ19032367; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IuKJB032287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2548 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CyaWx-0004Jg-KI for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:56:13 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j18JNLCF058641 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j18JNKgL058640 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502081923.j18JNKgL058640@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery In-Reply-To: <011301c50e08$acf546d0$d8159b04@HELENPINTO> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Penny wrote: > "The London Gallery: > A new Holbein, a portrait, has lately been added to the gallery. It was > formerly the property of Mr. Rochard, and has been purchased by the trustees > for the sum of 800 pounds. (sorry I don't have the symbol on my keyboard) It > is apparently the portrait of a professor of anatomy, from the furred > doctor's gown and the skull on which the hand rests. As there is a coat of > arms in the left-hand corner of the canvas the identity of the portrait may > be traced." > Okay, there are lots of clues... good luck with the mystery. > > > How about this portrait of Pompeiius Occo by Dirck Jacobsz, ca 1531? It's > in the same style, around the right time, he has the gown, and his hand on a > skull, although the coat of arms is on the sitter's left, not the viewer's. > URL: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/welcome.html You'll find this URL to work better. Framed web sites are such a pain to provide a "true" URL for ... *grumble* Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 13:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18IxlQn025572 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:59:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18IwxZj002424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IwtvL034596; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound3.mail.tds.net (outbound3.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18IvFSd033153 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from host (h69-21-248-8.69-21.unk.tds.net [69.21.248.8]) by outbound3.mail.tds.net (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id j18Iv4mO004816 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:57:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001901c50e0f$6d1024c0$0201a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200502081626.j18GQPfo085896@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:53:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:54:40 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > A new Holbein, a portrait, has lately been added to the gallery. It > > was formerly the property of Mr. Rochard, and has been purchased by > > the trustees for the sum of 800 pounds. (sorry I don't have the symbol > > on my keyboard) It is apparently the portrait of a professor of > > anatomy, from the furred doctor's gown and the skull on which the hand > > rests. As there is a coat of arms in the left-hand corner of the > > canvas the identity of the portrait may be traced." > > Gee, from that I thought I knew exactly what it was ... I was wrong. I > just went through three books of Holbein and came up dry. Skulls are > frequent in portraiture of this period, and Holbein used a skull at least > once that I know of (in "The Ambassadors," which does not fit the > description), but I couldn't locate a portrait like this *by Holbein*. > > There's always the possibility the portrait was later reassigned to > another artist. Or that my books are less complete than I'd thought... > > --Robin Robin, and Penny, I had the same response, that I should know this painting. After searching my books here, I came up dry as well. I hadn't thought of it being reassigned to a different artist, Robin, the thought that sprang to mind, was WWII. I vaguely remember, from art history class *mumble* years ago, that there were some Durer's and Holbein's destroyed in Dresden. Could this be one of them? Bob Dorr--Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 14:14:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18JEN35025653 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:14:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18JCuZj004096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:12:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JCePQ047612; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JAfM1045787 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AE0B5EE052 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:10:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006201c50e11$ee430650$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:10:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] masqued ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I baught the duchesse Josephine wig for my niece, and then they had some incredible beautifull masks. Real Venetian masks in leather, so i had to buy us 2 of those. My niece's mask is a half mask, in leather, golden in colour with carved brocade pattern. My own was black and gold with a Domino pattern. Gosh how wonderfull........... When you go, you go for it ! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 14:23:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18JNXgm025689 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18JIaZj004677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JIWvx053115; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JIOKi052987 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:18:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C222347FE67 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:18:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006501c50e13$02103030$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:18:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress > Personnally I like the Countess Jolanda, its looks more real theresa Hi Theresa, I only wished i had made a different style of dress for her, because they had a wig they called Pompadour, and even it is not correct to call it Pompadour, because it was a tall very tall wig, Pompadour never wore these, it was not her time........ But it was really good, it was straw colloured and very tall. The only thing missing was there were no curls on the sides of it, only plain tall wig, but it could be worked on to get it right..........A garland of roses on the top for instance........... Anglaise dress is two late for this style............ Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 14:30:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18JUdLR025736 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18JTkZj005884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JTQ0L063503; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18JTKcK063362 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020819291501300g7e63e>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:29:15 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.228] by 204.127.197.115; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:29:14 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:29:14 +0000 Message-Id: <020820051929.29121.42091309000C4ECA000071C122007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can hardly wait for the pictures to be posted! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > I baught the duchesse Josephine wig for my niece, and then they had some > incredible beautifull masks. Real Venetian masks in leather, so i had to buy > us 2 of those. > My niece's mask is a half mask, in leather, golden in colour with carved > brocade pattern. > My own was black and gold with a Domino pattern. > Gosh how wonderfull........... > When you go, you go for it ! > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 15:06:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18K6mqs025942 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18K5qZj010367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:05:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18K4vM3097061; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18K44CY096493 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16131 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:16:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:16:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries In-Reply-To: <4208FE8A.2090901@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > You can also get incongruities when > > tapestries are cut apart, re-pieced, and rewoven to fit different spaces. > > Yeah. All I can say from what I've read (both books and some of the > V&A's pamphlets) is that she wasn't the product of a recent (past 150 > yrs) reweaving. The rewoven spots are fairly clear from the reverse sides. My own thought was that she might have been an addition of maybe within 100-200 years after the earlier parts of the tapestry. I suppose that would still make her "SCA period," but not contemporary to the rest! It's maddening. For that matter, the figure may have been mostly intact, but repaired or corrected in part, and updated in those parts. I've seen some really bizarre combinations in tapestries before. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 16:09:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18L9e2N026371 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18L85Zj018359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18L7pD4057874; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j18L7iV7057674 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:07:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27559 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2005 21:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20050208210738.27557.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:07:38 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress ............ I like #2....... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, I love the dress and the colors, I like the 2nd choice wig best.I agree with the ponytail . Here is a link to wigs here in the USA, They are of the era and some come in colors- white ,of course, but also hot pink, violet and purple & blue! Imagine a Purple wig with a tiny pink tri- corn hat perched on top. just some more "soup for the pot". Melody --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with > the pink dress. > > And another one with a braided tail wich i could > make into a buckle I like this one very much > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 > age=13 > > Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink > dress? > > Bjarne > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 16:23:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18LNs5S026449 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18LNCZj020105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18LMkPN071857; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from relay3.mail2web.com (relay3.mail2web.com [168.144.1.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18LMQCT071520 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from M2W052.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.159]) by relay3.mail2web.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:22:19 -0500 Message-ID: <46420-22005228212218673@M2W052.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 207.69.137.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "purplkat@optonline.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:22:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2005 21:22:19.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[45859100:01C50E24] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j18LMQCT071520 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would go with either of the first 2 - the Mermaid wig just would look like the wrong style with an excellent outfit. Katheryne Original Message: ----------------- From: Sue Clemenger mooncat@in-tch.com My personal preference is for the middle one (with the braided tail). I think it would complement the dress, and not compete with it. But any of them could conceivably work--I'd pick the one that best suits your niece's face and body, Bjarne. If she has a small face and frame, she might be overwhelmed by all the hair in the Mermaid wig, but if she's larger of stature, go for it.... --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with the pink dress. > I found thi called Countess Jolanda > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=5 > And another one with a braided tail wich i could make into a buckle I > like this one very much > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 > Finally there is a more natural long curly hair, i like the colour and > the style look for the one called Mermaid > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=13 > > Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink dress? > Bjarne -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 17:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18M5pE1026767 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050208.072000.4032.1.Cley@juno.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sometimes - IMHO = In My Honest Opinion. :) De -----Original Message----- IMO - In my opinion IMHO - In my humble opinion OTOH - on the other hand ttfn - ta ta for now OOP - out of period (used by SCAers to denote anything post 1600) IP - in period (used by SCAers to denote anything A.D. 600 to pre-1600) OT - off topic Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 17:15:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18MF5WJ026822 for ; 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"floaty waist sash". References: <200502081537.j18Fbsfj057034@sabre.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <200502081537.j18Fbsfj057034@sabre.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 129.78.228.114 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's it, thankyou. The woman I am referring to is the one in the middle distance to the left of the gate. With a red skirt and you can then see the yellow underneath. The image from the book I was was a lot bigger so you can see her more clearly. Karinne Quoting Susan Farmer : > > Would that be this painting? > > > Jerusha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 17:57:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18MvK6S027154 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18MuXZj001226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:56:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18MuO9p060265; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18MuLIT060094 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:56:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005020822561501300fsomoe>; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c50e31$68e98d10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh my goodness!!!! I have stumped Robin! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 18:53:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j18NrXSM027399 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:53:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j18NquZj007095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18Nqf64010906; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:52:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j18NqbSJ010768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:2852 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cyf9d-0002W4-8L for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:52:25 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j190JcYb060199 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:19:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j190JbuA060198 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:19:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502090019.j190JbuA060198@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was: Allegorical Fashions... "floaty waist sash". In-Reply-To: <1107900524.4209386c47923@webmail.spin.net.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > That's it, thankyou. The woman I am referring to is the one in the middle > distance to the left of the gate. With a red skirt and you can then see the > yellow underneath. The image from the book I was was a lot bigger so you can > see her more clearly. Would you happen to know which book that was? I'd like to see a bigger image myself. Jerusha > Quoting Susan Farmer : > > > > Would that be this painting? > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 20:48:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j191mXDk028018 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:48:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j191lbZj016397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j191lUfF097525; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j191lM35097391 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAU45UA3YS7TA for (sender ); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgsP2O6+fSK5vod8lVGfynW8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKC3SASW; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:46:09 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:42:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Message-ID: <20050208.174217.1116.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-8,10-64 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 24:12:1648753266 X-MAIL-INFO: 595f0f17ebeae35f7aeb0357b327470fef5767477e6f7a472f03fe8faa8f2b2e3b0ea78fe307e3bffbba4a3b3ffbbba7c33b07bb4f7e9bbbbe2acf5e0b5eafde9aaada5e3af33af7dbfad79acbdb6ada7b9af36a272b034e030e3e4b0e3e2efb3e2efb27eaaeeece5fd787d7eb6723e70ad76fa72a13aa135e971a5e97dbda97db X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was thinking of the Starkey version. Haven't seen the other, but hope to. The Starkey version is dreadful. Don't waste your time, unless you *really* want to be annoyed by him, his his biases, and his sexist attitude. Erg. Arlys On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:34:52 -0600 Doris J Nash writes: > In my viewing area, they ran the documentary series on Sunday > afternoon, > then the first part of the dramatization on Sunday & Monday night. > I taped > it, but haven't had time to watch it. (And maybe now I never will! > Too > bad--I love Ray Winstone on the whole.) > > Doris > > At 07:24 AM 2/8/2005, you wrote: > > > > >>> Appin1@aol.com 08/02/2005 07:02:36 >>> wrote: > > > > >I saw the series, and IMO, it was dreadful. Who knew Henry had a > >lower class > > > British accent? And the costumes were cheesy. What a waste. > Rent > >the Keith > > >Michell version. It's so much better. > > > > >Kathleen Norvell > > > >I think we're talking about two different programmes here. One was > a > >series of talks by historian David Starkey about Henry's wives, > >illustrated by costumed actors miming scenes. He has done a similar > >series on Elizabeth I. > >The series where the King had a somewhat Cockney accent was a drama > >"Henry VIII" starring Ray Winstone. > > > >Kate Bunting > >Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor > >______________________ > >________________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Doris J. Nash > Costume Shop Supervisor > ISU Theatre > > All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. > Sean O'Casey > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 21:35:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j192Z0l7028214 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j192YCZj020306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j192Y3ts032842; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j192Y0TE032781 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19842 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:46:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein Mystery In-Reply-To: <003201c50e31$68e98d10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Oh my goodness!!!! I have stumped Robin! Actually happens all the time ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 8 23:48:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j194mNcr028719 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j194lTZj001094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j194lMYW023686; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j194lJBR023653 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from 209-165-51-166.jps.net ([209.165.51.166]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cyjl0-0002Fx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:47:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4208CCF0.4080909@thibault.org> References: <4208CCF0.4080909@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:31:08 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: email acronym primer was: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 9:30 AM -0500 2/8/05, Cynthia Virtue wrote: >Theresa Threadgill wrote: > >>Sorry to be ignorant of abbreviations but what does IMO mean? theresa > >In My Opinion. Also sometimes IMHO: in my humble opinion. > >There are many in use on the email lists I'm on; here's a fairly >good list: http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.jargon.html?Email > >I also like IIRC -- If I Recall Correctly One that people discussing historical or other abstruse stuff REALLY need is "IAFML" or "IAFAMB" (I'm Away From My Library or I'm Away From All My Books) That is, IMHO :) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 04:08:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1998hdv029753 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1997oZj017923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1997fvT074998; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1997ZSp074655 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:07:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j1996w202691.; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:06:58 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:06:58 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:06:40 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> cley@juno.com 09/02/2005 01:42:13 >>> >I was thinking of the Starkey version. Haven't seen the other, but hope >to. >The Starkey version is dreadful. Don't waste your time, unless you >*really* want to be annoyed by him, his his biases, and his sexist >attitude. Erg. >Arlys Interesting! Dr. Starkey is known for his abrasive manner in a radio discussion programme he takes part in, but his historical series have been generally well received over here. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 04:25:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j199PVc2001956 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j199OqZj018825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j199On0G084481; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j199Okuh084410 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E9585EE032 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:24:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c50e89$358b57c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:24:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I want to mingle in here and say that i actually like Starkey very much. That he puts in the sexuality into it, is correct in my oppinion. The costumes could be better, i agree, but i like the way he tells history! I have him on tapes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII > > >>>> cley@juno.com 09/02/2005 01:42:13 >>> >>I was thinking of the Starkey version. Haven't seen the other, but > hope >>to. > >>The Starkey version is dreadful. Don't waste your time, unless you >>*really* want to be annoyed by him, his his biases, and his sexist >>attitude. Erg. > >>Arlys > > Interesting! Dr. Starkey is known for his abrasive manner in a radio > discussion programme he takes part in, but his historical series have > been generally well received over here. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th cent. reenactor > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 07:15:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19CFHgs031177 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:15:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19CDtZj029858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:13:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CDbUS077837; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CDM2d077583 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:13:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979285E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries thread-index: AcUOEqrFiJaFtt9vSNiFphs1WWo+7AAjaQGA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Teddy: Yes Cynthia, > You mentioned reproductions of the tapestries being faded. Do you mean > the Devonshire ones? Yes - they sell copies of the tapestries (smaller scale) for you to hang on your wall , but they are copied in the current faded colours (some of the greens have faded to blue etc) instead of the unfaded/more intense colours they would originally have been in. > I long for a large near-photo-quality poster of > some of these, but last time I looked online, the V&A didn't have > anything like that. Not that I know of. > At least the most recent book does have one image of a section of the > back of one of the Devonshires so that one can see the radical > difference in color. I have the same book. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 07:45:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19CjnsH031395 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:45:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19CiWa4001097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CZpSA089983; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CZmiP089941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:35:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j19CStov015236 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:28:56 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:28:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420A03A0.5000307@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:35:44 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979285E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979285E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > Yes - they sell copies of the tapestries (smaller scale) for you to hang > on your wall Thanks! Sadly, they're not at the online shop http://www.vandashop.co.uk -- I've sent the store an email to ask about them. I suppose one could take a tiny paintbrush and some fabric paint...! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on shirts, mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 07:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19ClrH0031409 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:47:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19CkuZj001191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CkjeI095965; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19CkhB2095860 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A62A4EBB0096; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:46:34 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Feb 05 12:46:25 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c50ea5$899eb700$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010601c50db7$abaec0e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <5.1.0.14.2.20050208132057.015b2118@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:47:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your comment on the 'writhing' is somehow just right for the passage I am reading now. Yes, it was a typo... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII > At 07:47 08/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >It kept my attention. But then, I am reading Colleen McCullough's "The > >October Horse" (a novel of Caesar and Cleopatra). > > > > >"I find her descriptive > >writhing very keen. " > > > I hope this is a typo - love it!! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 08:06:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19D6jbJ031542 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19D68Zj002072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19D63Tn006779; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19D61KQ006711 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AAB3258D009C; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:05:55 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Feb 05 13:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c50ea8$3d580380$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c50dec$1a8bf530$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig for pink dress Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:06:57 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I like the 'mermaid' one but even for a "hedgehog" do, it would be too late for the gown. I think the middle one would suit my taste, but it isn't as formal as the first. Does your company do any of the Large "dos"? I have two from Lacey in NY that ate 10/12" high . Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: [h-cost] wig for pink dress > Hi, > I am going to buy a wig for my niece to wear with the pink dress. > I found thi called Countess Jolanda > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=5 > And another one with a braided tail wich i could make into a buckle I like > this one very much > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=6 > Finally there is a more natural long curly hair, i like the colour and the > style look for the one called Mermaid > http://www.dramashop.dk/group.asp?group=3&sort=&page=13 > > Wich one do you think fits her best for the pink dress? > > Bjarne > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 08:18:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19DIAYQ031676 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:18:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19DHCZj002602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19DH2Y0012791; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19DGHoJ012312 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AD1B2C300066; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:16:11 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 9 Feb 05 13:16:10 -0000 Message-ID: <005301c50ea9$acc3c460$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006201c50e11$ee430650$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] masqued ball Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:17:14 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We will see some pics later? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] masqued ball > Hi, > I baught the duchesse Josephine wig for my niece, and then they had some > incredible beautifull masks. Real Venetian masks in leather, so i had to buy > us 2 of those. > My niece's mask is a half mask, in leather, golden in colour with carved > brocade pattern. > My own was black and gold with a Domino pattern. > Gosh how wonderfull........... > When you go, you go for it ! > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 09:08:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19E8K44031925 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:08:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19E7WZj009713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:07:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19E7ThS042904; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19E7Ejl042791 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E02926285C for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:07:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001c01c50eb0$bbb3e890$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:07:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] masqued ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Kathleen. Off cause i shall post lots of photos, promise. Today i am finishing the hat, it is really hard work making such a hat, to cover it all with fabric. Then i promised my niece i wanted to make her a small cloak, waistlong, and i want to make her one with a hood. I have a week to finish all things.............. When the opera is finished we have to go with toarches to the pallace where the ball is taking place. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 09:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19EXaCn032140 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19EWiZj015234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:32:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19EWYGf059343; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:32:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19EWTNH059296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j19EPcov015775 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:25:38 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:25:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420A1EFB.7000000@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:32:27 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979285E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <420A03A0.5000307@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <420A03A0.5000307@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Devonshire Hunting Tapestries Repros X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The V&A is prompt: Thank you for your enquiry, however we cannot assist as the tapestries are not part of our current stock, they were only available during the Gothic Exhibition held in the Museum from 9th October 2003 - 18th January 2004 and as a new exhibition is forthcoming - 'International Arts and Crafts' merchandise will reflect this theme. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries. Kind regards _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 11:08:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19G8pba032683 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19G4vZj026832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:04:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19G4eTl029323; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19G4Vr1029127 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 16:04:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209155758.014a26c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:05:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <104.5a3bb31d.2f397473@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gaelic costume, male 16/17th ? century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had a query for a man's Gaelic Chieftain costume from the 16th/early17th century, and although I have some research that he has done, I would be interested to know if there was anyone out there who had any research they were prepared to share. The costume appears to comprise a skirted doublet and "tights" or cloth hose, with probably a form of trunk hose underneath. The fabric appears almost like strapwork - see Janet Arnold 1639? Bayerisches Nationalmuseum, Munich gown for a similar sort of fabric. The doublet is standard late 16th century, but is skirted in a similar fashion to the Charles lX of France costume in the same book, but the trunk hose don't show and the skirt seems stiff and sticking out rather oddly! The pictures are from woodcuts of the period. TIA Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 11:31:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19GV01E000353 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:31:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19GTkZj029593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19GTgfS050876; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19GTaG0050739 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22561); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:29:34 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:29:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050209081600.00d9ba20@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gaelic costume, male 16/17th ? century In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209155758.014a26c0@127.0.0.1> References: <104.5a3bb31d.2f397473@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:05 PM 2/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have had a query for a man's Gaelic Chieftain costume from the >16th/early17th century, and although I have some research that he has >done, I would be interested to know if there was anyone out there who had >any research they were prepared to share. The costume appears to comprise >a skirted doublet and "tights" or cloth hose, with probably a form of >trunk hose underneath. The fabric appears almost like strapwork - see >Janet Arnold 1639? Bayerisches Nationalmuseum, Munich gown for a similar >sort of fabric. The doublet is standard late 16th century, but is skirted >in a similar fashion to the Charles lX of France costume in the same book, >but the trunk hose don't show and the skirt seems stiff and sticking out >rather oddly! The pictures are from woodcuts of the period. > >TIA > >Suzi Well, there really is not much information available; a few sketches, a few written descriptions, all by people other than the Gaels (or Irishe or Erse, as they were called then). And if the chieftain went to a "civilized" court, he would dress as richly as he could in current fashions. So his dress at home would be different from his dress elsewhere. I have a copy of J. Telfer Dunbar's "The Costume of Scotland", one of the standard references. The information he cites does not become fairly voluminous until the late 17th century. There is virtually nothing for the 16th century. Unfortunately, most of the "information" that is cited today is actually 19th century romanticism (blame Sir Walter Scott ). I have a copy of "The Scottish Gael" that is a wonderful example of 19th century romanticism about "ancient times"; but a reliable (or historically accurate) costume resource it is not! Do you have an URL for the picture you are using? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 11:56:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19Gu18M000490 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:56:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19GrbZj002819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19GrW3t076837; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19GrGNd076468 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2005 16:53:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209165336.014a1bc8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:54:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gaelic costume, male 16/17th ? century In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050209081600.00d9ba20@pop.surewest.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050209155758.014a26c0@127.0.0.1> <104.5a3bb31d.2f397473@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:29 09/02/2005 -0800, you wrote: >At 04:05 PM 2/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >>I have had a query for a man's Gaelic Chieftain costume from the >>16th/early17th century, and although I have some research that he has >>done, I would be interested to know if there was anyone out there who had >>any research they were prepared to share. The costume appears to comprise >>a skirted doublet and "tights" or cloth hose, with probably a form of >>trunk hose underneath. The fabric appears almost like strapwork - see >>Janet Arnold 1639? Bayerisches Nationalmuseum, Munich gown for a similar >>sort of fabric. The doublet is standard late 16th century, but is skirted >>in a similar fashion to the Charles lX of France costume in the same >>book, but the trunk hose don't show and the skirt seems stiff and >>sticking out rather oddly! The pictures are from woodcuts of the period. >> >>TIA >> >>Suzi > >Well, there really is not much information available; a few sketches, a >few written descriptions, all by people other than the Gaels (or Irishe or >Erse, as they were called then). And if the chieftain went to a >"civilized" court, he would dress as richly as he could in current >fashions. So his dress at home would be different from his dress >elsewhere. I have a copy of J. Telfer Dunbar's "The Costume of Scotland", >one of the standard references. The information he cites does not become >fairly voluminous until the late 17th century. There is virtually nothing >for the 16th century. Unfortunately, most of the "information" that is >cited today is actually 19th century romanticism (blame Sir Walter Scott >). I have a copy of "The Scottish Gael" that is a wonderful example of >19th century romanticism about "ancient times"; but a reliable (or >historically accurate) costume resource it is not! > >Do you have an URL for the picture you are using? Unfortunately not, as he e-mailed it to me - I can mail it to you though, if that would help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 13:37:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19IbxxE001232 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:37:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19IZHZj014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19IYt9m075407; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19IY6GL074760 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B5D47FED2 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:33:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002301c50ed5$ebf87a00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:33:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: .indra.com 1044; bulk Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=many X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com sells online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do not get anything of it back again. My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? Please tell me, if you know!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 13:54:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19Is6WW001378 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:54:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19IovZj016731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19IoHOj089779; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19IoESf089640 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020918500901200j57kie>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:50:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:50:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c50ed5$ebf87a00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now they have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a prepared-for-dying blend of silk and hemp http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Categor y_Code=191 and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if any are the one you wanted: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&submit= Go Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and things that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for what you want. What kind of silk linen was it you particularly fell in love with? Lauren > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi, > A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com sells > online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. > But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do not > get anything of it back again. > My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? Please tell > me, if you know!!! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 14:06:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19J6aTV001442 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:06:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19J1KZj017823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19Iwvnx097954; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19Iwqsf097872 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f1d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EC32E47FE8B for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:58:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Lauren, Thanks for the tips, ill try and look for it. It was this type i looked for, especially the sage green, but all other colours are great two. > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&submit= I know they list it as they still had it in stock, but i tryed to buy online today and i was told it was sold out, all their silk linnen blends. What i like about this quality is that it looks very much like silk taffeta, and it is just the same quality as silk taffeta, only much cheaper. I could make myself a suit of this, and i could make many dresses also................. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 14:33:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19JXq7v001550 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:33:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19JX0Zj021339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19JWkc3029580; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:32:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail12.mdx.safepages.com (mail12.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19JWhXJ029268 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 37DA4B923; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust148.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.148]) by mail12.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D01BCB863 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <038001c50ede$33e4d310$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:33:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wonder if you're talking about the same fabric that I got from them and absolutely fell in love with? It was a silk warp with a linen weft, and looked like a slubby grosgrain--that may not sound very spectacular, but it FEELS absolutely wonderful. It's got a lovely sueded feel, doesn't hold wrinkles, and has a drape to die for. I only bought 7 or 8 yards, and I want MOREMOREMORE. I got it from their retail store, but I was hoping to be able to get more from their website, sigh. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 15:02:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19K2GeV001763 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:02:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19K1EZj024117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19K11X0056219; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19K0uiw056057 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h0006255ec5ea.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.43.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005020920005001600qdftce>; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:00:50 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:00:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen From: Lauren Walker To: Historical Costume Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Bjarne, Rats -- too bad fashionfabricsclub is sold out of what you liked, it sounds like a wonderful fabric. They get these unique fabrics that are just fabulous sometimes -- I have a silk oxford that's olive green and black crossweave that I bought from them that is delicious. I think it's going to be a simple 10th century gown, but, OH what a pleasure it will be to wear around! I hope something else like it turns up! Best, Lauren > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen > Dear Lauren, > > Thanks for the tips, ill try and look for it. > It was this type i looked for, especially the sage green, but all other > colours are great two. >> http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&submit= > I know they list it as they still had it in stock, but i tryed to buy online > today and i was told it was sold out, all their silk linnen blends. > What i like about this quality is that it looks very much like silk taffeta, > and it is just the same quality as silk taffeta, only much cheaper. > I could make myself a suit of this, and i could make many dresses > also................. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 15:59:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19KxsXK002750 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19KxEZj000891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19Kx6X1010357; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19Kx14c010195 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28581 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:11:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:11:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen In-Reply-To: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > It was this type i looked for, especially the sage green, but all > other colours are great two. > > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&submit= > I know they list it as they still had it in stock, but i tryed to buy > online today and i was told it was sold out, all their silk linnen > blends. Bjarne, I work part-time at the Fashion Fabrics outlet store, where we sometimes get the bolt ends from the Internet business. I've asked the manager to tell me if any of the silk linen comes in, and if so, I will grab it for you. Right now there's none in the store. Though I am really surprised that you had trouble ordering, as usually they keep the "sold out" notices up to date within a day. I see six silk-linen blends on that page you cited that still say "in stock" (though the sage green is marked sold out). Did you try them all? On the other hand, FFC won't ship to Denmark, or anywhere outside of the U.S. That may be what hung up your order. If you would like me to place an order here by phone, please send me the stock numbers and amounts of each of the fabrics you'd want (minimum and maximum of each, in case they only have a little) and I'll call the warehouse myself and see if I can get any of it. We'll need to work out some arrangement for you to reimburse me for the fabric and shipping, but I'm sure that can be managed. > What i like about this quality is that it looks very much like silk > taffeta, and it is just the same quality as silk taffeta, only much > cheaper. Now this surprises me, because the silk linens on the site all see to have a definite textured "linen weave." I think of silk taffeta as being slick and shiny. Am I wrong? Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 16:55:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19Lt6CD003066 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19LrpZj007873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19LrJbl061858; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19Lqk9o061262 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-10414); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:45 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050209135100.00d9ec40@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:39 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just looked at this new listing from David Brown Book Company (American associate of Oxbow Books in UK). Looks interesting-- http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/17847 Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 17:05:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19M5JMm003177 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:05:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19M4HZj008919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19M4DCY070842; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19M47ji070692 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 7.1b8.c8928c6 (15900) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.133]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v104.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c420a88ce276; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:03:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:03:58 -0500 From: TeaRoseS@aol.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.23.116.42 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on a Tudor gown, and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I really like the pin-tucked undersleeves in this image: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg But look closely at the elbow. There's a little puff of fabric there and I'm not sure what it represents. At first I thought maybe the undersleeve was folded back, like the sleeve in this image: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg But then I realized it looks more like another puff of the chemise sleeve poking out. That seemed reasonable, until I found this image: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg In this picture you see a little fold of fabric back there, but it's the same fabric as the undersleeve, so it's obviously not the chemise. Here's that Holbein sketch of the More family, in which you can see what I'm talking about on the woman at the far left. http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg Does anyone know what I'm seeing here? Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 18:19:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19NJpWs003547 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19NJBZj016818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NIvj7032781; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:18:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19NItBR032669 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAXGTDA489JRJ for (sender ); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgpiA1IbXyTspHyeDZKs/UK4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKFDPJ9L; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:17:54 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:27:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Message-ID: <20050209.151727.420.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-22 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1230141752 X-MAIL-INFO: 219b071f3f9f4bef33cfbe93839f7ede2adacf5ede33ab97aa3aae13dedb57f7634a9a3a8ade731bde635b6773ca6e93ea739eb78f93a39e1b5f0f17ebeae35f7aeb5ad7a3ebb31b270abb0a7fbf0e47030a8f9b8f7b2b4e970ea72b83033a0e9b83ca5a43833f37fb776a77eff7aabb2a775e4a5e33afd38eaadaaf632a57aa4a63176767fe0a47470a8f1f6f03030e2bb75f0bc717a3ea0f4bea5f6e3b0f9e02777787ef3333efafaabbbebef7e35ef797f7abdadbabda9a3ada9a3ae3bffbba9b1f3fb73f5a9f13cf073fbede1ec7a3c79e0f279e0f57ee0f57 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's supposed to be fabulous. As we speak, I am waiting for my copy to arrive. The book's been remaindered--it was $100, down to half that. I can hardly wait. :) Arlys On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:39 -0800 Joan Jurancich writes: > Just looked at this new listing from David Brown Book Company > (American > associate of Oxbow Books in UK). Looks interesting-- > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/17847 > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 18:34:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19NYgKb003643 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19NXPZj018206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NXIer044280; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NX9Up044191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mycomputer (penax4-172.dialup.optusnet.com.au [211.29.193.172]) by mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j19NX7rR020010 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:08 +1100 Message-ID: <012e01c50eff$b338f170$0100a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050209.151727.420.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have had a copy since it was released. I can't recommend it highly enough. Glenda. > It's supposed to be fabulous. As we speak, I am waiting for my copy to > arrive. The book's been remaindered--it was $100, down to half that. > > I can hardly wait. :) > > Arlys > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:52:39 -0800 Joan Jurancich > writes: >> Just looked at this new listing from David Brown Book Company >> (American >> associate of Oxbow Books in UK). Looks interesting-- >> http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/17847 >> >> >> Joan Jurancich _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 18:40:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19NeqHM003669 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:40:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19NeEZj018866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NeAYt049229; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j19Ne80d049202 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 5407 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2005 23:47:11 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:47:11 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5779.162.119.64.110.1107992407.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:40:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on a Tudor gown, > and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I really like the pin-tucked > undersleeves in this image: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg When I researched my Tudor gown, I saw what you are seeing. My take on it was that the "undersleeve" is not really a complete undersleeve. It is an accent piece that only goes from elbow to wrist and ties on the bottom. Sort of like a funnel with decorative ties on the bottom. Then to keep them in place, I put two ties that tied to two hidden ties inside the oversleeve. I am not sure if this is historically correct, but it gave the right look and was logical based on the examples you pointed out. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 18:50:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j19NouwP003695 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j19NnuZj019616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NnmBq055942; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j19NnGtT055636 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:49:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBO00HU14U3AQ@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.32] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.50]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:49:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:49:15 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen To: Historical Costume Message-id: <11478011144202.11442021147801@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AAARRRGGG!!!! Here I am trying to be a good girl and not buying any more fabric until I had not only catalogued my fabric mountain - but made several items from it. And you talk about silk blends, linen and drool-worthy fabric..... AAAAGGGHHH!!!!! Lady Katheryne who needs a bulldozer to move the 'mountain' ----- Original Message ----- From: Lauren Walker > Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now they have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a prepared-for-dying blend of silk and hemp http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mvScreen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Category_Code=191 > and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if any are the one you wanted: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&submit=Go > Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and things that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for what you want. > Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 21:15:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A2FhYe004335 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A2ETZj001734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A2DHtp040123; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A2CjGk039747 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A3175EBA0036; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:12:39 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.107 ([209.131.81.107] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Feb 05 02:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c50f16$26147820$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> <5779.162.119.64.110.1107992407.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:10:43 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is how these sleeves were often dealt with in the 19th Century; why not in this earlier period, too. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves > > > I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on a Tudor gown, > > and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I really like the pin-tucked > > undersleeves in this image: > > > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg > > When I researched my Tudor gown, I saw what you are seeing. My take on it > was that the "undersleeve" is not really a complete undersleeve. It is an > accent piece that only goes from elbow to wrist and ties on the bottom. > Sort of like a funnel with decorative ties on the bottom. > > Then to keep them in place, I put two ties that tied to two hidden ties > inside the oversleeve. I am not sure if this is historically correct, but > it gave the right look and was logical based on the examples you pointed > out. > > Good luck! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 22:46:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A3kW66004695 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A3jKZj007605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:45:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A3j67M086684; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A3j16M086546 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:45:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.54.3d9bffe1 (18707) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <54.3d9bffe1.2f3c32a8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:44:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. thanks theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 22:50:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A3oddm004706 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A3nuZj007848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A3nt5S088921; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A3kSrw087231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A4v33w012388 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:57:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: email acronym primer was: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:46:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4208CCF0.4080909@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502092246.18462.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 08 February 2005 11:31 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > At 9:30 AM -0500 2/8/05, Cynthia Virtue wrote: [snip] > One that people discussing historical or other abstruse stuff REALLY > need is "IAFML" or "IAFAMB" (I'm Away From My Library or I'm Away > From All My Books) > > That is, IMHO :) I've never seen IAFML or IAFAMB, but the rest I knew. The one I always forget the meaning of is AFAIK. -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 23:08:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A48C0f004874 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:08:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A47GZj008872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A47Af3097346; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A477NV097311 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:07:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-214.cvip.net [129.8.205.214]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40C916C1E for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050209195600.0241e378@64.87.54.245> X-Sender: kimiko@64.87.54.245 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:56:36 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: email acronym primer was: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <200502092246.18462.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <4208CCF0.4080909@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:46 PM 2/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >The one I always forget the meaning of is AFAIK. As Far As I Know is what I've been told. Perhaps there are other meanings? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 9 23:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A4lQ0D005060 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:47:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A4kWZj011357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:46:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A4kPEw016875; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:46:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A4kNCx016856 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.60.159] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cz6De-0003fS-Ea for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01d801c50f2b$74a70380$9f3c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <54.3d9bffe1.2f3c32a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:46:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b2177c6c80d969e9ff1a91a16bb093b0b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.159 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. > Here's the full info: Egan, Geoff, _The Medieval Household: Daily Living c1150-c1450 (Medieval Finds from Excavations in London), Stationary Office, London, UK, 2004 ISBN: 0112904904 Note: The publishing date and ISBN are for the paperback; they may be different for the hardback, which I think is what is actually on order from David Brown. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 00:37:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A5bRnr005220 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:37:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A5aiZj014675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A5aJPg043227; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A5aEaR043072 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A2C731D000D6; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:36:07 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.64]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:36:07 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c50f32$6a0808a0$40542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2005 05:36:07.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B7CCE50:01C50F32] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails from online fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some kind of junkie? And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric for a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone have a suggestion for where to look? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Walker Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now they have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a prepared-for-dying blend of silk and hemp http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Cat egor y_Code=191 and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if any are the one you wanted: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&sub mit= Go Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and things that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for what you want. What kind of silk linen was it you particularly fell in love with? Lauren > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi, > A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com sells > online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. > But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do not > get anything of it back again. > My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? Please tell > me, if you know!!! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 04:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A9f9Fm017553 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A9eEZj028213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A9e6DJ059684; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A9e4tL059662 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:39:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792867@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries thread-index: AcUO3AEJvVgAYOd0S/ORG0C2ueGZrgAeDEOA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Yes - they sell copies of the tapestries (smaller scale) for you to > > hang on your wall > > Thanks! > > Sadly, they're not at the online shop > http://www.vandashop.co.uk -- I've > sent the store an email to ask about them. Next time I see the friend who has one, I'll try and rememebr to ask where she got it from - I'm pretty sure it was the V&A, but I could be wrong. > I suppose one could take a tiny paintbrush and some fabric paint...! If I were to try that, I'd get so far through, have to put it aside for a more urgent deadline and never get abck to it.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 04:51:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A9ppv4020146 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1A9pEZj028715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A9p9CB064474; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1A9p7x8064455 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:51:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:50:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792868@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves thread-index: AcUPNIQ7i9DOhnPKSXOEUpbhNAEXYgAIMhlQ Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on > a Tudor gown, and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I > really like the pin-tucked undersleeves in this image: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg > > But look closely at the elbow. There's a little puff of > fabric there and I'm not sure what it represents. At first I > thought maybe the undersleeve was folded back, like the > sleeve in this image: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > > But then I realized it looks more like another puff of the > chemise sleeve poking out. That seemed reasonable, until I > found this image: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg > > In this picture you see a little fold of fabric back there, > but it's the same fabric as the undersleeve, so it's > obviously not the chemise. > > Here's that Holbein sketch of the More family, in which you > can see what I'm talking about on the woman at the far left. > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg > > Does anyone know what I'm seeing here? It could be either a puff of chemise or a fild of the undersleeve. Is it that umportant - the intacnces where it looks like a puff of undersleeve it looks like the bit where the false undersleeve is fastened around the arm at about elbow level, so it cannot puff out when the elbow is bent, whereas the bit just below itcan, nence the fold of looser fabric with the little bit of tighter showing behind it. I have to say, however, that your first example looks like it may be a puff od chemise sticking out above wehre thefalse sleeve ends at the elbow. Either way, it will move and look different when you are in a different position anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 07:52:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ACquVZ006964 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ACq2Zj008939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ACpWuO045077; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ACpT5A044997 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A8C84F7C0086; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:51:20 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.108 ([209.131.81.108] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Feb 05 12:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c50f6f$5f2872c0$6c5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> <5779.162.119.64.110.1107992407.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:52:24 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of the commercial patterns had these 'tie on pieces'. Very pretty in an artsy fashion, but the designer (?) didn't quite get it right,Imo. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves > > > I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on a Tudor gown, > > and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I really like the pin-tucked > > undersleeves in this image: > > > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg > > When I researched my Tudor gown, I saw what you are seeing. My take on it > was that the "undersleeve" is not really a complete undersleeve. It is an > accent piece that only goes from elbow to wrist and ties on the bottom. > Sort of like a funnel with decorative ties on the bottom. > > Then to keep them in place, I put two ties that tied to two hidden ties > inside the oversleeve. I am not sure if this is historically correct, but > it gave the right look and was logical based on the examples you pointed > out. > > Good luck! > > Diana > > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 08:06:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AD6NW5007018 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AD5bZj009782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:05:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AD5Yex051693; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AD5Xcc051656 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:05:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC1650840092; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:05:26 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.108 ([209.131.81.108] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Feb 05 13:05:25 -0000 Message-ID: <006e01c50f71$5752ea60$6c5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c50f32$6a0808a0$40542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:06:30 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found a nice (looking) one at JoAnn's in the drapery section. It is a rayon and poly blend, but the stripes are 2" wide. I got it in three colors while I could find it. The weight was very good. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:35 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen > Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails from > online fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of > customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric > store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some > kind of junkie? > > And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric for > a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes > that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone > have a suggestion for where to look? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Lauren Walker > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen > > Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now > they > have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk > noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a > prepared-for-dying > blend of silk and hemp > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml > that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends > http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Cat > egor > y_Code=191 > and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if > any > are the one you wanted: > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&sub > mit= > Go > Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and > things > that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for > what > you want. > > What kind of silk linen was it you particularly fell in love with? > Lauren > > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > > Hi, > > A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com > sells > > online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. > > But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do > not > > get anything of it back again. > > My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? > Please tell > > me, if you know!!! > > > > Bjarne > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 08:08:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AD8lSd007032 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AD7dZj009889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AD7cat052760; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AD61iT051872 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 13:05:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050210130614.014a2378@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:07:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves In-Reply-To: <000f01c50f6f$5f2872c0$6c5183d1@rmitchellras> References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> <5779.162.119.64.110.1107992407.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:52 10/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >One of the commercial patterns had these 'tie on pieces'. Very pretty in an >artsy fashion, but the designer (?) didn't quite get it right,Imo. > >Kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Diana Habra" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:40 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves > > > > > > > I have a question for you guys. I'm considering embarking on a Tudor >gown, > > > and I was looking at some sleeve pictures. I really like the pin-tucked > > > undersleeves in this image: > > > > > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg > > > > When I researched my Tudor gown, I saw what you are seeing. My take on it > > was that the "undersleeve" is not really a complete undersleeve. It is an > > accent piece that only goes from elbow to wrist and ties on the bottom. > > Sort of like a funnel with decorative ties on the bottom. > > > > Then to keep them in place, I put two ties that tied to two hidden ties > > inside the oversleeve. I am not sure if this is historically correct, but > > it gave the right look and was logical based on the examples you pointed > > out. You can find patterns and instructions for several variations of this sleeve in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 08:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ADH25l007094 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ADGOZj010376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ADGKEt056895; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ADGILg056861 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:16:04 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:15:16 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw somthing like that in Joann's Fabric in the home dec. and I believe it was 100% cotton - broad stripes of gold green deep red and an accent of deep blue but it was out of my budget at $25 a yard. theresa >>> sandraleigh@abraxis.com 2/9/2005 11:35:59 PM >>> Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails from online fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some kind of junkie? And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric for a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone have a suggestion for where to look? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Walker Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now they have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a prepared-for-dying blend of silk and hemp http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Cat egor y_Code=191 and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if any are the one you wanted: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&sub mit= Go Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and things that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for what you want. What kind of silk linen was it you particularly fell in love with? Lauren > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi, > A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com sells > online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. > But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do not > get anything of it back again. > My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? Please tell > me, if you know!!! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 09:15:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AEFMhm007512 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AEEPZj013948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEEGTG086471; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEEEHl086423 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beae.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.174]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 63C6E47FEF3 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c50f7a$cf21e920$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <038001c50ede$33e4d310$0400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. This is excactly the same thing. Yes it is so lovely, and i love the price two. Who wants to buy expensive silk taffeta, when you can have this? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen >I wonder if you're talking about the same fabric that I got from them and >absolutely fell in love with? It was a silk warp with a linen weft, and >looked like a slubby grosgrain--that may not sound very spectacular, but it >FEELS absolutely wonderful. It's got a lovely sueded feel, doesn't hold >wrinkles, and has a drape to die for. I only bought 7 or 8 yards, and I >want MOREMOREMORE. I got it from their retail store, but I was hoping to >be able to get more from their website, sigh. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 09:19:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AEJoh5007550 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AEJ9Zj014211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEJ8p1088927; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEJ6AY088907 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beae.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.174]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3515E5EE047 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:19:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c50f7b$7f18c150$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:19:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk linnen. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, that was rats they dont send for Europe, what a shame, but if you could help me when they get some, i surelly would like to make you something in return, some embroidery or lace perhaps? I was very surprised to see it with my own eyes. I surely had expected many slopes, but there are only few, and the overall look is very nice. I dont mind it has slightly slopes. Thanks for your generous offer, i shall keep this in mind! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 09:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AEM9ND007565 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:22:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AELVZj014346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AELSmL090097; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AELQv0090079 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beae.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.174]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 501E747FECC for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:21:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c50f7b$d2b3a5f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c50f32$6a0808a0$40542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:21:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Sandra, I would go for Hyena fabrics. I have seen an anglaise dress in person wich was made of their striped taffeta, and it was gorgeous. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen > Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails from > online fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of > customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric > store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some > kind of junkie? > > And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric for > a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes > that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone > have a suggestion for where to look? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Lauren Walker > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:50 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen > > Sometimes http://www.denverfabrics.com has some silk linens (right now > they > have something they call "linen-look silk" which is really a 100% silk > noile, I think) and http://www.dharmatrading.com has a > prepared-for-dying > blend of silk and hemp > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3584-AA.shtml > that's quite charming. Thai silks has some silk-linen blends > http://www.thaisilks.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TS&Cat > egor > y_Code=191 > and fashionfabricsclub.com still has some silk linens, don't know if > any > are the one you wanted: > http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.cfm?Query=silk+linen&sub > mit= > Go > Fashionfabricsclub in particular gets new stuff in all the time, and > things > that you like sometimes show back up, so it's worth watching them for > what > you want. > > What kind of silk linen was it you particularly fell in love with? > Lauren > >> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >> Hi, >> A costumer sended me some of the silk linnen that fashionfabric.com > sells >> online. It is gorgeous, and i could use a lot of that myself. >> But i contakted fashionfabric.com and it is all sold out, and they do > not >> get anything of it back again. >> My question is, are there any other places where they sell this? > Please tell >> me, if you know!!! >> >> Bjarne >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 09:46:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AEkR51007640 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AEjNZj015883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEjJBK002970; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEj2lF002768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1129 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzFYw-0003My-MA for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:44:58 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1AEDlYb070839 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j1AEDlPp070838 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502101413.j1AEDlPp070838@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household In-Reply-To: <01d801c50f2b$74a70380$9f3c9b04@HELENPINTO> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. > > > > Here's the full info: > > Egan, Geoff, _The Medieval Household: Daily Living c1150-c1450 (Medieval > Finds from Excavations in London), Stationary Office, London, UK, 2004 > ISBN: 0112904904 How "picture intensive" are these books (The Medieval Finds from excavations in London)? Do they have lots of pictures or is it mostly text. Thanks Susan/ Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 09:56:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AEuHNi007664 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:56:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AEswZj016743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AEstn5008566; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:54:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AEsqQH008498 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:54:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAY7PLALNMALA for (sender ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:54:34 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhghFfZ9/BkdP8Oqw0Xiq/+6M= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKG294LG; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:54:16 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:27:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Message-ID: <20050210.065352.2908.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:5:277461729 X-MAIL-INFO: 15024e6ffb671a022efb074bba1fcf4eca4b37cfc3ef2ecf770783beeabe7e97df13d3be1a731a9fabdaeedffaabb7d3e7df73b77bc3deb793f3638b038b4f8e0fea9e8bae7fae6ba327e30feba31b9e870f7f1b1f7e072a07135eaa135e97ab5e97ab1f670e3ea702e39ae3fb37333b3fe3efd3f36aea6a8b1e5f8b1ea39e1ea3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Geoff Egan. Arlys On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:44:40 EST Theresathreadgi@aol.com writes: > Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. > > thanks theresa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:04:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AF4dTh007728 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:04:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AF3vZj017513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AF3rYp013972; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AF3ped013943 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:03:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.131.6.239.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([4.131.6.239] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CzFrC-0001sW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: <420B7591.C2BAA334@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:54:09 -0600 From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sign up for their newsletter, every month they have a 40% coupon, and it will tell you when home dec is on sale. Onaree Theresa Threadgill wrote: > > I saw somthing like that in Joann's Fabric in the home dec. and I > believe it was 100% cotton - broad stripes of gold green deep red and an > accent of deep blue but it was out of my budget at $25 a yard. theresa > -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:15:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AFFKvA007802 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AFESZj018281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFEMBv020764; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:14:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AFELNl020745 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:14:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 25015 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 15:21:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:21:30 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1052.24.4.69.40.1108048460.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c50f32$6a0808a0$40542fd8@Sandra> References: <000001c50f32$6a0808a0$40542fd8@Sandra> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails from > online fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of > customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric > store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some > kind of junkie? > > And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric for > a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes > that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone > have a suggestion for where to look? My new brocade supplier sent me samples of a fabric that might work for you. It is 100% cotton and has a nice weight to it. It would be about $21 a yard and that is with very minimal markup, believe it or not. Those fabrics are VERY expensive. I thought that the stores marked them up quite a bit but I guess not. Anyway, I would be happy to send you a picture of one of them. What color scheme are you looking for? I have light blue, light green, tan, golden yellow, pink, and dark pink. They all have small sprigs of pink & dark pink flowers that run vertically. It really is a nice fabric. Let me know off-list if I can send you a picture. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:32:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AFWBEP007953 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:32:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AFVJZj019930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFVGeI031875; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFVDKB031805 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 7.192.393e15da (15887) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.133]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v104.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f420b7e2ced; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:30:52 -0500 From: TeaRoseS@aol.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0B45D1CC.450F05C6.0081E352@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.23.116.42 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, Diana! I'm slightly disappointed that there wasn't any more to those sleeves than that (kind of like finding out how the magician does his tricks), but it will be much easier to wear in the summer that way. Do you recommend any good books or websites for pictures of Tudor costumes? In all the pictures I've found so far, the outer gowns seem to be velvet, which is not good for my budget, and only in red or black. Surely they wore other colors and fabrics? Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:33:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AFXesE007970 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:33:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AFXEZj020128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:33:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFXDjl033167; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFVhDl032214 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.188] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CzGIA-0003Df-3x for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: <013301c50f85$9a232a30$bc399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502101413.j1AEDlPp070838@sabre.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b1deffaa86aa188ea723a064d69c56152350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.188 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan/Jerusha wrote: > How "picture intensive" are these books (The Medieval Finds from > excavations > in London)? Do they have lots of pictures or is it mostly text. I am still waiting for my copy of this one from Amazon, but if it's anything like the others I have from the series, there are lots of pictures of the finds, line drawings, diagrams, charts, etc. in addition to the text. So, I think it's definitely worth it. BTW, Amazon is selling the paperback for $34. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:47:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AFl9tT008056 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:47:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AFkKZj021392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFkEZC042318; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AFkCjH042169 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAZANZAEJPFTS for (sender ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgmrgCS1FLLSZZBUNbgAPO/E= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKG565LE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:45:05 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:44:45 -0800 Message-ID: <20050210.074451.2908.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3825042597 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tapestry info sought X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm interested in learning medieval tapestry techniques. Anyone know of any good websites? Sites for tapestries themselves would be very appreciated too. :-) thanks! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 10:50:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AFo3rA008070 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AFnBZj021694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFnBkQ044524; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AFn7vJ044460 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:47:50 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979286E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] silk linnen thread-index: AcUPhGzEQ/p0BRKPQYmzSBX7fy7ePgAAx00Q Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric > > for a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad > > stripes that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does > > anyone have a suggestion for where to look? > > My new brocade supplier sent me samples of a fabric that > might work for you. It is 100% cotton and has a nice weight > to it. It would be about $21 a yard and that is with very > minimal markup, believe it or not. Those fabrics are VERY > expensive. I thought that the stores marked them up quite a > bit but I guess not. > > Anyway, I would be happy to send you a picture of one of them. > > What color scheme are you looking for? I have light blue, > light green, tan, golden yellow, pink, and dark pink. They > all have small sprigs of pink & dark pink flowers that run > vertically. It really is a nice fabric. Let me know > off-list if I can send you a picture. If it weren't for the price tag and the probable weight of the fabric you've cdescribed I'd think it was the stuff I bought last summer for about 4 quid a metre in a shirt-weight for making an 18th century gown for a doll. I bought the light-blue version but haven't gtten around to using it yet. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 11:03:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AG3Nvu008166 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:03:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AG2LZj023077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AG1l4E054343; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AFxMTX052471 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2005 15:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <420B84D9.4000405@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:59:21 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household References: <4.2.2.20050209135100.00d9ec40@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050209135100.00d9ec40@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joan Jurancich wrote: > Just looked at this new listing from David Brown Book Company (American > associate of Oxbow Books in UK). Looks interesting-- > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/17847 It is good. I have an original hardcover from many years ago. My favorite section is the one on toys. (gosh, I hope I am thinking of the right book) liz young, in a grad student foggg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:16:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHGCoY008959 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHDgZj000953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHDURE012751; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHDQ9j012703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1AHDQQg007651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:13:26 -0500 Message-ID: <420B9636.4090403@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:13:26 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor sleeves References: <0B45D1CC.450F05C6.0081E352@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0B45D1CC.450F05C6.0081E352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: >Do you recommend any good books or websites for pictures of Tudor costumes? In all the pictures I've found so far, the outer gowns seem to be velvet, which is not good for my budget, and only in red or black. Surely they wore other colors and fabrics? > > > Wool, definitely wool. In browns, dark green, black, murrey (deep brownish? plum), tawney (mustardy golden brown) and dark red. Several of the images at the Tudor Gown site show these colors in wool. Given the trade relations with Flanders, some of the images at the beginning of the 16th century (esp. by Gerard David as seen here: http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/sca/15th/index.html) might be useful indicators of popular colors (with all the usual caveats about artistic license, paint colors vs. dye colors, etc.) There's still some wool gabardine on sale at http://www.fabricmartfabrics.com/worsted_wool_gabardine.htm for $3.99/yd. The cocoon brown might be a little on the taupe side. Another listing says Forest Green but is showing a royal blue image. If it is actually the forest green, and it's the same one I just got, I can tell you it is very dark, and a nice weight, though I will line it to give it a bit more body. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:21:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHLY8u009018 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:21:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHKhZj001709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:20:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHKbie019072; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHKW6n018776 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 17315179DCE; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:20:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust73.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.73]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 72E9B179E63 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <004801c50f94$e463cf50$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003f01c50ed9$69a8a800$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><038001c50ede$33e4d310$0400a8c0@compaqub> <001601c50f7a$cf21e920$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:20:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi. > This is excactly the same thing. > Yes it is so lovely, and i love the price two. > Who wants to buy expensive silk taffeta, when you can have this? Well, Robin would probably spot it first if they get this fabric, but if I see it I'll be happy to get some for you, as well, or at least let Robin know it's there. I warn you, though, I have to buy some of it for ME too! =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:22:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHM9en009025 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:22:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHLJZj001790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHLIut019654; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHKqBg019301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1AHKqUQ008879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <420B97F4.1090507@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:20:52 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: >But then I realized it looks more like another puff of the chemise sleeve poking out. That seemed reasonable, until I found this image: > >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg > > I wouldn't be surprised to find that the puffs pulled out from the false lower sleeve are themselves false, and not actually part of the shirt. In several of the paintings the material of the puffs does not seem to match that of the shift border that shows at the neckline. In fact, in the later fashion where the upper arm is so tight and the lower arm/false undersleeve is so large, this seems even more likely. The portrait of the young Elizabeth is the most useful example: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:25:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHPxXM009043 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:25:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHOwZj002251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHOvwA022774; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHOqq5022712 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:24:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:24:40 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:24:18 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you so much decided that I really needed this perticular book for my library. It will help me try to be more in period with the SCA theresa >>> cley@juno.com 2/10/2005 8:27:06 AM >>> Geoff Egan. Arlys On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:44:40 EST Theresathreadgi@aol.com writes: > Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. > > thanks theresa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:45:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHjVqo009139 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHibZj004360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHiXPN039620; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AHiT6w039476 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37999 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 17:44:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210174424.37997.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.144.200] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:44:24 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:44:24 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050210.074451.2908.7.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cynthia J Ley wrote: SNIP Sites for tapestries themselves would be very appreciated too. :-) thanks! Arlys INPUT Hmm, I'd also be very inetersted in MANUFACTURERS' sites for repro-tapestries. Just like - I assume - a large number of other medieval re-enactors who have their own pavillions of varying sizes, - and also like the various SCA Shires and Kingdoms that are fortunate enough to have feast-halls they can regularly use, - I want to be able to "dress" the walls with period-style hangings. And in 2 years of research all I have so far managed to add to my Favourites Files are the URL's for a number of UK and US-based *retail outlets* that are offering repro-medieval tapestries - at prices which I cannot afford. Since the same repro-tapestries appear "on-offer" at so many of these websites, obviously these Sellers are not themselves the Manufacturers. In general terms, buying direct from a manufactuirer is very-ofetn *mcu cheaper* because you avoid the mark-ups of a number of "middlemen". >From what I have seen of UK-based re-enactors, - and from what I have read on the on-line medieval-interest Lists to which I subscribe, - those of us who follow re-enactment as a hobby/pastime - [all-it-what-you-will]..... are all trying to make every Dollar/£GB do the work of 2 [or more]. Now, from the Lists to which i subscribe I get the feeling that tens of thousands of us are deeply involved in re-enactment. As many, many of you freely share your ways of buying things - and doing things - with the rest of us - so that we, too, can keep our costs down. I'd hazard a guess that such repro-medieval weaving work is actually done in countries with low labour costs - such as India, or Pakistan - or China. Contacting such foreign Manufacturers to "buy direct" is all a part of normal commercial "buyer-choice", isn't it? The trick is finding those producers in the first instance. So, isn't there *anyone" out there who can suggest how those of us who would like repro-medieval; tapestries - can deal direct with the Manufacturers - wherever they may be? With 17 Kingdoms worldwide, interacting online, you'd think that there must be at least a few SCAdians who might be able to help the rest of us to reduce our costs over this item. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 12:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AHw6Fx009201 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AHvMZj006033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHvGtP050243; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AHvBgQ050163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1AHoIov025202 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:50:18 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:50:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420BA075.7060504@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:57:09 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought References: <20050210174424.37997.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210174424.37997.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have considered having a cloth tapestry-image banner *printed* by a signmaker. The cost for something about 3' x 5' would be in the $500 range -- much cheaper, and much better image resolution than any woven small tapestry you will see. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on shirts, mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 14:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AJ4jWV009492 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AJ3AZj012272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:03:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AJ0vJe002701; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AIvxhO099929 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 28224 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 18:57:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210185751.28222.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.144.200] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:57:51 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:57:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <420BA075.7060504@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Lady Cynthia, that's a very good idea - I believe it to be the process by which "Past Times" [ www.past-times.com] in the UK has produced a couple of medieval-style "throws" these past 2 years [both of which I've bought for use by our Companie]. One - the "Mille-Fleurs" throw - is still listed in their current Catalogue - item #65-450 - the throw is 100% cotton, 65"W. x 90"L and retails at £30GB. The current "Past Times" catalogue also contains a panelled, solid mahogany, many-drawered Tudor-style table/cum chest - with brass handles item 65-391; - red & pink 17th C.- "Crewel-work" style throw, cushions, and cotton-printed curtains - items #64-798/64-797/64796; and finally a nice "16thC-spirit" repro- "Oxford trunk Settle", in dark-stained acacia wood - item # 65-392. The "medieval jewellery" Page in the "Past Times" catalogue has some attractive pieces at costume-jewellery-level prices, too. Since I have had so much friendly help from so many Listers, I would be prpeared - if anyone wants any of these items - to visit the St. Helier "Past Times" shop for them, and buy & ship on their behalf. Cynthia Virtue wrote: I have considered having a cloth tapestry-image banner *printed* by a signmaker. The cost for something about 3' x 5' would be in the $500 range -- much cheaper, and much better image resolution than any woven small tapestry you will see. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on shirts, mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 14:33:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AJXTF4009603 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AJWrZj015308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:32:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AJWb78030967; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AItj3l098238 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E954247A for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420BAE1B.1020302@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:55:23 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves References: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > There's a little puff of fabric there and I'm not sure what it represents. It's the chemise sleeve poking through the slit oversleeve. The slit appears to run along the outside/bottom of the arm, past the elbow. > > In this picture you see a little fold of fabric back there, but it's the same fabric as the undersleeve, so it's obviously not the chemise. It's the other side of the undersleeve. Imagine a tea towel draped over your arm. You can see the corner of the front, and the corner of the back peeking around it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 14:37:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AJbrpB009618 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AJavZj015736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:36:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AJasea034594; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AJFgVh016348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1AJ8nov027698 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:08:49 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:08:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420BB2DC.5000401@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:15:40 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought References: <20050210185751.28222.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210185751.28222.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO re: Past Times They send their catalog around the US, too, with local prices & shipping. Thank you for the offer, though! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on shirts, mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 15:00:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AK0wZW009765 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AJxxZj018034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AJxqMB053542; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AJxO1f053152 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:59:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 36374 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 19:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210195918.36372.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:18 EST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502101917.j1AJHcg6018017@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julian, A few years ago my village had a run of custom designed, reversable woven tapestry throw blankets made by a local manufacturer. I think the Business Committee retailed the throws for about $50. CDN off the top of my head. I know the lady whom arranged it for the Committee and have left her a message for the name and number of the company, if she still has it and the company is still in business. I think there was a minimum run for the initial set up - what it was I don't know, and after that minimum run orders of 30 or 50. I'll get the details when I know more. As soon as I know, I'll let you know what's going on. Come to think of it - it would make a very cool fundraising project to have Kingdom throw blankets woven. Kathy > Hmm, I'd also be very inetersted in MANUFACTURERS' > sites for repro-tapestries. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 15:24:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AKOLsU009967 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AKMSZj020461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AKMLqJ072310; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AKMHgO072166 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:22:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48625 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 20:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210202212.48623.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.144.200] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:22:11 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:22:11 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050210195918.36372.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathy Page wrote:Julian, A few years ago my village had a run of custom designed, reversable woven tapestry throw blankets made by a local manufacturer. I think the Business Committee retailed the throws for about $50. CDN off the top of my head. I know the lady whom arranged it for the Committee and have left her a message for the name and number of the company, if she still has it and the company is still in business. I think there was a minimum run for the initial set up - what it was I don't know, and after that minimum run orders of 30 or 50. I'll get the details when I know more. As soon as I know, I'll let you know what's going on. Come to think of it - it would make a very cool fundraising project to have Kingdom throw blankets woven. Kathy RESPONSE Dear Kathy, thank you for your prompt reply. I shall be most interested and would very much like for you to keep me posted on this. I certainly wouldn't mind doing a bulk order for the quantities you mention, because such things are unobtainable in the UK unless either from Past Times' offers, or very expemsive small tapestries - so a run of inexpensive copies of medieval tapestries in sizes that would be at least 6ft high - the height of the avergae pavillion to the eaves - would probably sell quite well. I suspect a number of re-enactors would be quite pleased to have these as a way of brightening those featurelss internal walls of their pavillions especially when having the tent flaps turned back so that passersby can see the tent furnishings. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 15:38:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AKcj86010081 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:38:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AKcFZj021999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AKZnGV083762; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:36:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AKZ4Di083141 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 50968 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 20:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210203458.50966.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:57 EST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] On the hunt for fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was at my local Fabricland the other day and ran into a lovely find - I just wish I found more of it. It's a wool/silk/linen blend, smooth and soft with what looks like a 2/1 twill weave. It was listed on the bolt as "Whitney Collection". They had it on clearance for $4/metre. I was surprised I had never seen this before that day (I know the place better than some employees do.*grin*). I could only get a couple of metres of it and in a light grey. Anyone runs across more of this and in different colours, please let me know. ******** On that note, I was rummaging some old files and came across something I think everyone here can appreciate - >From The Brantford Expositor August 28, 1998 written by Dorothy Balsdon, quoted from The Dispatch, whom quoted theirs from the Beeline, Nov. 1991: 15 Reasons for Buying Fabric 1. It insulates the closet where it is kept. 2. It helps keep the economy going. It is our patriotic duty to support cotton farmers, textle mills and quilt shops. 3. It is less expensive and more fun than psychiatric care. 4. Because it is on sale. 5. A sudden increase in the boll weevil population might wipe out the cotton crop for the next 10 years. 6. I'm participating in a contest - the one who dies with the most fabric wins. 7. It keeps without refrigeration; you don't have to cook it to enjoy it; you never have to feed it, change it, wipe its nose or walk it. 8. I need extra weight in the trunk of my car for traction on snowy, icy roads. This is important even in Florida or California - you never know when the weather will change. 9. Because I'm worth it. 10. Like dust, it's good for protecting previously empty spaces in the house, like the ironing board, laundry hamper, dining room table... 11. When the Big Earthquake comes, all the quilt shops might be swallowed into the ground and never be seen again. 12. Stress from dealing with the Fabric Control Officer (my Husband[wife/SO]) made me do it. 13. It's not immoral, illegal or fattening. It calms the nerves, gratifies the soul and makes me feel good. 14. Buy it now, before your husband[wife/SO] retires and goes with you on all your shopping expeditions. 15. A yard/metre a day is all the quilt shops of America/Canada ask. I think costumers could add a few more to the list of compulsive excuses. :-) And on that note, I am off to find banner silk. *big grin* Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 15:47:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AKlRmS010124 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AKidad022748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:46:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AKgcn0089629; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AKfEar088345 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 85499 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 20:41:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050210204108.85497.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:41:08 EST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portugese Middle Ages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had a call from a potential client interested in a medieval/middle ages/somewhere in there Portugese woman's ensemble. I know there is one book of hours tht is right time or place, but I can't get any usable images from it. Does anyone have it, or other images usable to establish silhouette and style? Thanks, Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 16:45:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ALjqdq010437 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:45:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ALigZj028987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ALiFmj041253; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ALiBSA041116 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail31.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.171]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAZXM2AZE8LRA for (sender ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7+iQXXyRJlyrzJXNf1j5D0NhSMbxU6GNrg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail31.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKHSMWC5; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:42:40 PST Received: from [4.158.21.108] by webmail31.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:42:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.21.108] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:42:39 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050210.134240.21230.133017@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2693836053 X-MAIL-INFO: 0c78e5bd087901418d3c08791d3c952df9a5b98d4c3df9a55875cdb9f9a531b991819d7c89059528a81c28d818b525ecfc25d5e955b1d578fc7dfc48697168087115896c298df9293c1d0ca53c41f9e1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design Toscano' that does a variety of historically inspired house and garden items. They have a pretty decent selection of tapestries. http://www.designtoscano.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=98&iMainCat=98&iSubCat=98 No connection, just a happy customer. The physical stores are evil! Karen Bergquist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 16:59:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ALxc5a010538 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:59:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ALxBZj000773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ALx7YR053861; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ALx5wT053609 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 995831386D2; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust43.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.43]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA3C813861E for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:58:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00ae01c50fbb$cfc592a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050210195918.36372.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:59:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In one of my previous day jobs, I actually did a design for a woven tapestry throw like this--I think our company charged somewhere between $40-$50 USD each for the finished product, which was a pretty large size (5 feet square sticks in my head, but it's been a while). I did the design in a vector-based graphics program; I'm not absolutely certain that it had to be vector-based, but if so, that means that you couldn't just have them directly copy a photo. However, there are programs that can turn a photo into a vector graphic--you lose a good bit of detail, but you would have lost a lot of detail anyway, since the throws are pretty coarsely woven. Relatively simple unshaded designs, such as heraldry, would translate wonderfully into vector-based graphics. In other words, it's theoretically very possible; you'd probably have to order a minimum of a dozen or more of the throws, and it wouldn't be very authentic looking _up close_, but it would look very nice from a distance at something like 1/10 of the cost. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 17:14:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AMEkAl010627 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AME7Zj002165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AME3QL066428; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AMDt2R066325 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:14:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBP007WHV312R@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.74]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:13:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:13:49 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen To: Historical Costume Message-id: <59ccfc5a1305.5a130559ccfc@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where I used to live the people at Jo-Anns and the 3 Local Yarn Stores knew me by sight. Of course I mostly went to drool at Jo-Anns, but when I bought it was only 1/8 - 1/4 yd pieces. I was into patchwork 'scrap' quilting and didn't need any more than that. And the yarn stores knew I was mostly just drooling - but would buy something in quantity of 5 or 6 skeins if it was 'just right' Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Olsen > Am I the only person who is horribly embarrassed by getting emails > fromonline fabric shops saying "thank you for being in our top 10% of > customers"... and being recognized by every clerk at the local fabric > store? Is it just that other people don't sew very often, or am I some > kind of junkie? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 17:17:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AMHCIT010649 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AMEfZt002228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:16:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ALqbsD048597; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ALqTTD048478 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 11793 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2005 21:59:40 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:59:40 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:52:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1050.24.4.69.40.1108072348.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979286E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979286E@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] silk linnen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > If it weren't for the price tag and the probable weight of the fabric > you've cdescribed I'd think it was the stuff I bought last summer for > about 4 quid a metre in a shirt-weight for making an 18th century gown > for a doll. I bought the light-blue version but haven't gtten around to > using it yet. The stuff I have is woven which is why it is more expensive, I am sure. And it is a "decorator" fabric which means they can charge more. It really makes me mad that they gouge customers like that. It can't possibly be that much more expensive to have a pattern programmed and some different threads! Sigh..... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 17:17:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AMHGlE010652 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:17:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AMGWZj002400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:16:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AMGSOC068422; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:16:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AMGQjv068321 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:16:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1600F4247A for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420BDD25.8020003@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:05 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries References: <20050210.134240.21230.133017@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210.134240.21230.133017@webmail31.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design Toscano' that does a variety of historically inspired house and garden items. They have a pretty decent selection of tapestries. > > http://www.designtoscano.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=98&iMainCat=98&iSubCat=98 > I got an email from them earlier in the week announcing a half-price sale if the tapestries are bought through the online store: http://link.ixs1.net/s/lt?id=k116083&si=v62689326&pc=h2&ei=451580 Still too expensive for me, though. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 17:26:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1AMQmdx010715 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:26:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1AMQIZj003458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:26:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1AMQFUf077004; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web53203.mail.yahoo.com (web53203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1AMQCdl076897 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28272 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2005 22:26:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sDBB/op5Zcv8fIFQJL5nz8lEUfAQl1EyvmZdKyt1iAja+UFloTjkDRxjU9Er1xYDcgmIyFz1yCMc+MHJqapTwTCIVa/YaXNiNWaaKnfosFkOYBgLlqcPEMvy5EMm/EdamXJGYXqvAVIVrsU/Khe2a/4TmDke7B0pSMwOL+lJcks= ; Message-ID: <20050210222606.28270.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.9.223.21] by web53203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:06 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I'm pretty new here and I'm spending money... had to have the book... and few others while I was there... and Hope mentioned the wool gaberdine at FabricMart (my favorite fabric site that I've been avoiding lately) and I had to get some for a couple of viking dresses I've been wanting to make... But you know, I needed a good place to spend my money... Thanks! Gytha Theresa Threadgill wrote: Thank you so much decided that I really needed this perticular book for my library. It will help me try to be more in period with the SCA theresa >>> cley@juno.com 2/10/2005 8:27:06 AM >>> Geoff Egan. Arlys On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:44:40 EST Theresathreadgi@aol.com writes: > Who is the author of this book? Found several with this title. > > thanks theresa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 18:18:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ANI2rd011041 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ANGwZj008565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ANGgU7018535; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ANG749017937 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ANFwJB006801 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:45:58 +1030 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ANFvtA006781 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:45:58 +1030 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:45:57 +1030 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D052350667EFB0@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:45:29 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The medieval Household X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Amazon has it currently at $34 US, down from $50. They've had it a while, I got my copy there. (For the lower price. :-) Rebecca > From: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household > I have had a copy since it was released. I can't recommend it > highly enough. > > Glenda. > > > It's supposed to be fabulous. As we speak, I am waiting for > my copy to > > arrive. The book's been remaindered--it was $100, down to half that. > > > > I can hardly wait. :) > > > > Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 18:59:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ANxhqp011244 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:59:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ANwrZj013221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:58:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ANvjWi051566; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ANv7rb051075 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBAZ7GGAN2XRR2 for (sender ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhglnxjLyU+EOEEurh3FpqCy4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKH2AXWN; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:56:30 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:53:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought Message-ID: <20050210.155531.696.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 9:4:2909084168 X-MAIL-INFO: 3f64cd2020f1f9e150c9450050a9357059494924a4a9943574c994b49ddd99408921993094dd7d557d6d194d29e99195cdcd015585300441e9557104092514b56085c025bd60f10571600d09d93d753d4d909144cd3de9b0e98164ad3591e464f0cdd191b0f0c4f1e5f0496100c919c9a931997524c9a489a45065b49d99d465dd24b99989ddb509819509a510294420e52964e9e090d911c101b911bdb5d9050d0504d5b0a9d02dc975752051d0995124a431fd6df431941dd1f96dd4edd440c42140c43041c43041f9e48da9c959b139b175b435d0a4b19445d914a114b905f5b90509d50509 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I want to learn how to do them. :) Arlys On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:57:09 -0500 Cynthia Virtue writes: > I have considered having a cloth tapestry-image banner *printed* by a > > signmaker. The cost for something about 3' x 5' would be in the > $500 > range -- much cheaper, and much better image resolution than any > woven > small tapestry you will see. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on > shirts, > mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: > http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 19:10:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B0ABaJ011294 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:10:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B09SZj014116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B09PMZ060326; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B094dS060013 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B08xJB018286 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:38:59 +1030 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B08vt9018267 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:38:57 +1030 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:38:56 +1030 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D052350667EFB2@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:36:07 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: The Medieval Household X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO BTW, Amazon is selling the > paperback for > $34. > -Helen/Aidan > When I looked on Amazon, it was the Hardcover that was $34 (down from $50). My copy is definitely hardcover. Rebecca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 20:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B1nT6w011823 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B1maZj022378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B1mRsV023531; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from krwoodworks.com (krwoodworks.com [65.18.190.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B1mG5K023355 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mara@rileyhome.net) Received: from LINDO3.rileyhome.net (pcp04325862pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net [68.49.7.219]) (authenticated) by krwoodworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1B1lqe16257; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050210204247.00aa3968@mail.rileyhome.net> X-Sender: mara@mail.rileyhome.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:46:12 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1B1mG5K023355 Cc: historian@reconstructinghistory.com Subject: [h-cost] Workshop in Williamsburg: Building a 17th c. Man's Doublet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got the following announcement; the workshop is being coordinated by Burnley and Trowbridge. http://www.burnleyandtrowbridge.com/ Thought I'd pass it on... Cheers, Mara ======================================== Building a Man’s Doublet Brenda Rosseau, Supervisor of Research and Design at Colonial Williamsburg’s Costume Design Center will lead the class in a 2 day workshop teaching the fundamentals of drafting and fitting an individual body block to create an early 17th century man’s doublet or jerkin. From the customized personal body block muslin will be constructed, fit and a pattern developed to create the doublet. Period correct materials, construction techniques and design will be reviewed. This class requires previous sewing experience – both machine and hand construction. Participants will be provided with muslin, drafting paper, pins and drafting curves but will be required to bring scissors, measuring tape, 18” ruler, sewing machines, notions, fabric and lining for the doublet. A detailed list will be provided to participants. If you are building this doublet for someone other than yourself, your model must be available for fittings on Saturday afternoon. If you prefer to build to a form – standard sized forms 38 and 44 will be available. Kingswood Clubhouse Williamsburg, Virginia ddfee Saturday, March 5th, 2005 Registration 8:30 Class 9:30 am till 5:00 pm Sunday, March 6th, 2005 Class 9:30 am till 3:00 pm Cost of this 2-day workshop is $125.00 This includes morning coffee and pastries and a cold lunch buffet both days. A confirmation package will be sent to you upon acceptance of your registration, which will include directions, suggested lodging, and details. Class size will be limited to 12 participants Registration Deadline February 18, 2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 22:25:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B3PZfW012305 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B2WIZj025823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B2W8u9048683; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B2W5li048589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:32:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B3gncH025821 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:42:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: email acronym primer was: Re: [h-cost] Wives of Henry VIII Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:31:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050209195600.0241e378@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050209195600.0241e378@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502102131.58028.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 09 February 2005 10:56 pm, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 10:46 PM 2/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >The one I always forget the meaning of is AFAIK. > > As Far As I Know is what I've been told. Perhaps there are other meanings? I don't know, but that sounds familiar. Thanks! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 10 22:52:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B3q7oe012426 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:52:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B3pNZj001677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B3pFsj095218; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B3pDIm095126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.19] (acty1019.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.19]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1B3p437015629 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <420C2BA5.4070001@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:51:01 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portugese Middle Ages References: <20050210204108.85497.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050210204108.85497.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Kathy. If you can convince her of a bit later period (1480-1530, end of the Medieval, beginning of the Renaissance), there is an entire book on the subject entitled Hispanic Costume by Ruth Matilda Anderson 1979 Hispanic Society of America ISBN 87535-126-3 and the Trachtenbuch by Christoph Weiditz 1529 Dover 1994 ISBN 0-486-2797508 has many images (not specifically Portuguese except for image CLIV) that give lots of differing styles. There are a few images of Hispanic women's dress of the 12th/13th Cents. in Davenport. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Good Luck, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 02:46:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B7khHv025359 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:46:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B7jhZj018559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B7jYfn031978; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B7jVsw031942 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:45:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13020 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:57:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:57:43 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: The Medieval Household In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Given the interest in this book and others like it, now might be a good time to mention that Boydell & Brewer, the publisher that has re-issued the Museum of London Series, has a section on its website highlighting the books from its list that are of particular interest to re-enactors. You can find the index page here: http://www.boydellandbrewer.com/react.htm ... or reach it from the main B&B page. Yes, I have a personal interest: B&B is my publisher also, and you'll find the Medieval Clothing & Textiles journal among the featured items, along with Gale Owen-Crocker's "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England." (I see that they don't have everything I expected listed there, though. If you're looking for material culture, it's worth a swing through the Archaeology section, which includes some things I wouldn't have thought to find under that category...) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 03:19:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B8JRi9003368 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:19:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B8IbZj020139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B8IXkb050473; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1B8IEcJ050183 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 08:18:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211081705.014a2bc8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:19:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Rather O.T. about irons. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have just been given a Tefal iron that works from a separate reservoir. However, as it was got cheap, there is no instruction manual. Does anyone here have one or similar, and could advise please? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 03:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B8eACw008033 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:40:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B8dPZj021230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B8c11r061170; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1B8aoQC060688 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2005 08:36:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211083704.014a2d38@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:38:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rather O.T. about irons - now not needed!! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050211081705.014a2bc8@127.0.0.1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:19 11/02/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have just been given a Tefal iron that works from a separate reservoir. >However, as it was got cheap, there is no instruction manual. Does anyone >here have one or similar, and could advise please? > >Suzi Please ignore - thank goodness for the Internet - just downloaded full instructions - no need for help! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 04:30:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B9UCPt019552 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B9TAZj023100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B9T2Li089460; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B9T0AT089351 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:28:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979286F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves thread-index: AcUPpwUVx0bxxkCDTJqeNU9JO42UGQAdDlRg Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I wouldn't be surprised to find that the puffs pulled out from the false > lower sleeve are themselves false, and not actually part of the shirt. > In several of the paintings the material of the puffs does not seem to > match that of the shift border that shows at the neckline. In fact, in > the later fashion where the upper arm is so tight and the lower > arm/false undersleeve is so large, this seems even more likely. The > portrait of the young Elizabeth is the most useful example: > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg Hope may well be right - there are several paintings witht he "stiff" looking lower sleeves that look as though the puffs are dalse (one of Mary shows flat blackworked bits instead fo the puffs around the wrist and you can see where some of them have been folded under at the edge and sewn down on the outside of the false sleeve, indicating that they are seperate pieces. On the Elizabeth picture if you look closely at her left wrist (the viewer's right) you can see what might be a bracelet or might be the cuff of anoher layer of sleeve between the smock cuff and the cuff of the stiff false-sleeve... if it is the cuff of yet another layer of sleeve, it's another indicator that those puffs are false. The reason I didn't mention it for the previously cited examples with the pleated sleeves is that they are earlier, and the outer sleeves are looser in the upper arm, so there's a possibility the style hasn't progressed to the point where false puffs were needed. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 04:57:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1B9v48b028161 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:57:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1B9uJZj024131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B9uD1I003769; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1B9uBiX003734 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:56:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:55:55 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792871@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries thread-index: AcUP3SjozCDfQWjVQFyX5rffIShgHAAQnvPA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design Toscano' > that does a variety of historically inspired house and garden > items. They have a pretty decent selection of tapestries. > > http://www.designtoscano.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID > =98&iMainCat=98&iSubCat=98 Some lovely tapestries, but, judging by the 14th and 15th century examples they are all done in the colours the originals have faded to now instead of the colours they would have been when new.... Such a waste. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 05:03:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BA3QVf028881 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BA1GZj024593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BA1FtV006739; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BA1Dcw006715 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 03:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:00:59 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792872@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes thread-index: AcUP3SjozCDfQWjVQFyX5rffIShgHAAQsbnA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > If it weren't for the price tag and the probable weight of the fabric > > you've cdescribed I'd think it was the stuff I bought last summer for > > about 4 quid a metre in a shirt-weight for making an 18th century gown > > for a doll. I bought the light-blue version but haven't gotten around to > > using it yet. > > The stuff I have is woven which is why it is more expensive, I am sure. The stuff I have is woven. It's probably the lighter-weigth adn smaller scale that make the difference.... this stuff is the ideal scale for large dolls 18th century, though it was among the woven cotton summer-dressmaking fabrics in a department store. I really only bought it becasue it was perfect for an 18th century gown even thoguh I had no plans to make opne before I saw it and still ahven't gotten around to doing so (that could be due to the doll I would be making the gown for being in Chicago while I'm in London, but knowing my lack of ability to get around to stuff, I could be wrong there....) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 08:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BDlVfe015183 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:47:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BDk6Zj019110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BDjs7R026321; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BDjpQ8026205 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.21]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050211134541.EJOI4937.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:45:41 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050211072314.01dd93c8@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:45:38 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NESAT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Since several of you were quite helpful when I was trying to locate NESAT 1, 2 and 3 (though I still haven't been able to get them as yet), I thought that you would like to know that NESAT 4 and 5 are still available (DBBC and Oxbow) NESAT 6 is out of print (If enought contact ark.bookshop@archaeology.gu.se they might consider reprinting) Northern Archaeological Textiles: NESAT VII: Textile Symposium in Edinburgh, 5th-7th May 1999 Edited by Frances Pritchard and John Peter Wild ISBN 1842171623. Hardback. Publishers price US $50.00, DBBC Price US $40.00 (delivery this May in USA) NESAT 8 will be printed in late March, price and release date to be determined. I will keep you posted when it becomes available. Again, thanks for all the help. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 09:45:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BEj8Kv015504 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BEhMZj022558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:43:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BEhG3Y060833; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BEh9xK060765 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.184]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DD1547FE3C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:43:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000a01c51048$03066e50$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:43:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] womans mantle /domino X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am off to buy some wool flannel for the mantle i want to make for my niece. My question is, could i use a pattern i have of a mantle from colonial williamsburg? I am a little afraid that the hood is two small, i want it to have space for the hat. Could i just increase the height of the hood, and make some more pleats in the back? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 10:18:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BFIMAr015729 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BFEiaX024948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BErYfA068447; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BErWUu068391 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D12065EE074 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c51049$76a68a10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:53:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] womans mantle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh and i forgot also to ask you, would it be odd to use the leftover of silk taffeta (purple) that i used for the pink dress, if i made a pleated trimming on the black wool mantle? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 10:39:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BFdCjc015848 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BFcZZj027182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:38:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BFbnGT002259; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1BFbhk8002169 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-17827); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:37:30 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:37:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050211073634.00d8c7c0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:37:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mantle In-Reply-To: <001701c51049$76a68a10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:53 PM 2/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Oh and i forgot also to ask you, would it be odd to use the leftover of >silk taffeta (purple) that i used for the pink dress, if i made a pleated >trimming on the black wool mantle? > >Bjarne It sounds wonderful. And I hope your niece appreciates the talent of her uncle in making this lovely outfit. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 10:53:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BFre1I015945 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BFr6Zj028997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BFqQLr014701; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from delivery.infowest.com (delivery.infowest.com [204.17.177.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BFqE1p014480 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaines@infowest.com) Received: from homesanders (209-33-202-46.dantooine-h2.d3c.infowest.net [209.33.202.46]) by delivery.infowest.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EA04E7A792 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:53:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001c01c51051$a680c720$2eca21d1@homesanders> From: "Blaine Sanders" To: References: <200502110153.j1B1qk7C026060@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:52:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 97 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings! I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their chemise? I realize that there weren't many women accompanying the trappers/traders/goldminers, etc. But surely there were some. It seems that the rest of the people in our group are having the same problem locating information, since most of them are just wearing thrown-together outfits that don't seem to match the era. Any help would be appreciated. Blaine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 11:08:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BG8kex016077 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:08:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BG7sZj000610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:07:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BG7jHE027630; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1BG7fus027551 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-24348); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:07:28 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:07:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050211080247.00da23c0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:07:33 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich In-Reply-To: <001c01c51051$a680c720$2eca21d1@homesanders> References: <200502110153.j1B1qk7C026060@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840, Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 97 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:52 AM 2/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings! > >I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our >local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, >we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the >period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can >find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back >then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their >chemise? > >I realize that there weren't many women accompanying the >trappers/traders/goldminers, etc. But surely there were some. It seems >that the rest of the people in our group are having the same problem >locating information, since most of them are just wearing thrown-together >outfits that don't seem to match the era. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Blaine Blaine, There is an email list specifically focused on the fur trade era in Canada and the US. It is h-voyageur@yahoogroups.com. Costume questions for women are one of the areas that are discussed frequently, since there is so little information available. If you have problems finding the list, email me directly and I will put you in touch. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 11:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BGBa0x016088 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:11:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BGAbZj000902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:10:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BGAai7030053; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:7P8XVUC43HvU+h0QgQBP9aXk74uTh3Y7@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BGAXo9029881 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:10:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j1BGAQAe005295 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0500 Received: from 51-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.51]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60259.64.156.242.51.1108138226.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001701c51049$76a68a10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001701c51049$76a68a10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mantle From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, Instead of a hood, how about a calash? They were frequently green, but if you're going for a fantasy sort of look anyway the purple silk miht look good. -Carol > Oh and i forgot also to ask you, would it be odd to use the leftover of > silk taffeta (purple) that i used for the pink dress, if i made a pleated > trimming on the black wool mantle? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 11:34:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BGYbw1020587 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BGXsZj003406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:33:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BGXosr051152; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:33:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BGXikA051008 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C5B655EE055 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:33:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000901c51057$72de7d30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c51049$76a68a10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <60259.64.156.242.51.1108138226.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mantle Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:33:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Carol. Yes a calsh would be great, but i only have few days left to sew, and a calash is two time consuming. Also a Calash would not be big enough for the hat, they were only used to protect the hair i think. Bjarne who now goes in and make the pattern cut of the matntle Black woll flannel. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mantle > Hi Bjarne, > > Instead of a hood, how about a calash? They were frequently green, > but if you're going for a fantasy sort of look anyway the purple silk > miht look good. > > -Carol > >> Oh and i forgot also to ask you, would it be odd to use the leftover of >> silk taffeta (purple) that i used for the pink dress, if i made a pleated >> trimming on the black wool mantle? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 12:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BHCY4Q029751 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BHBQZj007462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BHATuY083840; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1BH7wvd081264 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4833 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 17:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20050211170752.4831.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.140.217] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:07:52 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:07:52 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <420BDD25.8020003@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote:seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design Toscano' that SNIP-have a pretty decent selection of tapestries.SNIP I got an email from them earlier in the week announcing a half-price sale if the tapestries are bought through the online store:SNIP http://link.ixs1.net/s/lt?id=k116083&si=v62689326&pc=h2&ei=451580 Still too expensive for me, though. DawnREPLY Yes, Dawn, too expensive for me as well - [although I suppose one's definition of "expensive" varies according to the size of one's "disposable income"], - especially in the larger sizes that I want - [around 5ft to 6ft "in the drop", tent-eaves to almost floor-level] - to "spiffy-up" the otherwise bare inner walls of our "display" tents. Whici is why - not having the time to paint our own wall-hangings as the greatly-talented Master Rhys Terafan Greyadragon has done, for example, - I am looking for manufacturers' "direct-sale" sources. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 12:36:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BHaNnG029823 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:36:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BHUMZj009759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:30:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BHUH0s002245; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1BHJRrq091717 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:21:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61385 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 17:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20050211171920.61382.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.140.217] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:20 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:19:20 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries To: Teddy@mdx.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792871@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design Toscano' >SNIP They have a pretty decent selection of tapestries. SNIP Some lovely tapestries, but, judging by the 14th and 15th century examples they are all done in the colours the originals have faded to now instead of the colours they would have been when new.... Such a waste. Dear Teddy, I am aware of Design Toscano - they import from manufacturers in Europe and the Indian sub-Continent; and I have been told that their "mark-up" is outrageous. And I agree with your comments about colours, too; but then they are serving a different "market" to that of the medieval re-enactor, aren't they? We medieval re-enactors would naturally prefer that the tapestries show in the vibrant original colours of the medieval Dyers' palette - because, as we are re-creating the medieval period, - "our" tapestries would have been new from the Flemish and French weavers - colours undimmed by Time. Whereas Design Toscano serv the market for those "mundane" customers who want something that looks both "olde-worlde" and expensive, showing "aging" [sic] Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 13:07:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BI7mii029953 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BI6tZj013871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BI6iAw037107; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BI6PA3036726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:06:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1BHxSov009016 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:59:28 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:59:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420CF41C.9030605@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:06:20 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries References: <20050211171920.61382.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050211171920.61382.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO julian wilson wrote: > Whereas Design Toscano serv the market for those "mundane" customers who want something that looks both "olde-worlde" and expensive, showing "aging" [sic] I'm not sure that's the reason; it's probably not knowing they were really colorful, and familiarity. Would you want a reproduction of a Greek statue which was all white? Or painted in the loud polychrome colors that the scholars tell us they were really painted in, and weathered off? I think I'd rather have a white one, despite knowing it should be colorful. I wouldn't look a gift faded tapestry askance, though! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent So you're saying I have to do a dance and cover myself in slime? -- Zoboomafoo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 13:31:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BIV9hN030081 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BIULZj016672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIU8d6059549; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIU5Vs059506 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-88-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.88.57]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BIPhc5027351 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:25:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050211091520.03efd570@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:24:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves In-Reply-To: <41845B49.3271DDFF.0081E352@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg >Does anyone know what I'm seeing here? I think it's just the colored undersleeve making one more fold as the arm straightens out. I think that bit would go away if the arm were held bent, like with the hand to the mouth. My recreation of this is packed so I can't try it on in front of a mirror, but I attached the undersleeve to the underdress. I cut it bent at the elbow, so it would probably wrinkle right there as I straightened my arm out. Since mine is early like this, I made a chemise big enough in the sleeves that puffs of it actually puff out. Later ones, where the undersleeves are much bigger and stiffer, have fake puffs that are too neat and don't match what the chemise is doing. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 13:51:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BIp4Gt010870 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BIipgX017832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIdVZf067778; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIdR6A067715 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00JHIFTQH9@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:39:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:39:26 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] womans mantle To: Historical Costume Message-id: <12721221271a14.1271a141272122@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hay Bjarne!!! Do you need another niece???? I would LOVE to have an uncle who sews as good as you do!!!! Katheryne running away and giggling ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > Oh and i forgot also to ask you, would it be odd to use the leftover of silk taffeta (purple) that i used for the pink dress, if i made a pleated trimming on the black wool mantle? > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 13:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BIp77b010873 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BIipgZ017832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIZ2Fc063856; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BIYUZi063301 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00JJVFLHR1@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:34:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:34:29 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <10b0c4110b43b2.10b43b210b0c41@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think I can help here - I do American War of 1812 and Revolutionary War - I also do "Fur Trapper" Era clothes. My clothes are not formal wear. My usual outfit is mob cap, chemise, bodice (unboned), 3 layers of petticoats, and my day jacket. If I am 'dressing up' I wear my _white_ pin-a-fore apron. Too bad you can't find pictures of the 49-er's, there are some pictures of ladies in among the men. I would say if you can contact Fort Ticonderoga or Old Fort Niagara ('New' Ft Niagara is a State Park - the 'Old' Ft is the historical fort) for info. They love to steer people in the right direction regarding clothing. I don't know the URL but there is a group called Brigades of the American Revolution (or B.A.R.). There is a VERY large group called National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association (NMLRA) that has an large annual event on the eastern coast - the Eastern Primitive Rondevous [EPR]. Try NMLRA in Google or EPRNMLRA. IIRC last time I went they had over 4,000 people there and over 400 merchants! If you like I can find my old bookmarks and send them to you. My SO also reccomends: Tidings from the 18th Century by Beth Gilgun [this has good patterns in it], Distaff '76 Sketchbook (this is the ladies verson of Sketchbook '76) [some patterns but also a lot of pics] He also thinks there is a book called Feminine Fur Trade. Katheryne who has gone back in history from 1812 clothes to 1530 clothes ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Jurancich > >I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their chemise? > > > >I realize that there weren't many women accompanying the trappers/ traders/ goldminers, etc. But surely there were some. > It seems that the rest of the people in our group are having the same problem locating information, since most of them are just wearing thrown- together outfits that don't seem to match the era. > >Blaine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 14:29:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BJTDXV011083 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:29:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BJSHZj022414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:28:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJQEEA009928; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from copper.wightman.ca (copper.wightman.ca [216.249.0.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJPvow009594 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by copper.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DCE3F83A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by copper.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 78A0A3F833 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01c5106f$9feab2e0$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200502111901.j1BJ0x42087958@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:25:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Women's working clothing, fur trade era X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're doing 1800-1840, even in working wear, you're dealing with two distinct different styles, as is evidenced in a great deal of documentation and primary examples. > My clothes are not formal wear. My usual outfit is mob cap, chemise, bodice (unboned), >3 layers of petticoats, and my day jacket. If I am 'dressing up' I wear my _white_ pin-a->fore apron. For the most part your gear sounds pretty good. I'd suggest, respectfully, improving the mob cap with something a little more documentable, such as one of the Country Wives caps (highly recommended - available on our website). You might also want to take a look at your unboned bodice and replace it with unboned or corded corset. The Mantua-Maker or the Past Patterns (both available on our website) are highly recommended. Be sure your petticoats fit under the bust prior to 1825, a little lower afterward and by 1840 regular waist height. Shortgown should follow similar waist heights respective of period. There is also a great deal of documentation to support the wear of bib-front and flat-bodice gowns for working wear up to about 1825, and other forms of gowns after that date. There are some excellent gown patterns for both these eras from The Mantua-Maker, Past Patterns, as well as from Rocking Horse, Period Impressions and others. We carry all of these pattern lines. Gowns, as with petticoats and jackets, should be constructed of sturdy cottons. The Mantua-Maker and Past Patterns patterns give you excellent fabric choices. Blaine, for more information about women in the Fur Trade era, you might want to consider subscribing to the 1812 Civilian list at yahoo groups. Barry and Judy McPherson are on the list and have extensive knowledge of the fur trade era, and have examined literarily hundreds of garments from the 18th and 19th centuries. What they don't know isn't worth writing about. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 14:38:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BJcZUJ011155 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:38:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BJbxZj023474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJblg0020334; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:37:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1BJbjql020209 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86837 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2005 19:37:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=TUUsRE4XC2r/qO7VYhF1OTXiQ/QYWkkQpxrPf7sn+KXhDBqrFbbJgE3xJPVe/o9IKUaTChavBCVvEMmzv+pQgy/g0ZPSzjouK7XCVXpQ6w0b8PnwXzUjfXgiQ1PwYy99MgHe1H/gNojJJLWkMHxF9aW/p1iXQvmWNEICPSbJosM= ; Message-ID: <20050211193740.86835.qmail@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:37:40 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502111901.j1BJ0x43087958@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1800-+ working clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mia in Charlotte, NC. There is a big ""DEPENDS"" attached to the following information. My first question is "what level of authenticity does your group expect/what level of authenticity do you want? The answers to these question may cause you to run from that Distaff skechbook thingy. There are alot better sources. The answers may also cause you to run from the unboned bodice (read the infamous French and English bodice) and mob caps. My second question is 1800 to 1840 is a pretty big time frame Does you group specialize in one end, or the other? Now after saying that, the basic combination of short gown and petticoat as laid out in Tidings will probably do OK for you. It's fast to get together, easy to sew, relatively inexpensive. Although right now my expertise is more 18th cent., my sense of the matter is that the basic garments are pretty much the same over the span of several years. Higher waiston the short gown for ca. 1800/ bigger skirts and bonnets for 1840's. I've even seen an engraving of a woman with a classic 1840s bonnet and the short gown/petticoat combination. The right fashion shilouette, the correct underpinning for the era, the right accessosries and you'll read 18 whatever. And pictures of 49's, I seen picutres of women in the gold fields (and I mean in the fileds and the mud next to sluices) trucked out in "High Gussy" silk dresses, bonnets the who nine yards. So they were hauling the good stuff with them, even if they weren't wearing it everyday. . Re: Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840 (purplkat@optonline.net)------------------------------ I think I can help here - I do American War of 1812 and Revolutionary War - I also do "Fur Trapper" Era clothes. My clothes are not formal wear. My usual outfit is mob cap, chemise, bodice (unboned), 3 layers of petticoats, and my day jacket. If I am 'dressing up' I wear my _white_ pin-a-fore apron. Too bad you can't find pictures of the 49-er's, there are some pictures of ladies in among the men. I would say if you can contact Fort Ticonderoga or Old Fort Niagara ('New' Ft Niagara is a State Park - the 'Old' Ft is the historical fort) for info. They love to steer people in the right direction regarding clothing. I don't know the URL but there is a group called Brigades of the American Revolution (or B.A.R.). There is a VERY large group called National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association (NMLRA) that has an large annual event on the eastern coast - the Eastern Primitive Rondevous [EPR]. Try NMLRA in Google or EPRNMLRA. IIRC last time I went they had over 4,000 people there and over 400 merchants! If you like I can find my old bookmarks and send them to you. My SO also reccomends: Tidings from the 18th Century by Beth Gilgun [this has good patterns in it], Distaff '76 Sketchbook (this is the ladies verson of Sketchbook '76) [some patterns but also a lot of pics] He also thinks there is a book called Feminine Fur Trade. Katheryne who has gone back in history from 1812 clothes to 1530 clothes ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Jurancich > >I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their chemise? > > > >I realize that there weren't many women accompanying the trappers/ traders/ goldminers, etc. But surely there were some. > It seems that the rest of the people in our group are having the same problem locating information, since most of them are just wearing thrown- together outfits that don't seem to match the era. > >Blaine This is --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 14:44:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BJi6Nq011190 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BJhRZj024063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:43:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJhM8X025092; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:43:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJeGae022373 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBR00D89IN3HI@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.33] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:15 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT To: Historical Costume Message-id: <63dc2b63af24.63af2463dc2b@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this sounds kinda wierd, but can anyone show me a sample page of NESAT? I am thinking of ordering this - but not if it is full of complicated 'jargon'. If it is a scholarly paper with bibliography and specific notes - I would be inerested. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth and Bob Matney > Since several of you were quite helpful when I was trying to locate NESAT > 1, 2 and 3 (though I still haven't been able to get them as yet), I thought > that you would like to know that > > NESAT 4 and 5 are still available (DBBC and Oxbow) > NESAT 6 is out of print (If enought contact ark.bookshop@archaeology.gu.se they might consider reprinting) > > Northern Archaeological Textiles: NESAT VII: Textile Symposium in Edinburgh, 5th-7th May 1999 Edited by Frances Pritchard and John Peter Wild > ISBN 1842171623. Hardback. Publishers price US $50.00, DBBC Price US $40.00 (delivery this May in USA) > > NESAT 8 will be printed in late March, price and release date to be determined. I will keep you posted when it becomes available. > > Again, thanks for all the help. > Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 15:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BK6Hu1011299 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BJ3gZj020584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJ3du1090380; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJ0RsD087386 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:00:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:59:29 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't forget to put out pictures of these marvalous creations you all do so those of us who are beginners and wimps at sewing can see what is possible today. thanks theresa >>> kayta@frys.com 2/11/2005 11:24:56 AM >>> >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/guildford.jpg >Does anyone know what I'm seeing here? I think it's just the colored undersleeve making one more fold as the arm straightens out. I think that bit would go away if the arm were held bent, like with the hand to the mouth. My recreation of this is packed so I can't try it on in front of a mirror, but I attached the undersleeve to the underdress. I cut it bent at the elbow, so it would probably wrinkle right there as I straightened my arm out. Since mine is early like this, I made a chemise big enough in the sleeves that puffs of it actually puff out. Later ones, where the undersleeves are much bigger and stiffer, have fake puffs that are too neat and don't match what the chemise is doing. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 16:01:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1BL1oX1011529 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BL0nZj001905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKxGeL090123; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f26.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKt8Nl086528 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:55:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 164.154.114.156 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:54:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.154.114.156] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502111901.j1BJ0x43087958@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:54:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2005 20:55:01.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[F45266F0:01C5107B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I have been to rendezvous in Wyoming and South Dakota, put on by re-enactors, a lot of the women wore Plains Indian garb. And when you consider that most of the women who were actually with the trappers WERE Indians, it makes sense. Some of the outfits were pretty spectacular, especially those made out of elk hide and porcupine quills... I think I can help here - I do American War of 1812 and Revolutionary War - I also do "Fur Trapper" Era clothes. My clothes are not formal wear. My usual outfit is mob cap, chemise, bodice (unboned), 3 layers of petticoats, and my day jacket. If I am 'dressing up' I wear my _white_ pin-a-fore apron. Too bad you can't find pictures of the 49-er's, there are some pictures of ladies in among the men. I would say if you can contact Fort Ticonderoga or Old Fort Niagara ('New' Ft Niagara is a State Park - the 'Old' Ft is the historical fort) for info. They love to steer people in the right direction regarding clothing. I don't know the URL but there is a group called Brigades of the American Revolution (or B.A.R.). There is a VERY large group called National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association (NMLRA) that has an large annual event on the eastern coast - the Eastern Primitive Rondevous [EPR]. Try NMLRA in Google or EPRNMLRA. IIRC last time I went they had over 4,000 people there and over 400 merchants! If you like I can find my old bookmarks and send them to you. My SO also reccomends: Tidings from the 18th Century by Beth Gilgun [this has good patterns in it], Distaff '76 Sketchbook (this is the ladies verson of Sketchbook '76) [some patterns but also a lot of pics] He also thinks there is a book called Feminine Fur Trade. Katheryne who has gone back in history from 1812 clothes to 1530 clothes ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Jurancich > >I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their chemise? > > > >I realize that there weren't many women accompanying the trappers/ traders/ goldminers, etc. But surely there were some. > It seems that the rest of the people in our group are having the same problem locating information, since most of them are just wearing thrown- together outfits that don't seem to match the era. > >Blaine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 19:14:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C0EDI4012569 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:14:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BNiSAv014612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKQSw5062663; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKQN3O062494 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92C54247C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:26:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric organization X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Due to some home repairs I've had to take everything out of my sewing room for a while and am just now getting to put it back. I'm cleaning out as I go and trying to reorganize things a little better. I have two 6 foot x 29" bookshelves that hold most of my fabric. I'm trying to decide how I should separate it out, and was wondering what works for you guys? Most of the fabric is large flat folds of 3-4 yard lengths (or more). (Fabric still on bolts is in another area.) I also have a lot of smaller cuts, anywhere from 1/2 yd to 2 yds. Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by color/ print? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 19:14:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C0Edbw012574 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BNiSBN014612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJ9OZh095405; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BJ9MSl095347 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A30C05EE06A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:09:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c5106d$3b62fd70$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:09:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] maskqued ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh how lovely, they just showed about the masqued ball in the television a 10 minutes input in the news. Apparently we are going to learn to danse the menuet from the danish play called Elverhøj. (Hill of the elves) This is a menuet very lovely tune, written in the middle of 19th century. The play takes place in the cavallier era. We are going to the theater tuesday to be educated in ball ettiquette and danse. Anyway, they had some ladies and gentlemen dressed up in rented costumes. They were not that bad, and i think many of them will come in 18th century style, wich is my favourite. Oh my i really am looking forwards to this. I shall make a lot of photos and post them on my homepage for you to se. I cut out the mantle tonight, and i have pinned it together with the hood. It will be nice i think. Dinner is calling, and i have to go to work this weekend, so there will only be a few hours each day to sew. Fortunately there are not much to be sewed in a mantle. Sorry i just had to burst out!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 19:19:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C0JGuV012614 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:19:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1BNiSBB014612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKEXJA052724; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:QAc2JdEaRQ7ByWKYI3eYfO878diX07k4@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1BKE24P052290 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j1BKDvmW032133 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:01 -0500 Received: from 51-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.51]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60744.64.156.242.51.1108152841.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20050211193740.86835.qmail@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200502111901.j1BJ0x43087958@net.indra.com> <20050211193740.86835.qmail@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mob cap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The answers may also cause you to run from the > unboned bodice (read the infamous French and English bodice) and mob caps. I think "mob cap" was a term used in the 18thC - don't know about early 19th. There is something worn by some reenactors which is a gathered circle with a self-ruffled edge all the way around. Sort of like a shower cap. This style is not documented to the 18thC, and I believe Deb Peterson found the earliest documentation at about 1880. It gets confusing because people call the gathered circle a mob cap, and the term is correct but the cap style is not. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 19:35:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C0ZX8t012764 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C0YoZj004383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C0YfcJ084871; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C0YcLZ084771 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so3046629wra for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=iP5Nhcd3CbUrX8RsUSkGxFKo9LfriQMoWDSE2NjXnLTKjsc0FWPU1xbmyalKImMDqTYTwrGbefldVdLilCmbuhtB1N88iIXXeoWUOaUzKXEtWGv8bdBEa5rjEvL8Dw34Aov2+DeKo/kLrrQy9SFRHxh5gqsJ9kKCyHyQ1kVyiqk= Received: by 10.54.43.67 with SMTP id q67mr51686wrq; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm48348wra.2005.02.11.16.34.33; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:34:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:34:44 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8708@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1C0YcLZ084771 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, I have my fabric sorted into bolts, cut lengths and scraps which are in different areas, mostly because of different storage needs. In each location the material is sorted into fibre types. On the bolts and cut lengths I have a little scrap of paper pinned to it which has the fibre content (or my best guess), the unwashed yardage, the price/meter, the store I got it from, the yardage after washing (if I've washed it) and the intended use. Since I buy mostly natural fibres, the linens and wools take up more than one shelf and are further divided according to weight. I can tell colours apart fairly easily, weight easily enough by fingering, but the mixed fabrics can fool me. In theory I have a little notebook that I'm supposed to write in all my fabric purchases and attach a swatch. In theory ... Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] fabric organization Due to some home repairs I've had to take everything out of my sewing room for a while and am just now getting to put it back. I'm cleaning out as I go and trying to reorganize things a little better. I have two 6 foot x 29" bookshelves that hold most of my fabric. I'm trying to decide how I should separate it out, and was wondering what works for you guys? Most of the fabric is large flat folds of 3-4 yard lengths (or more). (Fabric still on bolts is in another area.) I also have a lot of smaller cuts, anywhere from 1/2 yd to 2 yds. Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by color/ print? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 19:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C0fsss012782 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C0fJZj004862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:41:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C0fEVx089716; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:41:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C0ekFX089249 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so767407wra for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:40:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RNKJ0xVev9W/pismL/D2ETcycaokinDmg2GJ9cwgRwSV+pVUnCDzqNtj46pO5EdA96Ba18uKDVOb8/MyPkq9hGvdXgTKQcN3BUXodcHLfesv+o+Cbgdn6AlVIlCy/fbraifVq3HsWhl5vkSJWsXlr8dGCrswp2TfvKFxQyhuvX0= Received: by 10.54.30.28 with SMTP id d28mr373124wrd; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:40:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05021116404ee497b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:40:40 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization In-Reply-To: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Dawn, i'll bet you get as many different ways to sort as you get responses. i'm sure we all muddle through the way it seems right at the time. i sort by fabric type; all wools, all cottons, all linens, all silks, all brocades (of all fabric types). i find that i won't remember that inside the Victorian box, there's a piece of rust wool, suitable for that cape when i'm actually looking for the rust wool for a winter skirt for work. i know i need wool, so i'll look for wool. however, the fabrics i've bought specificall for hats stay together in the "hat box" with their special trims, veilings, interlinings and linings. as these pieces are usually less than a yard each, the chance i'll need them for something else is slim. and if i sorted by color, i'd have six boxes of black with wool, chiffon, velveteen, velvet, ultrasuede, silk, cotton lining, brocade together. if i want wool for a skirt, i might find that the green piece will be even nicer than that rust i was thinking about, but i wouldn't know if i sorted by color because it would be in a different box. sometimes i'll need 4 yards of wool, a dark color. my options are open when all the wools are together. as in any perfect plan, there are always exceptions. there are always three boxes of miscellaneous, stuff that doesn't fit into any other heading. those i try to keep swatches of in a clear plastic page protector on the outside of the box. i know that someone on the list wrote an excellent paper with suggestions a few years ago. does anyone remember what website he put that onto? LynnD On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:26:01 -0600, Dawn wrote: > Due to some home repairs I've had to take everything out of my sewing > room for a while and am just now getting to put it back. I'm cleaning > out as I go and trying to reorganize things a little better. > > I have two 6 foot x 29" bookshelves that hold most of my fabric. I'm > trying to decide how I should separate it out, and was wondering what > works for you guys? > > Most of the fabric is large flat folds of 3-4 yard lengths (or more). > (Fabric still on bolts is in another area.) I also have a lot of smaller > cuts, anywhere from 1/2 yd to 2 yds. > > Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended > use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by > color/ print? > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 20:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C1rBnk013047 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C1qBZj010551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C1px0p038432; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C1pWdx038100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C32Dau030371 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:02:17 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:51:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20050211072314.01dd93c8@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050211072314.01dd93c8@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502112051.17711.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 11 February 2005 8:45 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: [snip] > Northern Archaeological Textiles: NESAT VII: Textile Symposium in > Edinburgh, 5th-7th May 1999 Edited by Frances Pritchard and John Peter Wild > ISBN 1842171623. Hardback. Publishers price US $50.00, DBBC Price US > $40.00 (delivery this May in USA) > > NESAT 8 will be printed in late March, price and release date to be > determined. I will keep you posted when it becomes available. Beth, thanks! I was wondering when I would hear of NESAT volumes after NESAT 6. One more question: Where can I obtain a listing of the articles in NESAT 7? -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 20:55:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C1tcB4013053 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C1smZj010719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:54:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C1smQm040480; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C1qdm3038966 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868412743 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC91FA5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:36 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE:[h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B041A4404@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE:[h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840 Thread-Index: AcUQX9x5keinRzXBTx2K7TIrfbMoMQARIhbw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2005 01:52:36.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[86857A70:01C510A5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1C1qdm3038966 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This isn't focused on the fur trade but _Calico Chronicle: Texas Women and Their Fashions 1830-1910_ has some early stuff that you might find useful. As does _Fashion on the Ohio Frontier: 1790-1840_ by Anne Bissonnette (Amazon doesn't have it, but it's available from the Kent State University Museum store (http://dept.kent.edu/museum/store/store.html ). There's probably more, but I'm away from all my books (or IAFAMB to quote from an earlier thread ;-)) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 21:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C20RcJ013074 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C1xcZj011077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C1xZiX043502; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1C1rB9a039355 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:53:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 32221 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2005 02:00:30 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:00:30 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:53:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1250.24.4.69.40.1108173188.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> References: <420D14D9.8040205@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:53:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Due to some home repairs I've had to take everything out of my sewing > room for a while and am just now getting to put it back. I'm cleaning > out as I go and trying to reorganize things a little better. > > I have two 6 foot x 29" bookshelves that hold most of my fabric. I'm > trying to decide how I should separate it out, and was wondering what > works for you guys? > > Most of the fabric is large flat folds of 3-4 yard lengths (or more). > (Fabric still on bolts is in another area.) I also have a lot of smaller > cuts, anywhere from 1/2 yd to 2 yds. > > Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended > use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by > color/ print? Dawn, I have mine organized by type of fabric in bins that have labels (tape labelers are awesome!). And if you have too many pieces for one bin or area, you can further subdivide them by piece size (small vs. large) or weight. As a side note, if you do use bins, there are great herbal sachets that you can buy as a moth repellent. They don't stink like moth balls and the smell airs out of the cloth pretty quickly. I got mine online from the "Container Store". But I think that there are several places to get them. Also, I agree with the other lady who said that if the fabrics were labeled for intended use, you may not realize that a piece of fabric could be perfect for some other use. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 21:55:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C2tZNJ013232 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C2sfZj015167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:54:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C2sXuU081053; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C2sUkN080930 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:54:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1C2rx4W018658 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:54:11 +1100 Message-ID: <000101c510ad$ce8163e0$ab93d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk linnen Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:34:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > And on that subject, I'm looking for 18th century-ish striped fabric > for > a sack-back gown. I swear I can't find any natural-fiber broad stripes > that don't look either modern, or like mattress ticking. Does anyone > have a suggestion for where to look? If you can cope with a silk/polyester blend Fabric.com had a plain striped 'silk blend Jacquard a month or two ago, I don't know if any will be left though as it was in one of their clearance areas. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 22:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C3Vx7O013333 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C3VHZj017332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3VEqM005786; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3V7qa005695 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBS00H6G4FVTY@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.139] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.124]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:31:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:31:07 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mob cap To: Historical Costume Message-id: <12c0da512c8149.12c814912c0da5@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the correction. I meant the gathered circle cap. I was told 'mob cap' was period - obviously they got terms mixed up. Katheryne Who will now toss the gathered circle 'mob cap' and sew up a proper cap ----- Original Message ----- From: aquazoo@patriot.net > I think "mob cap" was a term used in the 18thC - don't know about early 19th. There is something worn by some reenactors which is a gathered circle with a self-ruffled edge all the way around. Sort of like a shower cap. This style is not documented to the 18thC, and I believe Deb Peterson found the earliest documentation at about 1880. > > It gets confusing because people call the gathered circle a mob cap, and the term is correct but the cap style is not. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 22:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C3fcpP013359 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C3f2Zj018056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3exIw012257; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3etDo012113 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:40:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1C3ejfu024544 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050211190608.01fc9eb0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:23 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell In-Reply-To: <200502111900.j1BJ0ugR087889@net.indra.com> References: <200502111900.j1BJ0ugR087889@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:34:29 -0500, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: >...Distaff '76 Sketchbook (this is the ladies verson of Sketchbook '76) >[some patterns but also a lot of pics] I have one of these (purchased when Frank took me to Colonial Williamsburg, a number of years ago). I purchased the corresponding PoF at the same time. It's not an era I've done much dabbling in, but I've been meaning to ask, how good *is* the Distaff Sketchbook in terms of accuracy for the garments of th US Colonial/Revolutionary Era (and, for what part of the Colonies/States)? Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 22:49:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C3nfjr013417 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C3miZj018451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3mfKF016979; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C3maIG016882 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050212034830.FELG17036.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:48:30 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:48:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792872@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> thread-index: AcUP3SjozCDfQWjVQFyX5rffIShgHAAQsbnAACVZk6A= Message-Id: <20050212034830.FELG17036.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO summer-dressmaking fabrics in a department store. I really only bought it becasue it was perfect for an 18th century gown even thoguh I had no plans to make opne before I saw it and still ahven't gotten around to doing so (that could be due to the doll I would be making the gown for being in Chicago while I'm in London, but knowing my lack of ability to get around to stuff, I could be wrong there....) Teddy Oh, surely not!!! Don't all of us get right to work on a project as soon as we have the idea for it :) (RIIIIIGHT!!) Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 11 23:16:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C4GO1Z013518 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:16:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C4FJZj019851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C4DZKl032657; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C4DRA7032480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C5OCE0031947 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:13:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <63dc2b63af24.63af2463dc2b@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <63dc2b63af24.63af2463dc2b@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502112313.16970.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 11 February 2005 2:40 pm, purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > I know this sounds kinda wierd, but can anyone show me a sample page of > NESAT? > > I am thinking of ordering this - but not if it is full of complicated > 'jargon'. If it is a scholarly paper with bibliography and specific notes - > I would be inerested. All of the NESAT papers (or at least all of the ones I've read) are "scholarly papers with bibliography and specific notes". I don't think you'd find most of them too technical to read (I have NESAT 5 and NESAT 6). However, it is possible that not all of the papers will be in English (about half of the NESAT 5 essays are in German, for example.) Does that help? -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 00:47:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C5lRA0014083 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C5kOZj024914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C5kH2T091352; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C5kBdL091145 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1C5jgxV024639 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:45:56 +1100 Message-ID: <000501c510c5$cb4c3ca0$8b93d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:41:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I've found a really good fabric for an 18th century dress and it's 50% off it's got a striped floral pattern woven in (i.e. a stripe of pale blue and a stripe of white with a floral pattern) I'm thinking I probably want a polonaise style gown as it requires less complex underpinnings and as it's ankle length it will be easier to dance in (the only event I can wear 18th century to is a dance event) but I also really love the look of the saque back gowns. So how much fabric would I need for either one of these gowns, I'm a size 18 (or 44-46 in European sizes) according to the 'big 3' patterns and roughly 5' 8" tall (170 cm for the Europeans). Based on my experience with 16th century I'm guessing 8-10m for a polonaise and 10-15m for a Saque (I can't remember the right term) but I wanted to check with more experienced people before I started making the dress only to find I had either far too much or far too little. Thanks Elizabeth (Hooray for having a job and the ability to take advantage of sales when they happen) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 01:29:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1C6T8aN014220 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1C6SHZj026812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1C6RQQj016181; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1C6RJLA016060 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:27:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2005 06:27:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050212061742.014a2c38@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:28:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric In-Reply-To: <000501c510c5$cb4c3ca0$8b93d6cb@ewalpole> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:41 12/02/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hi everyone, I've found a really good fabric for an 18th century dress and >it's 50% off it's got a striped floral pattern woven in (i.e. a stripe of >pale blue and a stripe of white with a floral pattern) I'm thinking I >probably want a polonaise style gown as it requires less complex >underpinnings and as it's ankle length it will be easier to dance in (the >only event I can wear 18th century to is a dance event) but I also really >love the look of the saque back gowns. So how much fabric would I need for >either one of these gowns, I'm a size 18 (or 44-46 in European sizes) >according to the 'big 3' patterns and roughly 5' 8" tall (170 cm for the >Europeans). Based on my experience with 16th century I'm guessing 8-10m for >a polonaise and 10-15m for a Saque (I can't remember the right term) but I >wanted to check with more experienced people before I started making the >dress only to find I had either far too much or far too little. I usually get 10 metres of 150cm wide fabric for 18th century dresses. (10 3/4 yards by 60"). This allows for a petticoat to match, and loads of self trim in the form of cuffs, frills, serpentine trim on the front etc. There is sometimes some left over, but not a lot - the frills can take huge amounts! If you are putting more fabric into the sacque you will need a bit more - 10 metres can be a bit mean. You can see a couple of examples on my web site - the shot pink is real silk, the mauvey one is a cheap lining fabric! http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/photogallery.php?start=4 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 06:12:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CBCU8h010292 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:12:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CBBWZj018540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:11:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CBAauv077521; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CBAN7e077387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1CB3Pov017225 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:03:25 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:03:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420DE41A.1010706@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:10:18 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Princess Seam/Devonshire Hunting Tapestries References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote about the Miller's Wife: > My own thought was that she might have been an addition of maybe within > 100-200 years after the earlier parts of the tapestry. I suppose that > would still make her "SCA period," but not contemporary to the rest! It's > maddening. I was looking at this last night, and noted that there's a shepherdess in the upper right who has some kind of bizarre seam line going on as well. It goes from her shoulders across her breasts and meets in a Y around her waist. It could be a seam line. It could be the edge of a gown which is open, showing her undergown -- which would be easy to tell by the color change except the colors have faded so much in that corner that it's nearly greyscale! You'd have to look at the reverse side, which of course you could do in their image library onsite. One of the things which might convince me to move to London for a few months! I was also looking at the thing to ponder my idea of printing a large scale version (for my own use) but the image would need so much clean up that I think it wouldn't be worth it unless I got some license from the V&A to sell other versions. Argh. Will have to make do with my drawings on the CafePress shirts! And hope someone becomes disenchanted with their tapestry from two years ago and wants to sell it on eBay. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Two ladies deep in conversation from a medieval tapestry -- on shirts, mugs, and other fun items at my CafePress store: http://www.cafepress.com/virtueventures/499332 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 14:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJMVWd018868 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CJLcZj019879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:21:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJLNBr074788; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJLBAl074626 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:21:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ff3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.243]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A46425EE048 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:21:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c51138$09a61fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c510c5$cb4c3ca0$8b93d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth. I would say the same as you said yourself 10 meters for anglaise/polonaise gown and 12-15 meters of a francaise gown. I always get surprised how much you need when you make a francaise dress. The anglaise dress i made now has 3 widths for underskirt and the same for overskirt + a little extra where i made some panels in purple taffeta. And i did not use any fabric for trimmings. Bjarne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric > Hi everyone, I've found a really good fabric for an 18th century dress and > it's 50% off it's got a striped floral pattern woven in (i.e. a stripe of > pale blue and a stripe of white with a floral pattern) I'm thinking I > probably want a polonaise style gown as it requires less complex > underpinnings and as it's ankle length it will be easier to dance in (the > only event I can wear 18th century to is a dance event) but I also really > love the look of the saque back gowns. So how much fabric would I need for > either one of these gowns, I'm a size 18 (or 44-46 in European sizes) > according to the 'big 3' patterns and roughly 5' 8" tall (170 cm for the > Europeans). Based on my experience with 16th century I'm guessing 8-10m > for > a polonaise and 10-15m for a Saque (I can't remember the right term) but I > wanted to check with more experienced people before I started making the > dress only to find I had either far too much or far too little. > Thanks > Elizabeth (Hooray for having a job and the ability to take advantage of > sales when they happen) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 14:43:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJhT60018997 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:43:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CJgnZj021242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:42:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJgkN3088308; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJgi3I088257 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (h-69-3-59-92.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[69.3.59.92]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20050212194239113003bp4te> (Authid: Kiloran); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:42:39 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050212113044.01ff9cb8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:42:36 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200502121901.j1CJ1bJB061754@net.indra.com> References: <200502121901.j1CJ1bJB061754@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] yardage question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently purchased six yards of sixty-inch wide fabric that is both striped and floral (the pattern runs the length of the fabric). I bought it with an eye towards making a robe a la Francaise. I'm less that five feet tall, and I don't need much of a train or a whole lot of width to the panniers under the dress. I was planning on copying a pattern from Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1 (page 34, the one identified as a cherry and white striped sack dress circa 1770-1775), as opposed to using a commercial pattern, so I can't refer to the back of a pattern envelope. My question is, is six yards enough to make this gown? And if it isn't, what can I change to make it work? Thanks, Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 14:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJmPVp019036 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CJlkZj021601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:47:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJljIC091612; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CJlh9I091558 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:47:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32ff3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.243]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D9473262841 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:47:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c5113b$c13cb110$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502121901.j1CJ1bJB061754@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20050212113044.01ff9cb8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage question Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:47:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Julie, If you dont have enough fabric, you could make a false underskirt with a width of the right fabric sitting in the front and use muslin for the rest or If you dont have enough fabric for an underskirt, you could make it in another matching fabric. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] yardage question >I recently purchased six yards of sixty-inch wide fabric that is both >striped and floral (the pattern runs the length of the fabric). I bought it >with an eye towards making a robe a la Francaise. I'm less that five feet >tall, and I don't need much of a train or a whole lot of width to the >panniers under the dress. > > I was planning on copying a pattern from Janet Arnold's Patterns of > Fashion 1 (page 34, the one identified as a cherry and white striped sack > dress circa 1770-1775), as opposed to using a commercial pattern, so I > can't refer to the back of a pattern envelope. My question is, is six > yards enough to make this gown? And if it isn't, what can I change to make > it work? > > Thanks, > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 15:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CKMArO019202 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:22:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CKLMZj023661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CKKwfu011958; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:20:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-118.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CKKVov011698 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (js.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by mail.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512284247A for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420E650E.9060902@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:20:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage question References: <200502121901.j1CJ1bJB061754@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20050212113044.01ff9cb8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050212113044.01ff9cb8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > I was planning on copying a pattern from Janet Arnold's Patterns of > Fashion 1 (page 34, ... My question is, is > six yards enough to make this gown? And if it isn't, what can I change > to make it work? I believe if you are careful with your pattern placement that it will just work. I find in cases like this that if I get some graph paper and make a scale chart of my fabric then I can use a scaled down pattern to figure out placement for the best use of the fabric. It takes a bit of work, it might take me a couple days of planning, but it's let me squeeze dresses out of yardage that is two yards "too short" before --without resorting to weird pieceing. I'm not sure you'll have enough left for the self-fabric ruching though. As Bjarne pointed out, you may be able to save a yard by using a plain fabric for the part of the underskirt that doesn't show. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 17:09:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CM9cSd019876 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1CM8mZj029821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CM8dC7078707; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1CM8XAR078527 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.144.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1CM70W0010556 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:08:16 +1100 Message-ID: <001201c5114f$06e533a0$8a90d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050211171920.61382.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:28:17 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Teddy, > I am aware of Design Toscano - they import from manufacturers in Europe and the Indian sub-Continent; and I have been told that their "mark-up" is outrageous. > And I agree with your comments about colours, too; but then they are serving a different "market" to that of the medieval re-enactor, aren't they? We medieval re-enactors would naturally prefer that the tapestries show in the vibrant original colours of the medieval Dyers' palette - because, as we are re-creating the medieval period, - "our" tapestries would have been new from the Flemish and French weavers - colours undimmed by Time. > Whereas Design Toscano serv the market for those "mundane" customers who want something that looks both "olde-worlde" and expensive, showing "aging" [sic] Actually I think there's a bit of a lack of understanding that things didn't always look that 'old' I recall a newcomer wearing a hessian sack as garb (he claimed he was a peasant) and bringing along a badly chipped bowl as his feast gear on the basis that "it looks old" he didn't seem to realise that 500 years ago that old stuff was actually new. There is a persistent myth that period items should look old (I expect people who regularly put on shows for the public get these sort of comments quite frequently) Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 22:15:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D3F7bL021486 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:15:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3E8Zj019738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D3Dts9062805; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:13:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D3Ds4V062783 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-33qtka1.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.209.65] helo=[209.165.50.146]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0ACm-0004Eu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:13:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ae01c50fbb$cfc592a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> References: <20050210195918.36372.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> <00ae01c50fbb$cfc592a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:13:43 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] tapestry-manufacturer info sought Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 3:59 PM -0600 2/10/05, E House wrote: >In one of my previous day jobs, I actually did a design for a woven >tapestry throw like this--I think our company charged somewhere >between $40-$50 USD each for the finished product, which was a >pretty large size (5 feet square sticks in my head, but it's been a >while). I did the design in a vector-based graphics program; I'm >not absolutely certain that it had to be vector-based, but if so, >that means that you couldn't just have them directly copy a photo. >However, there are programs that can turn a photo into a vector >graphic--you lose a good bit of detail, but you would have lost a >lot of detail anyway, since the throws are pretty coarsely woven. >Relatively simple unshaded designs, such as heraldry, would >translate wonderfully into vector-based graphics. > >In other words, it's theoretically very possible; you'd probably >have to order a minimum of a dozen or more of the throws, and it >wouldn't be very authentic looking _up close_, but it would look >very nice from a distance at something like 1/10 of the cost. Yes, that's the trade-off for this sort of thing -- a price of $30-$40 US per piece, but the number of colors you can get for that price is limited, and the weave is rather coarse (I'd estimate around 8 to 12 threads per cm). Not to mention that (IIRC) the materials are partly (if not entirely) synthetic. (Of course, the good side of synthetic is that these are relatively cheap and usually machine washable.) I've recently designed two such afghans for the school I work for. The size is about 4 x 6 feet (plus fringe), and I believe that there's a fairly steep discount per piece for larger orders -- we were debating between ordering 100 or 200, which would put the actual cost per piece (without shipping) under $30. The samples arrived a couple of weeks ago and look quite nice. These are woven in four colors (black, white, gold, and blue). One of the two was made from line drawings (vector art as you mentioned) and the other included a photo that had been simplified into (I think it was) about five shades of gray. I gave the company a single black-and white file of art for the entire piece, with the outlines of the type, logo, photo and so forth all laid out (they specifically wanted an EPS or Adobe Illustrator file). -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 12 22:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D3IZXh021502 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:18:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D3HrZj019889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:17:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D3HrEM065112; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D3Dq19062762 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-33qtka1.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.209.65] helo=[209.165.50.146]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0ACk-0004Eu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:13:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200502112313.16970.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <63dc2b63af24.63af2463dc2b@optonline.net> <200502112313.16970.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:57:27 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NESAT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:13 PM -0500 2/11/05, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >All of the NESAT papers (or at least all of the ones I've read) are "scholarly >papers with bibliography and specific notes". I don't think you'd find most >of them too technical to read (I have NESAT 5 and NESAT 6). However, it is >possible that not all of the papers will be in English (about half of the >NESAT 5 essays are in German, for example.) Does that help? If you're interested in a particular NESAT volume, buy it as soon as you can after it comes out. They do sell out, and prices increase quite a bit for copies of the older, less common, or out-of-print volumes (I think NESAT IV is currently selling for about $70, as opposed to $40 for the new one). Also, you'll find that not all of the articles are necessarily useful if your aim is to create historical clothing: some of them are on non-clothing textiles, others are more about textile preservation, dye chemistry and so forth. Weaving technique articles also may or may not be useful to you. But my experience is that most of the volumes have at least a couple of costume-relevant articles in them. And of course for _learning_ about textiles they're quite good. Here's Oxbow's description of NESAT IV, which may give you a bit more of an idea. The report from the fourth NESAT symposium, held in Denmark in 1990, to promote the study and publication of textiles from archaeological sites in northern Europe, contains 26 contributions in English and German. They include: Neolitische Textilien im Raum Zurich (A Rast-Eicher); Pre-Roman Iron Age textiles in Europe north of the Alps (L B Jorgensen); Vindolanda 1985-89 (JP Wild); Aspects of the wool textiles from Viking Age Dublin (F Pritchard); Silk threads on leather objects from the Middle Ages (I R Pedersen); The wools in some medieval textiles from Bryggen (E Schjolberg); Experimente am Gewichts-, Rund- und Trittwebstuhl im Mittelalterlicher Museumsdorf Duppel (A Goldmann); Drying archaeological textiles (E P Peacock); Quantitative research in ancient textiles and freeze drying (W D Cooke & E P Peacock). 237p with figs and illus. (Viborg Museum 1992) NESAT VII is due out this coming May (they will accept pre-orders), but Oxbow doesn't list its contents in any detail. http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/42558 Here's the NESAT-related part of an article about conferences from _Antiquity_, written late in 1999 (online at http://intarch.ac.uk/antiquity/73-282editorial.html ) >The emphasis at NESAT is on new research and recent excavations and >this year's papers ranged from the technology of textile production >to the construction of grave clothes. There were 29 papers and three >poster displays, and delegates came from 15 countries. Paper >patterns of some of the Norse and Medieval surviving dress were on >sale, and fine nettle fibres were replicated by members of the Lejre >Historical and ArchaeologicalResearch Centre in Denmark. > >One of the most interesting topics to emerge was the question of the >layers of cloth found under brooches in Viking and Migration period >graves. Until now it was thought that bodies were buried in their >own clothes as worn in life. However, the lack of teeth, which are >resistant to acid waterlogged soils, has posed problems. It is now >thought possible that the bones were buried well after the flesh had >rotted away, so that the clothes may have been placed on the bones >rather than being dressed bodies. In one grave it is possible the >clothes may even have been placed in reverse order so that when the >woman in the grave needed them in the afterlife they would have been >in the right order for putting on. This evidence then raises the >question of how much the fabric trapped in the brooch or as a >pseudomorph can be taken to represent the actual layers of clothing >worn by the buried people. > >A new development is the co-operation between various European >institutions on the sails used in early Viking Age ships, >specifically using wool. In 2001 a reconstructed ship with sails >will be launched and visit all the countries participating in this >research. NESAT has a good publication record and the papers of all >previous symposiums have been published by the host institution for >the symposium. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 01:33:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D6Xsct022652 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:33:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D6XDZj000841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:33:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D6X2Fc081589; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D6WwoD081501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:32:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D7hnrZ013485 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:43:53 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NESAT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:32:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <63dc2b63af24.63af2463dc2b@optonline.net> <200502112313.16970.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502130132.48355.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 12 February 2005 8:57 pm, Chris Laning wrote: [snip] > If you're interested in a particular NESAT volume, buy it as soon as > you can after it comes out. They do sell out, and prices increase > quite a bit for copies of the older, less common, or out-of-print > volumes (I think NESAT IV is currently selling for about $70, as > opposed to $40 for the new one). This is a very good point, Chris. I had deduced this (David Brown has NESAT IV for $68.50, so you're right there), and for that reason just ordered my copy of NESAT 7 today. > Also, you'll find that not all of the articles are necessarily useful > if your aim is to create historical clothing: some of them are on > non-clothing textiles, others are more about textile preservation, > dye chemistry and so forth. Weaving technique articles also may or > may not be useful to you. But my experience is that most of the > volumes have at least a couple of costume-relevant articles in them. > And of course for _learning_ about textiles they're quite good. I agree, and I'll add that even for those of us who are not excited about learning to weave or using period dyeing techniques, etc., some of the articles can be useful by giving data about what kinds of thread counts, etc. are detected in archaeological finds--information from which fabric choices can be better made, or sometime construction questions answered, at least in part. [snip] > >One of the most interesting topics to emerge was the question of the > >layers of cloth found under brooches in Viking and Migration period > >graves. Until now it was thought that bodies were buried in their > >own clothes as worn in life. However, the lack of teeth, which are > >resistant to acid waterlogged soils, has posed problems. It is now > >thought possible that the bones were buried well after the flesh had > >rotted away, so that the clothes may have been placed on the bones > >rather than being dressed bodies. In one grave it is possible the > >clothes may even have been placed in reverse order so that when the > >woman in the grave needed them in the afterlife they would have been > >in the right order for putting on. This evidence then raises the > >question of how much the fabric trapped in the brooch or as a > >pseudomorph can be taken to represent the actual layers of clothing > >worn by the buried people. Wow. That would sure blow a hole in a lot of theories! -- Cathy Raymond "Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts."--Winston Churchill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 02:53:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D7rD65022934 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:53:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D7qFZj003862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D7q8OR027466; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D7q6Vf027397 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA17821 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:52:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:52:04 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <420f0724.6218.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.127.121 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Horse pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to make a life-like soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but life like; don't want anything that looks cartoonish. I'm planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not using the correct search terms or something but can't locate a pattern for a horse. Thanks! Roscelin ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 04:54:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1D9snb5031687 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 04:54:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D9qeZj009230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:52:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1D9qS1w097521; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1D9qPfH097432 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1852 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 09:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20050213095219.1850.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.139.79] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:52:19 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:52:19 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001201c5114f$06e533a0$8a90d6cb@ewalpole> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote:PREVIOUS QUOTED MESSAGE SNIPPED Actually I think there's a bit of a lack of understanding that things didn't always look that 'old' I recall a newcomer wearing a hessian sack as garb (he claimed he was a peasant) and bringing along a badly chipped bowl as his feast gear on the basis that "it looks old" he didn't seem to realise that 500 years ago that old stuff was actually new. There is a persistent myth that period items should look old (I expect people who regularly put on shows for the public get these sort of comments quite frequently) REPLY Dear Elizabeth, yes, I quite agree with you. There is, however, the consideration that medieval households must - for reasons of cost - have used household articles, - [especially originally-costly articles] - until those articles were quite worn-out. One could therefore envisage a situation in which one would find articles "from our Grandsires' Time" in use in a medieval household of later date, complete with whatever patination the article might have acquired over the years between purchase and "your households' date". Unfortunately, this gets me no closer to contacting an actual Manufacturer and I am still hopefully awaiting input from any Lister who may have such info. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 07:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DCduct004537 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:39:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DCZmZj029369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DCZcUZ091082; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DCZW4S091010 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBU005DFOB81M@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [167.206.5.139] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:35:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:35:32 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1f7e0571f80475.1f804751f7e057@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is/was a vogue pattern that looked ok(by my standards at least) Pattern V7603, and you can look at the -picture at http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7603=x&TI=20016&pageNum=3 jordana ----- Original Message ----- From: roscelin Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:52 am Subject: [h-cost] Horse pattern > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to make a > life-like > soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but life like; don't want > anything that > looks cartoonish. I'm planning on making barding and possibly > armour for it. > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not using > the correct > search terms or something but can't locate a pattern for a horse. > Thanks! > > Roscelin > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 09:03:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DE3Cic005123 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:03:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DDx9Zj003220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DDwtF0038201; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DDwqbr038089 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:58:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AD1343940088; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:58:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Feb 05 13:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c511d4$488bfd40$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502121901.j1CJ1bJB061754@net.indra.com><6.2.0.14.0.20050212113044.01ff9cb8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> <001101c5113b$c13cb110$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage question Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:59:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And I too would suggest this 'good' fabric idea if you need to scrimp. I had been doing this for years and only recently have I come across references that show this had been done in period. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage question > Hi Julie, > If you dont have enough fabric, you could make a false underskirt with a > width of the right fabric sitting in the front and use muslin for the rest > or > If you dont have enough fabric for an underskirt, you could make it in > another matching fabric. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] yardage question > > > >I recently purchased six yards of sixty-inch wide fabric that is both > >striped and floral (the pattern runs the length of the fabric). I bought it > >with an eye towards making a robe a la Francaise. I'm less that five feet > >tall, and I don't need much of a train or a whole lot of width to the > >panniers under the dress. > > > > I was planning on copying a pattern from Janet Arnold's Patterns of > > Fashion 1 (page 34, the one identified as a cherry and white striped sack > > dress circa 1770-1775), as opposed to using a commercial pattern, so I > > can't refer to the back of a pattern envelope. My question is, is six > > yards enough to make this gown? And if it isn't, what can I change to make > > it work? > > > > Thanks, > > Julie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 09:10:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DEA50w005197 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:10:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DE8AZj003676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DE85CU043641; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DE82B8043550 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF3C43B30088; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:07:56 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Feb 05 14:07:55 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c511d5$921e6960$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420f0724.6218.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:09:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The only one I have seen was a child's pattern. The head is very good I think, but the body is one of those "doughnut" rings that provides back legs with the person providing the actual front legs/ ( the leg position may be reversed.) I kept the pattern for the head and have used it to craft a two-person character horse. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "roscelin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: [h-cost] Horse pattern > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to make a life-like > soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but life like; don't want anything that > looks cartoonish. I'm planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not using the correct > search terms or something but can't locate a pattern for a horse. > Thanks! > > Roscelin > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 10:29:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DFT7lH005748 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DFQiZj007701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DFQYgA089476; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DFQS54089397 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBU00DJHW84GV@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1f928db1f95741.1f957411f928db@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I stopped at Jo-ann's yeasterday (just for some hand-sewing needles) and discorved something nice (for once at jo-anns). They are now carrying more kinds of gutterman's threads, including cotton and SILK threads. They seemed to have about 30 diffrent colors of the silk in 100m-110y spools and each spool cost about $3.90. This is about 60 cents more per spool then Dharma Traders but you don't pay shipping-but you do pay taxes.....so it is still more expenve i guess, but it is easier to match colors then online. anyway, I have switched to mostly silk thread cause i mostly sew wool, linen, or silk so I thought I would give a heads up. They asked me to participate in a phone in survey so I made sure to mention how much I liked the fact that they were now carrying the silk thread. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 12:28:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DHSNJa006568 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:28:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DHRfZj014580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:27:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DHRU1P066490; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DHRP7h066432 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:27:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA31878 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:28:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: Historical Costume Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:27:24 GMT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <420f8dfc.2a28.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.127.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is a great pattern. I didn't even think Vogue would carry something like that. I might even try my hand at making a doll to go with this horse. I would just have to figure out the armor if I use a Knight. But I have a friend who makes armor for GI Joe dolls along with chain mail small enough for a Barbie; he makes it for his daughter's doll at events. I would like to one day make her a more period style doll. He's a single dad. Thank you for the suggestion. Roscelin >There is/was a vogue pattern that looked ok(by my standards at least) > >Pattern V7603, and you can look at the -picture at >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7603=x&TI=20016&pageNum=3 > >jordana ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 12:55:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DHt0Ui006816 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:55:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DHqKZj016187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DHqGr0084550; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:52:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DHqAQJ084484 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:52:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBV00HGL2YXB9@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.32] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.30]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:52:09 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women's working clothing, fur trade era 1800-1840 To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1192a8711918e3.11918e31192a87@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just found this web page - haven't fuly explored it - but it says it has pictures of the fur trapper era. http://www.xmission.com/~davis918/ hope this helps Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- > >I'm new here, and new to costuming/reenacting. We have recently joined our local "Mountainman" club and have been having a lot of fun so far. However, we are struggling with finding information on women's workwear for the period of 1800 - 1840. All the women's clothing pictures/patterns we can find are formal wear, evening gown type things. Is that all women wore back then? What did they wear in the kitchen, in the garden? Just their chemise? > >Blaine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 13:30:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DIULkC007076 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:30:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DITRZj019137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:29:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DITHr8009507; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DITEuc009430 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.114] (pm7-114.eos.net [205.133.149.114]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1DIT7wN008693 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:29:07 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:23:35 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200502131403.j1DE3Evj040783@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: : net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] custom afghans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chris: What company are you working with on this? I have seen these custom afghans before and I was interested in the possibility of one for a group I belong to. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 17:10:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DMAZJD008487 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:10:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DM9OZj003558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DM9CHf050604; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DM96uf050404 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:09:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (cpe-dhcp-syd-203.214.146.4.bigblue.net.au [203.214.146.4] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1DM8f84023322 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:08:48 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c51218$444c66e0$0492d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c510c5$cb4c3ca0$8b93d6cb@ewalpole> <003a01c51138$09a61fd0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:49:41 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to both Bjarne and Suzi for your recommendation, they had run out of the fabric I wanted, but I got another striped fabric that (to my inexperienced eye) looks passable enough for a group where historic costume is optional, but at $1.99/metre (as the lady cutting it said, a bargain and a half) I wasn't going to pass it up. They also had 50% off patterns & I was going to buy Butterick's new 18th century stays pattern, but I didn't find out until I had already spent 15 minutes in the queue to buy my fabric and I wasn't re-joining the queue again (I think it had got longer while I was waiting and I needed to get home). Thanks again, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric > Hi Elizabeth. > I would say the same as you said yourself 10 meters for anglaise/polonaise > gown and 12-15 meters of a francaise gown. > I always get surprised how much you need when you make a francaise dress. > The anglaise dress i made now has 3 widths for underskirt and the same for > overskirt + a little extra where i made some panels in purple taffeta. And i > did not use any fabric for trimmings. > Bjarne. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > To: "historic costume" > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:41 AM > Subject: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric > > > > Hi everyone, I've found a really good fabric for an 18th century dress and > > it's 50% off it's got a striped floral pattern woven in (i.e. a stripe of > > pale blue and a stripe of white with a floral pattern) I'm thinking I > > probably want a polonaise style gown as it requires less complex > > underpinnings and as it's ankle length it will be easier to dance in (the > > only event I can wear 18th century to is a dance event) but I also really > > love the look of the saque back gowns. So how much fabric would I need for > > either one of these gowns, I'm a size 18 (or 44-46 in European sizes) > > according to the 'big 3' patterns and roughly 5' 8" tall (170 cm for the > > Europeans). Based on my experience with 16th century I'm guessing 8-10m > > for > > a polonaise and 10-15m for a Saque (I can't remember the right term) but I > > wanted to check with more experienced people before I started making the > > dress only to find I had either far too much or far too little. > > Thanks > > Elizabeth (Hooray for having a job and the ability to take advantage of > > sales when they happen) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 17:36:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DMaUNn008643 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:36:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DMZfZj007155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:35:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DMZZYW070672; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:35:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DMZXo8070572 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1DMZHUD011948; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050213140343.01f686d0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:34:46 -0500 To: RenCostumer@yahoogroups.com, Courtesan@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT? 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I didn't think we were so large a community of PayPal users that we merited our OWN personalized phishing attempts ;-} Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 18:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1DN3E0E008850 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:03:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1DN2YZj009144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1DN2VRx089004; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1DN2RnZ088948 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-27449); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:02:12 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:02:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050213150140.00dbee00@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:02:23 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT? Bad Phish In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050213140343.01f686d0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:34 PM 2/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Frank and I had to share a laugh we got from this PayPal phishing attempt >on him: > >http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/n2kye/detail?.dir=/1516&.dnm=1660.jpg&.src=ph > >Note carefully to whom it is addressed. > >I didn't think we were so large a community of PayPal users that we >merited our OWN personalized phishing attempts ;-} > > > >Brenda >webwarren@earthlink.net I was not able to access the picture (i.e., access "not authorized"). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 13 20:26:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1E1QTmc009553 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1E1P9Zj018617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1E1Oktv050140; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:24:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50610.mail.yahoo.com (web50610.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1E1Ohks050028 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:24:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 46523 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2005 01:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20050214012435.46521.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:35 EST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:24:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] custom afghans To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502131900.j1DJ0895028440@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got to thinking about the woven throw afghan thing again and did a little searching.... I found a place, it could very well be the one my friend had ordered from given the nature of their specialty. This company, by the look of things, would be just fine for heraldic art. http://www.southernchrm.com/ The prices can't be beat and they are the size we are generally looking for. I would suspect others could be used for tapestry recreations, if contacted and guided to our needs. I found this one that does tapestry weaves: http://www.signature-creations.com/ A little more pricey, but the weaving is more complex. This one does photo throws: http://www.nice-things.com/afghans/photo_throws.html Prices are roughly on par with the previous link. http://www.extra-mile.com/blankets/keepsake.htm This one is more pricey yet, but I haven't read the page to figure out what the reason is. Ther eare many others honestly, I did a google search for "custom woven throw blankets" and got hundreds of hits. Hope this helps. Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 04:35:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1E9Zd4o022780 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:35:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1E9XrZj010972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:33:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1E9XRqp036079; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1E9XLUN035980 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D2305EE05D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:33:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:33:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] garden wall of lace X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Someone from my lace list sended this link. http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html Imagine to have a garden framed with lace! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 05:54:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EAsXpb012289 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:54:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EArcZj014580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:53:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EArTrq079656; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EArQqZ079608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1EAkPov021508 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:46:26 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:46:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42108323.1010804@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:53:23 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] garden wall of lace References: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Someone from my lace list sended this link. > http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html > Imagine to have a garden framed with lace! That's wonderful! Thank you! When you have a little time, could you give us a short description of what the page says? Does it tell the material used? Is the "ground fabric" a common garden fence (it looks like what I'd call a galvanized chain link fence) or did they knot it up also? Is the pattern a traditional one? -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent So you're saying I have to do a dance and cover myself in slime? -- Zoboomafoo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 07:13:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ECDZhh013341 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:13:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ECCUa9019118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EC5maG020081; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EC5kaU020053 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B478326284E for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:05:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c5128d$91ac15f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42108323.1010804@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] garden wall of lace Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:06:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cynthia There are some more photos of it here: http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Foto/Joep/Hek.html Apparently it is a man who made it with help from a lace teacher. Unfortunately i dont read dutch, so i cant say any more of it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] garden wall of lace > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Someone from my lace list sended this link. >> http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html >> Imagine to have a garden framed with lace! > > That's wonderful! Thank you! > > When you have a little time, could you give us a short description of what > the page says? Does it tell the material used? Is the "ground fabric" a > common garden fence (it looks like what I'd call a galvanized chain link > fence) or did they knot it up also? Is the pattern a traditional one? > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > So you're saying I have to do a dance and cover myself in slime? -- > Zoboomafoo > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 07:19:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ECJmDu013735 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:19:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ECIuZj019343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:18:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ECIqvu026859; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ECI33c026241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1ECB3ov022044 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:11:03 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:11:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421096F9.40701@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:18:01 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] garden wall of lace References: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42108323.1010804@thibault.org> <001a01c5128d$91ac15f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001a01c5128d$91ac15f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Cynthia > There are some more photos of it here: > http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Foto/Joep/Hek.html > Apparently it is a man who made it with help from a lace teacher. > Unfortunately i dont read dutch, so i cant say any more of it. Thanks, Bjarne! Such a great idea to enliven the house! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 08:09:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ED9HwR014163 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:09:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ED8kZj021725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ED8aEn055810; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ED8X5p055788 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0fxp-00038V-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:08:33 -0800 Message-ID: <4210A2D5.5040602@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:08:37 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <420f0724.6218.0@pcez.com> In-Reply-To: <420f0724.6218.0@pcez.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Roscelin, I have a really good one in my stash of doll patterns. I will look for it this evening when I get home. Contact me off-list and I will get a picture up on line and hunt the author down. If they are no longer available, I can scan and send you a copy. Sg roscelin wrote: > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to make a life-like >soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but life like; don't want anything that >looks cartoonish. I'm planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not using the correct >search terms or something but can't locate a pattern for a horse. > Thanks! > >Roscelin > >------------------- >http://www.pcez.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 08:12:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EDCbdA014195 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDBuZj021899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDBu7u057875; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDBr91057837 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:11:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-86-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.86.215]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDBqvF025809 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:11:52 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:11:50 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. They have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. Each suit has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two suit marks, and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games are period for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 08:27:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EDRIVj014397 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:27:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDQSZj022760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDQPkE066696; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDQNp5066630 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A6F65A4F0092; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:26:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Feb 05 13:26:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c51298$e9e735a0$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420f8dfc.2a28.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:27:19 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a title of a unique book for doll crafting that I found last year that might further peak your interest: Medieval and Tudor Needlecraft, Knights and Ladies in 1/2 Scale. (Sandra Whitehead) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "roscelin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern > That is a great pattern. I didn't even think Vogue would carry something like > that. I might even try my hand at making a doll to go with this horse. I would > just have to figure out the armor if I use a Knight. But I have a friend who > makes armor for GI Joe dolls along with chain mail small enough for a Barbie; > he makes it for his daughter's doll at events. I would like to one day make > her a more period style doll. He's a single dad. Thank you for the suggestion. > > > Roscelin > >There is/was a vogue pattern that looked ok(by my standards at least) > > > >Pattern V7603, and you can look at the -picture at > >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s.item.V7603=x& TI=20016&pageNum=3 > > > > >jordana > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 08:47:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EDlM89014585 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EDkQZj027410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDkNQa078590; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EDkLKY078520 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABA74FAC009A; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:46:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Feb 05 13:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <006101c5129b$b5c14420$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <420f0724.6218.0@pcez.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:47:20 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Rocelin, I was just thumbing the book I introduced earlier and there is a pic and pattern for "Horse in Caparison"!! Even though this book is scaled for 'doll house' dolls, the designs and patterns are really very good if you are going for a period look. They can always be knocked up a couple of sizes, Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "roscelin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: [h-cost] Horse pattern > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to make a life-like > soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but life like; don't want anything that > looks cartoonish. I'm planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not using the correct > search terms or something but can't locate a pattern for a horse. > Thanks! > > Roscelin > > ------------------- > http://www.pcez.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 10:14:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EFEbCs015090 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:14:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EFDpZj013515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EFDIEj038789; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EFCrl1038469 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7beb8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B3D5D5EE019 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:12:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c512a7$bf24b720$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:13:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lace fences X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I think it is something about a student from a university (male) enquired the lacemaker if she would learn him to make lace. He make fences of steel thread, and got the idea when he was making the netting. The teacher gave him a Chantilly lace pattern and showed him the teckniqes in this, and voila, a chantilly lace fence. http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 10:47:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EFlc7W015306 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EFkTZj016995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EFkNqv064861; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EFkIDK064717 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:45:58 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:45:30 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace fences Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Took this email at school and went to the picture - my students all go the wows they thought it was fantastic. Thank you for sharing theresa >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 2/14/2005 9:13:24 AM >>> Hi. I think it is something about a student from a university (male) enquired the lacemaker if she would learn him to make lace. He make fences of steel thread, and got the idea when he was making the netting. The teacher gave him a Chantilly lace pattern and showed him the teckniqes in this, and voila, a chantilly lace fence. http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 12:48:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EHmO88016230 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EHlAZj000873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EHkv6i080238; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EHkpsV080099 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so1372005wra for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=J1q+2z+Yik0i8LCSPEnVGbjE1MhIuZazT+jSxZLOec2R92w0NnHNRY3pCcnYpXy4MUjrOc/zAXWZa0VlaN0BASLgOjXsVKt35j7+fQmp6rkbYw9sbDjDxXEZChxIAsghpyraZr9idxLSAYpIK1qjZDXcS0/y674EN+qx/vYBUpE= Received: by 10.54.32.33 with SMTP id f33mr130135wrf; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c050214094659ee59c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:46:46 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT? Bad Phish In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050213140343.01f686d0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050213140343.01f686d0@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And i thought it was only me - a non-member of PayPal. (I couldn't open it, by the way.) i've been getting 3-5 of these emails per day and it's getting really annoying. LynnD. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:34:46 -0500, Brenda Bell wrote: > Frank and I had to share a laugh we got from this PayPal phishing attempt > on him: > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/n2kye/detail?.dir=/1516&.dnm=1660.jpg&.src=ph > > Note carefully to whom it is addressed. > > I didn't think we were so large a community of PayPal users that we merited > our OWN personalized phishing attempts ;-} > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 13:12:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EICaEO016385 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:12:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EIBdZj003363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EIBZCH003571; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50405.mail.yahoo.com (web50405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1EIBWld003427 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31622 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2005 18:11:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WqZ3ON9plsKRIVtICaYn8CstsYm1Y5iR5OuOA/XQpYsbLpTQ8Uz7szL0DzUM68wHbIagMuwgynWDWEldJtqzwTWvTb/ZqSwZnMD3vgfw/qSXmt1T3w3JKwgz+lENrkwcQBV6qmLovn3GX4v8TUDcNqICfh0VgwyZMBYOdsanHqE= ; Message-ID: <20050214181126.31620.qmail@web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.12] by web50405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:11:26 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT? Bad Phish To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c050214094659ee59c6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, I've been getting them on the Yahoo account--which is not the account set up on Paypal. But NONE on the account that is! Annoying, since I'm only trying to get through emails on breaks from sewing wedding stuff. *sigh* Angharad/wolfcat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 14:15:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EJF2xd016833 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EJDhZj010145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EJDZeq063937; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EJDVne063860 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0lf1-0000Ro-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:13:31 -0800 Message-ID: <009701c512c9$5da09a60$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:14:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. They >have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. Each suit >has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two suit marks, >and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games are period >for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian These folks sell reproduction games, but they also have links to the rules for a few. http://www.historicgames.com/ I have a reproduction french set first printed in 1600, and I have really enjoyed playing One-and-Thirty at events. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 14:24:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EJODjN016926 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:24:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EJNFZj011047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EJNCXG073142; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EJN8Rh073068 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:23:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D0loH-0001YO-7X for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:23:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:21:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] garden wall of lace References: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c51278$3bb04370$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We need to get netting for our archery practice - this has given me a whole new vision for it! Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote > >Hi, >Someone from my lace list sended this link. >http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html >Imagine to have a garden framed with lace! > >Bjarne > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 17:17:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EMHAEI018132 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EMG8Zj002190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EMFrXT039949; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:15:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (demon.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EMFN5D039445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: from demon.comcen.com.au (localhost.comcen.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1EMFJ4c035071; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:15:19 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from karinne@spin.net.au) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by demon.comcen.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id j1EMFJ1i035070; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:15:19 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: demon.comcen.com.au: nobody set sender to karinne@spin.net.au using -f Received: from genoa.ucc.usyd.edu.au (genoa.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.228.114]) by webmail.spin.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:15:19 +1100 Message-ID: <1108419319.421122f745d45@webmail.spin.net.au> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:15:19 +1100 From: karinne@spin.net.au To: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com, Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 129.78.228.114 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costuming, Weaving and Embroidery vocab list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Firstly apologies for the cross-posting. I recently added a page to my website that I hope might be useful for the costuming community. It contains Dutch costume terms translated into English, as well as weaving terms translated from Dutch into French, German and English, and Embroidery terms translated from Dutch into French and English. These translations come from two books I have access to, so if you feel they are not correct or these is a better word please contact me. The page is here: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~ktay0998/terms.html I hope this page will be useful for searching databases and continuing your research. Enjoy, Karinne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 18:03:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EN37v8018415 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:03:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1EN2JZj007087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EN22K2080632; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1EN12S6079750 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.159.4acb7f49 (4262) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <159.4acb7f49.2f428797@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:00:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costuming, Weaving and Embroidery vocab list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO yes it may be of use to us here at the inflatable crinoline and dress workshops, is some of the text into german, as im swiss,and could no doubt do something with it ,happy valentines gretchan re phillipas inflatable crinoline dresses _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 14 23:23:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1F4NX6v020018 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:23:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F4MeZj005207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1F4MT2Q010963; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1F4MMWQ010878 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0uEA-0004hK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:22:22 -0800 Message-ID: <42117904.2010300@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:22:28 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace fences References: <000d01c512a7$bf24b720$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000d01c512a7$bf24b720$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! Cool! Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > I think it is something about a student from a university (male) > enquired the lacemaker if she would learn him to make lace. He make > fences of steel thread, and got the idea when he was making the netting. > The teacher gave him a Chantilly lace pattern and showed him the > teckniqes in this, and voila, a chantilly lace fence. > http://www.kantopleiding-nko.nl/Aktiviteiten/Aktiviteiten.html > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 03:28:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1F8S1BH014512 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1F8R4Zj018877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1F8QtMY060784; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1F8QnBt060693 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 17557 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 08:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.1.12) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 08:25:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:31:58 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c51218$444c66e0$0492d6cb@ewalpole> Message-Id: <0E996B05-7F2C-11D9-BA50-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Elizabeth, I'm back! Anyway, the only thing I can add about your fabric is to make sure it has some body to it - I used a quilters cotton last time and it was too light to polonaise properly. I should have lined it. When I bustle my late victorian I use the horribly modern tulle - wonder what an historical alternative might be that I can both afford AND get my hands on! My next 18C attempt is a francaise gown, and I'm going to have to put the Elizabethan gown on hold for a while as I have to finish 8 victorian bustle gowns before Easter! Cheers, Aylwen On Sunday, February 13, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Thanks to both Bjarne and Suzi for your recommendation, they had run > out of > the fabric I wanted, but I got another striped fabric that (to my > inexperienced eye) looks passable enough for a group where historic > costume > is optional, but at $1.99/metre (as the lady cutting it said, a > bargain and > a half) I wasn't going to pass it up. > They also had 50% off patterns & I was going to buy Butterick's new > 18th > century stays pattern, but I didn't find out until I had already spent > 15 > minutes in the queue to buy my fabric and I wasn't re-joining the queue > again (I think it had got longer while I was waiting and I needed to > get > home). > Thanks again, > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric > > >> Hi Elizabeth. >> I would say the same as you said yourself 10 meters for >> anglaise/polonaise >> gown and 12-15 meters of a francaise gown. >> I always get surprised how much you need when you make a francaise >> dress. >> The anglaise dress i made now has 3 widths for underskirt and the >> same for >> overskirt + a little extra where i made some panels in purple >> taffeta. And > i >> did not use any fabric for trimmings. >> Bjarne. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" >> To: "historic costume" >> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:41 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric >> >> >>> Hi everyone, I've found a really good fabric for an 18th century >>> dress > and >>> it's 50% off it's got a striped floral pattern woven in (i.e. a >>> stripe > of >>> pale blue and a stripe of white with a floral pattern) I'm thinking I >>> probably want a polonaise style gown as it requires less complex >>> underpinnings and as it's ankle length it will be easier to dance in > (the >>> only event I can wear 18th century to is a dance event) but I also > really >>> love the look of the saque back gowns. So how much fabric would I >>> need > for >>> either one of these gowns, I'm a size 18 (or 44-46 in European sizes) >>> according to the 'big 3' patterns and roughly 5' 8" tall (170 cm for >>> the >>> Europeans). Based on my experience with 16th century I'm guessing >>> 8-10m >>> for >>> a polonaise and 10-15m for a Saque (I can't remember the right term) >>> but > I >>> wanted to check with more experienced people before I started making >>> the >>> dress only to find I had either far too much or far too little. >>> Thanks >>> Elizabeth (Hooray for having a job and the ability to take advantage >>> of >>> sales when they happen) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 10:16:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FFGK5g023813 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:16:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FFF1Zj026004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FFEnZD011428; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout19.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FFEj14011325 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trg.mann@virgin.net) Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050215151440.VSUG11211.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:40 +0000 Received: from MainComputer ([82.2.198.72]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050215151439.CSXJ26737.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@MainComputer> for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: <007601c51371$10d23150$48c60252@MainComputer> From: "Terry Mann" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1FFGK5g023813 Status: RO Hi, I am am a musician who lives in England. I sing in the choir at Waltham Abbey where Thomas Tallis was once Choirmaster, and I sometimes sing with a small group at Queen Elizabeth I's hunting lodge in Epping Forest. I also play the guitar and have just ordered a lute, so I am looking into costume for possible period performance. I'm looking at 16th and early 17th Century (renaissance) lute repertoire (John Dowland etc) and am looking for some patterns to make clothes - a simple top (doublet?) and breeches (?). I don't really know what all the various bits are called, but have spent the day so far looking on the internet for patterns with no luck. My mother used to be a dressmaker and she taught me to sew, even though I'm about the only man I know who can! I noticed on your pages that somebody was talking about making men's elizabethan/shakespearean costume, which is the kind of thing I am after (Dowland lived 1563-1627). Can anyone help? Thanks, Terry Mann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 10:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FFeR3Z024009 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:40:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FFdVZj028258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FFdPvO031459; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FFdMkm031424 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from h-67-100-45-112.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.45.112] helo=boris) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D14nK-0002tw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:39:22 -0800 Message-ID: <021901c51374$a2a825f0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007601c51371$10d23150$48c60252@MainComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:40:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Try these sites for patterns. www.margospatterns.com , www.reconstructinghistory.com Melusine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Mann" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Hi, I am am a musician who lives in England. I sing in the choir at Waltham Abbey where Thomas Tallis was once Choirmaster, and I sometimes sing with a small group at Queen Elizabeth I's hunting lodge in Epping Forest. I also play the guitar and have just ordered a lute, so I am looking into costume for possible period performance. I'm looking at 16th and early 17th Century (renaissance) lute repertoire (John Dowland etc) and am looking for some patterns to make clothes - a simple top (doublet?) and breeches (?). I don't really know what all the various bits are called, but have spent the day so far looking on the internet for patterns with no luck. My mother used to be a dressmaker and she taught me to sew, even though I'm about the only man I know who can! I noticed on your pages that somebody was talking about making men's elizabethan/shakespearean costume, which is the kind of thing I am after (Dowland lived 1563-1627). Can anyone help? Thanks, Terry Mann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 10:52:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FFqQJa024202 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:52:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FFpbZj029539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:51:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FFpYL7041956; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:51:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FFpQbf041737 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 15:51:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050215154550.014b0d68@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:51:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <021901c51374$a2a825f0$0300a8c0@boris> References: <007601c51371$10d23150$48c60252@MainComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A >Hi, > >I am am a musician who lives in England. I sing in the choir at Waltham >Abbey where Thomas Tallis was once Choirmaster, and I sometimes sing with >a small group at Queen Elizabeth I's hunting lodge in Epping Forest. I >also play the guitar and have just ordered a lute, so I am looking into >costume for possible period performance. I'm looking at 16th and early >17th Century (renaissance) lute repertoire (John Dowland etc) and am >looking for some patterns to make clothes - a simple top (doublet?) and >breeches (?). I don't really know what all the various bits are called, >but have spent the day so far looking on the internet for patterns with no >luck. My mother used to be a dressmaker and she taught me to sew, even >though I'm about the only man I know who can! > >I noticed on your pages that somebody was talking about making men's >elizabethan/shakespearean costume, which is the kind of thing I am after >(Dowland lived 1563-1627). Can anyone help? You could buy Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1660" which has scale patterns of original garments, plus many pictures of original garments and details. Also "Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh, which uses a grid system. The main source for costume books in England is www.rdfranks.co.uk Or come and see me in London, and I can talk you through it. See my web site @www.suziclarke.co.uk I have made many costumes for a group called Danse Royale out of Colchester, including their small group of musicians. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 11:09:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FG9F5c024337 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:09:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FG7mZj001122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FG7jB0056029; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:07:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FG7fud055387 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j1FG6xx26064.; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:06:59 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:06:59 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:06:21 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welcome to the list, Terry! Good to hear from another musician. I belong to a Renaissance music group (an offshoot of the Sealed Knot, but now independent) who have played at historic houses and museums in many parts of England. We dress in 1630s styles (although we play a lot of 16th century music). For that period I'd second the recommendation of www.reconstructinghistory.com , (though I've only made the lady's cap pattern myself). Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 11:15:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FGFq0q024383 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:15:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FGEwZj001884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:14:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGEqkA062523; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGEoIW062466 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:14:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792895@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes thread-index: AcURNgDmZOxhsQrfRDGZe2WNc+WgvwCQyHlw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > summer-dressmaking fabrics in a department store. I really > only bought it becasue it was perfect for an 18th century > gown even thoguh I had no plans to make opne before I saw it > and still haven't gotten around to doing so (that could be > due to the doll I would be making the gown for being in > Chicago while I'm in London, but knowing my lack of ability > to get around to stuff, I could be wrong there....) > > Teddy > > Oh, surely not!!! Don't all of us get right to work on a > project as soon as we have the idea for it :) (RIIIIIGHT!!) Anne, if it's true of you, you're a *shining* example to us all... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 11:47:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FGlLbd024533 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FGk6Zj005183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGk3TM092154; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGk0Dg092120 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:42:36 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns thread-index: AcUR1aZ81k9TiFvTSQiR7RijsZuXPgBpI6yw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A big thank you to everybody who emailed me about this last month. The wedding went wonderfully, the bride was positively radiant and the rush to get everything cut and fit (and I'm sure Annies work in doing all the sewing) was worth it for the moment the bride looke dat herself in the mirror, when laced into the gown for the first time, and said, "Whoever told me a woman my size couldn't look good in this style hadn't seen one in a gown that *fit*".(That and her comment when I added the belt around her hips that no-one had ever suggested she emphaside her *hips* before...) Rust coloured fitted gown with a dark olivey/mossy green cotton velver sideless surcote, a green velvet padded roll on the head with a coppery-bronze coloured veil attached (for the wedding not a period-correct event). Another friend had embroidered a belt-pouch for her, depicting a harp (the instrument she's known for playing) matching the colours to the gown, the lineing (pinkish wine-red) and the surcote , with the nice, but unseen touch that the pouch lining was printed with music. Pictures that ahve shown up so far don't show off the outfit much, but here's a lovely one of the happy couple for those who want a looksee. http://www.carlmccolman.com/gwenjoe.jpg Thanks again everyone _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 11:50:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FGokvb024559 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:50:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FGnmZj005575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:49:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGnkFn095132; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGmVLj094062 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:47:29 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Horse pattern To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792897@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Horse pattern thread-index: AcUR1aZ81k9TiFvTSQiR7RijsZuXPgBqB7dA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to > make a life-like soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but > life like; don't want anything that looks cartoonish. I'm > planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not > using the correct search terms or something but can't locate > a pattern for a horse. > Thanks! One of the Big pattern companies (Simplicity, i think) does a pattern for making a horse and riding outfit for American Girl doll sized dolls. The horse doesn't look very cartoonish to me, you might want to have a look at that pattern on the Simplicity patterns web catalogue Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 11:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FGrDQh024582 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:53:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FGqMZj005845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGqI9r097542; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FGqGJ4097488 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:52:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:49:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792898@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Horse pattern thread-index: AcUR1aZ81k9TiFvTSQiR7RijsZuXPgBqJvWA Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.21 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > There is/was a vogue pattern that looked ok(by my standards at least) > > Pattern V7603, and you can look at the -picture at > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/voguepatterns/shop.cgi?s. > item.V7603=x&TI=20016&pageNum=3 That's the one I meant - Vogue - not Simplicity. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 12:31:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FHVQ1R024989 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FHUWZj009892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FHUArd034008; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FHU69F033928 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 6498 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2005 18:59:29 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.153.226.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.153.226) by shada.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 18:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <42122B4F.6000101@oldwaylane.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:03:11 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy wrote: > The wedding went wonderfully, the bride was positively radiant and the > rush to get everything cut and fit (and I'm sure Annies work in doing > all the sewing) was worth it for the moment the bride looke dat herself > in the mirror, when laced into the gown for the first time, and said, > "Whoever told me a woman my size couldn't look good in this style hadn't > seen one in a gown that *fit*". I'm having the same reaction when I saw my lining and currently the blue wool on my dress form. Ok, I still haven't worked out the sleeves and the bust is in the wrong place on the form, but.... dang! who'd've thougth skin tight would look good on someone my size!! > Rust coloured fitted gown with a dark olivey/mossy green cotton velver > sideless surcote, a green velvet padded roll on the head with a > coppery-bronze coloured veil attached (for the wedding not a > period-correct event). Another friend had embroidered a belt-pouch for > her, depicting a harp (the instrument she's known for playing) matching > the colours to the gown, the lineing (pinkish wine-red) and the surcote > , with the nice, but unseen touch that the pouch lining was printed with > music. Sounds beautiful, Teddy. Glad everything went well. > > Pictures that ahve shown up so far don't show off the outfit much, but > here's a lovely one of the happy couple for those who want a looksee. > > http://www.carlmccolman.com/gwenjoe.jpg awwwww. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 13:24:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FIOwg2025386 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FINRZj015528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FINLcu086922; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FINHtc086854 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.228.192.172] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D17Lv-0002MF-ES for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:23:16 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Cqt6rHQLIPAirAntfYzZoZWG/rU81n7AirKfyOwcBAsAKGXX2xAiyoUUHZAxSQh3; Message-ID: <001c01c5138b$572b8920$acc0e404@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:22:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da940dd1b99e6d2d3aa45462251e18165a665350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.228.192.172 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lovely! Great work and a beautiful fit. (At first glance at this header, I thought it was spam from some new porn site.... - didn't help that it was sandwiched between "barely legal grils" and "(&Rol$x wat*h$s"....) Liadain, giggling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns >A big thank you to everybody who emailed me about this last month. > > The wedding went wonderfully, the bride was positively radiant and the > rush to get everything cut and fit (and I'm sure Annies work in doing > all the sewing) was worth it for the moment the bride looke dat herself > in the mirror, when laced into the gown for the first time, and said, > "Whoever told me a woman my size couldn't look good in this style hadn't > seen one in a gown that *fit*".(That and her comment when I added the > belt around her hips that no-one had ever suggested she emphaside her > *hips* before...) > > Rust coloured fitted gown with a dark olivey/mossy green cotton velver > sideless surcote, a green velvet padded roll on the head with a > coppery-bronze coloured veil attached (for the wedding not a > period-correct event). Another friend had embroidered a belt-pouch for > her, depicting a harp (the instrument she's known for playing) matching > the colours to the gown, the lineing (pinkish wine-red) and the surcote > , with the nice, but unseen touch that the pouch lining was printed with > music. > > Pictures that ahve shown up so far don't show off the outfit much, but > here's a lovely one of the happy couple for those who want a looksee. > > http://www.carlmccolman.com/gwenjoe.jpg > > Thanks again everyone > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 13:40:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FIeAhB025502 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FIdEZj017071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FId54p002169; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FId0eV002064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1FIVqov008458 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:31:52 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421241BC.1050408@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:38:52 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <001c01c5138b$572b8920$acc0e404@familyroom> In-Reply-To: <001c01c5138b$572b8920$acc0e404@familyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Frank Thallas wrote: > (At first glance at this header, I thought it was spam from some new > porn site.... - didn't help that it was sandwiched between > "barely legal grils" Yeah, I want a barely legal grill, for sure. One that has THOUSANDS of BTUs and will toast a whole cow in seconds! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Writer: When I say geeks, I'm using the term in its non-pejorative sense as a blanket term for all those good folks who dig various forms of speculative fiction (fantasy, science fiction, comics, roleplaying games, genre movies, etc.); Response: Egads, do words mean nothing anymore? May we simply cast wide our nets of meaning without regard for ontological trenchancy? When I was a kid, geek carried an implication of the possesion of and interest in at least a modicum of technical knowledge and prowess - preferably esoteric. Now I just need to like genre movies? -- freebird _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 13:41:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FIfFmm025509 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:41:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FIeIZj017197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIeG5a003274; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIdoHh002794 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28368 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:52:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:52:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So glad it worked out! Send us more pictures if you get them! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 13:46:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FIk0EO025552 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:46:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FIj2Zj017896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIiwsR007830; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@serrano.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIitLp007717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asj2001@columbia.edu) Received: from VAIO (dyn-ec-193-218.dyn.columbia.edu [160.39.193.218]) (user=asj2001 mech=LOGIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1FIimIX020933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c5138e$23723c20$9865fea9@VAIO> From: "Alexia S. Jacobs" To: References: <200502151731.j1FHVxPQ035740@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German Cards X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. They > >have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. Each suit > >has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two suit marks, > >and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games are period > >for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? > > In Switzerland people still play games called Jassen with these cards. There are different versions of Jass games, and this website has the rules. http://www.pagat.com/jass/swjass.html I hope this is helpful! Alexia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 14:44:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FJiTHW025868 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:44:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FJh6Zj024419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FJgn45063739; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:42:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FJgjFS063657 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.30]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FJcVbt031157 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:38:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050215113922.0761d7b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:41:51 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Cards In-Reply-To: <001301c5138e$23723c20$9865fea9@VAIO> References: <200502151731.j1FHVxPQ035740@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > >I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. >They have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. Each >suit has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two suit >marks, and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games are >period for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? >In Switzerland people still play games called Jassen with these cards. >There are different versions of Jass games, and this website has the rules. >http://www.pagat.com/jass/swjass.html >I hope this is helpful! Yes it is helpful, even tho my deck has 48 cards instead of 36. I should be able to work out something. The page was especially helpful for identifying the cards themselves. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 15:19:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FKJVYE026170 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FIFDZj014765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIF70c078915; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FIF4HY078688 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC1E80600B2; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:14:54 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.115 ([209.131.81.115] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 15 Feb 05 18:14:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c5138a$688cce00$735183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792897@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:16:00 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this is the one from Vogue that someone earlier brought to our attention. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Horse pattern > > > This is for the doll folks. I'm looking for a pattern to > > make a life-like soft schulpture horse. Not life size, but > > life like; don't want anything that looks cartoonish. I'm > > planning on making barding and possibly armour for it. > > > > I've already looked through the internet; either I'm not > > using the correct search terms or something but can't locate > > a pattern for a horse. > > Thanks! > > > One of the Big pattern companies (Simplicity, i think) does a pattern > for making a horse and riding outfit for American Girl doll sized dolls. > The horse doesn't look very cartoonish to me, you might want to have a > look at that pattern on the Simplicity patterns web catalogue > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 15:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FKPMUx026223 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:25:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FKOMZj028673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FKOIRH003471; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FKOGsl003352 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16696 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2005 20:24:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050215202410.16694.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:24:10 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050212061742.014a2c38@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO WOW, Suzi, I've flagged your email to keep...! I love what you do..... The gowns are terrifingly good! You finally gave me an idea on how to use an enormous amount of pink & cream striped silky material I bought then got stumped on what to make,that wouldn't resemble a circus tent. The Polonaise would be perfect...like the striped one in your site. As far as using the lining material for the other gown, it looks like silk in the photos too, ( I for one am a large fan of lining material, for the look of silk, for those of us who are" budget" costumers. I just finished an 1890's Bustle gown for my 13 yr old for a Victorian Dinner, I used, yes, yrds of lining fabric,and it came out gorgeous! The total cost of the costume,fabric- boning -trim-, was about $30. Great work! Melody --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > I usually get 10 metres of 150cm wide fabric for > 18th century dresses. (10 > 3/4 yards by 60"). This allows for a petticoat to > match, and loads of self > trim in the form of cuffs, frills, serpentine trim > on the front etc. There > is sometimes some left over, but not a lot - the > frills can take huge > amounts! If you are putting more fabric into the > sacque you will need a > bit more - 10 metres can be a bit mean. You can see > a couple of examples on > my web site - the shot pink is real silk, the mauvey > one is a cheap lining > fabric! > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/photogallery.php?start=4 > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 15:43:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FKhVn2026379 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FKgVZj000578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FKgRpK020844; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FKgKHP020713 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D19WN-0001d7-00; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:42:11 -0800 Message-ID: <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:18 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com> <421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Lonnie Bullington X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A few more patterns...My girlfriend knows where to look! You will have to scroll down the page a bit. A word of caution. The second is more for advanced doll makers, but the first by Pam Gross is very straight forward. http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id26.htm http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id4.htm Sg Wicked Frau wrote: > Okay, the artist is Kareena. She does patterns of all kinds of cool > animals. Some of her patterns are here: > http://www.fiberartshop.com/dlkbptm4.htm > > The body on the prancing horse isn't bad, but the head could use some > work. I could have sworn I had another she had done in grey > dupioni...but then I can't find my sloth or ardvarck either...I also > don't see her moose or elephant anywhere online. I will also write a > note to one of my doll pals...she has a great stash too. > > Here is a somewhat nicer head (which belongs to a zebra, but you could > modify it a bit) > > http://www.ryndaoriginals.com/Soft_S52.jpg > > Check this picture out on Ebay...of course you don't want to buy the > horse, but you can see some of the shaping lines which make it look > better. (I saved the picture myself) *http://tinyurl.com/3uvtw* > > Oh and just for kicks look at this $400 one! *http://tinyurl.com/5d9mc* > > Hope that helps. If I find anymore, I'll be sure to email you.. > Sg > > roscelin wrote: > >> Hi there, >> That would be great. Can't wait to see it. >> Rose/Roscelin >> >> >> >>> Hi Roscelin, I have a really good one in my stash of doll patterns. >>> I will look for it this evening when I get home. Contact me >>> off-list and I will get a picture up on line and hunt the author >>> down. If they are no longer available, I can scan and send you a copy. >>> >>> Sg >>> >> >> >> ------------------- >> http://www.pcez.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 15:51:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FKpRcV026444 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:51:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FKoRZj001554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FKoIDR028513; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FKoGPD028483 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.227.157.60] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D19eB-0005Vy-1E for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:50:16 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=UP3Xvn5I7Y3TJ3uNYicLYFmY0RwLHsqQwn12nT/SVqUhzKWxhH1UtIQx876bc7zz; Message-ID: <005101c5139f$f157d440$acc0e404@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk><001c01c5138b$572b8920$acc0e404@familyroom> <421241BC.1050408@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:50:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da94020130f7fa1056c3d931ab72788b676d3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.227.157.60 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Exactly. Perhaps one gets barely legal grils at the same store (Canadian, most likely ) that offers the illegal 3.5 gallon toilet..... Liadain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Virtue" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns > Frank Thallas wrote: sandwiched between >> "barely legal grils" > > Yeah, I want a barely legal grill, for sure. One that has THOUSANDS of > BTUs and will toast a whole cow in seconds! > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 16:08:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FL8oDL027910 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FL7wZj003369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:07:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FL7ROp044990; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FL7Nk3044797 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1FL7DBX002129; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:07:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050215160512.05e5c8d0@mail.webwarren.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:06:30 -0500 To: RenCostumer@yahoogroups.com, Courtesan@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My error: I forgot to change the privacy settings (usually set to "private"). It should be available now. If you can't get there directly, go to http://photos.yahoo.com/n2kye and click on the album "BadPhish" http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/n2kye/detail?.dir=/1516&.dnm=1660.jpg&.src=ph Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 16:27:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FLRH0s027980 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FLQDZj005070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLPtZd061793; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:25:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLPiS1061581 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.85] (p21.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.85]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1FLNU708281 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:23:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050215160512.05e5c8d0@mail.webwarren.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050215160512.05e5c8d0@mail.webwarren.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B9EC576-7F99-11D9-8C08-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:32:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What's the deal? I've been getting alot of similar messages from "paypal" myself. Also from "ebay". Sylrog On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Brenda Bell wrote: > My error: I forgot to change the privacy settings (usually set to > "private"). It should be available now. If you can't get there > directly, go to http://photos.yahoo.com/n2kye and click on the album > "BadPhish" > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/n2kye/detail?.dir=/ > 1516&.dnm=1660.jpg&.src=ph > > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 16:36:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FLaTq9028033 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:36:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FLZaZj005972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLZX0G070807; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:35:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cybrhost.net (mail.cybrhost.net [12.181.168.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLZV9I070652 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:35:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzanne@grannd.com) Received: from [68.46.38.211] (HELO Camelot) by cybrhost.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 27073669 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:35:21 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c513a6$4385fac0$6401a8c0@Camelot> From: "Suzanne Buffalino" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007601c51371$10d23150$48c60252@MainComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:35:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.caliverbooks.com/ and http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk/ We distribute both Margo's Historic Patterns and Reconstructing History Patterns to these two United Kingdom companies. Both frequently do shows around their areas. Suz Grannd Companies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Mann" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Hi, I am am a musician who lives in England. I sing in the choir at Waltham Abbey where Thomas Tallis was once Choirmaster, and I sometimes sing with a small group at Queen Elizabeth I's hunting lodge in Epping Forest. I also play the guitar and have just ordered a lute, so I am looking into costume for possible period performance. I'm looking at 16th and early 17th Century (renaissance) lute repertoire (John Dowland etc) and am looking for some patterns to make clothes - a simple top (doublet?) and breeches (?). I don't really know what all the various bits are called, but have spent the day so far looking on the internet for patterns with no luck. My mother used to be a dressmaker and she taught me to sew, even though I'm about the only man I know who can! I noticed on your pages that somebody was talking about making men's elizabethan/shakespearean costume, which is the kind of thing I am after (Dowland lived 1563-1627). Can anyone help? Thanks, Terry Mann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 16:41:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FLfAaY028059 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:41:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FLePZj006482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:40:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLeOw5075441; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLeM0h075398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:3540 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D1AQZ-0005x8-J5 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:40:15 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1FM8FYb008349 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j1FM8FhM008348 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:15 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502152208.j1FM8FhM008348@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish In-Reply-To: <1B9EC576-7F99-11D9-8C08-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > What's the deal? I've been getting alot of similar messages from > "paypal" myself. Also from "ebay". Easy they want to get your credit card number(s), your SSN, your bank account number(s) and other vital pieces of information that they can use to then purchase lots of stuff on *your* accounts! Remember those silly commercials advertising some Credit Card Protection -- one that comes to mind immediately is a woman cleaning a swimming pool, but the narration is of a man -- and he's talking about all the stuff he bought with *her* credit card. Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 16:53:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FLrAuv028128 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FLlFZj007216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:47:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLkdhR081020; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FLk7tB080497 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.15b.4ad1ffb5 (16335) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.4ad1ffb5.2f43c790@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi, for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the moment with her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by keith michell etc hugs pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMAHGQ028212 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FM1FZj008607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FM19HD094553; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FM13Tb094472 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1Akf-0007Q4-00; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:01:01 -0800 Message-ID: <42127126.6000502@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:01:10 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com> <421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "h-costume@indra.com" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And finally the one I was really thinking of. http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id4.htm scroll down to the horse above the prancing horse. The best of the bunch IMHO. Sg Wicked Frau wrote: > A few more patterns...My girlfriend knows where to look! You will > have to scroll down the page a bit. A word of caution. The second is > more for advanced doll makers, but the first by Pam Gross is very > straight forward. > http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id26.htm > > http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id4.htm > > Sg > > > Wicked Frau wrote: > >> Okay, the artist is Kareena. She does patterns of all kinds of cool >> animals. Some of her patterns are here: >> http://www.fiberartshop.com/dlkbptm4.htm >> >> The body on the prancing horse isn't bad, but the head could use some >> work. I could have sworn I had another she had done in grey >> dupioni...but then I can't find my sloth or ardvarck either...I also >> don't see her moose or elephant anywhere online. I will also write a >> note to one of my doll pals...she has a great stash too. >> >> Here is a somewhat nicer head (which belongs to a zebra, but you >> could modify it a bit) >> >> http://www.ryndaoriginals.com/Soft_S52.jpg >> >> Check this picture out on Ebay...of course you don't want to buy the >> horse, but you can see some of the shaping lines which make it look >> better. (I saved the picture myself) *http://tinyurl.com/3uvtw* >> >> Oh and just for kicks look at this $400 one! *http://tinyurl.com/5d9mc* >> >> Hope that helps. If I find anymore, I'll be sure to email you.. >> Sg >> >> roscelin wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> That would be great. Can't wait to see it. Rose/Roscelin >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Roscelin, I have a really good one in my stash of doll >>>> patterns. I will look for it this evening when I get home. >>>> Contact me off-list and I will get a picture up on line and hunt >>>> the author down. If they are no longer available, I can scan and >>>> send you a copy. >>>> >>>> Sg >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------- >>> http://www.pcez.com >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMB7Sf028215 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FM8RZj009404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FM8LK7001517; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxv2.wvu.edu (mxv2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FM8IZS001362 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv2.wvu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FM8CVp028853 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:08:01 -0500 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I understand it is a scam. If you go to the real site and log into your account, you can let them know this is happening. I have gotten a few of those and that's what I did. Good Luck, Rhonda Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru in Training Circulation Department Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert >>> sylvia@ntw.net 2/15/2005 4:32:35 PM >>> What's the deal? I've been getting alot of similar messages from "paypal" myself. Also from "ebay". Sylrog On Feb 15, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Brenda Bell wrote: > My error: I forgot to change the privacy settings (usually set to > "private"). It should be available now. If you can't get there > directly, go to http://photos.yahoo.com/n2kye and click on the album > "BadPhish" > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/n2kye/detail?.dir=/ > 1516&.dnm=1660.jpg&.src=ph > > > > Brenda > webwarren@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:13:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMDYhU028228 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:13:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMCcZj009991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMCUG9005468; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMCCbl005192 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:12:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea3.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.163]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1420F47FE56 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:12:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:12:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for the masqued ball. It was great! I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the wig and hat. The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in the back with a chignon. But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A sneak prewiev http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:23:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMN50U028277 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:23:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMLlZj011207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMLilk014009; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMLSGg013708 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:21:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.85.2164988f (16335) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <85.2164988f.2f43cfde@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:21:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO what you say is correct as my cousin was design consultant on the costunes,and oversaw all of the construction. pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:23:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMNx1D028280 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMHAZj010718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMH4bk009897; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FMGu5b009689 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 22:16:51 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050215221043.015bf960@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:16:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <15b.4ad1ffb5.2f43c790@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 16:45 15/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >hi, >for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes >allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre >companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the >moment with >her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made >all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by >keith michell etc I am sorry but if you mean "The Six Wives of Henry Vlll" designed by John Bloomfield, and starring Dorothy Tutin as Anne Boleyn, and Jane Seymour as one of the other wives, that is not correct. The costumes for the wives were made by Jean Hunnisett. If it is any other film, then I don't know. This was a film made by the BBC, and most of the costumes were made in house, by the staff at the BBC, when they had a wardrobe department. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:24:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMOBVk028284 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMN9Zj011336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMN6Fm015193; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMN2tE015131 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.19] (p03.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.19]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1FMKm712753 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:20:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200502152208.j1FM8FhM008348@sabre.goldsword.com> References: <200502152208.j1FM8FhM008348@sabre.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DB7B966-7FA1-11D9-8C08-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:29:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I know this too. I've been reporting them to both paypal and ebay. On Feb 15, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Susan Farmer wrote: >> >> What's the deal? I've been getting alot of similar messages from >> "paypal" myself. Also from "ebay". > > Easy they want to get your credit card number(s), your SSN, your bank > account number(s) and other vital pieces of information that they can > use to then purchase lots of stuff on *your* accounts! Remember those > silly commercials advertising some Credit Card Protection -- one that > comes to mind immediately is a woman cleaning a swimming pool, but the > narration is of a man -- and he's talking about all the stuff he bought > with *her* credit card. > > Jerusha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:39:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMdQ67028364 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:39:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMZGZj012561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMZDhv026618; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMZAMV026570 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.217]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1BHi-0004eF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:35:10 -0800 Message-ID: <13482673.1108506899889.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:34:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Frank and Tracy Thallas To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! Fantastic! Liadain -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Feb 15, 2005 3:12 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Hi, This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for the masqued ball. It was great! I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the wig and hat. The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in the back with a chignon. But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A sneak prewiev http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:46:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMkuae028422 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:46:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMi7Zj013600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMi4Ad034840; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMgrtv033631 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jacquelinejbump@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so894330rne for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:42:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lyP9/Xv4NRqUXRVDYhkFuHLfB0d7u1MUuTJad7iC7a8GikRPH/oyvs0qPQSKpasSOyldyaTl4h6E0X1gbarkRACCfcqHEDtxhekpc15ZONoILXQ1s+rHB3e6afEZY4e4oYQ7c6VYxwMw6EXdPXin2ShdnmNfcA2bpIJm1Y9viaI= Received: by 10.38.218.39 with SMTP id q39mr230595rng; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.161.13 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:42:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:42:52 -0500 From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. -- ============================ Soda Club Distibutor http://snipurl.com/avkn http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 17:47:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FMl2d2028425 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:47:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FMjfZj013716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FMje21036233; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:45:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FMjatT036057 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:45:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 22:45:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050215224300.014b1868@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:44:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <85.2164988f.2f43cfde@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:21 15/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >what you say is correct as my cousin was design consultant on the >costunes,and oversaw all of the construction. >pippa What was your cousin's name - maybe I know her? I know many of the people Jean worked with, and of course I know the designer, John Bloomfield. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 18:16:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FNGKsC028576 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:16:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FNF4Zj016817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FNEvJr061744; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:14:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1FNEtej061633 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050215231449.13192.qmail@web81402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.237.237] by web81402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:49 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Cards To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001301c5138e$23723c20$9865fea9@VAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This looks like fun, where would one get the appropiate cards? I have a friend who has the German persona/costumes and isn't all that mobil right now because of knee surgery and this would be a perfect will awhile the time activity for her Alex --- "Alexia S. Jacobs" wrote: > > > > > >I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, > Vienna. > They > > >have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. > Each > suit > > >has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two > suit > marks, > > >and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games are > period > > >for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? > > > > > In Switzerland people still play games called Jassen with these > cards. > There are different versions of Jass games, and this website has the > rules. > http://www.pagat.com/jass/swjass.html > I hope this is helpful! > Alexia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 18:33:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1FNXRt5028691 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1FNWXZj018650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FNWQxx077451; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from covert.brown-ring.iadfw.net (covert.brown-ring.iadfw.net [209.196.123.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1FNVw3a076951 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lecachot@airmail.net) Received: from pppte02-282.ght.iadfw.net ([66.94.129.28] helo=hewlettt06rp0e) by covert.iadfw.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1D1CCm-0001xT-9c for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:34:08 -0600 Message-ID: <029401c513b6$bbd82f10$1c815e42@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Lee & Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:33:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Once again, what can anyone say but "WOW!" Are you sure you wouldn't like to adopt another niece? Susan :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece > Hi, > This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for > the masqued ball. It was great! > I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the > wig and hat. > The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in > the back with a chignon. > But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A > sneak prewiev > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 19:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G0FjgB028887 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G09vZj022729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G09r6V009268; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G08bvY008151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.13] (acty3013.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.13]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1G08VNh000580 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:08:34 -0500 Message-ID: <42128EFB.2010304@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:08:27 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Carolyn. I believe there is a historical games list out there (kind of like h-cost), and there is the SCA Florilegium that has articles on almost any interest. I believe Stephan (the listowner) has many card games listed in order of historical time and nationality. You could also go to SCA.org, type in the assorted Kingdoms, look and see if anyone is listed as being in charge of games and contacting them or looking at their personal sites. You might also look to groups that reenact Landsknechts and pick their brains for ideas. Just some thoughts. BTW, there are some historical cards out there that are marvelous for looking at fashions, especially some of the earlier ones that were more artistic than utilitarian. Mike T. > I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. > They have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. > Each suit has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only > two suit marks, and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. > What games are period for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using > these cards? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 19:39:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G0dVrx028985 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G0btZj025925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:37:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G0bTB7029409; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:37:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G0aq9K029018 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31400 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:49:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:49:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish In-Reply-To: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. Oh my goodness! I wondered what the fuss was about. That's hysterical! Someone on this list used to have a .sig that said "One tough costumer." Who was that? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 20:29:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G1TjVA029238 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:29:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G1RlZj000482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:27:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G1Rhij064786; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G1RfJp064709 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m55.in-tch.com [216.166.191.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1G1ONI17893 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:24:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4212A2BF.90104@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:32:47 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO She looks very nice, as well as happy! ;-D Who did the groom's vest? I think I've got that embroidery pattern in a book somewhere.... --sue Teddy wrote: > A big thank you to everybody who emailed me about this last month. > > The wedding went wonderfully, the bride was positively radiant and the > rush to get everything cut and fit (and I'm sure Annies work in doing > all the sewing) was worth it for the moment the bride looke dat herself > in the mirror, when laced into the gown for the first time, and said, > "Whoever told me a woman my size couldn't look good in this style hadn't > seen one in a gown that *fit*".(That and her comment when I added the > belt around her hips that no-one had ever suggested she emphaside her > *hips* before...) > > Rust coloured fitted gown with a dark olivey/mossy green cotton velver > sideless surcote, a green velvet padded roll on the head with a > coppery-bronze coloured veil attached (for the wedding not a > period-correct event). Another friend had embroidered a belt-pouch for > her, depicting a harp (the instrument she's known for playing) matching > the colours to the gown, the lineing (pinkish wine-red) and the surcote > , with the nice, but unseen touch that the pouch lining was printed with > music. > > Pictures that ahve shown up so far don't show off the outfit much, but > here's a lovely one of the happy couple for those who want a looksee. > > http://www.carlmccolman.com/gwenjoe.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 20:31:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G1VVWs029251 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:31:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G1TmZj000614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:29:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G1Tm4Q066187; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1G1Ti6R066146 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:29:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-2912); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:28 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050215172856.00ba2180@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish In-Reply-To: References: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:49 PM 2/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > > I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. > >Oh my goodness! I wondered what the fuss was about. That's hysterical! > >Someone on this list used to have a .sig that said "One tough costumer." >Who was that? > >--Robin That's Margo Anderson (Margo's Historic Costumes) out here in California. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 20:37:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G1bcDE029270 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G1aqZj001211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:36:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G1aott071056; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:36:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G1a0gv070466 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050216013555015006m3f9e>; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:35:55 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:35:53 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:35:53 +0000 Message-Id: <021620050135.21314.4212A3790003E1030000534222058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne: Stunning!!Absolutely *stunning*!!! And your niece is lovely, too!!!! Congratulations and best wishes for your upcoming presentation with your niece! Gia...wishing I was your niece, too... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi, > This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for the > masqued ball. It was great! > I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the > wig and hat. > The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in the > back with a chignon. > But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A sneak > prewiev > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 21:09:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G29jTn029423 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G28rZj003387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G28idM092908; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G28frU092813 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.bd.51910a19 (4262) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:08:31 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:08:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Teddy They look great and very happy. HOpe my sewing will look as good. theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 21:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G2LaPe029499 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:21:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G2KfZj004318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G2KcmV001361; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:20:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G2Kadf001285 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ea.632b2a22 (4262) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:20:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Got to see every thing but the dress for your niece. Beautiful things by the way. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 22:49:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G3nSQe029921 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:49:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G3mRZj010739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3loaZ058895; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:47:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.56.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3lmNx058462 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.1.185.217 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:46:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.1.185.217] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502151732.j1FHVxPS035740@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:46:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 03:47:03.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D5683D0:01C513DA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] gothic fitted gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm working on a fitted gown right now - all has gone very well UNTIL ... the sleeves. I've made the lining and the gown itself without a pattern - by draping, fitting, sewing and THEN cutting the material. My three attempts at the sleeves have all been catastrophes - does anyone have any hints on how to do sleeves without a pattern? Especially for a gothic fitted dress? Berenice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 22:52:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G3qciS029938 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G3pmZj011048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:51:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3plsx061353; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3oRKt060489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G51W2V007615 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:01:36 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:50:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502152250.16791.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 15 February 2005 5:12 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for > the masqued ball. It was great! > I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the > wig and hat. > The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in > the back with a chignon. > But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A > sneak prewiev Even so, the ensemble is stunning. Your niece doesn't know how lucky she is, to have you available to make such a wonderful dress for her--with accessories! -- Cathy Raymond "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much."--Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 22:54:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G3sMcw029945 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G3reZj011157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3rbMZ062537; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G3rZmD062500 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.245]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G3rTvJ018586 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050215194605.0248c2e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:47:24 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume In-Reply-To: <42128EFB.2010304@dandy.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >You might also look to groups that reenact Landsknechts and pick their >brains for ideas. That's one of the reasons I need the game rules - I'm in such a group. >Just some thoughts. BTW, there are some historical cards out there that >are marvelous for looking at fashions, especially some of the earlier ones >that were more artistic than utilitarian. And that's the reason I bought the deck in the first place - fashion plates. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 15 23:31:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G4VADp030109 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G4UJZj013958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G4UC2E086282; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav27.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.11.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G4UBNJ086154 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV27.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:29:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:29:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:29:59 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 04:30:00.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D4759E0:01C513E0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1G4VADp030109 Status: RO Thank you - I did miss that! Janet I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. -- ============================ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 00:00:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G50Rsk030223 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G4xNZj016064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G4xE5H005299; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G4xBw4005169 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:58:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 04:59:00.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A914F80:01C513E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh. OW! I'd missed it too... It's like when I get those messages that begin with "Dear Alix de Minerve," Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. > > -- > ============================ > Soda Club Distibutor > http://snipurl.com/avkn > http://stores.ebay.com/Kristalori > http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=12510305 > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 00:05:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G55iFK030250 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G54tZj016439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G54qNu008938; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G51Bc5006519 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:00:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 05:01:00.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[82020990:01C513E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Someone on this list used to have a .sig that said "One tough costumer." > Who was that? That's Margo Anderson. I think she's still using it. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 00:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G5ETFS030294 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:14:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G5CdaH017208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G56hJC010016; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G52UiA007377 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:00:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> <42128EFB.2010304@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:02:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 05:01:00.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[823E9D60:01C513E4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Also, you can get a booklet called "Medieval Games" by Salaamallah the Corpulent. I bought mine at Pennsic, but it should be available somewhere else... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 00:18:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G5IYQN030306 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G5GrZj017679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G5Gr4l016912; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G5GoOG016877 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01305 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:29:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:29:24 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] gothic fitted gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Laura Waack wrote: > I'm working on a fitted gown right now - all has gone very well UNTIL > ... the sleeves. I've made the lining and the gown itself without a > pattern - by draping, fitting, sewing and THEN cutting the material. > My three attempts at the sleeves have all been catastrophes - does > anyone have any hints on how to do sleeves without a pattern? > Especially for a gothic fitted dress? I can offer a few suggestions. First I should note that I believe there was more than one "right" way to do this in period, and that I myself have found at least three or four variations that I've favored at one time or another. Right now, I'm favoring a sleeve that starts at one piece at the top, then bends around the elbow, with the "fold" of the sleeve turning into a seam over the elbow and along the outside of the forearm -- allowing for an overlap for buttonholes there. But there are other ways to do this, too. I'm sure there are other people on this list who can suggest other methods, so you may end up finding another that suits you better. Here are a few key points that seem to hold true for all the methods I've found successful: -- Make your armhole tight to the body on the *seam* line. Depending on your fabric, you may need to trim back or clip your seam allowance to allow enough room for your arm to go through this armhole. It's especially important for the seam to hug close to the body at the underarm so you can raise your arm without getting hung up by your (non-moving) torso fabric. -- Make your sleeve cap shallow, to allow flexibility on top as you lift your arm. -- Put the highest point of the sleeve cap 2-3 inches behind the top of your shoulder (this is where you need the most length on the sleeve; hug yourself and consider where the stretch will go). Put the deepest point of the sleeve curve correspondingly 2-3 inches forward of your side seam, which is where you want the least bulk. -- You will be happiest if you have an outer fabric of wool, which is more flexible and doesn't fray compared to other fabrics. I generally put a seam allowance (and attach my sleeve) on the outer fabric only; I cut the body lining right to the armhole seam line and bind the raw edge, later to whip it down to the armhole seam allowance formed by the outer fabric. -- Make a loose mockup (that is, correct at the armhole seam but loose below that), baste it in, and try it on; do the final tightening and shaping (actually, have a friend do it for you) with the arm bent 3/4 and held up so your hand is about a foot in front of your navel. That positions your arm about midway in its range of motion on all its axes. As it happens, I've explained this all in depth via private e-mail not long ago to someone who wrote me with a similar question. I don't think she'll mind if I include her question as a quote here, so I'll reproduce my two longish posts to her below. Perhaps that will be of some help to you. Forgive me if it repeats some of the points I listed above! I've edited slightly for clarity and to remove extraneous material. --Robin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Mary wrote: > I'm sorry to bother you, but I've been reading your > not-quite-a-webpage on the GFD, and I noticed there wasn't much on how > to do the sleeves. Some of my friends and I were sewing this evening, > and we were discussing how much we hate doing sleeves, and how > Elizabethan and Italian sleeves are easier due to how they aren't > set-in and don't have to match the shoulder seam on the body > perfectly. ... I want to know if you find the sleeve part of the GFD > to be difficult, and how you go about doing them. Good question. At this point, I don't find sleeves difficult, but then that's because I've adjusted to a way of working with the fabric that skips the "drafting" step that people today are used to, for Elizabethan as well as modern. I don't measure anymore; I hold fabric directly against a person (or against an already-fitted part of the garment) and cut from there, then baste it in and adjust on the body. I think that if people in period were accustomed to working this way, and had never worked with tape measures and drafted patterns, there wouldn't be an issue of unfamiliarity and discomfort. As it is, though, I've gotten used to people watching me cut a sleeve cap by eye, and slap it into place, as though they think I'm an alien being. ("You scare me," says one friend.) On sleeves, though, I still do a mockup, basted into place, to get the hang and flexibility just right for the person. I don't like wasting my "real" fabric. I suppose I don't need to do mockups anymore, since my mockup cut generally comes out right the first time, but I don't want to screw up the one time I don't have enough fabric. One key is to get the armhole opening very very close to the arm, and the armhole seam right on the line of the "bend" of the arm in its socket, all the way around. You can feel this line with your fingertip as the person moves the arm in different directions, and see much of it in a "fold" that appears as the arm moves. That's your seam line. The most common error is to drop the armhole too far at the underarm, which causes restriction when the person raises her arm. Shape it right against the body (though over a chemise, which does take up a little room). It is almost impossible to do this for yourself! It also helps to be working in a good-quality flexible fabric that won't fray much, like a dense wool. Linen will fray a great deal when you trim those sleeve seams down. I do not use linen on my outer layer. On the lining layer, I usually cut the linen right to the seam line at the armhole (no seam allowance). Then, as part of my garment finishing, I bind the raw edge with a strip of fabric and tack down the bound edge to the armhole seam formed by the outer fabric. Not having to work around the seam allowance on the lining really helps you see where the arm moves without restriction. Sometimes I line my sleeves. It depends on my whim. If I'm working in silk, I always line to reduce fraying. When I line, I also bind the upper edge of the sleeve lining, and later I whip stitch the bound edges of the sleeve lining and body lining butted together at the armhole seam. It seems this would cause a lot of bulk, but it's really less restrictive than a folded-back seam allowance. You can use a thin silk for your binding, too. And of course fit the outer layer of the sleeve over the lining layer so that you allow for the extra bulk. (If I lay the lining/mockup sleeve flat to cut the outer fabric to match, I might allow a tiny shade more of fabric on the outer fabric, but often wool will stretch sufficiently to do this by itself and I end up taking the excess out anyway.) Getting the fit exactly to the body is mostly an issue of cutting the armhole. Once you have that, the sleeve is just cut to fill the space. I routinely fit the nuances of the sleeve curve and width on the person, knowing that the armhole seam is already in the right location. I have tried several ways of cutting the sleeve, and right now I use a semi-two-part construction with a lengthwise fold/seam running down the outside back of the arm that allows for fitting over the elbow and most of the shaping of the lower arm. This also becomes the button seam, if you're buttoning (in which case you need a slight overlap for the buttonhole edge; on the button edge, put the buttons right on the edge of the fabric). There's an inside seam too, from the inner front of the arm (the shortest part of the sleeve). I generally don't tell people that this is *the* way, though, because I've had success with a few other methods, and I don't feel strongly that any one version is more accurate than another. I would expect they had multiple methods in period too. I start with the arm portion of the sleeve cut too wide below the cap; once I have the cap shaped right to fit the armhole, I do the shaping of the rest of the sleeve on the arm. What does seem to be very helpful is to fit the sleeve over the arm while the arm is in a certain position. Bend the elbow about halfway between full extension and full flex; if the sleeve fits the midway point, it'll move equally easily in each direction. (I worked this out by looking at the "routine" wrinkles shown on arms in artwork with arms in various positions. You'll normally get a few wrinkles at the elbow when you straighten, and that shows even in sketches and brasses.) Also, fit the arms at a natural angle from the body -- not sticking out at the side, but slightly forward and a little raised. Consider the angle of your arms while you're typing, and you're pretty close to the mark. This all sounds much more complicated than it is! --Robin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Mary wrote: > I want to see if I've got this right. > > Forget we've ever used a "pattern". :) Put the person in the dress > (without sleeves) and fit it. Then take a tube made of two pieces of > fabric, make the "armhole" of the top of the sleeve match the armhole > of the garment body(in size and curves), then fit the rest of the arm. > (the fitting being the hard to describe part!) Basically correct? Yes, except for the "tube" part. My finished sleeve pieces have a curve to them, kind of like two boomerangs placed with two of the outer sides together (they connect at the upper arm outer seam). The curve is at the elbow, and so they splay apart at the bottom in an upside-down Y. So you'll want to start with fabric that's cut roughly in a shape like this: _______ _/ | \_ | | | | | | | | | | | |a | | | | | | / | \ / | \ / | \ / | \ / | \ / | \ / | \ \ | / \_____|_____/ ...with that center vertical line a "starter seam" destined to become the shaped back seam. Run it from the upper back of the armhole, over the elbow point, and shape it to fit on the body. The straight distance "a" is a measurement you can take before you cut this (or just hold it up to the body for the length) -- it's the distance on the arm from the front lower point on the armhole (about two inches forward of the side seam) to the inner bend of the elbow. That's where the inner seam will run. Flare the bottom part out a bit more than I showed here; ASCII limited me to showing only a slight flare, but I usually start with about 45 degrees. You can always cut it back in fitting. Gee, I hope that gives a hint. The drawing really doesn't do it justice. The sleeve cap should be very shallow, with a slight dip at what will become the seam at the lower front of the armhole. Having done this a couple hundred times, I can now sketch that curve by eye to fit, and I baste that seam into the armhole before I even put it on the body. Then, on the body, I make only the slightest adjustments in the sleeve cap, and then busy myself with pinning the outer seam of the arm around the model's half-bent arm. When you pin, the lower folded edge forms a triangular flap that's widest at the bottom, by the wrist; that all gets cut off to create the buttoned part of the seam. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 02:13:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1G7DJOS001875 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1G77BZj024275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1G75wjr082242; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1G75Pgn081953 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52927 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2005 07:05:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 05:56:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GAuojC029660 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:56:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GAtoZj020280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GAsRNt012097; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GArg1u011581 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:53:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928A4@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns Thread-Index: AcUTkkFsfImeHC/jR1eNSiqjxs1zVgAgw3rA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So glad it worked out! Send us more pictures if you get them! > > --Robin Will do. I'm hoping someone got a decent full-length picture of it, they processed around the room and stopped behind the altar *before* the photo-session started. The bride has since commented that she was on too much of a Bride High to think about the photo implications of doing that....... And has put out an appeal for photos. Thanks for the advice. Teddy (who will be working on altering the gown since the pre-shrunk fabric shrank *again* when it was dyed) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBXDQq032402 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GB7iZj021384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GB7h3E020628; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:07:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GB5tRj019552 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:05:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928A5@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric Thread-Index: AcUTtJxzYWft9kmvTWibRSPO+sQnlQAYbWRQ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > WOW, Suzi, I've flagged your email to keep...! > I love what you do..... > > --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/photogallery.php?start=4 I just had a chance for a proper look through it too. I love it when I recognize a fabric source in a costume photo. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/eagle.jpg The fabric in this image is from Perkins in Hampshire - I have several metres of the red, the green and the black version of it sitting in my sewing room (plus several more metres of the black in a partially finished Elizabethan gown) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:33:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBXK1Z032405 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:33:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GBV8aT022974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBRpW5033147; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1GBRinT032967 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 11:27:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050216112444.014b1b18@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:27:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928A5@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx .ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1GBRinT032967 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:05 16/02/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > WOW, Suzi, I've flagged your email to keep...! > > I love what you do..... > > > > --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > > > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/photogallery.php?start=4 > >I just had a chance for a proper look through it too. > > I love it when I recognize a fabric source in a costume photo. > >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/eagle.jpg > >The fabric in this image is from Perkins in Hampshire - I have several >metres of the red, the green and the black version of it sitting in my >sewing room (plus several more metres of the black in a partially >finished Elizabethan gown) Sorry to disillusion you Teddy, but this is not from Perkins - he does a cheaper copy of this. This is from Watts in Tufton Street, behind Westminster Abbey, and I bought it long before I had heard of Perkins. I think it was £35.00 about 12-15 years ago - hate to think of the price now, but it is silk! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:34:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBY95V032412 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GB5eZj021163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GB5blT019295; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [68.230.241.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GB385o017590 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladys123@cox.net) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.56]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:03:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: To: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 6:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] inca womens costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native Inca womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor is allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period depictions but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought I would. I hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take pity on me and help out. Thanks, I'll return to lurk mode now, Meghan Draper Elizabethan enthusiast, non-western art student _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:34:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBYBBS032411 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:34:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GBHFZj022096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:17:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBHCxa026578; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBHAOr026534 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:16:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Jacqueline Johnson wrote: > > > I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of > customer. > > Oh my goodness! I wondered what the fuss was about. That's hysterical! > > Someone on this list used to have a .sig that said "One tough > costumer." Who was that? That would be Margo Anderson Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:41:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBfLsF032474 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:41:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GBedZj023496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBeYkO040500; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:40:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBeU6K040460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1GBXQov025307 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:33:26 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:33:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4213312C.7070506@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:40:28 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Vest Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792896@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <4212A2BF.90104@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <4212A2BF.90104@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > She looks very nice, as well as happy! ;-D > Who did the groom's vest? I think I've got that embroidery pattern in a > book somewhere.... One of the larger format medieval needlepoint books. I have it too. It's a renaisannce cityscape rendered on a modern vest/waistcoat. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 06:49:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GBnCm8032503 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:49:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GBmFZj023943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:48:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBmC2d045289; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GBm9eX045245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1GBf5ov025390 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:41:05 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:41:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421332F7.2060907@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:48:07 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries.......... how about theses... References: <20050216070520.52925.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050216070520.52925.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melody Watts wrote: > HAs anyone considered the Tapestries from Chivalery > Sports Inc. at www.renstore.com ? Thanks for posting this! I am not a fan of their clothes, but the tapestry throw looks fairly nice (if probably very pixilated). -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 08:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GDCQtP000398 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:12:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GDBLZj029757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GDBEwB087974; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GDBCtB087949 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1OxU-0004PP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: <4213467A.4060303@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:11:22 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece References: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c513ab$63914f90$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cooool! I hope you have so much fun! Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 08:38:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GDc2hL000510 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GDb5Zj001832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GDb2Xn003514; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:37:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GDawMj003416 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC74C7500B4; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:36:52 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.110 ([209.131.81.110] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Feb 05 13:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01c5142c$bbab2800$6e5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:37:58 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe I might have some pic's of Inca Costume. I am confused about the 'colonial' part of your question. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] inca womens costume > Hello, > > I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native Inca womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor is allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period depictions but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought I would. I hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take pity on me and help out. > > Thanks, I'll return to lurk mode now, > > Meghan Draper > Elizabethan enthusiast, non-western art student > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 09:21:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GELqNp000783 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GEKmZj005548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:20:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GEKZ63032562; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GEKY85032471 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m230.in-tch.com [216.166.191.230]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1GEHFI03581 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:17:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <421357E5.1030301@in-tch.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:25:41 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish References: <4c5accc805021514427d65f944@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I missed it, too. How funny! --sue, who's father's business was "Clem's Christmas Trees" and he used to get things addressed to "Dear Mr. Trees" Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Oh. OW! I'd missed it too... > > It's like when I get those messages that begin with "Dear Alix de Minerve," > > Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Johnson" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > > > >>I think people are missing that it says COSTUMER instead of customer. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 09:40:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GEeiKD000900 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:40:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GEdlZj007546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:39:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GEdfBJ046320; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GEcgEt045743 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.182]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050216143829.DVWW1218.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:38:29 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050216083237.01dcdd18@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:38:25 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1GEcgEt045743 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 6 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I received an email from the publisher of the NESAT 6 volume today. They are considering reprinting if they get enough requests. They can be contacted at: Department of Archaeology Göteborg University Box 200 SE-405 30 GÖTEBORG Tel. 0046 31 773 46 14 To avoid afflicting spam upon them, I am not posting their email address to the list. I will send it privately on request. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:24:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFO9wE001131 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:24:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFKBZj012308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFK5V5081935; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:20:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFDN7x075212 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:13:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Perkins fabric (WAS:18th century style gown how much fabric) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928B5@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Perkins fabric (WAS:18th century style gown how much fabric) Thread-Index: AcUULaDa2koaCZJvSguqi7jKrvOw0AAC3gGQ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1GFDN7x075212 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > I love it when I recognize a fabric source in a > costume photo. > > > >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/eagle.jpg > > > >The fabric in this image is from Perkins in Hampshire - I have several > >metres of the red, the green and the black version of it sitting in my > >sewing room (plus several more metres of the black in a partially > >finished Elizabethan gown) > > > Sorry to disillusion you Teddy, but this is not from Perkins - he does a > cheaper copy of this. This is from Watts in Tufton Street, behind > Westminster Abbey, and I bought it long before I had heard of Perkins. I > think it was £35.00 about 12-15 years ago - hate to think of the price now, > but it is silk! I paid five pounds and seven pounds a metre for mine as seconds from Perkins (the red becasue it's the "wrong shade" of red, the black becasue they don't do it in black (it was water-marked green which they dyed black to hide the watermark - it worked) The green has "numerous weaving faults", apparently. We have 2 four-metre lengths of it and can't find *any* weaving faults on either. It's not silk, but the cotton viscose mix has natural-fibre breathability, looks devine and at those prices I wasn't complaining. I've never even heard of Watts. I'll have to go look some time - thanks Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:28:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFS3Qq001153 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFQYZj013024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFQP3E087230; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFHUMn079591 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:17:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928B6@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pictures of big women in gothic fitted gowns Thread-Index: AcUT5V1QDukmwWSVQQCrkB5UN6+y2wAVNyYg Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > She looks very nice, as well as happy! ;-D > Who did the groom's vest? I think I've got that embroidery > pattern in a book somewhere.... Due to postal problems with stuff ordered from the U.S., the groom's entire outfit was borrowed from Simon Fairbourne. It's his outfit from his own wedding a few years back and he embroidered the waistcoat himself for the wedding. Simon has way more patience for embroidery than I will ever has, his corsets are very popular with the ladies of the Far Isles too. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFXix6001192 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFWhZj014023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:32:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFWdvt093141; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1GFWX7X093028 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 15:32:32 -0000 Message-ID: <42136790.7010506@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:32:32 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. > They have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. > Each suit has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only > two suit marks, and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What > games are period for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these > cards? http://jducoeur.org/game-hist/game-rules.html Has lots of card games. He has worked out comprehensible playing rules from period instructions. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:37:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFbGnf001209 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFZjZj014341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFZiQH095975; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1GFZgLZ095939 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@67.122.235.205 with plain) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2005 15:35:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4213684F.40005@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:35:43 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Cards References: <200502151731.j1FHVxPQ035740@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050215113922.0761d7b8@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050215113922.0761d7b8@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> > >I have a deck of repro German playing cards from about 1550, Vienna. >> They have the German suit signs of acorns, bells, leaves, and hearts. >> Each >> suit has two cards with only one suit marks, two cards with only two suit >> marks, and one of everything else up to ten, no farther. What games >> are period for me to play as a German at Ren. Faire, using these cards? > > >> In Switzerland people still play games called Jassen with these cards. >> There are different versions of Jass games, and this website has the >> rules. >> http://www.pagat.com/jass/swjass.html >> I hope this is helpful! > > > Yes it is helpful, even tho my deck has 48 cards instead of 36. I > should be able to work out something. The page was especially helpful > for identifying the cards themselves. http://www.pagat.com/karnoeff/kaiserja.html more rules for what I believe is the same game liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:41:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFfu1B001219 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:41:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFf1Zj014939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFewC2000624; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFesch000559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1GFXoov027895 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:33:50 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:33:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42136985.2020105@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:40:53 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume References: <4.3.1.2.20050214050516.0248a600@mail.frys.com> <42136790.7010506@fenris.net> In-Reply-To: <42136790.7010506@fenris.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Young wrote: > http://jducoeur.org/game-hist/game-rules.html > > Has lots of card games. He has worked out comprehensible playing rules > from period instructions. And he's a super fellow, as well. If you need to ask questions after you read things, I expect he'll reply fairly promptly. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 10:54:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GFscjG001260 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:54:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFrpZj016710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFrlZi012457; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFrjXW012416 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1RUg-0002QC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: <7899796.1108569218148.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:53:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just gorgeous, Bjarne! Can't wait for a photo of the two of you together. I know you'll have a wonderful time at the ball--I think you'll be the main event! Isn't it wonderful to have a niece to sew for? (I had my own small thrill last May when I made my niece's prom gown--making it was like giving her a piece of myself, and seeing her pleasure when she put it on was really her gift to me.) Bravo! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Feb 15, 2005 5:12 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Hi, This evening my niece and i went to the opera to learn some dansings for the masqued ball. It was great! I made the final fitting of her gown, and she tryed on the outfit with the wig and hat. The dress is not ironed propperly yeat, and the wig has to be altered in the back with a chignon. But it gets you an idea of how she will look like on friday evening. A sneak prewiev http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 16 18:31:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1GNVFDs003899 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:31:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GFl6Zj015813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GFl0DI006427; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1GFkus9006259 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBBG4YJAJMW9DJ for (sender ); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:46:16 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgmcgF6tYwwNHOEU4S63ZydA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KKYLLYXZ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:45:55 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:22:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] German cards, need game to play in costume Message-ID: <20050216.074453.700.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2690103178 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You might also ask Ollomo [Master] Esugenas, who teaches period card games. He's at . Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 14:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LJaN2I014443 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:36:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LJZMZj007754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LJZ4Mk099893; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GHFPBL092078 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE6CD0600B4; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:10:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 16 Feb 05 17:10:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c5144a$848b8a40$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:11:11 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shawls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LJaN2I014443 Status: RO I was just looking at "The Hunger Site" and was amazed at the many shawls and scarves suitable for period dressing. All are natural fabrics including silk...Some of you might be interested in checking it out. One non period gem is Klimpt's "The kiss"...sigh Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 14:41:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LJfmlt014486 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LJewZj008237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LJescZ005093; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1GI0ie2037080 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64462 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2005 18:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050216180039.64460.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.143.182] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:00:39 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:00:39 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries.......... how about theses... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <421332F7.2060907@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks to Melody Watts - for the "renstore" e-addy - the printed "throw/wall-hanging" copies of the Manesse Codex illustrations are exactly the size, and type of wall-hanging I have been looking for. It's a pity they are only listing 3 at the moment, and are out-of-stock of 2 of them at this time. But if the Store are going to do a number of the Codex illustration in this "Tapestry Series", I think our Companie will be buying examples of every one they offer, - for a while, at least. Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 14:59:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LJx6kf014603 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LJwFZj009890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LJwBXI030765; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:58:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GJ6QCh000486 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1f0.35c9432e (4362) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.35c9432e.2f44f3a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:06:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you gone the archeological route? I seem to remember some mountain climbing archeologists who found entombed human sacrifices frozen and well preserved....their clothes too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:01:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LK16Os014624 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LK04Zj010050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LK037o037348; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GJGnrV010199 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f30.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.48]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DAC905EE008 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:16:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5145c$12442610$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928B5@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Perkins fabric (WAS:18th century style gown how muchfabric) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:16:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I have ben looking for this shop behind Westminster Abbey for many years. I once read in a gossip magazine that the danish queen often buys her silk damasks there. The Queen of Denmark is known for her church westements embroidered in cross stitches, and i read in the magazine that she always goes into this shop, when she visits her sister in London. She embroider on top of these silk damask fabrics. I just had forgotten this. I must go and look next time i come to London, thanks for the tip.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Perkins fabric (WAS:18th century style gown how muchfabric) > >> > I love it when I recognize a fabric source in a >> costume photo. >> > >> >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/eagle.jpg >> > >> >The fabric in this image is from Perkins in Hampshire - I have several >> >metres of the red, the green and the black version of it sitting in my >> >sewing room (plus several more metres of the black in a partially >> >finished Elizabethan gown) >> >> >> Sorry to disillusion you Teddy, but this is not from Perkins - he does a >> cheaper copy of this. This is from Watts in Tufton Street, behind >> Westminster Abbey, and I bought it long before I had heard of Perkins. I >> think it was £35.00 about 12-15 years ago - hate to think of the price >> now, >> but it is silk! > > I paid five pounds and seven pounds a metre for mine as seconds from > Perkins (the red becasue it's the "wrong shade" of red, the black becasue > they don't do it in black (it was water-marked green which they dyed black > to hide the watermark - it worked) The green has "numerous weaving > faults", apparently. We have 2 four-metre lengths of it and can't find > *any* weaving faults on either. It's not silk, but the cotton viscose mix > has natural-fibre breathability, looks devine and at those prices I wasn't > complaining. > > I've never even heard of Watts. I'll have to go look some time - thanks > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKCi5a014668 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKBkZj010995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKBSsI050883; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GJbN9N027650 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f30.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.48]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7507947FEAB for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:37:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003a01c5145e$f9527820$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7899796.1108569218148.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Ruth, I have sewn two wedding dresses for this my favourite niece, we always were good friends. When she was a little girl i studyed at the designschool, and we had education in childrens clothes. I made her a completely wardrobe, dresses, trousers, shirts jackets and coats. So she is a spoiled but wel deserved niece......... Yes it is lovely to see, when yesterday we went for the danse training, she was glooming. I think she enjoyed it very much, and she cant wait til the day after tomorrow. Perhaps i have found myself a new reenacting partner. I think she loves to dress in oldfashioned clothes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sneak prewiev of my niece > Just gorgeous, Bjarne! > Can't wait for a photo of the two of you together. > I know you'll have a wonderful time at the ball--I think you'll be the > main event! > Isn't it wonderful to have a niece to sew for? (I had my own small thrill > last May when I made my niece's prom gown--making it was like giving her a > piece of myself, and seeing her pleasure when she put it on was really her > gift to me.) > Bravo! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:16:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKGc76014690 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:16:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKFrZj011434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKFqsB054622; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GKQJTN072531 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:26:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-66-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.66.171]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GKM4bv014296 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:22:06 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050216113219.035c1fb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:34:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] German Cards In-Reply-To: <4213684F.40005@fenris.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20050215113922.0761d7b8@mail.frys.com> <200502151731.j1FHVxPQ035740@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20050215113922.0761d7b8@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Yes it is helpful, even tho my deck has 48 cards instead of 36. I should >>be able to work out something. The page was especially helpful for >>identifying the cards themselves. > >http://www.pagat.com/karnoeff/kaiserja.html > >more rules for what I believe is the same game Similar game, and this one uses the same number of cards as my deck has. Thanx. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:26:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKQLWO014771 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKPXZj012405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:25:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKPTOA062336; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GNMZBm032389 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:23:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1aa.31df51f4 (17526) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:22:23 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.31df51f4.2f452faf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:22:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/16/2005 6:06:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladys123@cox.net writes: colonial native Inca womens' costume Are you specifically limiting yourself to colonial period? Many of the finds seem to be pre-Columbian, like the "Ice Maiden." Have you found out about her? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:34:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKYvnR014810 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKY7Zj013169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKY6Gx069406; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1H1kqtX040399 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1akl-0000EW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:46:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4213F797.7090707@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:03 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Synthetic vs natural breathability....related to the tailored jacket question earlier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat tailored jacket for my cousin. The fashion fabric is silk dupioni and the lining is a synthetic. My cousin believes that the silk breaths better (which I don't disagree with), but doesn't fact that it is lined with a synthetic kind of make that mute? This also made me start to ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but still breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the nature of the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky when it gets moist....so what do you guys think? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKdUwT014827 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKZbcX013407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:38:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKIS9Y056544; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1GKQIl8072521 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-66-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.66.171]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1GKM4bt014296 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:22:05 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050216112640.02588be8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:27:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume In-Reply-To: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.co x.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native >Inca womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor >is allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period >depictions but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought >I would. I hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take >pity on me and help out. Is there a contemporary Spanish manuscript with illustrations? Or am I thinking of the Aztecs? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKdU4j014828 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKZbcZ013407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:38:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKVEgx066959; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1H1fVcP036848 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1afa-0006DR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:41:30 -0800 Message-ID: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in? Opinions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat tailored jacket for my cousin. I have the original garment and was able to take it apart to make a pattern. This is a very well made jacket (should have been for what she paid for it!). Something which has struck me as being very odd is that the lining is noticeably larger than the jacket itself, especially in the sleeves. Now, the fashion fabric is silk dupioni and the lining is a synthetic. Do you think that it is just that the silk has shrunk that much or that there would be a reason to make the lining bigger (I guess I always thought, that if anything, the lining would be slightly smaller)? There really isn't any noticeable shrinking going on in the rest of the jacket....There is a fair amount of horse hair interlining and wool padding which shows no sign of shrinkage..... Thanks for your opinion Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:42:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKgH3U014850 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:42:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKfcZj014334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKfYSP075857; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1H5HtQq080590 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp92.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.92]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1H5HdPZ028439 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20050216233149.00bd7ce0@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb In-Reply-To: <7899796.1108569218148.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthl ink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Platt Hall Gallery of Costume now has a webpage X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please excuse me if someone has already pointed this out, but the Platt Hall Gallery of Costume, Manchester has an interesting costume webpage: http://www.manchestergalleries.org/html/costume/goc_collection.html So far my favorite in the 1820's archery dress. I found the "Search the collection" option unfriendly - downright obstinate. Perhaps I didn't try hard enough. I was a little disappointed is that it is broken down by the following themes: Designers Dressing Up, Dressing Down Clothes for Work Recycled Fashion Sexuality Materials and Making Close Up Sports and Leisure Underwear and I am more interested in a chronological order. Oh well! However, once you are wandering around these themes, they offer some chronological themes. I also wish that there was more complete information accompanying the button images. For example, there was a page on fans, but no matter which fan you clicked on, the text remained the same. On the positive side if you are interested in the early 19th century or Regency period, they include a few prints from "Dress and Manners of the English" and George Walker's "The Costume of Yorkshire" and other prints which are often difficult to locate. Despite the quirks the site is well worth the visit! Great collection and great images and supplementary material. Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 15:54:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LKsu8c014952 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LKsKZj016031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKsHrT086954; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HFZDIG061973 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005021715350701400btjfpe>; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:35:07 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.112; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:35:06 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:35:06 +0000 Message-Id: <021720051535.28357.4214B9AA0005660900006EC522007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test message X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've not getten messages for two days....wondering if I've been unsubbed... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:02:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LL2mFA015026 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:02:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LL28Zj016735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LL1Zi6092993; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:01:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HHOhku063797 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D1pOL-0007ax-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <751109.1108661081450.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:24:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1HHOhku063797 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Terry. Probably by now you've made your plans, but I'll add my pedestrian notions. If you're looking for a comfortable costume that will give you the right "line" for 16th-17th century music, rather than a necessarily authentic look for a more narrowly defined period, you might try the Simplicy (www.simplicity.com) pattern number 5574. The doublet is easy to make and quite nice-looking, particularly if you don't do the built-in sleeves but instead substitute a real full-sleeved shirt under the doublet. If you make the button loops out of elastic instead of cording, the doublet is very accommodating of musicians' breathing and posture needs. The breeches pattern in the same envelope is easy, comfortable, and very nice-looking on various physiques. I costumed an early-music group (singers and instrumentalists, including a lutenist) and based the men's attire on this pattern. A year later they're still telling me how comfortable the costumes are, and as for appearance, they look very good and fulfill the expectations of their musical audiences, most of whom h! ave a fairly clear notion of a 16th-century "look" but aren't at the concerts to learn about real 16th-century attire. McCall's (www.mccall.com) also has a doublet pattern, M4695, that's the same idea but a bit more flamboyant. So if you're going for a line rather than an authentic costume, you might consider going this route. Best wishes, Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Terry Mann Sent: Feb 15, 2005 10:14 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Hi, I am am a musician who lives in England. I sing in the choir at Waltham Abbey where Thomas Tallis was once Choirmaster, and I sometimes sing with a small group at Queen Elizabeth I's hunting lodge in Epping Forest. I also play the guitar and have just ordered a lute, so I am looking into costume for possible period performance. I'm looking at 16th and early 17th Century (renaissance) lute repertoire (John Dowland etc) and am looking for some patterns to make clothes - a simple top (doublet?) and breeches (?). I don't really know what all the various bits are called, but have spent the day so far looking on the internet for patterns with no luck. My mother used to be a dressmaker and she taught me to sew, even though I'm about the only man I know who can! I noticed on your pages that somebody was talking about making men's elizabethan/shakespearean costume, which is the kind of thing I am after (Dowland lived 1563-1627). Can anyone help? Thanks, Terry Mann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:06:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LL65Oh015052 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LL5FZj017023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LL5Eer095833; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:05:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HHakg7076026 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:36:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:26 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:35:52 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dropped or lost? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Opened my email this morning and found that no one had written since yesterday. That was odd but I thought well maybe everyone was busy today for some reason. But Since nothing has come through since yesterday afternoo0n all I can assume is that When the server was updated here this link was cut. Please let me back on list I do so enjoy readibng about what is going on in costuming. I even try some of the things I have seen. Sincerely Theresa Threadgill _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:09:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LL903x015066 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:09:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LL8GZj017296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LL8DqA098248; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1HIMK49019863 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 18:22:14 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217181811.014b1708@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:22:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <85.2164988f.2f43cfde@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:21 15/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >what you say is correct as my cousin was design consultant on the >costunes,and oversaw all of the construction. >pippa >_______________________________________________ That's interesting - I know your cousin Jane Gingell, but I only know her as a choreographer and dancer - for everyone else, she runs a dance troupe called Timedance. Do ask her what else she worked on - a friend of mine who was at the BBC during the late 60's thinks she remembers her, but cannot think what show they met on. (It wasn't "The 6 Wives" - that's all she does remember!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:11:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLBrqi015086 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:11:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLBHZj017651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:11:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLBG3l001090; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41802.mail.yahoo.com (web41802.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1HIoalg046363 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:50:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81327 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2005 18:50:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=m5xhgO1044OiAFGqbY3HVMO+W1EGUOs1iYjtmiiIODA0svhaWgWjMoPl9cKC0zxSw42M4+xS2iqYtP+nVaY9YPMyWzRkbMWv4ilN27ol0AaYIINQqzfZaddvQMSafbVAUsvP3klEnrTmt5XsKxGbLvBpKM2R0zmL2fkxx24Kbtw= ; Message-ID: <20050217185030.81325.qmail@web41802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:50:30 PST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:50:30 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] Perkins fabric -what about this Watts fellow? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F40197928B5@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gahh! Teddy.... That's my husband's last name! What a hoot that would be if he was related to THAT Watts.... a relative with bolts and bolts of material ...hopefully childless and alone ,serching for his long lost great nephew, Albert, in America...... ( I can dream..) Melody Watts --- Teddy wrote: > SNIP > > > I love it when I recognize a fabric > source in a costume photo. > > > >The fabric in this image is from Perkins in > Hampshire - Snip > > Sorry to disillusion you Teddy, but this is not > from Perkins - > This is from Watts in Tufton Street, behind > > Westminster Abbey, > SNIP > I've never even heard of Watts. I'll have to go > look some time - thanks > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:19:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLJgul015130 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLJ1Zj018453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLIw4E007054; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1HJN67Q079956 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74891 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2005 19:23:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IX8TJ+iCNbpKSH4UTwaUraW9Ux3uoJ/72/Ei+FxJ5KgmQTpFR9TcSepyTn6XU2m1JUvyD6v94bwMQH0Hiq4/C1i2CcWnI6IFmx+W5jPYf7Gi8gmb2ovuHgpvf6vGn9NZUM9GjdLO1PZKUOH4l22fO+POpiWR04VuN9DITAWgW8U= ; Message-ID: <20050217192301.74889.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:23:00 PST Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42136985.2020105@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question about Tudor gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Maybe you guys can help. I've asked other boards and got variable answers that didn't quite get me the answer I was looking for, so here goes Are the skirts of a Tudor gown seperate( like the Eliza bethan bodice -skirt-overskirt) or are the gowns one piece? as in "cut as a one piece dress". I was told a variety of answers, "2 pieces-but stiched together as one" ( How do you get into it then?) "one continoius top to hem cut" like a modern A-line, (closure-back-front?lace buttons -hooks?" Can anyone give me a definative answer? At this point I'm just stalled,not sure which way to proceed. AS for which Part of the Tudor age, I'm thinking late Henry the 8th ,pre-teen Elizabeth I. Thanks, Melody __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:24:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLNxUc015160 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLN3Zj018813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLN0xs010543; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HJpGnI006607 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.127](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005021719510101300pasube>; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:51:11 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.228] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:51:00 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), Reeds@baronyofaquaterra.org (Reeds Aquaterra) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:51:00 +0000 Message-Id: <021720051951.25729.4214F5A4000295CC0000648122058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] not receiving... 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Please reply to me, 'cuz I won't get anything sent to the list... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:30:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLU2wq015230 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:30:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLTFZj019502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLTB8Q016223; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HKbe3v050257 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:37:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.54.3e3520ae (4394) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:37:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <54.3e3520ae.2f465a84@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:37:24 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Exhibit at Riversdale House Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LLU2wq015230 Status: RO Here is the information on an exhibit I've done at Riversdale. Ann Wass RIVERSDALE HOUSE MUSEUM PRESENTS COSTUME EXHIBIT Even wealthy ladies in the early 19th century did not have extensive wardrobes, and often improvised cleverly to change their “look†with a variety of accessories. Building a Wardrobe, an exhibit at the Riversdale House Museum, guides viewers through the “mix and match†concept of dressing well with re-created clothing made for Federal-era living history interpretation. The exhibit will be on display February 15-April 15 and may be viewed Fridays and Sundays, noon-3:30 p.m. The fee is $3 for adults, $2 for senior citizens, $1 for students (with valid ID), and free for ages 4 and under and includes a guided tour of the museum. Special tours for groups of 8 or more may be arranged by appointment. In conjunction with the exhibit, a workshop on constructing different styles of spencers (the abbreviated jackets fashionable in the era) using one basic pattern will be conducted March 9 at 7:00 P.M. The workshop cost is $5 and advance registration is required. Riversdale House Museum, a National Historic Landmark, is located at 4811 Riverdale Road in Riverdale Park, Maryland. For more information, call 301-864-0420. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:33:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLXW1w015254 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:33:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLWdZj019830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLWc29019615; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tin.wightman.ca (tin.wightman.ca [216.249.0.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1HLmeRX013243 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1649F3399F for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from d7k7b6 (unknown [216.110.230.216]) by tin.wightman.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id A2994339A0 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:48:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003001c5153a$84957140$6400a8c0@wightman.ca> From: "Five Rivers" To: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Five Rivers Workshops X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just a quick note to let people know the new slate of workshops is up on our website for 2005: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_39.html Campfire Cookery A weekend workshop dedicated to studying and using historic cooking methods and technologies, how to interpret those interesting historic recipes, all in a very hands-on environment where you eat what you prepare. Taught by knowledgeable historic cook Lorina Stephens, and covers 1000 years of development. Class limited to four people. Meals and workshop inclusive in price. $300.00CDN. See website for specific dates. Corset Workshops Georgian (18th century) Regency (1790-1825) Victorian Three different weekend workshops dedicated to discovering the secrets of constructing Georgian, Regency and Victorian corsets. Students learn how to adjust a pattern for a personal, custom fit, and period hand-sewing techniques, in an intimate, hands-on environment. Pattern and materials included. Students should bring their own scissors, measures, etc. Classes conducted 9:00 a.m. to noon, 1 ½ hour break for lunch, afternoon session from 1:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Accommodations and meals not included. Please visit our links page for local motels and B&Bs. 50% non-refundable deposit at time of confirmation, balance due at workshop. See website for specific dates. Embroidery Workshops Opus Aglicanum (alms purse) Gold Bullion embroidery (sleeve appliques) Elizabethan Blackwork (ladies coif) Baroque embroidery (18th century pocket) Regency embroidery (1790-1825 reticule) Weekend workshops dedicated to discovering the lost art of some of the most stunning embroidery of history. Period-correct techniques are taught, so you're going to learn how to embroider the way it has been done for hundreds of years. It is my goal to send people away on overload. The workshops are project-oriented, so you'll have a 'thing' at the end of it all, likely not finished that weekend, but certainly well on its way. Classes conducted 9:00 a.m. to noon, 1 ½ hour break for lunch; afternoon session from 1:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Accommodations and meals not included. Please visit our links page for local motels and B&Bs. 50% non-refundable deposit at time of confirmation , balance due at workshop. Fees include workshop, small hardwood scroll-bar frame, scissors, needles and all materials required to finish project. See website for specific dates. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:37:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLboTi015278 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLabZj020325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:36:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLaYHi023186; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1HN7CX9084013 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 23:07:05 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050217230626.015653b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:07:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <85.2164988f.2f43cfde@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:21 15/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >what you say is correct as my cousin was design consultant on the >costunes,and oversaw all of the construction. >pippa That's interesting - I know your cousin Jane Gingell, but I only know her as a choreographer and dancer - for everyone else, she runs a dance troupe called Timedance. Do ask her what else she worked on - a friend of mine who was at the BBC during the late 60's thinks she remembers her, but cannot think what show they met on. (It wasn't "The 6 Wives" - that's all she does remember!!) Suzi I posted this once, but I think it flew into a black hole - nothing coming back from this list? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:40:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLeTRY015308 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLddZj020592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLdXv4025684; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1I05pts059036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:05:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.39] (acty2039.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.39]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1I05dPe017964 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <4215314F.40305@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:05:35 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume References: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. There were a number of Codices compiled by Christianized Indians in various parts ogf the New World. One book that I thought of, unfortunately, has no Inca clothing (called Indian Clothing before Cortes). However, the author is Patricia Rieff Anawalt. She is listed in the book as being the Director, Center for the Study of Regional Dress, Fowler Museum of Cultural History, UCLA. Although she specializes in Mesoamerican clothing, she may know of someone who can help you. The book is also listed as Volume 156 of The Civilization of the American Indian series, so other titles may be of some use to you. The full title, etc. is Anawalt, Patricia Rieff "Indian Clothing before Cortes" 1981 University of Oklahoma Press ISBN 0-8061-2288-9 BTW, due to the diaspora of the Native American in the US, Oklahoma has become a center for Native American studies, You might want to look into a catalog of publications from the Univ. of Oklahoma to see if other professionals in the field have published through them. Also, search online to see what museums have Inca collections and see if they have any catalogs, I don't know for a fact, but I seem to remember the University of Pennsylvania Museum having some items. Good Luck in your search, Mike T. >I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native Inca womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor is allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period depictions but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought I would. I hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take pity on me and help out. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:47:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLl3cX015341 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLk4Zj021185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:46:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLk1Qp031113; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1I1TsEo029082 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-66-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.66.171]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1I1TqvH018325 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050217171956.034f8808@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:29:19 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] daughter in magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The latest issue of Renaissance Magazine has a picture of my younger daughter Eileen, a handful of years ago, with her doll. I put a face and hair on a blank doll for her, and did the embroidery and both sets of clothes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 16:56:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LLueTA015387 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LLtxZj022116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:55:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLtunG039763; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:55:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1I4MKmc048914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1I5Xdwv028875 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:33:40 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:22:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20050216110303.TGON11483.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502172322.14494.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 16 February 2005 6:03 am, ladys123@cox.net wrote: > Hello, > > I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native Inca > womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor is > allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period > depictions but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought > I would. I hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take > pity on me and help out. Kathleen raises a good point. What period are you looking for information on? "Colonial" to me implies after the Spanish conquest. Inca costume before then, AFAIK, was different. I can point you to a National Geographic article or two on ancient Peruvian finds, if pre-Conquest is your need/interest. -- Cathy Raymond "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much."--Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:09:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LM9Rel015460 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LM8eZj023495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:08:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LM8AJ0049380; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1I8pXLj015923 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j1I8ovx00474.; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:50:57 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:50:57 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:50:25 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Test message X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there somethin g wrong with the list? 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Kate Bunting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:19:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMJ3Pw015540 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:19:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMHEZj024338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:17:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMHBZu056446; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1IED5HK006267 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:12:43 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:12:27 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] getting back on the list at my school address X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I miss the mail. It gives me something to do when I get caught up and the students are working and have no questions for me. Please put me back on the list at the following address: tthreadgill@connally.org thanks theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:23:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMNdFn015575 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMMnZj024950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMMj78061124; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1IIk7nw043436 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.166.28]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050218184559.BZAI1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c515e9$0938ae40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paging folks in the Toronto area X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi! This is sort of OT, it does have to do with costuming however... The Middle Eastern dance troupe I am involved with here in Northern Ontario is having their big bi-annual show this May, and our troupe director just picked the fabric colours that she wants us to use (red, mauve and gold, several outfits that can be mix and matched). The problem I now have is that there is absolutely no appropriate red fabric to be found anywhere locally. What I need is a bright red (cranberry, blood, or flame) stretch velvet, stretch satin or knit fabric, preferably in the under 15 dollars a metre range. Its looking like we are going to have to make a trip to Toronto for supplies, any recommendations as to where to go? We will also be needing sequins, pailettes, jewels etc so what would be ideal is somewhere that caters to costuming/dance. I know there are quite a few places on Queen, any recommendations? We are on a fairly tight budget, many of the girls are students and we are paying for our own costumes. Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks! Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Thought For The Day: There is a very fine line between 'Hobby' and 'Mental Illness' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:38:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMcUwn015673 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMbdZj026999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:37:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMbTtW073241; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1IMZ6di045037 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.120.227.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.120.227]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D2GiH-00063C-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:35:05 -0800 Message-ID: <42166174.8010209@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:43:16 -0800 From: Stephen Bergdahl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] magician clothing? References: <20041221213843.91467.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041221213843.91467.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Ghislaine Sorry for not writing sooner, I am behind. I am also sorry to tell you that I can't offer you the titles. I had the books a good number of years ago, and they were lost in a fire that destroyed my magic collection. There was nothing rare among them, they were reprints mostly from Dover Books. Sorry I can't be more help. Yours Stephen Ghislaine-SCA wrote: >I would be most interested in knowing the >illustrations and books titles that you are >referencing. I am an ernest scholar of this very >subject and would welcome and leads for new resources. > >Thank you. > >Ghislaine > > >--- Stephen Bergdahl >wrote: > > > >>If she is talking about a Stage Magician, there are >>a number of >>illustrations about. But they tended to Dress like >>their audiences just >>a little more colorful. Parti-colored was also very >>popular as far as I >>remember. There are a number of books on the >>history of stage magic >>avalible. >> >>Stephen >> >>ailith wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey, y'all. >>> >>>I've gotten a query from a friend regarding >>> >>> >>appropriate clothing for a >> >> >>>magician during the "high Middle Ages". Does >>> >>> >>anyone have any ideas of >> >> >>>even where to begin looking--any references, etc? >>> >>> >>I'm pretty much at a >> >> >>>loss--this is way out of my area of interest. >>> >>>Any help would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>>With regards, >>>ailith/kate >>> >>>Should we complain that there are thorns on the >>> >>> >>rose bush or should we >> >> >>>rejoice that the thorn bush has roses? >>> >>>~ unknown >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMgi7j015695 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMfjZj027298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMffAL076894; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41822.mail.yahoo.com (web41822.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1J0hsTb053434 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15284 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2005 00:43:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Vz5OizlG7GTrW2QAb63XaxMSA4CSPSTjJvAFW5NNIylBajISnu1G3ZFxf+Zz4RvSXrcTNNzQ3fkMOuO59jqcLeGjoI9cr6N1tHQsN1o+v0Ht8Avj5M+d/YO75cDGus9Oo/TIpPvTBQ6RZheuC6O3vPg/tTQ1HCE2VloHRyM3/9M= ; Message-ID: <20050219004348.15282.qmail@web41822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:43:48 PST Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Tapestries...... Looked on E bay, saw this..... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <420BDD25.8020003@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I decided to look on Ebay and found: item # 4358313597 is this anything like what would be acceptable as wall coverings for a pavillion? They do have the really expensive 5 & 600 dollar ones too,too rich for my purse. Melody --- Dawn wrote: > seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > > There's a source based in Chicago called 'Design > Toscano' that does a variety of historically > inspired house and garden items. They have a pretty > decent selection of tapestries. > > > > > http://www.designtoscano.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=98&iMainCat=98&iSubCat=98 > > > > I got an email from them earlier in the week > announcing a half-price > sale if the tapestries are bought through the online > store: > > http://link.ixs1.net/s/lt?id=k116083&si=v62689326&pc=h2&ei=451580 > > Still too expensive for me, though. > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMjqGk015710 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMioZj027577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMilax079444; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J3Jgd7053449 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:19:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005021903192101400hme0ue>; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:19:36 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.115; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:19:20 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), Reeds@baronyofaquaterra.org (Reeds Aquaterra) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:19:20 +0000 Message-Id: <021920050319.25234.4216B0380008E2060000629222007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] list yet? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I've gone in and changed my anti-spam thing with comcast and then I went in and updated my spam thing with Norton. So, accordingly then I should start seeing messages from H costume and Aquaterra...right? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMlp7J015726 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:47:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMl5Zj027758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMl342081387; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J4oqna011130 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:50:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([70.48.165.130]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050219045042.RTOI1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c5163d$6e8ede00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Is my mail getting through? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmm, I'm wondering if my mail from H costume is getting eaten? I haven't gotten anything from the list now for a couple of days, including a letter I sent... Testing 123... Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMoOqU015740 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMnjZj027998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:49:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMniMC083831; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J5a8OU039016 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jemarshall@fuse.net) Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([66.42.216.152]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050219053257.MKKM10020.smtp3.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:32:57 -0500 Received: from netzero.fuse.net ([66.42.216.152]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050219053401.EQLQ13848.gx4.fuse.net@netzero.fuse.net> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:34:01 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20050219002514.00ab4dd0@pop.fuse.net> X-Sender: jemarshall@pop.fuse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:25:42 -0500 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: "J.E. Marshall" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2DA731AF X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] testing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just testing, I haven't gotten any messages for about 2 days. Jennifer what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? Anon. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/05 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:51:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMpsIi015746 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMpTZj028158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMpQOZ085336; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J5iwHe044266 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050219054453.VDSI16302.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:44:53 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century style gown how much fabric Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:42:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUUHBHJYN5YHasUQIOtA/l8hV0wugCKVhRQ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050216112444.014b1b18@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-Id: <20050219054453.VDSI16302.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1J5iwHe044266 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >The fabric in this image is from Perkins in Hampshire - I have several >metres of the red, the green and the black version of it sitting in my >sewing room (plus several more metres of the black in a partially >finished Elizabethan gown) >Sorry to disillusion you Teddy, but this is not from Perkins - he does a >cheaper copy of this. This is from Watts in Tufton Street, behind >Westminster Abbey, and I bought it long before I had heard of Perkins. I >think it was £35.00 about 12-15 years ago - hate to think of the price now, >but it is silk! Suzi Now why was I not told about these stores in January???? Anne (who REALLY needs more fabric - HA!HA!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:54:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMs6Mt015758 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:54:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMrFZj028310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:53:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMrEUn086773; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:53:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J6DQI0061516 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:13:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D2Nrq-0000yE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:13:26 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050219001055.0272bec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:13:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200502161338.j1GDc5fj004160@net.indra.com> References: <200502161338.j1GDc5fj004160@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all - I haven't gotten anything in 2 days - wondering if I got unsubbed somehow or if the list is just slow right now. This is just a test. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 17:55:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LMtrwc015771 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:55:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMt0Zj028465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMsxe3088236; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1J7jGmZ012249 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from koid.gath@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so1316594wra for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:45:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Xx0kt13hwJIXDG0Jifn82xq1dEx+qFsTvzXXUXdbqbiINNKVcBADpV0ni7SZ9pjZ3bByY5AD9Kgjc5GasX6uoRui/JoMvNfS8ZWkfhNwXW7GNNyvLJ1MQ+J/5Q6OlJ9IHrdDxafeQStdPsBc0m+mXaVuYbvTc3I5QFXKyOZ2WMQ= Received: by 10.54.41.16 with SMTP id o16mr96546wro; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ([61.68.164.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm34607wrl.2005.02.18.23.45.07; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:45:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050219184241.01df6150@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:45:00 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: koid gath Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions from removing yellowing on white linen. I got something on one of my smocks at an event, applied stain remover, washed it and put it away. I got it out today and it has yellowed over the stain area. Thanks Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:04:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN4KEY015831 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:04:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN3lZj029604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN3fOJ096057; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52810.mail.yahoo.com (web52810.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1K7d4OB004527 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64517 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2005 07:38:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sWPV6TRcHVrmymmp/hWetFaj6WMpaR8U8jZXob4J0oif5BI0HbvqkARsTYY3VfYPy7W4yvXj/b4isg/HziAosXabspNLqqsCvtKzgZsJxE6b/EvWB9T4uSz+icnPbc73hViJEhfE2mZ7czRzw6RLc65FKJ4Awrnpmib/HmuWzTw= ; Message-ID: <20050220073859.64515.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:38:59 PST Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: net.indra.com 1128; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] problem w/ list? 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN4QoT015834 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN3kZj029600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN3chC095983; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1K3gP5n054501 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1d8.375a9a3e (3866) for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:42:16 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.375a9a3e.2f496118@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:42:16 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Exhibit at Riversdale House Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LN4QoT015834 Status: RO Here is the information on an exhibit I've done at Riversdale. Ann Wass RIVERSDALE HOUSE MUSEUM PRESENTS COSTUME EXHIBIT Even wealthy ladies in the early 19th century did not have extensive wardrobes, and often improvised cleverly to change their “look†with a variety of accessories. Building a Wardrobe, an exhibit at the Riversdale House Museum, guides viewers through the “mix and match†concept of dressing well with re-created clothing made for Federal-era living history interpretation. The exhibit will be on display February 15-April 15 and may be viewed Fridays and Sundays, noon-3:30 p.m. The fee is $3 for adults, $2 for senior citizens, $1 for students (with valid ID), and free for ages 4 and under and includes a guided tour of the museum. Special tours for groups of 8 or more may be arranged by appointment. In conjunction with the exhibit, a workshop on constructing different styles of spencers (the abbreviated jackets fashionable in the era) using one basic pattern will be conducted March 9 at 7:00 P.M. The workshop cost is $5 and advance registration is required. Riversdale House Museum, a National Historic Landmark, is located at 4811 Riverdale Road in Riverdale Park, Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington, DC. For more information, call 301-864-0420. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:04:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN4VN3015837 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:04:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN3kZj029599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN3cia095982; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1K4a7p2089502 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE989A5434C for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bilbo [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32420-12 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from D1CCZP51 (nat-pri-158-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.158]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE18A541FB for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:34:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:35:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUV4Xz9fu/tUaxBSd2FX2KPKaCwoABI8bvw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20050220043433.8AE18A541FB@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a parasol I'm going to refinish. The mechanics are all in really good shape but the handle is a bit scraped up. It's the typical mid 19th century black painted wood handle. Can I paint over this if I sand it some? Or, do I need to try to strip the old paint? Any suggestions of what type of paint I should use? Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:06:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN6RqE015859 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:06:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN5XZj029913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN5Wxe098024; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:05:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1K4mZ8L097777 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:48:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.136.9]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050220044827.LXTM1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c51706$26970040$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] No mail? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I am the only one not getting mail from this list, could someone email me directly and let me know? I have not received anything for the past few days, not even my own posts. Thanks! Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:06:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN6VYW015863 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:06:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN5nZj029969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:05:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN5nZK098285; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:05:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1K69DAt049037 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:09:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D2F3FC3D; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 18FBD3942; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:09:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.36.213] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CGCmIAAmUmAEAAAAC,dc977ad81c33a4077b439b92e846afad Message-Id: <20050220060912.18FBD3942@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Authentic SCA Subject: [h-cost] Inch graph paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all, This comes from a thread which developed a while ago ( I'm waaaaay behind in reading my email! ) - Is there such a thing available for sale in the US as graph paper marked in imperial / inches? In view of the fact that US measurements are still imperial. I searched awhile ago online for a source but wasn't able to find any. I want to use the paper to make my life easier when I draft patterns from American instructions, so large sheets - A0 or A1 - are what I would like. A1 size graph paper is available here in Australia, but it's in metric measurements, so all it is useful for when drafting in inches is for keeping lines straight. Any help / directions in which to look would be appreciated :-) Joannah ( who still visualizes peoples' height in imperial, but works in just about everything else in metric ) _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:06:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN6rd2015867 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN64Zj000156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN62We098577; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1KJbv0D046626 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.131.5.40.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([4.131.5.40] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D2wtw-0006IE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:37:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4218E4C2.38D7B064@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:28:02 -0600 From: Ms Berard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just wondering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there something exciting going on that I don't know about that is keeping *everyone* since the Wednesday from posting? Onaree -- Proud list mom of Irish Crochet Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:07:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN7oIr015871 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN6ZZj000374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN6WKM099193; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LGiHKm059624 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AFDA861C0036; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:44:10 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.111 ([209.131.81.111] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 21 Feb 05 16:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c51834$bccdd820$6f5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:45:21 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] subscribe? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LN7oIr015871 Status: RO I have received no messages since late last week. Might my subscription have been terminated for some reason? I wish to reconnect if this has happened. Kathleen Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:08:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN7x3g015876 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN6NZj000299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN6MGr098961; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LIsToY067074 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D3IhO-0007kb-92 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:53:11 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is there anybody out there? I've received nothing from h-cost since 16 Feb. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:08:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN85Sk015882 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN6oZj000442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN6jTN099483; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1KChAHF082050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 28329 invoked by uid 507); 20 Feb 2005 23:42:59 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 23:42:59 +1100 Message-ID: <01b501c51749$ae76f450$0302a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:42:44 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another pick-your-brains moment! My kid's school trousers are made from drill cotton. They have been treated to need no ironing, which sounded fine, but they pick up fluff like nothing else - all day every day! I've tried using the clothes brush, and they do get mostly defluffed until they're worn, and then they pick everything up again. I've also tried an in-wash anti-static conditioner. Not much difference at all. Has anyone got any ideas? They're not looking nice for the uniforms. Thanks, Glenda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:08:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN8Gkw015889 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN78Zj000572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN76Wf099923; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LHWMqY000699 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D940A54394 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bilbo [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11379-02 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from D1CCZP51 (pri-nat-39-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.39]) by bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB4CA5445A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:32:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcUV4Xz9fu/tUaxBSd2FX2KPKaCwoABI8bvwAE16LSA= Message-Id: <20050221173112.4BB4CA5445A@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a parasol I'm going to refinish. The mechanics are all in really good shape but the handle is a bit scraped up. It's the typical mid 19th century black painted wood handle. Can I paint over this if I sand it some? Or, do I need to try to strip the old paint? Any suggestions of what type of paint I should use? Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN8aFW015893 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:08:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN7TZj000667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN7ROS000408; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav14.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1KMm5RA064851 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:48:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:47:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 22:48:00.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A889B70:01C5179E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] messages to the list? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't received anything for days... I've checked my email account, and my indra membership... just checking if this message works. Otherwise I'll be calling for help soon :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:08:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN8oJW015896 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN7VZj000680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN7SC6000439; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:07:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LM1rmU044271 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022122014701300qchdse>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:01:47 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:01:47 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dropped or lost? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:01:47 +0000 Message-Id: <022120052201.24710.421A5A4B000625290000608622007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know what happened but I was not getting emails from the list for about 5 days. I was going through *serious* withdrawl pains!!!!! Not even sewing till midnight helped.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Opened my email this morning and found that no one had written since > yesterday. That was odd but I thought well maybe everyone was busy > today for some reason. But Since nothing has come through since > yesterday afternoo0n all I can assume is that When the server was > updated here this link was cut. Please let me back on list I do so > enjoy readibng about what is going on in costuming. I even try some of > the things I have seen. > > Sincerely > Theresa Threadgill > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:09:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN9Grr015899 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN8OZj001000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN8M4l001512; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LKfqPO076076 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LL3MSBQ56OIGK74S@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:41:47 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LL3MSBIK1GIGMHBF@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:41:47 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:41:37 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in? Opinions? In-reply-to: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <421A4781.3060205@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau wrote: > This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat > tailored jacket for my cousin. I have the original garment and was > able to take it apart to make a pattern. This is a very well made > jacket (should have been for what she paid for it!). Something which > has struck me as being very odd is that the lining is noticeably > larger than the jacket itself, especially in the sleeves. Now, the > fashion fabric is silk dupioni and the lining is a synthetic. Do you > think that it is just that the silk has shrunk that much or that there > would be a reason to make the lining bigger (I guess I always thought, > that if anything, the lining would be slightly smaller)? Lining bigger than garment is certainly normal in modern jackets. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:09:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN9NVL015903 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:09:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN8VZj001048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN8TVQ001638; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1KMBh6O041871 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB17362500A8; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:11:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 20 Feb 05 22:11:33 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c51799$4fa55e80$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:12:46 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] anyone out there. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LN9NVL015903 Status: RO I have had no direct list communication since late on Thursday. Am I alone? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:09:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LN9oDj015908 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:09:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN8gZj001113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN8d8F001864; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1L1jD3E078681 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-28954); Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:44:52 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:44:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050220174411.00d693e0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:45:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Testing the quiet list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't received any messages from this list since last week. Anybody home? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNADPH015913 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:10:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN9UZj001362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN9SZY002747; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMEaZh054227 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200502212214310140032imfe>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:14:31 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:14:29 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test message Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:14:29 +0000 Message-Id: <022120052214.2313.421A5D45000278BA0000090922069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, I know! After about 5 days, I'm getting messages again, finally! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Is there somethin g wrong with the list? I've had no messages for three > days. > > Kate Bunting > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:10:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNAEn7015916 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:10:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LN9UZj001361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN9RFU002722; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:09:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1L2lg0e018632 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050221024736.QWRZ16302.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:47:36 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th Century stripes Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:45:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792895@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Thread-Index: AcURNgDmZOxhsQrfRDGZe2WNc+WgvwCQyHlwARFHbQA= Message-Id: <20050221024736.QWRZ16302.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Oh, surely not!!! Don't all of us get right to work on a > project as soon as we have the idea for it :) (RIIIIIGHT!!) Anne, if it's true of you, you're a *shining* example to us all... >Teddy If I am *shining* that brightly, why is it so dark in here ? Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:10:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNAomX015920 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:10:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNAEZj001549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNACAd003639; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLfFnl027012 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from MeganLaptop (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54E415DC0; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" , "'Reeds Aquaterra'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] not receiving... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:40:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <021720051951.25729.4214F5A4000295CC0000648122058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcUYW5WMKc0fTQi2Sj+3PBOS8hfIIwAAjLeA Message-Id: <20050221214116.A54E415DC0@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j1LLfFnl027012 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Check your spam software. Also check if your ISP has installed any spam blockers that block messages from the indra isp. I had to disable all the filters POWWEB uses because they were incompatible with my yahoo lists, so now I suffer through endless mortgage advertisements, etc., but I get my mail. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elena O'Tighearnaigh Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:51 PM To: Costume Historical; Reeds Aquaterra Subject: [h-cost] not receiving... Ok, can someone clue me in? I can *send* messages to the list (they don't bounce back and I can get answers from folks reading the list), but I'm not *getting* any messages from the list. I have not changed any of my subscription status'. So, what do I do to start getting my messages again? Please reply to me, 'cuz I won't get anything sent to the list... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:11:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNBUsm015933 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:11:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNAoZj001729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNAlbp004203; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LJJZM1086413 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15115 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:31:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:31:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hellooooo.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Is the server down, or are you folks just ignoring me? Must be all that stuff I wrote about sleeves or something. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:12:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNCYqI015940 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNBlZj001974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNBi9S005315; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LL8aZU098525 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DAE1B47FED5 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:08:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c51859$82900640$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in?Opinions? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:08:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace. When i studyed and was teached by a tailor (we made jackets and coats) we was taught to make the linning bigger. This way it will hold longer than if the linning was smaller. But this is a modern way to do it. Most linnings back in time was smaller. Especially the back of a jacket or coat linning should have a large pleat to ease movement. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in?Opinions? > This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat > tailored jacket for my cousin. I have the original garment and was able > to take it apart to make a pattern. This is a very well made jacket > (should have been for what she paid for it!). Something which has struck > me as being very odd is that the lining is noticeably larger than the > jacket itself, especially in the sleeves. Now, the fashion fabric is silk > dupioni and the lining is a synthetic. Do you think that it is just that > the silk has shrunk that much or that there would be a reason to make the > lining bigger (I guess I always thought, that if anything, the lining > would be slightly smaller)? > > There really isn't any noticeable shrinking going on in the rest of the > jacket....There is a fair amount of horse hair interlining and wool > padding which shows no sign of shrinkage..... > > Thanks for your opinion > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:12:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNCsZ0015943 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNC9Zj002065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNC7Lk005796; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLiB1W029455 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1f5.54cda56 (4196) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f5.54cda56.2f4bb020@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic vs natural breathability....related to the tailored ja... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2005 3:34:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: This also made me start to ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but still breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the nature of the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky when it gets moist....so what do you guys think? Function of fiber, thread, and fabric structure. If I'm remembering correctly, Goretex (trade name) is a waterproof film, but it has microscopic holes for breathability. Some synthetic fibers absorb moisture better than others, too, and that is what really makes a fabric "breathe"--the ability to absorb moisture. For maximum comfort, you could use a cotton lining for the body, but use something else slick for the sleeves to make it easier to get on and off. China silk, while comfortable, probably would not hold up well to a great deal of wear. I'm sure others on the list will have suggestions. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:13:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNDCBY015947 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNCSZj002162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNCM45006122; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMPNeI063134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNb1aL020975 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:01 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] test message Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:25:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <021720051535.28357.4214B9AA0005660900006EC522007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021720051535.28357.4214B9AA0005660900006EC522007507440809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502211725.17915.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 February 2005 10:35 am, Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > I've not getten messages for two days....wondering if I've been unsubbed... 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Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:13:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNDKjT015950 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNCTZj002167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNCRVk006167; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav18.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLTsJw016900 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:29:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:28:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050217192301.74889.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Tudor gowns Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 21:29:00.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BCF7E70:01C5185C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Can anyone give me a definative answer? Unfortunately, I don't think so. Although there seems to be more of a concensus for Tudor than for Elizabethan. Most people assume Tudor were sewn together. I know in Renaissance italy some doublets had lacing holes for points, so some kinds of garments must have been made as two separate pieces - but I think I've only seen that on men's garments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNDXUJ015958 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNCfZj002222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNCfVf006427; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LLOAhY011286 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BA5319097 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:23:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421A516B.6070701@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:23:55 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Platt Hall Gallery of Costume now has a webpage References: <4.3.0.20050216233149.00bd7ce0@pop.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20050216233149.00bd7ce0@pop.vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That is a really nice website! I love the Fancy ball dress from 1950 And the archery stuf too! I think my husband would want such a nice 19th century coat with leather protection on his bow arm. Thanks for sending the link! And yes it is difficult to find anything on the site. The detailed search seems to work best. david webb wrote: > Please excuse me if someone has already pointed this out, but the > Platt Hall Gallery of Costume, Manchester has an interesting costume > webpage: > > http://www.manchestergalleries.org/html/costume/goc_collection.html > > So far my favorite in the 1820's archery dress. > > I found the "Search the collection" option unfriendly - downright > obstinate. Perhaps I didn't try hard enough. I was a little > disappointed is that it is broken down by the following themes: > > Designers Dressing Up, Dressing Down Clothes for Work Recycled > Fashion > Sexuality Materials and Making Close Up Sports and > Leisure Underwear > > and I am more interested in a chronological order. Oh well! However, > once you are wandering around these themes, they offer some > chronological themes. I also wish that there was more complete > information accompanying the button images. For example, there was a > page on fans, but no matter which fan you clicked on, the text > remained the same. > > On the positive side if you are interested in the early 19th century > or Regency period, they include a few prints from "Dress and Manners > of the English" and George Walker's "The Costume of Yorkshire" and > other prints which are often difficult to locate. > > Despite the quirks the site is well worth the visit! Great collection > and great images and supplementary material. > > Sheridan Alder > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:14:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNEE8O015963 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:14:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNDRZj002287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:13:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNDMjt007024; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com (smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com [212.250.162.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMParu063273 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from trg.mann@virgin.net) Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050221222524.STZH20856.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:25:24 +0000 Received: from MainComputer ([82.2.198.72]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050221222524.FPWA3971.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@MainComputer> for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <009201c51864$3cadda70$48c60252@MainComputer> From: "Terry Mann" To: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks from the would-be-lutenist! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1LNEE8O015963 Status: RO Thanks to everyone who wrote with suggestions for patterns for 16th/17th C costume for possible future lute playing activities - I'm already following some of them up. I've got to get to grips with learning to play the instrument first before I launch into making anything though, so you may not hear any further cries for help for a while! All the best until then, Terry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:14:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNEWC1015967 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:14:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNDsZj002353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNDqmO007535; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMBt1A052202 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022122115001300qf34ne>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:11:50 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:11:49 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic vs natural breathability....related to the tailored jacket question earlier Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:11:49 +0000 Message-Id: <022120052211.26380.421A5CA500033A4A0000670C22058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I would tend to agree with you that the suse of the synthetic lining would eliminate any benefit of the silk. And I *think* dupioni tends to tear when wet, it not well suppported by a strong infrastructure...But I think it depends on the *weight and hand* of the silk. I'm not sure about how or why gortex works, but it works really well in the icky weather! I've used it for cape lining for my daughters. It may seem spendy, but if you think about it, I need less yardage for a shorter cloak, and she stays warmer and dryer when she wants to play out in the camp. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat > tailored jacket for my cousin. The fashion fabric is silk dupioni and > the lining is a synthetic. My cousin believes that the silk breaths > better (which I don't disagree with), but doesn't fact that it is lined > with a synthetic kind of make that mute? This also made me start to > ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but still > breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the nature of > the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky when it gets > moist....so what do you guys think? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:14:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNEuUj015970 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:14:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNEPZj002445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:14:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNEOQb008066; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMXLr9069653 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C19347FEB3 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:33:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c51865$64648540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:33:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, As promised here are pictures from the masqued ball. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm It was a lovely evening, but i was so engaged in glaring at all the costumes and dansing with my niece, that i only took some few fotos. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:16:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNGSik015978 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNFUZj002618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNFQOd009044; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMJG8E058043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1777 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D3LtV-0004Bk-9j for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:19:09 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1LMlpYb046660 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:47:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j1LMlo1q046659 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:47:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502212247.j1LMlo1q046659@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test message In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Is there somethin g wrong with the list? I've had no messages for three > days. *giggle* It seems like it's sending out the "but I haven't gotten any messages" queries ok. Maybe it was just a very busy weekend SCA-wise Susan/ Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:16:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNGXKu015981 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNFUZj002617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNFQg5009047; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMgrK9077853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-72-146.thebeenet.com ([209.204.72.146] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D3MGD-0002PU-70 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:42:38 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:42:51 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <000b01c51866$b291d640$9248ccd1@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200502212228.j1LMRwRT065284@net.indra.com> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Question about Tudor gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Unfortunately I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer to your question, Melody, because we simply don't know. There are no Tudor gowns extant to the best of my knowledge so we only have paintings to go by for construction possibilities. In the beginning of the Tudor period, when Henry Tudor (VII) was in power, the gowns appear to not have waist seams. But the waist seams soon show up and the bodices seam to get stiffer at the same time. I'm speaking in generalities of course, but you get the picture. For the period of the Tudor age that you specify, I would definitely put a waist seam in the gown. What I can tell you is that Elizabethan gowns have never been proven to be separate bodices worn with overskirts as we see at Ren Faires. The opposite is more likely -- that the bodice and the overskirt were sewn together as one. The way you get into this is to line up the skirt opening and the bodice opening. It's really no different than getting into an A-line gown. The only things we know were worn as separates are under-bodices and under-petticotes and even those were most likely pointed (tied) together for wear. I hope this throws some light on the subject and doesn't just cause more confusion. Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: [h-cost] Question about Tudor gowns Hi, Maybe you guys can help. I've asked other boards and got variable answers that didn't quite get me the answer I was looking for, so here goes Are the skirts of a Tudor gown seperate( like the Eliza bethan bodice -skirt-overskirt) or are the gowns one piece? as in "cut as a one piece dress". I was told a variety of answers, "2 pieces-but stiched together as one" ( How do you get into it then?) "one continoius top to hem cut" like a modern A-line, (closure-back-front?lace buttons -hooks?" Can anyone give me a definative answer? At this point I'm just stalled,not sure which way to proceed. AS for which Part of the Tudor age, I'm thinking late Henry the 8th ,pre-teen Elizabeth I. Thanks, Melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:17:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNH0Ub015986 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNGRZj002701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNGQhm009834; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:16:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNGNLJ009708 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a2.2e9fadde (2168) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.2e9fadde.2f4bc5bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dropped or lost? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO still getting you ok elena, so theres no problem my dear pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:17:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNHklB015989 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:17:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNH4Zj002775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNH3pa010308; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNGvkX010226 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICA00G0LBC8LX@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.37]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:56 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in? Opinions? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <126e04126adb.126adb126e04@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm right now in the process of 'deconstructing' a modern suit coat - the coat is a wonderfull dk forest green silk weave - anyway , the lining is just a bit bigger than the outside layer. If you were to turn the coat completely inside out the lining would still be a little baggy. Hope this helps Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- > Wicked Frau wrote: > > This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat > > tailored jacket for my cousin. Something which has struck me as being very odd is that the lining is noticeably larger than the jacket itself, especially in the sleeves. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:18:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNINx2015996 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNHfZj002894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNHekg010977; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMmkiW082906 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.fa.d5330d4 (2168) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:48:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] list yet? elena are you recieving me To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi elena, i will post test messgae to you,if you recieve this all is well pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:19:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNJUp1016003 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:19:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNIrZj003016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNIq75011954; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LN0Jei092792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0BrEp021614 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:11:57 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:00:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200502161338.j1GDc5fj004160@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050219001055.0272bec0@pop.radiks.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050219001055.0272bec0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502211800.09631.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 19 February 2005 1:13 am, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Hello all - > > I haven't gotten anything in 2 days - wondering if I got unsubbed somehow > or if the list is just slow right now. This is just a test. I'm getting list mail, Sandy. However, I note your post is dated Saturday and I've only just now seen it--even though I've been home since Sunday night and have been checking my mail regularly since. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNKoHu016011 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:20:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNKJZj003115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNKIqb013151; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:20:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNKF5x013037 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:20:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from KV59213@aol.com) Received: from KV59213@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.8b.2197b8f7 (2168) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: KV59213@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.2197b8f7.2f4bc6a4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:20:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just wondering To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hi, no i think they have all passed away on the list, but im getting you ok so things are getting back to normal pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:23:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNNvsh016022 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:23:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNN8Zj003389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNN5AH015524; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNMxOp015430 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICA003KOBMB7B@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.37]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:22:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:22:59 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just wondering To: Historical Costume Message-id: <110181111f1b.111f1b110181@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't posted in a while as I am busy with several projects. But I got everyone's 'Hello?' and 'Anyone here?' messages Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: KV59213@aol.com > hi, no i think they have all passed away on the list, but im getting you ok > so things are getting back to normal > pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:29:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNTnsx016050 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:29:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNSpZj003767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNSmVe020075; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNSg8J019966 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICA00K8OBVTFY@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.37]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:28:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:28:41 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball To: Historical Costume Message-id: <114dab1145be.1145be114dab@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, That first photo on the top -- If I didn't know it was a photo of actual people - I would have guessed it was a period painting! You both look like you stepped off of a museum's wall of paintings!! Katheryne who is jealous of the wonderful dress. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > Hi, > As promised here are pictures from the masqued ball. > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm > > It was a lovely evening, but i was so engaged in glaring at all the costumes > and dansing with my niece, that i only took some few fotos. > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:31:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNVO4s016062 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNUlZj003946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:30:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNUl3d021671; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNUjOn021566 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022123303901300qj2v1e>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:30:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c5186d$5d3a4950$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo.... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:30:40 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin, I have noticed the past few weekends have been a little quiet. Maybe everyone is enjoying the spring-like weather or busy going to events. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:33:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNXuAF016075 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:33:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNXPZj004145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNXO7G023803; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1LNXJ6E023696 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 23:33:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050221232954.014b2aa8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:31:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just wondering In-Reply-To: <110181111f1b.111f1b110181@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:22 21/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't posted in a while as I am busy with several projects. > >But I got everyone's 'Hello?' and 'Anyone here?' messages > >Katheryne I got everything today, from stuff dated 16th Feb. Weird - obviously been sitting in the ether somewhere waiting to arrive. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:36:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNaJid016085 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNZjZj004384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNZffZ025653; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:35:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNZc8V025567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0lJ1H022187; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:47:19 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo.... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:35:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502211835.35090.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Robin Netherton X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 21 February 2005 2:31 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > Is the server down, or are you folks just ignoring me? > > Must be all that stuff I wrote about sleeves or something. Nope, nobody's ignoring you. A number of people have posted and said they have not been getting list mail for the last few days, though I'm not one of them. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:37:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNbpRT016097 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNbHZj004490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNbGwP026862; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNb9XW026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0mkeN022216; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:48:47 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] problem w/ list? Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050220073859.64515.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050220073859.64515.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502211837.03188.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sunday 20 February 2005 2:38 am, Kathryn Parke wrote: > Hi -- > > For about a week now, I have gotten no emails from the list -- and knowing > this list, I can't believe that's really possible! I tried to log in from > the h-costume list on the Yahoo page, and kept getting taken to a page that > said "authentication failed." Can you help me with this? Do I need to > re-subscribe for some reason? Surely I didn't get kicked off the list! > And if I did, for some I-can't-imagine-what reason, wouldn't I have been > told that? Nope, the list has not been quiet for a whole week, Kathryn, and you're not the only person to have sent posts asking what's going on. Unfortunately, I don't know what's going on either, and I've been getting posts all along. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:39:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNdfE9016108 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNdDZj004637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNdC9b028395; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNdAPN028354 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17479 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:51:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:51:35 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test message In-Reply-To: <200502212247.j1LMlo1q046659@sabre.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Susan Farmer wrote: > > Is there somethin g wrong with the list? I've had no messages for three > > days. > > *giggle* It seems like it's sending out the "but I haven't gotten any > messages" queries ok. Maybe it was just a very busy weekend SCA-wise It looks like there was a server backup that affected at least a good chunk of the list. I redeived nothing since Wednesday or so, then all the messages came in a lump in the last couple of hours (including lots of test messages from other people who were similarly afflicted). Meanwhile, a few people say they've been getting messages all along. I've seen cases before where a server will develop a blockage partway through a list, on a single "bad" address, so that everyone above the blockage gets messages, but everyone below that point does not, till it's cleared. Perhaps that's what happened. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:39:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNdl9v016111 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNdDZj004638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNdC4C028396; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNd9Ek028292 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022123390301400hnvo7e>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:39:04 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c5186e$89de17b0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220043433.8AE18A541FB@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Subject: Re: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:39:02 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth, You might want to ask our Costume Classroom parasol instructor Marna Jean. Just click on the link on the Classroom Instructors webpage. Also one of my interns is working on restoring some parasols, including mine. She is stripping the handle of my parasol. Her husband does wood-working. If interested, please write me off-list and I can send you her email address. I found an embroidery pattern for the canopy of a parasol. I will be spending the summer embroidering it while sitting around at swim meets. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:45:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNj5Ga016141 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:45:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNiQZj005134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNiQBk032730; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNiOLh032639 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022123441801300qhlq1e>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:44:19 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c5186f$45981b40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050217171956.034f8808@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] daughter in magazine Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:44:23 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Congrads Kayta!!!!!!!!!! Give your daughter and ask for her autograph! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 18:45:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LNj52g016142 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:45:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LNiCZj005122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNi6VJ032477; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tombstone.b.org.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LNi3Nd032365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 12217 invoked by uid 1057); 21 Feb 2005 23:43:59 -0000 Received: from 203.79.122.104 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. Clear:RC:1(203.79.122.104):. Processed in 0.030771 secs); 21 Feb 2005 23:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (gold@203.79.122.104) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 23:43:58 -0000 Message-ID: <421A7235.9020408@where.else.net.nz> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:43:49 +1300 From: Melissa Brown Muckart User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] problem w/ list? References: <20050220073859.64515.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> <200502211837.03188.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200502211837.03188.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It seems that perhaps the people writing about a quiet list can successfully post but aren't getting any of the list's email. Do we have a friendly neighborhood moderator who might be able to help? Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Sunday 20 February 2005 2:38 am, Kathryn Parke wrote: > >>Hi -- >> >>For about a week now, I have gotten no emails from the list -- and knowing >>this list, I can't believe that's really possible! I tried to log in from >>the h-costume list on the Yahoo page, and kept getting taken to a page that >>said "authentication failed." Can you help me with this? Do I need to >>re-subscribe for some reason? Surely I didn't get kicked off the list! >>And if I did, for some I-can't-imagine-what reason, wouldn't I have been >>told that? > > > Nope, the list has not been quiet for a whole week, Kathryn, and you're not > the only person to have sent posts asking what's going on. Unfortunately, I > don't know what's going on either, and I've been getting posts all along. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 19:13:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0DOLM016306 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1LMwBZj028962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1LMw7Yb091129; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:58:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1JG3ZBx001931 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be02.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.2]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CF5F5EE03B for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:03:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c5169c$95d216d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] greetings from maskqed ball in Copenhagen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I promised you some pictures from the masqued ball. Here are some glimses of the wonderfull evening. We enjoyed the evening so much, and got home very early in the morning at 4 o clock. I completely forgot to take many more pictures because i was so much enjoying the many gorgeous costumes that was seen this evening. I think there was about 200 people in the pallace and it was lovely to see that so many people had made so much effords to dress in their best. I am a little tired today, so i shall make links to bigger pictures in one of the next days. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm It was such a succes, that they plan to make a masqued ball next year, with the ballet of Romeo and Juliet. This would be an opportunity to make italian renaissance outfit next year......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 19:36:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0apfs016433 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M0a8Zj012623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M0a1K7081256; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M0ZwFZ081222 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:35:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.84] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D3O1s-0008Pg-Pr for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:35:57 -0500 Message-ID: <020a01c51876$7393a2b0$54159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220060912.18FBD3942@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:35:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b770ca1664b649294c1541bf7347abe8f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.84 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joannah wrote: > Is there such a thing available for sale in the US as graph > paper marked in imperial / inches?... so large sheets ... The link below will take you to the appropriate page at Dick Blick. You can get graph paper ruled by quarters, eighths, and tenths of the inch in sizes up to 17" x 22" sheets. Dick Blick does international shipping. http://www.dickblick.com/zz106/13/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=935 You might also want to try this incredible shareware graph paper program and tape sheets together (free). Download it here: http://www.marquis-soft.com/graphpapeng.htm It can make all kinds of graph papers, music manuscript papers, calligraphy liner sheets, lots of stuff. (Click on "Change" for the the menu.) The abcissa and ordinates can scaled eight ways including metric and imperial, and you can combine them to get just about anything you want. You can change the print colors, thickness of the lines, etc. Several page sizes are available. I've found it very useful. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 19:51:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M0p0nP016512 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M0oGZj017510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M0o7eF091051; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M0o5gs091026 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.84] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D3OFY-000599-Uf for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:50:05 -0500 Message-ID: <029201c51878$6e192150$54159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c51865$64648540$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:49:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bddb9957f243389a29f1354c76073ce68350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.84 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just beautiful, Bjarne. Is your niece's dress even brighter in the sun? Thanks for sharing the pictures with us. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 20:15:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M1Fnft016703 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M1F0Zj026323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1EvWB008640; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1D35B007222 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.127](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200502220112570140034ag2e>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:12:57 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:12:56 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] list yet? elena are you recieving me Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:12:56 +0000 Message-Id: <022220050112.18340.421A8718000C9EFD000047A422058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Pippa dear! Yup got this email and all is fine! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > hi elena, i will post test messgae to you,if you recieve this all is well > pippa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 20:25:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M1PrDb016767 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M1PHZj029626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:25:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1PCj5015625; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:25:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1PBhF015595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: from adsl-065-013-105-239.sip.tys.bellsouth.net ([65.13.105.239]:1976 helo=sabre.goldsword.com) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D3OnP-0006Lp-7v for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:25:03 -0600 Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1M1rlYb047540 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from sfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id j1M1rkqW047539 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:53:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: Susan Farmer Message-Id: <200502220153.j1M1rkqW047539@sabre.goldsword.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball In-Reply-To: <114dab1145be.1145be114dab@optonline.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sabre.goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Bjarne, > > That first photo on the top -- > > If I didn't know it was a photo of actual people - I would have guessed it was a period painting! > > You both look like you stepped off of a museum's wall of paintings!! Truely gorgeous! Jerusha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 20:51:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M1p63P016904 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M1oDZj005954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1o06Z032750; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1nwTT032630 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:49:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m60.in-tch.com [216.166.191.60]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1M1kYI27248 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:46:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <421A90FA.7030009@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:55:06 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test References: <200502161338.j1GDc5fj004160@net.indra.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050219001055.0272bec0@pop.radiks.net> <200502211800.09631.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200502211800.09631.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been off and on my computer all weekend, and it was only this afternoon that I got a huge pile (almost 100) messages from H-cost, dating back to the 16th of last week. I'd just assumed it was a really quiet weekend, and didn't hassle myself over it. Glad to know things are back in order, though. --sue Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Saturday 19 February 2005 1:13 am, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > >>Hello all - >> >>I haven't gotten anything in 2 days - wondering if I got unsubbed somehow >>or if the list is just slow right now. This is just a test. > > > I'm getting list mail, Sandy. However, I note your post is dated Saturday and > I've only just now seen it--even though I've been home since Sunday night and > have been checking my mail regularly since. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 20:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M1tLsS016920 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:55:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M1seZj006913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1sdt5036032; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1M1rZmo035258 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84468 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 01:53:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2mggT7cercJPq1g2L0sM+ry6GFVcMsrLb5iwDHu26D/hbQT+ZUqhe4Gn8WpJOK5jBIBdYfNmn3DcyigPBu9KhSlcsUlz4Im1H8nB84Y4CiP0ofTp7xYKXk/LxQsEm28s1djsF6oibGXm53Mz0/983ozBASWzn7d6YNwDnPgWl/U= ; Message-ID: <20050222015330.84465.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.21.56.184] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:53:30 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from maskqed ball in Copenhagen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c5169c$95d216d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh how wonderful!!! Thank you SO much for the pictures Bjarne. You all look fabulous :) Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I promised you some pictures from the masqued ball. Here are some glimses of the wonderfull evening. We enjoyed the evening so much, and got home very early in the morning at 4 o clock. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 21:28:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M2STOT017043 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M1CLZj025454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1CBGx006711; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M1C36B006597 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.127](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022201115801300qfaale>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:11:58 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:11:57 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dropped or lost? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:11:57 +0000 Message-Id: <022220050111.16318.421A86DD000B906500003FBE22058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are such a sweetie. I think the cyber world hiccupped and decided to burp out all the emails today...Cyber heartburn, maybe? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > still getting you ok elena, so theres no problem my dear > pippa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 21:35:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M2ZIDi017074 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M2YbZj015712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M2YV7Z064980; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M2YQbR064856 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m60.in-tch.com [216.166.191.60]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1M2V2I08395 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:31:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <421A9B67.9050901@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:39:35 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from maskqed ball in Copenhagen References: <000501c5169c$95d216d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c5169c$95d216d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wonderful pictures! I'm glad to hear you had a wonderful time. An ItalianRen ball sounds like loads of fun! --sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I promised you some pictures from the masqued ball. > Here are some glimses of the wonderfull evening. > We enjoyed the evening so much, and got home very early in the morning > at 4 o clock. I completely forgot to take many more pictures because i > was so much enjoying the many gorgeous costumes that was seen this evening. > I think there was about 200 people in the pallace and it was lovely to > see that so many people had made so much effords to dress in their best. > I am a little tired today, so i shall make links to bigger pictures in > one of the next days. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm > It was such a succes, that they plan to make a masqued ball next year, > with the ballet of Romeo and Juliet. This would be an opportunity to > make italian renaissance outfit next year......... > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 22:59:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M3xKF0017465 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M3wPZj008065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M3wBmi021287; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M3w8dU021221 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:58:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.179] (p19.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.179]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1M3th700973; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:55:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: <42140149.34594265@greatlakes.net> References: <42140149.34594265@greatlakes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:04:34 -0700 To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Fabric sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist art, like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a dress out of such for a character in a play. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 23:32:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M4Whvn017808 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:32:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M4W5Zj015410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4W1AF044681; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4VtTH044537 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:31:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050222043149.IUVM7126.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:31:49 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.204.96]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050222043148.YICZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:31:48 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.3.0]); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:31:54 +1300 Message-ID: <004401c51897$6fd0a440$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <200502220114.j1M1CFqX006766@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:31:53 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] List issues and other stuff. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I suspect there was a backlog as today I have gotten about 10 digest from the last few days. It's happened before, it doesn't last for too long (though I think 5 days this time was pushing it a bit;) ) and there's nothing to be done. I'm not sure if anyone has the archives from the last time, but I think it was discussed and assured mail would still arrive.. even if late;) Anyway, I'm sitting here with hands the colour of some badly cured ham... I'm dying over some Fashion Doll pink linen to a slightly more respectable though still vibrant pinky-red. Three dip dyes so far (to avoid streaking in cold dye I find it best to dip, swish for a minute, hang up to dry, then repeat) and it's working...I now have a virulent coral colour.... Also I'm awaiting photos from an SCA event last weekend. I want to see just how bright this thing looked while worn outdoors: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/kampfrau.htm I've been editing images for The Frazzled Frau too, and hunting down links that I did have then lost... oops;) michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 23:38:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M4cYiN017899 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:38:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M4bwZj016864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:37:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4btHa048830; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav5.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4bqB8048749 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:37:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:36:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220060912.18FBD3942@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:36:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 04:37:00.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[26681C60:01C51898] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Is there such a thing available for sale in the US as graph > paper marked in imperial / inches? The paper they sell on rolls at my closest Fabricville, and that I use to copy patterns I don't want to cut, is in iches. They're not grids though, because only the corners of the "squares" are marked. The other closest thing I've seen in Canada is graph paper marked to the 1/4 inch. That was at the local Bureau en Gros (Staples). I'm a little too far away from you to be of any help though :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 21 23:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M4qj9L018024 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:52:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M4q1Zj020001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4pfjB058259; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:51:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M4pbpo058137 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.111.4468202b (4529) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <111.4468202b.2f4c1451@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:51:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/21/2005 5:14:55 PM Central Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm Beautiful, wonderful, and all that happy stuff. Thank you for posting the pictures bet your niece had a blast. It looked.... well repeat of the beginning. theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 02:23:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M7N4iY025741 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:23:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M7MPZj012936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M7M8jb051562; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M7M7Jo051191 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022207212601400htgtte>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: <012e01c518af$21ad5c00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:21:20 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dumb Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1M7N4iY025741 Status: RO I am working on ads with prices from antique fashion magazines. Can someone please tell me the Microsoft Works key shortcut for the British pound symbol. I don't have the symbol on my keyboard. I know England is awake now... I go to bed about the time you all go to work. LOL! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 03:57:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M8vgPA017633 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M8uuZj021902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:56:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M8uh2D007707; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M8ufoj007674 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:56:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D3CFF26284F for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:56:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00bd01c518bc$729b3620$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200502220114.j1M1CFqX006766@net.indra.com> <004401c51897$6fd0a440$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] List issues and other stuff. Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:56:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Michaela, Oh how wonderfull that dress is. And your dyeing is perfect. Thanks for the look! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] List issues and other stuff. >I suspect there was a backlog as today I have gotten about 10 digest from > the last few days. > > It's happened before, it doesn't last for too long (though I think 5 days > this time was pushing it a bit;) ) and there's nothing to be done. > > I'm not sure if anyone has the archives from the last time, but I think it > was discussed and assured mail would still arrive.. even if late;) > > Anyway, I'm sitting here with hands the colour of some badly cured ham... > I'm dying over some Fashion Doll pink linen to a slightly more respectable > though still vibrant pinky-red. > > Three dip dyes so far (to avoid streaking in cold dye I find it best to > dip, > swish for a minute, hang up to dry, then repeat) and it's working...I now > have a virulent coral colour.... > > Also I'm awaiting photos from an SCA event last weekend. I want to see > just > how bright this thing looked while worn outdoors: > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/kampfrau.htm > > I've been editing images for The Frazzled Frau too, and hunting down links > that I did have then lost... oops;) > > michaela > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 04:21:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M9LvI8024963 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M9LOZj023161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:21:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M9LH9n022483; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:21:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M9LFbf022437 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DBE0D47FE75 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:21:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00e001c518bf$e5edbc30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <114dab1145be.1145be114dab@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:21:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball > Bjarne, > > That first photo on the top -- > > If I didn't know it was a photo of actual people - I would have guessed it > was a period painting! > > You both look like you stepped off of a museum's wall of paintings!! > > Katheryne > who is jealous of the wonderful dress. Hi Katheryne! That first photo also was taken by a proffesional photographer. His camera was able to catch the right dark shade of the shocking pink dupioni, wich my camera refuses to do. It still is the early stages of digital photography, and the cameras has a lot to learn yeat! I can tell you, that i have seen enough of this colour for a loong time :-) Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 05:01:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MA155h003160 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1M9s6Zj024407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M9rU2N041087; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1M9rRrO040994 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from theforce ([64.0.176.8]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:51:46 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshal" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:53:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUYaI2GzghpJFyYTPOUhsPcc4++5QAW1ayA In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050219184241.01df6150@pop.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 09:51:46.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F4C7C10:01C518C4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth I got at a garage sale- the yellowing was noticeable, but not severe, and 3-4 hrs in direct sunlight cleared it up. I was surprised how well it worked. Just FYI it was at a summer demo here in Texas, not sure if the angle or total amout of sunlight was a factor. Hope this helps, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of koid gath Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions from removing yellowing on white linen. I got something on one of my smocks at an event, applied stain remover, washed it and put it away. I got it out today and it has yellowed over the stain area. Thanks Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 05:35:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MAZKos014451 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:35:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MAYWZj026457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MAYNbq065621; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41010.mail.yahoo.com (web41010.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MAYKOa065542 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:34:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73638 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 10:34:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=fbFYoFqON5+K1JkICdpc1HGvI7c1djFrXqY9Yx9Q7WT4QiD2/lcrmxx6HluYPC+IkHoD0JR4O7QsZgRaoq5lKDSE8z+eqhplil2wjKWJonU9kFSARrPYtKLCLn7HFsYOctfSgzoBNYrUgD9hb8yagFumb/bWscjiMUTVWioMyW4= ; Message-ID: <20050222103415.73636.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:34:15 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <012e01c518af$21ad5c00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO alt+3 Tania Penny Ladnier wrote: I am working on ads with prices from antique fashion magazines. Can someone please tell me the Microsoft Works key shortcut for the British pound symbol. I don't have the symbol on my keyboard. I know England is awake now... I go to bed about the time you all go to work. LOL! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) Why not? I know somebody whose teddy-bear has his own credit card. It was, apparently, surprisingly easy to get.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 06:02:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MB20Lc020027 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MB1KZj027532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MB1ELK081604; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:01:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MB13Se081472 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:01:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050222110057.ZAJF23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:00:57 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.204.96]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050222110056.BDEL22382.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:00:56 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.3.0]); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:01:06 +1300 Message-ID: <00a001c518cd$ce8608a0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:01:05 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang > it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth I got at a > garage sale- the yellowing was noticeable, but not severe, and 3-4 hrs in > direct sunlight cleared it up. I was surprised how well it worked. Just FYI > it was at a summer demo here in Texas, not sure if the angle or total amout > of sunlight was a factor. Hope this helps, Betsy I know someone has mentioned seeing washing laying out in a field in a painting before, not sure if it was here. Yesterday I got to see a print of just such a painting called The Bleaching Field or something similar. Basically lots and lots of shirts, shifts and round pieces (anyone hazard a guess... veils? homeware?) laid flat on the grass. From around 1600. Interestingly there were some coloured pieces laying out as well. I've been told it's best to do this in the morning because as the dew evaporates there's some chemical (physical?) reaction that occurs. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 06:15:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MBFdRs020136 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:15:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MBEwZj028140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:14:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MBErnn089690; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MBCYGF088209 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022211122801400hjeh5e>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:12:28 +0000 Message-ID: <013801c518cf$6819def0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222103415.73636.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:12:32 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO LOL!!! Tania, it didn't give me a pound sign but a heart. It was nice of you to send me a heart so close after Valentine's Day. Thank you! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 06:18:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MBItj8020178 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:18:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MBIMZj028249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MBIMJM091726; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MBIJpO091697 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:18:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1020B26284F for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:18:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c518d0$47b62230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792900@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:18:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I just thoaght about a true story about teddy bears, i dont know if i ever told you, but here it comes again. Sorry if i posted it before. A gay coupple always carried a teddy bear arround to things, when visiting friends and going to the movies two. The teddy was always dressed very well. One time they had it with them when travelling by airplane to their holliday place. When they returned, the Costume man stopped them and was very susspicious about the teddy, so he took a knife and tared it apart to see if they had smuggled anything in it. Can you imagine how sad this was to them? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > >> Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) > > Why not? > > I know somebody whose teddy-bear has his own credit card. > > It was, apparently, surprisingly easy to get.... > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 07:14:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MCE6kl020566 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:14:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MCD4Zj001926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCCffH026292; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:12:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCCSwJ026130 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:12:00 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792902@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers Thread-Index: AcUYa3VkfxAVDPoeTfmnCct65KqwgwAbAI3Q Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Another pick-your-brains moment! > > My kid's school trousers are made from drill cotton. They have been treated > to need no ironing, which sounded fine, but they pick up fluff like nothing > else - all day every day! I've tried using the clothes brush, and they do > get mostly defluffed until they're worn, and then they pick everything up > again. I've also tried an in-wash anti-static conditioner. Not much > difference at all. Has anyone got any ideas? They're not looking nice for > the uniforms. Boil the hell out of them to see if you vcan get rid of the no-iron treatment? That's the only think I can think of that would cause cotton drill to attract fluff. Good luck! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 07:34:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MCYsG1020749 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:34:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MCYKZj003148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:34:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCYHTb040672; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCYE0A040497 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A6BD2C050094; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:34:05 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 22 Feb 05 12:34:03 -0000 Message-ID: <01ce01c518da$f70eb300$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050219184241.01df6150@pop.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:35:15 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If it is indeed a 100% natural fabric, "Aunt Ellen's stain remover" should do the trick . Found this at JoAnns. I first used it on a tea cozy that had been somewhat neglected for years and it removed all the set-in stains very well. I also keep it on hand for dye removal of spots that will appear when I forget to empty pockets in the laundry... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "koid gath" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen > I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions from removing yellowing on > white linen. I got something on one of my smocks at an event, applied stain > remover, washed it and put it away. I got it out today and it has yellowed > over the stain area. > > Thanks > > Sharon Nevin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 07:45:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MCjXnu020834 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:45:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MCidZj003561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCiau7047278; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCiYrC047197 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A92C139B00B8; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:44:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 22 Feb 05 12:44:27 -0000 Message-ID: <01d601c518dc$6aa38420$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220043433.8AE18A541FB@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Subject: Re: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:45:38 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is the problem with the whole pole or just the handle? The slide area will not work smoothly if it is painted. At least that has been my experience. You might sand that lightly. I usually use a matt finish paint and then polish it with a paste polish. One note of caution: sometimes the shaft is very dry...to a state of brittleness, that will not show up until one day when you are using it and it will snap in two. This has happened to me a couple of times. I have been considering re-oiling the shaft in the restoration process to see if that would help. Kathleen (who has a dozen or more oldies in use) -- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol > I have a parasol I'm going to refinish. The mechanics are all in really good > shape but the handle is a bit scraped up. It's the typical mid 19th century > black painted wood handle. Can I paint over this if I sand it some? Or, do I > need to try to strip the old paint? Any suggestions of what type of paint I > should use? > > > > > > Beth Chamberlain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 07:48:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MCmG95020848 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MClZZj003703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:47:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MClYvK049288; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MClDo8048991 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9CB45270064; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:47:07 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 22 Feb 05 12:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01e801c518dc$c96a8440$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <01b501c51749$ae76f450$0302a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:18 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got a very nice de-piller from Greenberg and Hammer. It comes with an electric cord for those big jobs. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers > Another pick-your-brains moment! > > My kid's school trousers are made from drill cotton. They have been treated > to need no ironing, which sounded fine, but they pick up fluff like nothing > else - all day every day! I've tried using the clothes brush, and they do > get mostly defluffed until they're worn, and then they pick everything up > again. I've also tried an in-wash anti-static conditioner. Not much > difference at all. Has anyone got any ideas? They're not looking nice for > the uniforms. > > Thanks, > > Glenda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 07:59:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MCxYBZ020914 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MCwuZj004138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:58:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCwrQJ056771; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MCwnfK056681 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC83299B0058; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:58:43 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 22 Feb 05 12:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <023001c518de$684e5ea0$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220043433.8AE18A541FB@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us> <001601c5186e$89de17b0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, the first parasol I recovered had embroidery on the panels, alternating two designs. I was able to salvage them enough to take rubbings which I then transferred to the new fabric. What fun! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol > Beth, > > You might want to ask our Costume Classroom parasol instructor Marna Jean. > Just click on the link on the Classroom Instructors webpage. Also one of my > interns is working on restoring some parasols, including mine. She is > stripping the handle of my parasol. Her husband does wood-working. If > interested, please write me off-list and I can send you her email address. > > I found an embroidery pattern for the canopy of a parasol. I will be > spending the summer embroidering it while sitting around at swim meets. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:05:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MD5NUe020959 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:05:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MD4tZj004498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MD4qEc060653; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41002.mail.yahoo.com (web41002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MD4oHS060575 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80788 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 13:04:45 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nkoP8CRfp2fFp08D6IMIE6Qv7T+AtpRfHjeE6xo0ADWvSyI6ndC2vaeGPUdxPjhaxz9hOhGySFkzv66NfiG8+dBv0DEMUgPmf0lvBoXDDjArXh514TAE57QTFV6ldAWi5smzbzUs8LQxApQ+CW2C5uRVrN/AKI4rvgVZnlZFscw= ; Message-ID: <20050222130445.80786.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:04:45 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <013801c518cf$6819def0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sorry about that, I forgot that my keyboard is probably configured differently from yours, since danish has an additional three letters. Then I do not know where it is. Tania Penny Ladnier wrote: LOL!!! Tania, it didn't give me a pound sign but a heart. It was nice of you to send me a heart so close after Valentine's Day. Thank you! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:14:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDEeMI021023 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:14:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDDqZj004883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDDkpi066487; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41014.mail.yahoo.com (web41014.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.13]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MDDjw6066412 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72486 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 13:13:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kuqc01MdjzrhVwjW03/pi8Kw2b88op/7YikRUS+q0OtqrfTD/Fov2WEeXwhBcjfLDlbBjdIhDIygdaAxnqOiqzTguKLqpSjx4Qv6Qefjjcm6w7+bWMuSnJ1ASgYD3LO2MnzrGZeFPseffvHB0rpxNmeUIKk17DucXFcD7CCy3h8= ; Message-ID: <20050222131339.72484.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web41014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:13:39 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050222130445.80786.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just checked. 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Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:19:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDJA62021056 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:19:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDIOZj005094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDILMN069764; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDHbTS069213 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m41.in-tch.com [216.166.191.41]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1MDEHI19094 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:14:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <421B322A.9070202@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen References: <00a001c518cd$ce8608a0$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00a001c518cd$ce8608a0$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It works wonders for cloth baby diapers, as well. Mom used a lot of cloth ones for my baby sister, and we just hung them on the line. And we're several latitudes north of Texas , being only a couple hours south of the Canadian border.... --sue, who misses the clothesline, although not the diapers...:-) michaela wrote: >>Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang >>it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth I got at a >>garage sale- the yellowing was noticeable, but not severe, and 3-4 hrs in >>direct sunlight cleared it up. I was surprised how well it worked. Just > > FYI > >>it was at a summer demo here in Texas, not sure if the angle or total > > amout > >>of sunlight was a factor. Hope this helps, Betsy > > > I know someone has mentioned seeing washing laying out in a field in a > painting before, not sure if it was here. > > Yesterday I got to see a print of just such a painting called The Bleaching > Field or something similar. > > Basically lots and lots of shirts, shifts and round pieces (anyone hazard a > guess... veils? homeware?) laid flat on the grass. From around 1600. > Interestingly there were some coloured pieces laying out as well. > > I've been told it's best to do this in the morning because as the dew > evaporates there's some chemical (physical?) reaction that occurs. > > michaela > http://glittersweet.com > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDftHK021268 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDfLZj006281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDfEPg085502; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:41:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDf4AV085401 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1MDf2Ur029335 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050222083958.00c2fec8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:41:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How could we -ever- ignore you darlin'? I think we're just being quiet... you know lullish ; > Bridgette / Mari >Is the server down, or are you folks just ignoring me? > >Must be all that stuff I wrote about sleeves or something. > >--Robin Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDjNLL021298 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:45:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDioZj006440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDioeB087993; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:44:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDgkxt086168 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j1MDg9x18891.; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:42:09 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:42:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:41:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just wondering Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, I too got a week's worth of messages today, including all the others asking "What has happened?" and the replies to them posted by people who were still getting the list! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> suzi@suziclarke.co.uk 21/02/2005 23:31:12 >>> I got everything today, from stuff dated 16th Feb. Weird - obviously been sitting in the ether somewhere waiting to arrive. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDorR5021326 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDo8Zj006746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDo6pu091844; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:50:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDkuit089460 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050222134646014003337ee>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:46:46 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.117; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:46:46 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:46:46 +0000 Message-Id: <022220051346.18510.421B37C60004EC670000484E22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, this does work. On another topic, it even works on moldy-smelling RV cushions. The cushions weren't moldy, but it worked wonders on the smell. Just have to remember to flip them over a couple of times. I'm wondering if this is why my grandma always put the sleeping bags out on the lawn? Not for the yellowing, but for the smell? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang > > it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth I got at a > > garage sale- the yellowing was noticeable, but not severe, and 3-4 hrs in > > direct sunlight cleared it up. I was surprised how well it worked. Just > FYI > > it was at a summer demo here in Texas, not sure if the angle or total > amout > > of sunlight was a factor. Hope this helps, Betsy > > I know someone has mentioned seeing washing laying out in a field in a > painting before, not sure if it was here. > > Yesterday I got to see a print of just such a painting called The Bleaching > Field or something similar. > > Basically lots and lots of shirts, shifts and round pieces (anyone hazard a > guess... veils? homeware?) laid flat on the grass. From around 1600. > Interestingly there were some coloured pieces laying out as well. > > I've been told it's best to do this in the morning because as the dew > evaporates there's some chemical (physical?) reaction that occurs. > > michaela > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:53:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDrNPS021334 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:53:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDqfZj007083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:52:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDqcQc093687; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDlr33090182 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005022213474801500l08j2e>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:47:48 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.119; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:47:47 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:47:47 +0000 Message-Id: <022220051347.20878.421B38030004BBA70000518E22007614380809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh! And could you find out if there's a picture to share? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang > > it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth I got at a > > garage sale- the yellowing was noticeable, but not severe, and 3-4 hrs in > > direct sunlight cleared it up. I was surprised how well it worked. Just > FYI > > it was at a summer demo here in Texas, not sure if the angle or total > amout > > of sunlight was a factor. Hope this helps, Betsy > > I know someone has mentioned seeing washing laying out in a field in a > painting before, not sure if it was here. > > Yesterday I got to see a print of just such a painting called The Bleaching > Field or something similar. > > Basically lots and lots of shirts, shifts and round pieces (anyone hazard a > guess... veils? homeware?) laid flat on the grass. From around 1600. > Interestingly there were some coloured pieces laying out as well. > > I've been told it's best to do this in the morning because as the dew > evaporates there's some chemical (physical?) reaction that occurs. > > michaela > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.3.0 - Release Date: 21/02/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:55:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDt5wd021350 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDsWZj007415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDsWeL095039; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDsUif095010 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j1MDsRHJ019586 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c518e6$05f9aa40$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222103415.73636.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> <013801c518cf$6819def0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:54:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're using Times New Roman, it's ALT + 0163 kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question > LOL!!! Tania, it didn't give me a pound sign but a heart. It was nice of > you to send me a heart so close after Valentine's Day. Thank you! > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 08:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MDxCxj021379 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MDwdZj008463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDwa5L097863; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MDwXTZ097811 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4740E47FF26 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:58:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c518e6$adf05280$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:59:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glaring X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kate, No in deed, i ment staring, i didnt want to miss a single one of them, talking about being maladjusted!! Thanks. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] greetings from masqued ball > Wonderful pictures, Bjarne - you look the perfect 18th century > gentleman. I hope you weren't really glaring at the other costumes, > though (it means looking fiercely)! > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 09:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ME24NI021413 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ME1TZj009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ME1TVm099941; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ME1OQL099890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; 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I hope you weren't really glaring at the other costumes, though (it means looking fiercely)! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> drewscph@post12.tele.dk 21/02/2005 22:33:35 >>> Hi, As promised here are pictures from the masqued ball. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal18feb.htm It was a lovely evening, but i was so engaged in glaring at all the costumes and dansing with my niece, that i only took some few fotos. Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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I'm new to the list and am interested in any help you all could give me to make a Burgundian gown. All I'm able to find are paintings and illuminations. Does someone have a good reference(s) that I could be directed to that would give me information on construction? And, since I'm not very good at constructing patterns, are there any patterns that would be historially correct or could be altered? Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Melinda Turnage aka: Baroness Ceinwen ferch Rhuel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 09:32:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEWvdL021736 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MEVCZj015327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:31:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MEV2P1020836; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MEV0Cs020810 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-21726); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:30:38 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:30:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050222062857.00d70af0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:30:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Natural bleaching, was Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen In-Reply-To: <421B3B30.8020500@thibault.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:01 AM 2/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Betsy Marshal wrote: > >>Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and hang >>it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth > >There's a theory that the oxyalic acid in the grass can help with the process. > >cv Actually, it's the oxygen released by the grass or bush during photosynthesis that works as a mild bleach. Not all grasses have oxalic acid (which would be in the sap, anyway). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 09:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEjosX021848 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MEjAZj018302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MEj7RR028464; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MEj5df028448 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E6E8526285F for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:45:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006801c518ed$332d26c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to the list Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:45:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Melinda, There are many skilled people on this list, also for your period. I make much later, 18th century, but i have a book with theatrical patterns, wich could be altered to more periodic treatment. It is a fine book and it also has many accessories patterns. The book is called: The Evolution of Fashion. pattern and cut from 1066-1930. By Margot Hamilton Hill - Peter A Bucknell. ISBN 0-7134-5818-6 Uk ISBN 0-89676-099-5 USA Published by Drama Book Publishers It also tells you wich colours and fabrics was used for each period and it has patterns for both women and men. Welcome to the list, i am sure you will be addicted like all the rest of us! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "M TURNAGE" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] New to the list > Hi all! I'm new to the list and am interested in any help you all could > give me to make a Burgundian gown. > > All I'm able to find are paintings and illuminations. Does someone have a > good reference(s) that I could be directed to that would give me > information on construction? And, since I'm not very good at constructing > patterns, are there any patterns that would be historially correct or > could be altered? > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Thanks, > Melinda Turnage > aka: Baroness Ceinwen ferch Rhuel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 09:49:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEnGFs021884 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MEmbZj019129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MEmYcT030352; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MEmKCV030225 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C4695EE0AD for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:48:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006d01c518ed$a735bdc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050222062857.00d70af0@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: Natural bleaching, was Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:48:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was surprised to hear this, i had no idea that the grass or the bush had influence on this. When we bleached old laces at the museum of fine arts in Copenhagen, they were pinned to boards, sprayed with water and left on the table to dry. No grass but it worked!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Natural bleaching, was Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen > At 09:01 AM 2/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>Betsy Marshal wrote: >> >>>Believe it or not- I had success with the classical- "get it damp and >>>hang >>>it out in the sunshine" technique to brighten up a dishcloth >> >>There's a theory that the oxyalic acid in the grass can help with the >>process. >> >>cv > > Actually, it's the oxygen released by the grass or bush during > photosynthesis that works as a mild bleach. Not all grasses have oxalic > acid (which would be in the sap, anyway). > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:00:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MF01fN021990 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:00:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MExPZj021699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MExLPK036534; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MExKfp036523 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C93401AF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 393BF726C; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:59:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CG0jGAAtJ5AEAAAAB,6a7181e353dfb8aa9e4b4d7dcdb76594 Message-Id: <20050222145918.393BF726C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank-you! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to say a big thank-you to Helen for the links for inch graph paper, and also thank-you to Audrey. This list is a nice community. Thank-you! ( big happy smile :-)) ) Joannah _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:24:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MFOuqp022142 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MFOEZj026194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFOBHR052139; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFO8ox052043 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200502221524030140033pmfe>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:24:03 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:24:00 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in?Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:24:00 +0000 Message-Id: <022220051524.4347.421B4E9000087964000010FB22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the extra might be for the constant movement that comes with riding? The lining would be up against the body and take the strain of the sliding back and forth that comes with the constant movement of the arms within the sleeves, maybe? And the extra fullness in the body of the jacket to allow for the constant shifting and sliding within the body of the jacket? (I can only imagine the static electric shock one could get from the friction! LOL!) Since you've mentioned that the jacket itself appears to have a good infrastructure of the inter-lining, that the actual fashion fabric shell is supported by that? Thus the outer shell is not reliant on the lining for any kind of support? Just my guess on the matter.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Thank you Bjarne. This is not a historic jacket, so what you were > taught should apply. Now I understand the pleat thing, but would even > the lining sleeves be bigger? I would think then the fashion material > would take the stress, you see what I mean? > > Thanks so much! > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Dear Saragrace. > > When i studyed and was teached by a tailor (we made jackets and coats) > > we was taught to make the linning bigger. This way it will hold longer > > than if the linning was smaller. But this is a modern way to do it. > > Most linnings back in time was smaller. Especially the back of a > > jacket or coat linning should have a large pleat to ease movement. > > > > Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MFTr4U022181 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:29:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MFSwZj026713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:28:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFStFN055520; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from astros.uttyler.edu (astros.uttyler.edu [206.76.228.100]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFSpUR055390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vicki_betts@mail.uttyl.edu) Received: from ([198.213.56.77]) by astros.uttyler.edu with ESMTP id KP-GGD45.1784448; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:28:19 -0600 In-Reply-To: <000801c518e6$05f9aa40$2f02a8c0@Duncan> To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: From: Vicki_Betts@mail.uttyl.edu Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:33:39 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on UT Tyler Admin/UT Tyler(Release 6.5.3|September 14, 2004) at 02/22/2005 09:32:00 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Working Women, 1870-1930 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Harvard University has just pulled together a collection entitled Women Working, 1870 - 1930, which provides access to digitized historical, manuscript, and image resources selected from their library and museum collections. Included are some trade catalogs: Clothing Abercrombie & Fitch. 1913 styles. Allen, Brock & Smith, Inc. Exclusive New York designs in up to date shoes sold to you at factory prices.(1913) B. Altman & Co., Catalogue. (Fall/Winter 1879/80, Fall/Winter 1886/87 Spring/Summer 1917, Christmas Issue, November 1926) Batchelder & Lincoln Company. Fall season 1907, shoe novelties illustrated. Chicago Mercantile Co. Pattern hats, Fall and Winter 1909. Hilton, Hughes & Co. A Visit to Hilton Hughes ... (Retail Store, 1895) Holbrook and Taylor. The Tale of a pair of French kids. (Shoes, 1885) National Cloak and Suit Company. Twenty third anniversary sale. (1911) Thomas G. Plant Company. Queens of quality. (Shoes,1905) United Shirt and Collar Co. Catalogue of ladies' collars and cuffs, chemisettes, cape and sailor collars.(1900) Groceries, Food Preparation, and Pharmaceuticals Walter Baker & Co. Choice recipes (1905) Cobb, Bates & Yerxa. Retail Price List (Grocery prices, 1889) S.S. Pierce Co. S.S. Pierce, Importers and Grocers. (Groceries, wines, cigars, perfumes, 1886) W.H. Schieffelin & Co. W. H. Schieffelin & Co.'s general prices current of drugs, chemical and pharmaceutical preparations. (1887) The link for the trade catalogs is: http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/ww/trade.html Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:37:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MFbtDb022268 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MFYGaB027456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:36:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFCqmL044926; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:12:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFCkYM044792 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:12:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 132.204.117.99 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:11:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.204.117.99] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792900@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:11:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 15:12:00.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBCFE620:01C518F0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) > >Why not? I'm just not fanatic enough about re-enactment :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:38:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MFc2Bk022273 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MFbMZj027943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFa9kZ061737; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFZYBd061104 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bec8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.200]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E95082628C0 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:35:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c518f4$2b3ef400$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net><001b01c51859$82900640$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <421B4CA1.50501@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket itis in?Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:35:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi again, Yes definately i forgot to mention this also, longer yes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket itis in?Opinions? > Thank you Bjarne. This is not a historic jacket, so what you were taught > should apply. Now I understand the pleat thing, but would even the lining > sleeves be bigger? I would think then the fashion material would take the > stress, you see what I mean? > > Thanks so much! > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Dear Saragrace. >> When i studyed and was teached by a tailor (we made jackets and coats) we >> was taught to make the linning bigger. This way it will hold longer than >> if the linning was smaller. But this is a modern way to do it. Most >> linnings back in time was smaller. Especially the back of a jacket or >> coat linning should have a large pleat to ease movement. >> >> Bjarne >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 10:49:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MFn8uR022361 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:49:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MFFfZj025329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFFeds046625; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MFFc3r046593 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D3blC-0003U3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:15:38 -0800 Message-ID: <421B4CA1.50501@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:15:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in?Opinions? References: <4213F656.60600@earthlink.net> <001b01c51859$82900640$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001b01c51859$82900640$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Bjarne. This is not a historic jacket, so what you were taught should apply. Now I understand the pleat thing, but would even the lining sleeves be bigger? I would think then the fashion material would take the stress, you see what I mean? Thanks so much! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Saragrace. > When i studyed and was teached by a tailor (we made jackets and coats) > we was taught to make the linning bigger. This way it will hold longer > than if the linning was smaller. But this is a modern way to do it. > Most linnings back in time was smaller. Especially the back of a > jacket or coat linning should have a large pleat to ease movement. > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 12:40:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MHeNL5023344 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MHdIZj012477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHbgKQ062722; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:37:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MHbSqx062472 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBBY5PRAXNN3GJ for (sender ); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjtqxq18ctvC+Ss1GECdkKI= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLF9ATJ9; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:35:59 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:04:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Message-ID: <20050222.093506.2240.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3624230911 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with time. It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any suggestions as to how I might clean it? Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 12:40:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MHeOIo023348 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:40:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MHdeZj012519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:39:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHbn1P062830; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:38:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MHbS1b062469 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBBY5PRAXVUGAS for (sender ); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjtqxq18ctvCVwMlSMrV2Hw= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLF9ATJ6; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:35:59 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:02:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers Message-ID: <20050222.093506.2240.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:3:4189367645 X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does it work on carpets? Arlys On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:18 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" writes: > I got a very nice de-piller from Greenberg and Hammer. It comes with > an electric cord for those big jobs. > Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 12:47:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MHl6mK023416 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:47:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MHkZZj013309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:46:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHjqWw069720; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:46:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHgCeG066770 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D3e31-00044i-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:42:11 -0800 Message-ID: <421B6EFA.3030409@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:42:18 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A lining smaller than the tailored jacket it is in?Opinions? References: <022220051524.4347.421B4E9000087964000010FB22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <022220051524.4347.421B4E9000087964000010FB22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks guys! Good logic here I guess. Drats, I have to make two patterns now....booooo. :) Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: >Since you've mentioned that the jacket itself appears to have a good infrastructure of the inter-lining, that the actual fashion fabric shell is supported by that? Thus the outer shell is not reliant on the lining for any kind of support? > >Just my guess on the matter.... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:00:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MI0QBg023514 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MHxGZj014994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHwB4C080004; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MHfjaB066393 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICB00AH6QHKJK@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.30]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:41:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:41:44 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1a399a1a29c3.1a29c31a399a@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have seen fabric with the 'frame in a frame' and/or BIG pink/yellow daisy print - can't remember the era of THAT style - but no Cubist art... Let me look into my quilting links and I'll post them later. Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Rognstad > Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist art, like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a dress out of such for a character in a play. > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MI5p9K023573 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:05:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MI5GZj015887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MI3was085545; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:04:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41825.mail.yahoo.com (web41825.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MHjKAI069167 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25737 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2005 17:45:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yTnOlA4H8ffaZ9yOhAv/yb+q67g5OWnm6Y1rt9BRUz7H2EIECJuvkp9Zzv6mtXu8E+2ywho2wxHy4ZZA6+yG63u3JMeQPnIB9iJjFPuA9h+vU+78+iCmuLMnUlGB88vq+l1q74+nMC3kj2m5ArO/oGU5OyLe70TCWIfqQE4KD2s= ; Message-ID: <20050222174514.25735.qmail@web41825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:45:14 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tapestries..how about theses... Your Welcome! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050216180039.64460.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your Welcome Julian. I missed the first 2 in the series, one's a rather Bloody brain bashing scene and one of a tender romance vinette, found this company to be really nice about answering questions and such. Hope things workout for you, Melody Watts --- julian wilson wrote: > Thanks to Melody Watts - for the "renstore" e-addy - > the printed "throw/wall-hanging" copies of the > Manesse Codex illustrations are exactly the size, > and type of wall-hanging I have been looking for. > It's a pity they are only listing 3 at the moment, > and are out-of-stock of 2 of them at this time. > But if the Store are going to do a number of the > Codex illustration in this "Tapestry Series", I > think our Companie will be buying examples of every > one they offer, - for a while, at least. > > > > > Yours in service, > Julian Wilson, > [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, > Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis > pacem, para bellum"] > late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master > Artisan to > "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", > [the only medieval living-history Group > in "olde" Jersey] > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:17:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MIHqFv023670 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:17:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MIGfZj017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:16:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIGYko096140; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MIGVRH096098 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 30453 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2005 18:25:28 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:25:28 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:16:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1049.24.4.69.40.1109096191.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20050222.093506.2240.1.Cley@juno.com> References: <20050222.093506.2240.1.Cley@juno.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:16:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with time. > It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any > suggestions as to how I might clean it? If your satin is made of acetate, I belive that it is irreversible. There was a discussion a while back on this list about acetate fabrics and discoloration if you want to check the archives. You might be able to check with your local drycleaner for answers as well. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:24:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MIOAGo023730 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:24:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MINBZj018058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIN7We001633; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIN5wE001602 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICB00F9PSEHIO@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.30]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:23:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:23:05 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1a6bba1a03d4.1a03d41a6bba@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hhmmm - IIRC there was a web site that let you set the size / gague? of the squares and print it out - I'll try to track it down if you like.. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin > > Is there such a thing available for sale in the US as graph > > paper marked in imperial / inches? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:28:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MISLXV023785 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MIQwZj018418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:26:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIQrdk004646; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIPAOw003304 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICB00AYPSHXCG@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.30]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:25:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:25:09 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: d'oh! Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper To: Historical Costume Message-id: <1a6b9a1a13b3.1a13b31a6b9a@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got hit upside the head by my brain - Can you use gigham fabric? I think the squares come in all sorts of sizes - in fact I think I saw one with 1" squares. Just lay the fabric under/ over your project and - VIOLA! instant chart.. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin > > Is there such a thing available for sale in the US as graph > > paper marked in imperial / inches? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:33:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MIXFlr023834 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:33:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MITcZj018691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MITYQL006754; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIQSEb004248 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.78]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050222182622.BKDR1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1a399a1a29c3.1a29c31a399a@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:13:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sylvia Rognstad > > Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist art, like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a dress out of such for a character in a play. > > > > Sylrog Have you checked your local Ikea store? Their fabric section usually has scads of geometric/abstract types of print fabrics (usually cotton). They have some for show-and-tell on their website, but the stores have a big variety. Most seem to be more of the Matisse variety... ikea.com Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 13:59:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MIxA72024006 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MIwIZj021642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIwB7d028970; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:58:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MIw9UG028948 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.181] (p21.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.181]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1MItn714123 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <1a399a1a29c3.1a29c31a399a@optonline.net> <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:05:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist >>> art, > like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a dress > out > of such for a character in a play. >>> >>> Sylrog > > > Have you checked your local Ikea store? Their fabric section usually > has > scads of geometric/abstract types of print fabrics (usually cotton). > They > have some for show-and-tell on their website, but the stores have a big > variety. Most seem to be more of the Matisse variety... > > ikea.com > > Sheridan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 14:19:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MJJ7NQ024164 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:19:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MJHwZj023730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MJHsbC044596; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MJHpCZ044106 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j1MJHEx27547.; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:17:14 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:17:14 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:17:05 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Come to think of it, wasn't Cezanne an Impressionist rather than a Cubist? The website seems to say so. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> sylvia@ntw.net 22/02/2005 19:05:13 >>> We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ >> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist >>> art, > like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a dress > out > of such for a character in a play. >>> _____________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 15:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MK2Ik5024569 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:02:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MK15Zj027939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MK0pW4077878; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MK0lpU077807 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.175] (p15.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.175]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1MJwR718496 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:58:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DE2798C-850D-11D9-B1E3-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:07:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You're probably right. I think I am confusing Cezanne with someone else whose name escapes me now. In any event, it is the Cezanne still lifes that I am looking for. On Feb 22, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Come to think of it, wasn't Cezanne an Impressionist rather than a > Cubist? The website seems to say so. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > >>>> sylvia@ntw.net 22/02/2005 19:05:13 >>> > We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. > > There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what > > I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at > http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ > >>> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist > >>>> art, >> like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a > dress >> out >> of such for a character in a play. >>>> > _____________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 15:03:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MK34Gc024590 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:03:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MK2YZj028090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MK2XeF079292; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MK2Shj079239 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.175] (p15.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.175]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1MK08718651 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:00:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:09:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, Cezanne is considered to be a cubist. Go to: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/cubism.html On Feb 22, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Come to think of it, wasn't Cezanne an Impressionist rather than a > Cubist? The website seems to say so. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > >>>> sylvia@ntw.net 22/02/2005 19:05:13 >>> > We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. > > There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what > > I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at > http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ > >>> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist > >>>> art, >> like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a > dress >> out >> of such for a character in a play. >>>> > _____________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 15:16:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MKGleC024751 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MKG7Zj029199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MKFww2090212; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MKFi7x089961 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27037 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:28:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:28:12 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, M TURNAGE wrote: > Hi all! I'm new to the list and am interested in any help you all > could give me to make a Burgundian gown. > > All I'm able to find are paintings and illuminations. Does someone > have a good reference(s) that I could be directed to that would give > me information on construction? And, since I'm not very good at > constructing patterns, are there any patterns that would be > historially correct or could be altered? Well, personally I'm one of those who works from paintings and illuminations, so I can't speak from experience regarding any particular patterns. There is a great deal of disagreement about the construction of these dresses, and I frankly would expect that anything you find in actual "pattern" form will be modernized and not supportable as a period construction. But that's me ;-) I have posted here before with various thoughts about the development of the V-necked overdress style, and can provide links for you if you want to read those threads. However, as a construction guide, I know quite a few people have found Marie Vibbert's handout helpful (she is Lyonnete de Vibert or something like that in the SCA), and it may provide a good starting point for you: http://cleftlands.cwru.edu/pics/burgundian.asp The information is in a .pdf handout linked from this page. As a disclaimer, I should note that I taught Marie how to make the fitted underdress she uses in these outfits, and also introduced her to my own thoeries about the development and construction of V-necked gowns, which in turn informed her work. People who have heard me discuss this topic will thus recognize some of the underlying concepts in those sections of her handout. However, I have done no work at all on such areas as accessories or headgear, in which Marie has done a great deal of useful research and probably knows a lot more than I do. The one single piece of advice I can offer you in making a V-necked gowns is this: Do not cut the fabric on a slant (on the bias) to create a V-shaped neckline. You will be oh so sorry. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:12:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLCdXf025638 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLBTZj004570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLAS2n032196; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ML82T6030229 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:08:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022221075601300qcgloe>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c51922$98814bc0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222103415.73636.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com><013801c518cf$6819def0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <000801c518e6$05f9aa40$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:08:01 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO YEA!!!!!!!! It worked!!!! Thank you so much Kate! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:23:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLNegW025901 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:23:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLMbZj005747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:22:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLLx2S041820; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLBogU033256 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022221114401400hn1i3e>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:11:45 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c51923$209bd340$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222131339.72484.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:11:50 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tania, I tried the symbols last night and couldn't find it. I have used the symbol shortcuts for French and Spanish accents. But could find the British pound symbol. Thank you so much for trying! Makes me wonder what I am going to do when I work on my 1950s Russian fashion catalog. It looks like Greek to me... but it is Russian! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:26:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLQNQQ025970 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:26:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLPXZj006119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:25:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLPWWC045050; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:25:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLP48f044599 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050222212458014002vb6ve>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:24:59 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c51924$f9f66a00$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050220043433.8AE18A541FB@bilbo.suffolk.lib.ny.us><001601c5186e$89de17b0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <023001c518de$684e5ea0$715183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] refinishing a parasol Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:25:04 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathleen, Interesting idea to do rubbings!!! I passed your message about painting the handle to my interns who is refinishing my parasol. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:27:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLRgU7025998 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:27:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLQxZj006274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLQwXn046175; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLQRii045739 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200502222126220140030seve>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: <004901c51925$2b9ef810$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222131339.72484.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> <002a01c51923$209bd340$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:26:28 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Tania, Correction: I couldn't find the British pound in the symbols. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:40:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLeYjT026333 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLdiZj007434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLddhg056183; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLdaDM056120 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j1MLdXYH017750 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001a01c51926$ff67ede0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222103415.73636.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> <013801c518cf$6819def0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <000801c518e6$05f9aa40$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <002601c51922$98814bc0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:39:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are quite welcome. And, no, the British pound symbol is not included in the "Symbol" font. Good luck with the Russian stuff! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb Question > YEA!!!!!!!! It worked!!!! Thank you so much Kate! > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, > www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:49:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLnbCn026535 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:49:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLmjZj008467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLmgrs063236; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1MLmcIT063120 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO g5e4d0) (nicolaa@rogers.com@24.43.236.144 with login) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2005 21:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <00b001c51928$4341a910$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c515e9$0938ae40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paging folks in the Toronto area Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:48:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings-- > Its looking like we are going to have to make a trip to Toronto for > supplies, any recommendations as to where to go? We will also be needing > sequins, pailettes, jewels etc > so what would be ideal is somewhere that caters to costuming/dance. I know > there are quite a few places on Queen, any recommendations? > > We are on a fairly tight budget, many of the girls are students and we are > paying for our own costumes. I keep a web page of Toronto fabric stores geared towards the SCA audience: http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/fabric.html Of these stores, Affordable Textiles on Queen has the best selection of dance-type fabrics I know of. I believe they get a lot of business from constructors of mas costumes for Caribana, so they often have some really neat stuff in there. For trimmings, try Designer Fabric Outlet. They have some neat beaded-type trims. There are also a couple of bead stores on the south side of Queen (close to Affordable Textiles) that might be nice. You should also take a look at the Gerrard India Bazaar. Since you're doing Middle Eastern, you might find some nice appropriate fabrics there--all kinds of silks (and not all expensive), cottons, jewelry, and trimmings. Directions to all these places are on the website.....or just drop me a line. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 16:54:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MLsDYp026619 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLquZj008906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLqpQA066431; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLqNHO066100 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065DE404C1 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id BC9C53994; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:52:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.72] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCG6mWAAjtzQEAAAAB,6ad3e25d52a8423de3ea7f917fdb8421 Message-Id: <20050222215222.BC9C53994@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Check out home dec fabrics. Seems like I have seen that sort of thing at JoAnn's. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:07:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources You're probably right. I think I am confusing Cezanne with someone else whose name escapes me now. In any event, it is the Cezanne still lifes that I am looking for. On Feb 22, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Come to think of it, wasn't Cezanne an Impressionist rather than a > Cubist? The website seems to say so. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > >>>> sylvia@ntw.net 22/02/2005 19:05:13 >>> > We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. > > There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what > > I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at > http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ > >>> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist > >>>> art, >> like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a > dress >> out >> of such for a character in a play. >>>> > _____________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 17:01:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MM1ATb026790 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MM0MZj009695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MM0MRm072493; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MM0Ja4072460 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.22] (p06.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.22]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1MLvx728037 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:57:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20050222215222.BC9C53994@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20050222215222.BC9C53994@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2127F99B-851E-11D9-B1E3-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:07:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, but I work at jo-anns and they're not there. On Feb 22, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Lalah wrote: > Check out home dec fabrics. Seems like I have seen that sort of thing > at JoAnn's. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > > --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > From: Sylvia Rognstad > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:07:50 -0700 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources > > You're probably right. I think I am confusing Cezanne with someone > else whose name escapes me now. In any event, it is the Cezanne still > lifes that I am looking for. > > On Feb 22, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> Come to think of it, wasn't Cezanne an Impressionist rather than a >> Cubist? The website seems to say so. >> >> Kate Bunting >> Library, University of Derby >> >>>>> sylvia@ntw.net 22/02/2005 19:05:13 >>> >> We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. >> >> There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what >> >> I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at >> http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ >> >>>> From: Sylvia Rognstad >>>>> Does anyone know where to find fabrics that are printed with Cubist >> >>>>> art, >>> like that of Picasso, Matisse or Cezanne? I'm looking to make a >> dress >>> out >>> of such for a character in a play. >>>>> >> _____________ >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/emreg > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 17:52:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MMqgYA027619 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MLu5Zj009371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLtwWP069063; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1MLtsL4068914 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so2568439wra for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Rfz4cu7/SwbXh82EPs04Zd2nCcRr3aJ9ff6cHYRYPTU5tflxDmOl6mlrOGebjm2M9F272e9wGfdEsj4rkFHFRMCat06H7D67k8oQnmbLuzBLoqpsfqs0HPw0R2OO4goh8yftbxgZTRHBQq7UqZ0gFWwzKHjhLfR82k0GY3+O0gw= Received: by 10.54.37.57 with SMTP id k57mr72463wrk; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05022213551815610f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:55:48 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Synthetic vs natural breathability....related to the tailored ja... In-Reply-To: <1f5.54cda56.2f4bb020@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1f5.54cda56.2f4bb020@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO when gortex was brand new i was working for a small, high-quality backpacking company in Berkeley. we had a demo of gortex where they stretched gortex tightly over a pyrex beaker in a tray. first they poured water onto the gortex, and it wouldn't go through. they boiled the water in the beaker and the steam escaped through the gortex. they reversed the fabric and the water did pour through but the steam didn't escape (this part they did quickly because they didn't want an explosion). it sure convinced me! i agree with what you said about using cotton for the body lining. and yet, how hard would it be to periodically reline just the sleeves if the china silk tore? it shouldn't be very hard, only about a yard of silk necessary and maybe three hours from rip out to sew in. this assumes that you have the same mileage i've had with china silk. i love my Elizabethan china silk chemises. i've had two chemises and i've worn them through the runs of the 4-5 northern california faires (approx. 11 days each run) plus some weekend long faires) and it's taken 9 years to have to replace them. my caveat is that i've never had a linen chemise to compare to the silk, only cotton ones and i'll take the silk over cotton any day! and frankly, there's nothing to make you feel slinky even in 100 degree heat sweating like a dusty mule than silk. LynnD On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:44:00 EST, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/21/2005 3:34:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: > > This also made me start to > ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but still > breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the nature of > the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky when it gets > moist....so what do you guys think? > > Function of fiber, thread, and fabric structure. If I'm remembering > correctly, Goretex (trade name) is a waterproof film, but it has microscopic holes > for breathability. Some synthetic fibers absorb moisture better than others, > too, and that is what really makes a fabric "breathe"--the ability to absorb > moisture. > > For maximum comfort, you could use a cotton lining for the body, but use > something else slick for the sleeves to make it easier to get on and off. China > silk, while comfortable, probably would not hold up well to a great deal of > wear. > > I'm sure others on the list will have suggestions. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 20:28:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1N1Se7b028927 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:28:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N1RnZj004426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:27:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1RZsU015684; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1RXOS015608 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:27:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.207]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050223012727.WAWI1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c51945$038f7be0$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c515e9$0938ae40$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <00b001c51928$4341a910$90ec2b18@g5e4d0> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paging folks in the Toronto area Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:14:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I wrote: > Greetings-- > > > Its looking like we are going to have to make a trip to Toronto for > > supplies, any recommendations as to where to go? We will also be needing > > sequins, pailettes, jewels etc > > so what would be ideal is somewhere that caters to costuming/dance. I know > > there are quite a few places on Queen, any recommendations? > > > > We are on a fairly tight budget, many of the girls are students and we are > > paying for our own costumes. > Susan wrote: > I keep a web page of Toronto fabric stores geared towards the SCA audience: > > http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/fabric.html > > Of these stores, Affordable Textiles on Queen has the best selection of > dance-type fabrics I know of. I believe they get a lot of business from > constructors of mas costumes for Caribana, so they often have some really > neat stuff in there. For trimmings, try Designer Fabric Outlet. They have > some neat beaded-type trims. There are also a couple of bead stores on the > south side of Queen (close to Affordable Textiles) that might be nice. > > You should also take a look at the Gerrard India Bazaar. Since you're doing > Middle Eastern, you might find some nice appropriate fabrics there--all > kinds of silks (and not all expensive), cottons, jewelry, and trimmings. > > Directions to all these places are on the website.....or just drop me a > line. > > Susan Oooo, thanks! Just the thing I was looking for - especially the Caribana comment. I have been to Little India before - several years before I moved here to Ontario, and I have some lovely dance *and* historical Turkish garb as a result of that (luggage filling, wallet emptying) tour. There was a most amazing restaurant there, my mouth is watering to think of it. :-) This list will help me narrow my search, I can't get to Toronto as often as I would like, so when I do come down the less searching about the better. :-) Thanks again! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 20:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1N1nrrx029129 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:49:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N1n2Zj005820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1mw57026420; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:48:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1mtfi026359 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m206.in-tch.com [216.166.191.206]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j1N1jVR11648 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:45:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <421BE23C.5020200@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:54:04 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to the list References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can we say "bias stretches," boys and girls? --sue, who had the neckline of her first gown slide right off her shoulders, dropping the whole thing to the ground, the first time she tried it on.... Robin Netherton wrote: > The one single piece of advice I can offer you in making a V-necked gowns > is this: Do not cut the fabric on a slant (on the bias) to create a > V-shaped neckline. You will be oh so sorry. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 20:56:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1N1uDT5029177 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N1tYZj006193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1tV8K029764; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N1tTGe029731 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-186.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.186]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N1ti2Z022407 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:55:44 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050222175037.0258b440@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:51:50 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Natural bleaching, was Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on linen In-Reply-To: <006d01c518ed$a735bdc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <4.2.2.20050222062857.00d70af0@pop.surewest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I was surprised to hear this, i had no idea that the grass or the bush had >influence on this. When we bleached old laces at the museum of fine arts >in Copenhagen, they were pinned to boards, sprayed with water and left on >the table to dry. No grass but it worked!!! My mother knits lace out of thread. She uses lemon juice and puts it out in the sunlight to dry. Afterwards, she says, she rinses out the lemon juice, pins it to a board to block, and puts that out in the sunlight to dry. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 21:14:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1N2E6bo029273 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N2DVZj007378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N2DS53039343; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N2DPAg039261 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tonkin.rebecca@saugov.sa.gov.au) Received: from adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N2DJJB019938 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:43:19 +1030 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0728.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N2DIQm019922 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:43:19 +1030 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:43:18 +1030 Message-ID: <032A8573186A2B4EBBAEFA5784D052350667EFD7@sagemsg0007.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> From: "Tonkin, Rebecca (PIRSA-SARDI)" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:38:06 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: british pound symbol (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On my computer (in Australia), the british pound symbol is found in the "Insert", "Symbols" menu, with Font as "normal text" and using sub-set "Latin 1". It is in the middle, 4 rows down, underneath J and f. It is in the same place if your font is Arial or Times New Roman as well. Hope this helps, Rebecca > From: "Penny Ladnier" > > Correction: I couldn't find the British pound in the symbols. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 22 21:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1N2rBmj029592 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:53:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1N2qLZj009404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:52:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N2qARP059822; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f13.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1N2q8To059764 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:52:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.1.188.11 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 02:51:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.1.188.11] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502161338.j1GDc5fk004160@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 02:51:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 02:52:02.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6E0A500:01C51952] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sleeves for fitted gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, all, for the help with fitting sleeves! The sleeves came out OK - not the best, but wearable. My patient daughter is ready for the next attempt - AFTER I've done some trial runs to practice!! Next question: I am now embarking on a Landsknechts outfit, which involves multiple slashes. Any ideas out there for how to finish multiple slashes on sleeves? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 05:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NA36M7022738 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NA1wZj003044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:01:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NA1iWS066228; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NA1fU6066203 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:01:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1N9oBCj029586 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:50:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050223035316.011eff80@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:00:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Question about Tudor gowns In-Reply-To: <000b01c51866$b291d640$9248ccd1@Kass> References: <200502212228.j1LMRwRT065284@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kass, you forgot to mention the fact that out of all the extant ladies' gowns, they are all sewn together at the waist. Also, not all under layers were separate either - Eleanora of Toledo's is sewn together - the only extant lady's skirt that isn't attached to a bodice (pre-1600) that I can think of is the safeguard that had been modified later. You can see pictures of these in Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion: the cut and construction of clothes for men and women 1560-1620" So, Melody I think you are safer to work on the premise that women's clothing was usually sewn together at the waist (in my opinion it is more comfortable to wear that way too). Cheers, Danielle At 05:42 PM 2/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Unfortunately I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer to >your question, Melody, because we simply don't know. T >What I can tell you is that Elizabethan gowns have never been proven to >be separate bodices worn with overskirts as we see at Ren Faires. The >opposite is more likely -- that the bodice and the overskirt were sewn >together as one. >The only things we know were worn as separates are under-bodices and >under-petticotes and even those were most likely pointed (tied) together >for wear. > >Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 05:57:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NAvJ9G023044 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:57:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NAuhZj007188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NAuaOg089373; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NAuWTm089270 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:56:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making Burgundian's - aaaaargh! (WAS:New to the list) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979290F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Making Burgundian's - aaaaargh! (WAS:New to the list) Thread-Index: AcUZSJMhbJkOGB11TXqWQ/ZftNIPDQATRuZg Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The one single piece of advice I can offer you in making a > V-necked gowns is this: Do not cut the fabric on a slant (on > the bias) to create a V-shaped neckline. You will be oh so sorry. Aaaaaaaargh! I *knew* this! Honestly I did! But I didn't *remember* it at the right time for helping a friend cut out and fit her burgundian gown. Something has been niggleing me about the way we did it for *weeks*..... Now I know what it is. She's coming over to work on it tonight and I think we're going to have to work on stabilising the neckline, beofre we go any farther. Thanks for mentioning it, Robin. I could *kick* myself for not rememebring it sooner. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 08:12:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NDCJ3X024012 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:12:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NDBZZj029376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:11:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDBPuU049750; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDB79H049562 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0E24677009C; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:10:58 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 23 Feb 05 13:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c519a9$48dae680$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222.093506.2240.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:12:08 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't tried it for that purpose. There is a lint trap which one must empty from time to time. Just what kind of carpet are you thinking of? Surely there are industrial machines that would be more appropriate for use- say for deep-pyle carpets that you would want to alter the texture... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Fluff removal from cotton drill trousers > Does it work on carpets? > > Arlys > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:48:18 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" > writes: > > I got a very nice de-piller from Greenberg and Hammer. It comes with > > an electric cord for those big jobs. > > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 08:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NDJ9aw024034 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NDIbZj029870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDIYwY053553; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDIUai053490 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A2A08C780036; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:18:24 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 23 Feb 05 13:18:21 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c519aa$52c98380$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050222.093506.2240.1.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:33 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In working with my white gown collection, I have never found a way to deal with this aging. It is the way of the fabric. I have washed 1920s era silk gowns with some good luck, but they remain ivory...but without the grime. Of course, many of these 20th C gowns were off -white to begin with. I have a lovely silk lace three cornered shawl from the 19th C that I have tried the yard-dew method, but to no avail. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin > I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with time. > It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any > suggestions as to how I might clean it? > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 08:53:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NDrVhG024291 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NDqrZj002466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:52:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDqnbM071259; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f57.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDqm2Q071176 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:52:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 12.111.129.245 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:51:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.111.129.245] X-Originating-Email: [ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979290F@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> From: "M TURNAGE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:51:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 13:52:01.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[D99A2910:01C519AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So Teddy, how would you "stablize" the neckline? And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange the pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? Melinda~ ---------------------------- Teddy wrote:> >She's coming over to work on it tonight and I think we're going to have >to work on stabilising the neckline, beofre we go any farther. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 09:00:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NE0FR5026475 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NDxkZj002980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDxhSf075305; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NDxf06075254 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.82.22728324 (4184) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:59:33 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the dress with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced in the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand stitched since that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the overdress is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I messed up not much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have talked to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find pictures to back it up. Any help would be appreciated theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 09:04:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NE4CGx027794 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NE3eZj003210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NE3Yg5077514; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NE3JAv077276 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02232 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:15:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:15:50 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, M TURNAGE wrote: > So Teddy, how would you "stablize" the neckline? > > And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange > the pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the > grain? This depends on the version of the style you're working on; I've found signs of two completely different period constructions (with completely different neckline approaches) depending on whether you're before or after 1470 or so, and then there are different variations in angle/shape within each of those two general approaches. Read the file I sent you; I think it's in there. If you don't find it, and if there's nothing about it in Marie's handout, ask me again. But remember, I can only answer that question from the point of view of someone working with a period construction. If you're using a "pattern piece," I can't help you that much, because it's probably not a shape that would have occurred with a period cut, and so I have no idea whether shifting your piece around will mess up the stretch in some other part of it. What I can assure you of is that the farther you go off the grain, the more stretch you will have to contend with. This is the single most visible and common error I see in V-necked gowns. Assuming you can find a way to keep the gown from flopping off at the shoulders, it still looks wretched. If you feel it's necessary to use a pattern, perhaps someone else can point you to a workable one, or tell you about modifying a modern pattern so that it will produce the visual look you want. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 09:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NEAgiT030023 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NEAAZj003557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEA5KP081247; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEA2nq081215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1NE2iov012168 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:02:44 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421C8EB8.90707@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:10:00 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO M TURNAGE wrote: > And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange the > pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? I did mine on the selvege. I was working from the St. Eligius picture, and you can tell which way the grain is going due to the figuring in the fabric. With cartridge-pleated raglan sleeves, imo, and the opening goes below the belt. Image: http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1449_elegius.jpg -- sorry, couldn't find the larger version. Note that the Elegius version is the *early* burgundian neckline, very close to the neck. Robin has lots of interesting things to say about the spread-out burgundian neckline which came later, with the tighter sleeves and probably a waist seam. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 09:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NELlwf001054 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NEKmZj004158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:20:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEKgwf087273; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f44.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEKeBO087184 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 12.111.129.245 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:19:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.111.129.245] X-Originating-Email: [ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <421C8EB8.90707@thibault.org> From: "M TURNAGE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 14:20:01.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2CB1790:01C519B2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh wow....the image shows the lacing. Since you say it's an earlier piece, was the stomacher later added? Melinda~ >From: Cynthia Virtue >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:10:00 -0500 > >M TURNAGE wrote: > >>And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange the >>pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? > >I did mine on the selvege. I was working from the St. Eligius picture, and >you can tell which way the grain is going due to the figuring in the >fabric. With cartridge-pleated raglan sleeves, imo, and the opening goes >below the belt. > >Image: http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1449_elegius.jpg -- sorry, >couldn't find the larger version. > >Note that the Elegius version is the *early* burgundian neckline, very >close to the neck. Robin has lots of interesting things to say about the >spread-out burgundian neckline which came later, with the tighter sleeves >and probably a waist seam. > >-- >Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > >Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! >http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 09:31:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NEVYUx004436 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:31:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NEUuZj004797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEUq4F093090; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:30:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEUoBW093038 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A3946917009A; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:30:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.107 ([209.131.81.107] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 23 Feb 05 14:30:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c519b4$6dd96aa0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:31:55 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know that it isn't "period", but I had just this problem with a contemporary velvet dress that was cut on the bias...and wouldn't stay on my shoulders (or the hanger) for nothing! I cut a back yoke lining piece and sewed it to the back section of the sleeves, leaving the top and bottom unattached. I no longer have the problem and you cannot see the lined section. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "M TURNAGE" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline > So Teddy, how would you "stablize" the neckline? > > And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange the > pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? > > Melinda~ > ---------------------------- > > Teddy wrote:> > >She's coming over to work on it tonight and I think we're going to have > >to work on stabilising the neckline, beofre we go any farther. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 10:01:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NF1chi013423 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NEkMZj005893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:46:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NEkH8D002564; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1NEk9Tu002394 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:46:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 14:46:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050223143559.014b2828@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:44:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline In-Reply-To: References: <421C8EB8.90707@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:19 23/02/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Oh wow....the image shows the lacing. >Since you say it's an earlier piece, was the stomacher later added? >Melinda~ > Melinda If you can use gridded patterns, Jean Hunnisett has a pattern for a V necked houppelande, which I used for the same dress as Cynthia. As I am fat, I ended up with an 8 yard hem, but no problems with shoulder slip, and I have very poor shoulders. I made an under bodice, sewn into the dress, and laced that over a chemise, as I needed more support than the houppelande gave me. (Someone made me the wonderful hat from that painting too - it had pride of place at the banquet, not me!!) "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" published by Players Press. Don't be put off by the title - Jean based her patterns on paintings and other original sources. There are some theatrical costume patterns, but the houppelande is cut on the straight down the front as Robin suggests, and does not use huge amounts of fabric if you can "top and tail" it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 10:52:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NFqimU023180 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NFpiZj011158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NFpZbE049173; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.0.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NFpVDJ049133 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:50:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792915@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Thread-Index: AcUZt7TF9Vy8TqbGTxGD5nNMtwRwFgABzGAA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So Teddy, how would you "stabilize" the neckline? Interline the neckline edge with a non-stretchy fabric cut on the straight grain. > And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange the > pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? Put simply - Have the centre front and back seam on the straight-grain adn continue them straight up to the shoulder. Leave open the portion that will become the neckline and pull the edges appart to form the V rather than cutting a "V" shape which could stretch out and fall off the shoulders. I knew this, I really did, but it went right out the window when I was helping cut the gown I'll be helping with tonight.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 11:40:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NGeBS6005644 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NGc1Zj015730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NGbqJn088601; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1NGbojS088483 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBB3NKQAQ3FYF2 for (sender ); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnr7PmnVH2X43it23xu5Dn0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLJQAK4H; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:36:29 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:35:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Message-ID: <20050223.083531.3420.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6-11,13-51 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3459682972 X-MAIL-INFO: 285831b8bc39f15811bc987cf57518319c7cdd1825d81118dc985c48e548f8684dc85948f10df1619169014d1c91ac591d4d0dacf925e8aceccc5dd585d5e96521e508d56da56d78452d28218d454908a921a54975f8988898c871c1c87168917168917539ed059d5828c528bcddd9ad9528d859cc55e555d5197dd51945081945 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe I should dye it. Any suggestions? I'ld like to give it to my granddaughters. My mother made it for me and it's a bit of a family heirloom. the veil and cap have yellowed too. :( The veil is another one of those 'tons of pearls' types. Thank you for your help. Arlys On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:33 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" writes: > In working with my white gown collection, I have never found a way to > deal > with this aging. It is the way of the fabric. I have washed 1920s > era silk > gowns with some good luck, but they remain ivory...but without the > grime. > Of course, many of these 20th C gowns were off -white to begin with. > I have > a lovely silk lace three cornered shawl from the 19th C that I have > tried > the yard-dew method, but to no avail. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin > > > > I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with > time. > > It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any > > suggestions as to how I might clean it? > > > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 11:59:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NGxG8a008709 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:59:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NGw9Zj018419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NGvxCu006453; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f40.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NGvvhN006338 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:57:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_4557@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:56:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.19.213.164 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:55:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.19.213.164] X-Originating-Email: [elena_4557@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elena_4557@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792915@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh Atha An Ri" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:55:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2005 16:56:00.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D592370:01C519C8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Teddy! When I used to make tailored suit jackets, I would also invisibly stitch a strip of twill tape along the foldline of the lapel, from the center front (beginning of fold) around the neck (at the seam where the collar meets the back) and back down to the center front. This would further support the off-grain fold. Don't know if this is period, but might it be worth a try, too? Elena >From: Teddy >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:50:47 +0000 > > > > So Teddy, how would you "stabilize" the neckline? > >Interline the neckline edge with a non-stretchy fabric cut on the >straight grain. > > > And Robin, how would you suggest that the neckline be cut? Arrange >the > > pattern piece so the cut will not be on the bias, but with the grain? > >Put simply - Have the centre front and back seam on the straight-grain >adn continue them straight up to the shoulder. Leave open the portion >that will become the neckline and pull the edges appart to form the V >rather than cutting a "V" shape which could stretch out and fall off the >shoulders. > >I knew this, I really did, but it went right out the window when I was >helping cut the gown I'll be helping with tonight.... > >Teddy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Elena O'Tighearnaigh A'tha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares Gia Gavino _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 12:04:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NH4L2c009622 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:04:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NH3EZj018919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NH3A4g011547; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NH32Cr011347 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:03:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.192]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050223170257.MBVG1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c519c7$90b08140$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050223.083531.3420.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:48:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The yellowing of fabric I didn't think could be stopped, its the acids in the fibres themselves. Just as with old newspapers, the yellowing occurs with the acids breaking down the item itself. (Which is why acid-free paper is so very important to artists) Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin > Maybe I should dye it. Any suggestions? > > I'ld like to give it to my granddaughters. My mother made it for me and > it's a bit of a family heirloom. > > the veil and cap have yellowed too. :( The veil is another one of those > 'tons of pearls' types. > > Thank you for your help. > > Arlys > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:33 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" > writes: > > In working with my white gown collection, I have never found a way to > > deal > > with this aging. It is the way of the fabric. I have washed 1920s > > era silk > > gowns with some good luck, but they remain ivory...but without the > > grime. > > Of course, many of these 20th C gowns were off -white to begin with. > > I have > > a lovely silk lace three cornered shawl from the 19th C that I have > > tried > > the yard-dew method, but to no avail. > > > > Kathleen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin > > > > > > > I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with > > time. > > > It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any > > > suggestions as to how I might clean it? > > > > > > Arlys > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 13:29:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NITdKE002052 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:29:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NISXZj029199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:28:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NISHSZ089136; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NISDMC089034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1NIKsov015216 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:20:54 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:20:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421CCB3B.3050506@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:28:11 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO M TURNAGE wrote: > Oh wow....the image shows the lacing. > Since you say it's an earlier piece, was the stomacher later added? Er, you mean the fabric under the V? That's either the undergown (remember that many of us think houppelandes were basically *coats* and folks were fully dressed underneath) or else, as Robin has in one of her lectures, a panel pinned to the undergown. And then a shift under that. The lady also has a sheer drape around her neck. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 13:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NIkLBr006164 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:46:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NIeEZj000557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NIeBYF099694; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NIe8Ca099579 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc15.attbi.com[204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022318400201300qgne6e>; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:40:02 +0000 Received: from [12.148.41.5] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:39:59 +0000 From: eirenetz@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:39:59 +0000 Message-Id: <022320051839.11238.421CCDFF000A051400002BE62205886172969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWlyZW5ldHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Keeping the neckline at the back pretty narrow will help, too. I made a gown - v-neck using the selvedge - that I thought was going have a stable neckline, but I cut the neckline in the back just a smidge too big. It's not too bad once I get the belt on, but it's wool, and it tends to cling to the wool or linen kirtle under it. That might be one of the "secrets". On my next attempt, I plan to intentionally cut the back neckline too small and then baste the fronts to the back, in order that I can get a better fit. Melanie -------------- Original message -------------- > > Put simply - Have the centre front and back seam on the straight-grain > adn continue them straight up to the shoulder. Leave open the portion > that will become the neckline and pull the edges appart to form the V > rather than cutting a "V" shape which could stretch out and fall off the > shoulders. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 15:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NK7nKs026954 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NK4mZj009121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NK4Vc0079705; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NK1Uen076984 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:01:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA1436E48 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:01:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p212.socket.net [64.85.216.214]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 807A7C609 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:01:28 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:01:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000f01c518d0$47b62230$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear through or the man was being a down right A-H. De -----Original Message----- Hi, I just thoaght about a true story about teddy bears, i dont know if i ever told you, but here it comes again. Sorry if i posted it before. A gay coupple always carried a teddy bear arround to things, when visiting friends and going to the movies two. The teddy was always dressed very well. One time they had it with them when travelling by airplane to their holliday place. When they returned, the Costume man stopped them and was very susspicious about the teddy, so he took a knife and tared it apart to see if they had smuggled anything in it. Can you imagine how sad this was to them? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > >> Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) > > Why not? > > I know somebody whose teddy-bear has his own credit card. > > It was, apparently, surprisingly easy to get.... > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 15:16:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NKGr6d027988 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NKDIZj009927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NKDFBd086916; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail7.mdx.safepages.com (mail7.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NK9M9N083736 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id D524B1BC9CF; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust163.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.163]) by mail7.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BDCE11BCA82 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:09:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <022701c519e3$ade6c5a0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] sleeves for fitted gown Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:10:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waack" > Next question: > > I am now embarking on a Landsknechts outfit, which involves multiple > slashes. Any ideas out there for how to finish multiple slashes on > sleeves? What materials will you be using? Some materials don't need to be finished at all, especially when the slashes are cut on the bias, and the consensus among researchers seems to be that a lot of those slashes weren't finished--at most, they would have been treated with something like gum arabic (medieval fray-check). If your material or your personal taste dictates that the slashes must be finished, you can cut your sleeve such that the 'slashes' are actually spaces between narrow strips of finished fabric that run vertically down the arm, and the unslashed portion of the sleeve are strips of fabric that run horizontally around the arm, with the vertical strips sewn to the horizontal ones on the back. Pickier, more time consuming options are overcast/buttonhole/blanket stitch along the slashed edge or binding the edges with something like silk ribbon. Another option, which is probably a lot more time consuming than it's worth (as well as really hard to describe in text) is to line the sleeve, and slash through both layers. On each slash, you can finger press teeny tiny folded-in seam allowances into existence (narrowing into nonexistence at the beginning and end of the slash) then invisibly stitch the outer and inner fabrics together on each side of the slash. This looks really great when done, and when worn you can't tell that the slashed areas curve out a bit on each edge. But oy, it's a lot of work! =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 15:52:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NKqnrl002789 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:52:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NKpsZj013909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NKmpe1017411; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NKlElj016204 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:47:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D43PZ-000OMb-6w for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:47:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:45:48 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Documentation for chemise and laced bodice? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, My computer is still playing up with the mail. I'm replying to the lady who was looking for images to add to her documentation for an outfit around 1200, England. I read it earlier but now the computer has swallowed it back again. The outfit was described as a chemise with a laced bodice and pleated skirt. I think what you have created is a version of what is often called a bliaut. The best-known images are from the Royal Portal of Chartres Cathedral. I found these, not very clear pictures, but with more time to search you can probably find better. http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/chartreswest/jambs.html I should point out that there is great debate about how this garment was actually constructed, and whether it was called a "bliaut". If it is indeed a fitted bodice and separately made skirt, then these elements seem to have appeared suddenly in the mid-12th century, and then just as suddenly disappeared until the 15th-16th century. There are various other theories, some of which are based on the idea that it is a much more ordinary dress than it looks, and the sculpture is just the result of a very extreme artistic style - like the "wet tunic" look popular in manuscript illustration of the time. Just to warn you that you may be expected to justify why you chose your method of construction to recreate this look. Any chance of piccies of your dress? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 16:08:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NL8ECa009790 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NL7MZj015783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:07:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NL7BBZ034134; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NL78xA034016 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:07:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695E73196DE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:07:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421CF07A.1050601@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:07:06 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline References: <421C8EB8.90707@thibault.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20050223143559.014b2828@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050223143559.014b2828@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A friend and I made a pattern for a houppelande/Bourgondian. We used pattern of the Herjolfsnes male coat (#63) bought at a museum. http://www.gelfling.dds.nl/index.html And here http://www.deredere.dds.nl/15thcent/15woman/15thDress.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 16:25:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NLP92n013767 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:25:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NLO1Zj017403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NLNuZw048607; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NLNQ9L048063 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AD8319602 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:23:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421CF44C.8060609@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:23:24 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ieeeek! That would make me verry unhappy! I have a stuffed hair that I absolutely love! And ofcourse my backpak Bunny and several other stuffed animals that roam the house. :-) It would feel to me like killing a real animal. > >-----Original Message----- > >Hi, >I just thoaght about a true story about teddy bears, i dont know if i ever >told you, but here it comes again. Sorry if i posted it before. >A gay coupple always carried a teddy bear arround to things, when visiting >friends and going to the movies two. The teddy was always dressed very well. >One time they had it with them when travelling by airplane to their holliday >place. >When they returned, the Costume man stopped them and was very susspicious >about the teddy, so he took a knife and tared it apart to see if they had >smuggled anything in it. >Can you imagine how sad this was to them? > > >Bjarne > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Teddy" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:40 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > > > > >>> Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) >>> >>> >>Why not? >> >>I know somebody whose teddy-bear has his own credit card. >> >>It was, apparently, surprisingly easy to get.... >> >>Teddy >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 16:57:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1NLvOqQ013962 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1NLuYZj020703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NLuS3g074780; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NLuO7u074540 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.10]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050223215614.OMMA1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:56:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c519f0$7e124860$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Fw: [h-cost] documentation for chemise and overdress Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, the ethernet elves ate this letter, so here it is again; sorry if this posts twice. Sheridan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the > dress > > with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced > in > > the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand stitched > since > > that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the > overdress > > is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of > > course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I > messed up not > > much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have > talked > > to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find > pictures to > > back it up. > > > > Any help would be appreciated > > theresa > > Hello! > > Try this website: > > http://www.wga.hu/index1.html > > Use the quick search bar at the bottom of the page and click on the time > frame list and pick the range of years you want. From the sounds of what you > have described though, the 1200's don't match your outfit. That century > tended towards flowing T-tunic like garments. > > Heres a couple of examples: > http://www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/09e_1200.jpg > http://www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/13g_1200.jpg > > If your gown is a bodice with a skirt pleated into it, you would be wanting > to look at the Renaissance period from a variety of countries: (look from > 1450 to 1550 on the list) > http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/7portrai/03youngw.jpg (Sandro Botticelli > 1475) > http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/7portrai/09youngw.jpg (Sandro Botticelli > 1480) There is some *great* hair going on in this one. :-) > http://www.wga.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.jpg (Cranach the Elder > 1517) > > These are just a couple of examples of front opening gowns, if you search > the website you will doubtless come across more, and find more work for > yourself in the process, there are some wonderful portraits out there... > > To save yourself time and trouble with A&S, you might want to do your > documentation before you start your project, although I haven't quite > figured that one out myself as of yet. ;-) > > I hope this helps. > > Sheridan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 23 22:56:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1O3ubKk015820 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:56:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1O3tGZj018120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1O3t2lm002620; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:55:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1O3qkuU001415 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.155.4aff51b4 (4184) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <155.4aff51b4.2f4ea984@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:52:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Documentation for chemise and laced bodice? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes as soon as I finish it I intend to take pictures. It is nothing as fine as what I have seen on the list so please remember it is a first attempt. Also it is totally hand sewn. I hope to have it finished to wear for Gulf Wars in Mississippi (SCA Event). Just hope the weather gives me a day that is not to terribly cold. My friends laugh because I keep telling them anything below 70* is too blame cold. Thanks for the site and the information. sincerely theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 05:35:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1OAZN4H012750 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:35:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1OAYOZj005747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OAY8wl022305; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.254.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OAXZAe022103 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Teddy@mdx.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:33:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F401979291D@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline Thread-Index: AcUZ22nsn+Pio5giSlWAOgkAZ2OxgwAgKSJA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-INTERNAL-IP: 10.13.82.20 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi Teddy! When I used to make tailored suit jackets, I would also invisibly > stitch a strip of twill tape along the foldline of the lapel, from the > center front (beginning of fold) around the neck (at the seam where the > collar meets the back) and back down to the center front. This would > further support the off-grain fold. > > Don't know if this is period, but might it be worth a try, too? Thanks for the tip! I have a bit of a reprieve to figure out what I'm goign to do sicne my friend was too ill to come over and sew last ngiht. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 14:36:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1OJa75o020949 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:36:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1OJYbZj027489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OJYBvr030426; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f22.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OJY6uQ030283 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms_lindy39@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:34:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.25.56.244 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:33:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.25.56.244] X-Originating-Email: [ms_lindy39@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ms_lindy39@hotmail.com From: "N n" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:33:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2005 19:34:00.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA533B00:01C51AA7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am new to this list and would like to ask a question about Simplicity Pattern #5724 from Martha McCains Fashion Historian. I am making this dress to wear for my wedding and it is in White Bridal Satin as I coulnd't find Taffetta in the right thickness. Anyway my question is this if I a making or buying the corset should I make it in white? I can get one premade in my size that is natural off white Would this show through the bridal satin? If not I will get it. If it will I will have her make one in white. What do you think? I would be happy for any help as this is the first time in me working with this material so I am not sure if off white will show through or not. Thank you Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 14:40:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1OJePAU020967 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:40:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1OJddZj027869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:39:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OJdall035078; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:39:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OJZwbi031790 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kcg@sprynet.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4OmE-0005Mv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:35:58 -0500 Message-ID: <8149485.1109273758219.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:35:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Katherine To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Queen Alexandra, Edward VII's wife, is probably who you're thinking of. She had rhuematic fever in the late 1860s and walked with a limp for the rest of her life. It was even known as the Alexandra Limp. It's a little later than what you thought, so I hope it's helpful! Katherine -back into lurkdom... >From: Wicked Frau >Subject: [h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen , an > Emporer with a lisp? >Hi all, I know this is a little ot, but.....I was reading an article >online the other day which I can no longer find. It was in regard to a >queen (or personage of some rank) whose name was Anne or Ann who had a >limp which was imitated in her court. (Much like the imitation of >Charles V who had a speech impediment ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 17:30:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1OMUrCZ022331 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:30:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1OMTiZj018108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OMT1Vh074870; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:29:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-09.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1OMSfbL074619 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 2686 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 22:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.108) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 22:28:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:34:40 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been watching the excellent English movie "The Slipper and The Rose" and wondered whether anyone here had viewed it and looked at the men's breeches. I'm curious about whether they had the "baggy" bottom or not. I'm copying one of the outfits for my husband and am using a 1730-40s frock coat pattern from Norah Waugh's book that has a great "skirt" to it. I am keen to make a set of silk breeches that are slim fitting but not too baggy - from the 1730s-1740s. My husband is slim and the baggy breeches look too baggy on him. Also, does anyone know if I can get a copy of this movie? This one belongs to a friend and I have to return it soon. Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 17:41:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1OMf3hT022407 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1OMeOZj020093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OMeGWn084741; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OMeAxu084626 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4ReN-0001mB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:40:03 -0800 Message-ID: <421E57D1.2070401@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:17 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen References: <8149485.1109273758219.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <8149485.1109273758219.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Katherine....I was surprised (but pleased!) to see your reply. I am getting almost no h-cost mail and I never saw my original show up! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a repost, as I never saw it show up....thought I might get a little more feedback if it had not shown up for others! > Hi all, I know this is a little ot, but.....I was reading an article > online the other day which I can no longer find. It was in regard to > a queen (or personage of some rank) whose name was Anne or Ann who had > a limp which was imitated in her court. (Much like the imitation of > Charles V who had a speech impediment ) > > In poking around I came up with at least one possibility which was / > *Anne De Bretagne */duchess of Brittany. I worked back to this from > a reference that said her daughter /*Renée de France the **Duchessa > (duchess) di Ferrara */was at one time considered for marriage to > Henery VIII but was rejected because she had a limp like her mother..... > > > Any clues? > > Thanks! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 18:02:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ON2oWc022550 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ON1qZj022060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ON1kmM003989; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:01:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ON1ghb003874 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:01:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 34231 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2005 23:01:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20050224230137.34229.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:01:37 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawm X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am still working on getting some of this over to Canada, I had to clear other things from my plate to do it though. I have 7 people interested in splitting this, so I think it's worthy. Carolyn, Sheridan and Mari, you are included in that number. :-) For the amount people want, it may very well end up being more than one bolt. Depending on how much is on a bolt, I might just plainly order one just for myself. I have visions of a chemise swathed in gossamer drawn thread lacework. :-) Julian, I have some fundamental questions for you - what are the hours of the store so that I might call when they are open? There is a 5 hour time delay between us so I have to actually plan a time to call. Also, is Jersey considered England? I can't seem to figure out what the country code would be for the island. The phone number you listed, 1534 - 720331, doesn't match any country codes I can find, so I assume that area code means the same to you as it does here. Thanks, Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 18:53:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1ONrb6j022858 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:53:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1ONqpZj028633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ONqfI9047967; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail3.cwo.com [209.210.78.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ONqdiA047935 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roses@cwo.com) Received: from webmail.cwo.com (web3.cwo.com [209.210.78.47]) by mail.cwo.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1ONqc4N007810 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:52:38 -0800 Received: from 205.225.207.97 (SquirrelMail authenticated user roses); by webmail.cwo.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:52:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47910.205.225.207.97.1109289159.squirrel@205.225.207.97> In-Reply-To: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:52:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/search.cfm has a copy of the DVD for $11.55 - US dollars, and it says they ship internationally (it appears from your e-mail address that you are in Australia-?). I have never used this company, so I can't say whether they are dependable. Hope this helps. Steph > I've been watching the excellent English movie "The Slipper and The > Rose" and wondered whether anyone here had viewed it and looked at the > men's breeches. I'm curious about whether they had the "baggy" bottom > or not. I'm copying one of the outfits for my husband and am using a > 1730-40s frock coat pattern from Norah Waugh's book that has a great > "skirt" to it. I am keen to make a set of silk breeches that are slim > fitting but not too baggy - from the 1730s-1740s. My husband is slim > and the baggy breeches look too baggy on him. > Also, does anyone know if I can get a copy of this movie? This one > belongs to a friend and I have to return it soon. > Warmest Regards, > Aylwen Garden > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/costume.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 19:47:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P0lCH7023341 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P0kgZj003271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P0kbTA085915; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P0kXTG085867 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.60.145] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D4Tcm-0005Xt-S6 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:46:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01a601c51ad3$6d132500$913c9b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bbb35bc6ef6442b60f9f3eac9cc814881350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.60.145 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aylwen wrote: > Also, does anyone know if I can get a copy of this movie? Amazon.com has the DVD for $11.99US and the VHS for $14.98US. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 20:25:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P1PUAt023535 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P1OgZj005586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:24:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P1OXSL012724; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:24:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P1OQwq012574 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.59.22124b39 (4410) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <59.22124b39.2f4fd841@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:24:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/24/2005 5:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: I'm curious about whether they had the "baggy" bottom or not. I'm copying one of the outfits for my husband and am using a 1730-40s frock coat pattern from Norah Waugh's book that has a great "skirt" to it. I am keen to make a set of silk breeches that are slim fitting but not too baggy - from the 1730s-1740s. My husband is slim and the baggy breeches look too baggy on him. Yes, the breeches were "baggy" in the seat--had to be to ride a horse. Don't know if I should open this can of worms again, but I understand one of the criticisms of "The Patriot" was that Mel Gibson's breeches weren't authentically baggy. But as a friend of mine remarked, nowadays people associate baggy pants with comedy. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 24 21:28:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P2SSsg023753 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:28:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P2RaZj009539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:27:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P2RJ6F052452; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P2RHIS052362 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.147.40511896 (16930) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <147.40511896.2f4fe6fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:27:06 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann is correct, but from studying paintings and original garments, it appears that silk breeches and those worn in formal settings appear to be a bit less baggy than those worn for work or made of more durable fabric. This may be because one was less apt to ride a horse, and more apt to be driven in a carriage to an event where silk or formal attire would be appropriate.... or conversely, may be one reason why the carriage was necessary. Men could be slaves to fashion as well as the women. Agreed, the bagginess however made it possible for the men to move. It is possible to make the breeches too tight to be able to sit down, and still appear baggy when standing. So be careful and be sure your husband tests the breeches when sitting as well as standing. Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 00:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P5BaCR024486 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:11:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P5AfZj019425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:10:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P5AXFd056222; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1P5AOSw056112 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 26653 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 05:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.108) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 05:10:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:16:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <147.40511896.2f4fe6fa@aol.com> Message-Id: <64BAC299-86EC-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also read in Norah Waugh that the tighter breeches were cut on the cross - this may have helped a bit. I'm making a long waistcoat so much of the bagginess will be hidden. Aylwen On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 01:27 PM, Susannah9810@aol.com wrote: > Ann is correct, but from studying paintings and original garments, it > appears that silk breeches and those worn in formal settings appear to > be a bit > less baggy than those worn for work or made of more durable fabric. > This may be > because one was less apt to ride a horse, and more apt to be driven in > a > carriage to an event where silk or formal attire would be > appropriate.... or > conversely, may be one reason why the carriage was necessary. Men > could be > slaves to fashion as well as the women. > > Agreed, the bagginess however made it possible for the men to move. > It is > possible to make the breeches too tight to be able to sit down, and > still > appear baggy when standing. So be careful and be sure your husband > tests the > breeches when sitting as well as standing. > > Best regards, > Susannah > > Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring > > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William > Morris > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 00:24:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P5OwQo024548 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P5OJZj020012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P5OGns065175; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1P5O9Ve065082 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 27769 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 05:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.5.108) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 05:24:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:30:09 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <506BADD1-86EE-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume post acknowledgement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone tell me why I always get this message when I post? Thanks, Aylwen Begin forwarded message: > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:10:32 PM Australia/Canberra > To: garden@earthlydelights.com.au > Subject: h-costume post acknowledgement > > Your message entitled > > Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose > > was successfully received by the h-costume mailing list. > > List info page: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Your preferences: > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/options/h-costume/ > garden%40earthlydelights.com.au > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 00:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P5bh0c024600 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:37:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1P5aqZj020723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); 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Click on the url at the bottom to check your preferences. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> garden@earthlydelights.com.au 25/02/2005 05:30:09 >>> Can anyone tell me why I always get this message when I post? 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 08:14:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PDElWo027362 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:14:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PDE3Zj025091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PDDm4H046672; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:13:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PDDj6K046604 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D243FD71 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 277137261; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:13:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:13:34 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CHyR+AA7dKgEAAAAB,c917f5b0fa8a961172792cb9e8f2cc46 Message-Id: <20050225131335.277137261@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just told my Canadian housemate your joke - he laughed at it more than I did! He just told me that the funniest thing about it is that is true. Jo. --- "Shane & Sheridan" wrote: From: "Shane & Sheridan" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:11 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) Personally I use both, I was raised on the Metric system in school, but at home everyone still used the US Imperial. For my sewing I switch back and forth depending on how accurate I need things to be. I buy my fabric by the meter, but measure myself and my own patterns in inches, unless I'm doing something really fiddly. Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... > Yes, our recipes expect you to weigh dry ingredients. Modern ones give > both metric and imperial units (and warn you not to mix them). I have an > American recipe booklet from the Quaker Oats company, reissued in the UK > with the explanation that a "cup" is 8 fl. oz. and giving the weight of > a cup of butter. I use a pint measuring jug which has fl. oz. markings. > > Kate Bunting (who learned science in metric but still thinks in > imperial.) > > >>> Teddy@mdx.ac.uk 21/01/2005 10:18:25 >>> > > >Though I understand that the American recipe obsession for measuring > >everything in "cup" even if it's something that doesn't neatly or > easily > >*fit* in a cup is a source of some amusement to people > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 09:04:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PE4Erc027729 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PE3HZj028469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PE3CFU080830; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PE39GZ080746 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE0C3FB65 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9CB21395C; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:03:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CHzAYAAjAvAEAAAAB,4b5e0237046b683e89f36af41c933c0d Message-Id: <20050225140304.9CB21395C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sigh....... Joannah ( who lives far, far too far away ) --- "khanson" wrote: From: "khanson" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:48 -0600 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Okay, I'll be really, really nice and give you my Sooper Seekret Shopping Stash Store... :) There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street number is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, and they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen. Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door, and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. They usually start quoting you a price of about $3/yard, but if you are serious about buying a large amount (more than 100 yards) you can tease them down on pricing. Carmela will generally go a tiny bit lower than Morrie, perhaps .25/yard less, but not always. Get them on a really slow day, like a Tuesday or a holiday, and you can score some great deals. Key word here is bargain at least a little bit! They also carry lovely wool from time to time, and will give you a fair deal on it as well. They occasionally have silk, and they almost always have silk velvet too. Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) -----Original Message----- Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. Thanks! Sg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 09:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PEKN3e027798 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PEJcZj029550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:19:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PEJWYa092518; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PEJU70092486 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4gJW-000035-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:19:30 -0800 Message-ID: <421F3402.4070401@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:19:46 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Breathability-synthetic vs natural-ponderings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry it you have seen this three times, but it has never shown up for me as posted..... This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat tailored jacket for my cousin. The fashion fabric is silk dupioni and the lining is a synthetic. My cousin believes that the silk breaths better (which I don't disagree with), but doesn't fact that it is lined with a synthetic kind of make that moot? This also made me start to ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but still breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the nature of the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky when it gets moist....so what do you guys think? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 11:14:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PGEiRU028491 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PGDrZj009110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:13:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PGDirI083204; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from COMM1.connally.org (comm1.connally.org [207.54.224.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PGDfpQ083118 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tthreadgill@connally.org) Received: from cisd-MTA by COMM1.connally.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:13:14 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:12:34 -0600 From: "Theresa Threadgill" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Any chance these nice people have computer service? Kansas is a bit of a distance from Texas but that is the best price I have seen anywhere. Even a store name would help and I'll do the phone search for them. thanks theresa >>> Joannah@sluggy.net 2/25/2005 8:03:04 AM >>> Sigh....... Joannah ( who lives far, far too far away ) --- "khanson" wrote: From: "khanson" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:48 -0600 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Okay, I'll be really, really nice and give you my Sooper Seekret Shopping Stash Store... :) There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street number is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, and they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen. Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door, and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. They usually start quoting you a price of about $3/yard, but if you are serious about buying a large amount (more than 100 yards) you can tease them down on pricing. Carmela will generally go a tiny bit lower than Morrie, perhaps .25/yard less, but not always. Get them on a really slow day, like a Tuesday or a holiday, and you can score some great deals. Key word here is bargain at least a little bit! They also carry lovely wool from time to time, and will give you a fair deal on it as well. They occasionally have silk, and they almost always have silk velvet too. Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) -----Original Message----- Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. Thanks! Sg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 14:33:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PJXnep029759 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:33:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PJWmZj029501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJWSrq066372; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJWOpT066228 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.124]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050225193218.XPVB4937.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:32:18 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050225132840.01dc0d90@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:32:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200502251901.j1PJ1USp037786@net.indra.com> References: <200502251901.j1PJ1USp037786@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really really want some light weight linen. 50 yards would be about right. What city is this store in? Can we arrange shipping? Beth here in the wilds of Arkansas At 01:01 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote: >From: "khanson" >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:48 -0600 >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price > >Okay, I'll be really, really nice and give you my Sooper Seekret Shopping >Stash Store... :) > >There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street number >is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, and >they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen. >Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door, >and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. They usually >start quoting you a price of about $3/yard, but if you are serious about >buying a large amount (more than 100 yards) you can tease them down on >pricing. Carmela will generally go a tiny bit lower than Morrie, perhaps >.25/yard less, but not always. Get them on a really slow day, like a Tuesday >or a holiday, and you can score some great deals. Key word here is bargain >at least a little bit! > >They also carry lovely wool from time to time, and will give you a fair deal >on it as well. They occasionally have silk, and they almost always have silk >velvet too. > >Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) > > >-----Original Message----- >Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen >anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. >Thanks! > > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 14:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PJduoi029805 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:39:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PJdDZj000138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJdATt072374; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJd6d4072236 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.156]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:39:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Far and Away" Costume Sites X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I know this movie came out a long time ago, but I was wondering if anyone knew of any good websites for the costumes in the movie. I am trying to locate some good information on the corset that Nicole Kidman wore and I haven't found much of anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 15:07:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PK7kh2030031 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:07:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PK6qZj002542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PK5LEu094718; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:05:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (cgpb4.cgp.netins.net [167.142.228.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PK4fHY094059 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [207.177.85.57] (account landofoz@netins.net) by cgpb4.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.9) with HTTP id 429997187 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:04:39 -0600 From: "Mark Ostrem" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.9 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:04:39 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cinderella movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yesterday evening (USA: central time zone) the FOX television network showed a re-telling of the Cinderella story that my daughter (age 11) and I both very much enjoyed. Cinderella was "Danielle" played by Drew Barrymore. Sorry, can't remember the tame of the movie, but it might have been "Ever After". [I would buy a copy of it, we liked it that much.] My question for the costume folks is "how well did they do on the costuming?" It was set in France, but I didn't catch enough references to guess what time frame. It was set up so that the lady telling the story was telling it to the Brothers Grim about her "great-grand-mother" (or maybe great- great- gm) and objecting to the Grims' version with fairy godmothers and magic mice. :-) With my extremely rudimentary knowledge of historical costuming, I thought they did fairly well. I remembered the recent discussion of tied-on sleeve pieces with under-robe sticking out at the elbow which I saw several times in the movie. (sorry if I got the terminology wrong) Also, one garment that seemed to have a slit in the elbow of a solid sleeve, rather than ties above or below. I don't know if this was made-for-tv or previously released in theaters, so please excuse me if you've all had this discussion before. The topography was pretty, and I intend to find out the location of the beautiful castle shown in the ending sequence. off to Google Denise in Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 16:09:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PL9adW030473 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:09:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PL8ZZj009093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:08:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PL7i0s051470; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PL7eV3051342 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail27.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.167]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBB9E5HAGRGS2J for (sender ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:06:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/jAxRy14a7kOdpyf/WkUHsFE3ZjY5dmYA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail27.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLQCHGTZ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:05:58 PST Received: from [4.158.81.78] by webmail27.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:05:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.81.78] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:05:07 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050225.130558.28594.210967@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2199251372 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, that movie was called 'Ever After' and had the inspired idea to cast Leonardo Da Vinci as Danielle's 'sorta fairy godmother'. Rufus Sewell was the Prince and, I believe, Anjelica Houston was the wicked step-mother. You might have better luck tracking it down if you use IMDb (Internet Movie Database) at www.imdb.com. It will tell you everything you you ever wanted to know about the movie. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 16:28:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PLSRC8030581 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:28:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PLRXZj010887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:27:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLRPaf068889; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PLQunQ068563 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:27:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 5201 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 21:36:21 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:36:21 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:26:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16053.162.119.64.110.1109366816.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20050225.130558.28594.210967@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050225.130558.28594.210967@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:26:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Yes, that movie was called 'Ever After' and had the inspired idea to cast > Leonardo Da Vinci as Danielle's 'sorta fairy godmother'. Rufus Sewell was > the Prince and, I believe, Anjelica Houston was the wicked step-mother. > You might have better luck tracking it down if you use IMDb (Internet > Movie Database) at www.imdb.com. It will tell you everything you you ever > wanted to know about the movie. Um..Rufus Sewell wasn't in this one. Yes it is called Ever After and IMDb is a great resource for when you go "I KNOW I've seen that person before" but can't remember where it was. You can look up actors, movies, TV shows, etc. And you can find out some things that are not out yet but may be tantilizing. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 16:33:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PLXiZU030637 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PLXFZj011733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLX2Mu074357; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PLWvT9074271 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 5421 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 21:42:22 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:42:22 -0800 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33164.162.119.64.110.1109367177.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Denise, > "Ever After". Yup! > With my extremely rudimentary knowledge of historical > costuming, I thought they did fairly well. I remembered > the recent discussion of tied-on sleeve pieces with > under-robe sticking out at the elbow which I saw several > times in the movie. (sorry if I got the terminology > wrong) Also, one garment that seemed to have a slit in the > elbow of a solid sleeve, rather than ties above or below. Strangely enough, the costuming was pretty good (for a mainstream movie). The only problem with it was they used Italian Renaissance fashions for a movie that was set in France. The French would have been wearing houppelandes still. But if you look at Italian paintings from about 1470-1490, you will see the styles that Danielle wears. Then her stepsister (the mean blond one) wears a reproduction of the Joanna of Portugal dress which is from about 30-50 years later (c. 1530). Weird. But the movie is not supposed to be historically accurate so take it all with a grain of salt. But Danielle's dresses are a good example of late 1400's Italian. Hope that helps! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMIXwT030967 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:18:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMHBZj016496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMGsaV014343; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NF4int014592 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48623195FF for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:04:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421C9B81.8080402@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:04:33 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Burgundian neckline References: <421C8EB8.90707@thibault.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20050223143559.014b2828@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050223143559.014b2828@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, A friend and I made a pattern for a houppelande/Bourgondian. We used pattern of the Herjolfsnes male coat (#63) bought at a museum. http://www.gelfling.dds.nl/index.html And here http://www.deredere.dds.nl/15thcent/15woman/15thDress.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:20:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMKGG5030980 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMJMZj016680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMJLwk016513; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NGfb71091869 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([67.68.139.192]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050223164127.VMIZ1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c519c4$8f8a0a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the dress > with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced in > the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand stitched since > that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the overdress > is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of > course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I messed up not > much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have talked > to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find pictures to > back it up. > > Any help would be appreciated > theresa Hello! Try this website: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Use the quick search bar at the bottom of the page and click on the time frame list and pick the range of years you want. From the sounds of what you have described though, the 1200's don't match your outfit. That century tended towards flowing T-tunic like garments. Heres a couple of examples: http://www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/09e_1200.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/13g_1200.jpg If your gown is a bodice with a skirt pleated into it, you would be wanting to look at the Renaissance period from a variety of countries: (look from 1450 to 1550 on the list) http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/7portrai/03youngw.jpg (Sandro Botticelli 1475) http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/7portrai/09youngw.jpg (Sandro Botticelli 1480) There is some *great* hair going on in this one. :-) http://www.wga.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.jpg (Cranach the Elder 1517) These are just a couple of examples of front opening gowns, if you search the website you will doubtless come across more, and find more work for yourself in the process, there are some wonderful portraits out there... To save yourself time and trouble with A&S, you might want to do your documentation before you start your project, although I haven't quite figured that one out myself as of yet. ;-) I hope this helps. Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:23:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMNbdK031002 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMMwZj017106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:22:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMMpHn019510; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NHLH1w027959 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D9B40435 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 354E13953; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCHLuNAACoOAEAAAAB,0ad3cf2c44051d5790b23d2b032fc2c7 Message-Id: <20050223172117.354E13953@sitemail.everyone.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have no idea how safe this is for fabric, but I had a piece of white satin from the 50's that had yellowed unevenly and I dipped it in a mix of half water, half peroxide laid it out on the grass in the sun and it came out perfectly white. I then washed it by hand to get the peroxide out. I don't know if it would work on all satin or if it would be economical, but you might want to try it on a small spot. OxiClean might work as well, but it wasn't available when I tried the peroxide and I haven't had the need to try it. Good luck. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: From: Cynthia J Ley Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:35:30 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Maybe I should dye it. Any suggestions? I'ld like to give it to my granddaughters. My mother made it for me and it's a bit of a family heirloom. the veil and cap have yellowed too. :( The veil is another one of those 'tons of pearls' types. Thank you for your help. Arlys On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:33 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" writes: > In working with my white gown collection, I have never found a way to > deal > with this aging. It is the way of the fabric. I have washed 1920s > era silk > gowns with some good luck, but they remain ivory...but without the > grime. > Of course, many of these 20th C gowns were off -white to begin with. > I have > a lovely silk lace three cornered shawl from the 19th C that I have > tried > the yard-dew method, but to no avail. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin > > > > I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with > time. > > It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any > > suggestions as to how I might clean it? > > > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:23:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMNjJH031008 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:23:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMNFZj017168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMNF6j019894; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.primushost.com (smtp1.primushost.com [209.58.220.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NIRCII087981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vintage@primushost.com) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by smtp1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D41Dy-00002c-Fm; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:27:02 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 1D3ywK-0001cq-00; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:00:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: Katy Bishop To: historic costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] somewhere in time dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got a request from someone who is interested in buying a wedding dress in the style from the movie Somewhere in Time, for her wedding March 15. She will be getting married at the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island in Michigan. I am assuming she lives nearby, but I am not sure. Can anyone help her? Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:23:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMNg6n031005 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:23:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMN4Zj017116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMN2aw019692; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NHtLPQ057826 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04213 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:07:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:07:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress In-Reply-To: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the > dress with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a > bodice laced in the front with a skirt attached in pleats.... Time > frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have talked to have > said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find pictures to > back it up. Have the people you talked with given any indication that this is period to 1200s England? If so, can you get something more concrete from them as to why they think so? Or are they suggesting it looks "period" but perhaps from a different time and place? From the description it sounds more like Italian Renaissance. I cannot think of any bodice-skirt combination gowns (meaning a waistline seam) or skirts set in with pleats until several centuries after 1200. Did you follow any pictures, drawings, or other inspiration in making your design? If so, then that can also help you narrow things down. In general, though, if you created a design out of your head, or based on bits and pieces you've seen in different places (or on different people) it is very likely that you will not find the combination "period" to any specific time and place. Generally, if you're going to want to make something documentably historic in style, you should start with your sources (ideally several images and other material from a specific time/place context) and then develop your design based on those. If that's not the case, then you may have to explore a little to find a period and place in which something similar appeared, and then indicate on your documentation where you departed from that style. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:25:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMPuFN031021 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMPNZj017466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:25:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMPMbT021929; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NNlqaH062127 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.81] (p17.3c02.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.81]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1NNjS118661 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:45:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20050223.083531.3420.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20050223.083531.3420.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <514A742F-85F6-11D9-B9CD-000A95C59FB2@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:54:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Don't! You'll only make it worse. On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Maybe I should dye it. Any suggestions? > > I'ld like to give it to my granddaughters. My mother made it for me and > it's a bit of a family heirloom. > > the veil and cap have yellowed too. :( The veil is another one of those > 'tons of pearls' types. > > Thank you for your help. > > Arlys > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:19:33 -0500 "Lloyd Mitchell" > writes: >> In working with my white gown collection, I have never found a way to >> deal >> with this aging. It is the way of the fabric. I have washed 1920s >> era silk >> gowns with some good luck, but they remain ivory...but without the >> grime. >> Of course, many of these 20th C gowns were off -white to begin with. >> I have >> a lovely silk lace three cornered shawl from the 19th C that I have >> tried >> the yard-dew method, but to no avail. >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cynthia J Ley" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yellowing on satin >> >> >>> I have a beautiful heavy satin wedding gown that has yellowed with >> time. >>> It was originally an ivory color. It has tons of pearls on it. Any >>> suggestions as to how I might clean it? >>> >>> Arlys >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:26:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMQKZi031026 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMP5Zj017419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMOxAC021565; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NJTrov046608 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.228.192.185] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D42Cl-0002jH-Qa for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:29:52 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=IJT2f+CiICnWQe6yLSzwKXrffVigJObXdZ7MWtTHIfJ0ctAJu/DbYLsi8orPybFt; Message-ID: <003901c519de$08234350$b9c0e404@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:29:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da940779e77e52e035bec45581400496c5600350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.228.192.185 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you have a picture/drawing of what you're making? I'm by no means a 12th century expert, and maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "document" (are we talking SCA?) but I can't picture anything 12th century that is at all like your description.... maybe we could be of more help with a little more info? Liadain ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress >I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the dress > with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced > in > the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand stitched > since > that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the > overdress > is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of > course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I > messed up not > much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have > talked > to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find > pictures to > back it up. > > Any help would be appreciated > theresa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:26:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMQlDL031031 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:26:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMQCZj017593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMQ90i022670; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1O2dwqW061685 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D48v0-0001pH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: <421D3E89.2020206@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:40:09 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen , an Emporer with a lisp? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I know this is a little ot, but.....I was reading an article online the other day which I can no longer find. It was in regard to a queen (or personage of some rank) whose name was Anne or Ann who had a limp which was imitated in her court. (Much like the imitation of Charles V who had a speech impediment ) In poking around I came up with at least one possibility which was / *Anne De Bretagne */duchess of Brittany. I worked back to this from a reference that said her daughter /*Renée de France the **Duchessa (duchess) di Ferrara */was at one time considered for marriage to Henery VIII but was rejected because she had a limp like her mother..... Any clues? Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:26:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMQxYZ031034 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:26:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMQQZj017634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMQQAZ022936; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1NKghux011491 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from irmgart@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so3131018wri for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BIdwzp98qtQWwDWEr3mJa8cS3FAAJdHk6P2FY42LWjRvBPXuiuyaYP5wtM76zFCVhiPxi6hl2uEDrqmxuqsqsrUjZvC9+Eg6iWNH8ZEDMIx7MQDWsxHByWsYDMofyIRQoS93hYiPY/gVc9Dgv+1NICP6mvD5fQMEQ/0aag5DPhw= Received: by 10.54.44.13 with SMTP id r13mr30594wrr; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.45.78 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:42:29 -0500 From: Irmgart To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress In-Reply-To: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.81, clamav-milter version 0.81b on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ummm... what I'm picturing when you describe this ranges anything from this: http://cottesimple.com/ to this: http://tinyurl.com/5pgc9 Perhaps you could point us at somthing that closely resembles what you are making? -Irmgart On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:59:33 EST, Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the dress > with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced in > the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand stitched since > that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the overdress > is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of > course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I messed up not > much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have talked > to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find pictures to > back it up. > > Any help would be appreciated > theresa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:32:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMWa77031062 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:32:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMVcZj018347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMVVqb027720; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f32.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OJeFEA035641 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:40:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms_lindy39@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:38:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.25.56.244 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:37:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.25.56.244] X-Originating-Email: [ms_lindy39@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ms_lindy39@hotmail.com From: "N n" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:37:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2005 19:38:01.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A074160:01C51AA8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I am new to this list and would like to ask a question about Simplicity Pattern #5724 from Martha McCains Fashion Historian. I am making this dress to wear for my wedding and it is in White Bridal Satin as I coulnd't find Taffetta in the right thickness. Anyway my question is this if I a making or buying the corset should I make it in white? I can get one premade in my size that is natural off white Would this show through the bridal satin? If not I will get it. If it will I will have her make one in white. What do you think? I would be happy for any help as this is the first time in me working with this material so I am not sure if off white will show through or not. Thank you Mary I forgot to add that the wedding is in June and I have some of the dress put together but can't really fit it properly without the corset. Is there a trick to it? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:33:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMXjFm031068 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:33:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMX8Zj018559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMWrhM029079; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OKFVHK066759 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c3.23c399e1 (4214) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.23c399e1.2f4f8fdc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:15:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The bodice will be lined, won't it? I don't think the off-white corset should be a problem, then, but someone else might have a better opinion. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:34:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMYiGw031075 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:34:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMY2Zj018695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMY0V9030130; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp06.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp06.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OLNeuw024963 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:23:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-2-200.s708.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.200] helo=erols.com) by smtp06.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1D4QSR-0005TE-00; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:23:34 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , "David S. Mallinak" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com> <421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau wrote: > A few more patterns...My girlfriend knows where to look! You will have > to scroll down the page a bit. A word of caution. The second is more > for advanced doll makers, but the first by Pam Gross is very straight > forward. > > http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id26.htm > http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id4.htm > http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id35.htm ! Thank you. The two URls for also has patterns for dragon dolls and a link to another site with more dragon doll patterns (attached above). Now I can start a craft project for a Dragon Pallo. All I need to figure out how to attach the head to the stick. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:35:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMZTmn031082 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMYfZj018828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMYecl030783; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ONlwmI044114 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 23:47:52 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224234149.014b2828@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:45:56 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose In-Reply-To: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.a u> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:34 25/02/2005 +1100, you wrote: >I've been watching the excellent English movie "The Slipper and The Rose" >and wondered whether anyone here had viewed it and looked at the men's >breeches. I'm curious about whether they had the "baggy" bottom or not. >I'm copying one of the outfits for my husband and am using a 1730-40s >frock coat pattern from Norah Waugh's book that has a great "skirt" to it. >I am keen to make a set of silk breeches that are slim fitting but not too >baggy - from the 1730s-1740s. My husband is slim and the baggy breeches >look too baggy on him. >Also, does anyone know if I can get a copy of this movie? This one belongs >to a friend and I have to return it soon. I recently bought a DVD of this movie. I think it is highly unlikely the breeches had baggy bottoms. I think they were made by Charles Alty, who made costumes as a freelance. Most costume made at that time did not necessarily have to be "authentic" in every detail. Have another look, if you can, at the dance sequence with Richard Chamberlain and Christopher Gable in the Mausoleum - you should see the breeches pretty well there. (Jean Hunnisett was one of the makers of female costumes.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:35:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMZbl5031085 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMYfZj018827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMYeU7030776; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OMcaLE083433 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.59.220fc505 (16335) for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <59.220fc505.2f4fb15f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:38:23 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/24/2005 2:39:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ms_lindy39@hotmail.com writes: Would this show through the bridal satin? God, I hope not! Bridal satin is pretty dense. And the bodice should be flatlined with something like a muslin or sheeting. Of course if you do get the corset and by some crazed circumstance it does show through, you can always whip up a corset cover. Get something off white and put it under some of your satin and see if it shows thru. But I bet you'll have no problamo. Good luck with your gown. Let's see pics! Are you gonna do one of those long full veils so popular in the period? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMZfpU031088 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMZ3Zj018876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMZ2AO031143; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1OMnhZ7093233 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:49:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4Rnj-0004ti-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:49:43 -0800 Message-ID: <421E5A14.2090102@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:49:56 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4213F797.7090707@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4213F797.7090707@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Synthetic vs natural breathability....related to the tailored jacket question earlier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This too is a repost....looking for more opinions on this matter! Wicked Frau wrote: > This is a little OT. but I have been asked to remake a Saddle Seat > tailored jacket for my cousin. The fashion fabric is silk dupioni and > the lining is a synthetic. My cousin believes that the silk breaths > better (which I don't disagree with), but doesn't fact that it is > lined with a synthetic kind of make that mute? This also made me > start to ponder the whole gortex etc claim that it is rain proof but > still breaths. Breathability must be a function of weave and the > nature of the thread itself right? I know silk can be really sticky > when it gets moist....so what do you guys think? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:35:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMZuIx031092 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMZHZj018941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMZGWG031365; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:35:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1ONt9d1049935 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 23:55:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224234710.015a7c28@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:53:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishop's Lawm In-Reply-To: <20050224230137.34229.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:01 24/02/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I am still working on getting some of this over to >Canada, I had to clear other things from my plate to >do it though. I have 7 people interested in splitting >this, so I think it's worthy. Carolyn, Sheridan and >Mari, you are included in that number. :-) For the >amount people want, it may very well end up being more >than one bolt. Depending on how much is on a bolt, I >might just plainly order one just for myself. I have >visions of a chemise swathed in gossamer drawn thread >lacework. :-) > >Julian, I have some fundamental questions for you - >what are the hours of the store so that I might call >when they are open? There is a 5 hour time delay >between us so I have to actually plan a time to call. >Also, is Jersey considered England? I can't seem to >figure out what the country code would be for the >island. The phone number you listed, 1534 - 720331, >doesn't match any country codes I can find, so I >assume that area code means the same to you as it does >here. Kathy The full phone number from England is 01 534(UK area code) 72 (St. Helier) 0 331, so I think you should dial 011 44 534 720 331, but don't take my word for it - do please check first. Julian will be able to put you straight, but I did phone the 01 number myself this morning. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:42:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMgx1N031112 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:42:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMfMZj019779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:41:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMfLrq037246; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PMfJX2037121 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19430 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2005 22:41:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=l9eI0FO4g6E72WahkV382EyrSedVSiDDwp2xlRqWzTivEJj8QvxyoVcOzDgqrL6VmPC5SWnXuwf3C3t2Ba9/7EJSOBLgcsPNvGr5p93Z78fOe1HDOCJjM5qPK7wTUB05YCHOde7j0+B5eFrFUQdHgzet78C22vUEusGf41Gun/A= ; Message-ID: <20050225224113.19428.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.30.107] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:41:12 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <147.40511896.2f4fe6fa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does it matter how the breeches look in back? No decent gentleman would appear before ladies in his shirt sleeves, after all, and any coat of any part of the eighteenth century will disguise any fulness in the rear elevation. But that's just my gut instinct for eighteenth century; pray pay more attention to those lst members who are more expert than I. and paying more attention to their convenient sources. Ann in CT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:43:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMhXV2031117 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:43:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMh4Zj019954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMh0Ca038677; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:43:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJvqeK087825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-174.sonic.net [209.148.114.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PJvnZT021678 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:57:52 -0800 Message-ID: <421F8346.3030208@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:57:58 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidered pina cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know of a source for mail ordering hand-embroidered pina cloth (AKA pineapple cloth) or articles such as shawls made from it? Thank for any info. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:44:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMiVak031125 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:44:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMhuZj020024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:43:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMhu7o039456; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PKG4sh004507 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Traci@CrimsonVision.net) Received: from DAL01WSTHUNNEWE ([65.168.148.82]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id j1PKFqtI021640 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:15:52 -0600 Message-ID: <047d01c51b76$ce2ddc10$6619c40a@golinharris.net> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:15:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Denise, I'm no expert but as I recently made the 'Just Breathe' gown to wear to my SCA 12th night (pics here: http://www.crimsonvision.net/evergown.htm ) I did a little research into the costuming. The gown I made was most likely inspired by a certain Duer sketch : http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/16thital/durer-vene1495-1.jpg . A friend of mine who is alot moer knowledgeable than me regarind period accuracy also had this to say about the other costumes: "It's pretty certain that the Durer sketch is what inspired the designer:) She took a lot of portraits/artwork and used them in the movie So in that way, the costuems are pretty accurate, just for different times and places. The Stepmother is appropriately wearing very flemish style clothing. And the Prince's riding outfit is from a German portrait. ooh, I think the blonde stepsister wears at one stage a gown inspired by an italian painter... possibly Titian... I have it in a book somewhere... " :) Love that movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything is completely period accurate but just offering these ideas. :) XxX, Elizabeta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ostrem" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cinderella movie > Yesterday evening (USA: central time zone) the FOX > television network showed a re-telling of the Cinderella > story that my daughter (age 11) and I both very much > enjoyed. Cinderella was "Danielle" played by Drew > Barrymore. Sorry, can't remember the tame of the movie, > but it might have been "Ever After". > > [I would buy a copy of it, we liked it that much.] My > question for the costume folks is "how well did they do on > the costuming?" It was set in France, but I didn't catch > enough references to guess what time frame. It was set up > so that the lady telling the story was telling it to the > Brothers Grim about her "great-grand-mother" (or maybe > great- great- gm) and objecting to the Grims' version with > fairy godmothers and magic mice. :-) > > With my extremely rudimentary knowledge of historical > costuming, I thought they did fairly well. I remembered > the recent discussion of tied-on sleeve pieces with > under-robe sticking out at the elbow which I saw several > times in the movie. (sorry if I got the terminology > wrong) Also, one garment that seemed to have a slit in the > elbow of a solid sleeve, rather than ties above or below. > > I don't know if this was made-for-tv or previously > released in theaters, so please excuse me if you've all > had this discussion before. > > The topography was pretty, and I intend to find out the > location of the beautiful castle shown in the ending > sequence. > > off to Google > Denise in Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:44:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMioT3031128 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:44:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMiCZj020078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMiBLO039666; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailhub-5.iastate.edu (mailhub-5.iastate.edu [129.186.140.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLJ4Ko061598 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:19:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from djnash@iastate.edu) Received: from mailout-1.iastate.edu (mailout-1.iastate.edu [129.186.140.1]) by mailhub-5.iastate.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j1PLIueq032217 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:18:56 -0600 Received: from nodnsquery(129.186.127.7) by mailout-1.iastate.edu via csmap id 18cbbb12_8773_11d9_993c_00304811d932_4187; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:20:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050225151832.02a02a38@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:18:56 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie In-Reply-To: <20050225.130558.28594.210967@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050225.130558.28594.210967@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think Dougray Scott played the Prince. DN At 03:05 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote: >Yes, that movie was called 'Ever After' and had the inspired idea to cast >Leonardo Da Vinci as Danielle's 'sorta fairy godmother'. Rufus Sewell was >the Prince and, I believe, Anjelica Houston was the wicked step-mother. >You might have better luck tracking it down if you use IMDb (Internet >Movie Database) at www.imdb.com. It will tell you everything you you ever >wanted to know about the movie. > > >Karen >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Doris J. Nash Costume Shop Supervisor ISU Theatre All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMj9sV031132 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMiaZj020150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMiZhX040088; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao01.cox.net (lakermmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLh99h083768 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:43:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.139.124]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050225214303.IIEE29182.lakermmtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:43:03 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: <048e01c51b84$0cf17170$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] L.A. shopping district Fabric Store Locator Site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Shopping in the L.A. fabric district seems to be a regular topic of discussion (and envy!) around here. I found this site which may be helpful: http://losangeles.zami.com/Fabric_Shop/N-Z Pax, ::Linda:: Any chance these nice people have computer service? Kansas is a bit of a distance from Texas but that is the best price I have seen anywhere. Even a store name would help and I'll do the phone search for them. thanks theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMjMw9031135 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:45:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMijZj020175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMiikg040250; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLsUMw094169 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip13.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1PLsOod001264 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:54:24 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip13.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 16:54:24 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,117,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="800263526:sNHT23169180" Message-ID: <000a01c51b84$9206a830$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050225140304.9CB21395C@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:54:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is this store in Kansas City? I ask because I have to go there next month and would love to stop in and check it out? How far from the airport? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price > Sigh....... > Joannah ( who lives far, far too far away ) > > --- "khanson" wrote: > > From: "khanson" > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:04:48 -0600 > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price > > Okay, I'll be really, really nice and give you my Sooper Seekret Shopping > Stash Store... :) > > There is a store on E. 9th street called Tex-Carmel (think the street > number > is 432). Go in there and ask for Morrie or Carmela. They're the owners, > and > they have always treated us fairly. Tell them you are looking for linen. > Usually they've got a huge stock directly when you come in the front door, > and they have a whole back room with linen stuffed into it too. They > usually > start quoting you a price of about $3/yard, but if you are serious about > buying a large amount (more than 100 yards) you can tease them down on > pricing. Carmela will generally go a tiny bit lower than Morrie, perhaps > .25/yard less, but not always. Get them on a really slow day, like a > Tuesday > or a holiday, and you can score some great deals. Key word here is bargain > at least a little bit! > > They also carry lovely wool from time to time, and will give you a fair > deal > on it as well. They occasionally have silk, and they almost always have > silk > velvet too. > > Talia (expatriate Californian living in chilly Kansas City) > > > -----Original Message----- > Which places are you going to? I have been there and have not seen > anything any better than what I get from fabric-store. > Thanks! > > > Sg > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:45:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMjTmV031138 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMiRZj020122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMiQdj039918; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PLYUSp075727 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4n6S-0006SU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <28311326.1109367267548.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:34:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Isn't Leonardo da Vinci pretty much a has-been as an actor? Or am I thinking of somebody else? ;.) Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: "seamstrix@juno.com" Sent: Feb 25, 2005 4:05 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Yes, that movie was called 'Ever After' and had the inspired idea to cast Leonardo Da Vinci as Danielle's 'sorta fairy godmother'. Rufus Sewell was the Prince and, I believe, Anjelica Houston was the wicked step-mother. You might have better luck tracking it down if you use IMDb (Internet Movie Database) at www.imdb.com. It will tell you everything you you ever wanted to know about the movie. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 17:48:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PMmtmZ031151 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PMmJZj020493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMmFqa043579; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMBDYo009483 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:11:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B22A3C4AC for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:09:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <421FA285.7000202@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:11:17 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <33164.162.119.64.110.1109367177.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <33164.162.119.64.110.1109367177.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: > But the movie is not supposed to be historically accurate so take it all > with a grain of salt. But Danielle's dresses are a good example of late > 1400's Italian. > And then there is the Simplicity pattern (8735 or 0657) for some of the dresses that came out right after the movie. I think it is still in print, but it's been several years so I don't know how much longer it will remain available. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 18:03:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PN3ShU031217 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PN2Xa7021991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PMbE7h033252; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1P5rr4o081803 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.6.155] (helo=boris) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D4YQD-0001NC-3U for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:53:53 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LzoQ1WA3dVNVmnJLTjbZOvdoFrmGDZs+vv8H9fhXS9J1NYzaW0huArJsWHFgxTD7; Message-ID: <01ad01c51afe$6a3f5d00$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:54:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4838143e7b6d7fcea390a3c351f1e293cf93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.155 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So, from someone who knows more about this period, how good is this pattern? I notice it doesn't say anything about being worn over a corset and I assume it is. Melusine ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume > http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4485=x&TI=10 > 013&pageNum=1 > > pattern B4485 > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 18:05:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PN5isR031232 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PN57Zj022453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PN53pF058288; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PN4xGM058089 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail33.nyc.untd.com (webmail33.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.173]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBB9M2MAR5VFJA for (sender ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:04:43 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/jAxRy14a7kW3SyTXtg7YYJcFl6byKFpA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail33.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLQKAH6U; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:04:30 PST Received: from [4.158.246.206] by webmail33.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:04:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.246.206] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:04:15 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050225.150430.14013.211077@webmail33.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2574099788 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, you are right, Rufus Sewell played the 'prince' character in 'Dangerous Beauty', I was confused by the similarity in costuming and that they came out quite close together. Sigh. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:05:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q05TgH031473 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q03iZj002929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q03igr013962; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q03f7O013921 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4pQr-0002xH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:03:41 -0800 Message-ID: <421FBCED.1060308@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:03:57 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bad me....I just got back from Boca Bargoons and hit upon this place unexpectedly...... http://dollarfabric.com/ They have some silks I've never seen before! Be sure to check also under special occasion fabrics..... Have fun! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:09:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q09T4p031484 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:09:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q08OZj003725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q08KiD017696; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q08DMw017561 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050226000806.JPLS5260.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:08:06 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.204.96]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050226000805.HNHM8463.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:08:05 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.5.0]); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:08:09 +1300 Message-ID: <006701c51b97$410f4aa0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <047d01c51b76$ce2ddc10$6619c40a@golinharris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:08:08 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK.. that looks very much like a typo of mine in there;) And I know I've said the same things before... ;) Anyway, I do think the designer deliberatly mixed up the eras, I doubt it was from lack of understanding, for anyone who may think that. In movies and stage as much character as possible can be conveyed through dress. Just look at what the blonde sister is saying with her jewels for instance;) Most people are not aware of what would have worked as a joke for the actual place and time. Oh and I did find a gown that had a sheer open overskirt;) Later 16thC though. By Lavinia Fontana: Fontana, Lavinia, Porträt einer Adligen, 1595, Bild, Siena, Pinacoteca Nazionale di Siena, del 1900.46/3 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10782_39a.jpg It appears that the over skirt is from the same fabric as the over sleeves, edged the same way. If you look at the left side, there is a fold in the fabric then a shadow a little below, which suggests the shado in on the bottom layer. Sure it's 100 years after the Duerer sketch(es) but hey;) And the Beham portrait for the Prince's riding outfit: http://www.artmuseum.cz/reprodukce2.php?dilo_id=141 There are diffrences of course, but the neckline was what most made me curious in the movie;) I've since seen an academic man in a similar style, and this makes sense as the Beham portrait has been renamed as a mathematician rather than an umpire. And there is a little boy in something similar also but with some asymetrical stripey things going on. I can never remember who painted it though, a contemporary of Cranach though I'm sure. Glad to see you over here Traci:) michaela/Willemyne http://glittersweet.com > I'm no expert but as I recently made the 'Just Breathe' gown to wear to > my SCA 12th night (pics here: http://www.crimsonvision.net/evergown.htm ) I > did a little research into the costuming. The gown I made was most likely > inspired by a certain Duer sketch : > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/16thital/durer-vene1495-1.jpg . A friend of > mine who is alot moer knowledgeable than me regarind period accuracy also > had this to say about the other costumes: "It's pretty certain that the > Durer sketch is what inspired the designer:) She took a lot of > portraits/artwork and used them in the movie So in that way, the costuems > are pretty accurate, just for different times and places. The Stepmother is > appropriately wearing very flemish style clothing. And the Prince's riding > outfit is from a German portrait. ooh, I think the blonde stepsister wears > at one stage a gown inspired by an italian painter... possibly Titian... I > have it in a book somewhere... " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:16:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0G14e031496 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:16:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0FLZj004776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0FK1J023698; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0FISL023664 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4pc6-0005yv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:15:18 -0800 Message-ID: <421FBFA6.3090909@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:34 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline Wondered if anyone had ever had their hands on this stuff....some really nice looking silk/wool blends too...... >:o _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:16:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0G4FE031499 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0FLZj004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0FFZw023626; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1P2xWh8072219 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 7048 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 03:08:50 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:08:50 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:59:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1703.24.4.69.40.1109300371.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <47910.205.225.207.97.1109289159.squirrel@205.225.207.97> References: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <47910.205.225.207.97.1109289159.squirrel@205.225.207.97> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:59:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > > http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/search.cfm > has a copy of the DVD for $11.55 - US dollars, and it says they ship > internationally (it appears from your e-mail address that you are in > Australia-?). I have never used this company, so I can't say whether they > are dependable. Hope this helps. > > Steph I have ordered from them several times and they are very good. The videos take a while to arrive (usually a week or so) but the shipping is free and they have very good prices. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:19:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0JOuL031511 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:19:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0IYZj005222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0IV3J026122; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PDOBBb053726 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C89940198 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 660B9393D; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CHyb7AAWkmQEAAAAB,4837cdab9bbec0e49cf42aacbf82d6f0 Message-Id: <20050225132411.660B9393D@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That reminds me, I have been told on good authority that in outback (waaay outback) Queensland, distances are measured by alcohol - a sixpack-long journey (stubbies of beer) , a slab, a bottle of scotch. It makes my hair stand on end thinking about it. Joannah. --- Suzi Clarke wrote: From: Suzi Clarke Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:18:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern review? (Going way OT here)- Weights/measures... At 13:03 21/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Then you have us poor Canuks that are caught right in between both systems. > >Ask an American how far it is to town he'll say: 'Oh, about 10 miles.' >Ask an Englishman, he'll say: 'Oh, about 16 kilometers.' >Ask a Canadian: 'Oh, about 15 minutes, eh?' :-) Sorry Sheridan, you've got the Englishman man wrong. It's "Well, you go past the "George and Dragon" (pub name) turn left and drive on till you get to the "King's Head" (pub name.................) etc. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:20:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0KB2T031521 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0JTZj005531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0JRMu027026; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:19:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PIX2dT012205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:33:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PIWpOr016188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.io.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1PIWoGx016187; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.io.com: www set sender to chiara@io.com using -f Received: from 165.236.184.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches); by new.host.name with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <15744.165.236.184.195.1109356370.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <20050225131335.277137261@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20050225131335.277137261@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:32:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on webmail.io.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - swedish translator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone have a link to a pretty good online swedish translator? Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:21:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0LsDG031530 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q016Zj002255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q00wfj011606; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q00uUA011572 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D4pOC-0002rf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:00:56 -0800 Message-ID: <421FBC48.4000102@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:01:12 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com> <421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net> <421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO David, what is a Pallo? Also, I don't see the link you speak of (....another site with more dragon doll patterns (attached above)....) My favorite dragon patterns are here: http://www.smallwork.com/ Do be careful with Pam Gross's stuff. Her technique is much like Jo-Ellen Trilling's...much more free form...a bit of a challenge to most new doll makers. http://www.cfmgallery.com/artists/Trilling/pages/300SKATE-GOAT.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:23:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0NNAw031536 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:23:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0MqZj005946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:22:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0MmGk029637; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PKYaIV021142 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8FB418DF for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 657567266; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCH4vcAAVNhwEAAAAB,385b804df659975aef7d96e99cf3bdfb Message-Id: <20050225203436.657567266@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Natural bras are suggested under white blouses because they don't show up as much as white ones, so I would think a natural corset under the white satin would be preferable. However, why not just hold a piece of the satin up against you wearing a white bra and again wearing the natural corset and see which is better for yourself. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "N n" wrote: From: "N n" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:33:22 -0800 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown Hi, I am new to this list and would like to ask a question about Simplicity Pattern #5724 from Martha McCains Fashion Historian. I am making this dress to wear for my wedding and it is in White Bridal Satin as I coulnd't find Taffetta in the right thickness. Anyway my question is this if I a making or buying the corset should I make it in white? I can get one premade in my size that is natural off white Would this show through the bridal satin? If not I will get it. If it will I will have her make one in white. What do you think? I would be happy for any help as this is the first time in me working with this material so I am not sure if off white will show through or not. Thank you Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:24:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0O7dF031541 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:24:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0NXZj006161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0NX7k030278; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:23:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1PKmaDK034100 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-53-31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.53.31]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PKmo2Z004781 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:48:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050225124301.026bcf00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:48:24 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie In-Reply-To: References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Yesterday evening (USA: central time zone) the FOX television network >showed a re-telling of the Cinderella story that my daughter (age 11) and >I both very much enjoyed. Cinderella was "Danielle" played by Drew >Barrymore. Sorry, can't remember the tame of the movie, but it might have >been "Ever After". Go to www.IMdB.com, the Internet Movie Database, and search on Drew Barrymore, looking to see if the title "Ever After" is on her page. If so, click on the movie link to see if there's a link that says if it's out on video/dvd. Sometimes IMdB has photo links from movie pages to pages with images from historical films, and sometimes there's a direct link from the movie page to film images. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:27:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0RigJ031560 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:27:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0RFZj006368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:27:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0REmE033236; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:27:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1Q0RCwQ033118 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:27:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78901 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2005 00:27:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20050226002706.78899.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:27:06 GMT Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:27:06 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ever After (was Cinderella costume) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all! The costumes for Ever After were designed by one of the major London companies, Cosprop and there is a copy of their image inspiration sheet online at: http://www.cosprop.co.uk/productions.html#film To see a great collection of contemporary Italian images online, check out: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html To see 'girl with Cherries' in luminous colour (SCARLET sleeves and auburn hair ladies and germs): http://www.oscartext.com/Apic/DePredis.htm I've just completed my own early-ish Italian Ren dress inspired by these images and will let you know when I upload photos onto my website next week. I won't include the link just now because it needs some serious updating but deadlines being what they are... :-) HTH Susan/Katherine Sanders Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:29:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0Ti5T031567 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:29:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0TAZj006466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:29:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0SGfc033696; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns.partiallysane.com (ns2.partiallysane.com [69.0.209.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0RpvM033444 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from laptoptraci (c-67-174-65-239.client.comcast.net [67.174.65.239]) by ns.partiallysane.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id j1Q0RhYq019923 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:27:43 -0600 Message-ID: <12ef01c51b98$c0a7ab80$0200a8c0@laptoptraci> From: "Crimson Vision" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net><047d01c51b76$ce2ddc10$6619c40a@golinharris.net> <006701c51b97$410f4aa0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:18:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yep, that was you I was quoting! I couldn't remember if you were on this list. :) I've been on here for a while but just lurk and I don't usually have much to contribute as I'm still learning. ;) T ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie OK.. that looks very much like a typo of mine in there;) And I know I've said the same things before... ;) Anyway, I do think the designer deliberatly mixed up the eras, I doubt it was from lack of understanding, for anyone who may think that. In movies and stage as much character as possible can be conveyed through dress. Just look at what the blonde sister is saying with her jewels for instance;) Most people are not aware of what would have worked as a joke for the actual place and time. Oh and I did find a gown that had a sheer open overskirt;) Later 16thC though. By Lavinia Fontana: Fontana, Lavinia, Porträt einer Adligen, 1595, Bild, Siena, Pinacoteca Nazionale di Siena, del 1900.46/3 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10782_39a.jpg It appears that the over skirt is from the same fabric as the over sleeves, edged the same way. If you look at the left side, there is a fold in the fabric then a shadow a little below, which suggests the shado in on the bottom layer. Sure it's 100 years after the Duerer sketch(es) but hey;) And the Beham portrait for the Prince's riding outfit: http://www.artmuseum.cz/reprodukce2.php?dilo_id=141 There are diffrences of course, but the neckline was what most made me curious in the movie;) I've since seen an academic man in a similar style, and this makes sense as the Beham portrait has been renamed as a mathematician rather than an umpire. And there is a little boy in something similar also but with some asymetrical stripey things going on. I can never remember who painted it though, a contemporary of Cranach though I'm sure. Glad to see you over here Traci:) michaela/Willemyne http://glittersweet.com > I'm no expert but as I recently made the 'Just Breathe' gown to wear to > my SCA 12th night (pics here: http://www.crimsonvision.net/evergown.htm ) I > did a little research into the costuming. The gown I made was most likely > inspired by a certain Duer sketch : > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/16thital/durer-vene1495-1.jpg . A friend of > mine who is alot moer knowledgeable than me regarind period accuracy also > had this to say about the other costumes: "It's pretty certain that the > Durer sketch is what inspired the designer:) She took a lot of > portraits/artwork and used them in the movie So in that way, the costuems > are pretty accurate, just for different times and places. The Stepmother is > appropriately wearing very flemish style clothing. And the Prince's riding > outfit is from a German portrait. ooh, I think the blonde stepsister wears > at one stage a gown inspired by an italian painter... possibly Titian... I > have it in a book somewhere... " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:32:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0WjbO031597 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:32:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0WAZj006760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0WAYj035984; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:32:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0W7vR035942 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hardcorps@earthlink.net) Received: from [4.227.157.40] (helo=familyroom) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D4psL-0001W1-KT for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:32:07 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Sow2GZtfKnAJukS5zYWf8qwmR9mhSaYQmN7oW/UOtswQTat47RDa2vUcj/Ejsite; Message-ID: <000001c51b9a$82bd6150$289de304@familyroom> From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" References: <82.22728324.2f4de645@aol.com> <003901c519de$08234350$b9c0e404@familyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:18:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 20944e7cb345c9e70cc1426638a40ef67e972de0d01da9404240a542777f9bcf23f08582b53a0784350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.227.157.40 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow. I wrote this a couple days ago.... Liadain amazed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Thallas" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress > Do you have a picture/drawing of what you're making? > I'm by no means a 12th century expert, and maybe I'm misunderstanding what > you mean by "document" (are we talking SCA?) but I can't picture anything > 12th century that is at all like your description.... maybe we could be > of more help with a little more info? > > Liadain > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:59 AM > Subject: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress > > >>I am working on an arts and science outfit and I need to document the >>dress >> with pictures. It is a chamise with an overdress that has a bodice laced >> in >> the front with a skirt attached in pleats. It is completely hand >> stitched since >> that is where I have the most fun. The chemise is 100% cotton the >> overdress >> is a synthetic strip with blockprint leaves on it( which isn't period of >> course but I like the colors and all the fabric was $1 a yard so If I >> messed up not >> much lost) Time frame is about 1200's England. All the folks I have >> talked >> to have said yes it is period but no one can tell me where to find >> pictures to >> back it up. >> >> Any help would be appreciated >> theresa >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:36:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0aEUo031624 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0WXbP006813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:35:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0O3IA030775; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1PMXwXt030026 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5615 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2005 22:33:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vipnJpdhSQDecQ3TD9NIoPJEBxDe4SfyPT9R5Ma3KwYxa1pPnGrD1vvOI/SE9rRu4abcKn+49btPh2GjuLfIzSqoGQgth6Tvz0dfG9nqLyLVHxGDtwvgLljmz6Mz5XlRRR6Wpjb/MEYSrbYaT/vru/pNM5x2hmzCe1St8bMm6UY= ; Message-ID: <20050225223352.5613.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.122.57.146] by web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:33:52 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502231905.j1NJ3J2h023084@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stablizing necklines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > So Teddy, how would you "stabilize" the neckline? > > Interline the neckline edge with a non-stretchy > fabric cut on the straight grain. So *that's* why Textiles & Clothing had finds with narrow bits of silk twill along the necklines & where the buttonholes were! I'd wondered. It did seem to hold my surcote/gothic fitted gown/whatever neckline in... It's neat how modern & medieval sewing aren't so different :-) Stephanie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:47:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0llwF031670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0lDZj007796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0l9nr046729; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0l73X046706 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so615588rne for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pJYzLB/weDuT3s10QIxRHfTvsGK+FWmMInyeCbjHZ7Hpkv2vDSmnMJ1l6+Uy6j2NWcbePZPTtS/H2txifS3iEawNObfjiAp/OmWPxiSJEyYO9jA2NQd9kn+Yws1i7Ts5bYqRX0nR45F29ZM7mN+QZ2GBxiGbXmuUIzYxgdj6Sv4= Received: by 10.38.75.37 with SMTP id x37mr278484rna; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:47:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:47:07 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume >http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4485=x&TI=10 013&pageNum=1 >pattern B4485 My goodness their rendition on the package is horrifying! I'm also amused that while the yardage chart recommends ~6 yds for the size skirt, the metric chart requires only ~7 centimeters. --cin Cynthia Barnes FKA to this list as Cynthia in Tokyo CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 19:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q0rKcR031697 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q0qrZj008188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:52:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0qnul050768; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q0qS2b050581 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.94] (pm7-094.eos.net [205.133.149.94]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1Q0qLtH005881 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:52:21 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:46:37 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200502260012.j1Q0CeFa021476@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Civil War ball/wedding gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mary wrote: > I forgot to add that the wedding is in June and I have some of the dress put > together but can't really fit it properly without the corset. Is there a > trick to it? Not a trick, exactly, but the corset will make you a different shape than a bra will, so there's no point in trying to fit the bodice until you have the corset. You've got to have the corset first! The plus is that a corset shapes your entire torso, so it's easier (IMHO) to get a smooth, clean fit. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 20:24:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q1OkWK031840 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q1JhZj010254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q1JbeD070350; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q1IiSl069591 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E653C62A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:17:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <421FCE69.3040301@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:18:33 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price References: <20050225140304.9CB21395C@sitemail.everyone.net> <000a01c51b84$9206a830$3ae89f18@computer> In-Reply-To: <000a01c51b84$9206a830$3ae89f18@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jan Zimmerman wrote: > Is this store in Kansas City? I ask because I have to go there next > month and would love to stop in and check it out? How far from the airport? > I can assure you that if it's a good fabric store it won't be in Kansas City. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 20:25:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q1PWh3031845 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:25:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q1N4Zj010576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q1N2er072932; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q1K6f4070670 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:20:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA3A3C666 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:18:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <421FCEC0.2050302@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:20:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cin wrote: > My goodness their rendition on the package is horrifying! I'm also > amused that while the yardage chart recommends ~6 yds for the size > skirt, the metric chart requires only ~7 centimeters. > --cin Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that bad? Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:01:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q21i9V031977 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:01:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q20ZZj013198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q20MxG099395; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41804.mail.yahoo.com (web41804.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1Q20JqW099278 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1769 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2005 02:00:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JfmtvPUbl3JUcdVLOSzI4ikJWd8tQ/bWb9sGNC329RJs022tQakjd6LsTeT1rm8h+sqHGiMWbhpUDgu9z7tH6OHB2N5nujoHzAHGF/l7SI3/lH2U9Lcq4dqVhcMWQWkaXW2uMqQB8hZo/vzN3RKPwivObrY6T0KrYeCYL6yLmRE= ; Message-ID: <20050226020012.1767.qmail@web41804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:00:11 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:00:11 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bishops' Lawn Linen - local price "You're not in Kansas Dorothy...". To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <421FCE69.3040301@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This store is in the Los Angeles Area garmet district.Our 9th st., San Pedro "square is famous to sewer here...and not here. Notice her sign off as an expatriate of L.A. --- Dawn wrote: > Jan Zimmerman wrote: > > Is this store in Kansas City? I ask because I have > to go there next > > month and would love to stop in and check it out? > How far from the airport? > > > > I can assure you that if it's a good fabric store it > won't be in Kansas > City. :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q25dgW031990 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q253Zj013511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q252Xp002697; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (209-142-2-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1Q250R0002649 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 16142 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 02:14:26 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:14:26 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:04:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1289.24.4.69.40.1109383499.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20050226002706.78899.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050226002706.78899.qmail@web25702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:04:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ever After (was Cinderella costume) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hello all! > > The costumes for Ever After were designed by one of > the major London companies, Cosprop and there is a > copy of their image inspiration sheet online at: > > http://www.cosprop.co.uk/productions.html#film How fun!! I have seen several of the movies that they showed inspiration for and their costuming is very good! I suggest looking at each picture and if you know the characters, you will have several "ah-ha! That's where they got that from!" moments. Now I guess I have to see "From Hell" since I have seen the costume inspirations for it.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2JjXG032110 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:19:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2JDZj014644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:19:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2J8gs012434; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav15.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2J6fZ012355 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:18:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:19:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 02:19:00.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[889B9DD0:01C51BA9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, > Taffetta in the right thickness. Anyway my question is this if I a making > or buying the corset should I make it in white? I can get one premade in > my size that is natural off white Would this show through the bridal > satin? I think off white will show through less than pure white, because it'll stand out less against skin colour. Just like a white bra has a way of showing through a white shirt, but a beige one doesn't. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:28:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2SMqs032141 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:28:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2RbZj015103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:27:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2RVMo018446; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2RSnc018353 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:25:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <421FCEC0.2050302@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:25:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2005 02:26:00.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[82EE1B00:01C51BAA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that bad? > Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? I don't know. It just looks like a halloween costume, something someone would rent, and not like a recreation at all. But somehow, McCall's costumes always feel that way to me, and I almost never can put my finger on what's bothering me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2VIFT032155 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:31:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2UgZj015280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:30:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2Ufkp020674; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2Ualc020560 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:30:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id u.24.6b743d5f (3842) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <24.6b743d5f.2f513944@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:30:28 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Civil War Wedding Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There was an article in Threads Magazine a year or two ago about sheer fabrics, and the conclusion was that you need to make the undergarments or lining match your skin tone. So whether white or off-white will show through depends on your natural skin tone. If you happen to have really dark skin you'd be better off with a cocoa color or something. Or even lining the garment with a dark color. Me, I've never had that problem. White undergarments just blend right in with my skin! :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:34:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2Y2B9032166 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:34:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2XRZj015467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2XOE7022693; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.gssf.org (root@smtp.gssf.org [209.102.124.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2XMf7022635 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from roscelin@pcez.com) Received: from pcez.com (www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11]) by smtp.gssf.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA02521; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:34:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.gssf.org: Host www-data@dns1.pcez.com [209.102.124.11] claimed to be pcez.com From: "roscelin" To: Wicked Frau , Historical Costume Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:33:19 GMT Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <421fdfef.86d.0@pcez.com> X-User-Info: 209.102.126.93 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I believe David is commenting about the websites you shared with me about the horse patterns. Yes, David, those dragons are also great. But I know for me they look a bit more challenging than I want to tackle right now. I'll have to take a look at the site that you mentioned. Isn't a Pallo a form of hobby horse/animal? A head of an animal with a long stick for the body? Roscelin >David, what is a Pallo? Also, I don't see the link you speak of >(....another site with more dragon doll patterns (attached above)....) > >My favorite dragon patterns are here: http://www.smallwork.com/ ------------------- http://www.pcez.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:36:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2aWSj032179 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:36:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2a2Zj015672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2a2a2024675; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1Q2Zx24024571 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:35:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 10595 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 04:04:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.195.224.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.195.224) by shada.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 04:04:28 -0000 Message-ID: <421FD9BD.6050701@oldwaylane.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:06:53 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - swedish translator References: <20050225131335.277137261@sitemail.everyone.net> <15744.165.236.184.195.1109356370.squirrel@165.236.184.195> In-Reply-To: <15744.165.236.184.195.1109356370.squirrel@165.236.184.195> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > Does anyone have a link to a pretty good online swedish translator? This has helped me in a pinch -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 21:44:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q2ilYd032222 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:44:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q2iCZj016193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2i9VC030287; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:44:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q2i6oe030210 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12f.57acef64 (3842) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.57acef64.2f513c6d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:43:57 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kansas City fabric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jan, the only fine-fabrics store I know of in Kansas City is Cy Rudnick's, which is in the Crown Center mall. It's kind of a long way from the airport, but I'll send you a mapquest map if you like. They have good sales every so often, but you have to be on their mailing list to find out about them. Tea Rose, who lives in the Kansas City suburb of Independence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 22:05:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q35SxK032293 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:05:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q34kZj017329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q34hgL043947; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q34fB2043869 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:04:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0305D382AC for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:03:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <421FE742.80509@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:04:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kansas City fabric stores References: <12f.57acef64.2f513c6d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12f.57acef64.2f513c6d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Jan, the only fine-fabrics store I know of in Kansas City is Cy Rudnick's, > which is in the Crown Center mall. It's kind of a long way from the airport, > but I'll send you a mapquest map if you like. They have good sales every so > often, but you have to be on their mailing list to find out about them. > There's Kaplan's on the Plaza (downtown) too, but if you're coming from someplace like New York, Chicago, or California, you'll find them both disappointing. Great place to get fabric for a prom or bridesmaid's dress, or shop if you're trying to copy, say, Donna Karan fashions. Expensive, if you can find a clerk to quote you a price. If you're only interested in 'historic' costume fabrics, I wouldn't say either was worth going out of your way. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 25 23:58:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q4wNnl032656 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:58:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q4vVZj024122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q4v3IC016124; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q4up5f015979 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.15a.4b2f8e61 (3866) for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.4b2f8e61.2f515b89@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:56:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kansas City fabric stores To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2005 10:05:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Expensive, if you can find a clerk to quote you a price. If you're only interested in 'historic' costume fabrics, I wouldn't say either was worth going out of your way. Maybe not recently, but I found a lovely yellow Swiss batiste for an early 19th century gown at Cy Rudnick's several years ago, as well as a maroon wool which became a tailcoat for my husband. I've found that even the most un-promising places can yield surprising things. I went to a Ben Franklin's in Reno and found a great cotton print and a purse frame that I can use for early 19th century. But I went in with no expectations. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 02:56:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q7u073009283 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:56:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q7tUZj004748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:55:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q7tJIi035347; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q7tDNF035232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:55:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q979eZ028662 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:07:09 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Wedding Ball Gown Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:55:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050225203436.657567266@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050225203436.657567266@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502260255.03236.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 25 February 2005 3:34 pm, Lalah wrote: > Natural bras are suggested under white blouses because they don't show up > as much as white ones, so I would think a natural corset under the white > satin would be preferable. However, why not just hold a piece of the satin > up against you wearing a white bra and again wearing the natural corset and > see which is better for yourself. The key, I find, to not having your bra show under white clothing is to use a neutral color in the same general range as your skin tone. If I were dark skinned, I'd go for a brown bra rather than natural or beige. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 03:10:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1Q8ACCK011876 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1Q89kZj005379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q89gnt045045; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:09:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1Q89exG045020 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:09:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC036846 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:09:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p152.socket.net [64.85.214.154]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 395EDC456 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:09:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:09:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Basically, most of Butterick's "Making History", are created with the average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first garb. It is researched but they will cut corners to accommodate. The lack of a corset is a good example. Now understand the 17th cent. is not my era of interest but I think that they have achieved a good rendition. The ruffle on the end of the sleeves could be different IMO. De -----Original Message----- > Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that bad? > Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? I don't know. It just looks like a halloween costume, something someone would rent, and not like a recreation at all. But somehow, McCall's costumes always feel that way to me, and I almost never can put my finger on what's bothering me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 06:12:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QBCA9P016630 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:12:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QBB7Zj012421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QBAicj049164; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QBAWuO049031 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 24442 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.2.175) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:16:30 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: Historical Costume From: Aylwen & John In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224234149.014b2828@127.0.0.1> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, how do you think they made the breeches look so snug if they weren't baggy? I've looked closely and can't see any bagg. I love this look - and think it would be great for our historical ballroom dance group, who are not striving for 100% accuracy - just 95%. Yes, I noticed Jean's name in the credits - the costuming on the whole impressed me very much. I have finally got all of her books - I just wish she'd done a male version - I like Norah Waugh's books but am highly impressed by Jean's books. Unfortunately the version I'm looking at is very low resolution. I haven't yet found a DVD for our region - Australia but am hunting around. Cheers, Aylwen Garden On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 09:34 25/02/2005 +1100, you wrote: >> I've been watching the excellent English movie "The Slipper and The >> Rose" and wondered whether anyone here had viewed it and looked at >> the men's breeches. I'm curious about whether they had the "baggy" >> bottom or not. I'm copying one of the outfits for my husband and am >> using a 1730-40s frock coat pattern from Norah Waugh's book that has >> a great "skirt" to it. I am keen to make a set of silk breeches that >> are slim fitting but not too baggy - from the 1730s-1740s. My husband >> is slim and the baggy breeches look too baggy on him. >> Also, does anyone know if I can get a copy of this movie? This one >> belongs to a friend and I have to return it soon. > > > I recently bought a DVD of this movie. > > I think it is highly unlikely the breeches had baggy bottoms. I think > they were made by Charles Alty, who made costumes as a freelance. Most > costume made at that time did not necessarily have to be "authentic" > in every detail. Have another look, if you can, at the dance sequence > with Richard Chamberlain and Christopher Gable in the Mausoleum - you > should see the breeches pretty well there. (Jean Hunnisett was one of > the makers of female costumes.) > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 06:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QBDeTc016798 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QBCxZj012532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:12:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QBCxdi050620; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-09.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QBCtvA050575 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 28674 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2005 11:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.2.175) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 11:12:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:18:58 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <354D58A6-87E8-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Butterick are selling an 18th C stays pattern - I'm of the opinion that they've started doing their homework at last! It certainly looks a good place to start. Unfortunately you can't get the new patterns in Australia yet! Cheers, Aylwen On Saturday, February 26, 2005, at 07:09 PM, otsisto wrote: > Basically, most of Butterick's "Making History", are created with the > average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first > garb. > It is researched but they will cut corners to accommodate. The lack of > a > corset is a good example. Now understand the 17th cent. is not my era > of > interest but I think that they have achieved a good rendition. The > ruffle on > the end of the sleeves could be different IMO. > > De > > -----Original Message----- >> Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that >> bad? >> Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? > > I don't know. It just looks like a halloween costume, something someone > would rent, and not like a recreation at all. > > But somehow, McCall's costumes always feel that way to me, and I almost > never can put my finger on what's bothering me. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 07:05:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QC5kdH032182 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QC5DZj014637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QC56Wu088088; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QC51ku087940 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e2.365d3e8a (3850) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:04:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.365d3e8a.2f51bfe5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:04:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/26/2005 6:14:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, garden@earthlydelights.com.au writes: Suzi, how do you think they made the breeches look so snug if they weren't baggy? I've looked closely and can't see any bagg. Perhaps the ones in the movie are not cut authentically--as I mentioned in an earlier post, it's theater, after all. The "bag" of the 18th century breeches was mostly in the seat, so you wouldn't see it when the gentleman was wearing his coat, which he wouldn't ever remove in public! As someone mentioned, cutting on the bias (cross) would help. So would using a modern fabric with a smidge of Lycra spandex in it, if you are not concerned about 100% authenticity. Silk has less give than wool, so you could a closer fit with wool and the guy could still move. Some of the snug-fitting breeches you see in visuals are leather, which also stretches and molds to the body. Slightly OT, but to make the point--one of my classmates in a sewing class around 1970 made a pair of pull-on trousers in wool and was delighted with the fit. She later replicated them in silk brocade, but she found she couldn't get them on as they were--she had to add a placket--because the fabric had less give. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 07:16:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QCGm6d001802 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:16:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QCFlZj015413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QCDpm5093335; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QCCqel092929 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:13:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.9e.21028c89 (3850) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:12:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.21028c89.2f51c1b7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:12:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/26/2005 3:11:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Basically, most of Butterick's "Making History", are created with the average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first garb. It is researched but they will cut corners to accommodate. I don't expect 100% historical accuracy from their patterns, but I'm disappointed they didn't take a little more care when it would be easy to do so. Regency is my period, and their dress didn't look bad on the envelope. So I bought it but found that the skirt shape is a modern high-waisted A-line--obviously pulled from their stock of patterns--rather than the straight and gored pieces of a period gown. That shape of skirt would have been so easy to produce and to construct, too! As to this 18th century gown, that wide band of trim around the hem is the worst detail, I think. Dresses I've seen have ruffles or other trim, but nothing that wide applied flat like that. Again, that is a small detail that would have been just as easy to do more true to period, and would have given a more accurate look. And yes, the sleeve could be done differently. The dress is not cut on period lines and is 2 pieces, but it would be okay for a costume, and could look much better with just a little tweaking. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 07:37:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QCbkci001918 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:37:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QCbBZj016768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QCb83q008516; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QCb6Ts008365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-51.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.51] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D51Bj-0003xc-OG for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:36:52 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:37:17 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200502261216.j1QCEe11093715@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO De wrote: <> Sorry, but the beginner LHer is required to wear historically accurate clothing, not a costume. This Butterick pattern is definitely a costume. And since the waist looks too high, the ruffles around the bottom of the bodice shouldn't be there, and the model appears as if she moves, the whole thing will displace and look even more horrible than it does already, I would say this isn't even a good costume. I wouldn't recommend it even to someone for Hallowe'en! I am not asking for historically accurate clothing patterns from big commercial pattern companies. But could they please produce a costume pattern that doesn't look like a car crash? Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 09:20:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QEKAcl002453 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QEJEZj004447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QEJ5b6075723; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QEIdXp075473 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail26.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.166]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBCBBJNACUSX8S for (sender ); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7waa2WLO+35pJoYIczFjzd433y7n59dGYw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail26.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KLR7GXL3; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:16:47 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail26.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:16:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:16:30 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050226.061647.11014.215884@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:180394485 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Butterick pattern is a pretty bad version of that particular fashion. For starters, every example of the 'sofa cushion' style pannier dress that I have seen has had the Watteau pleats in the back, the over skirt and bodice are cut as one. If the seperate bodice and overskirt exists in period, I haven't seen it and I doubt it is typical of the style. The wide band of trim (?) at the hem is not typical of the period and is IMHO ridiculously wide. The ruffle at the bottom of the bodice has no period equivalent that I've ever seen, and the pointed back to the bodice was only used in period when attached to a polonaise style bodice/overskirt combination- the skirt and bodice should be sewn together with the point of the bodice accomodating a small cork bumroll with a vaguely heart shape. This was in fashion about 30 or 40 years after the hey-day of the 'sofa cushion' style. I also can't escape the feeling that the skirts should just have more fabric in them. The bodice, overa! ll, sems to be simply their not terribly authentic bodice pattern tricked out with slightly different trim. I wouldn't recommend this pattern to anyone who wanted to do an even moderately authentic mid-18th century formal gown. The word on the street at CostumeCon last year was the Martha McCain (of the excellent Civil War era patterns on Simplicity) is now working on a set of 18th century patterns. I am waiting for them with great anticipation! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 09:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QEnBfq002636 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QEmdZj006018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QEmYQ1094540; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QEmUr7094464 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:48:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-67-163-111-163.client.comcast.net[67.163.111.163]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022614482401400hlsmge>; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:48:24 +0000 Message-ID: <386001c51c12$30a9a360$6401a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com><421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net><421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> <421FBC48.4000102@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:38:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Palio is a horse race held in Italy. Specifically in the Tuscan Region. It was started in the 1100 in Siena Italy. I was fortunate enough to have two semesters of my art history education there in the walled city. It is probably the most documented horse activity historically in the world. It is one of the most passionate things I have ever seen an entire city get into. It is beyond any superbowl crowd we have yet to produce. http://www.premier.net/~Italy/palio.htm for more information. :) It is said that there are so many bribes and counter bribes occurring that the winner of the race is not predictable. The horse that crosses the finish line is the winner, rider or no rider. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern : David, what is a Pallo? Also, I don't see the link you speak of : (....another site with more dragon doll patterns (attached above)....) : : My favorite dragon patterns are here: http://www.smallwork.com/ : : Do be careful with Pam Gross's stuff. Her technique is much like : Jo-Ellen Trilling's...much more free form...a bit of a challenge to most : new doll makers. : http://www.cfmgallery.com/artists/Trilling/pages/300SKATE-GOAT.html : : : : > : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 09:53:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QEr9XE002658 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QEqaZj006243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QEqZMl097355; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:52:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QEqXNR097212 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B3C1262840 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:52:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005b01c51c12$cc58ae00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:52:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, If you know something about the style in general, many things could easy be changed. Here in Denmark we have a wedding dress wich looks a little like this example. Split bodice and skirt. Many 18th century reenacters, often stick to very few styles, but in reality there are many more examples of styles worn in 18th century. The danish weddingdress has a huge panier in the straight shape and a small draped peplum to the bodice, wich clothes with a stomacher.The dress only has one skirt, so in general this style is not that bad. Of cause there are a few things you could change. I am so tired of people who believes there only are 3 styles of dresses to be worn in 18th century, there are many more, and the reason why i am sick of those people also is because they make others who wants to try to make other styles, wich are rarely seen afraid to try. Sorry just had to get it out of my system Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 10:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QF39NQ002707 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QF2WZj006802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QF2Tu1004281; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QF2PTg004138 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005022610021712987 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:02:17 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j1QF2FHC025297 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016a01c51c14$386da2c0$56a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:02:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also wondered about the underpinnings. The pattern doesn't say anything about understructure--i.e. panniers or what they use to hold that shape. Not even in the "purchased notions" Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kass McGann" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume > De wrote: > < average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first > garb.>> > > Sorry, but the beginner LHer is required to wear historically accurate > clothing, not a costume. This Butterick pattern is definitely a > costume. And since the waist looks too high, the ruffles around the > bottom of the bodice shouldn't be there, and the model appears as if she > moves, the whole thing will displace and look even more horrible than it > does already, I would say this isn't even a good costume. I wouldn't > recommend it even to someone for Hallowe'en! > > I am not asking for historically accurate clothing patterns from big > commercial pattern companies. But could they please produce a costume > pattern that doesn't look like a car crash? > > Kass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 10:47:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QFlqZo002909 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:47:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QFkuZj009587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QFkRmx030883; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QFkKs4030777 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:46:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3183C5FD for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:44:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <422099C8.40201@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:46:16 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume References: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> <016a01c51c14$386da2c0$56a810ac@Kate> In-Reply-To: <016a01c51c14$386da2c0$56a810ac@Kate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Pinner wrote: > I also wondered about the underpinnings. The pattern doesn't say > anything about understructure--i.e. panniers or what they use to hold > that shape. Not even in the "purchased notions" > Kate The envelope doesn't, but if you are looking at the pattern book it is #4484 and is right next to #4485 which is that dress. There are stays, pocket hoops, a pocket, and a petticoat for that dress. Aylwen & John wrote: > Unfortunately you can't get the new patterns in > Australia yet! Nor here. At least as of last weekend they weren't in stores yet. Butterick will be on sale for 99 cents in two weeks, though, and I'm hoping to find it by then. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 13:10:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QIAsJL004012 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:10:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QI8sZj018434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:08:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QI8jRx029906; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QI8ggM029805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QJKdwW019674 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:20:44 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:08:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <421FBFA6.3090909@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <421FBFA6.3090909@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502261308.31777.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 25 February 2005 7:15 pm, Wicked Frau wrote: > http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline > > Wondered if anyone had ever had their hands on this stuff....some really > nice looking silk/wool blends too...... >:o No, but I will soon--I ordered a small amount after you sent the link. :-) > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 14:50:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QJoEM0004960 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:50:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QJnHZj024941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QJn7Ba095041; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QJn5n8095005 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so730600rna for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UkNR7qn+i5CSPoUEHeMwB4ucPoZoubH6ksBQlrMJaza7eK5cd9f0WKpbw/uVROO95FsfeOKh9Mq9TGVlOG3BQ7ek9FdRbJRTMDvekqKJTrFJceRp9Cp73LN7y5YaH5qUrsVYVqgq/kHPCFQpSXKYgrknDXKgzKNDmAD8e7JPvAg= Received: by 10.38.207.57 with SMTP id e57mr249546rng; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905022611493b143c44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:49:04 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502261901.j1QJ0n0m066216@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502261901.j1QJ0n0m066216@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Look at butterick's new costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:14 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:37:17 -0500 > From: "Kass McGann" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume > To: > Message-ID: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > De wrote: > < average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first > garb.>> > > Sorry, but the beginner LHer is required to wear historically accurate > clothing, not a costume. This Butterick pattern is definitely a > costume. And since the waist looks too high, the ruffles around the > bottom of the bodice shouldn't be there, and the model appears as if she > moves, the whole thing will displace and look even more horrible than it > does already, I would say this isn't even a good costume. I wouldn't > recommend it even to someone for Hallowe'en! > As, for Halloween it's fine - you're in the dark and most of your co-revellers won't know what they're looking at anyway :P Having said this, I'm no 18th century expert but to me the picture on the envelope makes the skirt look like it's draping terribly - it screams cheap polyester satin to me. Just that kind of static-clinging-where-it-shouldn't look to it. Is it just me? > I am not asking for historically accurate clothing patterns from big > commercial pattern companies. But could they please produce a costume > pattern that doesn't look like a car crash? > Maybe better fabrics would improve it, but somehow I doubt most Halloween costumers are going to spring for good fabric, and most historic costumers I know CERTAINLY won't spend the money for good fabric on a pattern this poor - nor should they. > Kass Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 14:50:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QJoElu004959 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:50:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QJnHZj024940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QJn7iA095035; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QJn5kC095006 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so690664rne for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UkNR7qn+i5CSPoUEHeMwB4ucPoZoubH6ksBQlrMJaza7eK5cd9f0WKpbw/uVROO95FsfeOKh9Mq9TGVlOG3BQ7ek9FdRbJRTMDvekqKJTrFJceRp9Cp73LN7y5YaH5qUrsVYVqgq/kHPCFQpSXKYgrknDXKgzKNDmAD8e7JPvAg= Received: by 10.38.207.57 with SMTP id e57mr249546rng; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.52 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905022611493b143c44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:49:04 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502261901.j1QJ0n0m066216@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502261901.j1QJ0n0m066216@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Look at butterick's new costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:14 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:37:17 -0500 > From: "Kass McGann" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume > To: > Message-ID: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > De wrote: > < average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first > garb.>> > > Sorry, but the beginner LHer is required to wear historically accurate > clothing, not a costume. This Butterick pattern is definitely a > costume. And since the waist looks too high, the ruffles around the > bottom of the bodice shouldn't be there, and the model appears as if she > moves, the whole thing will displace and look even more horrible than it > does already, I would say this isn't even a good costume. I wouldn't > recommend it even to someone for Hallowe'en! > As, for Halloween it's fine - you're in the dark and most of your co-revellers won't know what they're looking at anyway :P Having said this, I'm no 18th century expert but to me the picture on the envelope makes the skirt look like it's draping terribly - it screams cheap polyester satin to me. Just that kind of static-clinging-where-it-shouldn't look to it. Is it just me? > I am not asking for historically accurate clothing patterns from big > commercial pattern companies. But could they please produce a costume > pattern that doesn't look like a car crash? > Maybe better fabrics would improve it, but somehow I doubt most Halloween costumers are going to spring for good fabric, and most historic costumers I know CERTAINLY won't spend the money for good fabric on a pattern this poor - nor should they. > Kass Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:05:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QK5CNx006372 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:05:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QK4bZj025760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QK4VYg005681; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QK4TfU005654 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:04:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j1QK4Qiq010951 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:04:26 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kansas City fabric stores Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:04:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <15a.4b2f8e61.2f515b89@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Cy Rudnick's occasionally has some very nice fabric, if you can stand to pay the price. Their linen goods normally start at about $17/yd which is far to pricey in my opinion. Honestly, if you want to buy 10 yards, that ends up to be $170 before taxes, and you can get a round trip airfare ticket to Los Angeles for about $200 if you're in the mood for a trip to the garment district. :) Talia ================================================ Maybe not recently, but I found a lovely yellow Swiss batiste for an early 19th century gown at Cy Rudnick's several years ago, as well as a maroon wool which became a tailcoat for my husband. I've found that even the most un-promising places can yield surprising things. I went to a Ben Franklin's in Reno and found a great cotton print and a purse frame that I can use for early 19th century. But I went in with no expectations. Ann Wass -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:07:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QK70BF006395 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QK6WZj025867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QK6Wvm007056; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:06:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QK4sRi005903 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 54A3D26285A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:04:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a701c51c3e$7bceaee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <421D3E89.2020206@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen , an Emporer with a lisp? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:05:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Saragrace, This also could be Queen Anne who lived in end of 17th century England. She limped also. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: [h-cost] A litttle OT-affectations, a limping Queen ,an Emporer with a lisp? > Hi all, I know this is a little ot, but.....I was reading an article > online the other day which I can no longer find. It was in regard to a > queen (or personage of some rank) whose name was Anne or Ann who had a > limp which was imitated in her court. (Much like the imitation of Charles > V who had a speech impediment ) > > In poking around I came up with at least one possibility which was / *Anne > De Bretagne */duchess of Brittany. I worked back to this from a > reference that said her daughter /*Renée de France the **Duchessa > (duchess) di Ferrara */was at one time considered for marriage to Henery > VIII but was rejected because she had a limp like her mother..... > > > Any clues? > > Thanks! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:18:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QKIffg006505 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:18:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QKI4Zj026481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKI2OH014714; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41822.mail.yahoo.com (web41822.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QKI0ub014628 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:18:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54929 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2005 20:17:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2GVxqXGo7+oi14NL9QqoyB/SsflTJmbrdn9qy5gj13BJK/Dke5iXIqPKBR9gASaPtIwhPJsdyEQarYkoa1f8yq6z/9cn+7qDtoVXUtTh3m9Vawy5gnz6WetsDzdUKdBkyUGGhOB/OMNXFKlhiHsmQd5l9VYF0TGc8uEcjylWeWo= ; Message-ID: <20050226201754.54927.qmail@web41822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:17:54 PST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005b01c51c12$cc58ae00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Bjarne, I always like to read you messages,much information included. I would ask about your comments: What exactly would you do to this pattern to help make it better appearing? Do you have a photo or link to the Danish dress you refer to to compare styles? Do you have, again, and photos or drawings of the other 18th century styles you speak of? I'd like to see them also as this is one of my favorite periods of clothing for women and men. I am not yet able to draft my own patterns,so I rely on pre made patterns and modify the trims and fabrics to look more real, could you explain what you would do to help this pattern to be better looking? Any other commercial patterns you'd recommend for this period,and modifications? Thanks, Melody (USA) --- Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > If you know something about the style in general, > many things could easy be changed. > Here in Denmark we have a wedding dress wich looks a > little like this example. Split bodice and skirt. Many 18th century reenacters, often stick > to very few styles, but in reality there are many > more examples of styles worn in 18th century. The danish weddingdress has a huge panier in the > straight shape and a small draped peplum to the > bodice, wich clothes with a stomacher. The dress only has one skirt, so in general this style is not that bad. Of course there are a few things you could change. > I am so tired of people who believes there only are > 3 styles of dresses to be worn in 18th century, there are many more, and the reason why i am sick > of those people also is because they make others who > wants to try to make other styles, wich are rarely seen ,afraid to try. > Sorry just had to get it out of my system > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:22:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QKMmXL006531 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QKMCZj026743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKMBEu017441; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKLsve017310 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-206.kc.rr.com [65.30.96.206]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1QKLfWb001476 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:21:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050226142122.00a29190@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:30:45 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? In-Reply-To: <421FBFA6.3090909@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Haven't touched it myself, but here's the definition that I found at allaboutfabrics.com: Weave: Satin. Characteristics: The fabric is napped then steamed and pressed. The nap is long and lies in one direction. It is very lustrous and sleek. It may or may not be given a soft finish and feel. It is usually strong coloured and sometimes stripings (removal of colour) is noted in the cloth. Named for the "zibeline" a small animal found in Siberia. It belongs to the sable family and has fine black fur. Uses: Coats, cloaks, capes and winter suits for women. Apparently, it's usually made of wool. The link you sent was to a 28mm silk, so it sounds like it would be heavy-weight fabric with a soft surface and a nice drape. They have a silk swatch card for $15.00 (refundable on your next order of $60 or more). Maybe you could contact them and ask if a sample of the zibeline is on the swatch card. Sheryl N-D At 05:15 PM 2/25/05 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline > >Wondered if anyone had ever had their hands on this stuff....some really >nice looking silk/wool blends too...... >:o >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:54:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QKs6M9006692 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:54:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QKrIZj028823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:53:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKr98Y039099; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKr6Av039063 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:53:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-206.kc.rr.com [65.30.96.206]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1QKqwWb014624 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:53:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050226144857.009ff900@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:59:17 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie In-Reply-To: References: < <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <20050225193900.ENQV2148.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you're interested in the costumes, you might want to check out this site: http://www.everaftercostumes.com It's pretty slow to load, but it's got great pics and costume info to help recreate the costumes from the movie. Sheryl N-D At 02:04 PM 2/25/05 -0600, you wrote: >Yesterday evening (USA: central time zone) the FOX television network >showed a re-telling of the Cinderella story that my daughter (age 11) and >I both very much enjoyed. Cinderella was "Danielle" played by Drew >Barrymore. Sorry, can't remember the tame of the movie, but it might have >been "Ever After". > >[I would buy a copy of it, we liked it that much.] My question for the >costume folks is "how well did they do on the costuming?" It was set in >France, but I didn't catch enough references to guess what time frame. It >was set up so that the lady telling the story was telling it to the >Brothers Grim about her "great-grand-mother" (or maybe great- great- gm) >and objecting to the Grims' version with fairy godmothers and magic mice. :-) > >With my extremely rudimentary knowledge of historical costuming, I thought >they did fairly well. I remembered the recent discussion of tied-on sleeve >pieces with under-robe sticking out at the elbow which I saw several times >in the movie. (sorry if I got the terminology wrong) Also, one garment >that seemed to have a slit in the elbow of a solid sleeve, rather than >ties above or below. > >I don't know if this was made-for-tv or previously released in theaters, >so please excuse me if you've all had this discussion before. > >The topography was pretty, and I intend to find out the location of the >beautiful castle shown in the ending sequence. > >off to Google >Denise in Iowa >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 15:57:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QKvelK006709 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:57:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QKvAZj029036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKvAV3041875; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QKv6cl041815 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.110] (pm7-110.eos.net [205.133.149.110]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1QKuwtH004530 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:56:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:51:23 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200502261215.j1QCEe10093715@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann wrote: > I don't expect 100% historical accuracy from their patterns, but I'm > disappointed they didn't take a little more care when it would be easy to do > so. > Regency is my period, and their dress didn't look bad on the envelope. So I > bought it but found that the skirt shape is a modern high-waisted > A-line--obviously pulled from their stock of patterns--rather than the > straight and gored > pieces of a period gown. That shape of skirt would have been so easy to > produce and to construct, too! > > As to this 18th century gown, that wide band of trim around the hem is the > worst detail, I think. Dresses I've seen have ruffles or other trim, but > nothing that wide applied flat like that. Again, that is a small detail that > would > have been just as easy to do more true to period, and would have given a > more accurate look. And yes, the sleeve could be done differently. The > dress > is not cut on period lines and is 2 pieces, but it would be okay for a > costume, and could look much better with just a little tweaking. To me, this dress looks like a theatrical costume. I was once in a sewing focus group with a woman who had done the costumes for a high school play set in the 1860s, and she told us all that she had bought authentic patterns from "some mail-order place." She said that they were gorgeous, but she would never do it again. We were discussing Simplicity patterns at the time, and she said that if she ever had to do a couple of dozen historical costumes, she would go with a standard commercial pattern because there are so many nice-looking ones now, and they are much easier to fit and sew. This one looks like it fits that requirement: standard sewing and fitting techniques, and standard sizing. I think if it were done in different fabrics and trims, abd without those weird ruffles on the bodice, it could look very nice -- from a distance!! Of course we all wish Bjarne would make us one of these :-) but for your average amateur theater person or high school play, I think this would be a great buy. And Kass -- I love your work but I just can't agree with you on this one. It doesn't look that bad. Butterick has done much worse!!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 16:07:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QL7odH006752 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QL7HZj029701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QL7EPo049044; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QL7Bh9049014 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-206.kc.rr.com [65.30.96.206]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1QL73Wb019796 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:07:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050226151156.009f7150@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:16:06 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <1a399a1a29c3.1a29c31a399a@optonline.net> <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about this fabric? http://uniquespool.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl?command=goto&id=C2809558&rtn=&file=Fabrics_-_Miscellaneous.html&pid=0331sl (the link is kind of long. you may have to copy and paste if it breaks up.) Sheryl N-D At 12:05 PM 2/22/05 -0700, you wrote: >We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. > >There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like what I >think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type at >http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 17:20:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QMKamC007201 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:20:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QMJlZj004768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:19:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QMJUBY095879; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:19:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QMJRgd095833 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.163] (p03.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.163]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1QMH2728543 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:17:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050226151156.009f7150@pop-server.kc.rr.com> References: <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <1a399a1a29c3.1a29c31a399a@optonline.net> <002d01c5190a$3e172a00$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <5.1.0.14.0.20050226151156.009f7150@pop-server.kc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6d11d21b6d5a0d37c89ea464d23afa8d@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric sources Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:26:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! That just might be the ticket. Sylrog On Feb 26, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > How about this fabric? > > http://uniquespool.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl? > command=goto&id=C2809558&rtn=&file=Fabrics_- > _Miscellaneous.html&pid=0331sl > > (the link is kind of long. you may have to copy and paste if it breaks > up.) > > Sheryl N-D > > > At 12:05 PM 2/22/05 -0700, you wrote: >> We don't have Ikea here in Colorado, but I'll look online. >> >> There is a specific print I am really looking for. It looks like >> what I think is a Cezanne still life of fruit. You can see this type >> at >> http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 18:11:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1QNBfXg007746 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:11:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1QNAtZj008395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:10:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QNAonb030971; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QNAlev030938 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D5B5D-0005nU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:10:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4221020A.1020206@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:11:06 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com><421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net><421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> <421FBC48.4000102@earthlink.net> <386001c51c12$30a9a360$6401a8c0@ches> In-Reply-To: <386001c51c12$30a9a360$6401a8c0@ches> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Palio, Pallo, was Dragons & Horse patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay, you've convinced me....I want to go! Chiara wrote: >The Palio is a horse race held in Italy. Specifically in the Tuscan Region. >It was started in the 1100 in Siena Italy. I was fortunate enough to have >two semesters of my art history education there in the walled city. It is >probably the most documented horse activity historically in the world. > >It is one of the most passionate things I have ever seen an entire city get >into. It is beyond any superbowl crowd we have yet to produce. > >http://www.premier.net/~Italy/palio.htm for more information. :) > >It is said that there are so many bribes and counter bribes occurring that >the winner of the race is not predictable. The horse that crosses the finish >line is the winner, rider or no rider. > >(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) >«·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» >(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 19:44:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1R0itdZ008312 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1R0hvZj014412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:43:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R0hlU5088270; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R0hjWu088235 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729D036DB1 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:43:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p498.socket.net [64.85.217.244]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6646EC60A for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:43:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:43:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9e.21028c89.2f51c1b7@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are reenactment groups of the 18th cent. and city festivals that all is required is that you have the look and if you can make it "authentic" good for you and high praises.(note: the "you" is in reference to anyone who joins the group, not Ann) Since 18th century is not my era of interest I do not have the picture on file. I have seen two extent gowns with the wide band at the hem, both of a form of lace. A third gown had a wide flat band but it was 3" from the hem. Not all 18th cent. gowns like this were one piece. I have seen a ruffle similar to the one around the waist but vaguely remember that there was something different from the B pattern. I think it was French dress but not sure. My problem with the sleeve ruffle is that there isn't enough ruffle and I would have tried to match the lace at the hem instead of using a plain sheer but that is just my preference. In other words, the ruffle isn't feng shui with the rest of the gown. :) The built in corset and plastron are Butterick's way of cutting corners for the average Jane. The necklace detracts from the neckline and the lighting is bad in showing off the dress. Wish they had two versions made and put on the cover. De -----Original Message----- As to this 18th century gown, that wide band of trim around the hem is the worst detail, I think. Dresses I've seen have ruffles or other trim, but nothing that wide applied flat like that. Again, that is a small detail that would have been just as easy to do more true to period, and would have given a more accurate look. And yes, the sleeve could be done differently. The dress is not cut on period lines and is 2 pieces, but it would be okay for a costume, and could look much better with just a little tweaking. Ann Wass ___________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 21:12:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1R2CgxQ008745 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:12:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1R2BsZj020151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R2Bfj3044125; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R2BcKr043975 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1R2BFLE002064 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:11:25 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c51c71$4c9766c0$4091d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:44:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO well the X-ray machine would have showed up any weapon, but maybe the Customs guy thought they were concealing drugs in there? Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear through > or the man was being a down right A-H. > De > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi, > I just thoaght about a true story about teddy bears, i dont know if i ever > told you, but here it comes again. Sorry if i posted it before. > A gay coupple always carried a teddy bear arround to things, when visiting > friends and going to the movies two. The teddy was always dressed very well. > One time they had it with them when travelling by airplane to their holliday > place. > When they returned, the Costume man stopped them and was very susspicious > about the teddy, so he took a knife and tared it apart to see if they had > smuggled anything in it. > Can you imagine how sad this was to them? > > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teddy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > > > > > >> Right. Like my medieval persona would own a credit card.... :-) > > > > Why not? > > > > I know somebody whose teddy-bear has his own credit card. > > > > It was, apparently, surprisingly easy to get.... > > > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 26 21:12:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1R2Cggg008744 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:12:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1R2BsZj020150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R2Bfas044118; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R2BZn9043918 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1R2BFLA002064 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:11:21 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c51c71$4a22bd40$4091d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45DA1BC4-86B4-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> <47910.205.225.207.97.1109289159.squirrel@205.225.207.97> Subject: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:38:39 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose > Hi, > > http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/search.cfm > has a copy of the DVD for $11.55 - US dollars, and it says they ship > internationally (it appears from your e-mail address that you are in > Australia-?). I have never used this company, so I can't say whether they > are dependable. Hope this helps. > > Steph > Just don't buy DVDs from overseas, DVDs work in 'zones' Australia NZ the pacific and parts of Asia is one zone, the US & Canada are another zone (I'm not sure if South America is counted in the same zone as North America) Europe is another zone etc. Most DVD players you buy will only play the DVDs designed for one zone, it is possible to get multi-zone DVD players but they are hard to find and may be more expensive. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 05:32:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RAWm89019513 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RAVrZj016228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:31:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RAVdZM036709; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:31:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RAVXNK036651 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:31:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC8440984 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9321E37DD0; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:31:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CIaGFAAgYaQEAAAAB,6c17ecfe949b6eec757ae0ceacc9c0f4 Message-Id: <20050227103133.9321E37DD0@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, it's magnificent! ( And very, very pink! ) Could I make a suggestion? ( I'm sorry if this post is too late, I'm waaay behind on reading my emails. ) Do you have any more of the fabric which you have used for the sleeve ruffles? If you have enough, a ruffled/ruched strip maybe 1-2 inches wide and sewn in a gently curving pattern down the purple strips would look nice. ( I think =) ) There is at least one dress in Janet Arnold's POF: 1660-1860, and also in 'Historical Fashion in Detail' with that sort of trim in that sort of pattern, if you want to look at what I mean. Just my 2 cents worth. Your niece is a very lucky girl. Joannah --- Sue Clemenger wrote: From: Sue Clemenger Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:45:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pink anglaise dress Holy Toledo, Bjarne! That stuff is *REALLY* pink! 'Bout made my eyes bleed! The tailoring and construction look wonderful, as usual with you. Your niece is very lucky! I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping that you'll eventually post pictures of her wearing the gown. ;-) --Sue Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > Now it is beginning to look all right. The pink dupioni anglaise dress > for my niece for the mask ball. > I need to make the finishing touches, and i think i will add a broad > stripe of the purple taffeta to the underskirt. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/maskebal.htm > The embroidery in the last picture is ment to be made to a small purse > for her. > And if i get the time, she also is going to have a little hat. > This has ben fun making it, and i have learned quite a few things from > it, and finally i got rhid of that pink dupioni :-) > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 09:08:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RE8OlC024894 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RE7aZj026077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:07:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RE7Nfn053898; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RE7KFP053819 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:07:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A41296D20036; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:07:14 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Feb 05 14:07:13 -0000 Message-ID: <009601c51cd5$d0432400$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:08:27 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I concur on this pattern. I think that the word 'costume' is the operative. My problem is first with the fabric choices, which in turn give an awkward presentation. The wide band at the bottom looks like "opps, I ran out of fabric." It is too wide to have been planned that way. In looking at the Kyoto book, gowns of this style have more draping; one is not immediately struck with the seams of the wide skirt. Sometimes I see costumes that are suffering from the "too much fabric" syndrome. An example would be that the pattern calls for 8 yds of fabric and the sewer had 10 to work with. So why not use it all! This design, however seems to point in the opposite direction. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 131 > Ann wrote: > > > I don't expect 100% historical accuracy from their patterns, but I'm > > disappointed they didn't take a little more care when it would be easy to do > > so. > > Regency is my period, and their dress didn't look bad on the envelope. So I > > bought it but found that the skirt shape is a modern high-waisted > > A-line--obviously pulled from their stock of patterns--rather than the > > straight and gored > > pieces of a period gown. That shape of skirt would have been so easy to > > produce and to construct, too! > > > > As to this 18th century gown, that wide band of trim around the hem is the > > worst detail, I think. Dresses I've seen have ruffles or other trim, but > > nothing that wide applied flat like that. Again, that is a small detail that > > would > > have been just as easy to do more true to period, and would have given a > > more accurate look. And yes, the sleeve could be done differently. The > > dress > > is not cut on period lines and is 2 pieces, but it would be okay for a > > costume, and could look much better with just a little tweaking. > > To me, this dress looks like a theatrical costume. I was once in a sewing > focus group with a woman who had done the costumes for a high school play > set in the 1860s, and she told us all that she had bought authentic patterns > from "some mail-order place." She said that they were gorgeous, but she > would never do it again. We were discussing Simplicity patterns at the time, > and she said that if she ever had to do a couple of dozen historical > costumes, she would go with a standard commercial pattern because there are > so many nice-looking ones now, and they are much easier to fit and sew. > > This one looks like it fits that requirement: standard sewing and fitting > techniques, and standard sizing. I think if it were done in different > fabrics and trims, abd without those weird ruffles on the bodice, it could > look very nice -- from a distance!! Of course we all wish Bjarne would make > us one of these :-) but for your average amateur theater person or high > school play, I think this would be a great buy. > > And Kass -- I love your work but I just can't agree with you on this one. It > doesn't look that bad. Butterick has done much worse!!! > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 09:17:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1REHWs3024952 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:17:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1REGxZj026610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1REGu6T059272; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1REGquH059173 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A64E64DB0068; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:16:46 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Feb 05 14:16:45 -0000 Message-ID: <009f01c51cd7$2531e360$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:17:59 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] gauging ruffles. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1REHWs3024952 Status: RO This discussion brings up another question about "how much fabric" to use. I am currently doing a project of 18th C costume making (as opposed to H-Costume) that of course has some ruffling. What gauge of cutting and setting to you generally follow so as to make them full but not Too full? I most often follow the rule of 2-21/2 cuts of the ruffling that will be attached to the main body (of sleeve, skirt, or what have you..) I believe this is what curtain and upholstery gives for a guideline. I don't often follow patterns in this respect since I am working from pictures. So, how do you do it. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 10:22:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RFMLf7025265 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:22:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RFLaZj008751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:21:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RFLTct097912; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RFLQl3097844 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C6E347FE4B for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:21:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00a701c51ce0$00c9bbc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:21:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Butterick pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I sended this post yesterday, but i dont think it came trough.......... Dear Melody, It is quite late here in Denmark now, must go to bed soon, but i have uploaded for you the danish weddingdress. It is from the year 1766. They also know who owed it, it was a lady called Mette Bagges Kiaer. She married a rich merchant. The stomacher inserted in the dress does not original belong to this dress, original stomacher is missing. Ill send you a post tomorrow how i would make the Butterick pattern + some other suggestions for dresses. Click the picture to enlarge! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/brudekjole.htm Bjarne I am working on a reply for you, so it will come a little later.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:19:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHJUt3026097 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:19:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHIhZj024139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:18:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHIV2S070296; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHIStN070232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.92.138] (ip092138.uvm.edu [132.198.92.138]) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1RHIH6h032074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: <422200D9.8040207@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:18:17 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick pattern References: <00a701c51ce0$00c9bbc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <00a701c51ce0$00c9bbc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In addition to the comments already made about that odd skirt, the thing that seems most out of place is the shoulder/sleeve treatment. Here's a great example of the typical 18th century back: http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSS_=%2asform%3dsearch_form%26_IXMAXHITS_%3d15%26_IXDB_%3ddefault%26%24%3dIXALL%3dgown%26_IXSESSION_%3d&_IXSR_=dx1&_IXSPFX_=full/t&_IXMAXHITS_=1&_IXFIRST_=41&submit-button=summary&_IXSESSION_= (if it's too long, just go to http://images.vam.ac.uk/ and search on "gown and petticoat" with the quotes. This will get you several similar images as well.) The back is not the standard modern curved princess seams, and the sleeves are not set in the modern way. I would think that cutting the bodice the modern way would encourage slumping and bagginess/wrinkles. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:32:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHWSg3026151 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:32:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHVkZj025080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:31:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHUxw9003579; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QF5soe006671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1QEwUov008534 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:58:30 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:58:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42209050.9030408@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:05:52 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume References: <001801c51bff$ea700ef0$336453d8@Kass> <016a01c51c14$386da2c0$56a810ac@Kate> In-Reply-To: <016a01c51c14$386da2c0$56a810ac@Kate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate Pinner wrote: > I also wondered about the underpinnings. The pattern doesn't say > anything about understructure--i.e. panniers or what they use to hold > that shape. Not even in the "purchased notions" Maybe a couple of barstools on wheels? Seriously, maybe there is another pattern for the underpinnings. That wouldn't be too unlikely. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:38:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHcexI026203 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHbtZj025573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHbqpT007831; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHbm4B007791 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.6.155] (helo=boris) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D5SMW-0006WL-6V for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:37:48 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=P58KocYB9HOnttX7YswWaXQq21e8fcIe0l/R3hixfOarJ/rpfYtog6i0JC21C6tc; Message-ID: <03e801c51cf3$20e47180$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a701c51ce0$00c9bbc0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <422200D9.8040207@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick pattern Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:38:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48d353619e09aebfab5ccb6021a83f510f8f1403e8a44865d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.155 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I get the idea that this is not what I want in a pattern for this era. In that case, what do all of you think about this one? http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=mm.html&cart_id=1365624_25543 Page down until you get to the Robe a la Francaise. thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHhao1026231 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHh0Zj025995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHgvuH011103; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:2a8M0kgaQBAIHGHAR5uOhEOHJNo6Omm6@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QFO5WE017547 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j1QFNqMP013664 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:23:57 -0500 Received: from 52-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.52]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:23:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49699.64.156.242.52.1109431437.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <005b01c51c12$cc58ae00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <005b01c51c12$cc58ae00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:23:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne said, > The danish weddingdress has a huge panier in the > straight shape and a small draped peplum to the bodice, > wich clothes with a stomacher. Is the peplum as small as the ruffle shown on the pattern? > The dress only has one skirt, The pattern appears to have two skirts. > so in general this style is not that bad. It looks to me like the ruffle was added to close the gap between the bodice and outer skirt. I have not seen a petticoat that is split in the front like that. Maybe there is one - has anyone seen this? When I see a skirt layer that's open in the front, it's part of a gown. The trimming on the petticoat seems to be inspired by some gown illustrations that do have a wide panel of embellishment. I hope people would look at paintings and original gowns to get an idea of ways to trim it rather than going by this as a starting point. > I am so tired of people who believes there only are 3 styles of > dresses to be worn in 18th century, there are many more, and > the reason why i am sick of those people also is because they > make others who wants to try to make other styles, wich are > rarely seen afraid to try. I don't think this pattern was made to be one of those rarer styles. If someone wants a rare style, they are better off starting with one of the more period-cut patterns and altering from there. What we have in museum collections are a lot of upper-class examples. If someone wants to make a ballgown or court dress, there is information out there. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:47:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHlGSw026248 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:47:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHkjZj026381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHkjhq013469; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QJGqjx076287 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B74E6262846 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:16:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c51c37$bf3b22f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:16:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] panier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Someone from another list sended this link to ebay with an interresting panier. Dont know if it is a real garment, or a newer copy. http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8172873070&ss Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:50:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHoUWD026275 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHnvZj026519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:49:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHnVi8015027; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:49:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41827.mail.yahoo.com (web41827.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1QK0M0m002730 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47710 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2005 20:00:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=VfxkSAndRkAWUJnUGWP/es9GHV1UhosDI4NxHUNjybW3oLo8tBY7SuPk1eHDM87oDHLHaPuIPcvmOXWeAdPWTRG1qQXF4bKNu3acqWvPrGJubaz4EI5U2UXhfp/30h6h1zUGWMMDrpiIqIL/GoTzegnREHGW4MyneXrXcO63zT0= ; Message-ID: <20050226200016.47708.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41827.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:00:16 PST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Palio.....they dress for it?.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <386001c51c12$30a9a360$6401a8c0@ches> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lucky you to have witnessed this specticle in person! The same small glimpse they gave in the movie" Under the Tuscan Moon" was incredible. Tell me do the Flag bearers really do that tossing thing dressed in Medieval clothes? Were the clothes they wore, in your opinion, accurate? Do most ,or all of the participants wear medieval style clothes for this event? Lucky You, (dreaming of Tuscany) Melody --- Chiara wrote: > The Palio is a horse race held in Italy. > Specifically in the Tuscan Region. > It was started in the 1100 in Siena Italy. >historically in the world. > > It is one of the most passionate things I have ever > seen an entire city get > into. > http://www.premier.net/~Italy/palio.htm for more > information. :) > > er. > > (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) > «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» > (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wicked Frau" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:01 PM > Subject: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:54:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHsCJ6026297 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:54:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHrbZj026700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHraw2017524; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1QLc0Kx067706 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ADE3E5EE051 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:37:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c51c4b$7d4b77f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050226201754.54927.qmail@web41822.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:38:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Melody, It is quite late here in Denmark now, must go to bed soon, but i have uploaded for you the danish weddingdress. It is from the year 1766. They also know who owed it, it was a lady called Mette Bagges Kiaer. She married a rich merchant. The stomacher inserted in the dress does not original belong to this dress, original stomacher is missing. Ill send you a post tomorrow how i would make the Butterick pattern + some other suggestions for dresses. Click the picture to enlarge! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/brudekjole.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern > Hello Bjarne, > I always like to read you messages,much information > included. > I would ask about your comments: What exactly would > you do to this pattern to help make it better > appearing? > Do you have a photo or link to the Danish dress you > refer to to compare styles? > Do you have, again, and photos or drawings of the > other 18th century styles you speak of? I'd like to > see them also as this is one of my favorite periods of > clothing for women and men. > I am not yet able to draft my own patterns,so I rely > on pre made patterns and modify the trims and fabrics > to look more real, > could you explain what you would do to help this > pattern to be better looking? Any other commercial > patterns you'd recommend for this period,and > modifications? > Thanks, Melody (USA) > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > >> Hi, >> If you know something about the style in general, >> many things could easy be changed. >> Here in Denmark we have a wedding dress wich looks a >> little like this example. Split bodice and skirt. > Many 18th century reenacters, often stick >> to very few styles, but in reality there are many >> more examples of styles worn in 18th century. The > danish weddingdress has a huge panier in the >> straight shape and a small draped peplum to the >> bodice, wich clothes with a stomacher. > The dress only has one skirt, so in general this > style is not that bad. Of course there are a few > things you could change. >> I am so tired of people who believes there only are >> 3 styles of dresses to be worn in 18th century, > there are many more, and the reason why i am sick >> of those people also is because they make others who >> wants to try to make other styles, wich are rarely > seen ,afraid to try. >> Sorry just had to get it out of my system >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 12:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RHu5qQ026305 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RHtSZj026847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:55:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHtPsN018686; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RHtMkA018632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1RHlsov028180 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:47:54 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:47:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42220986.2020808@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:55:18 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Palio.....they dress for it?.... References: <20050226200016.47708.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050226200016.47708.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melody Watts wrote: > Lucky you to have witnessed this specticle in person! > The same small glimpse they gave in the movie" Under > the Tuscan Moon" was incredible. > Tell me do the Flag bearers really do that tossing > thing dressed in Medieval clothes? > Were the clothes they wore, in your opinion, > accurate? > Do most ,or all of the participants wear medieval > style clothes for this event? I believe I saw this pageant on a program called Globe Trekker, and if so, the costumes were high fantasy medieval. Very beautiful, but very mish-mash, in terms of accuracy. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:02:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RI2xtB026351 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:02:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RI2FZj027227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RI2Aqt022843; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R2BZSX043951 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1R2BFLC002064 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:11:23 +1100 Message-ID: <000101c51c71$4b694700$4091d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <28311326.1109367267548.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:39:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie > Isn't Leonardo da Vinci pretty much a has-been as an actor? Or am I thinking of somebody else? ;.) > > Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > Tee hee, I first read the name and made the same mistake, I had actors in my mind and I thought, "no he's not in Ever After" then I realised it was Leonardo Da Vinci the famous 16th century artist and inventor (Among other things IIRC he painted the Mona Lisa, unless was that Michelangelo? I tend to get those two mixed up) not Leonardo Di Caprio semi famous late 20th century actor (from Titanic or Romeo + Juliet) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RI5nH3026384 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RI5LZj027455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:05:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RI5KMZ024881; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1R34O19076539 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.145.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1R34LhK004784 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:04:22 +1100 Message-ID: <003401c51c78$b1f7fdc0$4091d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <354D58A6-87E8-11D9-81F0-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:01:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume > Butterick are selling an 18th C stays pattern - I'm of the opinion that > they've started doing their homework at last! It certainly looks a good > place to start. Unfortunately you can't get the new patterns in > Australia yet! > Cheers, Aylwen > Actually you can get the stays pattern here I just bought it last week (1/2 price at Lincraft) but they appear to have created a new exclusively 18th century underwear pattern (B4484), the version I've got (B4254) has the same 18th century corset (though it has a closed front option as well) and a 19th century corset with or without bust gores. the new pattern includes the same stays pattern but they appear to have decided to make a complete set of 18th century underpinnings (probably because they now have something to put over it). I think Butterick has decided that they can't compete with Simplicity for the American Civil War market (as Martha McCain has done such a good job) but they may be able to get in on the other eras before Simplicity does (e.g. late 19th century, early 20th century and now 18th century). The underpinnings are a huge leap in the right direction, (though I'd probably make the pocket hoops droop down a bit more for aesthetic reasons) but the dress they want you to put over it has, IMHO, combined some of the ugliest features of 18th century fashions and left out the best features (e.g. the pleated Saque back, which they probably think will be too hard, despite the fact that they claim it is 'advanced' if it's anything like their 'advanced' stays pattern it doesn't take much skill, just time). Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Beaumont Elizabeth Walpole in OR in Politarchopolis, Lochac Canberra, Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:10:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RIA4tp026419 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:10:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RI9WZj027837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RI9Usg027622; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RA54Hu020957 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022710045801200rq8sre>; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:04:58 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c51cb3$cda82640$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:05:02 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Free Access X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1RIA4tp026419 Status: RO Sunday and Monday we are having a free access to The Costume Gallery's Library, www.costumelibrary.com . I am limiting the free access to a couple of my favorite email lists. Since h-costume is one of my favorite email lists, you are invited. Below is today's daily newsletter that I send out to our subscribers. It contains the Library's password. In our daily newsletter, there is a fashion definition. It is a lot easier to learn new fashion terms one at a time. When available the letter contains updates to the Library, job, and event announcements. To date, we have 2,626 webpages in our Library. Several books, catalogs, and magazines are online in our collection. Some books, such as The Corset and the Crinoline (up to Ch. 4 online), and the 1911 Butterick Sewing Manual (up to Ch. 8 online), are works in progress. Our website images are unique, in that we go through an extensive restoration process. Generally our images take about 24 hours to restore. Some of the images from the mid-19th Century are take weeks to restore. If you would like to see our restoration process, go to http://www.costumegallery.com/1838/plates/cleaning.html . We do not just scan images or text then throw then on the web. Each webpage is hand-typed and every image is cleaned. I hope you enjoy our free access period. *********************************************************************** LIBRARY NEWSLETTER: 2/27/05 www.costumelibrary.com OR www.costumegallery.com/research.htm Library Passwords: Login: cg2003 Password: vcuecpi ***NOTE: Please make sure to use all lower case letters. Also do not have a blank space in front, in-between, or behind the passwords. A blank space is a character on a computer. If you add a blank space, you will receive an error message. FREE LIBRARY WEEKEND: Once in a blue moon, I open the Library up for a free weekend. Since I missed Saturday, the Library will be open to visitors on Sunday and Monday. Tuesday at 12:01 am, I will be changing the passwords to the Library and the free access ends. LIBRARY UPDATES: http://www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm Please make sure to check the updates often. I do not make A Year in Fashion book for the Library shelves until I have three articles or illustrations for that given year. Today's addition is to A Year in Fashion: 1856. It is a sewing pattern for a Plain Bodice, http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/1856/Feb/pattern/figure1.htm . You may download this pattern to your computer to resize. Please make sure to read the entire webpage before downloading the image. FASHION DEFINITION: Femina: Fashion review first published in 1901. It was published intermittently and also as Femina et vie heireuse reunis until 1956. Some of the most the most famous artists, illustrators and, in the years following World War II, photographers, contributed to the magazine. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:12:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RICpTY026442 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RICIZj028062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RICIg0029379; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RDfHH0040211 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ADF55D05005C; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:41:09 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.103 ([209.131.81.103] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 27 Feb 05 13:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c51cd2$2b49e4a0$675183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <28311326.1109367267548.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:42:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO di Caprio? I thought da Vinci was dead! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie > Isn't Leonardo da Vinci pretty much a has-been as an actor? Or am I thinking of somebody else? ;.) > > Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > From: "seamstrix@juno.com" > Sent: Feb 25, 2005 4:05 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie > > > Yes, that movie was called 'Ever After' and had the inspired idea to cast Leonardo Da Vinci as Danielle's 'sorta fairy godmother'. Rufus Sewell was the Prince and, I believe, Anjelica Houston was the wicked step-mother. You might have better luck tracking it down if you use IMDb (Internet Movie Database) at www.imdb.com. It will tell you everything you you ever wanted to know about the movie. > > > Karen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:31:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RIVKXo026692 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:31:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RIUGZj029310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RIUCJ7041942; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f28.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RIUB43041863 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:30:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pottratzwaack@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.1.185.233 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:29:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.1.185.233] X-Originating-Email: [pottratzwaack@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pottratzwaack@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200502241904.j1OJ2lbV001784@net.indra.com> From: "Laura Waack" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:29:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2005 18:30:00.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[58E8CA20:01C51CFA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The guy I'm making the outfit for STILL hasn't decided what material (grrrrr). I'm steering him towards wool - if I remember right, cutting wool on the bias would not need finishing. Another thought: cut out the sleeve, cut out a piece to line it, and cut out a piece of very light fusible interfacing. pin the facing and sleeve right sides together with the interfacing between. Mark slashes, stitch around, and slach. Then, carefully, cut the material in sorta-squares around each slash. Turn everything in. Iron. The interfacing should hold the facing to the inner sleeve, the slashes would be finished. Opinions? > I am now embarking on a Landsknechts outfit, which involves multiple > slashes. Any ideas out there for how to finish multiple slashes on > sleeves? What materials will you be using? Some materials don't need to be finished at all, especially when the slashes are cut on the bias, and the consensus among researchers seems to be that a lot of those slashes weren't finished--at most, they would have been treated with something like gum arabic (medieval fray-check). If your material or your personal taste dictates that the slashes must be finished, you can cut your sleeve such that the 'slashes' are actually spaces between narrow strips of finished fabric that run vertically down the arm, and the unslashed portion of the sleeve are strips of fabric that run horizontally around the arm, with the vertical strips sewn to the horizontal ones on the back. Pickier, more time consuming options are overcast/buttonhole/blanket stitch along the slashed edge or binding the edges with something like silk ribbon. Another option, which is probably a lot more time consuming than it's worth (as well as really hard to describe in text) is to line the sleeve, and slash through both layers. On each slash, you can finger press teeny tiny folded-in seam allowances into existence (narrowing into nonexistence at the beginning and end of the slash) then invisibly stitch the outer and inner fabrics together on each side of the slash. This looks really great when done, and when worn you can't tell that the slashed areas curve out a bit on each edge. But oy, it's a lot of work! =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 13:46:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RIkekV026819 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:46:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RIjrZj000510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:45:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RIji3G051626; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:45:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1RIjaZR051475 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 18:45:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050227183953.014b3808@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:43:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 In-Reply-To: References: <200502241904.j1OJ2lbV001784@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:29 27/02/2005 +0000, you wrote: >The guy I'm making the outfit for STILL hasn't decided what material >(grrrrr). I'm steering him towards wool - if I remember right, cutting >wool on the bias would not need finishing. > >Another thought: cut out the sleeve, cut out a piece to line it, and cut >out a piece of very light fusible interfacing. pin the facing and sleeve >right sides together with the interfacing between. Mark slashes, stitch >around, and slach. Then, carefully, cut the material in sorta-squares >around each slash. Turn everything in. Iron. The interfacing should >hold the facing to the inner sleeve, the slashes would be finished. I use an iron-on interfacing, "sta-flex" here, and just cut the slashes where I want them. I have also used Fraycheck. You can see slashed sleeves (doublet and breeches too) on my website - these were done with sta-flex. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=fantasy_ramirez_katana.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 14:38:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RJcvnk027234 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:38:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RJc3Zj004201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RJbvbi084048; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RJbtfg083893 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f9d.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.157]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AF8947FF0C for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:37:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006401c51d03$d7bfdd30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:37:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Butterick pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO First of all, i didnt look propperly first time, i thoaght it only was made with 1 skirt. When there is both an overskirt and an underskirt, i would remove the ruched trimming in the bodice waistline. No need for this. Then i would make the waistline in the bodice more pointed, it is two horizontal. Away with the broad trimming in the skirt bottoms, no need for that two. And if you add a coupple of sleave ruffles in the same fabric as the dress, it will be quite good. This is my 2 cents Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 15:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RK7UZP027334 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RK6YZj006523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RK6Q9D002666; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:06:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RK6OQW002599 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:06:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C958A20400; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:06:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust63.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.63]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6C220352 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:06:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <046b01c51d07$ed180c80$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005b01c51c12$cc58ae00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttericks pattern Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:07:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > I am so tired of people who believes there only are 3 styles of dresses to > be worn in 18th century, there are many more, and the reason why i am sick > of those people also is because they make others who wants to try to make > other styles, wich are rarely seen afraid to try. > Sorry just had to get it out of my system Bjarne, I could just hug you! This has been frustrating me for a while, too--in fact, it very nearly caused me to lose all interest in the 18th century, except that I kept seeing paintings showing garments that couldn't be explained as fitting one of those few basic styles. I'd love to hear more from you about the styles that aren't so well known. -E House PS: How exactly DO you pronounce 'Bjarne', by the way? I'm afraid I'd pronounce the A wrong. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 15:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RKUa5T027454 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RKTpZj008180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:29:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RKTiko017794; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RKTcvq017684 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:29:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-67-163-111-163.client.comcast.net[67.163.111.163]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005022720293301300qdft7e>; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:29:33 +0000 Message-ID: <3f8901c51d0a$f2a31660$6401a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050226200016.47708.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:27:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Palio.....they dress for it?.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh yes, yes. :) My boyfriend was one of them so, um, yes, I got to inspect the clothing quite closely. :) They are indeed accurate. They insist on using the same materials and patterns handed down through the generations. They make fun at neighboring cities, esp. Florence, for using synthetic materials. One year one of the cities used lame in their costumes and it was horrifying to these folks. They throw the flags very high and their inspiration is always a lady love or five. Heh. I got to wear a flower head wreath he made just before the parade. :) It is like the dallas cowboy cheerleader try outs to get to be one of the flag bearers. Fierce competition, they practice all year. Watching that movie made me home sick for a home that is not mine. I am a born Texan with my heritage and heart in the Tuscan Valley. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Palio.....they dress for it?.... : Lucky you to have witnessed this specticle in person! : The same small glimpse they gave in the movie" Under : the Tuscan Moon" was incredible. : Tell me do the Flag bearers really do that tossing : thing dressed in Medieval clothes? : Were the clothes they wore, in your opinion, : accurate? : Do most ,or all of the participants wear medieval : style clothes for this event? : Lucky You, : (dreaming of Tuscany) Melody : : --- Chiara wrote: : : > The Palio is a horse race held in Italy. : > Specifically in the Tuscan Region. : > It was started in the 1100 in Siena Italy. : >historically in the world. : > : > It is one of the most passionate things I have ever : > seen an entire city get : > into. : > http://www.premier.net/~Italy/palio.htm for more : > information. :) : > : > er. : > : > (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) : > «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» : > (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Wicked Frau" : > To: "Historical Costume" : > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:01 PM : > Subject: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern : > : > : : : : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Yahoo! 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So do we. : http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 15:33:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RKXnML027481 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:33:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RKXCZj008417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RKX7SE019523; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ns3.linuxwebnet.com (ns3.linuxwebnet.com [216.133.76.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1RKX2QE019441 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: (qmail 27043 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2005 22:01:27 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.249.132.90.dial1.washington2.level3.net (HELO oldwaylane.net) (4.249.132.90) by shada.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 22:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <422227A4.9060201@oldwaylane.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:03:48 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cinderella movie References: <28311326.1109367267548.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <000101c51c71$4b694700$4091d6cb@ewalpole> In-Reply-To: <000101c51c71$4b694700$4091d6cb@ewalpole> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > >>Isn't Leonardo da Vinci pretty much a has-been as an actor? Or am I > > thinking of somebody else? ;.) > > Tee hee, I first read the name and made the same mistake, I had actors in my > mind and I thought, "no he's not in Ever After" then I realised it was > Leonardo Da Vinci the famous 16th century artist and inventor (Among other > things IIRC he painted the Mona Lisa, unless was that Michelangelo? I tend > to get those two mixed up) not Leonardo Di Caprio semi famous late 20th > century actor (from Titanic or Romeo + Juliet) yeah. Patrick Godfrey played Da Vinci in Ever After. DiCaprio was a has been for a while, but is up for an oscar tonight for portraying Howard Hughes. Defaintely different people. ;-) -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 16:25:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RLPJAr027743 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:25:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RLOKZj011792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RLOEGo048401; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RLOCVs048358 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EC937638 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:24:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p459.socket.net [64.85.215.205]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A79B1D4C0 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:24:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:24:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <000201c51c71$4c9766c0$4091d6cb@ewalpole> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO X-ray would have shown anomalies like a plastic bag. Something that doesn't look like stuffing would cause them to cut into it. De -----Original Message----- well the X-ray machine would have showed up any weapon, but maybe the Customs guy thought they were concealing drugs in there? Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear through > or the man was being a down right A-H. > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 16:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1RLXJb7027790 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:33:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1RLWlZj012217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RLWiRM054304; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1RLWh5O054224 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:32:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so766922rne for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YgvwqXXumJxDwOn4RizDw4HZRT3RWFxyD+3T+GLbLEGOmB34b/uFT8c2lhBvOOPPGaGA1FgCLc19KGHOwnGGHVzWF9LWo6wX15IzO3zkyvltXKNiuO3R0Gj0MUUFY5swEsA1gAZ2ewlH857PKYRrQ5oFvSfEn7nBVQo5l6r83kc= Received: by 10.38.88.59 with SMTP id l59mr123192rnb; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:32:37 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th robe francaise commercial patts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Ok, I get the idea that this is not what I want in a pattern for this era. >In that case, what do all of you think about this one? >http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?>page=mm.html&cart_id=1365624_25543 >Page down until you get to the Robe a la Francaise. Woof. Expensive! Tough to tell fit, hang et al from a drawing. Why dont you draft your own from the Janet Arnold or Nora Waugh books? It's bound to fit better than any purchased pattern for the general public. You're your own size. Make one for you. You'd also get the exact features you want. I just finished an 1735 mens court suit using Nora Waugh's book, Blanche Payne's book, the V&A Fashion in detail 17th-18th c and the Baumgartner series from Williamsburg. 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A charming gift to us. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 19:12:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S0CILf028519 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:12:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S0BbZj022403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S0BSGM059710; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20228.mail.yahoo.com (web20228.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1S0BQV0059685 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 45484 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2005 00:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20050228001126.45482.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.29] by web20228.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:11:26 EST Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:11:26 +1100 (EST) From: Bella To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hello all! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just wanted to say a quick hello to you all, since I'm returning to the list after a long hiatus on "no-mail". I recognise a lot of names from last time, and some new names that I know from other lists. It's good to be back. :-) ===== Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ©All intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) ***The FEBRUARY Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 21:00:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S20n08028899 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:00:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S208Zj000259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S1xw7T030354; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41807.mail.yahoo.com (web41807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1S1xuZK030267 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49008 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2005 01:59:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HuKcdX85dkEDYIlwwkDuQpw7SbzD3d0sVyAGE6TNOcUuIcGpPxekCrlyqFgtBvMAQrFMQBHjqOHafJt4tfcaKkfJp3h3fx+f95JmbuOhfAFT1psKP0YnuKcveXlWoyJxlEgl2uIQE0IBj7V4IL37xhEpgf1hJXjio+6Q8x7Q/hE= ; Message-ID: <20050228015951.49006.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:59:50 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:59:50 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick pattern Thanks for the imput and a few more questions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006401c51d03$d7bfdd30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *Thank you Bjarne, I recieved the photo, it is breathtaking. > First of all, i didnt look properly first time, i > thoaght it only was made with 1 skirt. *Should it be made with only one skirt? Or is the under petticoat/trimmed skirt front panel correct? > When there is both an overskirt and an underskirt, i > would remove the ruched > trimming in the bodice waistline. No need for this. *So a plain edge on the bodice wasitline is better? > Then i would make the waistline in the bodice more pointed, it is two horizontal. *Pointed like a "V" shape, or a little like a "Spoon" shape? > Away with the broad trimming in the skirt bottoms, > no need for that two. *SO would ribbons ,bows and ruching be better? And if you add a couple of sleeve ruffles in the same > fabric as the dress, it will be quite good. *Oval shaped ruffles or more round shape? Thank you for replying, I admire your talent! 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Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 21:21:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S2LHLo028980 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:21:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S2KaZj001712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S2KXxP044084; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S2KUWw044054 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.6.155] (helo=boris) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D5aWL-0002sI-R8 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:20:30 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eeWuywvFJqe49LHdVBARgRu2VzUfVrKcOPnnsCTd+pywr+VmmGSeMNaEay+dhVZ3; Message-ID: <04e301c51d3c$283f5690$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th robe francaise commercial patts Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:21:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48048e33c574e6633658e5b76b13f688bb900f0771c95f4286350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.155 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Woof. Expensive! Tough to tell fit, hang et al from a drawing. Why > dont you draft your own from the Janet Arnold or Nora Waugh books? > It's bound to fit better than any purchased pattern for the general > public. You're your own size. Make one for you. (snip) > Cynthia Barnes It's much more cost effective for both my customers and myself to buy a good pattern with a wide range of sizes and use it as a starting point, than for me to draft each and every pattern from scratch. I've done a lot of pattern drafting, since I started doing this 30 years ago when there weren't good patterns available. I just find it easier not to reinvent the wheel every time. This is not my particular area of expertise, but I would like to learn more, hence the question. So, I repeat, does anyone have any experience with the Mantua Maker pattern for the Robe a la Francaise, and how authentic is it? Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 22:21:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S3LO0O029205 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S3KcZj005357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S3KNAn080596; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:20:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41807.mail.yahoo.com (web41807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1S3KLQT080508 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58983 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2005 03:20:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N7SU2sj0LwzfoeyBmM5OD2ck5gCsRNxOsFT0KU+bXLKPUBS4Yi8MTU4mzOd8moA/yrCBWOdmcgeBCax+SPBC3dk+9FX21PQ86lrLzMiYF6fj4dROUpCGrot8ltgktiIufLDe8VaTDeSYDT0l3MSmNvQs3kr19P7skO0/v9jkpN4= ; Message-ID: <20050228032015.58981.qmail@web41807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:20:15 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost]robe francaise commercial patts * Here's Some for You** To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <04e301c51d3c$283f5690$0300a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO HAve you gone to the Greater Bay Area Costume Guild web site? I think it is www.GBACG.org they review patterns there. I found 4 places that have a Robe ala Francaise pattern reviewed. They are : JP Ryan- reccommended,intermediate to advanced sewer Mill Farm has one w2 views to use period Impression has a slew of 1700's gowns but none specfically called a Robe al F. Wingeo has alate 18th cent. Robe ala Anglasise#207 reccomended by the sewer. Check these out and see if it haelps Melody --- Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > > It's much more cost effective for both my customers > and myself to buy a good > pattern with a wide range of sizes and use it as a > starting point, > So, I repeat, does anyone have any experience with > the Mantua Maker pattern > for the Robe a la Francaise, and how authentic is > it? > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 23:00:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S402vD029319 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:00:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S3xGZj007603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S3xCmZ005847; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:59:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.215]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S3xBOt005753 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip13.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1S3x5sW004992 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:59:05 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip13.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2005 22:59:03 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,120,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="804043299:sNHT555756060" Message-ID: <00c401c51d49$d6a801c0$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12f.57acef64.2f513c6d@aol.com> <421FE742.80509@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kansas City fabric stores Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:59:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for your information. Don't have much time if the stores are a distance from the airport. I appreciate your help and answering my question. > TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > >> Jan, the only fine-fabrics store I know of in Kansas City is Cy >> Rudnick's, which is in the Crown Center mall. It's kind of a long way >> from the airport, but I'll send you a mapquest map if you like. They >> have good sales every so often, but you have to be on their mailing list >> to find out about them. >> > > There's Kaplan's on the Plaza (downtown) too, but if you're coming from > someplace like New York, Chicago, or California, you'll find them both > disappointing. Great place to get fabric for a prom or bridesmaid's dress, > or shop if you're trying to copy, say, Donna Karan fashions. Expensive, if > you can find a clerk to quote you a price. If you're only interested in > 'historic' costume fabrics, I wouldn't say either was worth going out of > your way. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 27 23:09:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S493Jx029384 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:09:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S48SZj008201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S48NL6011962; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S48LEl011881 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:08:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.76.4dc9c5c9 (18403) for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <76.4dc9c5c9.2f53f329@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:08:09 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] gauging ruffles. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are great close-up pix of 18c gauged ruffles both on women's caps and on men's shirts in _Fitting & Proper_ by Sharon Ann Burnston as well as Ellen Gehret's _Rural Pennsylvania Clothing_. The length of fabric required for the ruffle truly depends on what you want, as well as the thickness of the fabric being ruffled. Extremely fine linens were preferred for ruffles, finer than the body of the shirt or chemise being so decorated. This enabled more fabric to be used for the ruffles as the finer fabrics collapse more densely & crisply than thicker ones, providing a very full but flat, malleable ruffle (as opposed to stiff and puffy, which is what you get if you use a normal shirt-weight linen to do the ruffles). You can use anywhere from 1 1/2 times the finished width to up to 4 times (see the shirt in Burnston's book). Generally, the finer the fabric the more fabric you can use. For thicker fabrics I wouldn't use much over 1 1/2 to 2 times the finished width or they will curl outwards & look stiff. To make the guaged or whipgathered ruffles: The method involves folding or rolling the hem as narrow as you can make it, 3/32 of an inch or less, and whipping the hemming thread around catching in the entire roll as you put the needle into the very edge of the inner side of the hem. Take several of these stitches, and then pull gently. The fabric will roll itself into a finely guaged, finished edge. After the entire ruffle is hemmed, even out the gathers to match the edge of the garment where they will be applied. Beginning at one end, attach the whipped gathers to the edge, putting one stitch into each gather. Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 02:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S71xh2030421 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:01:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S71JZj018066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S713IR016247; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:01:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S710b0016139 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022807005001200rqlupe>; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:00:50 +0000 Message-ID: <01b901c51d63$3ef2e240$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: costume gallery open access Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:00:54 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Your welcome Cynthia. I hope you enjoy it! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 04:09:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1S99sgR000429 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1S994Zj024010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S98ofV093566; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:08:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1S98l0Q093481 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:08:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be99.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.153]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 588155EE09A for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:08:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:08:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. Here are two examples of different dresses. The first is a Brunnswick dress. Some people claim that a Brunswick only is a jacket, but it is a dress also. This type was very popular in Denmark and Germany, perhaps because it would have ben very nice warm for winter use.Next looks like a francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. Other types are: Bodice and skirt in many variations, included paniers. Round Gown, wich looks like a bodice and skirt, but it is a 1 piece garment. Piemontaise wich is a dress that looks like a francaise dress, only the pleats in the back hangs free. Mantua and skirt. One type also is a seperate skirt and a bodice with tabs wich rest on the skirt edge. Tabs are not boned, but soft. Closed with a stomacher. But i think why people think there are very few types, are that only few are reproduced. People love the pleats in a francaise dress and makes it frequently. One thing i was very dissapointed with was the film Aristocrats where nearly every dress in the start was a francaise dress. Here are the examples: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pusling1.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 06:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SBOUgU030966 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:24:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SBN7Zj009163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SBMt3i074011; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SBMZlv073840 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005022811222901200rqgm8e>; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:22:29 +0000 Message-ID: <024901c51d87$ccd4b650$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:22:34 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Last day X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j1SBOUgU030966 Status: RO Today is the last day to access our Library for free. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Goodbye folks - I'm having to unsubscribe again due to the list being too high-traffic for me to have time to keep up with it. My e-mail access is at work and, not unreasonably, they object to me spending too much time on personal e-mail stuff. I can't keep up just during my breraks ad coming in early/leaving late is an option I can go so far with. I'll miss the listfolks but I don't really ahve any other options. I have to cut back my perosnal email activities and h-cost and LiveJournal are the biggest time-wells I'm involved with. Best of luck with all your costuming stuff, and thanks for all the help and advice over the years. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, Part time Knave, Creature of Air and Darkness and Hairdresser of Death, apparently) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 07:58:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SCwBgI031338 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:58:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SCvXZj020454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SCvUjr033323; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SCvR59033270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 05:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1SCnxov003659 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:49:59 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:49:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42231535.8050208@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:57:25 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bye & LJ References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bye, Teddy! See you again when you can manage it! (If anyone is curious, I'm cvirtue on Live Journal.) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:03:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SD3w3a031399 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:03:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SD3KZj020739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SD3G4Z037149; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SD3DcY037027 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A68721D2001E; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:03:03 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Feb 05 13:03:01 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c51d96$03cb9260$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:04:17 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This fusing might work...but still a lot of intensive labor! The "guy" who persuaded me to do his Landschneker brought me plain old canvas in several colors which he intended me to use, binding the slits with tape! Each section of the costume was to feature a different color. Sigh I suggested he might get his mother to do that part. He wanted to incorporate the various styles of 'venting', also. Each arm and leg had its own pattern. Sure swore me off doing that period again! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waack" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 > The guy I'm making the outfit for STILL hasn't decided what material > (grrrrr). I'm steering him towards wool - if I remember right, cutting wool > on the bias would not need finishing. > > Another thought: cut out the sleeve, cut out a piece to line it, and cut > out a piece of very light fusible interfacing. pin the facing and sleeve > right sides together with the interfacing between. Mark slashes, stitch > around, and slach. Then, carefully, cut the material in sorta-squares > around each slash. Turn everything in. Iron. The interfacing should hold > the facing to the inner sleeve, the slashes would be finished. > > Opinions? > > > I am now embarking on a Landsknechts outfit, which involves multiple > > slashes. Any ideas out there for how to finish multiple slashes on > > sleeves? > > What materials will you be using? Some materials don't need to be finished > at all, especially when the slashes are cut on the bias, and the consensus > among researchers seems to be that a lot of those slashes weren't > finished--at most, they would have been treated with something like gum > arabic (medieval fray-check). > > If your material or your personal taste dictates that the slashes must be > finished, you can cut your sleeve such that the 'slashes' are actually > spaces between narrow strips of finished fabric that run vertically down the > arm, and the unslashed portion of the sleeve are strips of fabric that run > horizontally around the arm, with the vertical strips sewn to the horizontal > ones on the back. Pickier, more time consuming options are > overcast/buttonhole/blanket stitch along the slashed edge or binding the > edges with something like silk ribbon. Another option, which is probably a > lot more time consuming than it's worth (as well as really hard to describe > in text) is to line the sleeve, and slash through both layers. On each > slash, you can finger press teeny tiny folded-in seam allowances into > existence (narrowing into nonexistence at the beginning and end of the > slash) then invisibly stitch the outer and inner fabrics together on each > side of the slash. This looks really great when done, and when worn you > can't tell that the slashed areas curve out a bit on each edge. But oy, it's > a lot of work! =} > > -E House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:23:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDN6nf031569 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDMOZj021531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:22:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDLp0m004938; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDLLrA004304 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AAC73AFB00AC; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:11 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Feb 05 13:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c51d98$8cba9600$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <76.4dc9c5c9.2f53f329@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] gauging ruffles. Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:22:26 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Susannah. This is pretty much what I have been doing. The books you suggested are my constant companions. >From time to time, the question of "How Full" comes to mind when a customer brings me a (usually) commercial pattern. When the attitude of 'more is better', I have to insert my own aesthetic and assert command of the project. I will remember the sources you have suggested as a way to document the necessary changes. For such costumes, I am so glad I bought two sizes of rolled hem feet when I bought my sewing machine! I do the hand rolled stitching on my own things, but the customer gets theirs likewise only if they are willing to pay for such time. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] gauging ruffles. > There are great close-up pix of 18c gauged ruffles both on women's caps and > on men's shirts in _Fitting & Proper_ by Sharon Ann Burnston as well as Ellen > Gehret's _Rural Pennsylvania Clothing_. > The length of fabric required for the ruffle truly depends on what you want, > as well as the thickness of the fabric being ruffled. Extremely fine linens > were preferred for ruffles, finer than the body of the shirt or chemise > being so decorated. This enabled more fabric to be used for the ruffles as the > finer fabrics collapse more densely & crisply than thicker ones, providing a > very full but flat, malleable ruffle (as opposed to stiff and puffy, which is > what you get if you use a normal shirt-weight linen to do the ruffles). You > can use anywhere from 1 1/2 times the finished width to up to 4 times (see > the shirt in Burnston's book). Generally, the finer the fabric the more fabric > you can use. For thicker fabrics I wouldn't use much over 1 1/2 to 2 times > the finished width or they will curl outwards & look stiff. > To make the guaged or whipgathered ruffles: The method involves folding or > rolling the hem as narrow as you can make it, 3/32 of an inch or less, and > whipping the hemming thread around catching in the entire roll as you put the > needle into the very edge of the inner side of the hem. Take several of these > stitches, and then pull gently. The fabric will roll itself into a finely > guaged, finished edge. After the entire ruffle is hemmed, even out the > gathers to match the edge of the garment where they will be applied. Beginning at > one end, attach the whipped gathers to the edge, putting one stitch into each > gather. > > Best regards, > Susannah > Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring > _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:24:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDOkJn031587 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:24:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDO0Zj021657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDNxJY006404; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1SDNbAQ006090 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 13:23:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050228131935.014b3b50@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:21:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bye & LJ In-Reply-To: <42231535.8050208@thibault.org> References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bye Teddy (waves). Maybe see you at the next Medats meeting? Didn't even know you were on LJ - it's all new to me! Only been signed up about a month myself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:34:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDYf2w031659 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:34:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDXcZj022382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:33:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDXZJW013167; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDRKfC008403 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AC31296A00B0; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:27:13 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.118 ([209.131.81.118] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 28 Feb 05 13:27:12 -0000 Message-ID: <005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:28:28 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On the peach and green gown, is that a collar or a small hood? Wonderful examples. I hadn't seen these before. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century > Hi. > Here are two examples of different dresses. The first is a Brunnswick > dress. Some people claim that a Brunswick only is a jacket, but it is a > dress also. This type was very popular in Denmark and Germany, perhaps > because it would have ben very nice warm for winter use.Next looks like a > francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think > it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. > Other types are: > Bodice and skirt in many variations, included paniers. > Round Gown, wich looks like a bodice and skirt, but it is a 1 piece garment. > Piemontaise wich is a dress that looks like a francaise dress, only the > pleats in the back hangs free. > Mantua and skirt. > One type also is a seperate skirt and a bodice with tabs wich rest on the > skirt edge. Tabs are not boned, but soft. > Closed with a stomacher. > But i think why people think there are very few types, are that only few are > reproduced. People love the pleats in a francaise dress and makes it > frequently. > One thing i was very dissapointed with was the film Aristocrats where nearly > every dress in the start was a francaise dress. > > Here are the examples: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pusling1.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:51:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDpBbI031719 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDnxZj023422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:49:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDnuiv025067; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDns7N024818 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACD8319360 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:49:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42232179.4010502@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:49:45 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Teddy References: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bye! We will miss you! Big hug for you and Lizzy ;-) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:53:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDruje031729 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:53:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDrKZj023695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDrJGp027403; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDohXQ025572 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19556; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:02:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:02:56 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] In-Reply-To: <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Teddy wrote: > I'll miss the listfolks but I don't really ahve any other options. I > have to cut back my perosnal email activities and h-cost and LiveJournal > are the biggest time-wells I'm involved with. Teddy, can you post your LJ address so we can keep up with you? I need my regular Teddy fix! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 08:58:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SDwbJm031749 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:58:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SDvwZj023947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:57:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDvtRF030697; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SDvroX030514 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be99.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.153]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6880E47FEAE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:57:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000601c51d9d$904aa850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century > On the peach and green gown, is that a collar or a small hood? > Wonderful examples. I hadn't seen these before. > Kathleen Hi Kathleen, Yes it is a hood, and i have seen many portraits of ladies with this style of gown. I have photos of the back of this gown two, it ends in a pointed v in the back with a seam center back of the bodice. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 09:22:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SEMQer031850 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:22:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SELmZj025564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SELjlp047744; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SELgmZ047647 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:34 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:26 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO While I agree w/ Dawn's comparison of our stores to LA or NY, if you are stuck in KC Cy's, and Kaplan's, are not to bad. Both can be very pricey but Cy's has a sale table, and regular big sales several times a year. He has employed, over the years, several clerks who have done historic costume and they have been able to recommend types of fabric for him to look for on his buying trips. He also has the best button selection in town :). A store for good bargains, altho selection is hit & miss, is a little storefront in Overland Park (suburb of KC) called Abida's Fabric. Very small, selection limited, but if you find something you want chances are it will be a great buy. Catherine back from surgery and still trying to catchup on digests _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 10:04:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SF4TEA032109 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:04:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SF3bZj028584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SF36KV077576; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:CWmAtDSkSJ/QP5EO8SZ17mMJ1+Gn7bLh@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SF1UKr076483 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:01:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j1SF1JMP016850 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:01:23 -0500 Received: from 51-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.51]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:01:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49515.64.156.242.51.1109602883.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000601c51d9d$904aa850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras> <000601c51d9d$904aa850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:01:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Bjarne, Would you post a picture of the back of the gown, too? For the other gown on the page - what is unusual about it? It seemed to be fairly typical in style. Thanks! -Carol > Hi Kathleen, > Yes it is a hood, and i have seen many portraits of ladies with this style > of gown. > I have photos of the back of this gown two, it ends in a pointed v in the > back with a seam center back of the bodice. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 10:21:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SFLs06032174 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:21:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SFLDZj000437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SFL7lR091368; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SFL2nd091273 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be99.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.153]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B0045EE0BF for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002901c51da9$3402e290$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras><000601c51d9d$904aa850$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <49515.64.156.242.51.1109602883.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:21:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my previous post i wrote: Next looks like a francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. Ill try to get time tonight to post a backwiev of the hooded dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century > Hi Bjarne, > > Would you post a picture of the back of the gown, too? > > For the other gown on the page - what is unusual about it? It seemed > to be fairly typical in style. > > Thanks! > -Carol > > >> Hi Kathleen, >> Yes it is a hood, and i have seen many portraits of ladies with this >> style >> of gown. >> I have photos of the back of this gown two, it ends in a pointed v in the >> back with a seam center back of the bodice. >> >> Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 10:39:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SFdIhK032289 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SFcbZj002144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SFcVnv006179; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SFcQhO006039 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a6.3290c2a5 (3699) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:38:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.3290c2a5.2f5494eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:38:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Look at butterick's new costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/26/2005 2:52:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, athurman@gmail.com writes: Maybe better fabrics would improve it, but somehow I doubt most Halloween costumers are going to spring for good fabric, and most historic costumers I know CERTAINLY won't spend the money for good fabric on a pattern this poor - nor should they. Really. With all the tweaking one would have to do, you might as well get Arnold out and work up your own pattern. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 11:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SGPMOB032625 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:25:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SGOMZj006835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SGNSr2045732; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:23:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SGLtmo044436 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.50.91]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ICM00K2LQSDRU50@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:21:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:27:18 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" In-reply-to: <200502281521.j1SFL8Ub091377@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <42234666.2070600@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200502281521.j1SFL8Ub091377@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 137: Bye Teddy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Take care, hope to "see" you again sometime. If you haven't completely disappeared what is you live journal link or can anyone else direct me to it? Jeanine in MA h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:33:09 +0000 > From: Teddy > Subject: [h-cost] > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > <8AFF1656DE4AB348973023624E8F4019792937@MDX-CLX-DC1.uni.mdx.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Goodbye folks - I'm having to unsubscribe again due to the list being > too high-traffic for me to have time to keep up with it. > > My e-mail access is at work and, not unreasonably, they object to me > spending too much time on personal e-mail stuff. > > I can't keep up just during my breraks ad coming in early/leaving late > is an option I can go so far with. > > I'll miss the listfolks but I don't really ahve any other options. I > have to cut back my perosnal email activities and h-cost and LiveJournal > are the biggest time-wells I'm involved with. > > Best of luck with all your costuming stuff, and thanks for all the help > and advice over the years. > > Teddy > (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, Part time Knave, Creature of Air and > Darkness and Hairdresser of Death, apparently) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 12:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SH0stn000375 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SH07Zj011014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SH02LJ080993; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SGxVA2080382 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28884 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:59:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200502281659.KAA28884@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Butterick pattern Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:59:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUdBAMoaHM0LSM6Sw+Z5rX0m5TBEwAscCog In-Reply-To: <006401c51d03$d7bfdd30$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, I got a look at the latest Butterick Catalog to check out this pattern. The large picture on the Costume section "title" page shows enough of the gown bodice to show that it was constructed like a modern bodice, darts and all. The sleeves are modern too, just above the elbow with ruffles. A real shame since Butterick went to the bother of doing a pretty authentic underpinnings pattern set(sold separately)with stays, pocket hoops, pockets and petticoat. Hope Martha McCain does a pattern for Simplicity of this "French court dress" or other 18th c gowns down the road. Sophia Coppola is doing a film with Kirsten Dunst as Marie Antoinette, based on the Antonia Fraser biography, "Marie Antoinette: The Journey" which will surely create a demand for authentic 18th century costumes. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 13:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SIGolI000966 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SIFtZj020182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SIFOhJ052671; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j1SIFEpK052443 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90987 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2005 18:15:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20050228181509.90985.qmail@web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30109.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:15:09 PST Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200502260120.j1Q1KALq070779@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Cin wrote: > My goodness their rendition on the package is horrifying! I'm also > amused that while the yardage chart recommends ~6 yds for the size > skirt, the metric chart requires only ~7 centimeters. > --cin Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that bad? Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? Dawn Horrifying is not the word that came to my mind first. Appalling is. I'm not in the costumer category on this list, but I don't think it works as a costume. It's just icky. I do know about the more accurate historical garments. It doesn't work as a historical garment. not very much about it seems to be accurate. It doesn't even fit into my category of ....Well if I can get the pattern for 1.99, maybe I can do something with it..... The package of accessories that you need to go with it , skirt,stays, pockets etc. might have some utility. Mia Dappert in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 13:38:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SIc20E001051 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:38:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SIZuZj022739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:35:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SIZptM071778; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:35:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SIZmCS071658 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:35:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.27.6ce7059e (3699) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27.6ce7059e.2f54be78@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:35:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/28/2005 12:01:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brujne@creighton.edu writes: "Marie Antoinette: The Journey" which will surely create a demand for authentic 18th century costumes. Well, for 18th century-like gowns. Maybe not so authentic. [Even if the gowns in the film are right on the money] I mean....did "Dangerous Liaisons" create such a demand? Would that it had! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 14:17:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SJHxaI001263 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SJGnZj027410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SJGddF006328; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SJGaGU006284 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA1B40604 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DC645395D; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:16:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCI24TAAWQqgEAAAAB,60d1820a04561b470840388ce783871d Message-Id: <20050228191635.DC645395D@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got back on the list and was so glad to see you back on it as well and now you are leaving again. I do so enjoy your posts. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Robin Netherton wrote: From: Robin Netherton Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:02:56 -0600 (CST) To: Teddy Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Teddy wrote: > I'll miss the listfolks but I don't really ahve any other options. I > have to cut back my perosnal email activities and h-cost and LiveJournal > are the biggest time-wells I'm involved with. Teddy, can you post your LJ address so we can keep up with you? I need my regular Teddy fix! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 18:10:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SNALvK003091 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SN9GZj022928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:09:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SN90M7028694; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SN8u4i028567 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c6.23db1bb5 (25305) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.23db1bb5.2f54fe7d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/28/2005 7:47:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Teddy@mdx.ac.uk writes: My e-mail access is at work and, not unreasonably, they object to me spending too much time on personal e-mail stuff. Well, Teddy, there is a cure for that--get access at home. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 18:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SNIbHD003130 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:18:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SNHWZj023716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:17:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SNHSgC036079; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:17:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SNHQbe035943 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a8.3270f0cb (25305) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.3270f0cb.2f55007b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:17:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:16:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline They have some other nice things, but why do people persist in calling a fabric that is only 12% silk, "silk velvet'? NOT! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 18:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SNLlh6003151 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1SNKxZj024008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SNKwCo039070; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SNKu4Y038976 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.cd.22f502af (25305) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:20:47 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:20:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:04:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: http://dollarfabric.com I wish they gave fiber contents. At $24.95 a yard, I wonder if the "silk brocade" is all silk. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 19:08:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2108dxv003388 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21075Zj028317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:07:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2107091080211; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2106rDF080102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j1SNxOov012767 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:59:24 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:59:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4223B21B.9080008@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:06:51 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > http://dollarfabric.com > I wish they gave fiber contents. At $24.95 a yard, I wonder if the "silk > brocade" is all silk. It's probably not any silk. The ecclesiastical stuff is often rayon -- there's a russian orthodox online fabric store which calls it silk, but it's only if you email them that you find out that they really mean "synthetic silk." -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 19:12:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j210CpnN003406 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j210BCZj028753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j210AV5v083334; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:10:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j210AA34083022 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-25022); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:10:09 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:10:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050228160916.00d904b0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:10:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 06:20 PM 2/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:04:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: > >http://dollarfabric.com > > >I wish they gave fiber contents. At $24.95 a yard, I wonder if the "silk >brocade" is all silk. > >Ann Wass Yes. If you click on the picture, then scroll down, it states that it is 100% silk. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 20:18:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j211IDBp003803 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:18:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j211HIZj004747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j211H8hn033974; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j211H2WU033861 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.15b.4bbd1e79 (4320) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.4bbd1e79.2f551c7d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:16:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/28/2005 7:12:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: Yes. If you click on the picture, then scroll down, it states that it is 100% silk. Thanks--that's a decent price, if true. 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