From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 28 21:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j212ltHq004195 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j212fHZj010458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j212duGh082198; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web20225.mail.yahoo.com (web20225.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j212dsc4082169 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 93806 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 02:39:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20050301023954.93804.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.92] by web20225.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:39:54 EST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:39:54 +1100 (EST) From: Bella To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <15b.4bbd1e79.2f551c7d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Italian showcase costume/costumer for March X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all, it is time for me to announce the March Italian Showcase costumer. 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Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 09:09:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21E9g2s007548 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21E8TZj011786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21E8ITU027338; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21E8GLc027074 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id DCB9C206B7; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust114.tnt1.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.148.114]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2175E2064E for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <057401c51e68$2fe05430$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <15b.4bbd1e79.2f551c7d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oooooh, another fabric store online.... Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:08:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Check each one, though--I looked at their silks, and some of them were ~70% rayon/30% silk. Plenty were 100%, though, so yeah, some decent prices. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 10:23:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21FNYCY007958 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21FMWZj017786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FMSYp083725; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FMQqO083687 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D69Cb-0006q2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:22:25 -0800 Message-ID: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:22:51 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need a source for this kind of dupioni X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi guys, I need a source for some black and silver striped dupioni which looks very much like this: http://tinyurl.com/5m3fx I have tried to contact this supplier to no avail. Anyone seen anything like it? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 11:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21G95Qj012629 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21G7iZj022493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21G7aAb023806; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21G77SQ023468 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.187] (p27.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.187]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21G4a719308 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:04:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:14:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oscars X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. She certainly has the body for it. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 11:44:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Gi1vk012988 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:44:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Gh5Zj026962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21GgtM4057070; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Ggpux056913 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.64.4ff57ca2 (4012) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I thought Cate Blanchett's dress was elegant, but didn't think the pale yellow color was particularly flattering--too monochromatic. And I heard a radio reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. I always look forward to the supermarket tabloid "Star" issue that shows many of the dresses, although I don't necessarily agree with their assessment of what was a winner and what was a loser. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:03:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21H3gtI013091 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21H2lZj029553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H1b0O073512; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H0m2k072688 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.196] (p36.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.196]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21GwI723088 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:58:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> References: <64.4ff57ca2.2f55f581@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I didnt think the color was flattering either and I didn't like the purple or brown, whatever it was, belt. On Mar 1, 2005, at 9:42 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? > > > I thought Cate Blanchett's dress was elegant, but didn't think the pale > yellow color was particularly flattering--too monochromatic. And I > heard a radio > reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. > > I always look forward to the supermarket tabloid "Star" issue that > shows > many of the dresses, although I don't necessarily agree with their > assessment of > what was a winner and what was a loser. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:11:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HB4jQ013114 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:11:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HAIZj000343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HAD5l081067; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H3uNL075741 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.114] (pm7-114.eos.net [205.133.149.114]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j21H3ptH007938 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:58:03 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503011649.j21Gnj15063233@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: oscar fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I had no interest in the Oscars this year. What a slate of movies! Who could really care? I watched for about half an hour in the middle, but not even the gowns could hold my interest. During the half hour I watched, I saw Beyonce in that long black dress. All right, I suppose, except for all the tin cans she was wearing as jewelry :-) So I will look for one of the tabloids to cover the dresses and take a peek then. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:24:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HOTbo013180 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:24:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HNXZj002304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HNRuS093275; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HNNj3093185 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26555 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Thread-Index: AcUeeSFjryaQjOwRQZ+fGZkNQTCz2wAB40Ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a broken foot?). Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:24:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HOov6013185 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HF3cf000798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H6V8I077722; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H3kIX075562 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22906 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:03:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:03:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcUecs6HY/iyaKGWThae77OFl0pSsQAC+Zkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. Does anyone know of anyone out there that carries such reproduction fabric in cotton or silk? Fabric with a small interwoven pattern, like a floral stripe or brocade in an 18th c pattern would also be great. Many thanks Cindy Abel brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:25:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HP8Mv013190 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HF3cd000798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H7pnc078878; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21H7Zgu078616 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26555 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:07:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Thread-Index: AcUeeSFjryaQjOwRQZ+fGZkNQTCz2wAB40Ug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a broken foot?). Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:30:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HUZM7013217 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:30:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HTgZj002994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HTdRo098799; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21HTXlR098666 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 17:29:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050301172550.014b4460@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:27:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric In-Reply-To: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> References: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:03 01/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > > Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls >designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic >costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns >designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my >copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However >I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century >fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE >and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown >the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they >drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines >of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry >shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. Does anyone know of anyone out there >that carries such reproduction fabric in cotton or silk? Fabric with a small >interwoven pattern, like a floral stripe or brocade in an 18th c pattern >would also be great. Nothing as fancy as the cherry stripe, but some pretty small prints nevertheless. And a really helpful lady. http://www.littletrimmings.com/FabricsMenu.asp Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:46:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Hk8pP013355 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:46:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Hj2Zj004715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HivXG011935; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HhlPb010884 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.105.5bbaefd1 (4402) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <105.5bbaefd1.2f5603c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 12:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: And I > heard a radio > reporter describe it as "strapless"--it was one shoulder. On AOL....via Entertainment Weekly...they decried Johnny Depp's spats. No spats in sight...nada, nicht, none. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 12:50:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21HosVx013395 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:50:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Hj4ed004719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:50:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HfJct008943; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21HfGev008838 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail12.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.152]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBCKLKMAQV7VJ2 for (sender ); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn75i13zBYbQmLKekSVq3EJ2dtN7jt+YYeig== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KL2ABG7J; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:40:09 PST Received: from [4.158.21.221] by webmail12.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:39:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.158.21.221] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "seamstrix@juno.com" X-UOL-SENDER: penhalion@juno.com Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:39:44 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050301.094009.1265.11871@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3137793496 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought Hillary Swank's dress was amazing and fabulous. It was far more subtle than just having it cut down to 'there' in front. I loved the sapphire blue color and I loved the daring plunge it took in the back in contrast to the rather more demure front. It was perfectly designed to show off her body. I thought that Helen Mirren had a lovely dress as well, although you didn't get to see as much of it since she didn't win. I lked Imelda Staunton's emerald green number with the tea length front and train in back, unusual and, on her, very flattering. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:10:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JAYIE014433 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21J9EZj014507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21J8nst085405; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21J8I3O084984 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:08:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.c4.22252dbc (4402) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:08:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. Stupid me! I was thinking of Renee Zellweger's red dress... not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the front; trashy in the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:19:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JJaZG014520 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JF9d3015245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Iq6wp070127; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Iq2XQ069993 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.54]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050301185157.BEWX1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the match to her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to get a better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle Eastern dance gown. Sheridan http://www.ctv.ca/mini_v2/oscars2005/static/galleries/red_carpet/index.html To see the picture, click on the last star on the right, in the 4th row. If you right click the picture it should give you a zoom option. You can see the fabric puckering along the seam near the beads. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars > > > I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few years. > Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, but > different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in back(or > was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing with a > broken foot?). > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:20:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JJw43014524 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:20:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JIxZj016056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JHCZg092332; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21J9q8g086233 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55832 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 19:09:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lC5mSn4V975o34dfP344kq8FmPKtJn6y2QATXkfRGIWea+z4ExS+47XvfZT0SDwgMeuIlnVF4v/9whln8eTCvQN0j44lAcSDP411YQzZAdBSlxIUJNcgXaK4cRFhUOuKRSYYm36kfoJrJPP3MCDRhKyQyuJQ1jUbEGjgxdjA+1k= ; Message-ID: <20050301190946.55830.qmail@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:09:46 PST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Cindy, Try here: www.reproductionfabrics.com or you can also try www.ghostforge.com. Really nice folk but a bit slow on delivery sometimes. Chris G. Cindy Abel wrote: Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. 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Mail SpamGuard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:28:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JSLAT014581 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JMPZj016634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JMN9Z096841; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JFNxb090803 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.17] (p01.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.17]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21JCsU00899 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:12:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:22:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. On Mar 1, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the > match to > her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to > get a > better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle > Eastern > dance gown. > > Sheridan > > http://www.ctv.ca/mini_v2/oscars2005/static/galleries/red_carpet/ > index.html > > To see the picture, click on the last star on the right, in the 4th > row. If > you right click the picture it should give you a zoom option. You can > see > the fabric puckering along the seam near the beads. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy Abel" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Oscars > > >> >> >> I kind of like it, but it is really going to look dated in a few >> years. >> Melanie Griffith really got attacked for a dress with a equally low, >> but >> different back--but I think there might have been sheer fabric in >> back(or >> was that skin wrinkling up with the weight she's put on while dealing >> with > a >> broken foot?). >> >> Cindy Abel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:29:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JT1Pd014588 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:29:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JR0Zj017182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JPiEc099378; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:26:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JLMmV096094 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6Cvp-00010z-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <2193582.1109704881858.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:21:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What was with the wide popularity of the "mermaid" skirt? (I'm sure it has another name, but you know what I mean I'm sure.) At least one of the women presenters, can't remember who, was clearly having trouble walking in hers. Definitely a hobble around the knees--thought Women's Liberation included liberation from the inability to run away! Best outfit=Morgan Freeman's tux with long scarf. He looked like the relaxed and stylish gentleman he seems to be. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Mar 1, 2005 2:08 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. Stupid me! I was thinking of Renee Zellweger's red dress... not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the front; trashy in the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:35:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JZ5wB014648 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JYCZj017869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JXMWp005705; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JWiIo005114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j21JPDov021723 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:25:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:25:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:32:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars/nude fabric References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes > and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. I think probably 99% of the people watching won't realize it's fabric. They're likely thinking "is it going to fall off?" "Is it glued on?" The vicarious thrill, y'know. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 14:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21JjKpA014695 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21JhvZj019054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JhreL014672; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JhnSX014611 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.36] (p20.3c01.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.36]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j21JfJU03904 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:41:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars/nude fabric Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:50:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could tell it was fabric when you saw the back up close because it wrinkled. And I'm sure a lot of people saw her up close before the show and at the parties. I just think it looks really cheap. On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> I hate that nude spandex look. It reminds me of ice skating costumes >> and I don't see any purpose at all in using it for evening dresses. > > I think probably 99% of the people watching won't realize it's fabric. > They're likely thinking "is it going to fall off?" "Is it glued on?" > The vicarious thrill, y'know. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 15:40:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21KeYO9015076 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21FFtZj017042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FFhOd078263; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21FFfOV078239 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6964-0004Pl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:15:40 -0800 Message-ID: <42248737.3080804@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:16:07 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone ever touched silk Zibeline? References: <1a8.3270f0cb.2f55007b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a8.3270f0cb.2f55007b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lots of people do this. One of the ladies at Hyena (Sorry, I know some of you like them) went as far as to tell me that 100% silk velvet didn't really exist so it was justifiable to call rayon/silk velvet pure silk! Grrrrrr! AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:16:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: > >http://www.fabrics.net/outlet/fabrics.asp?ProductType=Silk+Zibeline > > >They have some other nice things, but why do people persist in calling a >fabric that is only 12% silk, "silk velvet'? NOT! > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 16:51:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21Lp5Ti015676 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Lo2Zj003432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Lnomp021979; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tombstone.b.org.nz (qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [202.49.254.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21LnkDt021874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gold@where.else.net.nz) Received: (qmail 9503 invoked by uid 1057); 1 Mar 2005 21:49:42 -0000 Received: from 203.79.122.104 by tombstone (envelope-from , uid 71) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (clamdscan: 0.80/599. spamassassin: 3.0.1. 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(gold@203.79.122.104) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 21:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4224E373.5020905@where.else.net.nz> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:49:39 +1300 From: Melissa Brown Muckart User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> In-Reply-To: <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found a site with some pics of Melanie Griffith's dress: http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800018809&cf=pg&photoid=563513&intl=us Sheridan, if you click on next and previous photos you'll see at least two shots that feature the back of her dress. Not exactly understated, was it? Shane & Sheridan wrote: > Melanie Griffiths dress had nude coloured fabric in the back, the match to > her skin tone was very good. I'm looking for more pictures of it to get a > better look, elements of this dress would suit a ball gown or Middle Eastern > dance gown. > > Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 17:53:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j21MrHWO016154 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21Mp3Zj011615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21MnLxN074216; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts8.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21MmfOG073553 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.206.252]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050301224829.FSPK1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c51eb1$83a68460$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu><003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> <4224E373.5020905@where.else.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:53:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Brown Muckart" > I found a site with some pics of Melanie Griffith's dress: > > http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800018809&cf=pg&photoid=563513&intl=us > > Sheridan, if you click on next and previous photos you'll see at least > two shots that feature the back of her dress. > > Not exactly understated, was it? Nope, which is what made me think it would be perfect for a stage outfit. :-) Thanks! Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 19:58:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j220wRiZ016979 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j220vIZj025028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j220uqnl072208; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j220uk3N072085 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030200564001100sv72fe>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:56:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01c51ec2$b5d15210$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2193582.1109704881858.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:56:46 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What the press is calling the mermaid dress, is an hour-glass dress with a fantail. The bottom of the dress is the fantail.... think of a fantail goldfish. Mae West made this look fashionable in Hollywood. I liked the fantail when I saw the first couple of stars wearing it. But the look was worn by so many ladies, it became boring by the end of the pre-show. I liked Natalie Portman's Greek Goddess look. She can wear older styles and look wonderful. She is into vintage clothing and wears it frequently. I also loved Hilary's gown for being different and it hugged her body. It really showed what a great figure she has. I had to laugh when she was on Oprah yesterday. Someone on the red carpet told her that the crack of her butt was showing. On camera, Chad, her husband, checked and fixed the problem, while Hillary front was to the camera. When I saw Charlize's gown, it screamed 50s prom dresses. I always hated the rows and rows of net ruffles used in that manner. Even the bodice was 1950s prom. To complete the 50s look, she needed more of a crinoline petticoat in the front of the skirt. I think of all the gowns, I disliked hers the least. The only other dress that I disliked was Melanie Griffith. Her dress was much like her face... over-done. I can see her looking like Joan Rivers in 20 years. Kate's dress was a nice style, but I agree with Ann Wass, the color was wrong for her. Mentioning color, Renee needs to go back to being a blonde or brown hair. My husband walked into the room and said, "That girl needs some iron tablets. She looks sickly." Renee is too fair skinned to have jet black hair. I loved Emmy (from Phantom) and Beyonce looks. They were so classy. Star Jones had the best jewels. Her headpiece and necklace were stunning. I love the pearls mixed with jewels. BTW, the press reported that one of the ladies was wearing vintage Versace.... how is Versace vintage? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 22:08:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2238oWw017684 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22382Zj003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2237R3n047990; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2237NBD047860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j224JgbB024504 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:19:42 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:07:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503012207.17563.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 March 2005 11:14 am, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I seem > to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. She certainly has the body > for it. Over the past 10 years I have seen very, very few dresses from the Academy Awards that I wholeheartedly liked. (The last one I remember was from when Halle Berry won a few years back--the full plum skirt with cabbage roses over illusion net number). Swank's gown was much more attractive than average, but I thought the back opening was just a bit too wide to be graceful or attractive. Otherwise, her gown had a lot going for it. And Cate Blanchett should never, ever wear bright yellow judging by her dress. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 1 22:41:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j223ftIs017892 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j223fFZj006094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j223fBO2068821; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j223f9uY068762 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc.vaxxine.com (ppp231.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.231]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j223ertU009155 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:41:06 -0500 (EST) X-RCPT-To: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20050301221838.00adff00@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@vaxxine.com@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:45:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century-Brunswick image In-Reply-To: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On page 175 of Stella Tillyard's "Aristocrats: the illustrated companion to the television series" there is a reproduction of a painting of Lady Mary Fox in a grey/blue? Brunswick c. 1767. The 18th century version of the "hoodie"! Self-fabric trimming is as equally elaborate as in the other styles of the period, such as the sack. I can't see this variation ever becoming popular at North American reenactments when most events take place in the summer when the average temperature is over 90 F. or 30 C. It's high-necked - higher than the version in Bjarne's picture - up to the base of the throat - so the wearer couldn't show off "the girls", which appears to be a preoccupation with many ladies. The painting definitely shows the line of the top of stays underneath, though. The costumes for the series seem mediocre and lots of the factoids are wrong, but some excellent images in the book if you find it in the remainder bin. Sheridan Alder At 10:08 AM 2/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. >Here are two examples of different dresses. The first is a Brunnswick >dress. Some people claim that a Brunswick only is a jacket, but it is a >dress also. This type was very popular in Denmark and Germany, perhaps >because it would have ben very nice warm for winter use.Next looks like a >francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think >it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. >Other types are: >Bodice and skirt in many variations, included paniers. >Round Gown, wich looks like a bodice and skirt, but it is a 1 piece garment. >Piemontaise wich is a dress that looks like a francaise dress, only the >pleats in the back hangs free. >Mantua and skirt. >One type also is a seperate skirt and a bodice with tabs wich rest on the >skirt edge. Tabs are not boned, but soft. >Closed with a stomacher. >But i think why people think there are very few types, are that only few >are reproduced. People love the pleats in a francaise dress and makes it >frequently. >One thing i was very dissapointed with was the film Aristocrats where >nearly every dress in the start was a francaise dress. > >Here are the examples: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pusling1.htm > > >Bjarne > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 00:19:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j225JeFP018308 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j225IjZj013126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j225IYXF023345; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j225ISNl023182 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole ([203.214.147.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j225HgJ9003378 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:18:10 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c51ee6$e42ea260$1593d6cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:20:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm reproducing the "polonaise gown with the back cut en fourreau" on page 36-37 of Patterns of Fashion 1. I've started my corset and expect to be finished within the next week or so but according to the notes the dress is supposed to be fitted over a 'false rump' so does anybody know of a good (online) pattern for this? I can't afford to import patterns so it's got to be 'big 3' or easy to draft on my own. I assume it isn't the same crescent shape used by Elizabethan costumers as it essentially only supposed to widen the hips at the sides but not add to the back. Although the originals are apparently stuffed with cork I assume padding with something softer would work as well? Or could I get away with not wearing a bum roll, given that I have natural padding there instead :) thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. 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Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 01:16:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j226GVCX018515 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:16:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j226FFZj016526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226F99j054627; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226F66v054525 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.dc.214e538a (3890) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:14:55 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: rump' so does anybody know of a good (online) pattern for this? C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. In Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume, on page 27, she has a pattern. The crescent is 4" deep CB. It is 5 1/2 wide from CB to the outermost part of the curve. To plot it, draw a rectangle 5 1/2" wide and 8" tall. Grid it in 1" squares. Put a point 2" in from the right side at the top. Now a point on the right side 3" down. Now one 6" down and 1" left from the right side. One 7" down and 2" left, and finally one at the bottom left corner. Draw a curve connecting these. This is the outside curve, The inside curve starts at the same top point [2" left of the right side], then goes thru a point 3" down and 3" left, then ends at a point all the way to the left side 4" down. This is the right half of the full crescent shape of the pad. [You cut two full crescents and sew them and stuff them like a pillow.] This sounds complicated but it's not. You'll get it at once when you start plotting points. You may want to enlarge it or curve it more to suit your taste, but you don't really need a pattern. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 01:52:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j226q2bX018680 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j226oeZj018332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226oSN1071969; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao08.cox.net (lakermmtao08.cox.net [68.230.240.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226oPNc071898 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:50:18 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050227183953.014b3808@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcUc/P6sSxreapyqRBqK7RTjmAlczgB9pf2w Message-Id: <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I use an iron-on interfacing, "sta-flex" here, and just cut the slashes >where I want them. I have also used Fraycheck. You can see slashed sleeves >(doublet and breeches too) on my website - these were done with sta-flex. >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=fantasy_ramirez_katana.jpg >Suzi Hi Suzi, Does this mean that you can just cut the slashes and not have to do any other finishing around each one? Thanks, Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 02:05:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2275T13020194 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:05:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2274vZj018834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2274rjC079135; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out-mail10.yourhostingaccount.com (mail2.yourhostingaccount.com [38.113.1.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2274pnG079118 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SRS0=7cO+CU=RM=grapeleafpatterns.com=jreed@yourhostingaccount.com) Message-Id: <200503020704.j2274pnG079118@net.indra.com> Received: from scan01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.231] helo=scan01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mail10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0000C3-N3 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] ident=exim) by scan01.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0001LN-It for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.156] helo=authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D6Nuc-0001LK-Cx for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 Received: from wbar1.sea1-4-5-021-208.sea1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.5.21.208] helo=random) by authsmtp02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1D6Nub-0000vM-VI for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:04:50 -0500 From: "Jaedyn" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:04:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000201c51ee6$e42ea260$1593d6cb@ewalpole> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUe5+xCgHCGQgwYQ9ucNoeb+T9e3gADepnA X-UserInfo: 063161efdcd54e4332a0dd3f43c99766:6f0d78befc2f1b39f5a2bb04339ac068 X-User: jreed@grapeleafpatterns.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You could also pad the pleats if you weren't into sewing the crescent form. Check Drea Leed's Elizabethan costuming page and you'll find a pattern there I think. You can enlarge it to suit the period. Jaedyn ---------------------- Grape Leaf Patterns http://www.grapeleafpatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 04:22:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j229MIfj021527 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 04:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j229LPZj000747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j229LE2R051670; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j229L7eQ051495 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 09:20:51 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050302091316.014b4468@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:18:57 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 In-Reply-To: <20050302065018.FWSM18351.lakermmtao08.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050227183953.014b3808@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:48 02/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >I use an iron-on interfacing, "sta-flex" here, and just cut the slashes > >where I want them. I have also used Fraycheck. You can see slashed sleeves > >(doublet and breeches too) on my website - these were done with sta-flex. > > >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=fantasy_ramirez_katana.jpg > > >Suzi > >Hi Suzi, > >Does this mean that you can just cut the slashes and not have to do any >other finishing around each one? >Thanks, Anne Yes, depending on the fabric. I did the one on the web site with no finishing, but the recent copy I made wasn't so friendly, which is when I used fraycheck. Good quality cotton dress velvet is fine, but the rayon velvet isn't so good. If you want you can use Fraycheck, or you can also use diluted PVA glue, which I have used on 18th pinked hems. You just have to watch that the colour doesn't run - the rayon did run, but didn't affect the finish. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:02:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22A2oQd001656 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22A0mZj007204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22A0jdF069857; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22A0WaV069750 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005030210002601200rptbje>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:00:26 +0000 Message-ID: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:00:29 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Great film photo site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j22A2oQd001656 Status: RO I found this great website with photos from recent movies, http://outnow.ch/movies/ . They have more photos than any other site I have found. Choose a movie then click on Media from the left menu... bilder is the movie photos. Once you click on a thumbnail and get the enlargement, look for an icon in the upper right hand corner. This will enlarge the photo again. If you try to print one of these X-large photos, make sure to do a print preview first. The images are larger than a standard sheet of paper. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:11:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22AB9f0002606 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22AAYZj008636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AAVrx075027; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AAUYS074954 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:10:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005030210102401200rsn51e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:10:26 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My goodness, look at this set from the film Alexander, http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/2004/Alexander/?i=movie%2E1%2F14%2Ejpg&w=1400&h=912&full=1&print=1 Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 05:20:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22AKtjN003820 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:20:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22AKOZj010405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AKLS1079896; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22AKKTI079814 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 03:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005030210201201400s62pue>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:20:12 +0000 Message-ID: <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:20:14 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found the master list of films, http://outnow.ch/archive/Movies/ . When you click on a title, scroll to the right and look for the word "bilder" or "bild" for a photo link. I am really enjoying these very large images. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:22:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CMFKC020370 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22CLMZj015331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CLEWk041083; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CLCM7040964 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7f.590079ff (17377) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:21:02 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 10:10:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: (The last one I remember was from when Halle Berry won a few years back--the full plum skirt with cabbage roses over illusion net number). Looked very elegant until you saw that her bosom were fully visible--not my idea of elegance or class!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:37:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CbaU4020454 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22CaqZj017010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CamLE049603; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22CaiVV049471 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A353463E0058; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:36:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Mar 05 12:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c51f24$a72daf80$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:37:50 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Heck, back in the primitive days when the look was what mattered for a NoBudget show, I used a leg from pantyhose and loosely stuffed a section big enough to fit to the sides, tied it in the middle. After knotting the end, I attached two ties and "voila!" It did look strange, but had the desired effect. (And another way to recycle) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > (online) pattern for this? > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. > > In Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume, on page 27, she has a pattern. The crescent > is 4" deep CB. It is 5 1/2 wide from CB to the outermost part of the curve. > > To plot it, draw a rectangle 5 1/2" wide and 8" tall. Grid it in 1" > squares. Put a point 2" in from the right side at the top. Now a point on the right > side 3" down. Now one 6" down and 1" left from the right side. One 7" down > and 2" left, and finally one at the bottom left corner. Draw a curve connecting > these. This is the outside curve, > > The inside curve starts at the same top point [2" left of the right side], > then goes thru a point 3" down and 3" left, then ends at a point all the way > to the left side 4" down. > > This is the right half of the full crescent shape of the pad. [You cut two > full crescents and sew them and stuff them like a pillow.] > > This sounds complicated but it's not. You'll get it at once when you start > plotting points. > > > You may want to enlarge it or curve it more to suit your taste, but you > don't really need a pattern. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 07:44:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22CiAru020487 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:44:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22ChbZj017384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22ChY3T053292; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22ChVQ7053239 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:43:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4ED45FE0046; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:43:25 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.113 ([209.131.81.113] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 2 Mar 05 12:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c51f25$9bb35780$715183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503020704.j2274pnG079118@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:44:29 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As to padding , I have been using the ubiquitous shoulder pads for this purpose (recycle-recycle-recycle) after recovering them with fabric to match the garment. Kathleen, who has a mammoth collection of cast off shoulderpads. At one time I considered making a whole gown of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaedyn" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > You could also pad the pleats if you weren't into sewing the crescent form. > Check Drea Leed's Elizabethan costuming page and you'll find a pattern there > I think. You can enlarge it to suit the period. > > > Jaedyn > > > > > ---------------------- > Grape Leaf Patterns > http://www.grapeleafpatterns.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 11:13:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22GD1Zu021771 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:13:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22GB0Zj002141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22GAY1i097727; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22GARBa097620 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:10:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10860 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:10:35 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1189.24.4.69.40.1109779825.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <00ed01c51f0e$aa555750$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <00fc01c51f10$0e658840$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <010901c51f11$6c90a110$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great film photo site From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I found the master list of films, http://outnow.ch/archive/Movies/ . When > you click on a title, scroll to the right and look for the word "bilder" > or > "bild" for a photo link. I am really enjoying these very large images. Just a hint for everyone regarding this website...Since it isn't American, the title of a movie you might be searching for could be different. If you look up the movie you are interested in using the Internet Movie Data Base (www.imdb.com), it will give you the alternative titles (mainly for diff. European countries) for a film. So if you can't find what the title you are looking for at first, give that a try and you might find it listed under a different title. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 11:57:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22GvUfN022316 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:57:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22GukZj007203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22Gueeu040469; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22GuaCT040275 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j22GuPsJ016002 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:56:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050302111408.04607a30@mail.webwarren.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:44:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j22GuaCT040275 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the moment, I'm listing these privately -- here and through the the swapsell, costumetrader, and garb4sale lists. Most are in fairly good condition, with little wear, though the dust jackets aren't in *perfect* shape. I've used Amazon to give an idea of the list-price-new and shipping weight where available. Shipping is not included in those prices. I'll accept offers privately. PayPal (through Frank) would be ideal, but will negotiate other payment methods if required. Caravaggio Catherine Puglisi (Phaidon, 1998, 2000) ISBN 0-7148-3966-3 Shipping weight 4.3 lb List price $39.99 Biography of Caravaggio with lots of good details of important paintings. Many rarely-seen paintings of both Caravaggio and other artists. Colour Library: Dürer Martin Bailey (Phaidon, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2001) ISBN 0-7148-3334-7 Shipping weight 1.2 lb list price $9.95 Lots of sketches and color plates. Heaven in Art Erika Langmuir (National Gallery, London/Watson-Guptill Publications (BPI Communications), New York, 1998) ISBN 0-8230-0334-5 Shipping weight 9.6 oz list price $3.98 13th-17th Centuries Italy (various), Flanders, Germany, Spain. Various artists. Images and details of a limited number of religious art works. Masterpieces of Western Art From the Gothic to the Present Day (A history of art in 900 individual studies) Ingo F. Walther, ed. (Taschen) 3-8228-7031-5 Shipping weight 9.4 lb list price $49.99 Most are half-page images of paintings. A lot of the usual crop, but some that don't appear everywhere. Italian Paintings of the Sixteenth Century (National Gallery Schools of Painting) Allan Braham (The National Gallery; Collins, 1985) ISBN 0-00-217402-2 16th Century Italy. Large plates of a limited number of paintings shown -- the volume is meant to be representative, not exhaustive. SHOWS SIGNS OF WEAR. Masters of German Art: Hans Holbein Stephanie Buck (Könemann, 1999) ISBN 3-8290-2583-1 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Lots of great details from important paintings Masters of Italian Art: Ghirlandaio Andreas Quermann (Könemann, 1998) ISBN 3-8290-0248-3 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Lots of great details from important paintings Masters of Netherlandish Art: Pieter Bruegel Christian Vöhringer (Könemann, 1999) ISBN 3-8290-2579-3 Shipping weight 3 lb list price ~$20 Bruegel the Elder and others Lots of engravings. Mixture of fantasy/phantasmagorical and real subjects. MISSING DUST JACKET. Paintings in the National Gallery, London Linda Whiteley, Augusto Gentili, William L. Barcham (Bulfinch Press , 2000) ISBN 821226959 Shipping weight 9.8 lb list price $135.00 Antiquity to 20th Cent., mostly European. Lots of large, good-quality plates suitable for detail work. STILL HAS ORIGINAL CORRUGATED CARTON The Prado Santiago Alcolea (Blanch Abradale Press/Harry N. 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(Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York/Arnoldo Mondadori Editore, Verona, 1977) ISBN 0-87099-164-7 Antiquity to 15th Cent. Ireland. Large color photos and plates, mostly ancient Irish and through the 8th-9th Centuries CONDITION: fair to "reading copy"; originally purchased second-hand. Extreme Beauty: The Body Transformed (hardbound) Harold Koda (The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2001) ISBN 0-300-09117-6 Shipping weight 2.9 lb List price $40.00 1600 to present, various countries. Large color photos of bodices, stays, puffed sleeves, petticoats, hoop skirts, etc. Some plates of corresponding paintings and engravings. Mostly OOP for SCA. Fashion in Detail - From the 17th and 18th Centuries (hardbound) Avril Hart and Susan North (Rizzoli International, 1998) ISBN 0-8478-2151-X Shipping weight 3.4 lb List price $60 (lowest price on Amazon is $80!) Detailed photos of under and outer garments, both in the whole and up-close mostly 1600-1800, mostly English A History of Beads From 30,000 BC to the Present, Concise Edition (paperback) Lois Sherr Dubin (Harry N. Abrams, New York, 1995) ISBN 0-8109-2617-2 Shipping weight 1.7 lb List price $19.95 Antiquity through present all over the globe. Large photos of beaded artworks. Photos, history, uses of beads. Most info OOP for SCA. Art of Embroidery: History of Style and Technique Lanto Synge (Royal School of Needlework/Antique Collectors' Club, Woodbridge, England, 2001) ISBN 1-85149-359-X Shipping weight 4.3 lb List price $89.50 (£45) Antiquity to 20th Cent. Various countries, mostly English Lots of color photos and descriptions. Wales: A History Gwynfor Evans (Barnes & Noble, 1996) ISBN 0-7607-0120-2 Celtic to 20th Century Wales. Translated from the Welsh (original title: Land of My Fathers, published 1974). VIRGIN: Prelude to the Throne Robin Maxwell (Scribner Paperback Fiction (Simon and Schuster), 2001) ISBN 0-7432-0485-9 Shipping weight 9.6 oz List price $12.00 Tudor England, period of Edward VI. Fictional account of Elizabeth's life under Thomas Seymour Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 13:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22IqVnD023702 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22Io8Zj018584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22InjQv033954; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22Indu6033802 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030218493401300qf818e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:49:34 +0000 Received: from [128.95.163.70] by 204.127.197.115; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:33 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books for sale Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:33 +0000 Message-Id: <030220051849.10354.42260ABD000A33170000287222007358340809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great idea! I'm moving will be posting books for sale this weekend. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 15:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22Ke102024434 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:40:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22KctZj029466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22KcWTU026120; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22KcQMi025938 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:38:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030220382001100svf89e>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:38:28 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. I have the old magazines for Oscar fashions. When I come across her photo, I will let you know. I do recall Gwenth's pink gown that was lovely and Julia R. black and white vintage Valentine gown was to die for. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 16:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22L2mvS024573 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22L26Zj002288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L1rkp046572; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:01:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41828.mail.yahoo.com (web41828.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.162]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22L1jND046403 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96581 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2005 21:01:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cx8eyc9GIVgpnYrQAqOP6zqg2gwTHNWjCJA6iAmUiR2qHq4rlGYrc3vdWzdJH6XIZz525X70GWocYxJgstY1e4DMPK1p7RIGlA2mZ+frdXxH4Aa2jOHgteS1JehfyLKZiZ4mPj/WmIu3K8VuGIXD0nIeUS+9kFWza4KcjiO6DBE= ; Message-ID: <20050302210139.96579.qmail@web41828.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41828.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:01:39 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002b01c51f24$a72daf80$715183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How imaginative and "kamakazi/gonzo" costuming was that! Tho necessatie has always been the mother of invention right? I remember reading about the ladies on the American Parairie using a lage tin can,both ends cut off,strung thru with cord and tied around the waist to make a bustle when there was no "Macy's West" to go to to get the right look. I am guilty of making paniers for my DD'd little Bo Peep cossie out of plastic grocery bags,stuffed with other bags clipping open the handles, and retieing them around her waist.( I've even considered those large baskin robbins ice cream tubs,split in half, plus side, you get to empty thoses tubs) Melody --- Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Heck, back in the primitive days when the look was > what mattered for a NoBudget show, I used a leg from pantyhose and loosely stuffed a section big > enough to fit to the sides, tied it in the middle. > After knotting the end,> I attached two ties and "voila!" It did look> strange, but had the desired > effect. (And another way to recycle) > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > > > > > > rump' does anybody know of a good > > (online) pattern for this? > > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 16:05:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22L5lWb024607 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22L51Zj002594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L50P9049434; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22L4rWX049309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j22KvKov002362 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:57:20 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:57:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42262A73.3080608@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:04:51 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars References: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <002501c51f67$ca43ca20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men will be in fashion. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 17:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22MCfrL024997 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22MBTZj009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MB9in008780; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MAvB9008536 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030222105201500l4m0le>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:10:52 +0000 Received: from [128.95.14.45] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:51 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:51 +0000 Message-Id: <030220052210.5625.422639EB0008C383000015F922069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooohhhh! What a tanalizing thought.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. > > The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men > will be in fashion. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 17:34:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j22MYqnH025142 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22MYCZj012010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22MVfCH025600; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web52805.mail.yahoo.com (web52805.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j22MUIRo024014 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44943 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2005 22:30:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=da5CQSo4OpppVQ7Mfq4j+mjyJmvA70qKpTOdJgs6OKJaHSWYXC7YSdswpRR22lnPwhXMnyHweagpTBKDTPrJ7HXXMyAfB6qAWRQLykdjmpf8fpZXB5n8d4QdOegnhh3KHImd8EA7iMaIBKoIJWbzNk0cE4m+2u3iX+oytt5MIXQ= ; Message-ID: <20050302223012.44941.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:30:12 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42262A73.3080608@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >> If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. >The good ol' strategic placement. Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men >will be in fashion. Heaven forfend! :) KP --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 22:30:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j233UdrX026670 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j233TiZj007559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j233SE1I036187; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:28:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j233S2kO035998 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53965 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2005 03:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20050303032757.53963.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:27:56 PST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005101c51d99$64827440$765183d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry Lyndon" were any good? I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey .... Do you see a pattern here, yes I like the look... I figure, if all men wore these clothes, wars would never be fought. ( can you just see some guy in a big wig ,tricorn, petticoat breeches,lace boot toppers,sleeve lace ,jabot and frock coat squaring off {Picture Robert Dinero tricked out}"You looking at me?, ,you looking at me Punk?" Opposite side, Clint Eastwood" Go ahead-make my day,Fop) Back to reality, Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 2 23:35:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j234Z4UQ027021 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:35:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j234Y7Zj012002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j234XpBB075301; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j234XmaR075266 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:33:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [67.101.6.155] (helo=boris) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6i20-0004U4-3I for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:33:48 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Kg08Abfw4uLH3nxnrVJ6lS9yNb9Sh95M/oOmbtZ5HWA9QIRIoCjB/3jz/4YHFLbJ; Message-ID: <014301c51faa$3380fd40$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050303032757.53963.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:33:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4829248953a2d8fc051dad2da00a4cabbfdf4dea5d24d49372350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.155 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (snip) > Do you see a pattern here, yes I like the look... > I figure, if all men wore these clothes, wars would > never be fought. > ( can you just see some guy in a big wig ,tricorn, > petticoat breeches,lace boot toppers,sleeve lace > ,jabot and frock coat squaring off {Picture Robert > Dinero tricked out}"You looking at me?, ,you looking > at me Punk?" Opposite side, Clint Eastwood" Go > ahead-make my day,Fop) > > Back to reality, > Melody Oh, but they did....the era you're speaking of was rife with warfare and private dueling of all sorts. I do historic rapier combat and the 17th and 18th centuries were the height of the dueling age. I do love the costumes, though, and think that men do look womderful in them. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:04:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2354ORr027182 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2353bZj014087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2353YZB094147; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2353VB5094087 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.30.6d80386a (4328) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <30.6d80386a.2f57f49c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/2/2005 4:05:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1125349040.72e230@thibault.org writes: Someday maybe sheer fabrics for men will be in fashion. Remember the 1950s nylon shirts? They were sheer. I don't remember if ALL guys wore T/undershirts beneath. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2357qaA027211 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:07:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2357BZj014335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2357A5g096344; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23546f5094403 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.6.400b422b (25711) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <6.400b422b.2f57f4be@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:03:58 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5101 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 2/25/2005 4:27:34 PM Central Standard Time, irmgart@gmail.com writes: http://tinyurl.com/5pgc9 the Irish over is is similar to mine, but the sleeves of the underdress are more fitted. I have saved those sites you sent. They willhelp in the future, finally got the backbone to tell a few friends I didn't care to compete just wanted to sew, but that may change and at that time will need the sites everyone has been so nice to send. thanks for your help and interest of a beginner. sincerely theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:25:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j235PdQx027300 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:25:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j235P4Zj015641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235Oxg5008125; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235Ovp9008037 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030305245101500l0e0ge>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:24:51 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c51fb1$57452970$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:24:57 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Film Costume help for Chicago X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j235PdQx027300 Status: RO If you are a fan of the film Chicago and own the DVD or video... I really need some help. I have some photos of an exhibit of the film's costumes. I have one lady's costume that is very detailed but can't seem to find the costume in the film. It is sticking in my mind, that it is in the film, but I can't figure out where. If you would like to take a stab at trying to find this costume in the film, please email off list. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 00:47:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j235lSYW027388 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j235kmZj017168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235kdji023332; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235kaQb023265 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7e.6484491b (4539) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.6484491b.2f57feb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:46:25 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 03/02/05 10:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry Lyndon" were any good? I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. The costumes from "Barry Lyndon", IMO, were very good. If you are familiar with portraits of the time period, you can see where some of the costumes were copied from the portraits. Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey Other than the fact that "Brotherhood of the Wolf" had a lot of fantasy elements about it, the costumes were good. I remember that the movie was a lot better than I thought it would be. It played at the local mutliplex for a long time. The costumes in "Restoration" were very well done. A first-class film, IMO. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 01:38:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j236coPb027632 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j236cBZj020162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j236bqIW053681; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j236bj8s053569 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:37:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2005 06:37:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050303063058.014b51e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:35:45 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about In-Reply-To: <7e.6484491b.2f57feb1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:46 03/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/02/05 10:39:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >celticredhead2002@yahoo.com writes: > >I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was >before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. >Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry >Lyndon" were any good? >I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. > >The costumes from "Barry Lyndon", IMO, were very good. If you are familiar >with portraits of the time period, you can see where some of the costumes >were >copied from the portraits. > >Also the outfits in the rather, "strange", movie "The >Brotherhood of the Wolf" ,...how were these. I studied a couple of these to copy for a customer. Based on originals, but gussied up for the film. I was told that the designer had based one of the garments on a coat in Kyoto, but I couldn't find anything the same. >Last one: "Restoration"... w Meg Ryan & Rob't Downey This was designed by James Aitcheson, of "Dangerous Liasons" fame. He is generally considered to be spot on with shapes and styles, but I felt this was the "fussy" end of fashion rather than the more simple - all petticoat breeches and ribbon trim. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 04:28:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j239SoAY002698 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:28:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j239S0Zj007836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j239Roku045600; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j239RjYN045111 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j239R3x06677.; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:27:08 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:27:03 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:26:45 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 03:27:56 >>> wrote: > I know these movies are a few years ago, but it was >before I was interested in costuming ,so I'll ask now. > Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry >Lyndon" were any good? >I vaguely remember the time era as 1700's. (Eagerly sticks hand up) I have first-hand knowledge of the "Barry Lyndon" costumes, though I'm not an expert on the 18th century. In 1977, when there were fewer reenactment societies than there are now, the Sealed Knot, who normally do English Civil War, were lent redcoat uniforms from the "Barry Lyndon" costumes in order to put on an event commemorating John Paul Jones's raid on Whitehaven in 1777. (Actually the military scenes in the film are set a little earlier than that, I think around 1750.) Some of us enjoyed it so much that we formed a sub-group and put on 18th century mini-events for several years afterwards. The late David Chandler, the historian, who had charge of the costumes, let some of us borrow civilian clothes as well. I had a dress complete with side hoops and a pair of stays. The dress was made of a striped curtain material, used inside out so that the colours were muted. (It was worn by one of the attendants on Lady Lyndon in the bathing scene.) As far as I know the cut and underpinnings were authentic. The uniforms came in two qualities depending on how near the camera the wearer had been. The "other ranks" uniforms were not scarlet but a dull brick-red colour, in accordance with the fact that, in period, a cheaper dye was used for them than for officers' uniforms. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th cent. reenactor ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 12:07:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23H7RZA000364 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:07:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23H5jZj010347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23H5QWE047004; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j23H5MiK046853 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64781 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2005 17:05:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Ll+KjrYNl7HcP0J+8UIWjz8iMcHvgnU6hPH/7oVFfTI3E8j9HRnM5EMDlnUp2gSafJpO1IVl5+92K7EVreq7svzJXb9DbJmYz5G52Ir8Zr4fQzEktmA9umIgZdSJfXSurBovGCwvurvlIn9+N+3IK2P860BDPWnHVobjIdblm3c= ; Message-ID: <20050303170516.64779.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:05:16 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few ) films I've wondered about.... Kate & Barry Lyndon To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 03:27:56 > >>> wrote: > SNIP >> > Does anyone remember if the costumes in " Barry > >Lyndon" were any good? > ***Hi Kate,thanks for replying*** > (Eagerly sticks hand up) I have first-hand knowledge > of the "Barry Lyndon" costumes, > b-group and put on 18th century > . The late David Chandler, the historian, > who had charge of the costumes, let some of us borrow civilian clothes as well. **** Lucky you!**** I had a dress complete with side hoops and a pair of stays. The dress was made of a striped curtain material, used inside out so that the colours were muted. *** Do you remember the cut of the dress? was it a 2 piece unit (bodice & skirt) or was it 1 piece( bodice with skirt attached)?Since it was a"costume" I wondered if they did seperates to fit more then 1 actress. Was the bodice waist and back both pointed? Laced in the back or on the sided,or front pinned? Did it have a stomacher? ANy info you can remember is great!**** It was worn by one of the attendants on Lady > Lyndon in the bathing scene.) As far as I know the cut and underpinnings were authentic. >> > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th cent. reenactor > ***Thanks Kate,Hope you tookpictures, if you did will you share?**** Melody > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 12:50:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23HotS3000707 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:50:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23Ho2Zj014818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23HlhJG084732; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23HktiK084091 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so1121444wri for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=s4WVhANHAjea+rblkHE8LHsSHYCcXnJnJK+tbevR6xYWz7U63krGJUP2ax/CMXjvt5zUtScHrFZqdrJawkstkb7lPPwFdC+QX8P9BHYhSRBMklu3pyHxOe0lBG9hkUhHYe/GHLwbA1AfJb547u9OzPxn7QG0Yi/49G/Pqvdf1Q4= Received: by 10.54.63.7 with SMTP id l7mr89655wra; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id g3sm328640wra.2005.03.03.09.46.47; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050303171502.18583.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23HktiK084091 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to the OED: A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 The mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Hi All, In reading a book on cloting of the past they described a sleeve as being "Mahoitered"..... What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 13:46:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23IkOpQ001138 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23IjJZj020716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:45:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23IiwWO032890; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j23IiIfx032248 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:44:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 6963 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2005 18:44:27 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:27 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1340.24.4.69.40.1109875458.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> References: <20050303171502.18583.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > According to the OED: > > A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose > of > increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > > 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out > with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during > the > fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > The > mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > > Joanna So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 13:56:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23IuSgc001206 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23IsnZj021800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Iskg2041823; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23IseWE041706 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brujne@creighton.edu) Received: from cindyabel (cla53081.creighton.edu [147.134.201.2]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26305)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21248 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:54:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200503031854.MAA21248@Bluejay.creighton.edu> From: "Cindy Abel" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:54:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUgGbti6MbVc4DKSJez6/E2WTtBcgAB4uMA In-Reply-To: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8721@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23IseWE041706 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've also seen the term spelled Malhoitres or Malhoitered. I've seen it mentioned in English fashion magazines. It was kind of a mannered way of specifying sleeves that were padded out to resemble the similar mid-late fifteenth century sleeves as worn by the rich and fashionable males only. The Romantic era(1820-1840) in England and France was very big on bringing medieval and Renaissance influences back into fashion in clothing and art. Hope this helps Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joanna Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:47 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained According to the OED: A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 The mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Hi All, In reading a book on cloting of the past they described a sleeve as being "Mahoitered"..... What is this? Does anyone have a visual example? How was it done and in what time frame? The book refered to sleeves being "mahoitered" but then the word turns up in other area of clothing too. Is this particular treatment confined to a particular time period or country? Thanks all. Melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 14:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23JXCKw001486 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:33:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23JV1Zj025257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23JUtsW075153; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23JUqr5075079 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.74.4ead3e48 (4560) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <74.4ead3e48.2f58bfe8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:30:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Term I need explained To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 1:47:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Perhaps only in eras where the shoulder line is really exaggerated? Right now, I would say the padding is just to give a smooth line, but not particularly full. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 16:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23Lxwcs002660 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23LwvZj010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23LvAoJ098416; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Lu4Ma097578 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6yIe-000760-00; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:56:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23Lu4Ma097578 Cc: dfeigenson@mail.fairfield.edu X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." Back to dictionary: The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: [< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Diana Habra Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > According to the OED: > > A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose > of > increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > > 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out > with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during > the > fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > The > mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > > Joanna So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 18:02:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j23N2KbJ003214 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:02:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j23N1MZj016742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23N1DWM054740; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23N16qI054627 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6zJa-00073k-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <42279738.4010604@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:01:12 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained References: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10758557.1109886963958.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how big they were! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." > >Back to dictionary: >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] > >According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > >>According to the OED: >> >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>of >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >> >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>the >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>The >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >> >>Joanna >> >> > >So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 19:05:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2405wlI003809 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:05:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2400rap023018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Ng0re088460; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23NfvlA088316 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD183C6BB for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:40:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:41:56 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] have a look at this costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 Is that a historical design or what? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 19:28:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j240SGkt003976 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j240RiZj025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j240QjQ2023305; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j240QMqg022940 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from mail.ntw.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j240Njs15257 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 Received: from 206.124.3.63 (SquirrelMail authenticated user sylvia); by mail.ntw.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> In-Reply-To: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:23:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume From: sylvia@ntw.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > Did you check out the seller's other item for sale? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=5562898198&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I think someone else has too much time on his hands. Sylrog > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 20:16:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j241GqHr004473 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:16:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j241FvZj028679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241FclN052809; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241FZcP052783 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:15:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D71Pj-0005Qg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:15:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j241FZcP052783 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd love to see a some pictures. --RAB -----Original Message----- From: Wicked Frau Sent: Mar 3, 2005 6:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how big they were! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." > >Back to dictionary: >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ?shoulder, upper arm?; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] > >According to the OED, the term ?hoity-toity? didn?t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: ?romping? and the ?assumption of superiority, ?airs?, huffiness.? The American Heritage dictionary defines ?hoity-toity? as ?puffed up, pompous??so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of ?hoity-toity? (only mentioned are words meaning ?high?) is this stuffed-shirt ?mahoitre?? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > >>According to the OED: >> >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>of >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >> >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>the >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>The >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >> >>Joanna >> >> > >So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 20:28:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j241ShYE004581 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j241S4Zj029466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241S07A061214; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j241Rvrv061151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:27:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242eOdE015004 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:40:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:27:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> In-Reply-To: <49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503032027.50959.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 March 2005 7:23 pm, sylvia@ntw.net wrote: > > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=81749504 > >85&rd=1 > > > > Is that a historical design or what? And the best part is that it's the only design I've ever seen that's correct for all periods. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 21:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242ImDa005123 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j242HoZj002974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242Hfkk093340; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242Hd7G093316 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D72Nn-0003QU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:17:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is one: http://www.forum-hes.nl/forum/main_stocklist.phtml/view/5959?view=yes I had forgotten that I posted a very similar query in 2003 to several lists. I am looking for other pictures. Could have sworn I had a whole collection of them...now I must find them! A quest! Sg ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I'd love to see a some pictures. --RAB > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wicked Frau >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 6:01 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > >Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what we do to men's >jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period portraiture and have >constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you like I can send you >some pictures of them....I think you might be a little surprised at how >big they were! > >Sg > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > >>Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). >> >>Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." >> >>Back to dictionary: >>The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: >>[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ?shoulder, upper arm?; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] >> >>According to the OED, the term ?hoity-toity? didn?t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: ?romping? and the ?assumption of superiority, ?airs?, huffiness.? The American Heritage dictionary defines ?hoity-toity? as ?puffed up, pompous??so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of ?hoity-toity? (only mentioned are words meaning ?high?) is this stuffed-shirt ?mahoitre?? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) >> >>Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? >> >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >>scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Diana Habra >>Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM >>To: Historical Costume >>Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>According to the OED: >>> >>>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose >>>of >>>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >>> >>> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out >>>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. >>>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during >>>the >>>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 >>>The >>>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. >>> >>>Joanna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? >>You know how the shoulders are padded internally? >> >>Diana >> >>www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>"Everything for the Costumer" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 21:59:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j242xwMk005429 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j242xBZj005469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242x6gG018646; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j242wk0t018379 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.12c.58c9ddfe (4418) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.58c9ddfe.2f5928de@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:38 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 7:23:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd =1 Aren't they lovely? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:07:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2437TRC005485 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2436rZj005985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2436oax023424; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2436m3N023406 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:06:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2436QRt027663 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050303185645.025960c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:57:26 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume In-Reply-To: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > >Is that a historical design or what? Ooh, look at all the embroidery. Look at the beautiful fabric. Etc. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j243AGfL005502 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2439lZj006191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2439kqm025295; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2439h1r025162 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from webmail.iimetro.com.au (www01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.15]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id j2439UPv027534; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:30 +1100 From: ewalpole@iimetro.com.au To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:30 +1100 Message-Id: <4227d16ad44bb7.79812774@iimetro.com.au> References: X-Authenticated-IP: [150.203.2.85] X-Sender: ewalpole@mail.iimetro.com.au X-Mailer: PHPost 1.10 (http://webgadgets.com/phpost/) X-Info-1: Report spam to abuse@iimetro.com.au MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > (online) pattern for this? > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. Ah so it is the same shape as the bum roll Elizabethan costumers like to use, I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. If that's all it is I may as well make use of the bumroll in Simplicity 8881 (the shakespeare in Love dress) as I've used the bodice and sleeve sections of the pattern but nothing else. Thanks Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 22:13:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j243DEcp005523 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j243ChZj006407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j243CeSc027235; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j243Cb8i027206 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from webmail.iimetro.com.au (www01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.15]) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with SMTP id j243CZZs027792 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:35 +1100 From: ewalpole@iimetro.com.au To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:12:35 +1100 Message-Id: <4227d223b21eb3.26582159@iimetro.com.au> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> X-Authenticated-IP: [150.203.2.85] X-Sender: ewalpole@mail.iimetro.com.au X-Mailer: PHPost 1.10 (http://webgadgets.com/phpost/) X-Info-1: Report spam to abuse@iimetro.com.au MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > > > > Dawn Sure it is, nakedness is always period it's other people's reaction to that nakedness that changes between time periods and cultures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 23:19:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j244JsUG005883 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244IoZj011114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244IP6q067669; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244IJkr067584 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (dhcp024-209-056-164.neo.rr.com [24.209.56.164]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j244IFHJ010443 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:17:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dylon dye X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings. I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. Help, please! Thanks so much. kate PS--the package says that it's a permanent dye. Just how permanent is permanent? I know that Rit often bleeds... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 3 23:59:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j244x1Ra006104 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244wLZj013624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244wFDS089511; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j244wEmf089490 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j244wDop031814 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050303205003.025b9bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:53:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye In-Reply-To: <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone >dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for >using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water dye in the US? I can't anymore. I find Dylon permanent and true to color - if it says black, it means black, etc. And you can dye plastic buttons with it, if you simmer them in the dye bath for like half an hour. You can either get the color you want or a good tint of it, depending on the plastic of the button. I even made white plastic dice look like bone ones, using Dylon, for use at Ren. Faire. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 00:06:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2456j34006154 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:06:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24569Zj014124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24564mg094583; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41809.mail.yahoo.com (web41809.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24563cT094512 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21583 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2005 05:05:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=biCgEWQUhxvpvkHcw+NRecydcOH2aV18OpQHmJ4FxFx410hFj60DvlSn2ssCQ/+iciPRWBYGtzfS8LGRpOXE+0cwToW4UX8G79Tiu25SwSHPA1Bcxncq5oJGZZdxAnQXHZdfcev4fIcGolGEhCJOJAOdNxxITaUy3xpP5SZHWYU= ; Message-ID: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:05:56 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained ..."hello, I think I got left out....." To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42279738.4010604@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello? (waves) That was my "word" and question. So, could you please send me thoses examples too....as the original book I found the word in had pen & ink drawings of sleeves I would have called "paned"or "those stuft roll thingys at the sleeve heads" and refered to them as "mahoitered". Melody --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Very cool....love words. It is definately NOT what > we do to men's > jackets. I have a few pictures of these in period > portraiture and have > constructed them. They can become quite huge. If you > like I can send you > some pictures of them....I think you might be a > little surprised at how > big they were! > > Sg > > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > >Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read > these postings in my office in the English > department of my university and immediately shared > "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We > decided it would be a wonderful thing to call > somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of > "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). > > > >Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, > don't be so hoity-toity." > > > >Back to dictionary: > >The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: > >[< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in > Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre > in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman > mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology > disputed.] > > > >According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t > appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that > time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the > “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The > American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” > as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that > somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of > “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning > “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at > least might it share some of mahoitre's own > etymology?) > > > >Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR > VOCABULARY? > > > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner > >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Diana Habra > >Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM > >To: Historical Costume > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > > > > > > > > > >>According to the OED: > >> > >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a > garment for the purpose > >>of > >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > >> > >> 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The > shoulders were padded out > >>with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. > FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > >>Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised > shoulders in fashion during > >>the > >>fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. > Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > >>The > >>mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > >> > >>Joanna > >> > >> > > > >So would that be the correct term for what they do > to modern men's suits? > >You know how the shoulders are padded internally? > > > >Diana > > > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > >"Everything for the Costumer" > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! 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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 04:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j249C1ta006523 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j249B3Zj026964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249AogY031749; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249Aja1031564 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050304091029.BDVQ28243.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:29 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.245.38]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050304091028.IDAB4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:28 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.6.0]); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:10:26 +1300 Message-ID: <002901c5209a$0149bfb0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:23 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ah.. linen... well I wouldn't recommend cold dye then but would otherwise recommend dylon. I would double the amount of dye said to be needed, I find it gives a deeper and richer effect. In fact with the cold water dylon my recommendation is to use half a litre of liquid and paint it on damp fabric with a broad paintdrush, leave it to dry and then wash it out. If the instructions say to use a bowl, then you have the cold water dye, and I wouldn't recommend a washing machine. They do make dyes for the washing machine though. So my experiences: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/blue.htm Dylon multipurpose in a large stock pot on the stove, piece by piece. Making sure I would do the whole bodice, then the drapery then the skirt so any inconsistency in dyeing was not noticeable. Cotton and polyester brocade. If I dyed it too many times, the polyester went a funny colour, it absorbed the greens from the blue dye. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/poison.htm Dylon Multipurpose on the stove. Good for acheiving a fade from one colour to another just altering heat of dyebath and length of time in the bath. nylon lycra, took the colour *very* well. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/ladym.htm Dylon Multipurpose dye. Good even coverage over a dark brown viscose. Navy blue turned the fabric a dark licorice black. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Dylon cold water dye. Silk just dipped and swished in a 40litre plastic container to make the pale lilac of the inner sleeves. 2pots of dye with the right salts and mixed to just 500ml of water (two cups or thereabouts) and painted on the silk to get the proper purple (that was supposed to be got from the dye) on the farthingale. I found I did not have the ability to aggitate the dye bath as much as it was needed to to prevent blotchiness so painting was the best solution. And just now: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabrictest.jpg one cold water dye in 1L of water with salts 5min bath and washed. This is likely to be a rayon mix if not pure rayon. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabricsa.jpg the top is the colour of the linen originally, the bottom is the linen after several dyebaths involving about 7 pots of dye for 5m of 150cm wide fabric (about 5 yards of 60" wide fabric) The change is subtle. And I suspect a multipurpose dyebath would be better as it uses heat. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 04:12:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j249C98C006579 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:12:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j249BTZj026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249BTrm032037; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j249BJQW031710 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:11:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j249Acx12554.; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:10:42 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:10:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:10:26 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few ) films I've wondered about.... Kate & Barry Lyndon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> celticredhead2002@yahoo.com 03/03/2005 17:05:16 >>> wrote: *** Do you remember the cut of the dress? was it a 2 piece unit (bodice & skirt) or was it 1 piece( bodice with skirt attached)?Since it was a"costume" I wondered if they did seperates to fit more then 1 actress. Was the bodice waist and back both pointed? Laced in the back or on the sided,or front pinned? Did it have a stomacher? ANy info you can remember is great!**** It wasn't a two-piece in that sense. There was a pale pink underskirt; the overdress was cut without a waist seam at the centre back (I believe the period term was "en fourreau"). I can't remember exactly how the bodice was in front, but there wasn't a separate stomacher, and I think it closed with hooks. The waist came to a point over the gap where the underskirt showed. There are one or two photos of me in it, but nothing accessible online, I'm afraid (it was more than twenty years ago!) Kate ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 07:59:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24CwxdY009118 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24CvwZj007614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cvl4H053571; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cvkj0053548 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7CNF-0002PN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: <42285B50.1030006@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:57:52 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Fw: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained ..."hello, I think I got left out....." References: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050304050557.21581.qmail@web41809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think I will just go ahead and post them on my website this eveing. It may be easier. Sg :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 08:01:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24D15q4009144 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24D0PZj007795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D0OvO055269; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D0NsJ055182 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:00:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id ABE14AAA00AC; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:00:17 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 13:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c520ba$4c2f47a0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227d16ad44bb7.79812774@iimetro.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:01:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think this one is in the lovely box of goodies found on e-bay. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' > > > > In a message dated 3/2/2005 12:22:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: > > > > rump' so does anybody know of a good > > (online) pattern for this? > > > > > > C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > > front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > > or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. > > Ah so it is the same shape as the bum roll Elizabethan costumers like to use, I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. > If that's all it is I may as well make use of the bumroll in Simplicity 8881 (the shakespeare in Love dress) as I've used the bodice and sleeve sections of the pattern but nothing else. > Thanks > Elizabeth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 08:05:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24D510W009185 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24D4AZj008058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24D468O057025; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Cwiid054117 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AB7B72970032; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:58:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.117 ([209.131.81.117] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 12:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <006901c520ba$0fe06fe0$755183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net><49601.206.124.3.63.1109895825.squirrel@206.124.3.63> <200503032027.50959.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:59:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is Gorgeous!!! I might make a bid afterall. It suits all taste. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume > On Thursday 03 March 2005 7:23 pm, sylvia@ntw.net wrote: > > > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=81749504 > > >85&rd=1 > > > > > > Is that a historical design or what? > > And the best part is that it's the only design I've ever seen that's correct > for all periods. :-) > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. 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X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I've never used dylon dyes and need to dye a piece of linen. Has anyone >>dyed fabric in a washing machine using dylon? The instructions call for >>using a bowl, but I've got too large a piece of linen to dye. > >I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water >dye in the US? I can't anymore. > >I find Dylon permanent and true to color - if it says black, it means >black, etc. And you can dye plastic buttons with it, if you simmer them in >the dye bath for like half an hour. You can either get the color you want >or a good tint of it, depending on the plastic of the button. I even made >white plastic dice look like bone ones, using Dylon, for use at Ren. Faire. so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a faded black doublet/jerkin ..... Jerusha (who sortof changed email addresses -- but not really) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 10:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24Fnaxq010351 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:49:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24FmjZj002877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Fmfpr063521; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24Fmce8063469 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.1.33?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.108.0.161 with plain) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 15:48:38 -0000 Message-ID: <42288358.7090408@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:48:40 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye References: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> In-Reply-To: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: >>I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water >>dye in the US? I can't anymore. > > > so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a faded > black doublet/jerkin ..... I got my original boxes from Teddy as part of the Great Dye Experiment* several years ago. I have since ordered Dylon Machine Dye from the UK http://www.sewandso.co.uk/ran840-0.html I have a large Kenmore front-loader, theoretically modeled on German front loaders. This Dylon Dye (not available in the US) and my machine do a great job dying large jobs. No residue, even color, seems to be mostly color fast (cotton and linen dyed so far). liz young *Several of us on the list in the US received boxes of Dylon Machine Dye from Teddy (I think Teddy sent them all) and tried the dye in our American machines. I know it worked in front-loaders and worked some of the time in top-loaders. "Dylon Machine Dye" in the archives ought to get you the thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 12:21:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24HLEW5011165 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24HKKZj017288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HK3JR047425; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:20:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HJxYR047347 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DEC40D6D for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D10B53955; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye X-Originating-Ip: [172.159.139.9] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCKJikAAltrwEAAAAB,73eb9260ecc30e0f58479a9a660d6c70 Message-Id: <20050304171932.D10B53955@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Michaela, I don't know whether I am more impressed by your dying techniques, your costumes or your website. All I can say is WOW I AM impressed! Gone are the days when my figure would allow me to wear some of the things you do, but I agree about the Elizabeth of Valois gown. There is a red one that I used to have posted on my file cabinet to copy some day. That lady died young, but had style. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "michaela" wrote: From: "michaela" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:10:23 +1300 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye ah.. linen... well I wouldn't recommend cold dye then but would otherwise recommend dylon. I would double the amount of dye said to be needed, I find it gives a deeper and richer effect. In fact with the cold water dylon my recommendation is to use half a litre of liquid and paint it on damp fabric with a broad paintdrush, leave it to dry and then wash it out. If the instructions say to use a bowl, then you have the cold water dye, and I wouldn't recommend a washing machine. They do make dyes for the washing machine though. So my experiences: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/blue.htm Dylon multipurpose in a large stock pot on the stove, piece by piece. Making sure I would do the whole bodice, then the drapery then the skirt so any inconsistency in dyeing was not noticeable. Cotton and polyester brocade. If I dyed it too many times, the polyester went a funny colour, it absorbed the greens from the blue dye. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/poison.htm Dylon Multipurpose on the stove. Good for acheiving a fade from one colour to another just altering heat of dyebath and length of time in the bath. nylon lycra, took the colour *very* well. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/movies/ladym.htm Dylon Multipurpose dye. Good even coverage over a dark brown viscose. Navy blue turned the fabric a dark licorice black. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm Dylon cold water dye. Silk just dipped and swished in a 40litre plastic container to make the pale lilac of the inner sleeves. 2pots of dye with the right salts and mixed to just 500ml of water (two cups or thereabouts) and painted on the silk to get the proper purple (that was supposed to be got from the dye) on the farthingale. I found I did not have the ability to aggitate the dye bath as much as it was needed to to prevent blotchiness so painting was the best solution. And just now: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabrictest.jpg one cold water dye in 1L of water with salts 5min bath and washed. This is likely to be a rayon mix if not pure rayon. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/1570fabricsa.jpg the top is the colour of the linen originally, the bottom is the linen after several dyebaths involving about 7 pots of dye for 5m of 150cm wide fabric (about 5 yards of 60" wide fabric) The change is subtle. And I suspect a multipurpose dyebath would be better as it uses heat. michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 12:31:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24HVpcq011317 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:31:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24HUuZj018325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HUqqP057680; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24HUoTr057549 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947553C6BB for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:29:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:30:58 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that they are reprints of older titles. * Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. * Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. Would love to hear from someone who has copies. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 13:36:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24IaFVo012014 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24IX4aD025768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24IFeo4097762; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:15:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24IFcKj097622 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:15:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so851866wra for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=M6XV0xNNSyJoy19Q7Z0zId8hJacn1VMZyK8egnV1XeU8z2g6jRzlzJZMqeGYqJJ5GTQz34F7TDKT1nswag0QC9UDur8uCdFM8nQiwfe35SAB+QuI6hYFJSFhtDfrPUdjdqjQ9LQWubCVuP9zpK3021UfRaWnqxSZeP+36Es7TF4= Received: by 10.54.69.19 with SMTP id r19mr68079wra; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm19164wrl.2005.03.04.10.15.29; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8726@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Dawn, Stay away from Iris Brooke. Especially if you're not very familiar with the period. As for the Mary Houston, I have a copy of the 2nd version (I think). Do you know if the Dover is a reprint of the 1931 version (106 pages b&w line drawings) or the 1947 version (182 pages, some of them pasted on colour plates)? Both of them are fairly reasonable, still have a couple of victorianisms but very well done for the time. If I remember properly this is the 2nd book of a series where Medieval Costume in England and France is the 3rd. You might try your local library to see if they have copies of the originals. Of my local librararies, all but one have the iris brooke (sigh), 5 of them have one or the other version and 4 of them have both. But then again I live in the city with the highest number of post-secondary educational institutions in North America, YMMV. Cheers, Joanna PS You might find an original print (1st or 2nd edition) in a second hand shop. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that they are reprints of older titles. * Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. * Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. Would love to hear from someone who has copies. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 14:07:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24J7xq7012321 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:07:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24J7HZj029581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24J7De7044195; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24J7AOV044025 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id B24FF3F06 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:03:35 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1109963221144; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:07:01 -1000 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:07:01 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill collection? They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of the world's leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th and 19th centuries." According to Barnes and Noble they were all published in September 2004 and the titles I see listed so far are -Hats and Bonnets -Embroideries -Buttons and Trimmings -Shoes and Slippers Amazon has no real description of the contents and B&N has short blurbs for only the hats and shoes books. The cover pictures are tempting. annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 14:30:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24JU3dm012520 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24JT2Zj001991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSwc8063178; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSoPF063083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-74.sonic.net [209.148.113.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24JSnHC027596 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <4228B6F8.3070400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:28:56 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just received all of them. They are rather small books of pictures with long captions, mostly pictures of details of clothing and accessories rather than entire garments. Mostly women's clothes and accessories, a few men's particularly in the _Embroideries_ book. Mostly mid 18th to mid 19th centuries. The books are well produced.. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com lisa wrote: > Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style > books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill > collection? They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of > the world's leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th > and 19th centuries." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 15:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24K7E7a013607 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24K6GZj005862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24K64lP095095; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j24K60eF094969 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94020 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2005 20:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:05:55 PST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503041903.j24J2ap0040093@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Funny you should mention Barry Lyndon, the spousal unit and I just watched it last week. It is kind of like looking at a living picture from the 18th century. Marisa Berenson (lady Lyndon), who is one of the transcendental beauties of the age looks so like period portraits from Gainsboro and others. The big hair in several scencs is wonderful. I seem to remember, from when the movie originallyu came out that some of the dresses she wore WERE ORIGINALS. I can't verify this 30 some year old memory. After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. It fits into my category of "real thing", no matter what materials they used to make the garments --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 15:27:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24KRw0s013891 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24KR9Zj007952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24KQpP0012711; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24KQl6C012588 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:26:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.111]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050304202636.ZMXL11805.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:26:36 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050304134718.01dd68d0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:26:00 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200503041902.j24J2aox040093@net.indra.com> References: <200503041902.j24J2aox040093@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have generally found Iris Brooke very unreliable (my opinion). I don't use or own any of her books. Houston has a good reputation. "An unabridged republication of the second edition of Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume and Decoration published in 1947". 182p, 315 b/w and col illus (Dover 2003) ISBN 0486426106. Paperback. Price US $12.95 I got one a couple of month's ago that was very good with documentation, images and such, but no diagrams. I've just skimmed through it. It's down in the library and I can get the biblio and more detail for you if you need it. And one not yet published that might be of interest: The Clothed Body in the Ancient World edited by Liza Cleland, Mary Harlow and Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones ... highlighting common themes in scholarship, methodological differences between disciplines and periods, as well as contrasting definitions of what constitutes the clothed body. Essays discussing Aegean Bronze Age fashions, costume design in filmed biblical epics, clothing in Aristophanic comedy, Greek and Roman female undergarments, the symbolism of the Roman toga, and the spectacle of images of Byzantine dress, are just some of the diverse ... Hardback. Not yet published - advance orders taken. Publisher's Price US$56.00, DBBC Price US$44.00 Hope this helps. Beth At 01:02 PM 3/4/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:30:58 -0600 >From: Dawn >Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good >source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions >to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that >they are reprints of older titles. > > >* Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. >Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. > >* Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. > > >Would love to hear from someone who has copies. > > > >Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 18:20:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24NKNHu015479 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24NJZZj004451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NJR5C072201; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NJOe0072080 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Kitsune242@aol.com) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.156.4c1b7bd7 (16087) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.162]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed74228ecee3a2; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:19:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:19:10 -0500 From: Kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com (Historical Costume) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 169.237.109.158 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings All! You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of where I can find some? I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think 1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. Any and all help is appreciated! Thanks in Advance, Kit If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - Kenneth Cole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 18:54:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j24NssGK015698 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j24NsKZj010873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NsE3k001563; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24NsD45001497 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from salunra@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so753094rne for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:54:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V23r4/GM1x8zk4sE9YxGM+tGKr7XjPf0AC12tg5kJJqJhuVXt4cotQ6vvtl2cPYpzWuMD25eUdVRSEev/amAEmTCs9IiG3gecMBvGOaL13ilR17JIrjHBhrDzc2b9F+wv+pU0AkcY7iUvRWnENZDqIlhmItNPQl/+BojXbFiCSM= Received: by 10.38.12.60 with SMTP id 60mr72455rnl; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.28 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:54:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:54:09 -0500 From: Moon Singer To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi!! I usually do Elizabethian, but an occasion has come up and I need to make up a more early period dress. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good pattern for sideless surcoats and cotehardies. Thanks! Moon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 23:27:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j254RcDQ017438 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:27:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254QfZj002505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254QQ42067459; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254QKHH067401 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254MBEN020601 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:22:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050304202249.024b57e8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:24:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon In-Reply-To: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200503041903.j24J2ap0040093@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living >history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. My recollection is that Barry Lyndon, as slow-moving as it was on screen, was just what the writers of those interminable old novels were trying to do. the books would pan across the scenery for half a chapter, and the film did that too. Much prettier on screen. Otherwise, I avoid novels like that. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 4 23:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j254ZlCa017509 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:35:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254ZEZj003571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254ZBqf073218; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254Z5XJ073141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j255ldki026755 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:47:39 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashion & Style series Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:34:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503042334.59589.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Friday 04 March 2005 2:07 pm, lisa wrote: > Has anyone seen or heard anything about the Fashion and Style > books by Althea MacKenzie and Richard Blakey on the Snowshill collection? > They all have the description "...from Snowshill, one of the world's > leading collections of costume and accessories of the 18th and 19th > centuries." > > According to Barnes and Noble they were all published in September > 2004 and the titles I see listed so far are > -Hats and Bonnets > -Embroideries > -Buttons and Trimmings > -Shoes and Slippers > > Amazon has no real description of the contents and B&N has short > blurbs for only the hats and shoes books. The cover pictures are > tempting. They are being carried in a bookstore near me. They are $19.95 USD apiece and fairly short (about 80 pp apiece I think) but they contain good color pictures and a fair number of them given the size, and good descriptive text. If they were about $5 apiece less I would have bought at least 2 of the set by now. As things are, I'll probably wait a bit to buy them. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 08:20:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25DKjRg019735 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25DK4Zj022624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DJmv0064740; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:19:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DJjxb064579 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A1E866A8005C; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:19:36 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.119 ([209.131.81.119] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 5 Mar 05 13:19:35 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c52186$2a418b40$775183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:20:54 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen and scarves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j25DKjRg019735 Status: RO I have just been viewing the new items to be found at the Dhama site and was impressed with the new scarves; and that they have hankie Linen now available with a 60/40 linen and cotton weave.The price is under $9 a yard. Also a new cotton twill. The Devore scarves present several possibilities... kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 08:42:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Dgkgs019837 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25Dg2Zj027881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DfxGT078548; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:41:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25DfuSa078454 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:41:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e0.3728e25e (4459) for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:41:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. I will check my computer at school to see if I hid it there. sorry not more help.theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 09:50:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25EoMPM020308 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:50:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25EnSZt003789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25EjI6W016666; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25EjDWO016460 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fba.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.186]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FF0647FE2C for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002f01c52191$e7572630$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:44:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion and styles series. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I got two of the books as a pressent. One with embroidery and another with buttons and trimmings. They are lovely lovely, and has pictures i never have seen before. Lots of inspirations to get. Another friend emailed me with photos taken in Paris from an antique shop. Showing 4 wonderfull gentlemens wallets embroidered and for my period. Actually i could make the same embroidery as the suit and waistcoat and use it on a wallet two. So i have plans............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25F2lZp020410 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25F2BZj004450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25F28e2025130; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25F26E7025115 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fba.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.186]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FB5A5EE06A for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:02:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006b01c52194$4eaa57b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050304200555.94018.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:02:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hear hear, I totally agree with you, also the very special mood troughout the whole film. I love the story tellers voice and language, soo beautifull.......... Ulla Britt Søderlund, made some of the costumes for the movie. I have ben fortunate to talk to her once at a lecture where Janet Arnold was speaking. Stanley Kubric chose her for the costumes because he had seen the films about the imigrants from Sweden, dont recall what the series was called in english, wich she also made costumes for, because as he said, the costumes are clothes and not costumes........... wich was a very fine thing to say. For Barry Lyndon she used original garments, wich was used for making new costumes. She also spended all her free time embroidering buttons for gentlemens coats. Many of the silks was boiled to get the pale colours and softness. I told her that i was in awe of her skills and that Barry Lyndon had given me such a kick, but the only thing she replyed was did you see the wings i made for the angel for (a swedish film i dont think you know). She was so proud of those angel wings, and i thoaght well well......... Very shorly after this, she died from canser only about 40 years old. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon > > Funny you should mention Barry Lyndon, the spousal unit and I just watched > it last week. It is kind of like looking at a living picture from the > 18th century. Marisa Berenson (lady Lyndon), who is one of the > transcendental beauties of the age looks so like period portraits from > Gainsboro and others. The big hair in several scencs is wonderful. > > I seem to remember, from when the movie originallyu came out that some of > the dresses she wore WERE ORIGINALS. I can't verify this 30 some year > old memory. > > After several years studying 18th century clothing and doing the living > history/reenactor thing, the whole look of the film is right on target. > It fits into my category of "real thing", no matter what materials they > used to make the garments > > > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:14:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25FEF6I020508 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:14:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FDdZj005186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FDYGG031646; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FDWCS031619 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7ayA-0003L9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:13:40 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mahoitered Sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry about this, but I seem to be having trouble finding the ones I have. I know I found a whole slew of colored portraits with them. But in the meantime, here is a response to my query when I was first investigating them. As Karen says, it should get you started and in the mean time I will continue to look for the ones I scanned. Sg (who has taken this opportunity to recognize that she REALLY needs to back up all her images on CD, before anything else gets lost!) seamstrix@juno.com[63,13]CSuX: anyone seen portraits with sleeves like these? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen portraits with sleeves like these? From: seamstrix@juno.com Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:16:43 -0600 The term I am familiar with for those sleeves is 'mahoitered' and they are fairly common on English, Spanish, and French fashions of the 1560's and 70's. I don't have any online sources to hand but here are some literary references- "Elizabethan Pagentry" by H.K. Morse Page 23: Portait of a Lady by Antonio Moro Page 27: Young Woman 1564 by Lucas Cranach the Younger Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd by Janet Arnold Page 7: #6 Queen Elizabeth receiving the Dutch Ambassadors (1570-75) the ladies sitting on the floor to the right of the painting all seem to have mahoitered sleeves. Page 55: #93 Unknown Lady Aged 29 (1557) by Hans Eworth Page 133: #211 Pierre de Moucheron and Wife- detail (1563) Page 134: #212 Lady Anne Penruddocke Aged 20 (1557) by Hans Eworth Page 139: #222 Lady Aged 30, Called Queen Elizabeth (1563) Anonymous Page 140: #224 Margaret of Parma (1562) by Antonio Mor Page 154: #243 Queen E and the # Goddesses-detail (1569) by HE That should get you started! 8-) Karen > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:40:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25FeUPO020841 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:40:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FdmZj006870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FdjZV047395; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FdgM3047324 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:39:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01853C329 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:38:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:40:01 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat References: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e0.3728e25e.2f5b111a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting through > myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not mistaken one of the > h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth design for paper pattern or a > drape and pin explaination. The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html This is also a good page for pictures: http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 10:48:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Fm6e7020957 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25FlTZj007325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FlNCp052379; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FlL88052284 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030515471601300odujse>; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:47:16 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:47:13 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:47:13 +0000 Message-Id: <030520051547.28031.4229D48100096FB200006D7F22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] holy grail window was Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The link below has a lovely picture! But when I clicked on it to see if it could be enlarged for details, a *you dirty knave trying to steal the holy grail* window pops up. Goodness! I presume it's supposed to be funny....I guess my funny bone is not calibrated right... Coffee, I need coffee... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html > > > This is also a good page for pictures: > http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html > > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25G9L5d021162 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25G8WZj008439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8T8r065475; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8QQl065441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-63.sonic.net [209.148.114.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25G8PeA026572 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4229D981.2020702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:08:33 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ombre silk fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where to buy ombre silk fabric online? I found a little on the Thai silks site but not what I wanted. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:17:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25GHkRN021296 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:17:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25GH4Zj008897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GH1WF070423; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GGwMv070378 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06362 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:30:14 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:30:12 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Dawn wrote: > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting > > through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not > > mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth > > design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html The above page might answer the needs of the original poster, depending on what she's looking for, but it's important to note that it relies mostly on outdated popular costume books and is not very historically accurate. I also don't see construction directions on that page, so it probably is not what Theresa was remembering. For instructions on drape-and-pin, most people point to Tasha McGann's page: http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html Tasha developed her method in part based on my work. You'll find my written comments at: http://www.netherton.net/robin I don't have directions there and never will, as I don't think this method can be taught on paper. However, I do have a handout I use for workshops, and a collection of posts that will provide useful background and tips for someone wanting to take a non-patterned approach. Experienced costumers who have an understanding of the desired look and basic methods have been able to use those to replicate my method. The original poster, I think, asked for patterns. I don't use them and so can't recommend any. Perhaps someone else can. There are a number of patterns out there for both fitted underdresses and sideless surcotes that will produce an acceptable "look" for general SCA wear and for other costuming purposes, though I would consider all of them to be modern in approach. I would not recommend using patterns for historical costume competition or authentic re-enactment, but I don't gather that's what the original poster was aiming for. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 11:28:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25GSw4q021460 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25GSDZj009575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25GS8Ga077058; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j25GS4L4076957 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:28:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 16:27:58 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050305162341.014b6160@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:26:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: References: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:30 05/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Dawn wrote: > > > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > > > > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting > > > through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not > > > mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth > > > design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. > > > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html > >The above page might answer the needs of the original poster, depending on >what she's looking for, but it's important to note that it relies mostly >on outdated popular costume books and is not very historically accurate. I >also don't see construction directions on that page, so it probably is not >what Theresa was remembering. > >For instructions on drape-and-pin, most people point to Tasha McGann's >page: > >http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html > >Tasha developed her method in part based on my work. You'll find my >written comments at: > >http://www.netherton.net/robin > > > >The original poster, I think, asked for patterns. I don't use them and so >can't recommend any. Perhaps someone else can. There are a number of >patterns out there for both fitted underdresses and sideless surcotes that >will produce an acceptable "look" for general SCA wear and for other >costuming purposes, though I would consider all of them to be modern in >approach. I would not recommend using patterns for historical costume >competition or authentic re-enactment, but I don't gather that's what the >original poster was aiming for. Jean Hunnisett's book "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500" published by Players Press has patterns for sideless surcoats, one based on the Luttrell Psalter. Don't be put off by the title - Jean's research was thorough, and her patterns based on original paintings, sculpture and so on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 12:20:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25HK44g022008 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25HItZj012695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25HImPM008705; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25HIj86008586 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j25HIbu24954 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:18:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:19:37 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <030520051547.28031.4229D48100096FB200006D7F22070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j25HIj86008586 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] typo on page was: holy grail window was Sideless Surcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, If anyone knows the owner of this web site there is a typo on this page... http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html I don't think Charles died in 1634. Althea On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 07:47 AM, Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > The link below has a lovely picture! But when I clicked on it to see > if it could be enlarged for details, a *you dirty knave trying to > steal the holy grail* window pops up. > > Goodness! I presume it's supposed to be funny....I guess my funny > bone is not calibrated right... > > Coffee, I need coffee... > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: >> >> The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: >> http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html >> >> >> This is also a good page for pictures: >> http://www.geocities.com/ariedin/index.html >> >> >> >> >> Dawn >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 15:38:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25Kc5F8023331 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:38:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25KbFZj024038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25Kb5XJ032971; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25Kb319032946 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:37:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7g1H-0002cF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:37:03 -0800 Message-ID: <422A187A.2060500@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:37:14 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> <4229D0FC.30700@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4229D0FC.30700@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not sure why this isn't reaching the list, but here it is again. Sg Wicked Frau wrote: > Here is a link to some mockups on various types of Mahoitered > sleeves. Sorry the images aren't so hot. Most of them I accidentally > saved at a very worthless low resolution. > http://saragrace.net/images/Misc/mahoiteredsleeves.htm > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 18:49:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j25NniIa024626 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:49:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j25NmnZj004629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25NmewC050830; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25NmYl5050713 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICW003NQKSSFT@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:29 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inch graph paper To: Historical Costume Message-id: <33f45df33ef9a7.33ef9a733f45df@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In response to an old thread ( I have been out of comission for a while) you CAN get rolls of 1/2 inch grid paper-the rolls are about 3 feet wide and are about 200 ft long. each roll is 26$ dollars plus whatever shippiing is to whereever you are. I order mine from a company called Nasco, their web site is www.enasco.com and the item number is 9712672. Their catalog is a pain if you do not have the item number. hope this is not to late to be helpful. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 21:52:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j262qEcA025445 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:52:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j262pGZj014168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j262oxns057847; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:50:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j262ovkc057789 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005030602505201300oh0vue>; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:50:52 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:50:50 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:50:50 +0000 Message-Id: <030620050250.28689.422A700A000611FC0000701122069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] work stations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm looking at a office supply catalog k-log.com and I'm looking at the ergo adjust workstation that has a dual crank for changing the 'keyboard' part of the split table. The thing I noticed is that it's just a split table, so the keyboard part has a really sturdy support system. It can go up so you can stand at it or low enough to sit comfortably. I was thinking how nice to use this to raise my sewing machine up and down as needed. And thinking how nice it would be to have two, to have an ironing platform right next to me at whatever level I want it. And table space behind both! Then there's the Pneumatic table with the 60x 30 table top that can go 20"-30". I'm thinking cutting table.. Sigh. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 22:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j263Apre025534 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j263AKZj015079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j263AEpW069386; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41825.mail.yahoo.com (web41825.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j263AC1q069288 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15897 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2005 03:10:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ydlSCtPLX5v+oZfJ/997YGWVveNXaCwT1JlnAucwCNvEg6T0hGvNS2xBEOpOTwXmVhKz1Ck+NlhXOQEtNKUlC1Qc5aoiH6evE02IKJY20Prk2WeYba8M8KZlhTWxSBhOqinGzkMpPcwuVR8/7IW/CwVnL3BYWMC7LP4oF4buuA0= ; Message-ID: <20050306031004.15895.qmail@web41825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:10:04 PST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re[h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves/ Thanks for the explanination & photo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK...the red sleeve shows this sleeve type really well, they kinda remind me of the Phillipino ladies sleeves on their fancy dresses(remember Imelad Marcos?)I have no idea how they keep THEM up either. I was cruising "Margospatterns" site yesterday and she has a comfort gown with Mshoitered sleeves. I was kinda sure I knew what they were after that,as the other gown pictured said roll top sleeve(the sausage roll thing) Thanks to ALL for the help.... Melody --- Wicked Frau wrote: > Not sure why this isn't reaching the list, but here > it is again. > Sg > > Wicked Frau wrote: > > > Here is a link to some mockups on various types of > Mahoitered > > sleeves. Sorry the images aren't so hot. Most of > them I accidentally > > saved at a very worthless low resolution. > > > http://saragrace.net/images/Misc/mahoiteredsleeves.htm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 23:10:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j264AgNP025866 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2649rZj018401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2649kEQ005050; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41806.mail.yahoo.com (web41806.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2649iLZ004987 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33604 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2005 04:09:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=or8i91FZp3+GumvYBeeU/DZh96S9GE7fPMLYTm3LMMu6sNGAeBotBy+y1uKyf6q1HvBvc6KDBUR0SpX75st+5eUS9W5wvMt/sE73uAsJa+cR2sKFpfe72gAUNr47fvH8L9cIK9h6zCCgcNNtU47Z+YHfBUQf+2tWL35PaZ7pGKQ= ; Message-ID: <20050306040939.33602.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:09:38 PST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Can anyone give me the general shape of and type of material a Ventian ladies chemise would be. Particularily I need to know the shape of the neckline,(was it pleated into a bead) decorated at all? Sleeves - regular length or longer to pull thru sleeve slashes? Cuffs - banded ,with rufles or not. Is black work seen in this period,or not on Italian clothes.Lace ? I usually do Elizabethean peasant type clothes but decided to "move on up", only the dress I had looked more Italian then English. SO, I figured "why fight it, the dress WANTS to be Italian" But my under wear want to remain english ,SO I need help. Under the skirts, was a hoop or fathingale or crinoline worn to add "poof" to the skirts? To see a close look alike to my dress, go to the realm of Venus web site and look at he painting of the Fasolo family (1560 page), same color & almost pattern, weird thing is I kinda look like the lady in the painting,cept I have red hair. Any info & help would be great Thanks,,,, Melody __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 5 23:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j264jpBm026037 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 23:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j264j9Zj019914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:45:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j264j1J0025782; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j264ixfI025752 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:44:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7ndQ-0001qw-00; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:44:57 -0800 Message-ID: <422A8AD4.9060808@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:45:08 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TheRenaissanceTailor , GermanRenCostume , "h-costume@indra.com" , thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com, TheRenaissanceTailor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bildindex expanding? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh guys, have I stumbled across something new here? It looks like Bildindex is starting to include artwork from all over? I have been typing in various artist names in artcyclopedia.com and almost without fail Bildindex shows up (down at the bottom ususually), then when I click on it, it takes me to Bildindex and there are a collection of the artists paintings from all over??? The Prado, Uffzi etc. Wahoooooo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 10:44:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26FiKcf009056 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26FhIZj017547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26FhAVT097909; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Fh4sS097801 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:43:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICX00FC4SZJYT@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:42:58 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <30197ad30133a1.30133a130197ad@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "vintage" patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought I sent this last night, but it did not seem to show up. If anyone does want them, please email me by tonight as I would like to have husband drop package off at postoffice tomorrow during his lunch break. I found about 6 vintage(70s) patterns in an old swewing machine that i acquired (it was on the side of the road/waiting for garbage truck-machine is from the 40s in a great/neato cabanet) -this was back in summer before i had been basicly incompacitaded by varius problems. I had offered these patterns to whoever wanted them, and had a taker, but have since lost the email. The patterns do smell a little and make me snnize, so-if you are allergic to mold, don't say you want them! also, i have not looked in the envolopes, so i have no idea abouot the state of them. If whoever said they wanted them says "ME", they get first dibs! Thanks, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 12:39:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26Hddvs010169 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26HacaN023723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:38:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HUEjG065070; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:30:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HUCQr064983 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so852316rne for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VkKBAoKDPbe5JMC04umJHZtmfFMSeGqxP319BjtIIuPRytwh16B0lgzk9PTI8LLt2zA2i+wuGzmQEXc35Dpdv5I8mCBVcHAyUt9lGm2FJhg0PilUTTcJTDlbcDCSduByqjE5Nvn4XV29GxqUF62XGQyCdVgL4Gk9OoijKRRX5do= Received: by 10.38.74.10 with SMTP id w10mr21843rna; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac19050306093069a1315e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:30:07 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: Historic Costume List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not costume related, but definitely historical: I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the newer edition? Price is an issue, and while I can find the 1992 edition used (and about $10 cheaper), I can only get the 1999 new. Please advise, Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 12:57:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26HvOiE010311 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:57:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26HulZj025916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Huhwg082485; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26HueJ4082439 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16474 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:10:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac19050306093069a1315e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > newer edition? I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're into studying cursives, as I was. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26JIFT9010955 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JHUZj000956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHKwm028352; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHHY7028305 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so862878rne for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LQdo5thSKHiSzteBShsTpOHqaBeItJV3fE/UnTqedawSKTmj01OPt0L/2PfCf8YE/FCT+gQkDaQ1lO+v+Uk6L2QxKMH4W1ez6zz5Iw4QmOMnAG8/2RuCn009fjrhgKHMVkaU86SimKBGbRfas7Kvb1QQ/xa1+7VABCXkj5rZtGA= Received: by 10.38.151.73 with SMTP id y73mr184275rnd; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:17:16 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > newer edition? > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > into studying cursives, as I was. I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I purchase. > > --Robin > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:18:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26JIFHO010954 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:18:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JHUZj000957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHK1B028356; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JHHsB028307 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so937472rna for ; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LQdo5thSKHiSzteBShsTpOHqaBeItJV3fE/UnTqedawSKTmj01OPt0L/2PfCf8YE/FCT+gQkDaQ1lO+v+Uk6L2QxKMH4W1ez6zz5Iw4QmOMnAG8/2RuCn009fjrhgKHMVkaU86SimKBGbRfas7Kvb1QQ/xa1+7VABCXkj5rZtGA= Received: by 10.38.151.73 with SMTP id y73mr184275rnd; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.3 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:17:16 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > From: Robin Netherton > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > newer edition? > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > into studying cursives, as I was. I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I purchase. > > --Robin > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 14:59:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26Jxjgr011170 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:59:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26JwqZj003388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26JwkLU053608; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Jwi5F053519 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id u.7d.64870db3 (3924) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.64870db3.2f5cbae3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:58:27 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New York City Public Library X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The New York City Public Library has put some interesting images up on its website, and many of them relate to costume of various periods. I thought I'd pass the link along in case you haven't found this already. _http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm_ (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm) --- Tea Rose, surfer extraordinaire and amateur lurker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:06:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26K68vC011200 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:06:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26K5VZj003694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26K5Qvp057799; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26K5OcA057772 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:05:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-31494); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:04:51 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:04:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050306115920.00d73a00@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:05:13 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 In-Reply-To: <7d21ac1905030611174e7edaba@mail.gmail.com> References: <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> <200503061901.j26J0wGJ017777@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 02:17 PM 3/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0700 (MST), h-costume-request@indra.com > wrote: > > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:09:59 -0600 (CST) > > From: Robin Netherton > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 > > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, A. Thurman wrote: > > > > > I'm looking to purchase this book and I'm discovering that there are > > > two editions: one from 1992 and another from 1999 (ISBNs 0866980865 > > > and 1-889818-15-1, respectively). > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there are any substantial improvements in the > > > newer edition? > > > > I know nothing about the 1999 edition, but I have a copy of the 1992. If > > someone else has the 1999, I'll be happy to compare a description off-list > > (e.g. no. of pages, illustrations, etc.) > > > > It looks like a really good book, though as it turns out I didn't use it > > much because I stopped pursuing handwriting study at about the time I > > bought it. I would also recommend Parkes' _English Cursive Book Hands > > 1250-1500_ and Hector's _The Handwriting of English Documents_ if you're > > into studying cursives, as I was. > >I'm mostly trying to figure out how to decipher the "secretary" >alphabet/script used on so many formal documents. Drea Leed >recommended this book to me, but if one edition has more examples or >clearer illustrations than the other, I'd like to know before I >purchase. > > > > --Robin > > >Allison T. I have a copy of "Elizabethan Handwriting 1500-1650: A Manual" by Giles Dawson and Laetitia Kennedy-Skipton of the Folger Shakespeare Library, 1966 (no ISBN). I used it when I transcribed a will from 1590 (I received a photocopy of the manuscript from the public record from a kind English friend). I'm not familiar with the other English handwriting books, but can testify that this one is very good. I was able to find a copy a few years ago on the used book market for $25 + tax and shipping. One of my best bargains. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:47:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26KlpRp011423 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:47:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26KkpZj006104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Kkjtf083646; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26KkcM2083540 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 20:46:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306204311.014b67f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:44:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing In-Reply-To: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:19 04/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings All! > >You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that >a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i >am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of >where I can find some? > >I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think >1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have >worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. > >Any and all help is appreciated! > >Thanks in Advance, >Kit >If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - >Kenneth Cole There are some quilted early 19th century dressing gown/banyans in the V and A. I have pictures in a "Costume" journal, but as I have 27 of these it may take a while to find them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 15:49:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26KntLh011440 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26KnGZj006272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26KnFxs085293; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26KnArj085201 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:49:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 20:49:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306204657.014b69a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:47:17 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing In-Reply-To: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:19 04/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings All! > >You know those wonderful frilly beribboned Bed Jackets/Dressing Gowns that >a lady would have eaten her breakfast in while still in her room? Well, i >am looking for some photos of one. Does anyone have any suggestions of >where I can find some? > >I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think >1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have >worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. > >Any and all help is appreciated! > >Thanks in Advance, >Kit >If you walk a mile in someone else's shoes, do you get to keep them? - >Kenneth Cole Try here - a better source than me. Suzi http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/BANYAN.HTM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 17:58:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26MwtaD011996 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26Mw4Zj013360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26MvtpH062838; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26Mvm2Z062762 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:57:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D84h2-0002ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 14:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:58:01 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Had to share X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen several of the same paintings under several different artists. http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! Darn! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 18:47:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j26NlSLs012273 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j26NkqZj016236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26NkkMw091013; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26NkirS090983 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18617 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > ... > > ... > http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 > anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 > > Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! The tinyurl version worked for me. What do you mean about h-cost no longer "taking" it? I love her self-portrait. The eyes! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 19:34:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j270Yeoq012443 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:34:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j270XnZj018913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j270XfCZ019043; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j270Xbuf018894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.42] (acty3042.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.42]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j270XLPe019082 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:25 -0500 Message-ID: <422BA14A.6050603@dandy.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:33:14 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: English Handwriting 1400-1650 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi. I, too, only have the '92 edition (got it at the Folger, still has the receipt in it). On the handwriting subject, another good book is "The Handwriting of the Renaissance" by Samuel A. Tannenbaum 1930 Columbia University Press. Don't know if it has ever been reprinted, but you can sometimes find copies online. Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 20:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27129HX012534 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:02:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2710MZj020387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2710ItP035597; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2710Gpt035511 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.fe.eb32a68 (3956) for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century \'bum roll\' To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:10:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ewalpole@iimetro.com.au writes: I got the impression it was more sort of heart shaped with the padding concentrated over the hips (to the side) and little to no padding at the back. This sorta Pannier pad that you describe here would work to about 1780s but if I remember correctly you were talking about a mid to late 1780s silhouette....so the padding at the back is right. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 21:27:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j272R2b1013091 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j272NOZj024977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j272NFaD084705; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j272NAS1084634 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D87tm-00076R-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:23:10 -0800 Message-ID: <422BBB1C.4070904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:23:24 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How silly of me. I meant to delete the TinyUrl before I sent it. I would not have expected it to pass with it. They have been bouncing for me lately. But I am glad to see that at least they sometimes work! Robin Netherton wrote: >On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > > > >>Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 22:01:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2731Riv013197 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2730NZj026983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27303Ka007287; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j272xT4S006948 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 40693 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 02:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20050307025924.40691.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.22] by web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:59:24 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:59:24 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20050306040939.33602.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Melody, I just replied to your personal email - how weird to find you have also posted here! :-) > Can anyone give me the general shape of and type of > material a Ventian ladies chemise would be. Most likely linen - the finer the better for a noblewoman. As for general shape, I'm afraid we don't have an extant camicie that has been proven to be Venetian, but I have a little about several extant Italian camcie, and list them starting here... You'll find a link to subsequent pages at the bottom of each page. > Particularily I need to know the shape of the > neckline,(was it pleated into a bead) decorated at > all? Yes, often pleated to a band, with neckline "frills" often. Sometimes decorated with monochrome embroidery in black or red (less common), often trimmed with lace as the pic of extant camicie above will show. > Sleeves - regular length or longer to pull thru sleeve > slashes? You'll find different opinions, but mine is that yes, sometimes they were longer to pull through sleeve slashes and fill poufs. > Cuffs - banded ,with rufles or not. I've only seen uncuffed, loose camicie sleeve ends in Venice, although most of the extant Italian camicie have cuffs of some sort. See Venetian examples here: > Is black work > seen in this period,or not on Italian clothes.Lace ? See my answer regarding decoration, above. > Under the skirts, was a hoop or fathingale or > crinoline worn to add "poof" to the skirts? Not as far as I know, although roped petticoats/underskirts are a definite possibility. Hope this has helped, ===== Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ©Any intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 6 22:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j273bXKJ013284 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j273XvZj028986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j273XonU028366; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j273Xlpm028296 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:33:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:33:42 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:33:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> <005f01c52071$2f6e05a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2005 03:33:42.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[75EA5E50:01C522C6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Washing machine will work fine, but if you need to use a lot of water, you'll also need to use a lot of dye for it to be concentrated enough to work well, unless you have one of those cool European machines. Also, you'll need to be really careful that the machine doesn't empty itself before it's soaked long enough to take in the dye. Dylon will not run the way RIT does. It will run the first few washes, but after that, in my experience, it's pretty steady. Good luck! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 00:04:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2754779013561 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:04:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2753CZj004042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2752vjM082109; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2752shh082029 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17006 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 05:02:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=x5UEYQek1Jgr9uhdoNLgRVyybsJxrM4z3VaeZX4QISyTL4EzJJBLAjlzHXIKRuocE6FmcywVUllkbScFl2d+G79+n2EoY4Ds3oXx7PoNoMN7R+vfPGOE+D3dXWA/ACJjqjf6GMzzvdKc8n93MkrV2wmJT8yBRlU4skTpEkEoDME= ; Message-ID: <20050307050249.17004.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:02:49 PST Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes That's me, I discovered H-cost. list and am in heaven, I just read my personal email and between the two posts you've helped Enormously! Now to take all this info and make it look like the painting, by April,I just might have a chance. Thanks again.! Hope all is better now at home....been there. Sending good thoughts your wway..... Melody --- Bella wrote: > Hi Melody, I just replied to your personal email - > how weird to find you have also posted here! :-) > ***** SNIP***** >> > Hope this has helped, > Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac > ©Any intellectual material in this message is > copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) > ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 05:34:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27AYPJG008813 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 05:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27AXjZj018696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27AXYuT062921; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27AXVc4062893 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:33:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j27AXSir010112 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:33:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:18:34 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > >http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 >anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 > >Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! >Darn! Greetings, The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones that are showing up under other artist's names? Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 06:00:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27B0Yc8016968 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:00:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27AxnZj020062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27Axj6b077499; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:59:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27Av10A075814 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:57:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j27Aj2Cl014383 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:45:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:55:16 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> References: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric to sell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings all... Excuse this one announcement...I will be listing a bunch of fabric for sale on the Swap & Sell yahoo groups. I should have it up tomorrow with photos. It is primarily silks with a bit of wool so feel free to email me if you are interested. If you aren't a member of the swap & sell group and wish to join, please make sure you mention the fact that you are an H-Costume member in your membership request. Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 08:09:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27D9nIe017550 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27D91Zj026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27D8plC050864; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27D8nV8050840 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D8Hya-0003J9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 05:08:48 -0800 Message-ID: <422C5270.7080407@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:09:04 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO No, actually it is the fellow in the cape and a few of the women playing piano....hmmm. Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am > surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in > particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the > ones that are showing up under other artist's names? > > Cheers, > Danielle > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 09:56:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27EuwoX018387 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27EWmZj001623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWUs1007336; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from aspirin.dii.utk.edu (aspirin.dii.utk.edu [160.36.0.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWPrs007273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by aspirin.dii.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27EWGmh012167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:32:20 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:32:20 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) Message-ID: <423901A0@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I take it back! I just ran across it in a google image search for Sofonisba at http://www.rccr.cremona.it/anguissola/sofonisba.htm Unfortunately I don't read Italian. I'm also seeing some other things (via google) that I'm not sure if I've seen before either. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 10:20:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27FK2w7018501 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27FJ6Zj005493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FJ29v042880; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50409.mail.yahoo.com (web50409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j27FIwhP042729 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:18:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73305 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 15:18:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zwuigpVoMnHgTOT/nva8fkHMxJ1ci7GlMhlbvr8kle8Icc2pvOUL3gLwaI7C8DVKAq5e9FAMWgvOxXEv2Pu2Q6oQRFAeYjpScqu6RBWkkmviAEV23p2ygk6is4t6t5RYEDWG2SluA6L3rEadwog4zQW3JHDw95mrpVOkNlM/wf0= ; Message-ID: <20050307151853.73303.qmail@web50409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.82.36.12] by web50409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:18:52 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: Re[h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves/ Thanks for the explanination & photo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I lived in the Philippines, I seem to recall that a lot of the fancy sleeves you are describing were of a very stiff cloth--I believe the pineapple cloth - and lots and LOTS of embroidery. There's now a bridal designer from Manila using a lot of their techniques for unique bridal gowns--I'll have to see if I can find his card, the website had a few shots that are worth looking at! Unfortunately for me, I outgrew all of the clothes from there, and they are all gone. *sigh* But my goddaughter's maternal family is from there, so maybe I can start coaxing/bribing for new ones in my adult size! Angharat/ wolfcat --- Melody Watts wrote: > OK...the red sleeve shows this sleeve type really > well, they kinda remind me of the Phillipino ladies > sleeves on their fancy dresses(remember Imelad > Marcos?)I have no idea how they keep THEM up either. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 10:26:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27FQ82E018541 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:26:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27FOOZj005898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FOJlq047115; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27FOFpv046963 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:24:05 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Had to share Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:24:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcUjAjU8XSy17gYWSYqCSY8kj0CDUgAJyzVA Message-Id: <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could the plaid paintings be copies that have been changed? The link Jerusha sent shows the same painting of the artist's mother but I could swear the bodice looks like it has either been slashed or tucked. Anne At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > Greetings, The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones that are showing up under other artist's names? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 13:14:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j27IEcUS019448 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j27IDnZj024782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27IDX27009443; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27IDU7V009075 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 4F0091387B3; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:13:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust97.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.97]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B899138690 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:13:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <087801c52341$73a7cb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] tinyurl (was: Had to share) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:14:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When tinyurl first came out, I used it for a little while, then quit because the links only worked about 1/2 the time. Its batting average seems to have improved, but I expect the same info storage/programming/whatever problem still exists. These two sites do the same thing, however, and have worked every time for me: http://snipurl.com and the ironically long-addressed http://www.makeashorterlink.com/ -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:08:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j28182mY021952 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2816hZj007344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2816Tqt078856; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2816RSm078760 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skskaw@comcast.net) Received: from mom1 (c-24-21-113-38.client.comcast.net[24.21.113.38]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050308010622012001q44ke>; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 01:06:22 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.6.3]); Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: <013301c5237b$13696130$6f01a8c0@mom1> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: "Historical Costume" References: <423901A0@webmail.utk.edu> Subject: Re: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:06:36 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I get a fair translation, a bit choppy, but readable, putting in paragraphs at a time with Babel Fish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ I did not get the translate the whole site thing to work. SKneeland >I take it back! I just ran across it in a google image search for >Sofonisba > at http://www.rccr.cremona.it/anguissola/sofonisba.htm > > Unfortunately I don't read Italian. I'm also seeing some other things > (via > google) that I'm not sure if I've seen before either. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:15:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281FZe4021992 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281EjZj008081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281Eg7P085176; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j281EbFL085100 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 7076 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 01:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.3.23) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 01:14:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:20:42 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <087801c52341$73a7cb70$0400a8c0@compaqub> Message-Id: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be months before I see the book. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281N8w3022023 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:23:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281LrZj008670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281Lo9E090746; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.mail.utk.edu (jaguar.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281LlkT090706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by jaguar.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281LmW1011099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:21:52 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:21:42 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Message-ID: <4231300C@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book > from US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 > US for airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail > or it'll be months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen Depending on the size of the book, you might use one of those "flat-rate" express/priority mail envelopes (the "cardboard" ones). I shipped several books in them to Europe because they would fit in the envelope. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 20:56:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j281uTYr022209 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j281tUZj011402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281tQWZ014741; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281tOYm014712 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.57.218] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D8TwQ-0008PV-Pi for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c52381$dfbc9a80$da399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:55:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bf013dd75b8c037d1a8ef0f7e9639529f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.218 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aylwen wrote: > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from > US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for > airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be > months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen > The link below will take you to the USPS rates for Australia. If your book weighs less than four pounds and can fit in the large global priority mail flat rate envelope, it can be shipped for $9US and get to you in 4-6 days. A small book might fit in the smaller envelope and ship for $5US. Cheaper and faster than what you've been quoted so far, but this would require someone to ship this way for you. Many businesses do not because they have contracts with other shippers. I have used GPM successfully to Europe and Asia, so if you can swing it, try it. Truly cheap rates are under economy mail book rates and letter-post rates, but I don't know what the delivery time is. GPM guarantees 4-6 days, and is occasionally faster. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan http://pe.usps.gov/text/imm/immicl/immiclab_012.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 7 22:36:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j283aJcJ022640 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:36:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j283YuZj018946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j283YkT2082068; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j283Yi7k082037 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D8VUa-0003wM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:34:44 -0800 Message-ID: <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:34:59 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric to sell References: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Errr which group is this on Yahoo specifically? Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings all... > > Excuse this one announcement...I will be listing a bunch of fabric for > sale on the Swap & Sell yahoo groups. I should have it up tomorrow > with photos. It is primarily silks with a bit of wool so feel free to > email me if you are interested. If you aren't a member of the swap & > sell group and wish to join, please make sure you mention the fact > that you are an H-Costume member in your membership request. > > Cheers, > Danielle > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 00:01:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2851AX8023039 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j284u4aN025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j284hZwD025867; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j284hXNE025742 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31111 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:56:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:56:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric to sell In-Reply-To: <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > Errr which group is this on Yahoo specifically? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ We also have another: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ Maybe these should be merged... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 00:12:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j285Ccsa023073 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j285BoZj026106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j285B5gp042853; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j285Aw9D042771 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B5401AB for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 971CB3985; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:10:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.72] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCLTPhAAi+2gEAAAAB,d22ea0f99283a963b00e4ffe5f38983e Message-Id: <20050308051057.971CB3985@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you considered UPS or FedEx? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Helen Pinto" wrote: From: "Helen Pinto" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:55:09 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Aylwen wrote: > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from > US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for > airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be > months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen > The link below will take you to the USPS rates for Australia. If your book weighs less than four pounds and can fit in the large global priority mail flat rate envelope, it can be shipped for $9US and get to you in 4-6 days. A small book might fit in the smaller envelope and ship for $5US. Cheaper and faster than what you've been quoted so far, but this would require someone to ship this way for you. Many businesses do not because they have contracts with other shippers. I have used GPM successfully to Europe and Asia, so if you can swing it, try it. Truly cheap rates are under economy mail book rates and letter-post rates, but I don't know what the delivery time is. GPM guarantees 4-6 days, and is occasionally faster. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan http://pe.usps.gov/text/imm/immicl/immiclab_012.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 06:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j28BI6vr003983 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j28BH5Zj016001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j28BGud5055355; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j28BGsq1055328 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j28BGpWa018312 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 05:16:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050308051142.00c0f850@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:13:53 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <20050307152405.VSNF6521.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER > References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050307041415.00b73600@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know. It is possible, especially since the proportions (which normally is excellent at) are a bit off in those portraits. I wonder if they are actually the work of one of her sisters. The one on the other site just looks like a poor scan of the image to me, rather than tucking or slashing. Cheers, Danielle At 10:24 AM 3/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Could the plaid paintings be copies that have been changed? The link >Jerusha sent shows the same painting of the artist's mother but I could >swear the bodice looks like it has either been slashed or tucked. Anne > >At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. > > >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to > >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen > >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > > >Greetings, > >The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am >surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in >particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones >that are showing up under other artist's names? > >Cheers, >Danielle > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 20:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j291wem6010494 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:58:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j291vjZj005378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j291vT3w015736; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com (web41901.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j291vQdP015628 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45770 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2005 01:57:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO DId this get through???? I am havign trouble sending my reply to my subscription to this list to be active.... Lady Satine --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 21:05:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2925Dpg010781 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2924mZj005868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2924jLF020795; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:04:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2924hbT020767 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-7537); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:04:42 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:04:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050308180402.00d77710@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:04:39 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to list and having trouble. In-Reply-To: <20050309015720.45768.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 05:57 PM 3/8/2005 -0800, you wrote: >DId this get through???? I am havign trouble sending my reply to my >subscription to this list to be active.... > >Lady Satine Yes. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 22:40:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j293evxv011378 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j293e5Zj016506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j293drKK087729; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j293doXe087646 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:39:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.ba.6d30db3b (18707) for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:39:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] handweaver X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We are looking for another person who is skilled in weaving authentic fabrics of wool and blends of wool, linen and cotton (no synthetics). If this person is familiar with handspinning and/or vegetable dyeing so much the better. We would prefer someone who is familiar with twills and plain weaves that are suitable for 18c & 19c clothing. Please feel free to forward this email to anyone you feel may be interested. Thank you. Best regards, Susannah B. Smith Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 8 23:11:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j294BMsp011477 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j294AmZj022719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j294AgIx009859; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:10:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (fed1rmmtao08.cox.net [68.230.241.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j294AfWG009763 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladys123@cox.net) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.56]) by fed1rmmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050309041020.ZCJA18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:10:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: To: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:10:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050309041020.ZCJA18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:inca costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank everyone for your suggestions. I'm sorry I've taken so long to respond. I'm specifically looking at colonial textiles (1550-1700ish) because there are quite a few extant garments from that period as well as a Spanish manuscript with numerous illustrations. I was hoping to find a resource I hadn't uncovered, such as Indian Clothing before Cortez. But, I would be very interested in you pictures, Kathleen. Thanks again, Meghan > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:37:58 -0500 > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] inca womens costume > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <007c01c5142c$bbab2800$6e5183d1@rmitchellras> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I believe I might have some pic's of Inca Costume. I am confused about the > 'colonial' part of your question. > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:03 AM > Subject: [h-cost] inca womens costume > > > > Hello, > > > > I thought someone here might have some knowledge about colonial native > Inca womens' costume. I'm a college art history student and my professor is > allowing me to write a paper analyzing extant garments and period depictions > but I'm having a harder time coming up with them than I thought I would. I > hope there are some other non-western lovers out there to take pity on me > and help out. > > > > Thanks, I'll return to lurk mode now, > > > > Meghan Draper > > Elizabethan enthusiast, non-western art student > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 110 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 9 12:02:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29H2trC020354 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:02:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j29H1TZj002585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29H12d2006248; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:01:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29H0t3Q006154 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1C73FC60 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9DFAA3960; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CLyvDAAJzyQEAAAAB,89644d3e65694dd1fbdd1c77313dc592 Message-Id: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this is probably waaay late, but here it is anyway.... ( I'm not behind with reading my mail, no.....only a month or so!!! ) --- Lynn Downward wrote: wrote: > > Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended > use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by > color/ print? > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 9 12:50:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29Hnw4I032116 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:49:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j29HnKZj007842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29HnD67051870; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j29Hn2cr051632 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 17:48:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:47:16 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization In-Reply-To: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:00 09/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I know this is probably waaay late, but here it is anyway.... >( I'm not behind with reading my mail, no.....only a month or so!!! ) > >--- Lynn Downward wrote: > >I think this may the article you have in mind. > >http://www.bitwizards.com/norborough/timetosew.html It is a great idea, but as a professional costume maker, with drawers and boxes full of fabrics from 20 years and more back, I don't have the time to do all of that! Besides, I would miss those wonderful moments that go "I didn't know I had that!!" I had occasion to dive into a couple of filing cabinets the other day, and found 10 metres of grey drill - I use white drill to line my bodices and have no need of grey. This was bought by a customer in bulk for a job, and he never took the remains, and of course I have lost touch with him. But I also found a length of green wool for a skirt, which I vaguely remember buying when I was a college (!), a length of green silk, and ditto blue striped silk which I shall use *eventually*!! I would miss all of that if I was organised!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 9 13:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29IvINL015666 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j29ItBZj015233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29It6NB012208; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j29IssF7011886 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2005 18:54:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309185025.014b91e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:53:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell .edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 13:40 09/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Not to dismiss the fun of those little re-discoveries... but it is well >worth it... > >>with drawers and boxes full of fabrics from 20 years and more back, I >>don't have the time to do all of that! > >And besides... that's what Graduate Students are for. AND >Tongue Firmly in Cheek. > >Mari / Bridgette Nice idea, but there is barely room for me and the cat! And the last student I had, I spent two days sewing on the peacock feathers she had taken four days to sew on. (All hers came off immediately! and there were 800 to sew on - urgh!)) You can see why I am *off* students at the moment. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 9 14:09:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29J9eTS015763 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j29J7Fcx016492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29IeMw2098417; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29Ie9ne098201 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:40:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j29Ie85d026702 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:40:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:40:06 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> References: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not to dismiss the fun of those little re-discoveries... but it is well worth it... >with drawers and boxes full of fabrics from 20 years and more back, I >don't have the time to do all of that! And besides... that's what Graduate Students are for. AND Tongue Firmly in Cheek. Mari / Bridgette Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 03:47:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2A8lraf015973 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:47:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2A8kvZj003506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:46:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A8keMk035788; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A8kcfx035772 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:46:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2A8YWCl017586 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:34:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:42:37 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309185025.014b91e0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 04:01:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2A91XIn019665 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2A90mZj004443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A90f5b044013; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:00:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A90dQe043934 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200503100900340150041ikse>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:00:34 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c5254f$a3655b60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu><5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1><20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:00:41 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't seen much from the list lastly. Send me your post and I will see if I can get it through. BTW, my husband started designing my color database tonight. Lets hope he sticks with it! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? > Greetings, > > Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on > the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting > parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 04:23:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2A9NEiG025448 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:23:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2A9McZj006863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A9MZmx056512; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A9MXrR056191 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:22:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2A9Lud14596.; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:21:56 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:21:56 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:21:30 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Perhaps a repeat of the recent problem but affecting different people? I'm still getting messages this time, but very few of them. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17c reenactor >>> dannw@mn.rr.com 10/03/2005 08:42:37 >>> Greetings, Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 09:07:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AE7eeQ023331 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:07:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AE6pZj013180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AE6aQ0023467; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AE6XWZ023356 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:06:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m46.in-tch.com [216.166.191.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2AE2m819207 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:02:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <423055A1.3030501@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:11:45 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm fine, here (Montana, local ISP). I've seen your messages. Perhaps there's a delay with your ISP? --sue Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on > the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting > parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 09:42:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AEgNiL023591 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:42:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AEeKZj016080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AEeG66047842; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AEe9Up047705 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:40:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-67-163-120-131.client.comcast.net[67.163.120.131]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005031014400401400jl78se>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:40:04 +0000 Message-ID: <03e101c5257e$ffa35b50$6401a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net><5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <423055A1.3030501@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:36:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I never saw the posts about the Oscars that I made either. When I log into the interface of the list it shows a bounce history but no way to clear it. Or what caused the bounce to see if we can tell our ISP's that something is up. Help. :) (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? : I'm fine, here (Montana, local ISP). I've seen your messages. Perhaps : there's a delay with your ISP? : --sue : : Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: : > Greetings, : > : > Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on : > the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting : > parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? : > : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 10:02:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AF2tng023744 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:02:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AF26Zj018005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AF22Ix064513; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AF1x7a064457 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D9PAl-0004wu-00; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:01:59 -0800 Message-ID: <4230617E.6020405@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , h-costume-owner@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes the same thing is happening to me. I have cc'd the Liz. Kate M Bunting wrote: >Perhaps a repeat of the recent problem but affecting different people? >I'm still getting messages this time, but very few of them. > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17c reenactor > > > >>>>dannw@mn.rr.com 10/03/2005 08:42:37 >>> >>>> >>>> >Greetings, > >Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on >the >list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting parts >of >discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? > >Cheers, >Danielle > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >______________________________________________________________________ >This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >______________________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 11:32:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AGWMhu024580 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:32:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AGV6Zj029523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AGUqlp041218; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f4.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AGUlYe041053 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_4557@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.19.213.164 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:30:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.19.213.164] X-Originating-Email: [elena_4557@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elena_4557@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4230617E.6020405@earthlink.net> From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh Atha An Ri" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 16:30:41.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FEA9170:01C5258E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Interesting. I got this on my hotmail account, but not my comcast account. Very strange indeed. >From: Wicked Frau >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume , h-costume-owner@net.indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0700 > >Yes the same thing is happening to me. I have cc'd the Liz. > >Kate M Bunting wrote: > >>Perhaps a repeat of the recent problem but affecting different people? >>I'm still getting messages this time, but very few of them. >> >>Kate Bunting >>Librarian and 17c reenactor >> >> >> >>>>>dannw@mn.rr.com 10/03/2005 08:42:37 >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>Greetings, >> >>Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on >>the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting >>parts >>of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? >> >>Cheers, >>Danielle >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >>For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >>______________________________________________________________________ >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Elena O'Tighearnaigh A'tha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares Gia Gavino _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 11:38:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AGcC80024632 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AGbGZj000435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AGbDTw046467; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AGbALB046360 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:37:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1004298wra for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=q7IB2VTqSRmwi/kVp5EPowEqbFWXkFqQkzKFuXpWRb90/fqXhUXF8v6hiOuijgo+QkBkGN4Eg8ORLjiEMaNPw+rpCR9tzKrs8G9NR2VgsaVyz9+wgjJa2dHfKILPqFP5qy+Yqf5YtnlNkuv4syne4Mj1TLwXDby8qPnvY4N5Wsc= Received: by 10.54.71.17 with SMTP id t17mr1825082wra; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c050310083667b5621@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4230617E.6020405@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm not having any problems -- that I know of -- but I seem to remember that Liz is away for most of March. LynnD On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:40 -0800, Elena O'Tighearnaigh Atha An Ri wrote: > Interesting. I got this on my hotmail account, but not my comcast account. > > Very strange indeed. > > >From: Wicked Frau > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: Historical Costume , h-costume-owner@net.indra.com > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? > >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0700 > > > >Yes the same thing is happening to me. I have cc'd the Liz. > > > >Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > >>Perhaps a repeat of the recent problem but affecting different people? > >>I'm still getting messages this time, but very few of them. > >> > >>Kate Bunting > >>Librarian and 17c reenactor > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>dannw@mn.rr.com 10/03/2005 08:42:37 >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>Greetings, > >> > >>Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on > >>the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting > >>parts > >>of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? > >> > >>Cheers, > >>Danielle > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >>For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Elena O'Tighearnaigh A'tha An Ri > Emer's Needle Wares > Gia Gavino > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 18:08:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AN8HIZ028093 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:08:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AN7XZj014441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AN6jGO010959; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AN6ewV010804 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4525D7BA1 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9E5E8 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:33 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hoop storage? Thread-Index: AcUluQ16oWvpMBsITreg+ZUB9fsPWwAC9k+A From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 23:06:33.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD63C520:01C525C5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2AN6ewV010804 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? Thanks!! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 18:08:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2AN8Uwh028100 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2AN7XZj014442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AN6jfu010955; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AN6eCb010806 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1617BAC for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3FC5ED for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.178]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:33 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh22.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hoop storage? Thread-Index: AcUluQ16oWvpMBsITreg+ZUB9fsPWwAC9k+A From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2005 23:06:33.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD63C520:01C525C5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2AN6eCb010806 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? Thanks!! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 18:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ANbSOA028315 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:37:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ANapZj017516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ANa8XO036510; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ANZx9S036398 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D9XCB-0000iY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:35:59 -0800 Message-ID: <4230D9F8.1080205@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:36:24 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually I collapse (so it is just concentric circles) mine and tie a cord around it and hang them in the closet at the end of the rod against a wall. But another way which is period and is good for tot'n is to make a round bag! Sg sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: >What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to >twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is >now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > >Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use >with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out >a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort >the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? > Thanks!! > -sunny > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 18:57:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ANvHem028452 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:57:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ANudZj019720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ANuaH5054235; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:56:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ANuWVA054140 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LLRKJJPIGWIVBETI@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:56:27 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LLRKJK6W12IGU61Y@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:56:28 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:56:41 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? In-reply-to: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4230DEB9.3040807@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: >What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >version, in specific)? > Well, I don't own any such thing, but if I did, I'd probably either put it in the back of the closet behind the clothes, or I'd put it under the bed. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 19:27:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B0Rk1r029639 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B0QqZj022508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B0Qg6S077915; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B0QNLq077600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2B0IVov008953 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:18:31 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4230E5A8.1030303@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:26:16 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mine (not that I've used them in 10 years) are on a hangar, just a regular one, with the hoops bunched up flat. (Hi Sunny!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 19:35:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B0ZhNe029719 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:35:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B0Z7Zj023253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B0Z4cj084383; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2B0Z0rE084305 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-20755); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:35:00 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050310162911.00d747d0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:34:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agil ent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:06 PM 3/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to >twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is >now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > >Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use >with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out >a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort >the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? > Thanks!! > -sunny I just hang them untwisted. I've taken a wire coat hanger and made it into a big hook to hang the hoops on and just hang them in the closet. I have transported hoops twisted to fit the top of a hat box, but I don't store them that way. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 19:47:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B0lqtc029881 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:47:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B0lDZj024318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B0lAQi093616; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B0l71t093523 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:47:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2374C18001BF for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:47:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Mar 2005 00:47:00 -0000 Received: by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7469A86B0E; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:47:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [149.169.241.121] by ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:47:00 -0500 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:47:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.121 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050311004700.7469A86B0E@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2B0l71t093523 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got one hoop hanging from a nail on the wall, and another in the box it came in under the bed. The box appears to be a ordinary cardboard box that has been flattened. 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The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 21:15:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B2F9fQ030606 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:15:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B2ECZj000247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:14:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B2E3rA056565; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:14:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2B2DvdX056429 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from btana@juno.com) Received: from webmail34.nyc.untd.com (webmail34.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.174]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDB9Y2A2MM6FS for (sender ); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MW/ewWa+Q2FG65sHxVDc3aeJoPMv1nirEOSNe/3ysiI= Received: (from btana@juno.com) by webmail34.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KMSC9XJZ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:13:31 PST Received: from [64.136.26.225] by webmail34.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:13:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.225] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Astrid of the Horde" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:13:22 GMT To: h-costume@net.indra.com X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050310.181331.8439.133950@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:872586324 X-MAIL-INFO: 0e04400c252471008189b13530a9d10ded209431e1c1a9a1fd64b99d41199d85ad41c919c9c999d41491c5c059a0e0e5bde0d949e5f0bdf0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi everyone, I am more lurker than poster on this list, but I have a question. I'm trying to locate a "users manual" for a sewing machine that I have, but I can't find it, or even the parent company to know where to start. The best I can get is that it's a seam master model 101 and it appears that it was made in Japan. Everything that is in/on that machine states that it was from Japan, and it's from somewhere around the 1940's or 1950's. I got it from a friend because she was definitely not a sewer, so had no use for it, and she inherited it from her mom or grandmother, I don't know which. Anyhow, if I could get some idea of where to start, or if someone just might know how to thread it correctly (that's the BIGGEST problem I have), I appreciate it. The machine has all the threading done from the spool peg, to a guide at the top back, and then comes around to be threaded on the left side of the machine, not on the front as most of the newer models are these days. So,! any help... I'm planning to let someone use the machine in just over a week, and it would help if I were able to actually thread it! Thanks much in advance. I appreciate any direction to locate a manual, or even just be able to correctly thread it. Pat Tucker Astrid of the Horde Never argue with a Dragon, for thou art crunchy and go well with Brie. ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! 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Make Yahoo! your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 21:41:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B2fUBD030843 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:41:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B2e9Zj001801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B2e6t9075273; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B2e4Kr075225 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D9a4I-0005da-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:40:03 -0800 Message-ID: <42310517.2010703@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:23 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4230617E.6020405@earthlink.net> <8296995c050310083667b5621@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c050310083667b5621@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] National Geographic Foot binding presentation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If any of you can catch it, there will be another showing of this at 10:00 pacific. Veryyyyyy interesting! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 22:22:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B3M3KX031161 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:22:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B3L4Zj004330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3KtJX005201; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:20:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f2.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3KrNe005101 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:20:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms_lindy39@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:20:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.25.56.211 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:20:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.25.56.211] X-Originating-Email: [ms_lindy39@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ms_lindy39@hotmail.com From: "N n" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:20:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 03:20:47.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[51C1F300:01C525E9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Satin yellowing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw a while back about trying to make yellowing satin white again. Can someone let me know how to do this? I have a pair of shoes that I need to try and get a little whiter. Thanks Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 22:41:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B3fCIN031274 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:41:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B3eNZj005469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:40:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3eKSP018724; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3eHI0018677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-41.sonic.net [209.148.114.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3eGmq010215 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:16 -0800 Message-ID: <42311328.1050708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:40:24 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kebayas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone know where online to buy vintage kebayas (Indonesian blouses)? Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 22:47:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B3lJB6031334 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:47:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B3kTZj005840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3kO6K023116; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3kLgw023087 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-0-224.s224.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) (66.44.0.224) by smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2005 22:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <42311487.80905@erols.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:46:15 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <421fdfef.86d.0@pcez.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO roscelin wrote: > I believe David is commenting about the websites you shared with me about the > horse patterns. > Yes, David, those dragons are also great. But I know for me they look a bit > more challenging than I want to tackle right now. I'll have to take a look > at the site that you mentioned. > Isn't a Pallo a form of hobby horse/animal? A head of an animal with a long > stick for the body? Yes. Occasional the local SCA groups have an event to recreate the Italian Pallo, by having runners with "stick horses" or pallos I hope to have a dragon mount for the next time the races come around. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 10 22:50:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B3o5pf031357 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B3nVZj006030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3nUxe025394; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B3nSiM025364 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-0-224.s224.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) (66.44.0.224) by smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2005 22:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: <42311543.5050202@erols.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:49:23 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Dragons was Re: [h-cost] Horse pattern References: <4210e0a7.584b.0@pcez.com><421178BC.10100@earthlink.net> <42125EAA.1020201@earthlink.net><421E45D6.5050506@erols.com> <421FBC48.4000102@earthlink.net> <386001c51c12$30a9a360$6401a8c0@ches> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > : David, what is a Pallo? Also, I don't see the link you speak of > : (....another site with more dragon doll patterns (attached above)....) I started at http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id26.htm On left hand side is a advert for Hyacinth Studios Drako the Dragon, a STUNNING MERMAID, Ziggy the Dragon, Ludwig and his Friend, BEAR patterns and a bear kit! http://clothdollpatterns.com/patterns3/id35.htm Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 00:02:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B52jtV031792 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B51cZj010459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B51SAV073610; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2B51OeQ073559 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:01:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-17522); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:01:24 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:01:24 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050310205957.00d7dce0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:01:18 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Satin yellowing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:20 PM 3/10/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I saw a while back about trying to make yellowing satin white again. Can >someone let me know how to do this? I have a pair of shoes that I >need to try and get a little whiter. >Thanks >Mary Unfortunately, the conclusion was that such yellowing is usually permanent since it is generally due to an actual chemical change in the fibers. Most attempts at whitening will simply destroy the fabric. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 00:54:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B5snB9032119 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B5sDZj013213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:54:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B5s0EY006221; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B5rwjX006158 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005031105535201400jkr7le>; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:53:52 +0000 Message-ID: <007301c525fe$b8fd5c20$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.2.2.20050310162911.00d747d0@pop.surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:53:59 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have you thought about getting one of those ironing board hangers for the back of a door? Seems that would work for a sturdy hanger. I have seen people using the clothes bags. I would be leery of under the bed, except if you vacuum under it frequently. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 02:44:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2B7irU5011915 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:44:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2B7huZj019128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:43:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B7hnRJ074311; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50606.mail.yahoo.com (web50606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2B7hjde074213 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:43:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 63314 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2005 07:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050311074339.63312.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:43:39 EST Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503110348.j2B3m7Pi024445@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: maskmaking X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Angelique, That could possibly have been me. I hav done some research on Venetian maskmaking, concentrating on Martedi Grasso and everyday wear masks. http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/Venetian_Masks.html HTH, Kathy > I swear it was from this list I got the > information. A few months ago someone posted a > research on maskmaking. Can anyone help me find the > post? > > Bless You, > > Angelique ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 05:56:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BAuo0C030181 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BAtvZj005041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:55:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BAtipL091594; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BAtg5d091520 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:55:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9152F15C81 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:55:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20050310.181331.8439.133950@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> Thread-Index: AcUl4HLejVMOTvw/ThioF1wcYiqLuAASA0Hg Message-Id: <20050311105537.9152F15C81@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Look over on yahoo at the vintagesingers list. Post there- even though the machine you mention is not a Singer, it is a good bet it is a clone, as the Japanese made many clones of the popular Singer models in the post-war to 1960s or so. If you post an inquiry there and perhaps a picture you will surely get the info you are looking for. -Megan -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Astrid of the Horde wrote: Subject: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request I'm trying to locate a "users manual" for a sewing machine that I have, but I can't find it, or even the parent company to know where to start. The best I can get is that it's a seam master model 101 and it appears that it was made in Japan. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 05:58:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BAwQWd030507 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:58:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BAvsZj005384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:57:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BAvrdd092764; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:57:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BAvqGo092635 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A04BE894 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:57:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <423179A3.8020405@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:57:39 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 16th century painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I've got a black and white picture of a dress and I would like to see it in colour and to have some more information of it. Is there anyone who knows more about this painting? http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 07:50:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BCokCJ002589 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BCnpZj017853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:49:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BCniR0050638; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BCnc1Z050542 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:49:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A3DA52B00BA; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:49:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 11 Mar 05 12:49:28 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c52638$f62b8b00$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Satin yellowing Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:50:51 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would use a white fabric spray...if the shoes are not quite antique. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N n" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] Satin yellowing > I saw a while back about trying to make yellowing satin white again. Can > someone let me know how to do this? I have a pair of shoes that I need to > try and get a little whiter. > Thanks > Mary > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 07:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BCt74d002613 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:55:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BCsPZj018050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BCsPrd052911; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BCsJbI052820 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A4F47383005C; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:54:12 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 11 Mar 05 12:54:11 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c52639$9ebceca0$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050311105537.9152F15C81@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:55:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Might it be a Riccar? This was my first machine. All steel innards and was mostly reliable until I branched out to meet the varied needs of a serious costumer. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request > Look over on yahoo at the vintagesingers list. Post there- even though the > machine you mention is not a Singer, it is a good bet it is a clone, as the > Japanese made many clones of the popular Singer models in the post-war to > 1960s or so. If you post an inquiry there and perhaps a picture you will > surely get the info you are looking for. > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Astrid of the Horde > wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request > > I'm trying to locate a "users manual" for a sewing machine that I have, but > I can't find it, or even the parent company to know where to start. The > best I can get is that it's a seam master model 101 and it appears that it > was made in Japan. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 08:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BD3bTe002673 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:03:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BD2qZj018924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:02:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BD2nfC058077; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:02:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BD2ljB058064 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D9jmx-0004D8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:02:47 -0800 Message-ID: <42319711.6000201@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:03:13 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 16th century painting References: <423179A3.8020405@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <423179A3.8020405@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You are not going to believe this, but I just wrote an inquiry to the Chatsworth house where this painting lives. The reply is attached. I have been given permission to have a better black and white picture and may be ordering the transparency. (In a later note, "They" decided to not sell me a slide.). If you want to go in on the transparency, contact me off list. ;} Sg Dear Saragrace Knauf, Thank you for your email. The painting is no longer thought to be of Mary Queen of Scots after a pectoral cross that had been overpainted onto the original painting was removed in a 1950s cleaning. There is little doubt that the painting had been altered in order to sell it to a former owner as Mary Queen of Scots. It is now attributed to Alonso Sanchez Coello (1531/2-1588)? Please can you tell me why you want a 35mm slide? These are usually only spplied for lecturing purposes. If you are wishing to reproduce the image in a publication I can hire you a 5 x 4" colour transparency for a three month period at £35 (+VAT). In addition there is a reproduction fee dependant on usage. Regarding a listing of the paintings at Chatswowrth, you can apply for a list of Pictures from the Photo Survey Dept. of the Courtauld Institute of Art, the Strand, London. We also sell a list of paintings which hang on the public route of the house. My colleague, Charles Noble, Keeper of the Collection, (collection@chatsworth.org) would like you to contact him if you have comments to make about the dress shown in the portrait. Is it Spanish, for instance, or can it be tied to a specific nationality? I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Yours sincerely, Diane Naylor -------------------------- Diane P. Naylor (Mrs) Photo Librarian Chatsworth Bakewell Derbyshire DE45 1PP Tel: +44 (0)1246 565300 Fax: +44 (0)1246 565318 http://www.chatsworth.org The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and therefore the Trustees of the Chatsworth Settlement cannot accept legal or contractual responsibility for its content. 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Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a black and white picture of a dress and I would like to see > it in colour and to have some more information of it. > Is there anyone who knows more about this painting? > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 08:46:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BDkK9S003048 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BDjNZj021567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BDjJh9085099; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BDjGBG085022 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.94]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050311134505.VNUU1218.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:45:05 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050311071658.02a04bd0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200503110348.j2B3m7Pj024445@net.indra.com> References: <200503110348.j2B3m7Pj024445@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sewing machine assistance request X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Astrid, I recommend that you take it to a sewing repair shop and have it cleaned and serviced (oiled, tension adjusted, etc). If it has not been used in quite a while, it will need it. They can then show you how to thread it. One of mine (was my Mother's) has "Made in Occupied Japan" cast on the bottom and is a clone of a Singer of that vintage. Most of those sewing machines were either clones of Singer or White. Several questions: 1) Was the bobbin round and "drop in" from the top or "cased" and inserted from underneath the machine. These bobbins look very similar but are not interchangeable (the cased one is thicker) 2) was the tension control on the front left or off the left end? Threading the needle really is pretty easy on all the old machines... just bring the thread from the spool through each of the thread guides to the tension control, around and under the wire hook to the thread guides and to the needle. Machines of that vintage usually only do straight stitch. Some have no reverse. Hope this helps. Beth At 09:48 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 02:13:22 GMT >From: "Astrid of the Horde" >Subject: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request >To: h-costume@net.indra.com > >Hi everyone, I am more lurker than poster on this list, but I have a >question. I'm trying to locate a "users manual" for a sewing machine that >I have, but I can't find it, or even the parent company to know where to >start. The best I can get is that it's a seam master model 101 and it >appears that it was made in Japan. Everything that is in/on that machine >states that it was from Japan, and it's from somewhere around the 1940's >or 1950's. I got it from a friend because she was definitely not a sewer, >so had no use for it, and she inherited it from her mom or grandmother, I >don't know which. Anyhow, if I could get some idea of where to start, or >if someone just might know how to thread it correctly (that's the BIGGEST >problem I have), I appreciate it. The machine has all the threading done >from the spool peg, to a guide at the top back, and then comes around to >be threaded on the left side of the machine, not on the front as most of >the newer models are these days. So, any help... I'm planning to let >someone use the machine in just over a week, and it would help if I were >able to actually thread it! Thanks much in advance. I appreciate any >direction to locate a manual, or even just be able to correctly thread it. > >Pat Tucker >Astrid of the Horde >Never argue with a Dragon, for thou art crunchy and go well with Brie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 08:47:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BDlfxr003062 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:47:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BDlAZj021619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BDl9fh086364; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BDl8iP086288 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200503111347030150041mhne>; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:47:03 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.117; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:47:01 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:47:01 +0000 Message-Id: <031120051347.5496.4231A1550001CC430000157822007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Especially if you have a cat. Or a curious small dog that can fit under the bed. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > I have seen people using the clothes bags. I would be leery of under the > bed, except if you vacuum under it frequently. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 09:30:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BEU51R003375 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:30:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BET5Zj024490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BESuOT015429; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BESiBx015264 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7bea8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.168]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F68147FEB8 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:28:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002401c52646$9fdaa5c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:28:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Sunny. I would recomend you in the future to use Wissners artificially whaleboning. It comes in a width of nearly 1 inch and it is very suitable for this purpose, and as it is made of a plastic of a kind, you can bend it back in shape, if it distorts its original shape. I use it even to make the large 18th century panier hoops with this, and it works very well. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? > What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell > version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to > twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is > now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > > Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use > with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out > a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort > the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? > Thanks!! > -sunny > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 09:42:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BEgLKw003471 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:42:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BEfgZj025398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BEfd07024835; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([83.141.69.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BEfXQU024781 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:40:02 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4B7E@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'h-costume@mail.indra.com'" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:40:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Online source for info on 17-18th century fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm suddenly finding myself writing an archaeological report on post-medieval fabrics from a site in Dublin. As my focus is the medieval period, I'm a bit on thin ice here. Does anyone know of a good online source for information on everyday wear, fabric materials etc from the 17th - 18th century? I have only two days to write the report, so library hunting is unfortunately out of the question. /Lena ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 27 Merrion Square Dublin 2 Tel: 01 7997200 Fax 01 7997201 e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless therwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 09:44:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BEiGYl003491 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:44:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BEhgZj025530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BEhfD8026384; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BEhdZ7026308 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE9316B0102; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.107 ([209.131.81.107] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 11 Mar 05 14:43:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c52648$e3e71440$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42311328.1050708@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kebayas Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:44:51 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fran, I can guess that you have already "googled" kebayas. I was amazed at the number of sites that came up. I only glanced at a couple of them to get an idea of what you might be looking for. The newer ones seem to be "big shirts" in modern parlance. Do you want the fitted style? kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Kebayas > Does anyone know where online to buy vintage kebayas (Indonesian blouses)? > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 11:18:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BGIt3S004480 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BGI5Zj004604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:18:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BGHtHr004664; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BGHmbN004550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-243.sonic.net [209.148.114.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BGHkGF024635 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:17:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4231C4B3.4000102@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:17:55 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kebayas References: <42311328.1050708@lavoltapress.com> <000901c52648$e3e71440$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000901c52648$e3e71440$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I searched for them extensively on Google and Dogpile last night. I looked for "antique kebayas," "vintage kebayas," and "traditional kebayas." I found a book on antique kebayas (which I ordered), a press release saying they are trendy in Asia, several references for stores or areas to shop for them if you travel to Indonesia, and one site that sells a few modern ones: http://chantiqskaly.fotopages.com/ I have a beautiful traditional woman's kebaya in a very pale peach voile that is quite fitted (almost like an 1880s bodice), open in front, has rather long front points, and is elaborately emboidered at the hem and sleeve hems with a narrow embroidered border up the rest of the front and around the neck. Is that the type you saw? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >Fran, I can guess that you have already "googled" kebayas. I was amazed at >the number of sites that came up. I only glanced at a couple of them to get >an idea of what you might be looking for. The newer ones seem to be "big >shirts" in modern parlance. Do you want the fitted style? > >kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lavolta Press" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:40 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Kebayas > > > > >>Does anyone know where online to buy vintage kebayas (Indonesian blouses)? >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 12:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BHmipf005279 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:48:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BHleZj015103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BHlPvc088063; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:47:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BHlKX3087973 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:47:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4AC40517 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 96EB53961; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCMdmmAAdlzAEAAAAB,ddf0c462e1c45d5b3e0c44b7a454c9dc Message-Id: <20050311174718.96EB53961@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Putting anything under the bed is bad Feng Shui too. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:53:59 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Have you thought about getting one of those ironing board hangers for the back of a door? Seems that would work for a sturdy hanger. I have seen people using the clothes bags. I would be leery of under the bed, except if you vacuum under it frequently. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 15:10:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BKArjq012792 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:10:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BKA0Zj028951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BK9pb6013711; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2BK9mfN013657 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-2920); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:09:47 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:09:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050311120803.00d6ed40@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:09:40 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2BK9mfN013657 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lots of books of manuscripts - Fwd: Half price offer from Brepols/Harvey Miller X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, to have an unlimited book budget! 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Thomas >List Price: US$ 60.00 * Our Price: US$ 30.00 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53519&MID=10786 > >'The Pilgrim's Guide to Santiago de Compostela: A Critical Edition in Two >Volumes Volume I: The Manuscripts - Their Creation, Production and >Reception Volume II: The Text - Annotated English Translation' - by Paula >Gerson, Annie Shaver-Crandell, Alison Stones and Jeanne Krochalis >List Price: US$ 55.00 * Our Price: US$ 27.50 * >List Price: US$ 55.00 >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=13928&MID=10786 > >'The Inventory of King Henry VIII: Volume I, The Transcript' - edited by >David Starkey, transcribed by Philip Ward and indexed by Alasdair Hawkyard >List Price: US$ 148.00 * Our Price: US$ 74.00 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=8788&MID=10786 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 15:47:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BKlG4E013198 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:47:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BKkSZj002635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BKkLpW044375; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.mail.utk.edu (jaguar.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BKkGJW044281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by jaguar.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BKkHwl031537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:46:22 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:46:11 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Message-ID: <424AA85B@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Putting anything under the bed is bad Feng Shui too. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender Hmmm That's obviously part of my problem. I think under the bed is the best place to store stuff ...... Susan/ Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 15:48:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BKmvQr013214 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BKmGZj002811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BKm10n045896; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f15.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BKlv0g045773 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_4557@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:47:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 128.95.14.45 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:47:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.95.14.45] X-Originating-Email: [elena_4557@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elena_4557@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050311120803.00d6ed40@pop.surewest.net> From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh Atha An Ri" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lots of books of manuscripts - Fwd: Half price offer from Brepols/Harvey Miller Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:47:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 20:47:52.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[98221310:01C5267B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO *wwwaaaaahhhh* *sniffling*...And to think I selling off my books this weekend! Oh the agony...*sigh*. But I'll forward it to my friends...who I hope will be at my moving sale instead... Elena > >>From: >>To: >>Subject: Half price offer from Brepols/Harvey Miller >>Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:30 -0700 >> >>Dear Joan Jurancich, >> >>It has been 5 years since publishers Brepols and Harvey Miller began to >>work together and to celebrate this anniversary they have reduced the >>prices on a number of their titles. We in turn are pleased to make those >>savings available to our customers. >> >>Following is a list of the books on offer. All are now half price and they >>include the gorgeous volumes in Harvey Miller's "Manuscripts in Miniature" >>series. >> >>I hope you find something of interest. >> >>With regards, >> >>Ian Stevens >>The David Brown Book Company >>Tel: 1-800-791-9354 >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>'Flemish Miniatures from the 8th to the mid-16th Century' - by Mauritis >>Smeyers >>List Price: US$ 155.00 * Our Price: US$ 77.50 * >>List Price: US$ 155.00 >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=27860&MID=10786 >> >>'The Hours of Mary of Burgundy' - by Nicolas Spierinc >>List Price: US$ 93.00 * Our Price: US$ 46.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=11591&MID=10786 >> >>'The Bible Moralisée' - commentary by Gerald B. Guest >>List Price: US$ 93.00 * Our Price: US$ 46.50 * >>List Price: US$ 93.00 >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=11590&MID=10786 >> >>'The Hunting Book of Gaston Phébus' - edited by M Thomas, F Avril and W >>Schlag >>List Price: US$ 93.00 * Our Price: US$ 46.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=20864&MID=10786 >> >>'Medicina Antiqua' - introduction by Peter Murray Jones >>List Price: US$ 93.00 * Our Price: US$ 46.50 * >>List Price: US$ 93.00 >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=25313&MID=10786 >> >>'Early Gothic Manuscripts (2) 1250-1285' - by N J Morgan >>List Price: US$ 113.00 * Our Price: US$ 56.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=1025&MID=10786 >> >>'Later Gothic Manuscripts 1390-1490' - by Kathleen L. Scott >>List Price: US$ 280.00 * Our Price: US$ 140.00 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=16441&MID=10786 >> >>'The Psalter of Robert de Lisle in the British Library' - by Lucy Freeman >>Sandler >>List Price: US$ 39.00 * Our Price: US$ 19.50 * >>List Price: US$ 39.00 >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=10199&MID=10786 >> >>'Ottonian Book Illumination: An Historical Study' - by Henry Mayr-Harting >>List Price: US$ 74.00 * Our Price: US$ 37.00 * >>List Price: US$ 145.00 >>List Price: US$ 74.00 >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=19401&MID=10786 >> >>'Sigena: English Romanesque Paintings in Spain (HMSAH 1)' - by W. >>Oakeshotte >>List Price: US$ 113.00 * Our Price: US$ 56.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53475&MID=10786 >> >>'Conrad von Soest: Painter among merchant princes' - by Brigitte Corley >>List Price: US$ 85.00 * Our Price: US$ 42.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=20339&MID=10786 >> >>'North-European Panel Painitngs. A Catalogue of Netherlandish and German >>Paintings before 1600 in English Churches and Colleges (HMSAH 6)' - by C. >>Grossinger >>List Price: US$ 63.00 * Our Price: US$ 31.50 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=49726&MID=10786 >> >>'Robert Campin: New Directions in Scholarship (MAC 2)' - edited by S. >>Foister and S. Nash >>List Price: US$ 78.00 * Our Price: US$ 39.00 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53506&MID=10786 >> >>'The Drawings of Paul Bril: A Study of Their Role in Seventeenth-Century >>European Landscape (PICT 4)' - by L.W. Ruby >>List Price: US$ 110.00 * Our Price: US$ 55.00 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53510&MID=10786 >> >>'David III Ryckaert: Seventeenth-Century Flemish Peasant Painter (PICT >>6)' - by B. Van Haute >>List Price: US$ 110.00 * Our Price: US$ 55.00 * >>Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53517&MID=10786 >> >>'Albert & Isabella: The Promise of a Golden Age' - edited by L. Duerloo >>and W. 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References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-MessageCare-Metrics: net.indra.com 1108; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell > version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to I hang mine on the back wall of a closet with a clothes-hanger. Works well enough. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 17:59:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2BMx9mC014153 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:59:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2BMsEZj021305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BMsAAH051700; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com (web41904.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2BMs5Sk051547 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63945 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2005 22:54:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Satine Joan Jurancich wrote: Oh, to have an unlimited book budget! Joan >From: >To: >Subject: Half price offer from Brepols/Harvey Miller >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:30 -0700 > >Dear Joan Jurancich, > >It has been 5 years since publishers Brepols and Harvey Miller began to >work together and to celebrate this anniversary they have reduced the >prices on a number of their titles. We in turn are pleased to make those >savings available to our customers. > >Following is a list of the books on offer. 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A Catalogue of Netherlandish and German >Paintings before 1600 in English Churches and Colleges (HMSAH 6)' - by C. >Grossinger >List Price: US$ 63.00 * Our Price: US$ 31.50 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=49726&MID=10786 > >'Robert Campin: New Directions in Scholarship (MAC 2)' - edited by S. >Foister and S. Nash >List Price: US$ 78.00 * Our Price: US$ 39.00 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53506&MID=10786 > >'The Drawings of Paul Bril: A Study of Their Role in Seventeenth-Century >European Landscape (PICT 4)' - by L.W. Ruby >List Price: US$ 110.00 * Our Price: US$ 55.00 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53510&MID=10786 > >'David III Ryckaert: Seventeenth-Century Flemish Peasant Painter (PICT >6)' - by B. Van Haute >List Price: US$ 110.00 * Our Price: US$ 55.00 * >Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=53517&MID=10786 > >'Albert & Isabella: The Promise of a Golden Age' - edited by L. Duerloo >and W. 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 11 21:44:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C2iEaD016059 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:44:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C2hFZj010425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:43:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C2gpvt015274; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:42:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C2gi3T015210 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:42:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DBD3FD93 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3DE1B37DD0; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:42:44 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CMlckAALy1QEAAAAB,84a120b297bc1b625e665609b3462e1a Message-Id: <20050312024244.3DE1B37DD0@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The Gutterman silk threads are lovely to sew with, hand OR machine! Joannah --- jaurbik@optonline.net wrote: From: jaurbik@optonline.net Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann I stopped at Jo-ann's yeasterday (just for some hand-sewing needles) and discorved something nice (for once at jo-anns). They are now carrying more kinds of gutterman's threads, including cotton and SILK threads. They seemed to have about 30 diffrent colors of the silk in 100m-110y spools and each spool cost about $3.90. This is about 60 cents more per spool then Dharma Traders but you don't pay shipping-but you do pay taxes.....so it is still more expenve i guess, but it is easier to match colors then online. anyway, I have switched to mostly silk thread cause i mostly sew wool, linen, or silk so I thought I would give a heads up. They asked me to participate in a phone in survey so I made sure to mention how much I liked the fact that they were now carrying the silk thread. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 00:48:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C5ma6G017443 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:48:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C5lwZj016498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:47:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C5lglj082718; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:47:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C5lbCr082606 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07703 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:01:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:01:18 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need a favor, Indianapolis area X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I hope one of the medieval re-enactors on this list is from Indianapolis. I'd like to beg a favor. A friend of mine in Indianapolis has a 12-year-old son in middle school. His social studies teacher has a thing for elaborate projects, unfortunately requiring a lot of parental involvement on very short notice. Yesterday the teacher announced that the class would be doing a medieval feast for them. The parents will be bringing and serving the foods, and the kids have each been assigned a role of a medieval person. They need to do an oral presentation about a typical day in the life of that person, with props and costume. All this by Friday (a week from now). This boy's character is a carter -- thus, working class. My friend not only had no idea what medieval people would wear, she had no idea what a carter was. Her son did, fortunately, and she expects he'll do fine on the report. The costume is another matter. My friend does not sew AT ALL. I've pointed her to some pictures and websites and suggested basic tunic and leggings, but even that is beyond her. (I don't want to suggest a two-towel tabard, but that's probably about the limit of her costuming skill.) So, I'm hoping that someone on this list might be from that area, and maybe know someone who would have a suitable costume to loan. I know she will be very very grateful. Tall order, I know, but worth a try. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 03:03:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C83rnP002079 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C7eKZj021742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C7eEQm049570; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:40:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C7eCb1049553 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9AB3FA41 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 77DF4725F; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:40:11 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:40:11 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CMpzbAAZsOgEAAAAB,cceea0e06e0e72eda861d3874bb672ef Message-Id: <20050312074011.77DF4725F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! --- KV59213@aol.com wrote: From: KV59213@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? hi, for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the moment with her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by keith michell etc hugs pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 03:03:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C83rnR002079 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:03:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C753Zj019990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C74u39030037; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:04:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50601.mail.yahoo.com (web50601.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2C74sEE029971 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 58018 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 07:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20050312070449.58016.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:04:48 EST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Brocade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://dollarfabric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=00000001&Category_Code=2054 I recieved my samples of these silk brocades - they really ARE silk, burned like it, disintegrated in bleach like it... it's gotta be a duck. The overall weave is fairly thin but the metal threads keep it stiff. The metal threads slip out as fast as breathe on them though. The seams would have to be completely finished in order to sustain any wear and tear. The rondels are approximately 12 cm in diameter based on my estimation - they gave me samples that were too small to include a complete repeat. I assembled them together into best estimate and measured from there. Thought I'd give a review on my findings. :-) Kathy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 03:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C8FjRE002171 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C8EsZj022816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:14:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C8EhSV069602; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com (web41905.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2C8EgqN069527 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91125 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 08:14:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sepIWH8UX1duRHC5bBMXsKdx3zu0BXQVayrrYlj1X4YL9cXaSpBhQxB7leHBJhQ55a+6YwHu1r+CwvPFQ74kpKBMUrKEsDykPV7re1Vxg3KDHMc3hZmxR3jkU4x/sNyttUlz/GRaUDRAlX1aXuPFsnIsbWx8xEnAikUjab9RlfA= ; Message-ID: <20050312081437.91123.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.168] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:14:36 PST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Double wow... does she havea site that all these amazing things are on. maybe some of her other work????? Thanks Satine Joannah Hansen wrote: Wow! --- KV59213@aol.com wrote: From: KV59213@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? hi, for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the moment with her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by keith michell etc hugs pippa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 03:26:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C8Qt7e002259 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:26:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C7siZj022152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C7sdHP057986; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2C7sVJi057841 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:54:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 07:54:25 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312074649.014ba188@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:54:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <20050312074011.77DF4725F@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:40 11/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Wow! > >--- KV59213@aol.com wrote: > >From: KV59213@aol.com >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? > >hi, >for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes >allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre >companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the >moment with >her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made >all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by >keith michell etc In fact Jean Hunnisett made the costumes for the "Wives", and not Pippa's cousin, (a lady called Jane Gingell, who now runs an extremely successful dance group called Timedance.) The costumes were made in house at the BBC in the days when they did such things. John Bloomfield was the designer, and because of the budget constraints, many of the costumes were decorated with spray paints, "gunk" or a PVA glue and powder paint mixture, and many of the jewels were coke bottle tops. Also lavatory chains were used for neck chains! The success of that show led to the production of Elizabeth R. (Jean Hunnisett made Glenda Jackson's clothes, designed by Elizabeth Waller.) Here endeth the history lesson - sorry! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 03:32:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2C8WGsm002306 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:32:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2C8VbZj023424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:31:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C8VYxu078047; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2C8VRG5077915 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:31:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 08:31:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312082947.014ba2b8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:31:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <20050312081437.91123.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 00:14 12/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Double wow... does she havea site that all these amazing things are on. >maybe some of her other work????? > >Thanks >Satine I have photographs of the 6 wives, (made by Jean Hunnisett - see my previous post) and one or two of Henry. I can e-mail them to you if you like. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 08:37:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CDbimB005373 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:37:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CDaxZj019430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CDak32053278; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CDai9x053245 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebarefoot.contessa@verizon.net) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 ([68.239.137.99]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ID800CQ9R5882E1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:36:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:33:38 -0500 From: "Elizabeth" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000e01c52708$196eca80$2968fea9@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050312074011.77DF4725F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does your cousin have a website? Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? > Wow! > > --- KV59213@aol.com wrote: > > From: KV59213@aol.com > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? > > hi, > for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who makes > allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre > companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the moment with > her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she made > all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played by > keith michell etc > hugs > pippa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 09:01:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CE1kui005926 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:01:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CE1FZj020625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:01:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE1C3L067504; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE18qI067465 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DA7As-0005wZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <4232F634.2080203@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:01:24 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <002401c52646$9fdaa5c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002401c52646$9fdaa5c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Attention Bjarne-Wissners artifical whale boning- X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Where do you buy this Bjarne? I cannot find a source online. Thanks, Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Sunny. > I would recomend you in the future to use Wissners artificially > whaleboning. It comes in a width of nearly 1 inch and it is very > suitable for this purpose, and as it is made of a plastic of a kind, > you can bend it back in shape, if it distorts its original shape. > I use it even to make the large 18th century panier hoops with this, > and it works very well. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:06 AM > Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? > > >> What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >> version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to >> twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is >> now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). >> >> Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use >> with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out >> a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort >> the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? >> Thanks!! >> -sunny >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 09:03:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CE3Gan005955 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:03:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CE2MZj020666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:02:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE2Mvj068260; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE2KPM068244 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DA7C7-0006Ca-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:02:20 -0800 Message-ID: <4232F685.7050506@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:02:45 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] maskmaking References: <20050311021904.86114.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050311021904.86114.qmail@web51403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Did you look in the archives? Start here: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume down towards the bottom it will tell you about your archive search options. Sg ~Angelique wrote: >Good Evening, > > I swear it was from this list I got the information. A few months ago someone posted a research on maskmaking. Can anyone help me find the post? > > Bless You, > > Angelique > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 09:07:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CE7R51005979 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:07:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CE6sZj020833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:06:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE6ork070640; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CE6nfW070626 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DA7GT-0007Pl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: <4232F795.60501@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:07:17 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing machine assistance request References: <20050310.181331.8439.133950@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050310.181331.8439.133950@webmail34.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beth's advice is very good. You should be servicing your machine ~once a year even if you don't use it. If this one has been sitting around for awhile, it will really need it! Plus they may be able to point you in a direction to get a manual and/or help you with the basics. If, in the end, you they are unable to help you, you might look on Yahoo groups. There is a sewing machine repair group (yes, can you believe it?) They have been very helpful to me in the past with tough questions. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 09:29:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CETh7h007361 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CET6Zj022083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CET2tn083777; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CESsEc083617 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 14:28:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312142322.014ba518@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:28:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <000e01c52708$196eca80$2968fea9@yourw04gtxld67> References: <20050312074011.77DF4725F@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:33 12/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Does your cousin have a website? > >Elizabeth >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joannah Hansen" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:40 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? > > > > Wow! > > > > --- KV59213@aol.com wrote: > > > > From: KV59213@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:45:52 EST > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? > > > > hi, > > for all 16th,17th century historical costumes, contact my cousin, who >makes > > allthis type of costume for british and european television and theatre > > companys,she will be back in a day or two, as she is in sweden at the >moment with > > her medieval dancing troup,, to give you some idea of what she does, she >made > > all the costumes for the tv film, henry the 8th, and his six wives, played >by > > keith michell etc > > hugs > > pippa See my previous posts on this subject. Pippa's cousin is a lady called Jane Gingell, (private post to me) and she runs a dance group called, I think, Timedance. I found a web site for it, but cannot now find it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 09:53:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CErMaU007572 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:53:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CEqbZj023320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CEqTWW097613; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (lakermmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CEqRe5097563 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050312145217.HDIQ16861.lakermmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:52:17 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312082947.014ba2b8@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcUm3uz0x/uYYcjsQX2WIKqJzWOI4AAM7ZjA Message-Id: <20050312145217.HDIQ16861.lakermmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just send them to the whole list. I know I would LOVE to see them. Anne >I have photographs of the 6 wives, (made by Jean Hunnisett - see my >previous post) and one or two of Henry. I can e-mail them to you if you >like. >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 10:53:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CFrKl4017120 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CFqTZj027324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CFqRo5007340; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j1SN2qDP022845 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:02:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id BC0F2143424; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:02:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust157.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.157]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF6FC14343D for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:02:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <053501c51de9$b90dec10$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 126 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:03:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waack" > Another thought: cut out the sleeve, cut out a piece to line it, and cut > out a piece of very light fusible interfacing. pin the facing and sleeve > right sides together with the interfacing between. Mark slashes, stitch > around, and slach. Then, carefully, cut the material in sorta-squares > around each slash. Turn everything in. Iron. The interfacing should > hold the facing to the inner sleeve, the slashes would be finished. > > Opinions? If I'm understanding your description right, it sounds like it would work fine, although depending on how finger-pressable the material is, it might drive you absolutely nuts during the process! Getting everything turned in, in the right order, with the interfacing clipped just the right amount, and getting it all to stay put until you can iron it permanently into place might wind up taking a lot longer than just turning and stitching as you go in the first place. But then maybe I'm just not too good at working with fusible interfacing, since it always seems to take me at least twice as long as I think it should when I put it in the mix. =} -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 10:53:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CFrHqY017119 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CFqPZj027304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CFpu13006830; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CFnIBM004228 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 15:42:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312154139.014ba658@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:42:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th 17th century patterns? In-Reply-To: <20050312145217.HDIQ16861.lakermmtao03.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTE R> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312082947.014ba2b8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:50 12/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Just send them to the whole list. I know I would LOVE to see them. Anne > > >I have photographs of the 6 wives, (made by Jean Hunnisett - see my > >previous post) and one or two of Henry. I can e-mail them to you if you > >like. I will have to work out how - bear with me everyone, please. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGDWPk017509 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGCeZj028670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGCb57020894; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:12:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.162]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j213kTTQ028472 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jzim78@charter.net) Received: from mxip12.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j213kNBJ001483 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:46:23 -0500 Received: from 24-159-232-58.jvl.wi.charter.com (HELO computer) (24.159.232.58) by mxip12.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 22:46:23 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.90,125,1107752400"; d="scan'208"; a="844565899:sNHT18164384" Message-ID: <001701c51e11$3bd37bc0$3ae89f18@computer> From: "Jan Zimmerman" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:46:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I am actually heading towards Overland Park so may look them up. I like those small stores! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores > While I agree w/ Dawn's comparison of our stores to LA or NY, if you > are stuck in KC Cy's, and Kaplan's, are not to bad. Both can be very > pricey but Cy's has a sale table, and regular big sales several times a > year. He has employed, over the years, several clerks who have done > historic costume and they have been able to recommend types of fabric > for him to look for on his buying trips. He also has the best button > selection in town :). > > A store for good bargains, altho selection is hit & miss, is a little > storefront in Overland Park (suburb of KC) called Abida's Fabric. Very > small, selection limited, but if you find something you want chances > are it will be a great buy. > > Catherine > back from surgery and still trying to catchup on digests > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:16:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGGNf4017527 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:16:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGFoZj029050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGFo5K023030; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from out-mail03.yourhostingaccount.com (mailrelay4.yourhostingaccount.com [38.113.1.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2196Vem022240 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SRS0=GVxb7B=RL=grapeleafpatterns.com=sales@yourhostingaccount.com) Message-Id: <200503010906.j2196Vem022240@net.indra.com> Received: from scan06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.236] helo=scan06.yourhostingaccount.com) by mail03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D63Ko-0001xl-Lh for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:06:30 -0500 Received: from authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.155] ident=exim) by scan06.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1D63Ko-0002kP-Ro for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:06:30 -0500 Received: from authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.155] helo=authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1D63Ko-0002kM-LV for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:06:30 -0500 Received: from wbar1.sea1-4-5-021-208.sea1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.5.21.208] helo=random) by authsmtp01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1D63Ko-0005dF-0R for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:06:30 -0500 From: "Jaedyn R" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Butterick pattern Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:06:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200502281659.KAA28884@Bluejay.creighton.edu> Thread-Index: AcUdBAMoaHM0LSM6Sw+Z5rX0m5TBEwAscCogACHRM+A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-UserInfo: 8ba42214f9eb38435751c413704ee8ab:6f0d78befc2f1b39f5a2bb04339ac068 X-User: sales@grapeleafpatterns.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Hope Martha McCain does a pattern for Simplicity of this "French court >dress" or other 18th c gowns down the road. Sophia Coppola is doing a film >with Kirsten Dunst as Marie Antoinette, based on the Antonia Fraser >biography, "Marie Antoinette: The Journey" which will surely create a >demand for authentic 18th century costumes. The fabric for this dress on their website doesn't look all that appealing. Not sure if it's the same picture you have (#4485). The design looks terribly awkward. Do you know when the Marie Antionette movie is coming out? Jaedyn ----------------------- Grape Leaf Patterns http://www.grapeleafpatterns.com Find out how to get a free pattern! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:25:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGP1Lt020463 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:25:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGOGZj000211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:24:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGOBjt028445; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGO7dc028381 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-65-26-139-41.kc.rr.com [65.26.139.41]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j2CGBxCi014213 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:11:59 -0600 (CST) From: "khanson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:24:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <001701c51e11$3bd37bc0$3ae89f18@computer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-SdV-Metrics: net.indra.com 1179; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think she actually means Addadi's Fabrics. They are at 9629 W 87th street, kind of hidden in a strip mall behind a McDonald's. It will be on the south side of 87th. Be sure to tell them you do historical costuming or Ren Faire or SCA or whatever, because they do understand what that means and will often cut you a special deal. Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jan Zimmerman Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores Thanks. I am actually heading towards Overland Park so may look them up. I like those small stores! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: KC fabric Stores > While I agree w/ Dawn's comparison of our stores to LA or NY, if you > are stuck in KC Cy's, and Kaplan's, are not to bad. Both can be very > pricey but Cy's has a sale table, and regular big sales several times a > year. He has employed, over the years, several clerks who have done > historic costume and they have been able to recommend types of fabric > for him to look for on his buying trips. He also has the best button > selection in town :). > > A store for good bargains, altho selection is hit & miss, is a little > storefront in Overland Park (suburb of KC) called Abida's Fabric. Very > small, selection limited, but if you find something you want chances > are it will be a great buy. > > Catherine > back from surgery and still trying to catchup on digests > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:48:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGmG6d023981 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:48:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGlVZj003809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGlSbr045297; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21GIppI034439 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from ches (c-67-163-111-163.client.comcast.net[67.163.111.163]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050301161846014002ub3ce>; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: <557501c51e7a$47741340$6401a8c0@ches> From: "Chiara" To: "Historical Costume" References: <76f7d3da2f66d8db0b617c403c4fa455@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:17:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There are two different likes, the one where it is good for them and then there is the good for us. For her, yes it works, for me .... _not_ ... I would be choking all night long. It reminds me of the wedding dress that my mother made for me. I was choking the entire time I was wearing it. Marriage lasted 6 months. So you see, most of our opinions on what they wore are going to be 90% based on what we think we would look in them. ;) I actually loved what the 6ft tall models handing over the Oscars to the quests were wearing, _that_ did not make me feel like I was choking. I would love to have the body again to wear those. :) (`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.· '´)¸.·'´) «·.·*¨`·¤ Chiara ¤·´¨*·.·» (¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´`'·.¸)`'· .¸)`'·.¸) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Oscars : What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? I seem : to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. She certainly has the body : for it. : : Sylrog : : _______________________________________________ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:51:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGpOts024011 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGosZj004046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGos6N047533; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21Glmp6061403 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3ffd5358 (4402) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3ffd5358.2f55f6a8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:47:36 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I seem to be alone in liking Hilary Swank's dress. I liked it. But I thought it was too tight. I mean there's snug and there's TIGHT. The soft clingy Versace 30's evening shift that's been around since the 80s seems to be morphing into a structured form fitting sorta 1950's shift with a train. It all looks retro to me. None of it looks modern. But I suppose dressing for evening nowadays IS retro and a costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 11:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CGuqoF024060 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CGu8Zj004419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CGu0w3050754; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f47.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21HY9Ne002787 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 12.111.129.245 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:33:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.111.129.245] X-Originating-Email: [ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ceinwen7777777@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "M TURNAGE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:33:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2005 17:34:03.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCA367E0:01C51E84] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>What did everyone think of the fashions on the Academy Awards? >>---------------------------- My favorite was Beyonce's black silk velvet "Siren" gown.....very elegant! Melinda~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CH0tgw024119 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CH0RZj004727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CH0QPq053574; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web50604.mail.yahoo.com (web50604.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j21HurYN021720 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68168 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2005 17:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20050301175648.68166.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.198.54.41] by web50604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:56:47 EST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:56:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503011649.j21Gnj14063233@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oooooh, another fabric store online.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have ordered samples of this fabric in all three colours. I have a rush order 11th c. Byzantine I have to make and wanted to see hand and pattern size - there's nothing to judge the size of the repeat against. If it's the right weight and reasonably large enough pattern... I have found my winner. Once it arrives I'll make the appropriate fabric god fire sacrifices and let you know what happens. :-) Kathy > I wish they gave fiber contents. At $24.95 a yard, > I wonder if the "silk > brocade" is all silk. > > Ann Wass ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:04:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CH49n2024145 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:04:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CH3hZj004971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CH3dXN055862; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21I0xvd025340 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.110.44846149 (4592) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <110.44846149.2f5607cb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:00:43 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 12:47:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: they decried Johnny Depp's spats. No spats in sight...nada, nicht, none. So what did they think looked like spats? Was he wearing 2-toned shoes, or white socks, or something? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:10:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHAcNA024223 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:10:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHA5Zj005484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHA2o8059925; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (cgpb3.cgp.netins.net [167.142.228.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j21JKUQ0095113 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:20:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) Received: from [207.177.85.57] (account landofoz@netins.net) by cgpb3.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.9) with HTTP id 435627899 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:20:29 -0600 From: "Mark Ostrem" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.9 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the >front; trashy in the > back. When I think about how much I *like* something, it's usually in reference to how much I'd like to wear it or something similar. Ha. If I had a back like that and her figure, I'd be wearing as trashy as it comes! I do agree, though, from the front that dress looks like it's been put on backwards. Since I have never been and never will be built like that, I'm more interested in the technical details. How is a dress like that worn w/o making it gap? Is it glued on? Are there stays all over inside? Wouldn't it get messed up by sitting? Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:14:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHET4u024266 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHDwZj005820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHDvt6062530; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j220wZOJ073202 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030200583001600sk2soe>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:58:30 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c51ec2$f73e2160$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503011707.LAA26555@Bluejay.creighton.edu> <003c01c51e90$941a4280$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada><108e36540b4543e7b841e76650c7d3a5@ntw.net> <4224C35A.4080604@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars/nude fabric Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:58:31 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: net.indra.com 1128; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If you watch Cher's videos of her last two tours she is wearing a lot of the nude fabric. I think the catch is getting it dyed as close to your skin color so that no one notices. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:19:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHJNkq024325 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHIqZj006247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHImb9065646; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j223SR6E061150 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:28:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.8a.21cd95a1 (4446) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:28:17 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.21cd95a1.2f568cd1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:28:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry didn't reply earlier but computer access became limited to late at night and I tend to miss things. No I don't have anything but the pattern and no way to scan it into the computer to show you. But decided that since I really like to sew and really hate writing papers that that was what I would do. So thanks for the interest. Yes it is for SCA and I may have had my time frame off. Sorry to cause you to waste your time now that I finally figured out what I want to do instead of what it was strongly suggested I do. Sincerely Theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:22:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHMAEP024355 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHLfZj006447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHLfsG067528; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2242kk1081553 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:02:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.15c.4b44958d (4380) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:02:34 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.4b44958d.2f5694da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:02:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/1/2005 8:06:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: how is Versace vintage? well it IS from the 80s.....like 20 years ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHTCX1024429 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHSXZj006952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:28:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHSS4L071763; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j226Ytic064518 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:34:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-46-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.46.57]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j226UdEN018762 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:30:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050301223124.025a13a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:34:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the >front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" >or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. Or you could just make a tube the right diameter for the back part, long enough to reach all the way around you and with tie strings on each end. Stuff it with about half as much padding as would fill it, and pack the padding toward the middle so that the ends get smaller at the tie strings. 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Thanks, Gytha Beth and Bob Matney wrote:I received an email from the publisher of the NESAT 6 volume today. They are considering reprinting if they get enough requests. They can be contacted at: Department of Archaeology Göteborg University Box 200 SE-405 30 GÖTEBORG Tel. 0046 31 773 46 14 To avoid afflicting spam upon them, I am not posting their email address to the list. I will send it privately on request. Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHZjjC024531 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:35:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHZ9Zj007479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:35:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHZ88m075865; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHZ5EB075772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CImGgb003764 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:16 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:34:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503121234.59449.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:20 pm, Mark Ostrem wrote: > > not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the > >front; trashy in the > > back. > > When I think about how much I *like* something, it's > usually in reference to how much I'd like to wear it or > something similar. Ha. Whereas there are garments I like because I know I'd look good in them, and garments that I know I could never wear that, nonetheless, look great on the original wearers. I think Swank's dress wasn't bad, but could have used a few tweaks to the design to be maximally impressive on her. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:41:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHfAXW024591 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHecZj007977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:40:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHeZcv079474; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22JW8sZ069008 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1D6ZZk-000KCD-9c for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:30:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century-Brunswick image References: <007601c51d75$237b4ef0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <4.3.0.20050301221838.00adff00@pop.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20050301221838.00adff00@pop.vaxxine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO david webb wrote >On page 175 of Stella Tillyard's "Aristocrats: the illustrated >companion to the television series" there is a reproduction of a >painting of Lady Mary Fox in a grey/blue? Brunswick c. 1767. The 18th >century version of the "hoodie"! Self-fabric trimming is as equally >elaborate as in the other styles of the period, such as the sack. > snip > >The costumes for the series seem mediocre and lots of the factoids are >wrong, but some excellent images in the book if you find it in the >remainder bin. > >Sheridan Alder > Skip the TV series and read the original book. It's absolutely wonderful - you could see yourself having lunch with these women, chatting about fashion and home improvements, and giggling about sex (all very pre-Victorian!), but then you come across another example of the absolutely gobsmacking extravagance of the ultra-rich and ultra-well-connected. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:46:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHkSnC024639 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:46:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHjuZj008382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHjrnh082687; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j22NVaEY080203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j230hnT7002362 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:43:54 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:31:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7f.590079ff.2f5709ae@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503021831.20898.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-SPAMCHECK.NET-Metrics: net.indra.com 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 02 March 2005 7:21 am, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: [snip] > > Looked very elegant until you saw that her bosom were fully visible--not my > idea of elegance or class!! I disagree with you on that point, though I'll admit that part of my opinion may be based on my personal belief that Ms. Berry may as well show off her magnificent torso and breasts since she has little else to boast of. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:51:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHp27m024697 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:51:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHoVZj008822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHoTvD085753; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2352L5R093359 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:02:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.e8.e2f6303 (4328) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:02:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:02:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/2/2005 3:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. I have the old magazines for Oscar fashions. When I come across her photo, I will let you know. Well, the general press tried not to show the whole view, and when I saw it, I thought it looked decidedly vulgar. Call me a prude, old-fashioned, whatever, but . . . . Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:54:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHs8qr024720 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:54:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHrYZj009019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHrVNi087708; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cybrhost.net (mail.cybrhost.net [12.181.168.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHrTqS087608 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzanne@grannd.com) Received: from [68.46.38.211] (HELO Camelot) by cybrhost.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 38097194 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: <006101c5272c$620d99f0$6401a8c0@Camelot> From: "Suzanne Buffalino" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com><002401c52646$9fdaa5c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <4232F634.2080203@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Attention Bjarne-Wissners artifical whale boning- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, We carry both the 11mm and 7mm (1/2" and 1/4") plastic whalebone. Best regards, Suzanne Grannd Companies http://www.grannd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Attention Bjarne-Wissners artifical whale boning- > Where do you buy this Bjarne? I cannot find a source online. > Thanks, > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Dear Sunny. >> I would recomend you in the future to use Wissners artificially >> whaleboning. It comes in a width of nearly 1 inch and it is very suitable >> for this purpose, and as it is made of a plastic of a kind, you can bend >> it back in shape, if it distorts its original shape. >> I use it even to make the large 18th century panier hoops with this, and >> it works very well. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:06 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? >> >> >>> What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >>> version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to >>> twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is >>> now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). >>> >>> Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use >>> with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out >>> a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort >>> the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? >>> Thanks!! >>> -sunny >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:54:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHscKa024731 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHs8Zj009050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHs7aR088078; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235AGQ4098094 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005030305101101500l3g3ge>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:10:11 +0000 Message-ID: <005b01c51faf$4a711530$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050303032757.53963.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few Historic (or Hysteric) films I've wondered about Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:10:16 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Restoration is one of my favorite costume/set design films. The story was a snooze to me, only boring movie that I just watched costumes and set design all the way through on my first viewing. I knew within minutes of watching the film that it would take the Oscars for costume and set designs. And it did. My treasured moment... Some of the old-timers on the list might remember Miss Mela that was on the list a long time ago. She teaches at Fullerton College and has done some costume work for films... such a knowledgeable person. She went to the premiere of Restoration in Hollywood. At the premiere they gave every person a full-color book about the film. The costumes were so striking in the book. Mela knew I loved the costumes and set design in Restoration and she gave me her premiere book. I will always cherish the book and it was such a thoughtful gift. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 12:57:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CHvSrR024751 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:57:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CHunZj009224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHujlV089825; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j235DSeg000147 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005030305132301400hjim0e>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 05:13:23 +0000 Message-ID: <005f01c51faf$bcf04d10$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <30.6d80386a.2f57f49c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:13:25 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, In the mid to late 1970s, it was fashionable for guys to wear those sheer / net football jerseys too. Those look pretty sexy on guys with build bodies. Remember when they went to the cropped look in these jerseys? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:02:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CI2lL7024802 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CI1QZj009525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CI1NS4092940; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j238OKj8011611 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050303082414014002ualpe>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:24:14 +0000 Message-ID: <009a01c51fca$65d686a0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008201c51fb1$57452970$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Chicago Film Costume help Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 03:24:19 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found the costume in the film. Thank goodness for DVDs on computer. You can stop and get a really good look and compare the photo of the costume. The costume was from the final scene with Velma and Roxie with the guns....its their costumes. What throw me off was the nude/skin colored fabric on the low neckline. It didn't match the mannequin's color and was a darker beige. The fringe on this costume is wonderful! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:05:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CI5cnL024843 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CI54Zj009842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CI547C095438; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CI522h095353 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7D2402F4 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 639B33952; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCMy9HAAUlBwEAAAAB,26aa60f59fed2811631eb05859c19005 Message-Id: <20050312180455.639B33952@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, there is a body glue that models and beauty contestants use to hold their gowns closed. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Mark Ostrem" wrote: From: "Mark Ostrem" Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:20:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars > not Swanks trashy gimmicky get up. YUK! Ugly from the >front; trashy in the > back. When I think about how much I *like* something, it's usually in reference to how much I'd like to wear it or something similar. Ha. If I had a back like that and her figure, I'd be wearing as trashy as it comes! I do agree, though, from the front that dress looks like it's been put on backwards. Since I have never been and never will be built like that, I'm more interested in the technical details. How is a dress like that worn w/o making it gap? Is it glued on? Are there stays all over inside? Wouldn't it get messed up by sitting? 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:10:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIA9WJ024901 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:10:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CI9cZj010321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:09:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CI9ZPt098671; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CI5QQV095709 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04093 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:18:43 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:18:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Well, that explains that X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIC1kH024916 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIBQZj010430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIBQbF099820; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23J60q8052116 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6ve4-00022k-00; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <2199584.1109876760375.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:05:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j23J60q8052116 Cc: dfeigenson@mail.fairfield.edu X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh, thanks so much for this wonderful word! I read these postings in my office in the English department of my university and immediately shared "mahoitre" with a colleague in the next office. We decided it would be a wonderful thing to call somebody--as my colleague suggested, a sort of "stuffed shirt" (oh, you old mahoiter!). Then I realized we already do say to people "oh, don't be so hoity-toity." Back to dictionary: The OED gives this etymology for mahoitre: [< French mahoître (also maheutre; 15th cent. in Middle French; 13th cent. in Old French as mahustre in sense ‘shoulder, upper arm’; cf. Anglo-Norman mahustre, mahutre upper arm); further etymology disputed.] According to the OED, the term “hoity-toity” didn’t appear in print until the late 1600s, but at that time it bore two meanings: “romping” and the “assumption of superiority, ‘airs’, huffiness.” The American Heritage dictionary defines “hoity-toity” as “puffed up, pompous”—so, do you suppose that somewhere in the Unacknowledged etymology of “hoity-toity” (only mentioned are words meaning “high”) is this stuffed-shirt “mahoitre”? (or at least might it share some of mahoitre's own etymology?) Here's to Etymology! Here's to TAILORING YOUR VOCABULARY? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Diana Habra Sent: Mar 3, 2005 1:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained > According to the OED: > > A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose > of > increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. > > 1834 J. R. PLANCHÉ Hist. Brit. Costume 201 The shoulders were padded out > with large waddings called mahoitres. 1846 F. W. FAIRHOLT Costume in Eng. > Gloss., Mahoitres,..the wadded and up-raised shoulders in fashion during > the > fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. 1935 Times Lit. Suppl. 21 Dec. 873/1 > The > mahoitres of the fifteenth-century dandy. > > Joanna So would that be the correct term for what they do to modern men's suits? You know how the shoulders are padded internally? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIE1Yh024930 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIDKZj010541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIDK3b001134; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:13:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CI8X3F097885 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 73150 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 18:08:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20050312180827.73148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.175] by web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:08:27 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:08:27 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] delayed messages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Moderators and List-owner, has something peculiar been happening to the List? It's now Saturday, and -here on the other side of the Atlantic, - I'm getting messages suddenly showing-up in my inbox today dating from Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday of last week? God's Benison be upon you, this Feast of St. Egdunus Yours in service, Julian Wilson, [aka. Messire Matthew Baker/Matthieu Besquer, Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"] late-medieval Re-enactor; & Historian and Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the only medieval living-history Group in "olde" Jersey] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:15:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIFHfM024945 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIEgZj010710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:14:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIEd13002054; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j23Mw6hL052216 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:58:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D6zGf-00062s-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:58:05 -0800 Message-ID: <42279683.4060504@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:58:11 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Book review? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Someone on another list asked about this book: *http://tinyurl.com/55suf I had just come across it the other day during a Worldcat search. I figured one of you would have seen it and might have an opinion. Sg * Kathalyn Nimet wrote: > >Has anyone ever heard of this book? > >Is it a good/bad reference? I have a friend who want to buy it and I >cannot give her any personal feedback. > >http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp? >userid=v12Y8ZXAAf&sourceid=00084629308406666429&isbn=0486429857&itm=23 > >(may have to cut and paste) OR > >Medieval Costume and How to Recreate It >Dorothy Hartley, Francis Michael Kelly (Translator) >ISBN: 0486429857 >Format: Paperback, 160pp >Pub. Date: December 2003 >Publisher: Dover Publications, Incorporated > >Mit Dank- >Kathalyn > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > GermanRenCostume-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:20:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIKI6K024989 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIJoZj011123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:19:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIJlWA005305; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f29.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24DHC9O063049 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:17:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.201 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:16:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.201] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200503040310.j2439lVT025302@net.indra.com> From: "C M" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:16:13 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 13:17:06.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[7648F340:01C520BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: stripey duppioni source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, now for the fourth time (my e-mail doesn't like me to send anything at the moment...) A source for stripey duppioni silk could be hyena fabrics (www.hyenaproductions.com). They might not have the exact same fabric in stock, but they could most likely get it for you. They have been able to get specialty silks in the past provided you get at least 10 y. Hope this helps, Caithlinn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:26:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIQmVH025039 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:26:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIQFZj011518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIQCcS009106; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24EiqsG015352 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be80.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.128]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C3F42628A8 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:44:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008601c520c8$b5d23f10$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4227A0C4.9040106@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:44:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn This garment is based by the fairy tale of Hans Christian Andersen who selebrates 200 years birthday this year. His fairytale the emperors new clothes. Two fake tailors swear to make the emperor the most beautifull garment, and demands the best of threads and lots of golds to make it. They say it has a but, namely that those who claims they cant see it, proves to be very bad in their trade, so noone dares to say they cant see it, and voila, the emperor goes in a parade in the nude because he really wears nothing, but noone dares to say, that they dont see it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] have a look at this costume > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:28:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CISb4I025056 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIS9Zj011610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIS9PH010268; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:28:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIS614010213 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04311 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:41:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:41:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Book review? In-Reply-To: <42279683.4060504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Wicked Frau wrote: > Someone on another list asked about this book: > *http://tinyurl.com/55suf Haven't seen this one myself, but it looks like another in the usual crop of Dover reprints of early-century popular costume manuals. Hartley wrote in the 20s and 30s, IIRC, so that would put her in there with Norris and Houston. I wonder if this is her "Medieval Costume and Life" (1931) under a new title? A link from there led me to this, which is new to me. Anyone have any comments about it? Clothes of the Medieval World by Vincent Douglas http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0872266699/ --robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:30:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIUVPF025076 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:30:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CITpZj011732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CITob7011373; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24Gkbr0017142 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A0E64FF90058; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:46:30 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.107 ([209.131.81.107] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 16:46:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c520d9$e6a9b1c0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> <42288358.7090408@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:47:47 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Doesn't Dahma carry this? Kathleen --- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Young" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye > Susan Farmer wrote: > >>I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water > >>dye in the US? I can't anymore. > > > > > > so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a faded > > black doublet/jerkin ..... > > I got my original boxes from Teddy as part of the Great Dye Experiment* > several years ago. I have since ordered Dylon Machine Dye from the UK > http://www.sewandso.co.uk/ran840-0.html > > I have a large Kenmore front-loader, theoretically modeled on German > front loaders. This Dylon Dye (not available in the US) and my machine > do a great job dying large jobs. No residue, even color, seems to be > mostly color fast (cotton and linen dyed so far). > > liz young > > *Several of us on the list in the US received boxes of Dylon Machine Dye > from Teddy (I think Teddy sent them all) and tried the dye in our > American machines. I know it worked in front-loaders and worked some of > the time in top-loaders. "Dylon Machine Dye" in the archives ought to > get you the thread. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:35:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIZ8uJ025129 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:35:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIYVZj012050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIYSBZ014308; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j24IMUQO003846 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A75F355F005E; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:22:23 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.110 ([209.131.81.110] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 4 Mar 05 18:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c520e7$4bd1c4e0$6e5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42289B52.9040904@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:23:41 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have found these to be useful, (if only as a starting place for general costuming). I usually will go to statuary or pottery paintings for a more refined interpretation as needed. Notes and biblio info has been reliable. Not much else out there that I have found helpful when a show needs to progress. I especially like the variety of hair treatments that have been drawn from extant pictorial examples available. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] ancient Greek costume books > Can anyone comment on these books and what is inside them? Are they good > source material? I am considering purchasing them as general additions > to my book collection, but I know nothing about them. I'm guessing that > they are reprints of older titles. > > > * Ancient Greek, Roman and Byzantine Costume by Mary G. Houston. > Softcover -Dover Publications 2003. > > * Costume in Greek Classic Drama by Iris Brooke. Dover- 2003. > > > Would love to hear from someone who has copies. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:38:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIcfBw025174 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:38:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIcAZj012313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIc86v016454; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIc6Vf016395 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DABUw-0000b3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20688751.1110652682099.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:38:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ...except, if I recall correctly, a little boy? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Mar 4, 2005 9:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] have a look at this costume Dawn This garment is based by the fairy tale of Hans Christian Andersen who selebrates 200 years birthday this year. His fairytale the emperors new clothes. Two fake tailors swear to make the emperor the most beautifull garment, and demands the best of threads and lots of golds to make it. They say it has a but, namely that those who claims they cant see it, proves to be very bad in their trade, so noone dares to say they cant see it, and voila, the emperor goes in a parade in the nude because he really wears nothing, but noone dares to say, that they dont see it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] have a look at this costume > Ok, I admit I've spent too much time browsing ebay this week.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4156&item=8174950485&rd=1 > > Is that a historical design or what? > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:41:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIfO1l025209 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:41:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIeoZj012573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:40:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIel8t018269; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j254QLOo067406 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.169]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j254MBEP020601 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:22:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050304202532.02498b60@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:25:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian or Regency Boudoir Clothing In-Reply-To: <75B70C19.56A2068F.0BD9917F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I am also looking for men's dressing gowns/smoking jackets. But think >1800's rather than 1900's. You know something that Byronic Set would have >worn while smoking opium or sitting in their own study in casual comfort. Folkwear has a usable pattern for one of these. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:44:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIi27I025232 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIhMZj012760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:43:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIhMO5019939; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j255aGTR007941 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20go.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.24] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7RxY-00068A-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:36:16 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050304233357.0277aec0@pop.radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net@pop.radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:36:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200503011903.j21J3NYc080710@net.indra.com> References: <200503011903.j21J3NYc080710@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Missing digests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could someone please forward to me off-list H-costume digests #'s 141, 142, and 145? They seem to have disappeared into the ether. TIA, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly ----------- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:46:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIko9a025254 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIkHZj012924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIkEof021885; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:46:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25FW25J042765 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D7bG6-0000EP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:32:02 -0800 Message-ID: <4229D0FC.30700@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:32:12 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <26171954.1109898934941.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <4227C549.7010605@earthlink.net> <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4229CCA4.9080704@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mahoitered Sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a link to some mockups on various types of Mahoitered sleeves. Sorry the images aren't so hot. Most of them I accidentally saved at a very worthless low resolution. http://saragrace.net/images/Misc/mahoiteredsleeves.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:50:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIopk3025277 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIoKZj013162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIoKIm024420; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25HN3AM011488 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from salunra@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so746871rne for ; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:23:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=p2MgwwvHDXho3hcDk6qmO3b1IPw41ZjatmQcdYBQXlFCnS1EQxN83h3BHIsHFW61HhrTdQvSStmD/3tTe5U4umtez7jVRjZ5X+guXLib2qO8pjyHJnGAg5oJ7W/TK1lHBaMiYLX3x31f98ndkXQH+AqDtrL92d7SSE4s2vhEUXo= Received: by 10.38.207.57 with SMTP id e57mr144498rng; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.28 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:23:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:23:03 -0500 From: Moon Singer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4229D2D1.10303@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, Thanks for your responses to this question. Robin, I am fairly novice with sewing, but am eager to try a draping technique. The problem is, I am doing this costuming for myself. Are these techniques workable on a dress form? I have no one to do the fitting on me. :/. Thanks. Moon On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:30:12 -0600 (CST), Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Dawn wrote: > > > Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > > > > There is a web page for the cotehardie, just spent 10 minutes hunting > > > through myfavorites and cant find it right nowbut if I am not > > > mistaken one of the h-cost persons sent it to me.Was great with bth > > > design for paper pattern or a drape and pin explaination. > > > > The Cotehardie and Houpelande page is here now: > > http://www.theweebsite.com/cotelande/index.html > > The above page might answer the needs of the original poster, depending on > what she's looking for, but it's important to note that it relies mostly > on outdated popular costume books and is not very historically accurate. I > also don't see construction directions on that page, so it probably is not > what Theresa was remembering. > > For instructions on drape-and-pin, most people point to Tasha McGann's > page: > > http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html > > Tasha developed her method in part based on my work. You'll find my > written comments at: > > http://www.netherton.net/robin > > I don't have directions there and never will, as I don't think this method > can be taught on paper. However, I do have a handout I use for workshops, > and a collection of posts that will provide useful background and tips for > someone wanting to take a non-patterned approach. Experienced costumers > who have an understanding of the desired look and basic methods have been > able to use those to replicate my method. > > The original poster, I think, asked for patterns. I don't use them and so > can't recommend any. Perhaps someone else can. There are a number of > patterns out there for both fitted underdresses and sideless surcotes that > will produce an acceptable "look" for general SCA wear and for other > costuming purposes, though I would consider all of them to be modern in > approach. I would not recommend using patterns for historical costume > competition or authentic re-enactment, but I don't gather that's what the > original poster was aiming for. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:54:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIssPl025302 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIsGZj013447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:54:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIsCvc027022; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j25NrWq8053818 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICW00GD0L11LU@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [24.189.236.194]) by mstr3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:53:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:53:27 -0500 From: jaurbik@optonline.net To: Historical Costume Message-id: <20d2b6720ce6c2.20ce6c220d2b67@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "vintage" patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I found about 6 vintage(70s) patterns in an old swewing machine that i acquired (it was on the side of the road/waiting for garbage truck-machine is from the 40s in a great/neato cabanet) -this was back in summer before i had been basicly incompacitaded by varius problems. I had offered these patterns to whoever wanted them, and had a taker, but have since lost the email. The patterns do smell a little and make me snnize, so-if you are allergic to mold, don't say you want them! also, i have not looked in the envolopes, so i have no idea abouot the state of them. If whoever said they wanted them says "ME", they get first dibs! Thanks, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:58:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIwM33025330 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:58:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIvRZj013617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIvNd2029060; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIvLRP029024 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04531 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:10:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:10:36 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sideless Surcoat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Moon Singer wrote: > Robin, I am fairly novice with sewing, but am eager to try a draping > technique. The problem is, I am doing this costuming for myself. Are > these techniques workable on a dress form? I have no one to do the > fitting on me. :/. I'm afraid not, at least not my method. The whole point is to manipulate the figure into a different shape, which requires lifting and molding and adjusting various parts. The body and the dress work together to achieve the shape; the degree of tension on the dress at various points depends on the particular bulges and pressures of the individual's body. Dress forms assume a certain finished shape, with the understanding that you will form your body into that shape with your bra or other foundation, and then lay the dress over that. If your body changes, the shape of the dress form is no longer valid. And dress forms can't be manipulated the way human breasts, muscles, and fat deposits can. Sorry... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 13:59:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CIx0cG025342 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CIvgZj013669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CIvgcV029291; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j267fXFa028886 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 00:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050306074127.LSSB2171.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:41:27 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.105.247]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050306074127.WWZN16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:41:27 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.6.2]); Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:41:29 +1300 Message-ID: <003801c5221f$e8c5b9d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <422A8AD4.9060808@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bildindex expanding? Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:41:29 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO They've had a great number of paintigs from outside Germany for some time. Both artists and from other collections. But they are expanding all the time. I check the German artist pages every couple of months and nearly always find something new. The Lucas Cranach (d. A) pages especially have grown since I first had a look at the pages. I also think artcyclopedia is actually getting around to linking to bildindex for more artists. I just wish I knew how they did it as I have only failed in trying to link to pages;) (I suspect there is some kind of cookie time out happening.) michaela http://glittersweet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" ; "GermanRenCostume" ; ; ; "TheRenaissanceTailor" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bildindex expanding? > Gosh guys, have I stumbled across something new here? It looks like > Bildindex is starting to include artwork from all over? I have been > typing in various artist names in artcyclopedia.com and almost without > fail Bildindex shows up (down at the bottom ususually), then when I > click on it, it takes me to Bildindex and there are a collection of the > artists paintings from all over??? The Prado, Uffzi etc. Wahoooooo! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:02:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJ2ZAZ025387 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJ1fZj014073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ1cvd032102; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from webwarren.com (65.18.210.ptr [65.18.210.91] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26FPpci087125 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from webwarren@earthlink.net) Received: from cottontail.webwarren.com (pcp09760503pcs.plnfld01.nj.comcast.net [68.38.25.187]) by webwarren.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j26FPaFn027768 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:25:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webwarren.com: webbwarren owned process doing -bs Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050301164613.04c97cb0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:51:25 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Brenda Bell Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume In-Reply-To: <200502261214.j1QCDq3I093346@net.indra.com> References: <200502261214.j1QCDq3I093346@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "otsisto" wrote: >Basically, most of Butterick's "Making History", are created with the >average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first garb. >It is researched but they will cut corners to accommodate. The lack of a >corset is a good example. This pattern is still a fair sight better than the circa-1978 version I have in my pattern archives. THAT pattern was an omnibus costume pattern that used the same basic bodice and skirt pieces for an 18th Century dress, a "Pilgrim" (as in "Mayflower" and "Thanksgiving") dress, and a "gypsy" dress-and-underbodice. >>But somehow, McCall's costumes always feel that way to me, and I almost >>never can put my finger on what's bothering me. Probably the cut-corners. I find it's what made their "Tudor Rose" pattern look a bit "off" and what made their 1490's-era Venetian pattern a bit "off". The Venetian, I managed to refit to my satisfaction (and then I lost a whole lot of weight so I never got to wear it). Brenda webwarren@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJ35oh025395 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:03:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJ2QZj014140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ2PSb032630; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ2NO1032608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-104.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.104] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DABsJ-00053h-0b for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:11 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:29 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <000201c52736$0e302280$686453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503121738.j2CHbqrr077650@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth, You could certainly ignore this 'bumroll' thing altogether. Many 18th century gowns were worn with multiple petticotes for fullness, but no bumrolls at all. I honestly couldn't tell you if the 'bumroll' is a modern costumer's idea or if they really wore them in the 18th century. I'm going to have to track down that "cork" reference now and see where it comes from! Panniers (side hoops) and round hoops, definitely. But I can't think of a period picture of a bumroll, and we have a lot of period pictures of everything else a woman wore under her gown. Personally, I have never worn a bumroll with my polonaise gowns and I make the one to which you refer in Patterns of Fashion quite often and it fits perfectly well. Once a volunteer at the 1753 house asked me if I would teach her how to make one of my bumrolls and I had to disappoint her that I wasn't wearing one! (Does that count as the costumer's equivalent of asking a non-pregnant woman when she's due? ) If you want to see a picture of how mine looks from the back, check out the blue dress on this page (page down a bit): http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/18thc/gallery.html The burgundy dress on my friend Britt is also the same style and she wore it without a bumroll too. Skip the bumroll. I'm sure it will look wonderful! Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Hi everyone, I'm reproducing the "polonaise gown with the back cut en fourreau" on page 36-37 of Patterns of Fashion 1. I've started my corset and expect to be finished within the next week or so but according to the notes the dress is supposed to be fitted over a 'false rump' so does anybody know of a good (online) pattern for this? I can't afford to import patterns so it's got to be 'big 3' or easy to draft on my own. I assume it isn't the same crescent shape used by Elizabethan costumers as it essentially only supposed to widen the hips at the sides but not add to the back. Although the originals are apparently stuffed with cork I assume padding with something softer would work as well? Or could I get away with not wearing a bum roll, given that I have natural padding there instead :) thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:05:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJ5fvi025410 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:05:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJ4qZj014363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:04:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ4n7k034311; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j26I3WZh085624 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j26I3Qw05197 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:03:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:04:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Althea Turner To: Costume Historical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E087B26-8E6A-11D9-BEBB-000393C0A652@alfalfapress.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need shoe book recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO hello, I am looking for recommendations of books about shoemaking. I know there are some shoe-gurus on the list and would love some advice. My bro-in-law is apprenticing with a shoe maker and I want this for a Christmas present. I don't have a particular period, but I lean towards medieval. Thanks! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:08:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJ86bn025435 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJ7ZZj014628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ7WG8036342; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j26NE7ku072234 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2005 23:14:01 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050306231148.015ae9e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:12:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Had to share In-Reply-To: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:58 06/03/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. >After having looked at several more Italian Artists, I am beginning to >think that Bildindex is either being sloppy or is confused. I've seen >several of the same paintings under several different artists. > >http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/registerinhalt?sid=&cnt=&rid=2&aid=*&query=+xdbpics%3Aalle%20+r1a_name%3A'A*'%20%20+r1a_name%3A%22 >anguissola,%20sofonisba%22&no=1&count=50&sort=no&rid=2 > >Sorry about the horribly long url, but H-cost no longer takes TinyUrl! >Darn! Love the dress with the check pattern - most unusual. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:12:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJCG44025471 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJBgZj014940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJBgYc039177; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j270dSHY022705 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sheryl.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-206.kc.rr.com [65.30.96.206]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j270RSCk009170 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:27:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050306184652.00a2b980@pop-server.kc.rr.com> X-Sender: sherylnd@pop-server.kc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:48:52 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century small print fabric In-Reply-To: <200503011703.LAA22906@Bluejay.creighton.edu> References: <422488CB.2020109@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's an interesting fabric: http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/ac-945.html The pattern may be just a bit big (The floral stripe is 3 inches), but for a 16" doll, it might be do-able. Sheryl N-D At 11:03 AM 3/1/05 -0600, you wrote: > > > Here is a question that's a bit off-topic. I have 2 16" vinyl dolls >designed by Helen Kish, that I would love to redress in various historic >costumes. I have a pretty accurate pattern of two 18th century gowns >designed for Sasha dolls that I will alter to fit these dolls and use my >copy of Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" to make more accurate. However >I'm looking for modern reproductions in a small scale of 18th century >fabrics and I'm not enough of an artist to make my own. I live in Omaha, NE >and even the speciality quilt shop here doesn't carry such stuff. I've shown >the staff pics of "real 18th c fabrics" I want a reproduction of and they >drool over them too, but no luck. I'd love to find something along the lines >of the printed fabric used for the robe de la francaise in Arnold in cherry >shades with the "buttoned" stomacher. Does anyone know of anyone out there >that carries such reproduction fabric in cotton or silk? Fabric with a small >interwoven pattern, like a floral stripe or brocade in an 18th c pattern >would also be great. > >Many thanks > >Cindy Abel >brujne@creighton.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:15:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJFULE025511 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:15:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJEuZj015212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJErZR041346; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([83.141.69.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j278kQWx005333 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:46:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:45:07 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4AED@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:45:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] Sent: 05 March 2005 15:02 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon > but the only thing she replyed was did you see the wings i made for the angel for (a swedish film i dont think you know). She was so proud of those angel wings, and i thoaght well well......... Ok, now I'm curious: What movie was it? Can't quite recall any swedish movies with angels. /Lena ================================================= We're moving... >From 21st February 2005 our new contact details will be: Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 27 Merrion Square Dublin 2 Tel: 01 7997200 Fax 01 7997201 e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. If you are not the intended recipient of this email please contact our systems administrator. Thank you. NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless otherwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:18:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJICZ3025529 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:18:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJHaZj015418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJHaSC043120; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from panther.mail.utk.edu (panther.mail.utk.edu [160.36.178.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27ETZjT005374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by panther.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27ET0r7031251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:29:04 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:29:30 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) Message-ID: <4238EE09@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > At 03:58 PM 3/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > I stumbled across this link this evening through artcyclopedia and just > > had to share it. It has a number of paintings I have never seen > > before. Until I pulled up the self portrait, I did not realize the > > artist is a woman! Gotta love these kid scenes. > > Greetings, > > The tinyurl worked for me. I love Sofonisba Anguissola's work and am > surprised to see a couple of paintings I have never seen before (in > particular the gold plaid gown ones). Are those by any chance the ones > that are showing up under other artist's names? > I don't know. I'd never seen tham at all until I saw them here some time ago. I"ve never seen them in any of the books about her -- I'd never seen them anywhere! I ran across a web site some time ago (that of course I can't find now) that was of paintings being restored -- that's what it looks to be with that gold plaid image -- there are 3 copies -- one is "cleaned and pressed" t the other is somewhat "tattered." Sofonisba was the first great fremale painter of the renaissance -- she became court painter in spain. and you've got to love the paintings that she did of her younger siblings! Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:23:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJN76a025559 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:23:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJMYZj015851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJMWQs046282; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27JHFUA071506 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f39.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.57]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B0F552628CD for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:17:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c5234a$4c0ba1f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:17:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] to fit a pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I dont know about how you do it, but making something for yourself and using a commersial pattern is very difficult. You cant se how it sits on your back and vise versa. I had thoaght a lot about what i should do with the wedding suit of Gustav III wich i baught at Stockholm, it was a little of a nightmare for me to pussle that out. Then i have a tailorshop nearby, it looks very expensive, they also sells uniforms and they sewed the crownprince's uniform he wore at the wedding. But i emailed them about my problem, the pattern is a little two big for me. Would you know, they said i should just come by and they would only charge me 150 kr. to adjust the pattern to my meassures...................... So i am going tomorrow! 150 kr. is about 25 dollars......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:26:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJQCBO025577 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:26:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJPeZj016011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJPdAb048162; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j27Ji4cH097352 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:44:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LLN4UI9T00IVA8U3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:43:59 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LLN4UIE8PCIGTCUH@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:43:59 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:43:49 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise In-reply-to: <20050307025924.40691.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <422CAEF5.50706@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050307025924.40691.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bella wrote: >>Sleeves - regular length or longer to pull thru sleeve >>slashes? >> >> > >You'll find different opinions, but mine is that yes, sometimes they >were longer to pull through sleeve slashes and fill poufs. > > I concur. If you want to pull puffs of the camicia sleeves through slashes you _need_ extra length. I don't see how any other opinions are really possible. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:28:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJSqkA025593 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:28:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJSKZj016231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:28:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJSHNv049826; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j27MkHIR065190 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:46:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 51192 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2005 22:46:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050307224610.51190.qmail@web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.47] by web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:46:10 EST Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:46:10 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: Sofonisba Anguissola (was Re: [h-cost] Had to share) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <423901A0@webmail.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For anyone interested in Sofonisba, I can't recommend highly enough the book "Sofonisba Anguissola" by Ilya Sandra Perlingieri, put out by Rizzoli publications. You may wish to track it down at your local library. It's not only very informative regarding her life, but it's also full of great portraits. Unfortunately the portrait of her mother in the plaid dress is not one of them. This book is one of my most treasured possessions. In the meantime here's another site you might wish to look at. Unfortunately it too is in Italian. Bella --- Susan Farmer wrote: > I take it back! I just ran across it in a google image search for > Sofonisba > at http://www.rccr.cremona.it/anguissola/sofonisba.htm > > Unfortunately I don't read Italian. I'm also seeing some other > things (via > google) that I'm not sure if I've seen before either. > > Jerusha Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:31:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJViod025616 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJVAZj016418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:31:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJVAhj051670; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281KUDo089587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 28914 invoked by uid 507); 8 Mar 2005 12:20:14 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 12:20:14 +1100 Message-ID: <01c501c5237c$f1d96400$0302a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:19:58 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's the only way I've seen. Must be a good sized book for that postage! I recently sent some fabric by sea mail from Canada - it took over 10 weeks for it to get here! Lucky it was still 2 months before I needed it - the joys of planning ahead! Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book from > US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 US for > airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail or it'll be > months before I see the book. > Thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:34:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJYmaF025635 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:34:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJXjZj016540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJXg1K053300; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j281o2m8011264 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LLNHM6QHWGIVAB5R@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:49:59 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LLNHM2AVQSIP1VYS@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:49:48 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:49:39 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - lower costing postage? In-reply-to: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <422D04B3.5060903@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <4A1DAA06-8F70-11D9-99A5-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Aylwen & John wrote: > Hi, I'm urgently trying to find a cheaper way to get a costuming book > from US to Australia - so far the quote is $12 US for sea mail and $25 > US for airmail. Is there a cheaper option? I don't want to go seamail > or it'll be months before I see the book. > You should be able to have it sent Global Priority. I've had things like (smallish) board games sent by this method. http://ircalc.usps.gov/intl_speed.asp?CID=10013&MailType=envelope&Pounds=3&Ounces=%200 -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJdF2b025685 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:39:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJcdZj016917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:38:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJcaff056421; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:38:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2843Dkl000520 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD423C75E for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:01:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <422D2427.7000405@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:03:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric to sell References: <422B8AF9.7070202@earthlink.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050307045025.01294cc0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <422D1D63.9060106@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One of them is costumetrader, which should be here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader Dawn Wicked Frau wrote: > Errr which group is this on Yahoo specifically? > > Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > >> Greetings all... >> >> Excuse this one announcement...I will be listing a bunch of fabric for >> sale on the Swap & Sell yahoo groups. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:42:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJgdYd025717 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJg7Zj017114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:42:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJg4wr058714; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j28ChGlU001749 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 05:43:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.157.4c0d85d9 (17079) for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:43:05 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My daughter is to play a Saxon peasant in a school production of the Norman invasion for her 5th grade social studies class. This is not my period and I have not been able to find any online pix or references for what would be appropriate for her to wear as a Saxon peasantwoman (plenty of knights & nobles, tho). Obviously we don't need to go over the top here, but where can I find some references with pix so I know remotely how to dress her? The teacher says to just "cut holes for arms & head in a sheet & sew up the sides & put a dark vest on over it," but that chills my historic sensibilities to the bone. Are there any articles in her 18c wardrobe that could be adapted? She has her plain white linen shift & brown wool underpetticoat, a grey-blue lightweight wool outer petticoat (double-ties wrap around waist), a red & white resist print shortgown (probably won't work!), a choice of either her blue & white striped apron, or a plain white apron. I have time to make other articles and a proper cap if I could find what one looks like --or would it be a headcloth of some sort? Floundering, Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:50:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJo6J4025805 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJnXZj017971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJnU94063783; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j294AZGw009696 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200503090410300150046g6ve>; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:10:30 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.117; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:10:30 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] handweaver Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:10:30 +0000 Message-Id: <030920050410.18769.422E7735000C94D40000495122007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Really? I'm looking for someone who'd be interested in buying a "Floor Loom Kit". -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > We are looking for another person who is skilled in weaving authentic > fabrics of wool and blends of wool, linen and cotton (no synthetics). If this > person is familiar with handspinning and/or vegetable dyeing so much the > better. > We would prefer someone who is familiar with twills and plain weaves that > are suitable for 18c & 19c clothing. Please feel free to forward this email to > anyone you feel may be interested. Thank you. > > Best regards, > Susannah B. Smith > > Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring > _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:53:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJrEjj025836 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:53:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJqgZj018158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:52:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJqel5065831; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:52:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j294vmJc041303 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j294jdCr010060 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:45:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050308225202.00c09ed0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:57:18 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <20050309015720.45768.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] quiet list! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The list is amazingly quiet...where is everyone?! I was hoping to be useful and come up with a juicy topic for discussion but my mind is a blank. The only things I can think of have been hashed in one form or another before...anyone want to talk about what would be their favourite movie costume to reproduce? Or how about would be the one costume type/time period that you have never done but really want to do? I know I've always dreamed of a robe a la francaise with huge panniers, intricately trimmed, and just completely over the top, ever since I got the fairytale book when I was a child with Cinderella decked out like that. That's my gambit. : ) Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 14:56:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CJupS1025876 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:56:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CJuHZj018511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJuEdk068220; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29BYoML076215 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0xc3d7be81.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [195.215.190.129]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8715747FEB9 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:34:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5249c$01ad4d40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:34:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] taffeta stays and embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I thoaght you would like to se the progress i make with the red taffeta stays. I have uploaded pictures so that the young lady i make them for can follow my work. As you know i spended the last 2 days making the bone channels, and only got to make one backpiece and one front piece. Today i have to rest a little, as i have a full time work to catch up tomorrow. When i rest i love to embroider, and i also have a waistcoat going on, i thoaght you would like to see. The stays are here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm And the waistcoat embroidery here at the bottom : http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm Then there also is a boring job to do for me today: house cleaning aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:01:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CK1Bip025911 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:01:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CK0eZj018878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:00:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK0dHv071020; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29H0uLm006173 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F8E40F1B for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2967B37CF3; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:00:55 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CLyvIAAG1KAEAAAAB,b7cffd4252f298a066ee9b1f5694999d Message-Id: <20050309170056.2967B37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know this is probably waaay late, but here it is anyway.... ( I'm not behind with reading my mail, no.....only a month or so!!! ) --- Lynn Downward wrote: wrote: > > Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by intended > use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, or even by > color/ print? > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CK1XYe025917 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CK0SZj018859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK0OeR070853; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK0L2t070754 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.168]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9284A262805 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:00:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c5273e$20620ec0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4AED@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:00:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lena, The danish title was Den Enfoldige Morder, about a simpleton who murders a rich horrible man. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Strid" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [mailto:drewscph@post12.tele.dk] > Sent: 05 March 2005 15:02 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: BArry Lyndon > > >> but the only thing she replyed was did you see the > wings i made for the angel for (a swedish film i dont think you know). She > was so proud of those angel wings, and i thoaght well well......... > > > Ok, now I'm curious: What movie was it? Can't quite recall any swedish > movies with angels. > > /Lena > > > > ================================================= > We're moving... >>From 21st February 2005 > our new contact details will be: > Margaret Gowen & Co. 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Thank you. > > NOTE > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of > the company or its associated companies unless > otherwise specifically stated. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:05:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CK5JZC025933 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:05:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CK4gZj019291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:04:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK4dvJ073753; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK2u58072655 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.168]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C207262807 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:02:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c5273e$873f5ee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c5234a$4c0ba1f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:03:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Laughs, This email i sended several days ago. End of the story was that it was a total misunderstanding. They thoaght i only wanted to be meassured, and this would cost 25 dollars. Laaughs Well they gave me an address for a very skilled tailor, but the price for this task would be much more than i want to pay, so i actually made my fitting by myself. Bjarne That blue duchesse satin suit, must be made now!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] to fit a pattern > Hi, > I dont know about how you do it, but making something for yourself and > using a commersial pattern is very difficult. You cant se how it sits on > your back and vise versa. > I had thoaght a lot about what i should do with the wedding suit of Gustav > III wich i baught at Stockholm, it was a little of a nightmare for me to > pussle that out. > Then i have a tailorshop nearby, it looks very expensive, they also sells > uniforms and they sewed the crownprince's uniform he wore at the wedding. > But i emailed them about my problem, the pattern is a little two big for > me. > Would you know, they said i should just come by and they would only charge > me 150 kr. to adjust the pattern to my meassures...................... > So i am going tomorrow! > > 150 kr. is about 25 dollars......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:06:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CK6E9c025946 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CK5SZj019357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK5SHu074299; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29HVAM4034789 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5773C75D for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:29:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <422F3310.7050606@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:32:00 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization References: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joannah Hansen wrote: > > I think this may the article you have in mind. > > http://www.bitwizards.com/norborough/timetosew.html > That's a great article. I'm fortunate (I think) enough to not have to keep my costume fabric stash in tubs in a storage unit. (That's for the quilt fabrics) I've got two 6 foot bookshelves for all the flat folds, which is the majority of it. I ended up sorting it by color. It worked for me, I now have a much better idea of what I already have on hand, and it looks very pretty from the hallway. I have started pinning yardage tags onto each piece when I bring it home, so I know at a glance if I have 2.5, or 3, or 4 or more yards without having to unfold it and measure each time. Best of all, since re-arranging the fabric I have cleared an entire shelf for my new costume books, which means I can buy more without feeling guilty about having "too much stuff already!" Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:09:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CK93PU025973 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CK8SZj019647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK8QOE076164; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29L96bV035908 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B116BBFF78 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:08:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <422F65E1.3040408@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:08:49 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization References: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I love the text. It sertanly helped me a lot with organising my sewing stuf! Joannah Hansen wrote: >I know this is probably waaay late, but here it is anyway.... >( I'm not behind with reading my mail, no.....only a month or so!!! ) > >--- Lynn Downward wrote: > >I think this may the article you have in mind. > >http://www.bitwizards.com/norborough/timetosew.html > >It used to be on Stephen Bergdahl's webpage, but that seems to >have disappeared, which is a real pity. > >Regards, > >Joannah. > >On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:26:01 -0600, Dawn >wrote: > > >> Which do you think would work better, sorting the fabrics by >> >> >intended > > >> use (all the light cotton skirt fabric together) or by size, >> >> >or even by > > >>color/ print? >> >>Dawn >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:13:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKD5kl026004 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKCRZj020072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:12:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKCON4078796; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:12:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A2HZiM082969 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:17:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) Received: from nomad2 (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2A2HBRs024429 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:17:11 -0500 From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:17:32 -0800 Message-ID: <016b01c52517$515c0db0$6539a8c0@nomad2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309185025.014b91e0@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've got a bunch of peacock feathers I've been thinking of sewing with - but haven't been sure of the best method. How did you do it? Margo Glenn-Lewis Longtime lurker "Don't Forget Your Bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert/Brave Combo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization At 13:40 09/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Not to dismiss the fun of those little re-discoveries... but it is well >worth it... > >>with drawers and boxes full of fabrics from 20 years and more back, I >>don't have the time to do all of that! > >And besides... that's what Graduate Students are for. AND >Tongue Firmly in Cheek. > >Mari / Bridgette Nice idea, but there is barely room for me and the cat! And the last student I had, I spent two days sewing on the peacock feathers she had taken four days to sew on. (All hers came off immediately! and there were 800 to sew on - urgh!)) You can see why I am *off* students at the moment. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:16:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKGBUN026041 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:16:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKFYZj020313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKFYk7080690; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com (web41903.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2A2MMUe086124 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:22:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35775 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Mar 2005 02:22:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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From the ground up. I do have questions about these two gowns in particular. Other than I will have some insane beading to so...its what has attracted me to these dresses to begin with... anyone wanting to take on a challenge via e-mail for wither of these two subjects? Tudor or Elizabethan Gowns??? please feel free to e-mail me here or off list. Thank you. Lady Satine De La Courcel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:18:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKIwlD026074 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:18:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKIJZj020627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:18:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKIG3M082543; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A9CdB4050679 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005031009123401300ocqice>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:12:34 +0000 Message-ID: <004e01c52551$4fdeb020$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu><5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1><20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net><5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <004801c5254f$a3655b60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:12:40 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am sorry. Danielle generally writes me privately around this time of night. Danielle please try to send it to me off-list and I will try to post it to the list for you. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:21:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKLqTr026096 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKLIZj020835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKLHig084503; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:21:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A9QkuJ058807 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050310092640014001hckie>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: <005c01c52553$489980e0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:26:47 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] From Danielle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:57:18 -0600 >>To: Historical Costume >>From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >>Subject: quiet list! >> >>The list is amazingly quiet...where is everyone?! I was hoping to be >>useful and come up with a juicy topic for discussion but my mind is a >>blank. The only things I can think of have been hashed in one form or >>another before...anyone want to talk about what would be their favourite >>movie costume to reproduce? >> >>Or how about would be the one costume type/time period that you have never >>done but really want to do? I know I've always dreamed of a robe a la >>francaise with huge panniers, intricately trimmed, and just completely >>over the top, ever since I got the fairytale book when I was a child with >>Cinderella decked out like that. >> >>That's my gambit. : ) >> >>Cheers, >>Danielle >> >>Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com >>Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class >>Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:25:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKPFYR026131 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:25:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKNoZj021002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:23:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKNlOG086099; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:23:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2A9sFlX074455 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005031009540901300ocpave>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:54:09 +0000 Message-ID: <007d01c52557$1fe3ea60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:54:17 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc3mcgill-Metrics: net.indra.com 1275; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Regions VS Areas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2CKPFYR026131 Status: RO OFF TOPIC: Geography Question: I am working on a project and can't figure out what to call the larger areas of France in the 19th Century. My project has areas like Brittany and Normandy. Within these areas are listed regions. Is there another name for "area," like province? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:27:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKRMGQ026165 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKQiZj021217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKQimG088005; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AEHbNj031236 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.186.195.37]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050310141727.KHFR2476.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:17:27 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:15:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcUk0R8xKNVThtsjSY6BzxDVfIb0hgAqYzfw Message-Id: <20050310141727.KHFR2476.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Besides, I would miss those wonderful moments that go "I didn't know I had >that!!" Boy, can I ever relate to that ;)) >But I also found a length of green wool for a skirt, which I vaguely >remember buying when I was a college (!), a length of green silk, and ditto >blue striped silk which I shall use *eventually*!! I would miss all of that >if I was organised!! >Suzi Honey, I have fabric that my GRANDMOTHER bought, never used, gave to mother, ditto and I have had it for over 30 years!!! Any ideas on what to do with some lovely apple green satin that is over 80 years old???? Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:30:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKUErO026200 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:30:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKTaZj021439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKTYbQ089623; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2AEIKT8031750 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 14:18:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050310141638.014b9ab8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:18:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] something wrong with the list? In-Reply-To: <423055A1.3030501@in-tch.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20050309133747.01be9858@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> <20050309170051.9DFAA3960@sitemail.everyone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20050310024056.0232c008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 07:11 10/03/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I'm fine, here (Montana, local ISP). I've seen your messages. Perhaps >there's a delay with your ISP? >--sue > >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >>Greetings, >>Is there something wrong with the list? My last post didn't show up on >>the list and I'm clearly not getting all the emails since I'm getting >>parts of discussion threads! Is anyone else having this problem? I haven't had much mail for two or three days, although something I sent recently did get back to me. It doesn't seem normal that I only get two or three messages in a day - the list is usually much chattier than that! Suzi in London _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:33:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKXxfX026223 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:33:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKXSZj021813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:33:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKXSBf092179; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AH3j4r070916 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005031017034001300oi5m7e>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:03:40 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.114; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:03:39 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:03:39 +0000 Message-Id: <031020051703.21954.42307DEB000BE89C000055C222007503300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Testing, Pippa! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:37:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKbM00026252 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKanZj022109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:36:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKajfm094184; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2AKdfFW075231 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:39:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so576613rnf for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OrT6CZV3dRRlTWFEZvaqAX7yD+eYEA4nuuAoSzIh7udyE+OkUD4U3DzG63iRva4WjOjt3/ANFkP9xCw9bzT0ufagPm19JSZvDTD3KMRgxsLKE8LZn0oskOu4a+XIkDFcp+tgtvLL6SEzxyGZVBkUlhz2hSRI5FvcnqKhj7K8DWo= Received: by 10.38.75.71 with SMTP id x71mr2232531rna; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:40 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2AKdfFW075231 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Regions VS Areas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Penny, I suppose you've been told 6 times by now, how about using the French words "provence", "région" or "département"? The first is political, administrative or Catholic organization), the second used primarily for gross geography or specifically for viniculture, the 3rd is governmental or scholastic. The "provence" (province) designations go back as far as the early Ancien Régime. People from Aquitaine have long self-identified with their province long before France was a significant power. For fun & useless trivia, "La Belle Provence" is Quebec. If a French or French Canadian person tells you otherwise, do believe him/her. I'm sure they know more than I in this matter. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:54:17 -0500 From: "Penny Ladnier" Subject: [h-cost] OT: Regions VS Areas To: "h-costume" Message-ID: <007d01c52557$1fe3ea60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OFF TOPIC: Geography Question: I am working on a project and can't figure out what to call the larger areas of France in the 19th Century. My project has areas like Brittany and Normandy. Within these areas are listed regions. Is there another name for "area," like province? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:40:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKecco026274 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:40:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKe2Zj022315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKe2Jv096242; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ANN7oi025016 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.5b.65477e6c (18251) for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:22:55 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.65477e6c.2f6230cf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:22:55 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/10/2005 6:11:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell version, in specific)? This became a real problem on the Wardrobe trailer of a film that took place in the 1860s ... which had limited space. We gathered all the hoops and the waistband up in one hand, tied it with a piece of twine to stay and hung it over the neck of a hanger. Then hung the hanger flat to the wall on a peg behind the racks for the other garments. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:43:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKhTNW026292 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:43:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKgtZj022648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:42:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKgo3f098079; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:42:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2B1lCLc037764 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m193.in-tch.com [216.166.191.193]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2B1hT827868 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:43:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4230F9DA.3090009@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:52:26 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Back when I still had a set, I used to store them, flattened into a single ring (if that makes any sense), hanging from a big nail in my closet. I did not have permanently stiff hoops, though--I'd made mine with 3/8" polytubing for "bones," so that I could wrassle them into submission and get them into a suitcase when I went to an SCA event. If/when I ever make another set, I'll try rag-stuffed channels, and probably hemp or rope as well. --sue sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell > version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to > twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is > now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > > Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use > with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out > a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort > the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:48:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKmvaV026328 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:48:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKmMZj023271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKmJsd001964; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BFVITF063464 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.119 ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050311153112014001npnbe>; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:31:12 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.119; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:31:09 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:31:09 +0000 Message-Id: <031120051531.18368.4231B9BC000CE51B000047C022007614380809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Bjarne! Could you send me the contact info for this? Thanks! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Dear Sunny. > I would recomend you in the future to use Wissners artificially whaleboning. > It comes in a width of nearly 1 inch and it is very suitable for this > purpose, and as it is made of a plastic of a kind, you can bend it back in > shape, if it distorts its original shape. > I use it even to make the large 18th century panier hoops with this, and it > works very well. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:06 AM > Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? > > > > What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell > > version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to > > twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is > > now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > > > > Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use > > with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out > > a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort > > the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? > > Thanks!! > > -sunny > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 15:54:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CKsoF5026375 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CKsJZj023772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKsGiT005487; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BGR89l013165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-243.sonic.net [209.148.114.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2BGR77d027505 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:27:07 -0800 Message-ID: <4231C6E3.1090109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:27:15 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kebayas References: <42311328.1050708@lavoltapress.com> <000901c52648$e3e71440$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> <4231C4B3.4000102@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4231C4B3.4000102@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I should emphasize that I am looking for a place to buy traditional embroidered Kebayas in the US, online or in the San Francisco Bay Area. There are lots of references to people in Malasia wearing them, but I can't go there to shop. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:01:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CL1bps026427 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:01:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CL0vZj024257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:00:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL0lKR009362; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CL0hbW009266 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 21:00:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050312203323.014ba660@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:37:30 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Regions VS Areas In-Reply-To: <007d01c52557$1fe3ea60$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 04:54 10/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >OFF TOPIC: Geography Question: I am working on a project and can't figure >out what to call the larger areas of France in the 19th Century. My >project has areas like Brittany and Normandy. Within these areas are >listed regions. Is there another name for "area," like province? All of the areas in France are also divided into "Departements". These are sort of like English counties as far as I can work out. Also of course, they divide geographically too "the South West", "North East" and so on. I have never quite worked out the systems, despite visiting France almost every other year. Geographic Area Then like Normandy etc, then Departement then small town area, then something even smaller, that I cannot remember the general name for. Sorry, not too helpful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:03:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CL3Ini026446 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:03:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CL2mZj024475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL2mnV010655; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL2kws010609 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m134.in-tch.com [216.166.191.134]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2CKx3807248 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:59:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <42335A31.8000501@in-tch.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:08:01 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got dumped on, as well, all h-costume stuff, all from the first part of March, but the total's closer to 50 or 60. Since Robin and I are both on the western side of the pond, Julian, I suspect it's all of us, and not just the Europeans. --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 > dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CL435m026456 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CL3XZj024607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL3XeF011204; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:03:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2C05127010165 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005031200045501600hhm9ie>; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:04:55 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c52697$1f3373b0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:04:55 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Classes & instructor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2CL435m026456 Status: RO Along time h-costumer, Danielle Nunn-Weinburg, will be teaching two new online classes at our Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com . For those who do not know Danielle's background, she is a doctoral candidate at the University of Manchester, England, specializing in 16th century English clothing and textiles, particularly in written sources. Although academically concentrating on 16th century clothing, Danielle's interests cover the full historical spectrum with recent focus on the Regency period and 18th century clothing. She has a vast collection of fashion plates from 1800-1830. Danielle's online classes are: ***16th Century English Clothing in Text (She will be covering items that she has found in her textile & clothing research in English wills.) Class starts April 11. ***A Fitting Image: Regency Clothing in Fashion Plates: 1800-1830 (class starts May 16) We do expect for Danielle's classes to book up quickly. If you are interested in her classes, please register ASAP. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:07:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CL7IFI026480 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CL6jZj024910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:06:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL6hXP013238; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:06:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com (web41905.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2C7JCsI037396 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81991 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 07:19:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=g1naE6+3LCBP9wbUCCVCsW6oMZwYVvxatFZEOfYOzIpqwtY0hjG3m1FK5iHuMRD28JMw1go2hVqJAECdtjW5ZIhq7Eej2Pd6Kb+gxFRPFPXeNBCcrOxulPeiXVVHzRXmgUMavvknfJUd4tv3dfkr0rd6vz3LgKIsWJ3ZH0cmg0Y= ; Message-ID: <20050312071907.81989.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.168] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:19:07 PST Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ohhhh.. I will be stateside this weekend I will have to pick some up! thansk for teh info! Satine Joannah Hansen wrote: The Gutterman silk threads are lovely to sew with, hand OR machine! Joannah --- jaurbik@optonline.net wrote: From: jaurbik@optonline.net Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann I stopped at Jo-ann's yeasterday (just for some hand-sewing needles) and discorved something nice (for once at jo-anns). They are now carrying more kinds of gutterman's threads, including cotton and SILK threads. They seemed to have about 30 diffrent colors of the silk in 100m-110y spools and each spool cost about $3.90. This is about 60 cents more per spool then Dharma Traders but you don't pay shipping-but you do pay taxes.....so it is still more expenve i guess, but it is easier to match colors then online. anyway, I have switched to mostly silk thread cause i mostly sew wool, linen, or silk so I thought I would give a heads up. They asked me to participate in a phone in survey so I made sure to mention how much I liked the fact that they were now carrying the silk thread. jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:10:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLABOq026501 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:10:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CL9aZj025195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CL9ZuT015038; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CEsW5P098675 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.168]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D937262839 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002501c52713$5fc009d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com><002401c52646$9fdaa5c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <4232F634.2080203@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Attention Bjarne-Wissners artifical whale boning- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Here is my source for artificially whaleboning. http://www.wissner.de/ It is a german company, so i am lucky that it is my neighbor country. They only take big orders more than 100 euro, i think it was. I have also ordered their narrow 0,4 mm. boning for 18th century stays, i can make a pair of stays look like the authentic old ones, with this narrow boning. Anyway, their site is also english and german, so you should not have any problems with the language. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] Attention Bjarne-Wissners artifical whale boning- > Where do you buy this Bjarne? I cannot find a source online. > Thanks, > > Sg > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Dear Sunny. >> I would recomend you in the future to use Wissners artificially >> whaleboning. It comes in a width of nearly 1 inch and it is very suitable >> for this purpose, and as it is made of a plastic of a kind, you can bend >> it back in shape, if it distorts its original shape. >> I use it even to make the large 18th century panier hoops with this, and >> it works very well. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:06 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] hoop storage? >> >> >>> What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell >>> version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to >>> twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is >>> now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). >>> >>> Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use >>> with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out >>> a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort >>> the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? >>> Thanks!! >>> -sunny >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:12:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLCx13026519 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:12:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLCLZj025443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:12:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLCHZ9016753; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CFFKmY011191 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fa8.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.168]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 386A626284D for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:15:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005b01c52716$5359e050$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050312024244.3DE1B37DD0@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:15:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/761/Thu Mar 10 14:01:48 2005 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Jordana, Congratulations with this. Yes sewing silk is lovely to work with, i use it always when i make something in silk, even my zig zag at the seams gets silk. Sewing silk also is thicker than ordinary sewing thread, and i think it holds well. But it is expensive. I am currently making a pair of red taffeta stays fully boned with 0,4mm boning. A lot of bone channels and a lot of sewing silk. I calculated that i use about 150 kr. wich is about 25 dollars for the sewing thread alone for this pair of stays. I also baught a lot of pale blue sewing silk yesterday, because now i want to make my duchesse satin suit. It has ben on my plans long enough. I so enjoy to have many projekts going on at the same time, it is so nice that you can start something new, if you need a break with something else. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann > The Gutterman silk threads are lovely to sew with, hand OR machine! > Joannah > > --- jaurbik@optonline.net wrote: > > From: jaurbik@optonline.net > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26:28 -0500 > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Silk Thread & Jo-ann > > I stopped at Jo-ann's yeasterday (just for some hand-sewing needles) and > discorved something nice (for once at jo-anns). They are now carrying more > kinds of gutterman's threads, including cotton and SILK threads. They > seemed to have about 30 diffrent colors of the silk in 100m-110y spools > and each spool cost about $3.90. This is about 60 cents more per spool > then Dharma Traders but you don't pay shipping-but you do pay taxes.....so > it is still more expenve i guess, but it is easier to match colors then > online. > > anyway, I have switched to mostly silk thread cause i mostly sew wool, > linen, or silk so I thought I would give a heads up. They asked me to > participate in a phone in survey so I made sure to mention how much I > liked the fact that they were now carrying the silk thread. > > jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:18:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLI2jZ026561 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLHSZj026014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLHPfU020133; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CHM0bH067644 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A52F7790005C; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:21:51 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 12 Mar 05 17:21:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c52728$2d298cc0$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <42311328.1050708@lavoltapress.com><000901c52648$e3e71440$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> <4231C4B3.4000102@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kebayas Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:34:15 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not exactly. I simply used "kebayas" for my look-see. The ones on e-bay looked something like the voile shirts one is seeing in the new beach wear sections of the general catalogues of Western wear. I have a small volume of traditional wear from Indonesia my daughter brought me and it has some examples of styles that overlap the Malaysian mode. Now I do have a gown from the Philippines that will date circa1900. It is of vegetable (pineapple?) fiber that is rather coarse, almost like horsehair, with the peculiar sleeve. The skirt, however has the turn of the century flare. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kebayas > I searched for them extensively on Google and Dogpile last night. I > looked for "antique kebayas," "vintage kebayas," and "traditional > kebayas." I found a book on antique kebayas (which I ordered), a press > release saying they are trendy in Asia, several references for stores or > areas to shop for them if you travel to Indonesia, and one site that > sells a few modern ones: > > http://chantiqskaly.fotopages.com/ > > I have a beautiful traditional woman's kebaya in a very pale peach voile > that is quite fitted (almost like an 1880s bodice), open in front, has > rather long front points, and is elaborately emboidered at the hem and > sleeve hems with a narrow embroidered border up the rest of the front > and around the neck. Is that the type you saw? > > Thanks, > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > >Fran, I can guess that you have already "googled" kebayas. I was amazed at > >the number of sites that came up. I only glanced at a couple of them to get > >an idea of what you might be looking for. The newer ones seem to be "big > >shirts" in modern parlance. Do you want the fitted style? > > > >kathleen > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Lavolta Press" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:40 PM > >Subject: [h-cost] Kebayas > > > > > > > > > >>Does anyone know where online to buy vintage kebayas (Indonesian blouses)? > >> > >>Fran > >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > >>http://www.lavoltapress.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:21:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLLAta026594 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:21:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLKTZj026261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLKS9B021913; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CICEol000415 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04165 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:25:29 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:25:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone know this woman's work? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend of mine is considering contacting Angela Essenhigh for some costume work. Her website is http://www.asfs19.dsl.pipex.com/seams/ . Recommendations or other feedback from those familiar with her work would be much appreciated. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:23:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLNtLZ026613 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLNKZj026544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLNFg8023715; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ18Es031621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:01:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-72.sonic.net [209.148.114.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CJ174M030062 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:08 -0800 Message-ID: <42333C7C.8070502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pirate Reenactment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone on this list costume for "pirate reenactment" and if so what is it? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:25:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLPn6d026625 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:25:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLPIZj026686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:25:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLPHWw024913; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CLPF1i024862 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56841 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 21:25:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20050312212509.56839.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.175] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:25:09 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:25:09 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: I just got dumped on, as well, all h-costume stuff, all from the first part of March, but the total's closer to 50 or 60. Since Robin and I are both on the western side of the pond, Julian, I suspect it's all of us, and not just the Europeans. Ah, well, I thought that our List had been a little quiet over the last week. Glad to know that it's not just me; because other Listers have also been affected. Julian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:30:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLUAW9026669 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:30:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLTaZj027133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLTXTp027723; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CK4Yii073713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2CJugov028209 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:56:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42334B50.7060001@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:04:32 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that/Indra.com failing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 > dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? Not just this one -- another list I'm on through Indra.com just dumped messages out to me also. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:32:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLWubr026723 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:32:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLWPZj027404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLWOSK029635; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CKk5AN000332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz@net.indra.com) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.12.9/Submit) id j2CKk52Q000330 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eliz) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:46:05 -0700 From: Elizabeth Lear To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] delayed messages Message-ID: <20050312204605.GG83947@net.indra.com> References: <20050312180827.73148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050312180827.73148.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Apparently some ransom messages got stuck in the local system, and a flush has just pushed them all out. ...eliz -- Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you tell them. - The Flying Ks _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 16:35:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CLZmhs026754 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:35:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CLZGZj027625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLZDYA031394; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLDUR1017537 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1238308rne for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:13:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D6UbW/HyBwbxCaTRJ8fYvQ5lnmVx66H3+JryGEmUwCS/fPAc/kkZhcg/n1kDUBK6FLUPpLJ5N5MXx1CNfcz/sq6axVMUTJ0dA5EJ9fZ4RM90hQ+rYAE7kXUvEHfUYPk0tpQDwZeFGqMJSVs6wzSYsrMBLXAZfTaHF4rE0tx0/iw= Received: by 10.38.82.76 with SMTP id f76mr3893865rnb; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:26:46 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >According to the OED: >A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of >increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. Sounds more like a sleeve head than a shoulder pad or interfacing, which makes sense, it would form the pleated cap more crisply. That's one modern use for a sleeve head in tailoring. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 17:01:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CM12eL027053 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:01:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CM0BZj029812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLxwYL047567; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CLxt8a047470 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43451403F6 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 12308395A; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:59:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] handweaver X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCM2ZMAA64SQEAAAAB,a62c419456e6ffb95999883de789e374 Message-Id: <20050312215941.12308395A@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What kind of loom? How much? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) wrote: From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:10:30 +0000 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] handweaver Really? I'm looking for someone who'd be interested in buying a "Floor Loom Kit". -- Slan go foill Elena Tighearnaigh tha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > We are looking for another person who is skilled in weaving authentic > fabrics of wool and blends of wool, linen and cotton (no synthetics). If this > person is familiar with handspinning and/or vegetable dyeing so much the > better. > We would prefer someone who is familiar with twills and plain weaves that > are suitable for 18c & 19c clothing. Please feel free to forward this email to > anyone you feel may be interested. Thank you. > > Best regards, > Susannah B. Smith > > Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring > _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 17:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CM35Ge027078 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CM2WZj029928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CM2T9q049091; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CM2R3j049058 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05933 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:15:44 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:15:43 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] delayed messages In-Reply-To: <20050312204605.GG83947@net.indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Elizabeth Lear wrote: > Apparently some ransom messages ... Help! The list has been kidnapped! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 17:24:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CMOvLD027342 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:24:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CMOGZj001846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CMODjm062044; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com (web41908.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2CMOAbg061950 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19158 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2005 22:24:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RxHUgNDNIBZ3h4knnuagbtjQLDLwLYvZwgDjqO+LG9CFIiTQX+1F2eOTw2FqdCrKhqCNeOWeWBQ9nuvuZC/f8CxqZo0ARXJ0xraplv51Vfmng3NVpRP9h0FjyFn+HmizTmoxdYprpoRPNu5KuUG2MK8MvvGVWZKYl05R1OY/rp4= ; Message-ID: <20050312222405.19156.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.145.78.140] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:24:04 PST Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:24:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] From Danielle To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Doesanyonewantto helpmwwith re-creating either Bes's PheonixorPelican gownsI love those two and have a LOT of Q's thanks Satine Penny Ladnier wrote: >>Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:57:18 -0600 >>To: Historical Costume >>From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >>Subject: quiet list! >> >>The list is amazingly quiet...where is everyone?! I was hoping to be >>useful and come up with a juicy topic for discussion but my mind is a >>blank. The only things I can think of have been hashed in one form or >>another before...anyone want to talk about what would be their favourite >>movie costume to reproduce? >> >>Or how about would be the one costume type/time period that you have never >>done but really want to do? I know I've always dreamed of a robe a la >>francaise with huge panniers, intricately trimmed, and just completely >>over the top, ever since I got the fairytale book when I was a child with >>Cinderella decked out like that. >> >>That's my gambit. : ) >> >>Cheers, >>Danielle >> >>Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com >>Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class >>Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 17:52:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CMqc1U027633 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CMpwZj003667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CMpteq079282; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CMpqRb079189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:51:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D054ul006970 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:05:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:51:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503121751.46610.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Saturday 12 March 2005 1:18 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 > dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? Yes. Particularly since I sent mine out last week! -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 17:55:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CMtIFr027660 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:55:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CMsVZj003942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CMsTIb081030; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CMsQoE080972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:54:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D07cv2006991 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:07:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:54:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503121754.21129.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 03 March 2005 12:02 am, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/2/2005 3:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > penny@costumegallery.com writes: > > If I recall, the print was placed to hide her nipples. I have the old > magazines for Oscar fashions. When I come across her photo, I will let > you know. That's what I remember too. The style--a sheer fabric with patches of opaque fabric/beaded fabric/embroidered decoration (choose one) was trendy at the time; I have a mesh top with strategically placed bead clusters that I bought to wear for myself around then. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 18:18:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CNIRWh027828 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:18:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CNHmZj005477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:17:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNHgHS095026; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNHeNq094944 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44893FCE0 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id C51793940; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need shoe book recommendations X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCM3iPAAu+6gEAAAAB,0eff77e1460b13c7627367d2b78c9cc7 Message-Id: <20050312231735.C51793940@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My personal favorite is the Meuseum of London series book Shoes & Patens Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Althea Turner wrote: From: Althea Turner Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:04:27 -0800 To: Costume Historical Subject: [h-cost] need shoe book recommendations hello, I am looking for recommendations of books about shoemaking. I know there are some shoe-gurus on the list and would love some advice. My bro-in-law is apprenticing with a shoe maker and I want this for a Christmas present. I don't have a particular period, but I lean towards medieval. Thanks! Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com I think, therefore I'm dangerous. I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 18:19:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CNJGmY027833 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CNIgZj005519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:18:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNIfLB095589; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:18:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNId34095530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:18:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-226.sonic.net [209.148.113.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNIZIe005095 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:18:36 -0800 Message-ID: <423378D5.5000209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:18:45 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kebayas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have already received my book on traditional kebayas: _The Nyonya Kebaya: A Century of Straits Chinese Costume_, by Datin Seri Endon Mahmood. It has beautiful pictures, no real patterns but some details on the construction process. I'm going to use it to try and communicate with http://www.chantiqskaly.com in enough detail to get one made. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 18:50:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CNo835028053 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CNnQZj007578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNnNHJ014546; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNnJDu014432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D12TnQ007613 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:02:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:49:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tuesday 08 March 2005 7:43 am, Susannah9810@aol.com wrote: > My daughter is to play a Saxon peasant in a school production of the Norman > invasion for her 5th grade social studies class. [snip] > The teacher says to just "cut holes for arms & head in a sheet & sew up > the sides & put a dark vest on over it," but that chills my historic > sensibilities to the bone. Are there any articles in her 18c wardrobe that > could be adapted? [snip] In the Anglo-Saxon period, there's no indication that there was a big difference in cut between what the wealthy wore and what peasants wore--the major differences were type of cloth (nobles wore finer wools and possibly sometimes even silk) and ornamentation (much less likely to be found on peasant clothing). The linen shift will do just fine, but she really should have an at-least-ankle length, straight or slightly A-line cut tunic to wear over it. There are a number of websites that describe how to make these; here are some of the ones I think are more useful: For a method that matches surviving period garments pretty well: http://www.forest.gen.nz/Medieval/articles/Tunics/TUNICS.HTML http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html For a non-period method that doesn't require as much cutting: http://home1.gte.net/kmvogt/ktunic1.html In period, such tunics would beAlthough I have never seen evidence of aprons being worn by Anglo-Saxon women or girls, I don't think it would be terribly false to period for her to wear a white apron. (Solid color aprons in colors other than white I've heard of for later in the Middle Ages, but I've never heard of any striped aprons in period. I don't think the shortgown or the petticoat will be of any use to you for this period, alas. As for headwear, women are usually depicted in veils. Maidens (i.e., young unmarried girls) could get away without wearing headwear. Here are some potentially useful websites on Anglo-Saxon garb in particular: http://www.octavia.net/9thclife/Clothing.htm http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wychwood/costume/moreinfo.shtml#female If you have time, or decide you've acquired a more than casual interest, this book (also available on Amazon) is an amazing compendium of information about the subject: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43830817.HTM Hope this does for a first start. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 18:50:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2CNoVTZ028062 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:50:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2CNnuZj007643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNnuTb014926; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2CNnrcv014838 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.83]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20050312234947.JESM1218.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:49:47 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20050312174244.029b6760@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:49:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com> References: <200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 164 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO According to my memory (a notoriously unreliable instrument), there is a French painting of dancers that shows "bum rolls" and other undergarments of the period... I just cannot remember the exact citation. I'm leaving town shortly or I would look it up for you. Beth At 04:55 PM 3/12/2005, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:29 -0500 >From: "Kass McGann" >Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' >To: >Message-ID: <000201c52736$0e302280$686453d8@Kass> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Elizabeth, > >You could certainly ignore this 'bumroll' thing altogether. Many 18th >century gowns were worn with multiple petticotes for fullness, but no >bumrolls at all. I honestly couldn't tell you if the 'bumroll' is a >modern costumer's idea or if they really wore them in the 18th century. >I'm going to have to track down that "cork" reference now and see where >it comes from! Panniers (side hoops) and round hoops, definitely. But >I can't think of a period picture of a bumroll, and we have a lot of >period pictures of everything else a woman wore under her gown. > >Personally, I have never worn a bumroll with my polonaise gowns and I >make the one to which you refer in Patterns of Fashion quite often and >it fits perfectly well. Once a volunteer at the 1753 house asked me if >I would teach her how to make one of my bumrolls and I had to disappoint >her that I wasn't wearing one! (Does that count as the costumer's >equivalent of asking a non-pregnant woman when she's due? ) > >If you want to see a picture of how mine looks from the back, check out >the blue dress on this page (page down a bit): >http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/18thc/gallery.html >The burgundy dress on my friend Britt is also the same style and she >wore it without a bumroll too. > >Skip the bumroll. I'm sure it will look wonderful! > >Kass >Reconstructing History Patterns _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 19:26:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D0Pu7v028280 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0PCZj010051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0P1uq036353; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2D0Or4Q036184 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313002318.0156ec28@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:24:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 164 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050312174244.029b6760@mail.alltel.net> References: <200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com> <200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:49 12/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >According to my memory (a notoriously unreliable instrument), there is a >French painting of dancers that shows "bum rolls" and other undergarments >of the period... I just cannot remember the exact citation. I'm leaving >town shortly or I would look it up for you. > >Beth > >At 04:55 PM 3/12/2005, you wrote: >>Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:29 -0500 >>From: "Kass McGann" >>Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' >>To: >>Message-ID: <000201c52736$0e302280$686453d8@Kass> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Elizabeth, >> >>You could certainly ignore this 'bumroll' thing altogether. Many 18th >>century gowns were worn with multiple petticotes for fullness, but no >>bumrolls at all. I honestly couldn't tell you if the 'bumroll' is a >>modern costumer's idea or if they really wore them in the 18th century. >>I'm going to have to track down that "cork" reference now and see where >>it comes from! Panniers (side hoops) and round hoops, definitely. But >>I can't think of a period picture of a bumroll, and we have a lot of >>period pictures of everything else a woman wore under her gown. There are various shapes of bum rolls in a cartoon by Rowlandson, called, I think, "The Bum Shop". Possibly to be found in "Corsets and Crinolines"? I don't have mine to hand right now. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 19:26:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D0QGDL028283 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0PCZj010050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0P1gZ036354; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:25:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2D0Oqj6036175 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313000724.014ba818@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:14:42 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization now peacock feathers In-Reply-To: <016b01c52517$515c0db0$6539a8c0@nomad2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309185025.014b91e0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 18:17 09/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I've got a bunch of peacock feathers I've been thinking of sewing with - but >haven't been sure of the best method. How did you do it? > >Margo Glenn-Lewis >Longtime lurker Only received this today - 12th. Sorry not to have been able to answer you before. I cut the feathers quite short, so there was no "stem" without feathery bits. Starting at the bottom, I laid the foundation row, on metallic silk organza. First stitch, a knot into the fabric, and anchored thread, then over the stem twice, then through the stem once or twice to stop it moving. Finish off firmly - those feathers walk. Then repeat, just under the "eye" part, very firm and tight, as this stops the feather turning too much. Don't bother to sew through this time. Then do the next row like a row of bricks, in the gaps. It is tedious, time consuming and back breaking!! You can see the results here http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p10043022.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 19:31:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D0VMOj028316 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0UoZj010317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:30:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0Ul5Q039771; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2D0Orja036176 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 00:24:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313001531.015c5798@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:17:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization In-Reply-To: <20050310141727.KHFR2476.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER > References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050309174116.014b90f8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:15 10/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Besides, I would miss those wonderful moments that go "I didn't know I had > >that!!" > >Boy, can I ever relate to that ;)) > > >But I also found a length of green wool for a skirt, which I vaguely > >remember buying when I was a college (!), a length of green silk, and ditto > > >blue striped silk which I shall use *eventually*!! I would miss all of that > > >if I was organised!! > >Honey, I have fabric that my GRANDMOTHER bought, never used, gave to mother, >ditto and I have had it for over 30 years!!! Any ideas on what to do with >some lovely apple green satin that is over 80 years old???? Me too!! I have just given a pile of wartime underwear crepe to a friend who does World War ll re-enactment. She will pay me in sewing hours - fair barter as far as I am concerned!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 19:35:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D0ZobP028341 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0ZGZj010634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0ZDOk042478; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:35:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0Z5a0042363 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) Received: from nomad2 (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0Z5w0016554; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:35:06 -0500 From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: "'Historical Costume'" , Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization now peacock feathers Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:34:58 -0800 Message-ID: <00e301c52764$7ceac260$6539a8c0@nomad2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313000724.014ba818@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2D0Z5a0042363 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you, Suzi! The delay seems to have been something to do with the list. I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my question - and the link to your finished product. Stunning!!! Backbreaking and tedious and time consuming probably does not even begin to describe it! And I am impressed that it only took you two days. Margo Glenn-Lewis "Don't Forget Your Bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert/Brave Combo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization now peacock feathers At 18:17 09/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >I've got a bunch of peacock feathers I've been thinking of sewing with - but >haven't been sure of the best method. How did you do it? > >Margo Glenn-Lewis >Longtime lurker Only received this today - 12th. Sorry not to have been able to answer you before. I cut the feathers quite short, so there was no "stem" without feathery bits. Starting at the bottom, I laid the foundation row, on metallic silk organza. First stitch, a knot into the fabric, and anchored thread, then over the stem twice, then through the stem once or twice to stop it moving. Finish off firmly - those feathers walk. Then repeat, just under the "eye" part, very firm and tight, as this stops the feather turning too much. Don't bother to sew through this time. Then do the next row like a row of bricks, in the gaps. It is tedious, time consuming and back breaking!! You can see the results here http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p10043022.html Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 19:38:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D0cbEC028354 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D0c3Zj010999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D0c0fM044183; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2D0ZoHW042838 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 84090 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2005 00:35:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20050313003544.84088.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.61] by web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:35:44 EST Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:35:44 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > I concur. 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Thanks! Sg C M wrote: > Hi, > > now for the fourth time (my e-mail doesn't like me to send anything at > the moment...) > > A source for stripey duppioni silk could be hyena fabrics > (www.hyenaproductions.com). They might not have the exact same fabric > in stock, but they could most likely get it for you. They have been > able to get specialty silks in the past provided you get at least 10 y. > > Hope this helps, > > Caithlinn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 20:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D1B708028555 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:11:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D1AYZj013732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:10:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1AXmh064873; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1AWN3064854 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAHcl-000739-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:10:31 -0800 Message-ID: <42339325.10208@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:01 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern-an alternative References: <000c01c5234a$4c0ba1f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <001201c5273e$873f5ee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001201c5273e$873f5ee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh darn! I was about to send you congratulations on such a great deal. But Bjarne, have you ever made a duct tape dummy? You would need help from your honey (and a few close friends would make it go faster), but it is such a great way to go if you need an exact replica of yourself. Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 20:11:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D1BZIO028558 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D1B4Zj013792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1B4A8065226; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1B3mO065198 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAHdF-000774-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:11:01 -0800 Message-ID: <42339343.50402@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:31 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Brocade References: <20050312070449.58016.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050312070449.58016.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the report...that blue and gold looks very yummy to me! Kathy Page wrote: >http://dollarfabric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=00000001&Category_Code=2054 > >I recieved my samples of these silk brocades - they >really ARE silk, burned like it, disintegrated in >bleach like it... it's gotta be a duck. > >The overall weave is fairly thin but the metal threads >keep it stiff. The metal threads slip out as fast as >breathe on them though. The seams would have to be >completely finished in order to sustain any wear and >tear. The rondels are approximately 12 cm in diameter >based on my estimation - they gave me samples that >were too small to include a complete repeat. I >assembled them together into best estimate and >measured from there. > >Thought I'd give a review on my findings. :-) > >Kathy > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 20:12:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D1CFtd028564 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:12:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D1BhZj013825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1BeDU065623; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1BdJe065602 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAHdq-0007C2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:11:38 -0800 Message-ID: <42339368.8000401@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:12:08 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You made me LOL! (That doesn't happen very often!) Sg Robin Netherton wrote: >I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 >dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 20:16:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D1GQ3P028599 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D1FsZj014188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:15:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1Fsu9068200; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:15:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D1Fluh068123 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAHhq-0000Lh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:15:46 -0800 Message-ID: <42339460.8010701@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:16:16 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Term I need explained References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh goody, then I can perhaps call this one Mahoitered, even though it doesn't look much like the "typical ones" http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg See Deredrere's post of 3/11 and my response: Ref: You are not going to believe this, but I just wrote an inquiry to the Chatsworth house where this painting lives. The reply is attached. I have been given permission to have a better black and white picture and may be ordering the transparency. (In a later note, "They" decided to not sell me a slide.). If you want to go in on the transparency, contact me off list. ;} Sg Dear Saragrace Knauf, Thank you for your email. The painting is no longer thought to be of Mary Queen of Scots after a pectoral cross that had been overpainted onto the original painting was removed in a 1950s cleaning. There is little doubt that the painting had been altered in order to sell it to a former owner as Mary Queen of Scots. It is now attributed to Alonso Sanchez Coello (1531/2-1588)? Please can you tell me why you want a 35mm slide? These are usually only spplied for lecturing purposes. If you are wishing to reproduce the image in a publication I can hire you a 5 x 4" colour transparency for a three month period at £35 (+VAT). In addition there is a reproduction fee dependant on usage. Regarding a listing of the paintings at Chatswowrth, you can apply for a list of Pictures from the Photo Survey Dept. of the Courtauld Institute of Art, the Strand, London. We also sell a list of paintings which hang on the public route of the house. My colleague, Charles Noble, Keeper of the Collection, (collection@chatsworth.org) would like you to contact him if you have comments to make about the dress shown in the portrait. Is it Spanish, for instance, or can it be tied to a specific nationality? I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Yours sincerely, Diane Naylor -------------------------- Diane P. Naylor (Mrs) Photo Librarian Chatsworth Bakewell Derbyshire DE45 1PP Tel: +44 (0)1246 565300 Fax: +44 (0)1246 565318 http://www.chatsworth.org The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and therefore the Trustees of the Chatsworth Settlement cannot accept legal or contractual responsibility for its content. This message, and any attachments with it, are confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and destroy your copies of the message and any attachments. Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a black and white picture of a dress and I would like to see > it in colour and to have some more information of it. > Is there anyone who knows more about this painting? > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cin wrote: >>According to the OED: >> >> > > > >>A pad placed in the upper part of the sleeve of a garment for the purpose of >>increasing the apparent breadth of the shoulders. >> >> > >Sounds more like a sleeve head than a shoulder pad or interfacing, >which makes sense, it would form the pleated cap more crisply. 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Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that You made me LOL! (That doesn't happen very often!) Sg Robin Netherton wrote: >I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 >dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 22:39:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D3dfIc029806 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:39:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D3cmZj023584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D3cgJo051523; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D3cd9P051487 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF33B15CA2 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern software question Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:38:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <002501c52713$5fc009d0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcUnR9r7yEJwYkKzQBqYmsNgs8h6QAANfwkg Message-Id: <20050313033851.CF33B15CA2@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Does anyone here use Dress Shop or Pattern Master by Wild Ginger? I am thinking of getting one of the software packages to save altering patterns and the headache it is for me, but am wondering if anyone can help me compare them, or has experience with them. You can reply off list if you wish. Thanks. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 12 22:45:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D3jsh6029897 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:45:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D3jNZj023907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D3jKps055579; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D3jHbd055547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-108.sonic.net [209.148.114.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D3jG3i009955 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:45:17 -0800 Message-ID: <4233B755.4070705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:45:25 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A site on kebayas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Appears to be excerpts from the book I bought. 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Back in HS French class, we were told that certain Parisian arrondissements had specific "characters" attributed to them (much like we get the rich section of town, the student-housing areas, "the other side of the tracks", etc.)... 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.blanconet.it webmaster@blanconet.it _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 00:03:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D53i68030470 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:03:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D52tZj028667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D52mib001141; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D52fkN000999 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ID900KBNY06D0@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@net.indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.30] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.195.10]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:02:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:02:35 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: [h-cost] Online source for info on 17-18th century fabric To: Lena Strid , h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hope this isn't too late - but try Brigade of the American Revolution (BAR) or Jos. Townsend Co, or Smoke and Fire. Hope this helps Katheryne ---- Original Mesage---- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:40:00 +0000 From: Lena Strid Subject: [h-cost] Online source for info on 17-18th century fabric I'm suddenly finding myself writing an archaeological report on post-medieval fabrics from a site in Dublin. As my focus is the medieval period, I'm a bit on thin ice here. Does anyone know of a good online source for information on everyday wear, fabric materials etc from the 17th - 18th century? I have only two days to write the report, so library hunting is unfortunately out of the question. /Lena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 00:28:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D5ShvR030607 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D5S2Zj000303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D5Ru1o015405; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f39.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D5Rsup015305 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:27:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.96.28 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:27:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.96.28] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200503130114.j2D1Dp15066879@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:27:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 05:27:49.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[65820920:01C5278D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Looking for shoe book recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: Althea Turner >I am looking for recommendations of books about shoemaking. I know >there are some shoe-gurus on the list and would love some advice. My >bro-in-law is apprenticing with a shoe maker and I want this for a >Christmas present. I don't have a particular period, but I lean >towards medieval. Thanks! Some pretty good shoe books. Goubitz, Olaf, Carol van Driel-Murray, and Willy Groenman-Van Waateringe. Stepping through Time: Archaeological Footwear from Prehistoric Times until 1800. ZwoIIe Netherlands: Stichting Promotie Archeologie, 2001. Grew, Francis, and Margrethe de Neergaard. Shoes and Pattens Medieval Finds from Excavations in London: 2. London: Her Majesty's Stationary Office, 1988. Mould, Quita, Ian Carlisle, and Esther A. Cameron. Craft, Industry and Everyday Life.~ Leather and Leatherworking in Anglo-Scandinavian and Medieval York. Vol. Vol. 17, Fasc. 16 The Archaeology of York.; the Small Finds. York: Council for British Archaeology, 2003. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 00:31:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2D5VX9a030633 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2D5UvZj000428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D5UuHq017061; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2D5UrUT016926 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (smtp-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.195]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0ID9006HFZB6BZ@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:30:43 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-146-109.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.146.109]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC44A9E439 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:30:41 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:25:03 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise In-reply-to: <20050313003544.84088.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4233CEAF.8060808@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <20050313003544.84088.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bella wrote: >--- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > > > >>I concur. If you want to pull puffs of the camicia sleeves through >>slashes you _need_ extra length. I don't see how any other opinions >>are >>really possible. >> >> > > >I meant that there is another opinion to the effect that the 'camicia' >seen in slashes and poufs is faked, not the real camicia. :-) > > > > Ah, fair enough. But having made one or two things with poofy sleeves, I think the "false puffs" theory doesn't stand up to the application of Occam's razor (Occam's pinking shears?), at least not for the styles I've made. Adele d'M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 05:04:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DA4DiY008236 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DA3SZj017140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:03:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DA3H1P069816; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:03:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DA3Erx069752 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005031310030901600hdfvue>; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: <00cc01c527b3$dc994a70$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:03:06 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, I checked in my Oscar fashion mags. The floral prints / overlay were over a good portion of Haley's breasts. BTW, about those fantail dresses... I checked my Oscar mags and they have been worn back and forth since the 1980s. One or two actresses would wear the style to the Oscar but this year took the cake for the style. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 05:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DA5ofF008251 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:05:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DA5EZj017265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DA5EEq070775; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DA5CKU070728 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050313100507012001k966e>; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:05:07 +0000 Message-ID: <00d001c527b4$23494c90$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050312180455.639B33952@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscars Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:05:08 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO RE: Keeping a gown on: Lalah is correct about the spray. Hairspray is also used to hold a garment in place, especially bathing suit bottoms. A double stick tape is also used. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 06:52:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DBqpOZ013508 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:52:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DBpuZj019880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 04:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DBplw4097436; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 04:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DBpcX6097360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 04:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-121.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.121] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DARd4-0001kh-L4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:51:31 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:51:48 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <000901c527c3$0d0c19d0$796453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503130114.j2D1Dp15066879@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18thc 'bumrolls' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know the illustration, Beth. It's in the first Patterns of Fashion and the picture dates to 1625. Not helpful for documentation of bumrolls in the 18th century. Thanks for the memory job, Suzi. The picture *is* called "The Bum Shop" and it dates to 1785. But it doesn't, unfortunately, show any "bums" in the shape that Hunnisett and Arnold show. I really believe that they are applying the 16th/early 17th century bum roll to the 18th century. And I contend that it is the wrong shape altogether and makes the wrong profile under the 1770s polonaise Elizabeth is talking about making. If anyone has any illustrations of sausage/crescent bumrolls being used in the 18th century, please let us know. Because I think it's a mistake. Kass >>>> Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:24:42 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 164 To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313002318.0156ec28@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 17:49 12/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >According to my memory (a notoriously unreliable instrument), there is >a >French painting of dancers that shows "bum rolls" and other undergarments >of the period... I just cannot remember the exact citation. I'm leaving >town shortly or I would look it up for you. > >Beth > There are various shapes of bum rolls in a cartoon by Rowlandson, called, I think, "The Bum Shop". Possibly to be found in "Corsets and Crinolines"? I don't have mine to hand right now. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 07:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DC5L7c013625 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DC4aZj020198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DC4UB3004117; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DC4PKN004083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-121.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.121] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DARpR-00022r-NM for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:04:18 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:04:37 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503122255.j2CMtASp081487@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sure. I am involved in Pirate reenactment. It is the reenactment of the Golden Age of Piracy (1680s-1720s). Mostly we're a group of Rev War reenactors who are also into period seamanship. So one day when we were sick of drilling in the sun in July, we decided we'd rather be lawless criminals. And the Pirate Brethren were born. We kitted ourselves out in late 17th/18th century clothing and accoutrements, and we do events where we talk about what real pirates were like in the Golden Age of Piracy (I think, actually, that we've forbidden the word "Arrrrgh" from our vocabulary!). We do a variety of evening in the Mid-Atlantic states, everything from living history timelines to Renaissance Faires. Here's a link to my group: http://www.piratebrethren.com/ I found out this year that Pirate Reenactment is so popular throughout the country (even in land-locked states!) that this autumn I am planning on producing a line of patterns for the Golden Age of Piracy for men and women. I also volunteer at Pennsbury Manor http://pennsbury.org and their constant complaint is that there is no source of clothing for the turn of the 18th century. So I will be producing patterns later in the year to fill this need. Bet you didn't know there was such a big Pirate contingency, Fran, other than the "poly pirates" who run around the Ren Faires and say "Arrrgh" a lot. ;) Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Subject: [h-cost] Pirate Reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <42333C7C.8070502@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Does anyone on this list costume for "pirate reenactment" and if so what is it? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 07:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DCK6lR013715 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:20:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DCJGZj020899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCJDGj011290; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCJ9Ij011275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-121.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.121] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DAS3i-0002Ps-8f for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:19:02 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:19:20 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <000c01c527c6$e5d18a90$796453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503131205.j2DC4dTw004163@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Online source for info on 17-18th century fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Lena, It isn't European 18th century, but there is a wonderful swatch book called "Textiles for Colonial Clothing" by Sally Queen that explains all the different fabrics in use here and includes samples of each. As many of these fabrics were imported from England, I would think it would be useful in your search. Here's a link to the book on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965819744/reconstructinghi/ I hope that helps, Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:40:00 +0000 From: Lena Strid Subject: [h-cost] Online source for info on 17-18th century fabric I'm suddenly finding myself writing an archaeological report on post-medieval fabrics from a site in Dublin. As my focus is the medieval period, I'm a bit on thin ice here. Does anyone know of a good online source for information on everyday wear, fabric materials etc from the 17th - 18th century? I have only two days to write the report, so library hunting is unfortunately out of the question. /Lena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 07:26:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DCQcI5013753 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:26:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DCPpZj021115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:25:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCPl9q014599; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCPidI014574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2DCHpov006858 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:17:51 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:17:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42343146.1000802@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:25:42 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> In-Reply-To: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kass McGann wrote: > Bet you didn't know there was such a big Pirate contingency, Fran, other > than the "poly pirates" who run around the Ren Faires and say "Arrrgh" a > lot. ;) Cool! I have some friends who rented a sailing ship for a trip around SF bay years ago, to do sort of pirate reenactment. They're less serious than you, I think, but more of the wool-and-linen sort. I wasn't able to attend, dang. I know there are whole organizations dedicated to the poly-pirates; I've stumbled upon their websites before. They're usually heavily dependent upon "Arrrr"s. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 07:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DCQfZd013756 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DCQ9Zj021132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCQ9ZZ014789; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DCQ5RD014686 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A157B78012E; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:25:59 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 13 Mar 05 12:25:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004101c527c8$02e79100$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050301223124.025a13a0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:27:22 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This tube idea is done easily with the old nylon stocking... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century 'bum roll' > > >C'mon! You don't need a pattern! It's a crescent shape. It stops just at the > >front of the hips. [so the waist measurement of the inside curve is maybe 2" > >or 3" more than 1/2 your waist measurement.] No padding in front. > > Or you could just make a tube the right diameter for the back part, long > enough to reach all the way around you and with tie strings on each > end. Stuff it with about half as much padding as would fill it, and pack > the padding toward the middle so that the ends get smaller at the tie strings. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 09:28:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DES2M7014676 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DERKZj010221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DER7Hd076689; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:27:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DER6GE076656 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:27:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f09.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.9]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CD1C147FE63 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:27:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003901c527d8$c6e59100$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050310141727.KHFR2476.lakermmtao12.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric organization Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:27:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh yes, i have a wonderfull idea, send it over here to Denmark to me please!!!!! Bjarne Sorry could not resist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric organization > > >>Besides, I would miss those wonderful moments that go "I didn't know I had >>that!!" > > Boy, can I ever relate to that ;)) > >>But I also found a length of green wool for a skirt, which I vaguely >>remember buying when I was a college (!), a length of green silk, and >>ditto > >>blue striped silk which I shall use *eventually*!! I would miss all of >>that > >>if I was organised!! > >>Suzi > > Honey, I have fabric that my GRANDMOTHER bought, never used, gave to > mother, > ditto and I have had it for over 30 years!!! Any ideas on what to do with > some lovely apple green satin that is over 80 years old???? > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 09:40:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DEeWPW014762 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:40:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DEdnZj010939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DEdkWI083595; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DEdhMW083577 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f09.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.9]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E2B235EE08C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:39:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007f01c527da$89c72250$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com><200503122255.j2CMtASo081487@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050313002318.0156ec28@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 164 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:39:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And written refferenses two!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 164 > At 17:49 12/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>According to my memory (a notoriously unreliable instrument), there is a >>French painting of dancers that shows "bum rolls" and other undergarments >>of the period... I just cannot remember the exact citation. I'm leaving >>town shortly or I would look it up for you. >> >>Beth >> >>At 04:55 PM 3/12/2005, you wrote: >>>Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:02:29 -0500 >>>From: "Kass McGann" >>>Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' >>>To: >>>Message-ID: <000201c52736$0e302280$686453d8@Kass> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>>Elizabeth, >>> >>>You could certainly ignore this 'bumroll' thing altogether. Many 18th >>>century gowns were worn with multiple petticotes for fullness, but no >>>bumrolls at all. I honestly couldn't tell you if the 'bumroll' is a >>>modern costumer's idea or if they really wore them in the 18th century. >>>I'm going to have to track down that "cork" reference now and see where >>>it comes from! Panniers (side hoops) and round hoops, definitely. But >>>I can't think of a period picture of a bumroll, and we have a lot of >>>period pictures of everything else a woman wore under her gown. > > > There are various shapes of bum rolls in a cartoon by Rowlandson, called, > I think, "The Bum Shop". Possibly to be found in "Corsets and > Crinolines"? I don't have mine to hand right now. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 10:18:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DFID3k015036 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:18:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DFFcaT012809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DFBcmK001601; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:11:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DFBaKk001583 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:11:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32f09.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.9]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 42A9347FEDA for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:11:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00d901c527df$02074bb0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:12:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century bum rolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kass I dont know if you have ever ben to Victoria & Albert Museum in London? They have several dresses worn with bumrolls, and i can asure you that the bumroll is nescesary to obtain that skirt shape, wich they are made with. Also Norah Waugh has several quotations about bumrolls. A letter written in 1777 in french mentions them and they are called Culs postiches. Other words are Cul de Crin wich means they are made of horse hair. The english sometimes calles it a Cork Rump because the stuffing is made of small pieces of Cork. You must remember that there were so many different shapes of these "bum rolls" that it almost was nescesary to make a bumroll for each dress you had. Fashion changed very quickly. I am sorry that i dissapoint you here, but there are many evidents that they existed Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 10:23:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DFNvN0015077 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:23:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DFNLZj013173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DFNHXL007837; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:23:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DFNEdH007804 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.19.189.73]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IDA005Y1QQ96BX0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:23:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:28:26 -0500 From: "Jeanine E. Swick" In-reply-to: <200503131204.j2DC4dTv004163@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <42345C1A.3010608@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200503131204.j2DC4dTv004163@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Vol 4, Issue 166: Out of order digests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've been getting the digests is some really wacky order recently. Yesterday: 158, 161, 141(!), 142, 145, 163, 159, 160, 162, 164, 165 is how the came in. Anyone else out there having this problem? Jeanine in snowy MA h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:30:09 -0800 > From: "Edith Reardon" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <001301c5276c$31ed1760$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A dump that is an understatement more like an avalanche. > > Brin Kendall > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wicked Frau" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Well, that explains that > > > You made me LOL! (That doesn't happen very often!) > Sg > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > >>I just got more than 20 messages (mostly about the Oscars) from March 1-2 >>dumped into my box. The list really has been constipated, hasn't it? >> >>--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 11:32:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DGWD3r015680 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DGVMZj016794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:31:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGV13J045990; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGUtH6045933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-31.sonic.net [209.148.114.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGUsuE001775 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:30:54 -0800 Message-ID: <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:31:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> In-Reply-To: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would have thought that pirate reenactment would be less popular, because if you're really going to do it you'd need a ship (and for purists a period ship at that), and an ocean or at least a large lake to sail it on. One imposes a financial limitation, the other a geographic limitation. Or is pirate reenactment less purist? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com >Bet you didn't know there was such a big Pirate contingency, Fran, other >than the "poly pirates" who run around the Ren Faires and say "Arrrgh" a >lot. ;) > >Kass > >Reconstructing History Patterns >http://reconstructinghistory.com >Join Our Pattern Discussion List: >http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin >ghistory.com > >-----Original Message----- > Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:16 -0800 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: [h-cost] Pirate Reenactment >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <42333C7C.8070502@lavoltapress.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Does anyone on this list costume for "pirate reenactment" and if so what > >is it? > >Thanks, > >Fran >Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 11:55:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DGtM5N015889 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:55:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DGs2Zj018270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGrIcu002587; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DFaXlj015049 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDA00K35RCZDF@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.27]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:36:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:36:28 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A while ago (a couple of months?) there was a thread about Pirates and privateers on the SCANautical (sp?) list on yahoogroups. But mostly it dealt with the types of ships - but with a little on the 'pirates' themselves. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Kass McGann > Sure. I am involved in Pirate reenactment. It is the reenactment of > the Golden Age of Piracy (1680s-1720s). Mostly we're a group of > Rev War reenactors who are also into period seamanship. So one day when > we were sick of drilling in the sun in July, we decided we'd rather be lawless > criminals. And the Pirate Brethren were born. We kitted ourselves out > in late 17th/18th century clothing and accoutrements, and we do events > where we talk about what real pirates were like in the Golden Age of Piracy (I think, actually, that we've forbidden the word "Arrrrgh" from our vocabulary!). We do a variety of evening in the Mid-Atlantic states, everything from living history timelines to Renaissance Faires. > Here's a link to my group: > http://www.piratebrethren.com/ > >Kass > -----Original Message----- > From: Lavolta Press > Does anyone on this list costume for "pirate reenactment" and if so what is it? > Thanks, > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:00:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DH0fL0015925 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:00:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DGxrZj018586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:59:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGxoWE005488; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:NLVc94twZpcc09cCEN46Q63vsYp2Ow05@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGxloN005446 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:59:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j2DGxjXY021659 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:45 -0500 Received: from 52-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.52]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com> References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:59:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You don't need your own ship, any more than you need your own ballroom to do period dance. There are a few reconstructed period ships around. Of course, these days they have modern navigation/safety equipment (generally hidden away) but they look good! And then there is the camp on the beach, or the pirates at a tavern scenario. -Carol > I would have thought that pirate reenactment would be less popular, > because if you're really going to do it you'd need a ship (and for > purists a period ship at that), and an ocean or at least a large lake to > sail it on. One imposes a financial limitation, the other a geographic > limitation. Or is pirate reenactment less purist? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:05:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DH5kXQ015962 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DH5EZj018959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DH5Bvq008108; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DGsN0c003034 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:54:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.c.40bee7cf (4592) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century bum rolls To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I am sorry that i dissapoint you here, but there are many evidents that they existed I was gonna say all that. And the bum rolls are not necessarily for a Polonaise but for the silhouette that came up right after that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:13:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DHDF0Q016042 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:13:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DHCfZj019444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:12:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHCcME011284; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHCaua011239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:12:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-31.sonic.net [209.148.114.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHCX1Z009459 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:12:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:12:42 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com> <49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > You don't need your own ship, any more than you need your own >ballroom to do period dance. There are a few reconstructed period >ships around. > Who owns them and how do you go about getting someone to let you use one? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:21:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DHLAPI016128 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:21:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DHKVZj020011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHKSg7014775; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHKPAf014743 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13842 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:33:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:33:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] documentation for chamise and overdress In-Reply-To: <8a.21cd95a1.2f568cd1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > Sorry to cause you to waste your time now that I finally figured out > what I want to do instead of what it was strongly suggested I do. Doesn't sound like a waste of time to me, if the discussion helped you figure out what you want to do! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:26:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DHQiZ3016219 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DHQDZj020364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHQAdi017368; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:+1iFRt5ORPtpI4EDa5rOdsCZN+dJhSrf@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHQ7A5017299 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j2DHQ3XY002531 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:26:03 -0500 Received: from 52-242-156-64.transbeam.com ([64.156.242.52]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:26:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com><49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:26:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO One I know of specifically is the Kalmar Nyckel, which is owned (was commisioned to be built) by the State of Delaware. They have used it for the Howard Pyle festival, although I don't know how much the pirate reenactors got to play on it. I think ships can also be rented (with their regular crew, of course). One can volunteer to learn to crew ships, which is another way to do the historic maritime hobby. Rental gets pretty expensive, though, even when spread among the members of a group. As with many things, if you're involved as a volunteer or participant at a public event, it's easier. If you want to do it privately with your group, it becomes more expensive. -Carol >> You don't need your own ship, any more than you need your own >>ballroom to do period dance. There are a few reconstructed period >>ships around. >> > Who owns them and how do you go about getting someone to let you use one? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:26:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DHQsEu016223 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:26:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DHQHZj020381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHQHOd017417; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2DHQEkd017398 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:26:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@69.108.0.161 with plain) by smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 17:26:14 -0000 Message-ID: <423477B8.1040502@fenris.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:26:16 -0800 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye References: <4246D9AD@webmail.utk.edu> <42288358.7090408@fenris.net> <001301c520d9$e6a9b1c0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <001301c520d9$e6a9b1c0$6b5183d1@rmitchellras> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AFIK they do not. If they do, then I would be very very interested. There are several kinds of Dylon dye available in the US, but I do not believe that the Machine Dye is one of them. liz Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Doesn't Dahma carry this? > > > Kathleen > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Young" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] dylon dye > > > >>Susan Farmer wrote: >> >>>>I think there are machine instructions too. Can you get Dylon hot-water >>>>dye in the US? I can't anymore. >>> >>> >>>so where does one get this wondrous stuff? I have a need to RE-dye a > > faded > >>>black doublet/jerkin ..... >> >>I got my original boxes from Teddy as part of the Great Dye Experiment* >>several years ago. I have since ordered Dylon Machine Dye from the UK >>http://www.sewandso.co.uk/ran840-0.html >> >>I have a large Kenmore front-loader, theoretically modeled on German >>front loaders. This Dylon Dye (not available in the US) and my machine >>do a great job dying large jobs. No residue, even color, seems to be >>mostly color fast (cotton and linen dyed so far). >> >>liz young >> >>*Several of us on the list in the US received boxes of Dylon Machine Dye >>from Teddy (I think Teddy sent them all) and tried the dye in our >>American machines. I know it worked in front-loaders and worked some of >>the time in top-loaders. "Dylon Machine Dye" in the archives ought to >>get you the thread. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 12:38:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DHcrEM016347 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DHc4Zj021157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHc1BW023314; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHbsa7023272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-31.sonic.net [209.148.114.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DHbo1r007943 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:37:51 -0800 Message-ID: <42347A78.8000403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:38:00 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com><49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> <49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I think ships can also be rented (with their regular crew, of >course). One can volunteer to learn to crew ships, which is another >way to do the historic maritime hobby. Rental gets pretty expensive, >though, even when spread among the members of a group. > > That's what I thought--that you'd also have to pay the crew. A historic reenactor doesn't necessarily have a clue about sailing, considering that owning any kind of boat and getting experience with it isn't cheap. It's hard to imagine someone who owned a reproduction ship letting amateurs crew it and risking potential damage to the ship, or even someone getting drowned. > As with many things, if you're involved as a volunteer or participant >at a public event, it's easier. > > > But how much of that is there really? Or do people mostly do the tavern/beach scenarios? Are you involved in them? I haven't seen pirate reenactment discussed much in costuming egroups. As someone said, I've seen the polypirates but have not thought of them as a large reenactment movement. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 13:39:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DId01W016814 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:39:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DIcGZj019715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DIc7pn059103; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DIc5DM058953 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.183]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050313183753.ZVVT1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c527fc$b767c440$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com><49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com><49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <42347A78.8000403@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:44:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Original post: > > > I think ships can also be rented (with their regular crew, of > >course). One can volunteer to learn to crew ships, which is another > >way to do the historic maritime hobby. Rental gets pretty expensive, > >though, even when spread among the members of a group. > > Fran wrote: > That's what I thought--that you'd also have to pay the crew. A historic > reenactor doesn't necessarily have a clue about sailing, considering > that owning any kind of boat and getting experience with it isn't > cheap. It's hard to imagine someone who owned a reproduction ship > letting amateurs crew it and risking potential damage to the ship, or > even someone getting drowned. Well, there is always the indoor pirate ship in West Edmonton Mall in Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) as I recall they have had weddings on it. (I was always looking to find a way to sneak on to it without getting caught, as a kid) Isn't there one as part of a show in Vegas as well? Sheridan :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 14:05:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DJ5saj017040 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:05:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DJ5CZj021642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DJ59TP076090; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DJ55Cm075970 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:05:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DAYOX-0000YM-8c for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:04:57 +0000 Message-ID: <22MfdWN95INCJwn4@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:03:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant References: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote >On Tuesday 08 March 2005 7:43 am, Susannah9810@aol.com wrote: >> My daughter is to play a Saxon peasant in a school production of the Norman >> invasion for her 5th grade social studies class. > >[snip] > >> The teacher says to just "cut holes for arms & head in a sheet & sew up >> the sides & put a dark vest on over it," but that chills my historic >> sensibilities to the bone. Are there any articles in her 18c wardrobe that >> could be adapted? > >[snip] > > > In period, such tunics would beAlthough I have never seen evidence of aprons >being worn by Anglo-Saxon women or girls, I don't think it would be terribly >false to period for her to wear a white apron. (Solid color aprons in colors >other than white I've heard of for later in the Middle Ages, but I've never >heard of any striped aprons in period. > Personally I would steer away from wearing an 18th century apron. Would I be right in thinking this would be a front panel gathered on to a band to tie around the waist? That is going to look very modern on a Saxon tunic, and I would say too neat for a peasant. You have to have something better worth saving, to bother wearing an apron to protect it. I would just go with the t-tunic. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 15:06:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DK6IoV017569 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DK5UZj026078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DK5IGi016278; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2DK5C6j016135 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 20:05:07 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313195809.014ba658@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:05:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <22MfdWN95INCJwn4@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have put the photos from The Six Wives on my fotopic site, under "The Six Wives" collection. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c461806.html The photos are official BBC issue, done at the time for publicity. I wish someone had straightened the fronts of the dresses before they took them!! Note the lave sprayed on to imitate brocade. Also the collar of state on Keith Michell - the belt buckles and odds and ends glued on to look like jewellery. The sole designer was John Bloomfield, the maker of the wives' costumes, all of them, was Jean Hunnisett, who was employed by the BBC and worked, as far as I can remember, from home. I think there are some photos of her garden full of costumes, but I cannot find them right now. The patterns for some of these dresses can, of course, be found in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800". (Published by Players Press). Any more questions - I'll be happy to answer if I can. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 15:56:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DKuTYU017912 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DKtTZj000883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DKtQr2051591; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav17.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DKtOXQ051521 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:55:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:55:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:55:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 20:55:19.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7447880:01C5280E] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The linen shift would probably work as an underlayer, and over that she can put a plain T-tunic. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html Saxon would have wide-ish sleeves, not fitted. For a woman, the most appropriate for the period would probably be a veil, but a child could go by bareheaded or wearing a simple cap, such as this http://www.arador.com/articles/armingcap.html Search Google for biggin or arming cap, they're basically the same thing. No separate skirts, no bodices, no vests. Just T-tunics. Very simple. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 16:00:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DL0Lad017945 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:00:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DKxkZj001162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DKxhJs054161; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DKxfXN054085 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:59:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:59:36 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:59:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050308225202.00c09ed0@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] quiet list! Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 20:59:36.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[90B30900:01C5280F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Or how about would be the one costume type/time period that you have never > done but really want to do? I want to do the dress Joséphine wears on the huge Napoleon coronation painting. Or any of her most "official" dresses. I'd like to find a good pattern for this, but the only things I found so far are the Folkwear dress, which is nice but doesn't have the fancy outer layers, or patterns by La Mode Bagatelle, which are a little too late for what I want to do. Or Patterns of Fashion, which are English rather than French. One day I'll figure it out. I've been wanting to do a Cranach gown forever, and now Kass has a pattern out to do this, so maybe it can happen a little sooner than I thought. Also, I want to do traditional Heian Japan, with their many, many layers of real silk. There's something about the idea of having so much silk on my body... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 16:04:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DL4QfU017989 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:04:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DL3eZj001393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DL3Zct056586; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DL3XhG056505 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:03:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:03:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c5249c$01ad4d40$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] taffeta stays and embroidery Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 21:03:28.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B1584B0:01C52810] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, how do you calculate how much shrinking will happen when you bone the stays? They're fully boned, so they must shrink quite a bit? Did you make the pattern bigger, or did you just calculate it from the mockup? But if the mockup wasn't made of the same fabric, how do you know how much the real fabric will shrink? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] taffeta stays and embroidery > > Hi, > I thoaght you would like to se the progress i make with the red taffeta > stays. I have uploaded pictures so that the young lady i make them for can > follow my work. As you know i spended the last 2 days making the bone > channels, and only got to make one backpiece and one front piece. Today i > have to rest a little, as i have a full time work to catch up tomorrow. > When > i rest i love to embroider, and i also have a waistcoat going on, i > thoaght > you would like to see. > The stays are here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > And the waistcoat embroidery here at the bottom : > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/setasilkpaint.htm > Then there also is a boring job to do for me today: house cleaning > aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 16:10:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DLA7tT018027 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:10:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DL9DZj001740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DL93Er060093; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DL92IZ060037 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:08:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:08:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Regions VS Areas Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:09:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2005 21:08:57.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEB09770:01C52810] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I suppose you've been told 6 times by now, how about using the French > words "provence", "région" or "département"? Actually, it's "province", not Provence. Provence is a specific region in the South of France. Province is also what we call the "divisions" of Canada. > For fun & useless trivia, "La Belle Provence" is Quebec. "La Belle Province" is Quebec. Actually, this is where I live :-) "La Belle Province" is also the name of a fast-food chain around here. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 16:47:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DLlWlW018316 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:47:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DLkwZj004800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DLksbq085229; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DLkqTd085190 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-75-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.44]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DLgibh030947 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:42:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050313131853.033fbea8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:21:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment In-Reply-To: <42343146.1000802@thibault.org> References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>Bet you didn't know there was such a big Pirate contingency, Fran, other >>than the "poly pirates" who run around the Ren Faires and say "Arrrgh" a >>lot. ;) >I have some friends who rented a sailing ship for a trip around SF bay >years ago, to do sort of pirate reenactment. They're less serious than >you, I think, but more of the wool-and-linen sort. I wasn't able to >attend, dang. There are two groups in the SF area, the non-poly one of which is found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayPrivateer/ CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 16:47:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DLlYJ9018319 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DLkwZj004799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DLksUf085230; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DLkqXn085204 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-75-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.44]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DLgibj030947 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:42:47 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050313132230.025a77c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:39:04 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment In-Reply-To: <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> References: <49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com> <49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >Who owns them and how do you go about getting someone to let you use one? Bay Privateers, started by one costumer and one used yacht dealer, have been making connections with various tall ships which visit the SF Bay or are home-ported here. Many of our members are volunteers and docents at the San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park, where they learned some of their nautical skills. A couple of members actually own sail boats. One is a Sea Scout leader. One is a re-enactor from someplace Back East, where he portrayed an 18th century doctor. So once the connections have been made with the tall ships, we can offer to become useful crew members: knotting and splicing, climbing the rigging and doing useful nautical things while up there, etc. The costumer/founding member has set guidelines to keep our costumes looking historical for these outings, and there are costume workshops so we can all look like re-enactors, not poly-pirates. Most of our activities, to date, have been crewing on other peoples' tall ships and rowing a reproduction of the launch the Bounty crew put Captain Blye into. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayPrivateer/ CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 18:05:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DN5GZD019078 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:05:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DN4MZj010607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DN4AMO033825; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DN48cn033803 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebarefoot.contessa@verizon.net) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 ([68.239.137.99]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IDB00M11C2S2E80@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:04:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:01:12 -0500 From: "Elizabeth" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <001001c52820$8dfe6090$2968fea9@yourw04gtxld67> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com><157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> <200503121849.11814.cathy@thyrsus.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050313195809.014ba658@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Three words...Wow - Thank you! Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll > > I have put the photos from The Six Wives on my fotopic site, under "The Six > Wives" collection. > > http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c461806.html > > The photos are official BBC issue, done at the time for publicity. I wish > someone had straightened the fronts of the dresses before they took them!! > Note the lave sprayed on to imitate brocade. Also the collar of state on > Keith Michell - the belt buckles and odds and ends glued on to look like > jewellery. > > The sole designer was John Bloomfield, the maker of the wives' costumes, > all of them, was Jean Hunnisett, who was employed by the BBC and worked, as > far as I can remember, from home. I think there are some photos of her > garden full of costumes, but I cannot find them right now. The patterns for > some of these dresses can, of course, be found in "Period Costume for > Stage and Screen 1500-1800". (Published by Players Press). > > Any more questions - I'll be happy to answer if I can. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 18:13:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DNDekk019140 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DND6Zj011257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:13:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DNCw9e039101; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:12:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2DNCvL1039022 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 31917 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2005 23:12:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050313231251.31915.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.98] by web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:12:51 EST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:12:51 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1560's Venitian chemise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- Adele de Maisieres wrote: > Ah, fair enough. But having made one or two things with poofy > sleeves, > I think the "false puffs" theory doesn't stand up to the application > of > Occam's razor (Occam's pinking shears?), at least not for the styles > I've made. My sentiments exactly. :-) Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ©Any intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 18:30:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DNUNlA019264 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:30:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DNTiZj012302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:29:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DNTej7049080; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-09.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2DNTWKO049001 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:29:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 15664 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.3.28) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 23:29:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:35:34 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050313231251.31915.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9896E728-9418-11D9-9293-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry to rush - but I'm making 10 bustle gown ensembles by Easter and and rushing like mad - hardly even manage to fit in my computer fix these days! Anyways.... I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, preferably cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me before Easter. Can anyone recommend a supplier? We need them to go with the ballgowns - but a few of our dancers are also playing instruments when they're not dancing - so I though fingerless would be best. Also, to the elbow. Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace parasols? I've found a supplier in Hong Kong but they require an order of $500 minimum- too much for us. Thanks ever so much, Aylwen ---------------------------------------------- Earthly Delights ~ music, dance & costumes http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ---------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 18:56:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2DNuQaw019479 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:56:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DNtAZj014168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DNt6S4064896; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:55:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2DNt4ea064862 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-75-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.75.44]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2DNsxw1010264 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:55:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050313155415.025e5050@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:54:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! In-Reply-To: <9896E728-9418-11D9-9293-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.a u> References: <20050313231251.31915.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, preferably >cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me before Easter. >Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace parasols? Try www.lacis.com CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 20:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E1e1Eo020174 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:40:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E1dCZj021968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E1d5bi032791; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E1d3eZ032725 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:39:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.128](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200503140138580150040gmre>; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:58 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:54 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:38:54 +0000 Message-Id: <031420050138.28545.4234EB2E0002810400006F8122070009530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a mediumish battenburg lace parasol. I even know exactly where it is in my storage unit. Would like a picture of it to see if you'd be able to use it?. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > >I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, preferably > >cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me before Easter. > > >Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace parasols? > > Try www.lacis.com > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 20:43:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E1h20W020198 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:43:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E1gSZj022211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E1gS8S034872; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E1gPur034770 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005031401422001300og14re>; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:42:20 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:42:19 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:42:19 +0000 Message-Id: <031420050142.2102.4234EBFB000847A20000083622069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I've found fingerless gloves at places like "Claire's" (a teen/gothic) kind of place in Seattle, WA. It carries these kind of gloves especially for proms and dances. Which (as a happy circumstance) at this time of year, they seem to stock up on these kinds of things in time for proms and spring dances. Sometimes they carry parasols...and other things of that nature I hope this helps. -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Sorry to rush - but I'm making 10 bustle gown ensembles by Easter and > and rushing like mad - hardly even manage to fit in my computer fix > these days! Anyways.... > I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, > preferably cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me > before Easter. Can anyone recommend a supplier? We need them to go with > the ballgowns - but a few of our dancers are also playing instruments > when they're not dancing - so I though fingerless would be best. Also, > to the elbow. > Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace > parasols? I've found a supplier in Hong Kong but they require an order > of $500 minimum- too much for us. > Thanks ever so much, Aylwen > > ---------------------------------------------- > Earthly Delights ~ music, dance & costumes > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > ---------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 23:20:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E4KPYX021130 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:20:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E4JPZj028024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E4J98a063845; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-07.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2E4J49H063668 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: (qmail 26135 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 04:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) (203.173.3.28) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 04:18:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:24:47 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Aylwen & John To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <031420050142.2102.4234EBFB000847A20000083622069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2E4J49H063668 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the leads - I've ended up getting some from Finale - the ones I want they've got 2-for-1. Just hoping to get them before Easter now. Thanks so much, Aylwen PS - Forgot to mention I'm in Australia :o))) On Monday, March 14, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > I've found fingerless gloves at places like "Claire's" (a teen/gothic) > kind of place in Seattle, WA. It carries these kind of gloves > especially for proms and dances. Which (as a happy circumstance) at > this time of year, they seem to stock up on these kinds of things in > time for proms and spring dances. Sometimes they carry parasols...and > other things of that nature > > I hope this helps. > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> Sorry to rush - but I'm making 10 bustle gown ensembles by Easter and >> and rushing like mad - hardly even manage to fit in my computer fix >> these days! Anyways.... >> I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, >> preferably cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me >> before Easter. Can anyone recommend a supplier? We need them to go >> with >> the ballgowns - but a few of our dancers are also playing instruments >> when they're not dancing - so I though fingerless would be best. Also, >> to the elbow. >> Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace >> parasols? I've found a supplier in Hong Kong but they require an order >> of $500 minimum- too much for us. >> Thanks ever so much, Aylwen >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Earthly Delights ~ music, dance & costumes >> http://www.earthlydelights.com.au >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 13 23:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E4iQOW021218 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:44:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E4hiZj029929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E4hfDr080119; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E4heFl080078 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82C037E52 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:43:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p220.socket.net [64.85.216.222]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C5E2D4AF for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:43:36 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:43:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313195809.014ba658@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Note that the Anne Boleyn picture is backwards. Jane Seymour's dress doesn't look like it fits her real well. De -----Original Message----- I have put the photos from The Six Wives on my fotopic site, under "The Six Wives" collection. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c461806.html The photos are official BBC issue, done at the time for publicity. I wish someone had straightened the fronts of the dresses before they took them!! Note the lave sprayed on to imitate brocade. Also the collar of state on Keith Michell - the belt buckles and odds and ends glued on to look like jewellery. The sole designer was John Bloomfield, the maker of the wives' costumes, all of them, was Jean Hunnisett, who was employed by the BBC and worked, as far as I can remember, from home. I think there are some photos of her garden full of costumes, but I cannot find them right now. The patterns for some of these dresses can, of course, be found in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800". (Published by Players Press). Any more questions - I'll be happy to answer if I can. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 00:17:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E5HdsX021480 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E5H5Zj002739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E5GxZE001830; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E5GuBI001721 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:16:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050314051651.OUYP19687.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:16:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c52855$c5007580$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9896E728-9418-11D9-9293-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:22:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You may want to checkout ebay for these items the prices are good. Brin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Sorry to rush - but I'm making 10 bustle gown ensembles by Easter and and rushing like mad - hardly even manage to fit in my computer fix these days! Anyways.... I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, preferably cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me before Easter. Can anyone recommend a supplier? We need them to go with the ballgowns - but a few of our dancers are also playing instruments when they're not dancing - so I though fingerless would be best. Also, to the elbow. Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace parasols? I've found a supplier in Hong Kong but they require an order of $500 minimum- too much for us. Thanks ever so much, Aylwen ---------------------------------------------- Earthly Delights ~ music, dance & costumes http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ---------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 00:42:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E5fxhp021596 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:41:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E5f6Zj004552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E5f0GO016424; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E5essW016287 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-57-74.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.57.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2E5eZxR017519 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:40:39 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c52858$00dddbe0$4a39d9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CD918@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> <4230D9F8.1080205@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hoop storage? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:40:57 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do something similar but I use two ribbons (in case it became distorted by hanging from just one point) I tie the ribbons into circles loop one end over the hook of a coat-hanger then I pass it through the middle of the hoops and loop the other end over the hook. Does that make sense? Elizabeth > Actually I collapse (so it is just concentric circles) mine and tie a > cord around it and hang them in the closet at the end of the rod > against a wall. But another way which is period and is good for tot'n > is to make a round bag! > > Sg > > sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > > >What do people do to store their hoops (the Elizabethan/Victorian bell > >version, in specific)? Once upon a time I had instructions for how to > >twist mine up to fold it, but after ~10 years of doing so, my hoop is > >now rather lop-sided (but not in a useful elliptical way...sigh). > > > >Since I'm being fuzzy brained and can't decide what kind of hoop to use > >with my newest project, I just acquired 2 more, but I need to figure out > >a way to store them that will 1) fit in my apartment and 2) not distort > >the hoops. What go the good people on this list do? > > Thanks!! > > -sunny > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 01:01:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E610jD021730 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:01:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E60GZj006005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:00:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E60CI3028096; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.austarmetro.com.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E607Q1028034 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:00:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-57-74.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.57.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.austarmetro.com.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2E603hY019360 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:00:04 +1100 Message-ID: <003901c5285a$b75fbe40$4a39d9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c52736$0e302280$686453d8@Kass> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:57:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kass McGann" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century 'bum roll' > Elizabeth, > > You could certainly ignore this 'bumroll' thing altogether. Many 18th > century gowns were worn with multiple petticotes for fullness, but no > bumrolls at all. I honestly couldn't tell you if the 'bumroll' is a > modern costumer's idea or if they really wore them in the 18th century. > I'm going to have to track down that "cork" reference now and see where > it comes from! Panniers (side hoops) and round hoops, definitely. But > I can't think of a period picture of a bumroll, and we have a lot of > period pictures of everything else a woman wore under her gown. I'm pretty sure I have seen period pictures of bumrolls for the regency period, but I really haven't looked at 1780ish fashions until very recently. I've often thought the 16th century costumers bumroll was based on the Regency caricatures, the shape used is certainly more like the early 19th century version than the late 16th century wheel shaped one. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 01:03:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E639VK021742 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E62XZj006158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:02:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E62V75029524; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav11.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E62SbS029432 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:02:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.30.98.113 by BAY7-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:02:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.30.98.113] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Book review? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:02:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:02:23 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 06:02:23.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[640EE580:01C5285B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2E639VK021742 Status: RO A link from there led me to this, which is new to me. Anyone have any comments about it? Clothes of the Medieval World by Vincent Douglas http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0872266699/ --robin This is designed to be a children's book. I carry it from time to time. I haven't looked at it lately, but I recall it as being moderately accurate. Mostly, it is a nice collection of color drawings in one place that covers most of the SCA period and is therefore useful for demos and utter newbies. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 02:39:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E7d3HA000495 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:39:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E7aRZj012763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:36:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E7aBM0084939; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:36:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2E7a3Hn084677 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 07:35:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314073120.014bad40@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:34:23 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050313195809.014ba658@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:43 13/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Note that the Anne Boleyn picture is backwards. >Jane Seymour's dress doesn't look like it fits her real well. The Anne Boleyn picture is as issued - evidently turned around by the printing. Like I said, I wish someone had straightened out the clothes before they took the photos. All the dresses look as though they could do with a good tug down at the waist - something a good dresser would have fixed! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 04:59:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2E9xVsK005670 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:59:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2E9wdZj001301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:58:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E9wVJp069049; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:58:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2E9wTuc069032 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:58:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A90439236 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:58:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p226.socket.net [64.85.214.228]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41FFDD3F0 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:58:28 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:58:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <157.4c0d85d9.2f5ef7d9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You would probably be wanting either a underdress/shift with sleeves and apron dress over it and a simple coif or two tunic dresses with the outer one short/calf length and the sleeves would not be flared but straight and a veil. For some reason I am vaguely remembering this last outfit as a Norman style and not Anglos or Saxon. Arian -----Original Message----- My daughter is to play a Saxon peasant in a school production of the Norman invasion for her 5th grade social studies class. This is not my period and I have not been able to find any online pix or references for what would be appropriate for her to wear as a Saxon peasantwoman (plenty of knights & nobles, tho). Obviously we don't need to go over the top here, but where can I find some references with pix so I know remotely how to dress her? The teacher says to just "cut holes for arms & head in a sheet & sew up the sides & put a dark vest on over it," but that chills my historic sensibilities to the bone. Are there any articles in her 18c wardrobe that could be adapted? She has her plain white linen shift & brown wool underpetticoat, a grey-blue lightweight wool outer petticoat (double-ties wrap around waist), a red & white resist print shortgown (probably won't work!), a choice of either her blue & white striped apron, or a plain white apron. I have time to make other articles and a proper cap if I could find what one looks like --or would it be a headcloth of some sort? Floundering, Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 05:28:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EASbvj010373 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:28:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EARwZj005593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EARsV7086372; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EARTle086123 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78982 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 10:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20050314102713.78980.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:27:13 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:27:13 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello I am looking for advice from anyone who has made a male 'cavalier' style costume of around 1630. While authenticity may not be terribly important in this, it has to look great. I'm happy to scale up patterns if there are good ones in books - e.g. does Hunisett have something appropriate? I suppose I would even consider a pattern by the 'big 3' if it works :-) Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be v. greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Katherine Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 05:54:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EAsWtY020920 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:54:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EArxZj007294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:53:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EArsGI001907; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EArlMR001775 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 10:53:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:53:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume In-Reply-To: <20050314102713.78980.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:27 14/03/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hello > >I am looking for advice from anyone who has made a >male 'cavalier' style costume of around 1630. While >authenticity may not be terribly important in this, it >has to look great. I'm happy to scale up patterns if >there are good ones in books - e.g. does Hunisett have >something appropriate? I suppose I would even consider >a pattern by the 'big 3' if it works :-) > >Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be >v. greatly appreciated! As I don't use commercial patterns I cannot help with any suggestions in that direction. However, you can look at "Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh for early clothes. Also Arnold has a doublet in her 1560-1620 book (and should have more when the last books get published - whenever!) You can also look at "Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume, Cut and Fashion" by R.I. Davis (Players Press). I think it is not as good as Waugh, but do look. There are no real cutting or making instructions however. Some of the later patterns don't always work well - the ones I've tried anyway. Ron was a tailor working for the theatrical costume house Angel's, so some of his costumes may be a bit theatrical - I haven't tried many of them, as I rely on Waugh!! The picture shows a costume made from Waugh patterns http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=charles_i.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 06:23:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EBNa79024029 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EBMmZj009036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EBMean018588; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:22:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EBMbZT018209 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:22:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2EBM1d19569.; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:22:01 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:22:01 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:21:43 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] quiet list! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2EBMbZT018209 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> audreybmorin2@hotmail.com 13/03/2005 20:59:54 >>> >> Or how about would be the one costume type/time period that you have never >> done but really want to do? >I want to do the dress Joséphine wears on the huge Napoleon coronation >painting. Or any of her most "official" dresses. I too would love an excuse to make a Regency gown - I adore the fashions of that era. (Like others, I only received a few messages last week, but on returning to my computer this morning found hundreds!) Kate Bunting Librarian & 17c reenactor ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 07:13:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ECDFL9024583 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:13:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ECCcZj012274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ECCSPU048342; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ECC9WD048134 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF8FB750130; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:11:59 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 14 Mar 05 12:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <005001c5288f$39885ec0$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9896E728-9418-11D9-9293-000393B11100@earthlydelights.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:13:23 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just do a Google on gloves or formal gloves!! I needed black opera gloves last week and found many many sites who were offering the goods at a wide range of costs. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] More help needed - this time gloves! > Sorry to rush - but I'm making 10 bustle gown ensembles by Easter and > and rushing like mad - hardly even manage to fit in my computer fix > these days! Anyways.... > I'm urgently looking for black or white long fingerless gloves, > preferably cotton, preferably low cost and able to be delivered to me > before Easter. Can anyone recommend a supplier? We need them to go with > the ballgowns - but a few of our dancers are also playing instruments > when they're not dancing - so I though fingerless would be best. Also, > to the elbow. > Also, does anyone know of a wholesale distributer of battenberg lace > parasols? I've found a supplier in Hong Kong but they require an order > of $500 minimum- too much for us. > Thanks ever so much, Aylwen > > ---------------------------------------------- > Earthly Delights ~ music, dance & costumes > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > ---------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 08:29:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EDTPMq025556 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:29:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EDSOZj024631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDSHRa005888; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDS9Gw005803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-98.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.98] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DApc1-00073n-Fb for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:28:02 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:28:03 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <003901c52899$a8f59020$626453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503131901.j2DJ1JaN073669@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Pirate reenactment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well, Fran, it's rather new as far as I can tell. But the Pirate Brethren email list is currently the most active list I'm on and all we've been doing lately is talking about clothing -- did pirates really wear headscarves, how often were sleeveless waistcoats worn, etc. It's new, but it's growing fast. The biggest group of people who join us are Rev War reenactors who are just tired of all the drilling they have to do in the sun at events. Some of our members still do Rev War and much of the men's clothing isn't too different. As Carol mentioned in another post, the Kalmar Nyckel is rentable and we actually did so for a four hour bay cruise last October to celebrate the 40th birthdays of a number of our members. Unfortunately we didn't get enough pre-registration in time and didn't end up going. But there are smaller ships one can hire for a day cruise. Regarding professional crews, these boats are all crewed professionally, but many of our group have taken training on the ships and have been volunteers on their crews. Also a goodly number of our group are experienced small-craft sailors in the modern world. So you don't have to worry about us being a bunch of "lubbers". ;) But pirate reenactment isn't just about being on the water. It's about the whole period that we call "The Golden Age of Piracy" -- 1680s-1720s. At many of our events, we portray how pirates would have acted in port (or how the people in port would have interacted with them). I myself do not portray a pirate but a Procuress in Covent Garden in London, renting my "seamstresses' services" to those who can afford them. =) I hope that clarifies things a little more. Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com But how much of that is there really? Or do people mostly do the tavern/beach scenarios? Are you involved in them? I haven't seen pirate reenactment discussed much in costuming egroups. As someone said, I've seen the polypirates but have not thought of them as a large reenactment movement. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 08:33:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EDXawE025601 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EDWuZj024950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDWuhP008999; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDVGsI007924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-98.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.98] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DApf2-000780-Hy for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:31:09 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:31:11 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <003a01c5289a$187e9270$626453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503131727.j2DHQCtI017381@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:10 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century bum rolls To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I am sorry that i dissapoint you here, but there are many evidents that they existed >>>> I was gonna say all that. >>>> Sorry, Bjarne and AlbertCat. None of those references proves to me that the 18th century bumrolls looked like those crescent- or sausage-shaped bumrolls worn in the early 17th century. I know they used the word "Bum" or "false rump" or "cork bum", but I still don't see any evidence of the bumrolls being the sausage shape. That does make the wrong shape for wear under a polonaise. >>>> And the bum rolls are not necessarily for a Polonaise but for the silhouette that came up right after that. >>>> Now THAT I agree with! Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 08:42:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EDgA85025669 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EDfUZj025603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDfR9W014588; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EDfPC7014558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-98.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.98] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DApor-0007Mu-Hm for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:18 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:20 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <003b01c5289b$837a27f0$626453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503141329.j2EDSba3006179@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: French 1630s male costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Katherine, May I be of assistance? Look here: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/cavalier.html Everything but the Soldier's Coat (RH110) is appropriate for the 1630s in England and France. Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:27:13 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20050314102713.78980.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello I am looking for advice from anyone who has made a male 'cavalier' style costume of around 1630. While authenticity may not be terribly important in this, it has to look great. I'm happy to scale up patterns if there are good ones in books - e.g. does Hunisett have something appropriate? I suppose I would even consider a pattern by the 'big 3' if it works :-) Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be v. greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Katherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 10:12:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EFCh2c026379 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EFBoZj003270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EFBfRX081722; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EFBelb081608 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76151 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 15:11:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20050314151134.76149.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:11:34 PST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503121725.j2CHOAhJ069000@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 14 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:45:18 -0500 From: david webb Subject: Re: [h-cost] dress styles in 18th century-Brunswick image To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <4.3.0.20050301221838.00adff00@pop.vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed On page 175 of Stella Tillyard's "Aristocrats: the illustrated companion to the television series" there is a reproduction of a painting of Lady Mary Fox in a grey/blue? Brunswick c. 1767. The 18th century version of the "hoodie"! Self-fabric trimming is as equally elaborate as in the other styles of the period, such as the sack. I can't see this variation ever becoming popular at North American reenactments when most events take place in the summer when the average temperature is over 90 F. or 30 C. It's high-necked - higher than the version in Bjarne's picture - up to the base of the throat - so the wearer couldn't show off "the girls", which appears to be a preoccupation with many ladies. The painting definitely shows the line of the top of stays underneath, though. The costumes for the series seem mediocre and lots of the factoids are wrong, but some excellent images in the book if you find it in the remainder bin. Sheridan Alder At 10:08 AM 2/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. >Here are two examples of different dresses. The first is a Brunnswick >dress. Some people claim that a Brunswick only is a jacket, but it is a >dress also. This type was very popular in Denmark and Germany, perhaps >because it would have ben very nice warm for winter use.Next looks like a >francaise dress, but i dont believe it has any pleats in the back. I think >it would have a pointed v in the back of the bodice. >Other types are: >Bodice and skirt in many variations, included paniers. >Round Gown, wich looks like a bodice and skirt, but it is a 1 piece garment. >Piemontaise wich is a dress that looks like a francaise dress, only the >pleats in the back hangs free. >Mantua and skirt. >One type also is a seperate skirt and a bodice with tabs wich rest on the >skirt edge. Tabs are not boned, but soft. >Closed with a stomacher. >But i think why people think there are very few types, are that only few >are reproduced. People love the pleats in a francaise dress and makes it >frequently. >One thing i was very dissapointed with was the film Aristocrats where >nearly every dress in the start was a francaise dress. > >Here are the examples: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pusling1.htm > > >Bjarne > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume This is Mia in Charlotte Actually, I'm going to TRY to reproduce ( or use it as inspiration) That dress from the picture. There is something about the red sripped ribbons that turns me on. Will let you know how it turns out. and Try to post a picture The only other Brunswick I know of in the colonies is a reproduction in the dressmakers shop in Williamsburg (that one is a black or dark blue checked silk taffeta (it looks like). I am in the south, where the research is not so cutting edge as up in the north. I do need some suggestions about that butterfly-ish pinner-ish cap she is wearing. Bjarne, andy suggestions as to shape and size? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thanks, Mari Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 10:49:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EFnn3Q026723 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:49:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EFn8Zj008408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:49:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EFn3ES015359; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com (web41904.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EFn1SQ015227 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6012 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 15:48:53 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 10:56:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EFueiv026785 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EFu1Zj009198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EFtwYC021549; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:55:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f19.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EFtvpH021440 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:55:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms_lindy39@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:55:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 208.25.60.191 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:55:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.25.60.191] X-Originating-Email: [ms_lindy39@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ms_lindy39@hotmail.com From: "N n" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:55:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 15:55:51.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC80F30:01C528AE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoop Skirt Problems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am still in the process of making the Civil War Ballgown and am having some problems. Should the pleats fold from the center front to the back? Or from the back towards the front? It's hard to tell in the picture and I don't seem to have good luck with pleats.Also I would like to know what type of hoop I should get? I have one that is 4 boned but I started the dress in bridal satin so of course yes it is heavy, so should I find a differrent hoop? Or maybe find a light weight wire to send through the hoop?I am not sure which hoop was used in the picture they took for the front of the pattern. And if you know where I might buy one I would do that as soon as possible. Where could I get the same type of (posies) flowers that you used on the pleats at the bottom of the overskirt? Are the posies silk flowers or? I hope that this turns out. It looks good so far. I am a little short so the hem will be interesting but without the right hoop I am sure to have a few problems with it. If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. Time is running out. I still have a lot to do, but I am sure that it will all come together. Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 11:09:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EG9RX9026902 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EG8rZj011137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EG8jrc033590; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:08:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EG8hSt033558 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:08:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAs7R-0002ZG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:08:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4235B72A.6020403@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:09:14 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan References: <20050314154853.6010.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050314154853.6010.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Questions like? Here are some notes on the one I made recently... http://www.saragrace.net/3E_3_QEW_Artwork.html Back up and talk a look at the rest of the diary...maybe some of the "articles" on construction will help and then if you have further questions....ask away! Sg Lady Satine wrote: >Does anyone know much about elizabethan costuming I, really want to make her pelican dress. These will be a while in the making I will be doing them from skin out.... but I do have some questions about this dress before I start... > >Thanks in advance. > >Satine > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 11:25:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EGPtLf027064 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:25:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EGP4Zj013117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EGOvc5049190; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:24:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EGOsjv049141 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-18353); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:24:54 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:24:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050314082312.00d98c00@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:24:52 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan In-Reply-To: <20050314154853.6010.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Satine, There are many on this list that are expert in Elizabethan-era clothing. Do you have specific questions? Joan At 07:48 AM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone know much about elizabethan costuming I, really want to make >her pelican dress. These will be a while in the making I will be doing >them from skin out.... but I do have some questions about this dress >before I start... > >Thanks in advance. > >Satine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 11:52:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EGqaUf027315 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:52:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EGpFZj016707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EGp7T8075271; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:51:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EGp4Eg075102 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:51:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id CE75F138730; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust233.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.233]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C96D413858C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <021401c528b6$2050c3d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050313033851.CF33B15CA2@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern software question Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:51:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan M." > Does anyone here use Dress Shop or Pattern Master by Wild Ginger? I am > thinking of getting one of the software packages to save altering patterns > and the headache it is for me, but am wondering if anyone can help me > compare them, or has experience with them. You can reply off list if you > wish. Thanks. > -Megan Could someone reply ON-list as well? I'd be interested, and surely I can't be the only one! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 11:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EGu5Fc027348 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EGtBZj017184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EGt9DM079005; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2EGshdV078556 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33526 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2005 16:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20050314165437.33524.qmail@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:54:37 PST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503131205.j2DC4dTw004163@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 166 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Message: 15 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:04:37 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" Subject: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment To: Message-ID: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sure. I am involved in Pirate reenactment. It is the reenactment of the Golden Age of Piracy (1680s-1720s). Mostly we're a group of Rev War reenactors who are also into period seamanship. So one day when we were sick of drilling in the sun in July, we decided we'd rather be lawless criminals. And the Pirate Brethren were born. We kitted ourselves out in late 17th/18th century clothing and accoutrements, and we do events where we talk about what real pirates were like in the Golden Age of Piracy (I think, actually, that we've forbidden the word "Arrrrgh" from our vocabulary!). We do a variety of evening in the Mid-Atlantic states, everything from living history timelines to Renaissance Faires. Here's a link to my group: http://www.piratebrethren.com/ I found out this year that Pirate Reenactment is so popular throughout the country (even in land-locked states!) that this autumn I am planning on producing a line of patterns for the Golden Age of Piracy for men and women. I also volunteer at Pennsbury Manor http://pennsbury.org and their constant complaint is that there is no source of clothing for the turn of the 18th century. So I will be producing patterns later in the year to fill this need. Bet you didn't know there was such a big Pirate contingency, Fran, other than the "poly pirates" who run around the Ren Faires and say "Arrrgh" a lot. ;) Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:01:16 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Subject: [h-cost] Pirate Reenactment To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <42333C7C.8070502@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Does anyone on this list costume for "pirate reenactment" and if so what is it? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com This Mia in Charlotte, NC again. Funny you should mention Pirates. HM 64th of foot was just invited this weekend to a piratin' festivat in Goergetown, SC. I have no other information than that it will be the end of June, the same weekend as Williamsburg's Under the Redcoat, June 24-26. the 64th goes to the UTR event (they pay us) so the Pirating in SC event is right out for us. I will send more information if I hear anything. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yours was exactly the research I was looking for! So wonderful!!! Respectfully, Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 12:36:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EHalR9027740 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EHX9ax022905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EH7tkj091886; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EH7qLw091766 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8112A3C326 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:10:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4235C51A.8060805@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:08:42 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > The picture shows a costume made from Waugh patterns > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=charles_i.jpg > Mmmmn, yummy! It's been ages since I touched this period, and I used the Holkeboer book... 'Patterns for Theatrical Costume' I think it was, since it was about the only thing in print at the time. I had good looking results. Wish I had pictures. >Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be >v. greatly appreciated! I can't think of anything specific to this outfit, just the usual warnings to make sure your layers breathe. I remember that it was the trimming that really made the outfit, I spent a fortune (to me at the time) on 'gold'-wrapped 'pearl' buttons and gold braid and moire ribbons. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 13:46:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EIkE9m028463 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:46:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EIifZj002028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EIiEPJ088662; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.46.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EIiA0f088309 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35375319522 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4235DB6F.8030708@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:59 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 16th century painting References: <423179A3.8020405@kabelfoon.nl> <42319711.6000201@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42319711.6000201@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks for the reply. I have been asked to recreate this dress. Actually 12 of them.. They won't be historical accurate because they want modern fit and no corsets. I think the 16th century sheakspeare in love dress pattern from Simplicity will do. I am thinking of making different type of sleeves than the ones in the painting. I find these a bit weird for this type of dress and difficult to make. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg Wicked Frau wrote: > You are not going to believe this, but I just wrote an inquiry to the > Chatsworth house where this painting lives. The reply is attached. I > have been given permission to have a better black and white picture > and may be ordering the transparency. (In a later note, "They" > decided to not sell me a slide.). If you want to go in on the > transparency, contact me off list. ;} > > Sg > > Dear Saragrace Knauf, > > Thank you for your email. > > The painting is no longer thought to be of Mary Queen of Scots after a > pectoral cross that had been overpainted onto the original painting > was removed in a 1950s cleaning. There is little doubt that the > painting had been altered in order to sell it to a former owner as > Mary Queen of Scots. It is now attributed to Alonso Sanchez Coello > (1531/2-1588)? > Please can you tell me why you want a 35mm slide? These are usually > only spplied for lecturing purposes. If you are wishing to reproduce > the image in a publication I can hire you a 5 x 4" colour transparency > for a three month period at £35 (+VAT). In addition there is a > reproduction fee dependant on usage. > Regarding a listing of the paintings at Chatswowrth, you can apply for > a list of Pictures from the Photo Survey Dept. of the Courtauld > Institute of Art, the Strand, London. We also sell a list of paintings > which hang on the public route of the house. > > My colleague, Charles Noble, Keeper of the Collection, > (collection@chatsworth.org) would like you to contact him if you have > comments to make about the dress shown in the portrait. Is it Spanish, > for instance, or can it be tied to a specific nationality? > I look forward to hearing from you in due course. > > Yours sincerely, > > Diane Naylor > > > -------------------------- > Diane P. Naylor (Mrs) > Photo Librarian > Chatsworth > Bakewell > Derbyshire DE45 1PP > Tel: +44 (0)1246 565300 > Fax: +44 (0)1246 565318 > > > http://www.chatsworth.org > The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and therefore the Trustees of the Chatsworth Settlement cannot accept > legal or contractual responsibility for its content. > > This message, and any attachments with it, are confidential. If you > have received this message in error, please notify the sender and > destroy your copies of the message and any attachments. > > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've got a black and white picture of a dress and I would like to see >> it in colour and to have some more information of it. >> Is there anyone who knows more about this painting? >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 14:48:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EJmPx3028997 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:48:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EJlCZj009252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EJkx6m052068; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:46:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EJkvwB051977 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id u.7e.654cecec (15864) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-3df84235ea2117e; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:46:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:46:41 -0500 From: TeaRoseS@aol.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20BADC74.01CDF285.0081E352@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 216.23.116.42 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flemish cap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all-- I was wondering if anyone knew of a pattern or even a source for buying any of the roundish caps one sees on peasants in Breughel paintings. I'm making a 16th-century Flemish peasant costume for my husband, but the only hats that seem to be available, even in pattern form, are flat caps or cavalier hats. I suppose a flat cap will do, but I'd rather make one of the more rounded ones. I can draw my own patterns for most things, but I've never made a full-sized hat before (only doll hats, and then none with the rounded crown like these caps have). Thanks for any help you can offer. --Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 17:23:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EMN8Km030557 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EMKRZj027929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EMKA28000726; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:20:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EMK7cY000607 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:20:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.53.2359690c (4004) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <53.2359690c.2f676810@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:20:00 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you so much to all who responded both on and off - list. We will be working on this for another couple of weeks so if anyone has anymore to add, I will be happy to receive it. Plus, I understand this will be a yearly event --some of the kids will be Saxon, some Norman, so any Norman info may be applicable next year. Send it on! Thanks again, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 17:29:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2EMTn6W030611 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2EMSvZj028835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:28:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EMSr2V009228; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav7.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EMSntt009070 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:28:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:28:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:29:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 22:28:44.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E58CAC0:01C528E5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > or two tunic dresses with the outer > one short/calf length Not sure about that, I'm still wondering if it isn't an invention by our dear Victorian-era friends. In any case, if you go for the shorter outer dress, make sure you have a coloured underdress under it. You're not supposed to see the white linen underdress. > and the sleeves would not be flared but straight But not tight. > and a > veil. Yes, but a child could easily go without. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 19:07:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F06xkJ031505 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2F04gZj009769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:04:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F04YbI097754; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F04XDe097740 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DAzY1-0006HH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:04:33 -0800 Message-ID: <423626B7.70406@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:05:11 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish cap References: <20BADC74.01CDF285.0081E352@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20BADC74.01CDF285.0081E352@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Can you knit? I've seen some which are knit and then felted.... TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: >Hi all-- > >I was wondering if anyone knew of a pattern or even a source for buying any of the roundish caps one sees on peasants in Breughel paintings. I'm making a 16th-century Flemish peasant costume for my husband, but the only hats that seem to be available, even in pattern form, are flat caps or cavalier hats. I suppose a flat cap will do, but I'd rather make one of the more rounded ones. I can draw my own patterns for most things, but I've never made a full-sized hat before (only doll hats, and then none with the rounded crown like these caps have). > >Thanks for any help you can offer. > >--Tea Rose >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 19:59:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F0xkMm000662 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:59:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2F0xBZj014808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F0x5Ht040559; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F0x16E040481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:59:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.184] (@acty1184.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.184]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2F0wvUU007579 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:58:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4236334F.70904@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:58:55 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Pirate Reenactment References: <000b01c527c4$d67c22a0$796453d8@Kass> <42346AC7.2010701@lavoltapress.com><49401.64.156.242.52.1110733185.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <4234748A.6030609@lavoltapress.com> <49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <49417.64.156.242.52.1110734763.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2F0x16E040481 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > One I know of specifically is the Kalmar Nyckel, which is owned (was >commisioned to be built) by the State of Delaware. They have used it >for the Howard Pyle festival, although I don't know how much the >pirate reenactors got to play on it. > > >We used the boat as a staging area. The guys (pirate types) rowed ashore from it and we (the colonial militia/Maritime Regt.)met them and clashed with them on the beach. Of course, since it was the Howard Pyle Pirate festival, we were the bad guys and got our butts kicked. Fortunately, I (the Ships Surgeon) got to work on the remains strewn all over the beach...One of the other nice things is that the historical ships (Kalmar, Half Moon, Maryland Dove) usually have training/volunteer programs that allow folks to work with the crew. The Dove and the Half Moon have much better clothing (historical) for their crew, which is a real shame, since, a few years back, I gave the Kalmar info about the clothing found aboard the Vasa to help outfit the crew. The captain, bless him, still wears a red headscarf and a renfaire black suede vest (at least he did when I last saw him...) Arrrrg! Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 14 23:38:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F4ctuC004596 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:38:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2F4brZj000232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F4bZEb094408; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F4bPcU094216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:37:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F5om3o017023 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:50:48 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish cap Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:37:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20BADC74.01CDF285.0081E352@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20BADC74.01CDF285.0081E352@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503142337.19425.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 14 March 2005 2:46 pm, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > Hi all-- > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a pattern or even a source for buying any > of the roundish caps one sees on peasants in Breughel paintings. I'm making > a 16th-century Flemish peasant costume for my husband, but the only hats > that seem to be available, even in pattern form, are flat caps or cavalier > hats. I suppose a flat cap will do, but I'd rather make one of the more > rounded ones. I can draw my own patterns for most things, but I've never > made a full-sized hat before (only doll hats, and then none with the > rounded crown like these caps have). You mean, for men. I'm not sure which shape you mean, but have you checked out this site? http://rameset.com/hats-garb.htm They are fairly inexpensive and have a fair range of Renaissance style hats. Maybe one of them will be a good enough match for what you're looking for. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ....a _pantograph_to copy and enlarge the patterns out of Hunniset or Holekeboers books? Was it successful? I know they all show you griding, but some of us are "grid impared" and I thought perhaps this little ancient machine could be utilized for my needs. If you've ever use one for this purpose,could you please tell me how well it worked and if you had any problems with the idea. Also what size you used ,as they come in 13' to 24". thanks, Melody __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wjbXYKiDmvSJuZJQn8u9fQgp9bmlncu+lFgTCd2nNCbWdWRYIOcwCcU5/urkdVxUABf2/OkEJc/TQOrJSOY0z7DMvGF57+eC01JaYc8wgGmTG6nU5XIdO2BYXpPVhi6253P4TWLMr3xOjpObMj2EMjI6VUSpcAICvxdgEJ5wwqs= ; Message-ID: <20050315055335.81317.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.130] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:53:35 PST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:53:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Joan, I am new to elizabethan clothing, To be honest I have heard way too many horror stories of elizabethan and sewing machine fights to try it until now. I donot nkow where to begin my research. I am in love with the Style of the Pelican dress... and all that beadwork and Those pearls... I am just plain lost as to where to beging this dress. Ideally I would like to have the complete outfit. from undergarments to headpiece. ( I have a huge Pearled Fleur dy lis pendant my mother gave me as a wedding present, instead of the Pelican for I am not a peer and do NOT wish to offend anyone...Any suggestions on how to start or what to start with as a begingin woudl be greatly appreciated. I appreciate everyones time and patience and understanding with me. I would love to see Dress diaries if anyone has them and pictures of completed Pieces, Thank you again Satine Joan Jurancich wrote: Satine, There are many on this list that are expert in Elizabethan-era clothing. Do you have specific questions? Joan At 07:48 AM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone know much about elizabethan costuming I, really want to make >her pelican dress. These will be a while in the making I will be doing >them from skin out.... but I do have some questions about this dress >before I start... > >Thanks in advance. > >Satine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 03:28:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F8S82U002213 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:28:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2F8M8Zj013825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F8M0S8041814; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F8LuI8041612 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3856BE6E1 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:21:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42369B15.50407@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:21:41 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan References: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Always start from the inside out. Fhirst make the chemise, than a corset. I love the corset in Janet Arnolds patterns of fashion. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/16thcent_dress/16thcent_dress.html I made it from linnen and reads as boning. Than a hoopskirt. Make it attachable to the corset. I find that very comfortable. And it has to end about 6 inches above the ground. Than you won't trip over it and the skirts will still ly nice over it. Than the parlet. I am not sure if the sleeaves are attached to the parlet or to the chemise sinse they have the same embroidery. Than underskirt and dress. The hanging parts look like they are what fhirst open hanging sleeves were but now are only strips of decoration hanhing from armhole. The most important thing is, take your time! Don't rush it the firsth time. Make the dress fhirst in cheap fabric. Then wear it to an event and see how it feels and looks while wearing it. That helped me a lot to get some of the not so nice parts out of the pattern. Good luck with making it. Lady Satine wrote: >Questions like as one is looking at the pelican portrait.. is she waring a bracelet on her upper arn te eright arm it looks like a piece of jewelry she does not appear to have on on the upper arm that I can tell., and waht is that thing hanging down behind her right arm it appeard to have a matching one over her left forearm. (I have issues with my compuuter, I was not able to bookmark the main site. Please send me the link so I can look at previous posts and do some research to possibly Thansk a million.... > >Satine. >Ps I really like your site very informative Thank you ! > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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I am >> thinking of getting one of the software packages to save altering >> patterns >> and the headache it is for me, but am wondering if anyone can help me >> compare them, or has experience with them. You can reply off list if you >> wish. Thanks. >> -Megan > > > Could someone reply ON-list as well? I'd be interested, and surely I can't > be the only one! > > -E House You're not! I am interested as well. 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PINGEBAT 1536/ Acquisition Lee of Fareham, Arthur Hamilton (1st Viscount); bequest; 1947 P.1947.LF.246 Copyright: © Courtauld Institute of Art Gallery, London The site this comes from is http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/ I did a search on Paintings from 1500-1600. Several in there I had not seen. Susan Farmer wrote: >>Can you tell I am on vacation this morning? >> >> >> >>>http://www.6URL.com/DVH >>> >>> >>> > >Cool! Is there any information on painter, subject, and school? > >thanks, >Jerusha > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 11:47:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FGkxd3007514 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:46:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FGjuZj001656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FGjj7M096691; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:45:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from leopard.mail.utk.edu (leopard.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FGjgvI096606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by leopard.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FGtsib020570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:55:54 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:45:41 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Message-ID: <424730E4@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. 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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:58:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <42370022.8010505@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-SINECTIS-Metrics: net.indra.com 1114; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Smile! um okay, Sneer! :) De -----Original Message----- Can you tell I am on vacation this morning? > > http://www.6URL.com/DVH > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 14:12:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FJCjZA008818 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:12:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FJ97cV016473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FIc1kA012686; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1a.socket.net [216.106.88.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FIbwuD012638 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDE137CCC for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:37:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p403.socket.net [64.85.215.149]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55E6BD3FF for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:37:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:38:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050315055335.81317.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html These two sites have patterns for undergarments and the former has an accessories pattern and gown pattern. Both these women have done their research. First and foremost the corset MUST fit right for the outfit to fit comfort ability. DO NOT make the undergarments out of polyester or other non breathable material, especially for those is the warmer climates. Linen is number one choice followed by Linen/cotton blend and then cotton. Not everyone has access or the money to get linen. The most recommend Janet Arnold's Pattern of Fashion c.1560 -1620. De -----Original Message----- Thank you Joan, I am new to elizabethan clothing, To be honest I have heard way too many horror stories of elizabethan and sewing machine fights to try it until now. I donot nkow where to begin my research. I am in love with the Style of the Pelican dress... and all that beadwork and Those pearls... I am just plain lost as to where to beging this dress. Ideally I would like to have the complete outfit. from undergarments to headpiece. ( I have a huge Pearled Fleur dy lis pendant my mother gave me as a wedding present, instead of the Pelican for I am not a peer and do NOT wish to offend anyone...Any suggestions on how to start or what to start with as a begingin woudl be greatly appreciated. I appreciate everyones time and patience and understanding with me. I would love to see Dress diaries if anyone has them and pictures of completed Pieces, Thank you again _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 14:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FJRuHE009005 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FJRFZj018694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJRB8U059973; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJR8l9059889 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBHh3-000AOP-87; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:25:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! References: <424625ED@webmail.utk.edu> <42370B1C.2060002@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42370B1C.2060002@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com, GermanRenCostume , TheRenaissanceTailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. Jean Wicked Frau wrote >Oh, good point... > >Portrait of a lady > >1536 > >Master A.W. (16th century) > >Oil on panel > >Height: 77.1 cm; Width: 60.5 cm > >Inscription >Inscription, within image, inscribed on one of the sitter's rings: >/IHS/ >Inscription, within image, upper left: >/A.W. >PINGEBAT 1536/ > >Acquisition >Lee of Fareham, Arthur Hamilton (1st Viscount); bequest; 1947 >P.1947.LF.246 > >Copyright: © Courtauld Institute of Art Gallery, London > > > >The site this comes from is >http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/ >I did a search on Paintings from 1500-1600. Several in there I had not >seen. > >Susan Farmer wrote: > >>>Can you tell I am on vacation this morning? >>> >>> >>>>http://www.6URL.com/DVH >>>> >>>> >> >>Cool! Is there any information on painter, subject, and school? >> >>thanks, >>Jerusha >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 14:37:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FJb4xH009098 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FJaNZj019672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJZW9N068172; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJYVAn067112 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DBHo9-000BPV-8t for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:34:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:33:01 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1066 Saxon peasant References: <53.2359690c.2f676810@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <53.2359690c.2f676810@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$M2N+dFz4zNUeF4tpBlTWmc$CN>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For the classic Norman look (to distinguish from Saxon) you want to make the sleeves very wide at the cuff, skirt very flared, and add a double girdle - a long cord or woven belt, start by placing the centre at the front of the waist, take it round and cross at the back, bring back round to the front, tie low on the belly and let the ends hang almost to the floor. Do hair in two long braids if you can, with a light fluttery oval veil. Think pre-Raphaelite Camelot pictures - obviously they're romanticised, but the overall shape is fairly accurate. Jean Susannah9810@aol.com wrote >Thank you so much to all who responded both on and off - list. We will be >working on this for another couple of weeks so if anyone has anymore to >add, I >will be happy to receive it. Plus, I understand this will be a yearly event >--some of the kids will be Saxon, some Norman, so any Norman info may be >applicable next year. Send it on! > >Thanks again, >Susannah > >Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring >_www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > >"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 14:57:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FJvYuU009299 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FJthZj021726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:55:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJtQqC086756; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FJtLWN086678 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4775937740 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p403.socket.net [64.85.215.149]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C22A0D433 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:19 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Check this combo out! Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a partlet. Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going through a fogged valley. De -----Original Message----- Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 15:16:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2FKGvvb009489 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2FKGFZj024122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:16:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FKFnuB006392; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FKFKF4006002 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so2714484wra for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BNujQJzzO5VmbH4B8JV93grfndsOOpWS9sRzx3EGf71g/D0I8AT5dNG9uZrJGBA+ECtKvkaxHo8XXdsNtzgyf89mTRHDA/dTmoVWIDj9x+o/HStWvMBd01MxfP2PqYdZctKKVsAopw+evxN17ZqRp1X/znjDETyIe9LNnOhmZoc= Received: by 10.54.30.38 with SMTP id d38mr238981wrd; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05031512152764e714@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:15:14 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-DCC-sonic.net-Metrics: net.indra.com 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Germans of the time call it a gollar. LynnD On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:24 -0600, otsisto wrote: > The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. > The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a > partlet. > Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going > through a fogged valley. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate > over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. > > Jean > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 15 23:46:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2G4kIQS015532 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2G4jZZj021565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G4jETh028107; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com (web41905.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2G4jBC7028015 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52071 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2005 04:45:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4SzTVKATdPep6DLee47Z7IlQxrEvMlddGLAWbVAknRML9lT5e1nano2GM2XYscd+0qmKcbHTzZT7HFn5iPVrzhfmM2/5glJQslRvndk3rPc33bG3LXHBonEW4zx9wn4Da8wtZ2UROULcLpyYH4B40k1Goe/tFzYGTX7zdalNyMk= ; Message-ID: <20050316044505.52069.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.190] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:45:05 PST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! to everybody for your help! I have been in contact with a ldays about an hr away from me who does Elizabethan and she is wonderful to help me with the COrset so I get it right the first time. I will post updates and as more questions when they come up! Thanks again Everyone! Satine otsisto wrote: http://www.margospatterns.com/mainframe.htm http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/elizabethan.html These two sites have patterns for undergarments and the former has an accessories pattern and gown pattern. Both these women have done their research. First and foremost the corset MUST fit right for the outfit to fit comfort ability. DO NOT make the undergarments out of polyester or other non breathable material, especially for those is the warmer climates. Linen is number one choice followed by Linen/cotton blend and then cotton. Not everyone has access or the money to get linen. The most recommend Janet Arnold's Pattern of Fashion c.1560 -1620. De -----Original Message----- Thank you Joan, I am new to elizabethan clothing, To be honest I have heard way too many horror stories of elizabethan and sewing machine fights to try it until now. I donot nkow where to begin my research. I am in love with the Style of the Pelican dress... and all that beadwork and Those pearls... I am just plain lost as to where to beging this dress. Ideally I would like to have the complete outfit. from undergarments to headpiece. ( I have a huge Pearled Fleur dy lis pendant my mother gave me as a wedding present, instead of the Pelican for I am not a peer and do NOT wish to offend anyone...Any suggestions on how to start or what to start with as a begingin woudl be greatly appreciated. I appreciate everyones time and patience and understanding with me. I would love to see Dress diaries if anyone has them and pictures of completed Pieces, Thank you again _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 04:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2G97pNA018327 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:07:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2G97CZj007956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G96wHp091853; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2G96Kgx091561 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95708 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2005 09:06:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20050316090614.95706.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:06:14 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:06:14 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you all very much for the advice (and I think 'your' outfit looks fabulous Suzi!) on the Cavalier style. I am getting hold of library copies of both Waugh's Cut of Men's Clothes as well as PoF for the appropriate era, and will report back - I think the deadline on this one isn't til June and there are rather more pressing jobs in the queue, but I have to start research and scaling now :-) Thanks again, Susan/Katherine Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 04:16:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2G9GvCB020556 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2G9FUZj008331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G9FR8f097147; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G9FPn6097119 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.76] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DBUce-0006fB-DK for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:15:24 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DRVu8/GOLfxFmIyNOjc51st64ODtAWD3F7i26mHq/sX6QJJYmkfpSb42aMEahBj9; Message-ID: <033201c52a08$be7faaf0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050316090614.95706.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:15:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd482efd77d4554a0b68af6d4e93456d744589663e5c6b578e64350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.76 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's my contribution toward 1630's French costuming. I used Waugh's Cut of Mens Clothing for the initial patterns, and have studied paintings and engravings of the period extensively. I love this time and place. http://home.earthlink.net/~moreplentyn/melusinescostumes/id5.html Melusine ----- Original Message ----- From: "katherine sanders" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male > Thank you all very much for the advice (and I think > 'your' outfit looks fabulous Suzi!) on the Cavalier > style. > > I am getting hold of library copies of both Waugh's > Cut of Men's Clothes as well as PoF for the > appropriate era, and will report back - I think the > deadline on this one isn't til June and there are > rather more pressing jobs in the queue, but I have to > start research and scaling now :-) > > Thanks again, > Susan/Katherine > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:04:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GG4CIb021588 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GG3DZj022631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GG2uIA072612; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GG2onT072372 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:02:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2337C2628BC for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:02:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006201c52a41$95a3d4b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003a01c5289a$187e9270$626453d8@Kass> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:02:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Kass, Dont want to make a war here, but suit yourself Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kass McGann" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:10 EST > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century bum rolls > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > I am sorry that i dissapoint you here, but there are many evidents that > they existed >>>>> > I was gonna say all that. >>>>> > Sorry, Bjarne and AlbertCat. None of those references proves to me that > the 18th century bumrolls looked like those crescent- or sausage-shaped > bumrolls worn in the early 17th century. I know they used the word > "Bum" or "false rump" or "cork bum", but I still don't see any evidence > of the bumrolls being the sausage shape. That does make the wrong shape > for wear under a polonaise. >>>>> > And the bum rolls are not necessarily for a Polonaise but for the > silhouette that came up right after that. >>>>> > Now THAT I agree with! > > Kass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:18:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGIlOJ021676 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGIAZj024455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGI5eY087441; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGI2O7087337 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A84C347FE08 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:18:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <015b01c52a43$be1e9d60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050316090614.95706.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <033201c52a08$be7faaf0$0300a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:18:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brava Brava Brava Brave. Yuppie Yaeh This is brilliant work! I want to make this era two, sometime Bjarne I dont know if you have seen the portraits from this perios, they use many many strange shades of colours!!! Bjarne - Original Mesge ----- rom: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male > Here's my contribution toward 1630's French costuming. I used Waugh's Cut > of Mens Clothing for the initial patterns, and have studied paintings and > engravings of the period extensively. I love this time and place. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moreplentyn/melusinescostumes/id5.html > > Melusine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "katherine sanders" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:06 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male > > >> Thank you all very much for the advice (and I think >> 'your' outfit looks fabulous Suzi!) on the Cavalier >> style. >> >> I am getting hold of library copies of both Waugh's >> Cut of Men's Clothes as well as PoF for the >> appropriate era, and will report back - I think the >> deadline on this one isn't til June and there are >> rather more pressing jobs in the queue, but I have to >> start research and scaling now :-) >> >> Thanks again, >> Susan/Katherine >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:21:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGKxil021685 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:21:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGK3Zj024640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGK2KC089374; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGJxYb089108 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:20:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDG002USDCC26@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.1]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:19:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:19:23 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it just my monitor or is the bottom of the 'black thingy' look a little 'funny'? On my monitor it looks like the black item was either Photo Retouched, or it was painted on later. I know that the site wouldn't photo retouch, so it has to be my monitor. what I wouldn't do to see it in person......... Katheryne who loves this time period pics with the collarbone area covered ------Original Message ------ From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! To: Historical Costume On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:24 -0600, otsisto wrote: > The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. > The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a > partlet. > Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going through a fogged valley. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:28:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGSZW2021731 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGRoZj025565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGRlGK096628; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGRh0P096564 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 61E3F5EE033 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:27:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <017c01c52a45$17f74c00$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003a01c5289a$187e9270$626453d8@Kass> <006201c52a41$95a3d4b0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls > Dear Kass, > Dont want to make a war here, but suit yourself > > Bjarne > Ill give you some examples. Not with polonaise styles, but anglaise styles of the period. Have some very pointed bodices, widh would not have the space for several skirts under. Can you explain this? I hate people who wants to be popular with claims that are not right. included an old topic we had on this list with wheel farthingales. How would you obtain the very narrow front of a skirt in a polonaise, if you have several skirts underneathe. Sorry about my language i dont have english but danish Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:32:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGWcld021761 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGVqZj026014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:31:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGVot0000264; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGVkSC000194 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:31:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.76] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DBbQv-0000AD-8B for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:31:45 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TNC8o841UQRkiYFJEmsrGsFtiBfzQ03IZB5N4EPTFh5tK38JWAKyGiLjmvZcDcO8; Message-ID: <037401c52a45$b254f770$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050316090614.95706.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><033201c52a08$be7faaf0$0300a8c0@boris> <015b01c52a43$be1e9d60$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: French 1630s male Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:32:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48771c8146f02841958ebae5a97ef08638350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.76 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Brava Brava Brava Brave. > Yuppie Yaeh > This is brilliant work! > I want to make this era two, sometime > > Bjarne > > I dont know if you have seen the portraits from this perios, they use many > many strange shades of colours!!! > > Bjarne Oh, yes, I'm teaching a class on costuming from this era this weekend, and my slide show has over 200 images, most of them paintings. The red outfit on my webpage is almost exactly the color of red I've found in a great many paintings. The dress I'm working on right now is 2 of the rather peculiar pink shades that keep showing up....I managed to find linen in just the right shade. I've also got a dress that's wide stripes of the olive/bronze green color. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:38:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGcPtZ021799 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:38:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGbjZj026627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:37:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGb8Ps004795; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:37:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGaGVp004133 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:36:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.24.6ce3dc72 (25508) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <24.6ce3dc72.2f69ba76@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:36:06 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Society of America Annual Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear List, Just a reminder that the CSA Symposium will be in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, May 25-28, 2005. New this year is the Living History Showcase, Thursday, May 26, 5:30-7:00 p.m. Show off your latest costume project and get valuable input from fellow costume enthusiasts. CSA encourages all groups and individuals interpreting all cultures and periods to attend and share their projects in this non-juried event. Find out what other interpreters are doing and meet others with your interests. This is open to all registered participants--one-day registrations are available in addition to the whole symposium package. Save on early registration, received by April 6; regular registration closes May 11. For more general symposium information, visit _www.costumesocietyamerica.com_ (http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com) For more information on the Living History Showcase, you can email me directly at _annbwass@aol.com_ (mailto:annbwass@aol.com) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:43:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGh4dF021832 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:43:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGgHZj027367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGgFOg010255; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:42:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGdLHC007159 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.cd.242ee066 (16087) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r07 (mblk-r07.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.31]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed74238612e315; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:39:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:39:09 -0500 Message-Id: <8C6F85DCF8FE647-550-190@mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> Received: from 216.23.116.42 by mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.31) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:39:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.31 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, Cathy, that's a great hat site! I feel like I should be able to make a hat on my own, but there are two or three of these which will do the trick nicely. Now if I can just persuade my husband to actually wear the funny hat... Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, unfortunately. And if anyone's interested, I found an English site that has really inexpensive period-replica spoons. I think I'm going to order one for Jon to wear in his hat, like in two of the Brueghel paintings. The site also has replica saint's badges and jewelry, and as far as I can tell, the prices are very good. It's http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ . Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 11:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GGxfK9021971 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:59:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GGwnZj029793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:58:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGwh5x025731; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GGwW8P025498 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:58:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 16:58:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316165415.014bcd18@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:58:31 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap In-Reply-To: <8C6F85DCF8FE647-550-190@mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com> References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:39 16/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Wow, Cathy, that's a great hat site! I feel like I should be able to make >a hat on my own, but there are two or three of these which will do the >trick nicely. Now if I can just persuade my husband to actually wear the >funny hat... > >Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, >unfortunately. > >And if anyone's interested, I found an English site that has really >inexpensive period-replica spoons. I think I'm going to order one for Jon >to wear in his hat, like in two of the Brueghel paintings. The site also >has replica saint's badges and jewelry, and as far as I can tell, the >prices are very good. It's http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ . Some of the jewellery can be very heavy. Steve made jewels for a Henry Vlll I made, and they were beautiful, but being pewter they weighed down the sleeves. For replica Tudor jewellery in brass, I also recommend Anne at www.anniethepedlar.com She made jewels for my Elizabeth l figure, and medieval belt ends and coronets for some Richard lll members. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 13:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GIO5ND022665 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:24:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GINFZj010245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:23:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIN1IF008188; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIMujO008088 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4985226286F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:22:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01ca01c52a55$32f7e220$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003a01c5289a$187e9270$626453d8@Kass> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:23:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I really want to post a picture for you where a polonaise dress in the danish museum was exhibbitted without a bum roll and it really is a poor sight without it! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kass McGann" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:54:10 EST > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century bum rolls > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > I am sorry that i dissapoint you here, but there are many evidents that > they existed >>>>> > I was gonna say all that. >>>>> > Sorry, Bjarne and AlbertCat. None of those references proves to me that > the 18th century bumrolls looked like those crescent- or sausage-shaped > bumrolls worn in the early 17th century. I know they used the word > "Bum" or "false rump" or "cork bum", but I still don't see any evidence > of the bumrolls being the sausage shape. That does make the wrong shape > for wear under a polonaise. >>>>> > And the bum rolls are not necessarily for a Polonaise but for the > silhouette that came up right after that. >>>>> > Now THAT I agree with! > > Kass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 13:26:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GIQ9Zt022690 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:26:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GIPSZj010457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:25:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIPRoT010146; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIPOAq010090 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:25:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A812926283A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:25:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01dd01c52a55$8f4ca9c0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c5234a$4c0ba1f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><001201c5273e$873f5ee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42339325.10208@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern-an alternative Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:25:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked frau are you home right now? I really need a talk!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern-an alternative > Oh darn! I was about to send you congratulations on such a great deal. > But Bjarne, have you ever made a duct tape dummy? You would need help > from your honey (and a few close friends would make it go faster), but > it is such a great way to go if you need an exact replica of yourself. > > Sg > > >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 13:30:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GIU3tl022714 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:30:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GIT1Zj010748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GISTHW012662; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIQQr4010907 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 35F2347FE20 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:26:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01e301c52a55$b400b860$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c5234a$4c0ba1f0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711><001201c5273e$873f5ee0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> <42339325.10208@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern-an alternative Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:26:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This was not mentioned for the groups sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] to fit a pattern-an alternative > Oh darn! I was about to send you congratulations on such a great deal. > But Bjarne, have you ever made a duct tape dummy? You would need help > from your honey (and a few close friends would make it go faster), but > it is such a great way to go if you need an exact replica of yourself. > > Sg > > >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 13:35:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GIZRbF022764 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GIYiZj011322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GIYcKv017768; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GIYQLd017469 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 18:34:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316183217.014bcd18@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:26 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls In-Reply-To: <01ca01c52a55$32f7e220$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003a01c5289a$187e9270$626453d8@Kass> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:23 16/03/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I really want to post a picture for you where a polonaise dress in the >danish museum was exhibbitted without a bum roll and it really is a poor >sight without it! > >>And the bum rolls are not necessarily for a Polonaise but for the >>silhouette that came up right after that. >>Now THAT I agree with! But why use an all in one bum roll in the first place? I use small pocket hoops for polonaise styles, failing which I use individual hip pads. Don't know (or care!) if they are authentic - they sure look good, and are the right shape. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 14:35:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GJZGvV023249 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:35:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GJY3Zj017848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GJXifv072201; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GJXfJc072136 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2483383F9 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:33:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p023.socket.net [64.85.214.25]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 456AEC409 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:33:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Check this combo out! Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:33:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The gollar looks a little darker then the gown but that may have been because it was newer made then the gown and the artist was painting colors as he saw them. the white of the lining does create a bit of an eye oddity and makes the gollar stand out a bit. Maybe because the black dress doesn't have the sharp outline, that the contrast adds to the illusion of a last minute gollar. De -----Original Message----- Is it just my monitor or is the bottom of the 'black thingy' look a little 'funny'? On my monitor it looks like the black item was either Photo Retouched, or it was painted on later. I know that the site wouldn't photo retouch, so it has to be my monitor. what I wouldn't do to see it in person......... Katheryne who loves this time period pics with the collarbone area covered ------Original Message ------ From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! To: Historical Costume On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:55:24 -0600, otsisto wrote: > The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. > The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a > partlet. > Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going through a fogged valley. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:11:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLB3gu024047 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:11:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GL9kZj027430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GL5ZN9008768; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GL1vRp004757 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.92.22d8c818 (4184) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <92.22d8c818.2f69f60a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:50:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/16/2005 1:35:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > Don't > know (or care!) if they are authentic - they sure look good, and are the > right shape. > But they are authentic...even if you can't find a real pair or an engraving of one. Why? Because of common sense. The 1st thing that comes to mind if you want a skirt to stand out near the waist and on the hip is to stuff bulk up under it. Hoops are great if you have the skills, time and materials it takes to make them, but a stuffed shape is a no brainer solution. I find it impossible to believe that a stuffed shape, like a crescent or two "pillows" on each hip was not widely used. Indeed the commonness of such things ironically makes them perfect candidates for not surviving or being mentioned [except they are mentioned] or drawn. And a crescent shape...with some side emphasis...is desirable in a Polonaise because of that back drape. But it depends on fabric really and how much of it there is. If you have a very stiff lustring silk, a pad is more than likely not needed. But an embroidered linen, even a crisp one, might need a pad. It also depends on whether you want an artificial look or a more natural drapey look and movement. And why are we assuming everyone wears these styles the same way??????? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:11:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLBwQK024051 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLBIZj027792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLBCbc014591; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2EJFGoE020858 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so2273252wra for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MlL5/wExcL7Ze9r3X0I2rZeXQYEzyKRxjQYEskd91PduN8doHGIWC1Knwf13jZ9YIbmVUCuCzq9zBUapYaD6oP64m3UMlXipyMDAqeUvvp8piSDBp6u634PVhpTwTE5og7n1c2xewyasg95HsIrUgOYX5/A/ef8SCA68T1uvStc= Received: by 10.54.84.8 with SMTP id h8mr3727656wrb; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:14:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05031411145ed39433@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:14:55 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 16th century painting In-Reply-To: <4235DB6F.8030708@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <423179A3.8020405@kabelfoon.nl> <42319711.6000201@earthlink.net> <4235DB6F.8030708@kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2EJFGoE020858 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Deredere, The dress looks to me like a surcoat. You probably already know that. But just in case you don't I'll explain what little I know. If you know, just delete this response. Surcoats are like an overcoat or sweater in that they go over a regular dress. They don't substitute for a dress, although I know of people who wear them to avoid having to wear a corset. And I wore one when I was pregnant. The surcoat usually has a short, puffy sleeve. What I think you're seeing in your picture, whoever it is, are the sleeves of the dress she's wearing under the puffed sleeve of the surcoat. And yes, it is often referred to as a Spanish surcoat. I don't know if this information will help you. I certainly hope so. LynnD On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:43:59 +0100, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > I have been asked to recreate this dress. > Actually 12 of them.. > They won't be historical accurate because they want modern fit and no > corsets. > I think the 16th century sheakspeare in love dress pattern from > Simplicity will do. > I am thinking of making different type of sleeves than the ones in the > painting. > I find these a bit weird for this type of dress and difficult to make. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg > > Wicked Frau wrote: > > > You are not going to believe this, but I just wrote an inquiry to the > > Chatsworth house where this painting lives. The reply is attached. I > > have been given permission to have a better black and white picture > > and may be ordering the transparency. (In a later note, "They" > > decided to not sell me a slide.). If you want to go in on the > > transparency, contact me off list. ;} > > > > Sg > > > > Dear Saragrace Knauf, > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > The painting is no longer thought to be of Mary Queen of Scots after a > > pectoral cross that had been overpainted onto the original painting > > was removed in a 1950s cleaning. There is little doubt that the > > painting had been altered in order to sell it to a former owner as > > Mary Queen of Scots. It is now attributed to Alonso Sanchez Coello > > (1531/2-1588)? > > Please can you tell me why you want a 35mm slide? These are usually > > only spplied for lecturing purposes. If you are wishing to reproduce > > the image in a publication I can hire you a 5 x 4" colour transparency > > for a three month period at £35 (+VAT). In addition there is a > > reproduction fee dependant on usage. > > Regarding a listing of the paintings at Chatswowrth, you can apply for > > a list of Pictures from the Photo Survey Dept. of the Courtauld > > Institute of Art, the Strand, London. We also sell a list of paintings > > which hang on the public route of the house. > > > > My colleague, Charles Noble, Keeper of the Collection, > > (collection@chatsworth.org) would like you to contact him if you have > > comments to make about the dress shown in the portrait. Is it Spanish, > > for instance, or can it be tied to a specific nationality? > > I look forward to hearing from you in due course. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Diane Naylor > > > > > > -------------------------- > > Diane P. Naylor (Mrs) > > Photo Librarian > > Chatsworth > > Bakewell > > Derbyshire DE45 1PP > > Tel: +44 (0)1246 565300 > > Fax: +44 (0)1246 565318 > > > > > > http://www.chatsworth.org > > > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've got a black and white picture of a dress and I would like to see > >> it in colour and to have some more information of it. > >> Is there anyone who knows more about this painting? > >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Unknown.jpg > >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:24:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLOXGc024165 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:24:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLMFZj029206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:22:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLMB2P023706; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ELvtj9078434 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97B32297D for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E7E4F8 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:48 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Hoop Skirt Problems Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CDE7D@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Hoop Skirt Problems Thread-Index: AcUox6bLq4TjMQH8SwqAefm/W9QmWgAEiEbQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 21:57:47.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD76940:01C528E0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2ELvtj9078434 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am still in the process of making the Civil War Ballgown and am having > some problems. Should the pleats fold from the center front to the back? > Or > from the back towards the front? It's hard to tell in the picture and I > don't seem to have good luck with pleats. Either -- there is photo evidence of both. However, I think the dresses in Arnold and in Nora Waugh go from front to the back. > Also I would like to know what > type > of hoop I should get? I have one that is 4 boned but I started the dress > in > bridal satin so of course yes it is heavy, so should I find a differrent > hoop? Or maybe find a light weight wire to send through the hoop?I am not > sure which hoop was used in the picture they took for the front of the > pattern. And if you know where I might buy one I would do that as soon as > possible. 4 hoop bones should be fine; I doubt you'd need to reinforce it. I've never had a problem with my hoops collapsing under the weight of fabric, and I've put bridal satin + velvet concoctions on top of mine (which is also a 4 hoop version). My less-then-through research says that evening hoops were frequently wider then day hoops. Which is great if you're buying off the rack, since it's hard to find hoops for sale as narrow as they usually seemed to use in non-high-fashion photographs. > Where could I get the same type of (posies) flowers that you > used > on the pleats at the bottom of the overskirt? Are the posies silk flowers > or? Novels of the time (specifically Meg's ball gown in _Little Women_) talk about using real flowers to trim dresses. Fresh flowers were certainly cheaper then they are now... I've used the fake flowers purchasable at JoAnns. What pattern are you working from? Hope this helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:27:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLRG4a024190 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLOwZj029905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLOwnY026331; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ELvw4g078443 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A15A128D for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195FC4CB for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.145]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:48 -0700 Received: from wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.80]) by wcosbh23.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Hoop Skirt Problems Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: <9882D01216FC5249A2A41B86BD89559B045CDE7D@wcosmb01.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Hoop Skirt Problems Thread-Index: AcUox6bLq4TjMQH8SwqAefm/W9QmWgAEiEbQ From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2005 21:57:47.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD76940:01C528E0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2ELvw4g078443 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am still in the process of making the Civil War Ballgown and am having > some problems. Should the pleats fold from the center front to the back? > Or > from the back towards the front? It's hard to tell in the picture and I > don't seem to have good luck with pleats. Either -- there is photo evidence of both. However, I think the dresses in Arnold and in Nora Waugh go from front to the back. > Also I would like to know what > type > of hoop I should get? I have one that is 4 boned but I started the dress > in > bridal satin so of course yes it is heavy, so should I find a differrent > hoop? Or maybe find a light weight wire to send through the hoop?I am not > sure which hoop was used in the picture they took for the front of the > pattern. And if you know where I might buy one I would do that as soon as > possible. 4 hoop bones should be fine; I doubt you'd need to reinforce it. I've never had a problem with my hoops collapsing under the weight of fabric, and I've put bridal satin + velvet concoctions on top of mine (which is also a 4 hoop version). My less-then-through research says that evening hoops were frequently wider then day hoops. Which is great if you're buying off the rack, since it's hard to find hoops for sale as narrow as they usually seemed to use in non-high-fashion photographs. > Where could I get the same type of (posies) flowers that you > used > on the pleats at the bottom of the overskirt? Are the posies silk flowers > or? Novels of the time (specifically Meg's ball gown in _Little Women_) talk about using real flowers to trim dresses. Fresh flowers were certainly cheaper then they are now... I've used the fake flowers purchasable at JoAnns. What pattern are you working from? Hope this helps, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:30:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLUP8H024237 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:30:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLSEZj000895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLS9QS029256; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F1uoNW082052 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m82.in-tch.com [216.166.191.82]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2F1r4o06378 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:53:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4236421F.3010303@in-tch.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:02:07 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Which one is Jane Seymour? I couldn't figure them all out.... --sue otsisto wrote: > Note that the Anne Boleyn picture is backwards. > Jane Seymour's dress doesn't look like it fits her real well. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > I have put the photos from The Six Wives on my fotopic site, under "The Six > Wives" collection. > > http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c461806.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLXKjp024262 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:33:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLW7Zj001581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:32:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLW5A7033045; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:32:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F2uZsm024260 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:56:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DB2EV-0004ut-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:56:35 -0800 Message-ID: <42364F09.4000302@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:57:13 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" References: <42364EC4.9040307@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <42364EC4.9040307@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Heard this through the grapevine...thought some of you might be > interested > Sg > >> If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: >> >> _The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in >> Britain from 1200 to 1750_ >> >> Do not despair and do NOT spend the ourtrageous minimum $99.95 for >> which used copies are currently being hawked on Amazon.com. According >> the the V&A online, a reprint is in process and new copies will be >> available in May, 2005. >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLZxVS024283 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:36:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLYiZj002226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLYekP035496; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:34:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2F4IP55081279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:18:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2F5VioK016771 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:31:48 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:18:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503142318.15281.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 14 March 2005 5:53 am, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 10:27 14/03/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >Hello > > > >I am looking for advice from anyone who has made a > >male 'cavalier' style costume of around 1630. While > >authenticity may not be terribly important in this, it > >has to look great. I'm happy to scale up patterns if > >there are good ones in books - e.g. does Hunisett have > >something appropriate? I suppose I would even consider > >a pattern by the 'big 3' if it works :-) I don't know of a "Big 3" pattern that's worth the tissue paper it's printed on, for this. Reconstructing History's patterns are probably the closest you can get, authenticity-wise. Costume Connection makes a pattern that, though not terribly authentic in cut, is simple to put together and doesn't require a lot of fitting (if you use it, make sure your guy wears a large belt over the "doublet" part--don't wear it the way the envelope shows. Patterns of Time carries it, among other places; it's on this page on their site: http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat44.html > >Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be > >v. greatly appreciated! A cotton velvet/ velveteen looks like period velvet and has enough body to work. A mid-weight wool should be good too. Good luck. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:43:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLhwUh024340 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:43:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLeTZj003361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLeOHa041260; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FCsPUv007945 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:54:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DBBZ3-0001lS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4236DB28.7020308@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:55:04 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions about Elizabethan References: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Satine, it would be really helpful if you could be specific about who you are responding to. I am not sure if you are asking where my site is, but here is my main site: www.saragrace.net Your observation of the strap hanging down behind her and on her forearm is a good one. I had never noticiced it before and have not seen it on any other portraits (others may have more information about that), but they did so many things to embelish themselves. Before I started researching the gown I did, I had not noticed all the hanging sleeves with dags and tassles. I suspect that armband is just that-an embelished armband. Symetry didn't seem to be huge concern, sometimes the sleeves didn't match. I have a question for you. How much sewing and pattern drafting have you done? If you haven't done a lot this will be a huge undertaking. I am not trying to discourage you, but as Deredre said, one cannot emphasize mockups enough. And do take your time. If you don't have someone around who can do fittings on you, I strongly suggest making a ducttape dummy of yourself-can you borrow a corset from someone? If so, have them do the dummy over that corset so you have the correct silohet. The corset Derdre mentions is nice, but if you make that one be sure to bone the breast area. I suggest doing some research on the Effigey corset - the continuous tabs make the wearing much more comfortable IMHO-and afterall, it was probably hers! You really aren't going to be able to find a pattern specific to this gown though some of the commercial ones are good starting places. Jean Hunnisetts books are a good resource for pattern ideas, but remember she is sewing for the stage, so follow your own nose on research and do just what you are doing-ask lots of questions! Arnold books (specifically Queen Eliza... Wardrobe Unlocked) are great for reading and information about the gowns, but they really don't have much in the way of pattern making specific to this style. As for previous discussions, this email list does not have a standard archive like Yahoo groups do. You will have to use the information on this page to look through archives. http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume There are also several Yahoo groups who are more focused on the time period and place you are interested in (The Renaissance Tailor and The Elizabethan Costume group come to mind). Sg Lady Satine wrote: >Satine. >Ps I really like your site very informative Thank you ! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLjDNv024352 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLi7Zj003820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:44:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLi6nD044873; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2FFWa1W027038 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DBE28-0003Ko-00; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:32:36 -0800 Message-ID: <42370039.10403@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4236FDEE.80209@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4236FDEE.80209@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: TheRenaissanceTailor , "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: [h-cost] New to me portrait... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > > http://www.6URL.com/DVG > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:47:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLlnGO024367 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:47:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLekZj003412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLejRj041628; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLef8o041321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:40:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 9967 invoked by uid 507); 17 Mar 2005 08:40:28 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 17 Mar 2005 08:40:28 +1100 Message-ID: <119401c52a70$c40c95b0$0302a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <42364EC4.9040307@earthlink.net> <42364F09.4000302@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:40:24 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: >>> >>> _The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in >>> Britain from 1200 to 1750_ I haven't been, but I am now :-) Can't wait.... I've got a space on my bookshelf ready for it next to Fashion in detail and QEWU. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:49:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLnNrM024395 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLmjZj004451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLmfcp049845; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GLmYtc049610 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 21:48:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316214357.014bcd08@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:44:25 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Six Wives of Henry Vlll In-Reply-To: <4236421F.3010303@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:02 14/03/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Which one is Jane Seymour? I couldn't figure them all out.... >--sue Sorry Sue - forgot to transfer the information - oops! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 16:58:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GLwEiQ024462 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:58:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GLvcZj006284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:57:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GLvWTw058249; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G0QAuq041965 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (sprinkle.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB0072274 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:26:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-143.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-143.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.143]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:26:08 +1100 Message-ID: <1110932768.42377d20d75cd@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:26:08 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone ever used....... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-MC-Metrics: net.indra.com 1128; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > ....a _pantograph_to copy and enlarge the patterns out > of Hunniset or Holekeboers books? > Was it successful? I've never tried it but imagine the main problem to overcome would be distortion seeing you do not get an even enlargement all over. It occurs to me that if you can overcome the problems of distortion (moving the thing back and forth and side-to-side to keep the grid square sizes uniform if you can be bothered) you will still have the usual problems of adjusting the pattern to fit the individual. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it will be tedious. Good luck with it, though, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:07:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GM7qMk024526 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GM6qZj007493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GM6n1v066994; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:06:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G1Px9b081262 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:25:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.76] (helo=boris) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DBNIM-0006Ha-9c for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:25:58 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=MPdW1PKysVVziPQXm4/bFbwT5Jpa47G1x44ut/4iRkTI5zSLAgh1cWJ3aQJS7qow; Message-ID: <02ec01c529c7$281ae890$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:26:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd480f47779ffe316a93c2a2adacca412bb7ac30c6e5e32ee181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.76 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] magazine article X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2GM7qMk024526 Status: RO Ok, I've got a bit of a quandry. I'm searching for a copy of this article: Ashelford, Jane. "Female Masque Dress in Late Sixteenth-Century England", The Journal of Costume, Vol 12, 1998 My library has been searching for it for me, and cannot come up with any listings for The Journal of Costume. Does anyone know anything about this periodical, who publishes it and where I might find a copy? thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:11:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMBC0X024554 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:11:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMAHZj008050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:10:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMADiR070131; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2G1wJrs007573 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m54.in-tch.com [216.166.191.54]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2G1sUo14794 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:54:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <423793F4.6060701@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:03:32 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The black shoulder thingy actually is often referred to as a partlet, or an over-partlet. That said, it does look a good deal like similar german-styled clothing items which are, IIRC, called "gollars." (my apologies if the spelling is "close but no cigar") The high-collared white smocked thingy underneath is *not* necessarily a partlet. It could quite easily be a shirt or shift (pick yer term ;-). In the 16th c., it was sometimes possible to distinguish between male and female "shirts" only by looking for the additional gores put in to accomodate a woman's hips. --sue otsisto wrote: > The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. > The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a > partlet. > Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going > through a fogged valley. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate > over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. > > Jean > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:18:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMIJiH024606 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:18:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMHSZj008958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMHOe2076855; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GG78sf076598 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:07:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E352F47FEBD for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008c01c52a42$359d0c20$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050314104630.014bb200@127.0.0.1> <4235C51A.8060805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Beautifull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume > > >> >> >> The picture shows a costume made from Waugh patterns >> >> http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=charles_i.jpg >> > > > Mmmmn, yummy! > > It's been ages since I touched this period, and I used the Holkeboer > book... 'Patterns for Theatrical Costume' I think it was, since it was > about the only thing in print at the time. I had good looking results. > Wish I had pictures. > > > > >Any warnings/advice about fabric choice would also be > >v. greatly appreciated! > > I can't think of anything specific to this outfit, just the usual > warnings to make sure your layers breathe. I remember that it was the > trimming that really made the outfit, I spent a fortune (to me at the > time) on 'gold'-wrapped 'pearl' buttons and gold braid and moire ribbons. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:22:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMMXJs024668 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:22:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMLvZj009415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMLuYj081126; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GGUnGm099214 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DBbQ1-0001Q7-00; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: <42385F61.5080908@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:31:29 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com, GermanRenCostume , "h-costume@indra.com" , TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] We are in trouble now-a Bildindex discovery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I was fiddling around with Bildindex http://www.bildindex.de today and found that just because there may be a blank square which says "Kein Abbildung vorhanden" (no picture available) doesn't mean that they aren't there! Go to a section which has some pictures while still in the Gallery mode. Then click on _Vollansich_t up in the top menu row. The first picture should show up with a bunch of text around it. Once there you should see two buttons towards the top: Click the one which says_ alle Abbildungen zum Objekt_. This shows any shot they have of the picture. Sometimes the ones in the Gallery mode are black and white-here they may show additional shots in color and/or closer ups! Once in this "show all" mode click on the arrows at the top to move through the whole list of pictures. Some of those blanks have pictures! A few good artists to start with to prove this to yourself are Neufchatel or Creuznach. Each have about 14 pictures and each has hidden goodies! Be sure when scrolling through in this mode that you scroll down as you come to each picture.....there may be more below! Oh happy dance! Have fun! I know what I will be doing most of today! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:26:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMQqmv024696 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:26:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMKnZj009272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:20:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMKnR7080020; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:20:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GMKjxb079933 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-3492); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:20:03 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:20:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050316141942.00d86670@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:20:38 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... In-Reply-To: <42370039.10403@earthlink.net> References: <4236FDEE.80209@earthlink.net> <4236FDEE.80209@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Why not? She looks pleased and prosperous to me . Joan At 08:33 AM 3/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > >> >>http://www.6URL.com/DVG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:27:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMRZ5V024709 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMQhZj010096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMQdmq085698; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:26:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GMQai7085632 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-7473); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:25:56 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:25:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050316142158.00d7f520@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:26:32 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone ever used....... In-Reply-To: <1110932768.42377d20d75cd@webmail.netspace.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When I was drafting up patterns (before there were any commercial patterns of good quality), I started with a sloper that fit me, then used Arnold's POF and other grided pattern sources to change the shapes to fit the period design. Directly enlarging the patterns doesn't work well unless you are the same shape and size of the original wearer, and even then there is a lot of distortion of the original fabric from being in a tomb for so long under less-than-ideal preservation conditions. Joan At 11:26 AM 3/16/2005 +1100, you wrote: > > ....a _pantograph_to copy and enlarge the patterns out > > of Hunniset or Holekeboers books? > > Was it successful? > >I've never tried it but imagine the main problem to overcome would be >distortion seeing you do not get an even enlargement all over. It occurs >to me >that if you can overcome the problems of distortion (moving the thing back >and >forth and side-to-side to keep the grid square sizes uniform if you can be >bothered) you will still have the usual problems of adjusting the pattern to >fit the individual. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it will be >tedious. Good luck with it, though, > >-C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:33:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMXM5Z024842 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMWKZj010840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMWFNJ091214; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GLot3I051693 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 21:50:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316214934.0156f700@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:50:49 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A In-Reply-To: <119401c52a70$c40c95b0$0302a8c0@mycomputer> References: <42364EC4.9040307@earthlink.net> <42364F09.4000302@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:40 17/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >>>>If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: >>>> >>>>_The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in >>>>Britain from 1200 to 1750_ > >I haven't been, but I am now :-) > >Can't wait.... I've got a space on my bookshelf ready for it next to >Fashion in detail and QEWU. > >Glenda. You could always try www.rdfranks.co.uk They may have some old copies left. A great "fashion" of all ages book shop, right in the middle of London Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:33:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMXXwu024851 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:33:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMWeZj010884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMWdiQ091582; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GMWHaB091138 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2005 22:32:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316223003.014bcfd0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:32:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] magazine article In-Reply-To: <02ec01c529c7$281ae890$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 17:26 15/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Ok, I've got a bit of a quandry. I'm searching for a copy of this article: >Ashelford, Jane. "Female Masque Dress in Late Sixteenth-Century England", >The Journal of Costume, Vol 12, 1998 > >My library has been searching for it for me, and cannot come up with any >listings for The Journal of Costume. Does anyone know anything about this >periodical, who publishes it and where I might find a copy? This is actually "Costume" Number 12 1978 The Journal of the Costume Society. It is the annual publication of the British Costume Society. If you still have difficulty, mail me off list, for a contact for back issues of the magazine. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:36:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GManDm024921 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:36:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMZQZj011256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMZO6q094191; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMVUDn090411 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id f.141.41bac2a2 (18251); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <141.41bac2a2.2f6a0daf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:31:11 EST To: h-needlework@ansteorra.org, sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org, brighthills@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, CalontirFiber@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "The Bayeux Tapestry: Embroidering the Facts of History" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have just removed my brand-new copy of this book from the box it arrived in from France and can tell you all immediately that every single paper in the book is in English. Yea! Lots of pictures, too, as well as an incredible variety of topics. Here are the papers -- Historiography of the Bayeux Tapestry "The Great Bayeux Tapestry Debate (19th and 20th Centuries)" "The Bayeux Tapestry: A Critical Analysis of Publications 1988-1999" "The Bayeux Tapestry under German Occupation" The Artefact as Textile "Publication of the Results of the Scientific and Technical Study 1982-1983" "Bayeux Tapestry or Bayeux Embroidery?" (I'm going to read this chapter first!) "The Bayeux Tapestry: an Example of Textile Embroidery" "The Technical Study of the Bayeux Embroidery" "The Bayeux Embroidery and its Backing Strip" "The Bayeux Tapestry: Results of the Scientific Tests (1982-1983)" Medieval Sources and Historical Narrative "Orderic Vitalis and the Bayeux Tapestry" "The Echo of the Conquest in the Latin Sources: Duchess Mathilda, her Daughters and the Enigma of the Golden Child" "The Norman Conquest in the Grande Chronique de Normandie" "The Bayeux Tapestry as Original Source" "Is the Bayeux Tapestry Pro-English?" "The Bayeux Tapestry, the Bishop and the Laity" The Bayeux Tapestry as Documentary Evidence "The Bayeux Tapestry and its Depiction of Costume: The Problems of Interpretation "Archaeology and the Bayeux Tapestry" "The Importance of the Bayeux Tapestry for the History of War" The Work of Art "The Bayeux Tapestry and Decoration in North-Western Europe: Style and Composition" "Trifunctionality and Epic Patterning in the Bayeux Tapestry" "The Coronation of Harold in the Bayeux Tapestry" "The Bayeux Tapestry: The Establishment of a Text" It is available from _www.amazon.fr_ (http://www.amazon.fr) ; the price is EUR 35.57 + EUR 10.90 = EUR 46.47. Please pass this information along! Nancy <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Bright Hills, Atlantia "But if by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 17:55:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GMtlRb025027 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:55:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GMssZj013506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:54:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMsjO5012805; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GMsglP012659 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so720wra for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:54:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=n5qThLlHo1k8hVsAPk+36a6z8l4rC5ADaDonJrh+vr+a/IDzeKjq518aYdbzMRyW9b9FoHMbQQDDC2PB/MCiM/imaVty3Nbe+ocDosgRSCA6xcv7dTnuAIkxlxGz+wKG10yfryHOz70h0+EVf3hqLxRq8GVdHAeIMynQYEPYEIQ= Received: by 10.54.54.78 with SMTP id c78mr1572166wra; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm733620wra.2005.03.16.14.54.34; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:54:34 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] magazine article Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8745@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02ec01c529c7$281ae890$0300a8c0@boris> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can't think of any journal by that exact title, but there are: Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society The American Jounal of Costume Costume Research Journal Costume Journal (CSO) Why don't you try asking Drea Leed where she got her reference from. Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:26 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] magazine article Ok, I've got a bit of a quandry. I'm searching for a copy of this article: Ashelford, Jane. "Female Masque Dress in Late Sixteenth-Century England", The Journal of Costume, Vol 12, 1998 My library has been searching for it for me, and cannot come up with any listings for The Journal of Costume. Does anyone know anything about this periodical, who publishes it and where I might find a copy? thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 18:08:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GN8aNY025133 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GN7HZj014595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GN7ETv024453; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GN7ASB024356 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E25382EF for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p467.socket.net [64.85.215.213]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A9B7C493 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: 18th century bumrolls Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <92.22d8c818.2f69f60a@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I haven't been following this thread real well and I probably should not comment as I don't know where one could locate the prints. They were late 1700s print, don't know what it was for but one showed a woman with "bumrolls" on each hip lacing up another woman. I vaguely remember it to be of Northern European origin, Danish or Germanic, though it could by a slim chance have been French. In the other print it showed a woman having thrown one of her "bumrolls" and hitting another in the head with it. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 18:12:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GNCr4q025157 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GNBBZj014987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GNB47F027912; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GNAcGT027446 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 68612 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2005 23:10:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20050316231033.68610.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.204.13] by web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:10:33 EST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:10:33 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO -- Wicked Frau wrote: > >> If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: > >> > >> _The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in > >> Britain from 1200 to 1750_ > >> > >> Do not despair and do NOT spend the ourtrageous minimum $99.95 for > > >> which used copies are currently being hawked on Amazon.com. 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Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 18:16:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GNGGma025186 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:16:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GNEuZj015423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GNEpgN031428; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GNEn1L031403 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Received: from [66.167.48.76] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DBhiy-0003lr-Kd for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:14:48 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=juqQGR4FQ03aayR4K0LrwiVUW9wSCBqnqNiYE0VJ+txfG7XCvUjlWsbKjpP/vEQu; Message-ID: <004101c52a7e$02895e10$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050316223003.014bcfd0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] magazine article Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:15:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd480474f506b17fe8efbb67add71566209c86936b69e59fefa2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.48.76 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you! I figured the it was probably UK based, and that the title had probably been cited incorrectly. With this info I'll now be able to make a more intelligent search. Melusine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] magazine article > At 17:26 15/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>Ok, I've got a bit of a quandry. I'm searching for a copy of this >>article: >>Ashelford, Jane. "Female Masque Dress in Late Sixteenth-Century England", >>The Journal of Costume, Vol 12, 1998 >> >>My library has been searching for it for me, and cannot come up with any >>listings for The Journal of Costume. Does anyone know anything about this >>periodical, who publishes it and where I might find a copy? > > > This is actually "Costume" Number 12 1978 The Journal of the Costume > Society. It is the annual publication of the British Costume Society. If > you still have difficulty, mail me off list, for a contact for back issues > of the magazine. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 18:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2GNP8ql025240 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GNNvZj016668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GNNr2w039799; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com (web41907.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2GNNnJL039649 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79690 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2005 23:23:43 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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This site= Mainsite. I Apologize for the confusion... I was excited to get any response for elizabethan.. My past dealings from a previous place I lived was Less than Heartwarming, Down right rude and Mean! Your observation of the strap hanging down behind her and on her forearm is a good one. I had never noticiced it before and have not seen it on any other portraits (others may have more information about that), but they did so many things to embelish themselves. Before I started researching the gown I did, I had not noticed all the hanging sleeves with dags and tassles. I suspect that armband is just that-an embelished armband. Symetry didn't seem to be huge concern, sometimes the sleeves didn't match. I have a question for you. How much sewing and pattern drafting have you done? If you haven't done a lot this will be a huge undertaking. I am not trying to discourage you, but as Deredre said, one cannot emphasize mockups enough. Sewing For the last 10 years, and Pattern Drafting..... Only Easy stuff like Italian Ren, Cotehardies and Kirtles... but as I said they are easy. so I guess not much real drafting. And do take your time. Reason why I am here I am excited but need a dose of reality "take your time for this will take a while, " and stuff..... Corsets I do have people only an hr. away that are more that willing to help That is not too far. and when we get together its an all day affair 12hrs or more... (The Renaissance Tailor and The Elizabethan Costume group come to mind) .Renaissance Taylor Thanks I will check them out! Elizabethan Costume Group- I have been waiting over two weeks to be "approved" by the Elizabethan Costume group! so I came here as well! in hopes of Any results! I do appreciate you taking time out to find out my skill level and how to better answer me. Please be patient with a blank page. I am here for all you to mold! I do not want this dress for an event next week, or even next month I just want to make one. When It gets done it gets done and debuts. That is my attitude. Satine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 19:26:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H0QGCd025736 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H0OmZj022920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H0OO0v092046; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2H0OLcR091989 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-4192); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:40 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:23:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050316162208.00d84480@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:24:16 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] We are in trouble now-a Bildindex discovery In-Reply-To: <42385F61.5080908@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I tried to follow your instructions, but there is no "Vollansich t" in the top menu row on my screen. It would certainly be easier if I spoke (or at least read) German. sigh.... Joan At 09:31 AM 3/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I was fiddling around with Bildindex http://www.bildindex.de today >and found that just because there may be a blank square which says "Kein >Abbildung vorhanden" (no picture available) doesn't mean that they aren't >there! Go to a section which has some pictures while still in the Gallery >mode. Then click on _Vollansich_t up in the top menu row. >The first picture should show up with a bunch of text around it. Once >there you should see two buttons towards the top: Click the one which >says_ alle Abbildungen zum Objekt_. This shows any shot they have of the >picture. Sometimes the ones in the Gallery mode are black and white-here >they may show additional shots in color and/or closer ups! >Once in this "show all" mode click on the arrows at the top to move >through the whole list of pictures. Some of those blanks have pictures! >A few good artists to start with to prove this to yourself are Neufchatel >or Creuznach. Each have about 14 pictures and each has hidden goodies! > >Be sure when scrolling through in this mode that you scroll down as you >come to each picture.....there may be more below! > >Oh happy dance! >Have fun! > >I know what I will be doing most of today! > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 19:39:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H0d1VW025794 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:39:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H0cMZj024538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H0cIAw003573; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H0cGI0003496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-113-150.sonic.net [209.148.113.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H0cCC2015571 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: <4238D177.5060904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:38:15 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] magazine article References: <02ec01c529c7$281ae890$0300a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <02ec01c529c7$281ae890$0300a8c0@boris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It is the journal of The Costume Society (of England). Their website is: http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/ I think it includes a list of publications and how to get them. They take checks in US dollars. I've been a member for years, just to get the journal. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carmen Beaudry wrote: >Ok, I've got a bit of a quandry. I'm searching for a copy of this article: >Ashelford, Jane. "Female Masque Dress in Late Sixteenth-Century England", The Journal of Costume, Vol 12, 1998 > >My library has been searching for it for me, and cannot come up with any listings for The Journal of Costume. Does anyone know anything about this periodical, who publishes it and where I might find a copy? > >thanks, > >Melusine >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 21:59:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H2xDfn026485 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H2w8Zj006543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H2vaiM099933; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H2vXdc099891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2H2pxmT005050 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:51:59 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:51:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4238F21B.7060503@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:57:31 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Language keyword help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Folks, A recent discussion on another list reminded me that there are lots of non-English websites which can be navigated by non-speakers, by guessing, but if we had some keywords in the foreign language, we could do even better. I'd like to compile a simple chart of such words oriented toward costume/clothing research. If you know a non-English language which can be rendered in a standard character set, your help would be much appreciated. Please respond to me directly, in order not to clutter up the list. When I've compiled things, I'll tell the list where to look. This address will get you past my spam filter: cvirtue-words@thibault.org Words which I think might be useful -- feel free to suggest others; these are the ones I use most often, so I have some tunnel-vision. picture archive gallery manuscript illumination tapestry painting head wear hats clothing shoes historic middle ages medieval renaissance (other era terms?) houppelande tunic poulaine hennin braiding extant gown hood veil sewing pattern -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 22:44:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H3iEoq026671 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:44:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H3gxZj009950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:42:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H3gfKx032225; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:42:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H3gE9V032043 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DBltl-0005My-00; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:42:14 -0800 Message-ID: <4238FCBF.60207@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:42:55 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TheRenaissanceTailor , "h-costume@indra.com" , GermanRenCostume , thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How to Search Bildindex tutorial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have stuck a tutorial up on my website. Please let me know what I can do to make it better. I will add more tomorrow on how to use the Icon Lists. http://saragrace.net/2E_Bildindexhowto.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 23:09:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H49HZ2026781 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:09:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H48YZj012147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H48SSH050774; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H48PPd050695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H5LrE3023900 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:58 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:08:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <8C6F85DCF8FE647-550-190@mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C6F85DCF8FE647-550-190@mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503162308.14017.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wednesday 16 March 2005 11:39 am, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Wow, Cathy, that's a great hat site! I feel like I should be able to make a > hat on my own, but there are two or three of these which will do the trick > nicely. Now if I can just persuade my husband to actually wear the funny > hat... You're welcome. Good luck! [snip] > And if anyone's interested, I found an English site that has really > inexpensive period-replica spoons. I think I'm going to order one for Jon > to wear in his hat, like in two of the Brueghel paintings. The site also > has replica saint's badges and jewelry, and as far as I can tell, the > prices are very good. It's http://www.pewterreplicas.com/ . Here's another one, with an even bigger selection of pilgrim's badges in pewter, all inexpensively priced. They also carry spoons, and will make a nice belt with pewter fittings (much less expensive than the companies who ill make you belts with bronze fittings). http://www.billyandcharlie.com/ -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 16 23:17:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H4HRDo026828 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:17:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H4GuZj012765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:16:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H4GrFk056891; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2H4GqxI056870 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-32318); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:16:12 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:16:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050316201027.00d806e0@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:16:48 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to Search Bildindex tutorial In-Reply-To: <4238FCBF.60207@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Saragrace, This tutorial is very useful. Thank you for taking the time to help those of us who don't know German. How would one search for the subject of artwork rather than the artist? For example, I am trying to find additional views of a particular portrait of Elizabeth I of England that is in Vienna, according to Janet Arnold in QEWU. It's by that well-known artist Anonymous, c. 1575. And if there are any other portraits of her in the holdings listed in this index, I'd love to see them. Thanks again for your help, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 08:42 PM 3/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I have stuck a tutorial up on my website. Please let me know what I can >do to make it better. > >I will add more tomorrow on how to use the Icon Lists. > >http://saragrace.net/2E_Bildindexhowto.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 00:14:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H5EwgY027043 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H5E0Zj016981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H5DpPa096715; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:13:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H5Dno4096625 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20097 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:27:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:27:21 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Language keyword help In-Reply-To: <4238F21B.7060503@thibault.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > I'd like to compile a simple chart of such words oriented toward > costume/clothing research. If you know a non-English language which can > be rendered in a standard character set, your help would be much > appreciated. > ... > Words which I think might be useful -- feel free to suggest others; Basic navigation terms would help: "search," "site map," "home," "contact." These functions seem to be on most sites, but finding the native equivalent can be tricky, because it's not always a direct translation. Show me the search box, and I can find almost anything ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 00:37:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H5bpCc027124 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H5bAZj018547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:37:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H5b5Tj011886; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H5b0Sb011748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H6oSFs024871 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:50:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Language keyword help Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:36:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503170036.50138.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 March 2005 12:27 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > I'd like to compile a simple chart of such words oriented toward > > costume/clothing research. If you know a non-English language which can > > be rendered in a standard character set, your help would be much > > appreciated. > > ... > > Words which I think might be useful -- feel free to suggest others; > > > > Basic navigation terms would help: "search," "site map," "home," > "contact." These functions seem to be on most sites, but finding the > native equivalent can be tricky, because it's not always a direct > translation. > > Show me the search box, and I can find almost anything ;-) That's true, Robin, but that's also one of the easier things to figure out from context (e.g., position on the site) alone. What I think Cynthia is driving at is compiling a list of terms other than the basic navigation ones that someone interested in costume might use, for example, to find the costume-related parts of, say, a living history site in another language. I have a few in mind, but I'm not likely to get to that tonight. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 01:36:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H6aZOG027326 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:36:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H6ZnZj022570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H6ZSpk049298; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:35:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H6ZQxX049268 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:35:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20724 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:49:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:49:01 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Language keyword help In-Reply-To: <200503170036.50138.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > What I think Cynthia is driving at is compiling a list of terms other > than the basic navigation ones that someone interested in costume > might use, for example, to find the costume-related parts of, say, a > living history site in another language. I have a few in mind, but > I'm not likely to get to that tonight. Oh, I realized that. I meant in addition. It would be good to have that handful of Web-basic keywords along with the costume-specific ones. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 04:34:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H9YvvR003463 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H9XnZj003469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H9XksH064878; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H9Xh2v064796 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:33:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D50541AC6 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4EA6B395C; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:33:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:33:39 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume X-Originating-Ip: [210.49.43.102] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5COU7zAAPHFgEAAAAB,93d560fd66389920c1ab5eae5d8122be Message-Id: <20050317093339.4EA6B395C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO My 2c worth: Actually, I thought that it looked like there *were* stays under the dress - probably made with the stay pattern which is right next to it in the online catalogue. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.list.10013.x=1 Joannah. --- "otsisto" wrote: From: "otsisto" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:09:48 -0600 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Basically, most of Butterick's "Making History", are created with the average sewer in mind or a beginner LHer needing a pattern for first garb. It is researched but they will cut corners to accommodate. The lack of a corset is a good example. Now understand the 17th cent. is not my era of interest but I think that they have achieved a good rendition. The ruffle on the end of the sleeves could be different IMO. De -----Original Message----- > Just curious to know what you find 'horrifying'. Is the pattern that bad? > Or is the fabric choice wrong? Or is it all that makeup? I don't know. It just looks like a halloween costume, something someone would rent, and not like a recreation at all. But somehow, McCall's costumes always feel that way to me, and I almost never can put my finger on what's bothering me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 04:38:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2H9cTEs005481 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2H9FYZj002437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H9FJfA052692; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2H9FBbQ052137 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2H9EUd16278.; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:14:30 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:14:30 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:14:02 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> cathy@thyrsus.com 15/03/2005 04:18:15 >>> wrote: >Costume Connection makes a pattern that, though not terribly authentic in cut, >is simple to put together and doesn't require a lot of fitting (if you use >it, make sure your guy wears a large belt over the "doublet" part--don't wear >it the way the envelope shows. Patterns of Time carries it, among other >places; it's on this page on their site: >http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat44.html Why a belt? The fashionable look of the time was for the "waist" to be at the level of the lower ribs, so wearing a waist belt would completely spoil the effect. That's why they wore their sword on a baldrick over the shoulder. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17c reenactor ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 05:59:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HAxo3Y028157 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HAwjZj009266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HAwckL019673; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HAwauu019643 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2HAwXWa027919 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:58:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050317044827.00c35f58@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:50:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! In-Reply-To: <423793F4.6060701@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks Sue! I was going to say something similar. In textual sources I've looked at, you will see plenty or references to shirts or smocks but almost none to partlets - and they are usually described as made of velvet or satin. Cheers, Danielle At 07:03 PM 3/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >The black shoulder thingy actually is often referred to as a partlet, or >an over-partlet. That said, it does look a good deal like similar >german-styled clothing items which are, IIRC, called "gollars." (my >apologies if the spelling is "close but no cigar") >The high-collared white smocked thingy underneath is *not* necessarily a >partlet. It could quite easily be a shirt or shift (pick yer term >;-). In the 16th c., it was sometimes possible to distinguish between >male and female "shirts" only by looking for the additional gores put in >to accomodate a woman's hips. >--sue > > >otsisto wrote: > >>The black thingy on the shoulders is called something else, not a partlet. >>The high collared white smocked thingy underneath the black thingy is a >>partlet. >>Does someone remember what the black thingy is called? My memory is going >>through a fogged valley. >>De >>-----Original Message----- >>Ooo! That's a really clear example of a partlet as a separate >>over-garment, just like a shawl. Nice. >>Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 06:28:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HBSK91028307 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:28:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HBRUZj010750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HBRRfi038505; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HBRQuC038457 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005031711272001400mvmjne>; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:27:20 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.118; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:27:20 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:27:20 +0000 Message-Id: <031720051127.3871.4239699800002E5900000F1F22007507840809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Good thing I decided to not sell my copy! -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > -- Wicked Frau wrote: > > >> If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: > > >> > > >> _The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in > > >> Britain from 1200 to 1750_ > > >> > > >> Do not despair and do NOT spend the ourtrageous minimum $99.95 for > > > > >> which used copies are currently being hawked on Amazon.com. > > > Is that really how much used copies are selling for??? OMG. I not too > long ago (Nov last year) bought a copy off eBay from a seller in the US > for under $11! Total with shipping to Australia came to under $18! > > I knew it was a bergain at the time, but I didn't realise it was that > much of a bargain. > > > > Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac > ©Any intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella > Lucia da Verona) > ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** > http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 07:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HCH3FP028572 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:17:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HCG9Zj013339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCFox2069187; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCFNIx068918 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:15:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050317121516.TSXG2171.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:15:16 +1300 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.244.194]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050317121516.YACQ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:15:16 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.7.3]); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:15:17 +1300 Message-ID: <001d01c52aea$fb3b79a0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050317044827.00c35f58@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:15:17 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Thanks Sue! I was going to say something similar. In textual sources I've > looked at, you will see plenty or references to shirts or smocks but almost > none to partlets - and they are usually described as made of velvet or satin. This isn't textual evidence, but in at least two woodcuts (one of peasants and one of camp followers) you can see gathered partlets worn over the dress/kirtle of German women. The peasants can be found at lacma's collectiosn online (by Beham), and I do believe I saw some on another site. The mp follower can be found on Marion McNealy's site. I'm not sure if that specific woodcut is seen on other sites.) These are clearly worn over other garments, and are cut longer than Flemish partlets worn over kirtles leter in the century. I haven't seen them worn under a gollar, but then in this instance they may be used for different purposes: protection of the skin from the sun in one case and proctection from the cold in the other. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com I am in the nuttign out stage of making a gathered partlet. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 07:38:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HCc7wc028664 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HCbSZj014722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCbMEM082879; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCbJ0e082753 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A9F6390700A4; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:37:10 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 17 Mar 05 12:37:09 -0000 Message-ID: <006101c52aee$3eadfca0$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4236FDEE.80209@earthlink.net> <42370039.10403@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:38:37 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sheese! She needs a bumroll? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wicked Frau" Cc: "TheRenaissanceTailor" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] New to me portrait... > Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > > > > > http://www.6URL.com/DVG > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 07:46:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HCkZnC028697 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HCjuZj015112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCjsT5088531; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HCjqNS088509 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c28.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DBuNs-0001Q7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:45:52 -0800 Message-ID: <42397C2A.8050507@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:46:34 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <4.2.2.20050316201027.00d806e0@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050316201027.00d806e0@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bildindex and Queen Elizabeth I X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'd say the Germans don't much care about Eliz. Use this search in the ICON CLASS : 61 bb 2 (elisabeth Saragrace, > This tutorial is very useful. Thank you for taking the time to help > those of us who don't know German. > > How would one search for the subject of artwork rather than the > artist? For example, I am trying to find additional views of a > particular portrait of Elizabeth I of England that is in Vienna, > according to Janet Arnold in QEWU. It's by that well-known artist > Anonymous, c. 1575. And if there are any other portraits of her in > the holdings listed in this index, I'd love to see them. > > Thanks again for your help, > Joan Jurancich > Sacramento, CA > > At 08:42 PM 3/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >> I have stuck a tutorial up on my website. Please let me know what I >> can do to make it better. >> >> I will add more tomorrow on how to use the Icon Lists. >> >> http://saragrace.net/2E_Bildindexhowto.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 08:33:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HDX7ov028891 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HDW4Zj026415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HDVttM020083; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:31:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HDVqJ5020058 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2HDVl7t014810 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050317083050.01dc4360@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:31:46 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap In-Reply-To: <8C6F85DCF8FE647-550-190@mblk-r07.sysops.aol.com> References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Too bad that you don't knit... I could have sent you my recipie for this hat... ah well. Back to the leprosy bandages. Bridgette >. > >Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, >unfortunately. > Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 08:33:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HDXO99028894 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HDWOZj026474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HDWNQt020434; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HDWMBc020348 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A6DF398600A4; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:32:15 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 17 Mar 05 13:32:14 -0000 Message-ID: <00eb01c52af5$f0986340$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:33:42 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] old film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2HDXO99028894 Status: RO To accompany my 'lap-sewing' yesterday, I amused myself by watching "Marie Antoinette" (1930's). This was an obviously a serious attempt to do a biography in film. The script was frivolous especially at the beginning and downright banal in places, ( they couldn't miss "Apre moi le deluge" or "let them eat cake"). However, I was amazed at the scale of the costumes and sets. Generally speaking, the men were reasonably believable in their dress. The women's gowns were way over the top in tulle and velvet, all bespangled beyond belief. Where was costume research in that time period! Guess academy awards for costume then were based on beauty in fantasy. But, Antoinett's radical change in prison was remarkable in makeup and in dress, except that they discarded the corset. One of the more touching characterizations was that of Robert Morely as a bumbling Louis. One could believe that all he really did want to do in life was to be a blacksmith or watch maker! With the wisdom of age, this is a good film to contrast with any of the most recent attempts at interpreting this time period. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 09:10:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HEA6S0029091 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:10:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HE9NZj002654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HE9JUL046385; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2HE9Hl5046320 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:09:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47243 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2005 14:09:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QtjSptdXZOYODGFu6qjB2bX92wgq9AngFGBc3iAZuKAQs21PpV8OAAIHY16qTjMXlOz5ujSe7NSf1nh88djlmgR7DRSp8se7y11NdE8fi889GxptBVtLAxXzgGP5nyswHAzfaLSmvcFgZOE1SLIyQW0jmsi9gEH452xxPsRawm8= ; Message-ID: <20050317140912.47241.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:09:12 PST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due for re-release-Embroidery book from V&A To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, www.powellbooks.com has it for 24.95 new... Chris G. glendarob@exemail.com.au wrote: >>> If you've been desperately seeking a copy of: >>> >>> _The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in >>> Britain from 1200 to 1750_ I haven't been, but I am now :-) Can't wait.... I've got a space on my bookshelf ready for it next to Fashion in detail and QEWU. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 10:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HF1eqL029437 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HEwGaR006977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:00:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HEooHM076371; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HEokRC076285 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:50:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005031714504101500ejqr2e>; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:50:41 +0000 Message-ID: <00cb01c52b00$b3d2faf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00eb01c52af5$f0986340$705183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] old film Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:50:45 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kathleen, You have to remember that the available resources to historic documentation was very limited during the 1930s. This was Adrian's, the film's costume designer, most acclaimed film. I personally think his work on "The Great Ziegfeld" was his best work. The resources I have found in period publications is over-whelming. There is just so much, thanks to eBay! Before the internet, available sources were so limited. Some of the publications I have found have not been seen in such a long time. The more that is found and re-published, the more insight we have as to how past generations dressed. Just like with wonderful people like you who long their collections to people like me. You loaning your collections helps educators and designers pass along the correct information. They educate their students/interns, and their students educate future generations. When I was taking my film history classes in college, a good couple of good points were made. In the mid 1970s there was a new search for historical accuracy and the truth being presented in films, literature, history itself. Directors wanted to make their films more period accurate. This was because of all that was occurring in history at the time, that a search for the truth was wanted by the viewing public. Directors picked up on this and started a new trend in the film making industry. Now if you look at the films of the time (1970s), you laugh, but this occurred none the less. This new trend does not occur overnight, it is a slow transition. It takes many, many years to make a change. You do have to agree that some, not all, films are being presented with a little more accuracy than say the films of the 1930s. During the 1970s, the old film studio heads were still in power. The moguls wanted things to stay the same. Also during the 1970s, you saw the new generation of film makers and costume designers. As both have matured, you find that they have learned and researched more. See what I mean about the change taking time. Now in 2005, a lot of the 1930s moguls are gone and the ones from the 60s and 70s are the senior powers-to-be. We subscribe to the Hollywood rags mags that publishes illnesses and death notice. The old moguls are dying off a pretty fast pace. The other day, I saw a show with George Lucus. It seems so unreal that he has aged so. I keep thinking of him from when he first came out with Star Wars in my mind. Now he is one of the senior power-to-be of Hollywood. But just think of all that he and Spielberg have done for advancement in the industry. Something to also look at is who are the new generation of costume designers and how well do they research. A new generation, Deanna Appel, who was the costume designer, did such an outstanding job on the first couple of Austin Powers films, especially the first one. She did some heavy research for her films. When you look at older films, you need to keep the perspective of what historic costume resources did they have available. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 10:29:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HFTgT8029589 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HFSwZj009722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:28:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HFSlap007605; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HFShFO007549 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so15311rne for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:28:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=smhNJi3A32ZiIBGkecsKOis7kFInFfOkG8CjCCVFEmhtvV/vZWhGYCseGiNfJp829NezqTI6/VmHSuJ6jPs3tBVMAIM4VsgOb3UCk/S+1wCDffjXOw/lSzfT7ZmLyuFbBKSEFdXOWa+qpALH5pyvcIpd2CtTfj8HVUdMowt/HOU= Received: by 10.38.162.43 with SMTP id k43mr1540394rne; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h17sm1372826rnb.2005.03.17.07.28.42; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:28:43 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Language keyword help Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F8746@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4238F21B.7060503@thibault.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have any of you ever used the Eurodicautom from the EU? I've never used it for costume terms, but I use it all the time at work. You can search for a word in Danish,Dutch, English, Finish, French, German, Greek, Italian, Latin, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish, and get the equivalent in any and all of the above languages. What makes it even more interesting is that you can specify the subject of interest. The address is: http://europa.eu.int/eurodicautom/ Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:58 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Language keyword help Hi Folks, A recent discussion on another list reminded me that there are lots of non-English websites which can be navigated by non-speakers, by guessing, but if we had some keywords in the foreign language, we could do even better. I'd like to compile a simple chart of such words oriented toward costume/clothing research. If you know a non-English language which can be rendered in a standard character set, your help would be much appreciated. Please respond to me directly, in order not to clutter up the list. When I've compiled things, I'll tell the list where to look. This address will get you past my spam filter: cvirtue-words@thibault.org Words which I think might be useful -- feel free to suggest others; these are the ones I use most often, so I have some tunnel-vision. picture archive gallery manuscript illumination tapestry painting head wear hats clothing shoes historic middle ages medieval renaissance (other era terms?) houppelande tunic poulaine hennin braiding extant gown hood veil sewing pattern -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 12:40:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HHeIJh030268 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:40:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HHdBZj015067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HHcwDS033735; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HHcues033699 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.45] (helo=wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DByxT-00022D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I DO knit and would welcome your "recipe"! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: M Stewart Sent: Mar 17, 2005 8:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Too bad that you don't knit... I could have sent you my recipie for this hat... ah well. Back to the leprosy bandages. Bridgette >. > >Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, >unfortunately. > Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 13:58:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HIwW91030653 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HIvIZj026717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HIv2E3009745; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:57:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HIuvDu009608 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:56:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so3539535wra for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=cLmey5xGINTV/02XUo+1x8YdQhwtoOS4UbIxLJ2apmQlPYRAC0jA5uWk5OmqOFvDJM2lezFMxOdKU6m9Zz21JhC4Aqk9by44ypxBtmIts7Bcac8nj2SJdD1JS74lmWgwuZN1Fy9tfcryg1QDhZqYmTVKINU03f5bkOJurJYtjoI= Received: by 10.54.51.78 with SMTP id y78mr121121wry; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c050317105660d05423@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:56:36 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap In-Reply-To: <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Me too (although I'm no more than a passable knitter). Would it be something you could send to the list or put onto a website somewhere? I figure any mistakes I might make would disappear in the felting process. And what leprosy bandages? LynnD On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00), ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > I DO knit and would welcome your "recipe"! > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > -----Original Message----- > From: M Stewart > Sent: Mar 17, 2005 8:31 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap > > Too bad that you don't knit... I could have sent you my recipie for this > hat... ah well. Back to the leprosy bandages. > Bridgette > > >. > > > >Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, > >unfortunately. > > > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:15:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKFZIb031151 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:15:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKEcZj007141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKEQME084486; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKEKY3084406 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:14:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2HKEH7t010433 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050317150910.01e7dc48@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:14:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap In-Reply-To: <8296995c050317105660d05423@mail.gmail.com> References: <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I have been planning to post this to my web site for - gack - ages. Guess I'll have to get myself to do it. ; > Although - I warn everyone... I don't knit to a pattern... more general outlines - that's why I call it a recipie. I just learned that way. And the leprosy bandages are... http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html I figure I devote so much of my time to handwork for my hobby - it was only right / good karma/ cosmically advisable to devote some time to those who need help. So I finish one project, then I knit a bandage & think about the next project. Mari / Bridgette >Me too (although I'm no more than a passable knitter). Would it be >something you could send to the list or put onto a website somewhere? >I figure any mistakes I might make would disappear in the felting >process. > >And what leprosy bandages? > >LynnD > >On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00), >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > I DO knit and would welcome your "recipe"! > > > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKRuJu031219 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKR1Zj008882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKQwPn096481; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:26:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKQtZj096402 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0912376FF for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:26:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t2p443.socket.net [64.85.217.189]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75703D4CB for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:26:53 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:27:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050317093339.4EA6B395C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The corset pattern I believe is 1800s (gibson girl era?). The court dress is suppose to be 1700s. The new wench outfit looks good as the pattern will make it easier to remove the darts . :) De -----Original Message----- My 2c worth: Actually, I thought that it looked like there *were* stays under the dress - probably made with the stay pattern which is right next to it in the online catalogue. http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.list.10013.x=1 Joannah. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:42:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKgeS5031310 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:42:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKfiZj010719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKfehP010592; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:41:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKfX9J010500 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7519402E5 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 809A53969; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... X-Originating-Ip: [64.136.27.229] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCOet9AAdt/gEAAAAB,707ae23d6430a046dcc360381c124927 Message-Id: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Personally, if that had been me, I would have used the portrait to bash the artists head in. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Wicked Frau wrote: From: Wicked Frau Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0700 Cc: TheRenaissanceTailor , "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: [h-cost] New to me portrait... Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > > http://www.6URL.com/DVG > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:49:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKnR1J031344 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:49:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKmKZj011531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKmGuJ017241; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2HKm8f9017042 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2005 20:48:01 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050317204645.014bd428@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:48:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume In-Reply-To: References: <20050317093339.4EA6B395C@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:27 17/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >The corset pattern I believe is 1800s (gibson girl era?). The court dress is >suppose to be 1700s. >The new wench outfit looks good as the pattern will make it easier to remove >the darts . :) No, the corset pattern is very similar to a corset in Norah Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines, of about 1780, although it has been altered to lace up the front. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:54:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKrxwu031367 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:53:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKrHZj012558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:53:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKrFHr021980; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKrCuM021870 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so3575938wra for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:53:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=E9upBSMc8QUbkDQ6NrQzU69FmMaf5XIlMEfEwY5lQJS5l/5YVDilF0Slmp4I98wE1e8p3CDHNyiR1Ho/oLf5BoMjAZ9HQ+rVBZnU1uw78nhBuAeHSZzUi6ys4WOGsirD4MWeTJpEYaXJYu9oJVd6ZMFAuZNxbhDrlxfJ/i3e6Sg= Received: by 10.54.35.69 with SMTP id i69mr1034320wri; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.37.33 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:53:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:53:06 -0800 From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... In-Reply-To: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And yet, who knows what she really looked like? The artist may have shaved 15 years and 30 pounds from reality in this portrait. (Although I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body.) LynnD On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:41:33 -0800 (PST), Lalah wrote: > Personally, if that had been me, I would have used the portrait to bash the artists head in. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > --- Wicked Frau wrote: > > From: Wicked Frau > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0700 > Cc: TheRenaissanceTailor , > "h-costume@indra.com" > Subject: [h-cost] New to me portrait... > > Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > > > > > http://www.6URL.com/DVG _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 15:56:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HKucqL031381 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:56:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HKtiZj012796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKtcub024253; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKtYTQ024126 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078A53C77D for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:54:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4239EEC6.6050907@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:34 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Look at butterick's new costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > The corset pattern I believe is 1800s (gibson girl era?). The court dress is > suppose to be 1700s. The pattern numbered 4484 has a corset which compares favorably with pictures of corsets (stays, whatever) from the late 1700's that I have seen. The shape of the late 1800's is less cylindrical and more hourglass. Butterick 4254 seems to have the exact same pattern plus one I would place solidly in the mid 1800's. Unfortunately too few patterns get labelled with what period they are supposed to represent, and when they are labelled they're wrong. Lately with the corset patterns they don't tell you which dress(es) they are meant to go with, though sometimes you can guess. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 16:01:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HL1ww7031405 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:01:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HL0sZj013343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:00:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HL0kfq029358; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:00:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HL0adO029115 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.110] (pm7-110.eos.net [205.133.149.110]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2HL0MUC029856 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:00:23 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:54:33 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503171237.j2HCbMva082876@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pewter spoons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I can give a hearty recommendation to www.pewterreplicas.com. Steve Millinham's work is GREAT. I bought his apostle spoon set and a 1600s-style watch, and they were both gorgeous. He was easy to work with even from across the pond. No relation, just a satisfied customer, etc. I've also bought a number of things from Billy and Charlie (www.billyandcharlie.com), though in person and not by mail or web. Their things are also nice, and my husband and I use a lot of their pilgrim badges, belt fittings, and spoons. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 16:26:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HLQaTw031512 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HLP4Zj016066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HLOj1x052280; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (esmtp.socket.net [216.106.88.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HLObkd052152 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:24:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5600B37776 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:24:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t3p389.socket.net [64.85.221.135]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EDCDC424 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:24:36 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New to me portrait... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:24:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006101c52aee$3eadfca0$705183d1@rmitchellras> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ya think maybe the artist had a problem with perspective. BIG BODY, little head. De -----Original Message----- Sheese! She needs a bumroll? Kathleen > Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > > > > > http://www.6URL.com/DVG > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 16:31:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HLVmRK031536 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:31:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HLSGb1016375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKxPlH028073; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HKxNgU027997 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:59:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27862 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:13:01 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... In-Reply-To: <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Lynn Downward wrote: > And yet, who knows what she really looked like? The artist may have > shaved 15 years and 30 pounds from reality in this portrait. (Although > I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body.) And the artist might have been her best friend's son or some other family member or friend still learning how to paint portraits. There are unskilled artists in every period! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 17:08:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HM82qv031740 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HM7KZj020290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:07:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HM6cih091654; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:06:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HM6YTR091589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:06:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2HM0xmT013270 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:00:59 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:00:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4239FF68.8020407@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06:32 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... References: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > Although > I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body. Hard to say. Those of us who are fairly fat look like we have small heads in proportion to our bodies. The body on the lady in the painting is clearly very sturdy; the artist may have registered that proportion thing but been unable to compensate for it; as Robin intimated, not every painter was a master. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 17:26:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HMQ4Mc031863 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HMPDZj022107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:25:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HMO1Wt007497; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HMNejW007254 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF3C3C77D for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:22:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423A036E.4080802@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:23:42 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... References: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> <4239FF68.8020407@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <4239FF68.8020407@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> http://www.6URL.com/DVG >> Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? *snip* > as Robin intimated, not > every painter was a master. > Somebody liked the painting well enough to keep it, and not re-use the canvas for another portrait. Some of my most cherished photographs are, artistically, miserable pictures, but I keep them anyway. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 17:38:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HMcKWs031919 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:38:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HMbGZj023364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HMbCBm019383; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HMb7KE019153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:37:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 10587 invoked by uid 507); 18 Mar 2005 09:36:56 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 09:36:56 +1100 Message-ID: <00a401c52b41$d29780a0$0302a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050317140912.47241.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due forre-release-Embroidery book from V&A Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:36:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Hi, > > www.powellbooks.com has it for 24.95 new... > > Chris G. > Hmmm. Just my luck. They're on backorder, and airmail would cost me US$34 to Australia. The sea mail is only US$8, but it takes ages. Patience is a virtue! I'm too busy to do anything with it for ages (we're getting rid of my husband's uncle's effects after his death last year - he collected things (OCD). We had 1000 country and old time music albums, mostly vinyl. 900 assorted boxing magazines! Film cameras, 8mm and 16mm movie cameras and a heap of darkroom equipment, and a couple of thousand books on these specialised subjects. Because he had a range of improperly treated mental illnesses, he also had every piece of paper he'd ever written a list or note to himself on, every bit of junk mail, old newspapers in stacks, the lot. Not much was sorted, so we spent from Nov to now sorting everything. Erk! Now we've got our garage half full of stuff we have to find ways to sell. Oh well, no rest for the wicked! I've also been sewing a lovely masque outfit for the end of lent masque at the Australian Mediaeval Conferention (it's a bit of both). I'll put up some photos from the night, as it's a 9 hour drive from here, I have to have it packable flat, so the final assembly will take place down there. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 18:31:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2HNVf3R032187 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2HNSHaR028437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HN7Tj9046960; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2HN7QIk046814 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 93552 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2005 23:07:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20050317230720.93550.qmail@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.194] by web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:07:20 EST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:07:20 +1100 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due forre-release-Embroidery book from V&A To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO --- glendarob@exemail.com.au wrote: > Hmmm. Just my luck. They're on backorder, and airmail would cost me > US$34 to > Australia. The sea mail is only US$8, but it takes ages. Patience is > a virtue! That's the only way I can afford to buy stuff from the US or UK. The V&A book was sent via sea mail. I've got a copy of Lace: A History coming from the UK (4 weeks down, 2 to go!) and Patterns of Fashion 1&2 also being sent via sea mail. It makes it much more affordable. :-) Donna Bella Lucia da Verona - Innilgard, Lochac ©Any intellectual material in this message is copyright Anabella Wake (Bella Lucia da Verona) ***The MARCH Italian Showcase is now online!*** http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 19:32:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I0W6tL032367 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I0VEZj004399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I0V5cj019593; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from leopard.mail.utk.edu (leopard.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I0V21c019510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by leopard.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I0fnYj004573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:41:49 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:30:59 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... Message-ID: <42410CEC@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Lynn Downward wrote: > > > Although > > I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body. > > Hard to say. Those of us who are fairly fat look like we have small > heads in proportion to our bodies. The body on the lady in the painting > is clearly very sturdy; the artist may have registered that proportion > thing but been unable to compensate for it; as Robin intimated, not > every painter was a master. > But Licinio is considered by many to be a Master. This was also a style of painting. Many of Licinio's other female portraits also show this anomoly of proportion. Think about the portrait of Eleanora of Toledo by Bronzino and how small her head is in relationship to her torso. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 20:23:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I1NpD8032623 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I1NHZj008299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:23:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I1Moa1057335; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I1MkTO057244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I2aNRG008530 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:36:23 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:22:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503172022.40383.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 March 2005 4:14 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >>> cathy@thyrsus.com 15/03/2005 04:18:15 >>> wrote: > > > >Costume Connection makes a pattern that, though not terribly authentic > > in cut, > > >is simple to put together and doesn't require a lot of fitting (if you > > use > > >it, make sure your guy wears a large belt over the "doublet" > > part--don't wear > > >it the way the envelope shows. Patterns of Time carries it, among > > other > > >places; it's on this page on their site: > > > >http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat44.html > > Why a belt? The fashionable look of the time was for the "waist" to be > at the level of the lower ribs, so wearing a waist belt would completely > spoil the effect. That's why they wore their sword on a baldrick over > the shoulder. > Aesthetics. The CC pattern really looks stupid without one, doubtless because the torso portion is nothing more than a series of strips, only connected down to mid-chest level. It *has* no waist at all. As I said originally, the CC pattern is not an authentic cut, but it is extremely simple to put together and looks okay, with the caveat I mentioned. I have not had the opportunity to try the Reconstructing History pattern (it didn't yet exist the last time I had to do 17th c outfits) but it's doubtless preferable. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 20:54:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I1s3Gl032740 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I1r8Zj010869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I1r1mp078550; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I1qw3c078498 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.123] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DC6fZ-0008Gq-8V for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <00d201c52b5d$3337b950$7b159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050317230720.93550.qmail@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Standard reference work due forre-release-Embroiderybook from V&A Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:52:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b5c7ca35b8b26efb3a5b4be611a632139350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.123 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ask your vendor if they can do USPS Global Priority Mail; you can have the book in 4-6 days for about the same amount or less than sea mail. All the US to Australia shipping categories and rates are on this page: http://pe.usps.gov/text/imm/immicl/immiclab_012.html GPM has a maximum weight of 4 lbs, but most books would manage to fit that limit. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 21:11:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I2Bghc000398 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:11:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I2B2Zj011961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I2AwPb090780; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I2AuSt090723 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LM1H9LC5LSIWIU2I@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:10:50 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LM19PRE9D0IXQVVT@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:34:49 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:35:07 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... In-reply-to: <423A036E.4080802@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423A061B.8090609@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <20050317204133.809A53969@sitemail.everyone.net> <8296995c05031712531d09234a@mail.gmail.com> <4239FF68.8020407@thibault.org> <423A036E.4080802@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: > > >>> http://www.6URL.com/DVG > Somebody liked the painting well enough to keep it, and not re-use the > canvas for another portrait. > > Some of my most cherished photographs are, artistically, miserable > pictures, but I keep them anyway. > We should probably keep in mind, too, that we've never actually met the sitter. She might have thought it very flattering. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 17 22:09:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I39IcH000651 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:09:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I38RZj016467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I38LFm031550; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I37stj031217 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.137] (pm7-137.eos.net [205.133.149.137]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2I37pUC025833 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:07:52 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:02:00 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503180153.j2I1r3P4078573@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: happy sitter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Wicked Frau > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:33:13 -0700 > Cc: TheRenaissanceTailor , > "h-costume@indra.com" > Subject: [h-cost] New to me portrait... > > Sheese! Do you think the sitter was happy with the result? > >> >> http://www.6URL.com/DVG >> Boy you people are picky! She looks fine to me. I assume the body was either stock or painted by a different person than the head, so the head is too small. But not everyone is dainty and little! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 00:07:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I57Fre001171 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:07:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I56VZj025120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I56EIg013188; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo2.socket.net (mo2.socket.net [216.106.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I56BSd013152 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo2.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E4A35438 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p361.socket.net [64.85.215.107]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6637D3E2 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:09 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New to me portrait... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <423A061B.8090609@paradise.net.nz> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is it possible that this is one of those psychological things were you paint what your mind is on bigger then everything else? Or the subconsciously painting the artist's opinion of women. sturdy body for birthing and very little upstairs? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 01:33:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I6Xl0i001475 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I6WoZj000831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I6WdDl069203; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I6WNF3069100 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2I6K2Cj011995 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:20:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:18:01 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <20050317093339.4EA6B395C@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] an interesting website X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I would argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting nonetheless. http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 04:00:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I90bXB002023 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:00:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I87vZj006013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I87jFa030718; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:07:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I86M2J029619 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from triade@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0663.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.82.152]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9313BE66C for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:06:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <423A8BF1.4030900@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:06:09 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1885 male pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I want to make an Archery outfit for my husband. And I was wondering if there were any patterns. I don't know much aboud this era but I would like to make it as correct as possible. This is the Jacket I want to recreate. http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14979&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=Sports%20and%20Leisure Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 04:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2I94QsR002305 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:04:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2I82cZj005752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I82VdQ027446; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:02:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I82MF4027344 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:02:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2I82JWa014150 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:02:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318012935.00c01868@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:37:31 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Check this combo out! In-Reply-To: <001d01c52aea$fb3b79a0$0301010a@michaela> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050317044827.00c35f58@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 01:15 AM 3/18/2005 +1300, you wrote: > > Thanks Sue! I was going to say something similar. In textual sources > > I've looked at, you will see plenty or references to shirts or smocks but > > almost none to partlets - and they are usually described as made of > velvet or >satin. > >This isn't textual evidence, but in at least two woodcuts (one of peasants >and one of camp followers) you can see gathered partlets worn over the >dress/kirtle of German women. Interesting, I would like to see them. However, you have to keep in mind that different things were worn in different countries at this time. Admittedly I did not specify England (my obsession so I sometimes forget that everyone can't read my mind ) and the portrait in question it is most likely either English or Netherlandish. However, I lean toward English origin. Anyway, my opinion derives from looking at a couple of thousand English documents so it is a valid perspective on clothing in what appears to be an English portrait. Unfortunately, what is worn in a German woodcut isn't likely to have as much bearing on what an English woman, or even Netherlandish woman is wearing at that time. >The peasants can be found at lacma's collectiosn online (by Beham), and I do >believe I saw some on another site. The mp follower can be found on Marion >McNealy's site. I'm not sure if that specific woodcut is seen on other >sites.) Thanks. I will see if I can track them down. >These are clearly worn over other garments, and are cut longer than Flemish >partlets worn over kirtles leter in the century. > >I haven't seen them worn under a gollar, but then in this instance they may >be used for different purposes: protection of the skin from the sun in one >case and proctection from the cold in the other. > >michaela de bruce >http://glittersweet.com >I am in the nuttign out stage of making a gathered partlet. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 07:20:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ICKjaR004178 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ICHMZj029710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICGlAf004297; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2HFTdwo008296 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from edieann@telus.net) Received: from moms ([154.5.142.106]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050317152931.CVMJ10167.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@moms> for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:29:31 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c52b06$c6924500$6a8e059a@bc.hsia.telus.net> From: "Edith Reardon" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com><200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20050317083050.01dc4360@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:34:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you willing to share it with me I can knit and would love the pattern Brin Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Too bad that you don't knit... I could have sent you my recipie for this hat... ah well. Back to the leprosy bandages. Bridgette >. > >Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, >unfortunately. > Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 07:48:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ICms9K004364 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:48:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ICm9Zj002998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICm1vQ023837; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:48:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2I5pV4H042998 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m20.in-tch.com [216.166.191.20]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2I5lfo05322 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:47:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <423A6D9E.8090903@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:56:46 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap References: <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <200503150524.j2F5Nh4m025849@net.indra.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20050317083050.01dc4360@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050317083050.01dc4360@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do, though! (hint, hint) I'm finding that I just *love* to knit! ;-D Having historical costuming interests just makes it that much worse! --sue M Stewart wrote: > > Too bad that you don't knit... I could have sent you my recipie for > this hat... ah well. Back to the leprosy bandages. > Bridgette > >> . >> >> Thanks for the other responses, on- and off-list, but I don't knit, >> unfortunately. >> > > Mari Stewart _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 07:52:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ICqTl5004378 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:52:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ICpmZj003252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICpmMH026529; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:51:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICpj0x026442 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AEDA57F900CC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:51:38 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Mar 05 12:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c52bb9$6e623080$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net><32570622.1111081135777.JavaMail.root@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.2.20050317150910.01e7dc48@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:53:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (One of the ladies in the Mission Society at church used to come to meeting with her leprosy bandage knitting in her bag. It always made me think of Madame Lafarge knitting while watching the Heads Roll.) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap > > Actually, I have been planning to post this to my web site for - gack - > ages. Guess I'll have to get myself to do it. ; > > Although - I warn everyone... I don't knit to a pattern... more general > outlines - that's why I call it a recipie. I just learned that way. And > the leprosy bandages are... > http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html > I figure I devote so much of my time to handwork for my hobby - it was only > right / good karma/ cosmically advisable to devote some time to those who > need help. So I finish one project, then I knit a bandage & think about > the next project. > Mari / Bridgette > > >Me too (although I'm no more than a passable knitter). Would it be > >something you could send to the list or put onto a website somewhere? > >I figure any mistakes I might make would disappear in the felting > >process. > > > >And what leprosy bandages? > > > >LynnD > > > >On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00), > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I DO knit and would welcome your "recipe"! > > > > > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 07:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ICtOqZ004399 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:55:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ICsFZj003513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICsCZB028302; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ICmBJf023861 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:48:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE011C4F00BE; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:48:01 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Mar 05 12:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c52bb8$ed33d0e0$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00eb01c52af5$f0986340$705183d1@rmitchellras> <00cb01c52b00$b3d2faf0$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Subject: Re: [h-cost] old film Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:49:28 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you Penny for this perspective. I spend a lot of time viewing old films and have been aware of many of the points you made. Adrian has been one of my favorite designers! ( I have one of his "little Black dresses" in my collection). Another thought I had yesterday re "Marie Antoinette" that doing the 'past fantasy' interpretation for that time period would have been in keeping with the aesthetic mode prevalent in the film industry in the 1930's. Movies were for entertainment. When they were also dabbling with History they were breaking new ground in trying to bring visual life to the eye that had only a two dimensional static presentation available before. I can see how this connects with the futuristic fantasy that "Star Wars" presented in the 1970's. I remember an earlier film of space travel (1955?) that was a wake-up of sorts to me as to the reality of film depictions. It was a "they got it all wrong" moment. While such projects done with cartoons (Captain Marval) could fudge on travel and conditions, motion pictures of real life could not take the same liberties. Eve when it was fantasy. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] old film > Kathleen, > > You have to remember that the available resources to historic documentation > was very limited during the 1930s. This was Adrian's, the film's costume > designer, most acclaimed film. I personally think his work on "The Great > Ziegfeld" was his best work. > > The resources I have found in period publications is over-whelming. There > is just so much, thanks to eBay! Before the internet, available sources > were so limited. Some of the publications I have found have not been seen > in such a long time. The more that is found and re-published, the more > insight we have as to how past generations dressed. > > Just like with wonderful people like you who long their collections to > people like me. You loaning your collections helps educators and designers > pass along the correct information. They educate their students/interns, > and their students educate future generations. > > When I was taking my film history classes in college, a good couple of good > points were made. In the mid 1970s there was a new search for historical > accuracy and the truth being presented in films, literature, history itself. > Directors wanted to make their films more period accurate. This was because > of all that was occurring in history at the time, that a search for the > truth was wanted by the viewing public. Directors picked up on this and > started a new trend in the film making industry. Now if you look at the > films of the time (1970s), you laugh, but this occurred none the less. This > new trend does not occur overnight, it is a slow transition. It takes many, > many years to make a change. You do have to agree that some, not all, films > are being presented with a little more accuracy than say the films of the > 1930s. During the 1970s, the old film studio heads were still in power. > The moguls wanted things to stay the same. Also during the 1970s, you saw > the new generation of film makers and costume designers. As both have > matured, you find that they have learned and researched more. See what I > mean about the change taking time. Now in 2005, a lot of the 1930s moguls > are gone and the ones from the 60s and 70s are the senior powers-to-be. We > subscribe to the Hollywood rags mags that publishes illnesses and death > notice. The old moguls are dying off a pretty fast pace. > > The other day, I saw a show with George Lucus. It seems so unreal that he > has aged so. I keep thinking of him from when he first came out with Star > Wars in my mind. Now he is one of the senior power-to-be of Hollywood. But > just think of all that he and Spielberg have done for advancement in the > industry. > > Something to also look at is who are the new generation of costume designers > and how well do they research. A new generation, Deanna Appel, who was the > costume designer, did such an outstanding job on the first couple of Austin > Powers films, especially the first one. She did some heavy research for her > films. > > When you look at older films, you need to keep the perspective of what > historic costume resources did they have available. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 08:03:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ID3DtG005271 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:03:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ID2fZj003950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:02:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ID2c68033868; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ID2YnX033788 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A16463690064; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:02:28 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.106 ([209.131.81.106] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Mar 05 13:02:25 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c52bba$f1ad3920$6a5183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <423A8BF1.4030900@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 1885 male pattern Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:03:52 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This strikes me as generally, a plain cutaway jacket that buttons all the way up, and with a leather facing on the left sleeve. It is hard to see the back. I will check my "Gent's Tailor" latter and see if it has particular instructions for such garb. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 1885 male pattern > Hi, > > I want to make an Archery outfit for my husband. > And I was wondering if there were any patterns. > I don't know much aboud this era but I would like to make it as correct > as possible. > This is the Jacket I want to recreate. > http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14979&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=Sports%20and%20Leisure > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 08:58:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IDw9uo005620 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:58:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IDv7Zj007587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IDuwX5071330; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IDuv1N071225 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:56:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28288 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2005 13:56:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050318135651.28286.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:56:51 PST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:56:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503180153.j2I1r3P5078573@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Big Body, Little head X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... And yet, who knows what she really looked like? The artist may have shaved 15 years and 30 pounds from reality in this portrait. (Although I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body.) LynnD >From my art history courses...In the US I seem to remember in the early 1800's there was a trend?techique? (the right word escapes me) for itinerant portraits paintes to paint clothed bodies in the slow season and then travel. The sitters would pick the picture with a set of clothes they liked and them the painter would fill in the head. Could this represent something like that? Also body painted by apprentice/student...the number of permutations that occur to me are large Mia in CHarlotte --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:16:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEGsZG005753 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IEFtZj009009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEFqAU085177; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEFou2085121 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:15:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2IEFk8T022226 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050318091304.01dd21f0@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:15:45 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <20050318135651.28286.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200503180153.j2I1r3P5078573@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Big Body, Little head X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO And also - don't forget that many artists were playing with perspective devices and not always being able to get the whole image in one go. Read David Hockney's "Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters" Gives a far more coherant explanation of the perspective problems in paintings of this time. Mari / Bridgette >And yet, who knows what she really looked like? The artist may have >shaved 15 years and 30 pounds from reality in this portrait. (Although >I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body.) >LynnD > > > >From my art history courses...In the US I seem to remember in the early > 1800's there was a trend?techique? (the right word escapes me) for > itinerant portraits paintes to paint clothed bodies in the slow season > and then travel. The sitters would pick the picture with a set of > clothes they liked and them the painter would fill in the head. Could > this represent something like that? > >Also body painted by apprentice/student...the number of permutations that >occur to me are large > >Mia in CHarlotte Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEMmuk005777 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:22:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IELlZj010121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IELf1s091496; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IELdsK091463 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCIM6-0003R2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:21:38 -0800 Message-ID: <423AE3F4.4060105@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:21:40 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow! This is such a great idea. We've been trying to hint hint to the costume curator at Phoenix Art museum to do some thing similar. Maybe if some other museum is doing it, it might have more meaning. Sg Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > Greetings, > > In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this > neat site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. > I would argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting > nonetheless. > > http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html > > Cheers, > Danielle > > Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com > Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:25:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEPItR005785 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IEOeZj010423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:24:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEOcTW093768; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:24:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IENohM093173 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCIOD-00040j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <423AE478.8040300@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:23:52 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh! If you go backwards to check the rest of the website out, we find that these are theater costumes. Still very cool. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:31:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEV1fO005817 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:31:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IEUMZj010843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEUJaU097868; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEUGc6097725 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A5F19056005C; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:30:09 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.112 ([209.131.81.112] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Mar 05 14:30:08 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c52bc7$31d42480$705183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:31:35 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you for finding this site! What a great way to practice one's French. Some of the items seem to be antique and in possession of various theaters. I find it interesting that following the aesthetic of a given design period one can almost date the interpretive costume produced. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] an interesting website > Greetings, > > In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat > site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I would > argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting nonetheless. > > http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html > > Cheers, > Danielle > > Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com > Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEgigv005886 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IEfeZj011855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEfYXc007299; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IEfVag007196 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 14:41:25 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318143809.014bd4d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:41:35 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website In-Reply-To: <002401c52bc7$31d42480$705183d1@rmitchellras> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:31 18/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Thank you for finding this site! What a great way to practice one's French. >Some of the items seem to be antique and in possession of various theaters. >I find it interesting that following the aesthetic of a given design period >one can almost date the interpretive costume produced. > > > > > In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat > > site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I would > > argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting nonetheless. > > > > http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html > > There is a similar collection in Copenhagen - Bjarne probably knows it. Only these are theatre costumes from the 18th and 19th centuries. The 19th century Henry Vlll is fascinating. The book with these pictures, not presently available - is long out of print, but gives some patterns too. Same author, Ellen Andersen, as the 18th and 19th century costume books which have such lovely pictures and patterns in. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 09:51:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IEpkJi005967 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:51:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IEnSZj012392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEnPM0013324; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:49:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IEnLAd013183 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id AA6B418E010A; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:49:15 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.5]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:49:14 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c52bc9$a8e3a800$05542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 14:49:15.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[A79E56C0:01C52BC9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think these are modern theater costumes. Notwithstanding the amazing preservation of their "middle ages" outfits, the more recent era stuff is somewhat less than strictly period. Could serve as inspiration for costuming ideas, though, if you want to look at it that way. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] an interesting website Greetings, In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I would argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting nonetheless. http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 10:37:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IFbVT2006186 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IFaKZj016914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFa4FR052464; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IFZtFs052261 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:35:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 15:35:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:35:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <4236DB28.7020308@earthlink.net> References: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thought some of you might be interested in this site. Much to my astonishment, I find one of my own costumes on there, but that is not the reason for the mention. He has some interesting resources, and references, if you don't already know them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 10:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IFlQlm006238 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IFkiZj018075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFkf3L062078; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFkZgC061906 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A7D359500DA; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.116 ([209.131.81.116] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 18 Mar 05 15:46:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c52bd1$db4ddec0$745183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c52bc9$a8e3a800$05542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:47:53 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Most of them are, but I believe that I have spotted a few that preserve the hall marks of the original style...and show fabric wear consistent with old cloth.When possible they have listed the designer and construction crew, and as I have suggested, one can date the interpretation of the antique style by the aesthetics of the time period of the production ie.,1970, 1958, and such. I guess this might be a good starting point to see how the development of Historical Costume has developed in the 20th-21st Centuries. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website > I think these are modern theater costumes. Notwithstanding the amazing > preservation of their "middle ages" outfits, the more recent era stuff > is somewhat less than strictly period. Could serve as inspiration for > costuming ideas, though, if you want to look at it that way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] an interesting website > > Greetings, > > In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat > site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I > would > argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting > nonetheless. > > http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html > > Cheers, > Danielle > > Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com > Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 10:49:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IFnaUC006256 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IFmqZj018241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFmpUP063958; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFmlsV063906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2IFhAmT021563 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:43:10 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:43:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423AF85D.60204@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:48:45 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site References: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, you forgot the URL, honey! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 10:50:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IFoQDb006266 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IFncZj018343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFnboE064678; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca (ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.50.127]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IFkoqF062173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lbmorloc@artsmail.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca (localhost.uwaterloo.ca [127.0.0.1]) by ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IFknAG086139 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lbmorloc@artsmail.uwaterloo.ca) Received: (from www@localhost) by ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j2IFknDO086138 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lbmorloc@artsmail.uwaterloo.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: ecserv7.uwaterloo.ca: www set sender to lbmorloc@artsmail.uwaterloo.ca using -f Received: from 65.93.214.25 ( [65.93.214.25]) as user lbmorloc@artsmail.uwaterloo.ca by www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1111160809.423af7e97c7df@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:49 -0500 From: Laura Morlock To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site References: <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 / FreeBSD-4.6.2 X-Originating-IP: 65.93.214.25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I would certainly be, but I don't see a link in your message. I'm a university student, and am one of the people in charge of Orientation Week next year. Our faculty's theme is Pirates, and I want to go all out on the costumes (be in costume history, as I am). Thanks Laura -- "As long as hunger exists, peace cannot prevail." Nobel Peace Prize winner Willy Brandt -- www.thehungersite.com Quoting Suzi Clarke : > > Thought some of you might be interested in this site. Much to my > astonishment, I find one of my own costumes on there, but that is not the > reason for the mention. He has some interesting resources, and references, > if you don't already know them. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ---------------------------------------- This mail sent through www.mywaterloo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:01:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IG19HU006365 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IG0LZj019443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IG09hh074018; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:00:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IFxkr0073681 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:59:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 15:59:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318155830.014bcb48@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:59:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site In-Reply-To: <1111160809.423af7e97c7df@www.nexusmail.uwaterloo.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:46 18/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I would certainly be, but I don't see a link in your message. >I'm a university student, and am one of the people in charge of Orientation >Week next year. Our faculty's theme is Pirates, and I want to go all out >on the >costumes (be in costume history, as I am). > > > Thought some of you might be interested in this site. Much to my > > astonishment, I find one of my own costumes on there, but that is not the > > reason for the mention. He has some interesting resources, and references, > > if you don't already know them. Sorry, having a no-brain day! www,gentlemenoffortune.com Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:02:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IG249G006369 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IG1KZj019519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IG1KRS075070; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IG1HHh074958 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:01:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 16:01:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318160005.015bd278@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:01:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site In-Reply-To: <423AF85D.60204@thibault.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 10:48 18/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Suzi, you forgot the URL, honey! Not unusual! Trying again www.gentlemenoffortune.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:27:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IGR8AJ006755 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:27:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IGQOZj022304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGQGUW099142; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGQCgu099055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2IGKZmT022615 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:20:35 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:20:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423B0122.4070909@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:10 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318160005.015bd278@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318160005.015bd278@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Not unusual! Trying again > > www.gentlemenoffortune.com Bummer -- their women's section link is nonoperational or not up yet. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Early biological weapons: 184 BC: In a sea battle, Hannibal of Carthage hurled clay pots full of vipers onto the decks of enemy ships. - WebMD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:35:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IGZrAq006846 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:35:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IGZQZj023372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGZMZO007894; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2IGZEnZ007719 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:35:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 16:35:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318163430.014bcda8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:35:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A "Pirate" reference site In-Reply-To: <423B0122.4070909@thibault.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050318160005.015bd278@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <20050315053320.58162.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318153416.01579c68@127.0.0.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20050318160005.015bd278@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:26 18/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>Not unusual! Trying again >>www.gentlemenoffortune.com > >Bummer -- their women's section link is nonoperational or not up yet. I have mailed Greg about this, so something may be done. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:53:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IGrRS1007090 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IGqGZj025240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGq9Ne024657; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGq5NE024506 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.8.648004c3 (18555) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <8.648004c3.2f6c6121@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:51:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thanks for the books, Brenda. Also:more Flemish hats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Brenda: Sorry to reply on-list, but I lost your address and I wanted to let you know I got the books just fine. I LOVE the Bruegel book! Those of you who are studying the hats in these paintings, I have a theory I'd like you to examine and tell me if I'm wrong. In some of his paintings (The Peasant Wedding and The Wedding Dance in the Open Air, most vividly) you see hats that look almost like a bowler hat, with a big round crown and a small brim. On a couple of these, it looks like the brim is split. So I'm wondering if some of the other hats in these paintings are the same hat, only with half of the brim flipped down, flipped up, or entirely removed. Specifically, in the Peasant Wedding, the guy with the red hat holding the tray of pies would be wearing the hat with the front brim flipped up and the back brim flipped down. The little girl sitting at bottom to his left seems to be wearing a flat cap, but it obviously has a split brim too, so maybe it's the same hat collapsed on itself because it's too big for her. In The Wedding Dance, the bagpipe player has both brims flipped down, but you can see where they split. Sorry I don't have a website so I can show you the pictures I'm looking at. Here are some links to other people's sites: The Peasant Wedding: _http://ruralworlds.msses.ru/zavalinka/gallery/images/Bruegel-Peasant-Wedding.JPG_ (http://ruralworlds.msses.ru/zavalinka/gallery/images/Bruegel-Peasant-Wedding.JPG) The Wedding Dance: _http://www.dia.org/collections/EuropeanPaintings/images/30.374.jpg_ (http://www.dia.org/collections/EuropeanPaintings/images/30.374.jpg) Thanks for all the responses! And I'd love to see any pictures of people's knitted hats. Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 11:58:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IGwK8t007113 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:58:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IGvXZj025834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGvTp6029760; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IGvHiS029561 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:57:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04728 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:10:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:10:56 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website In-Reply-To: <001001c52bc9$a8e3a800$05542fd8@Sandra> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Sandra Olsen wrote: > I think these are modern theater costumes. Notwithstanding the amazing > preservation of their "middle ages" outfits, the more recent era stuff > is somewhat less than strictly period. Could serve as inspiration for > costuming ideas, though, if you want to look at it that way. The home page says that there are 136,000 items in the collection, and that 80% are "authentic" period pieces. The medieval are of course theatre costumes (the production information is listed with some of them) and bear no earthly resemblance to anything of that period, but presumably at least some of the more recent stuff (which accounts for the vast majority of the pieces) is vintage. Unless it's vintage theatrical... in other words, there might be a 1940s theater costume of an 1880s dress, and I don't know how they're classifying or distinguishing those. They have a library and classes in costume history, too, but I'm not clear on whether it's geared to theatrical costumers. They have public exhibits, so anyone in Montreal might want to pop in. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 13:19:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IIJrBA007608 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IIIkZj005321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IIIboe008439; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IIIXCv008299 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so278317wri for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:18:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=dedHv3dOdf91F/xmQRN732LHyFpGjgxb+lGRmKIEbNy1KaXuUWTPHSx3Hm5LZhC7qGQt0S4qhmBOdQaEdNBnAsuYtexzNFQMFy7+8AMDwhnFAm8DJjp0LIyddTEgbBzimMF9WU5B3Lafm4lpFPI0670YfRxTSx/RoCqwNTZ+450= Received: by 10.54.27.79 with SMTP id a79mr38830wra; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d6sm1376192wra.2005.03.18.10.18.27; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:18:28 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F874A@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's only 15 minutes away from where I live. How could I have never heard of it before? Hopefully I'll be able to go sometime in the next few weeks. My impression of the website is that the virtual collection is all theatrical recreations to give an impression of the time period, but that the majority of the collection (offline) is vintage. So to use Robin's example a 1940s theater costume of an 1880s dress will be called theatrical 1880. If they had an extant 1880s dress it would be part of a different exhibition. I wonder how their collection compares to the McCord Museum. I'll try and give a trip report after I go of the items not online. 6000 hats, 7000 shirts, 4000 ties, 5000 pants, 5600 pairs of shoes.... Cheers, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website The home page says that there are 136,000 items in the collection, and that 80% are "authentic" period pieces. The medieval are of course theatre costumes (the production information is listed with some of them) and bear no earthly resemblance to anything of that period, but presumably at least some of the more recent stuff (which accounts for the vast majority of the pieces) is vintage. Unless it's vintage theatrical... in other words, there might be a 1940s theater costume of an 1880s dress, and I don't know how they're classifying or distinguishing those. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 15:06:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2IK6bvu008215 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2IK5ZZj016171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:05:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IK5IjG006524; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2IK5CRo006414 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCNiZ-0000ej-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:05:11 -0500 Message-ID: <29898036.1111176311824.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:05:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2IK5CRo006414 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, flash back to my college days...Our Housemother was called Mrs. Grubb (no kidding), and she was a SOUR-dispositioned old woman. She had an assistant who was equally old but very pink and cheerful, and this assistant had been asking for knitting advice from time to time from several of us (those were the days when just about every woman on campus knitted, many of us during classes!) on a cabled tennis sweater she was knitting for her grandson. One day I passed the front desk and saw Mrs. Grubb knitting, with some very fine needles and thin thread/yarn. The piece wasn't very big or recognizable yet, and I was in a grit-your-teeth-and-be-pleasant mood, so I asked her what she was knitting. She looked up with an eye as steely as her needles and said "Leper bandages." Somehow the overall impression was NOT charitable but grim as could be! That was nearly forty years ago, so you can see what an impression it made! (and I hadn't known that one knitted bandages for leprosy--gue! ss I just assumed they were sold in drugstores or something, like any other bandages--duh, drugstores in remote parts of the world--!) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Mar 18, 2005 7:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap (One of the ladies in the Mission Society at church used to come to meeting with her leprosy bandage knitting in her bag. It always made me think of Madame Lafarge knitting while watching the Heads Roll.) Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap > > Actually, I have been planning to post this to my web site for - gack - > ages. Guess I'll have to get myself to do it. ; > > Although - I warn everyone... I don't knit to a pattern... more general > outlines - that's why I call it a recipie. I just learned that way. And > the leprosy bandages are... > http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html > I figure I devote so much of my time to handwork for my hobby - it was only > right / good karma/ cosmically advisable to devote some time to those who > need help. So I finish one project, then I knit a bandage & think about > the next project. > Mari / Bridgette > > >Me too (although I'm no more than a passable knitter). Would it be > >something you could send to the list or put onto a website somewhere? > >I figure any mistakes I might make would disappear in the felting > >process. > > > >And what leprosy bandages? > > > >LynnD > > > >On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00), > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I DO knit and would welcome your "recipe"! > > > > > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 19:13:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J0D4Eu009644 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J0CCZj018309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J0Bv1L021691; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J0Bt14021582 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.99] (pm7-099.eos.net [205.133.149.99]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2J0BjUC022256 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:11:45 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:05:56 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503181425.j2IEPHHu094265@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: david hockney X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mari wrote: > > > And also - don't forget that many artists were playing with perspective > devices and not always being able to get the whole image in one go. Read > David Hockney's "Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of > the Old Masters" Gives a far more coherant explanation of the perspective > problems in paintings of this time. > > Mari / Bridgette Yes, but David Hockney made the whole thing up. I have an article on it, somewhere, which I'll dig up when I have a chance and site for you. He thought up the idea and wrote about it, but chose his evidence very carefully . . . according to this article, very few paintings of the period he talks about have any resemblance to actual drawings done with the equipment he says the Old Masters used. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 22:45:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J3jN2m010877 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J3icZj006524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:44:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J3iKEZ033031; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:44:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J3iGLA032932 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.147.41e615dd (3988) for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <147.41e615dd.2f6cfa05@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:44:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: david hockney To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2J3jN2m010877 Status: RO In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:15:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > Yes, but David Hockney made the whole thing up. And then there are his designs for Ravel's "L'enfant et les sortilèges". That huge magenta tree...what WAS he thinking????? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 23:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J4awXc011342 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J4a8Zj010219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:36:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4a46X065668; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4a3pB065597 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:35:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:35:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050318000350.00b73790@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:36:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 04:35:57.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[2532A370:01C52C3D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yeah, I looked at some of their pre-Renaissance stuff... it's WEIRD! Looks like costumes made in the 40s or 50s... I mean, 1940s or 1950s... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] an interesting website > Greetings, > > In chasing down a mysterious costuming term I stumbled across this neat > site. There are some interesting costume interpretations on it. I would > argue the authenticity of some items but they are interesting nonetheless. > > http://collections.ic.gc.ca/costume/Collection/periodes.html > > Cheers, > Danielle > > Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com > Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 23:42:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J4g1L1011390 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:42:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J4fHZj010662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4fEWv069174; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:41:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4fCPv069103 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:41:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:41:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:41:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:41:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 04:41:07.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDE29B50:01C52C3D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > They have a library and classes in costume history, too, but I'm not clear > on whether it's geared to theatrical costumers. They have public exhibits, > so anyone in Montreal might want to pop in. I'm in Montreal -- But I don't really have in interest in theater costumes... I'd rather go to McCord museum, who has a permanent collection, or Stewart museums, who frequently has costume-related exhibitions... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 23:54:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J4seJ3011480 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:54:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J4rgZj011364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:53:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4rXr8076770; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4rVpl076667 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:53:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:53:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F874A@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] an interesting website Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:53:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 04:53:26.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[961668E0:01C52C3F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I couldn't find their address, but a lot of those people are from Concordia, my ex-university. Also, my bf is a theatre set designer and he knows most of the members of the group (some by name, most he's met), some of them are teachers at UQAM (another of Montreal's universities). Those people are NOT historical costumers. They're theatre costume designers. I wouldn't expect anything even remotely close to historical accuracy. From what I know of the theatre costuming world in Montreal, anything looking period accurate is a fluke. Unless, maybe, it was meant as an Opera costume. They seem to also take in fashion students. They do give historical costume classes. I have no idea what they're worth. If it's anything like what my bf took at the time (not with them, but it's a small world), it doesn't cover half of what most of us on the lists know, and it even promotes some costuming myths we've learned to avoid. The center offers guided tours to students. I didn't see anything about permanent public exhibitions. In other words: it's great if you're interested in Theater costume as it is done in Montreal. Really not my cup of tea :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanna" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website > It's only 15 minutes away from where I live. How could I have never heard > of it before? > > Hopefully I'll be able to go sometime in the next few weeks. > > My impression of the website is that the virtual collection is all > theatrical recreations to give an impression of the time period, but that > the majority of the collection (offline) is vintage. So to use Robin's > example a 1940s theater costume of an 1880s dress will be called > theatrical > 1880. If they had an extant 1880s dress it would be part of a different > exhibition. > > I wonder how their collection compares to the McCord Museum. > > I'll try and give a trip report after I go of the items not online. 6000 > hats, 7000 shirts, 4000 ties, 5000 pants, 5600 pairs of shoes.... > > Cheers, > > Joanna > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:11 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] an interesting website > > The home page says that there are 136,000 items in the collection, and > that > 80% are "authentic" period pieces. The medieval are of course theatre > costumes (the production information is listed with some of them) and bear > no earthly resemblance to anything of that period, but presumably at least > some of the more recent stuff (which accounts for the vast majority of the > pieces) is vintage. Unless it's vintage theatrical... in other words, > there > might be a 1940s theater costume of an 1880s dress, and I don't know how > they're classifying or distinguishing those. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 18 23:56:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J4uOPF011490 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:56:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J4tEZj011526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:55:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4tEfW077936; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:55:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J4tCTQ077839 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:55:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:55:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:55:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29898036.1111176311824.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Leprosy bandages Re: [h-cost] Re: Flemish cap Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:55:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 04:55:07.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[D22837A0:01C52C3F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > and I hadn't known that one knitted bandages for leprosy Me neither. I thought leprosy was pretty easy to cure nowadays, and that they gave medication instead of bandages... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 00:17:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J5HkfH011615 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:17:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J5H3Zj013331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5GxDu091901; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav2.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5GvSh091782 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:16:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:16:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:12:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 05:16:52.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC725030:01C52C42] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Brassiere? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, I was browsing the Kyoto Costume Institute website, 1800-1820 period, and came across this... http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1800/15-000210_b What is that?? I mean, this looks like two separate corset fronts... but the edges looked finished... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 00:33:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J5XU3a011762 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J5WVZj014284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:32:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5WPBM001060; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5WMfV000960 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:32:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A3C3C791 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:31:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423BB978.9050003@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:32:40 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > I mean, this looks like two separate corset fronts... but the edges > looked finished... Hmmn. I would guess it wraps longways around the torso or across the bust. One piece on either side? It says it is boned at the bust but I can't quite tell *where* that boning is on my monitor. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 00:53:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J5rYPH011841 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J5qoZj015619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:52:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5qkiv012979; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J5qhQx012954 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-79-251.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.79.251]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J5mWbb008879 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:48:35 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050318214743.025d8208@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:52:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? In-Reply-To: <423BB978.9050003@reddawn.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>I mean, this looks like two separate corset fronts... but the edges >>looked finished... > >Hmmn. I would guess it wraps longways around the torso or across the bust. >One piece on either side? > >It says it is boned at the bust but I can't quite tell *where* that boning >is on my monitor. I think the scoop-shaped places at the wide ends are armholes, or at least half armholes. I see the boned places as being just along from these. So the narrow end would wrap around the front and tie in back, just behind the armhole-ish thing. That would deal with the "cup runneth over" problem that some women (like me) have on the sides, and would display the "girls" in front. Also, I think we're looking at both pieces upside down in the image. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 03:05:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J85Dai025676 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:05:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J84BZj024463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J83vsZ094275; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J83obv094153 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050319080344014004rbjte>; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:03:44 +0000 Message-ID: <00ce01c52c5a$2973c960$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20050318214743.025d8208@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:03:36 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Could it be some sort of orthopedic device? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 03:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2J8HudL027551 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2J8H6Zj025088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J8H14b002293; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2J8GxCO002259 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2J84aCj012750 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:04:36 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050319021008.02b83008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:16:44 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I don't know if you have the newer Kyoto Fashion book (blue cover with a funky yellow-orange-red thingy on it) it shows this on a mannequin and it makes sense then. I can't seem to find a picture of it on-line now that I want it... Anyway, it seems to be worn with a loop over each arm with the pointy part pointing toward the other arm and then wrapped around and tied. Cheers, Danielle At 12:12 AM 3/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was browsing the Kyoto Costume Institute website, 1800-1820 period, and >came across this... > >http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1800/15-000210_b > >What is that?? > >I mean, this looks like two separate corset fronts... but the edges looked >finished... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 06:13:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JBDSFZ005664 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:13:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JBCCZj017866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBBx4H003861; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBBvs2003750 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:11:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.bd.53e2c544 (4246) for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:11:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/19/2005 3:18:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dannw@mn.rr.com writes: I don't know if you have the newer Kyoto Fashion book (blue cover with a funky yellow-orange-red thingy on it) it shows this on a mannequin and it makes sense then. It is also shown on a mannequin in the original Kyoto exhibit book, "Revolution in Fashion." But I have heard some thoughts that perhaps it was an orthopedic device, and it is shown backwards on the mannequin--that the boning is supposed to be in back. Several years ago, I tried making this garment, based on the pictures in the book. I found it very difficult to wear--it did not want to stay in place, so I gave up on it. It did provide some bust shaping, but I am not particularly well-endowed. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 06:34:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JBY5CG012948 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:34:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JBX9Zj019202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBX4a6019987; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBX155019886 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBC23FF8B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id CEA0D3962; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:32:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CPA3oAAvLBwEAAAAB,28e020503f34e248733b023995d2a992 Message-Id: <20050319113256.CEA0D3962@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth is right about the zones, but multi-zone DVD players aren't all that hard to find, nor are they necessarily more expensive. My husband and I bought our multi-zone DVD player 18 months ago from J&B Hi-Fi ( which seems to have shops in every state except the Northern Territory ) for AUS$150.00-ish. Yes, it was on special, but the normal price wasn't so much dearer. It isn't a brand we had ever heard of, but it does what it is supposed to, which is to play DVDs. DVD record/write/rewrite/play on the other hand..... they are much more expensive. ( One day, one day..... ;-) ) Joannah ( in Brisbane, Australia ) --- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:38:39 +1100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose > Hi, > > http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/search.cfm > has a copy of the DVD for $11.55 - US dollars, and it says they ship > internationally (it appears from your e-mail address that you are in > Australia-?). I have never used this company, so I can't say whether they > are dependable. Hope this helps. > > Steph > Just don't buy DVDs from overseas, DVDs work in 'zones' Australia NZ the pacific and parts of Asia is one zone, the US & Canada are another zone (I'm not sure if South America is counted in the same zone as North America) Europe is another zone etc. Most DVD players you buy will only play the DVDs designed for one zone, it is possible to get multi-zone DVD players but they are hard to find and may be more expensive. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 06:34:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JBYLlW012969 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:34:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JBXIZj019235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBXIhg020162; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JBXGAS020132 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639EF40FD2 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5A06538025; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:33:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CPA38AATU2QEAAAAB,f5c373adfd22e577ead0294bb8016838 Message-Id: <20050319113316.5A06538025@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Elizabeth is right about the zones, but multi-zone DVD players aren't all that hard to find, nor are they necessarily more expensive. My husband and I bought our multi-zone DVD player 18 months ago from J&B Hi-Fi ( which seems to have shops in every state except the Northern Territory ) for AUS$150.00-ish. Yes, it was on special, but the normal price wasn't so much dearer. It isn't a brand we had ever heard of, but it does what it is supposed to, which is to play DVDs. DVD record/write/rewrite/play on the other hand..... they are much more expensive. ( One day, one day..... ;-) ) Joannah ( in Brisbane, Australia ) --- "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:38:39 +1100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Rose" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose > Hi, > > http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/search.cfm > has a copy of the DVD for $11.55 - US dollars, and it says they ship > internationally (it appears from your e-mail address that you are in > Australia-?). I have never used this company, so I can't say whether they > are dependable. Hope this helps. > > Steph > Just don't buy DVDs from overseas, DVDs work in 'zones' Australia NZ the pacific and parts of Asia is one zone, the US & Canada are another zone (I'm not sure if South America is counted in the same zone as North America) Europe is another zone etc. Most DVD players you buy will only play the DVDs designed for one zone, it is possible to get multi-zone DVD players but they are hard to find and may be more expensive. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 07:19:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JCJjbS014386 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:19:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JCIeZj022198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:18:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JCIIPa046520; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JCHYWR046077 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430534013B for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DAC1E3952; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:17:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: Joannah Hansen To: Historic Costume List X-Originating-Ip: [203.27.62.92] X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5CPBhbAArXgwEAAAAB,51a4a9162ba454db8190cc0cbff930b4 Message-Id: <20050319121731.DAC1E3952@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sorry! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry about the double post, the computer was being obstinate. :-} Joannah. _____________________________________________________________ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 08:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JD9s0b014608 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JD8uZj025429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JD8q5T075982; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JD8n28075940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2JD3BmT007323 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:03:11 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:03:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423C2460.8050400@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:08:48 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT international DVDs (was Re: [h-cost] The Slipper and the Rose) References: <20050319113316.5A06538025@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050319113316.5A06538025@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Joannah Hansen wrote: > Elizabeth is right about the zones, but multi-zone DVD players aren't > all that hard to find, nor are they necessarily more expensive. We found one for around $40 recently. So it can be done, legally. (If you're not worried about work-arounds, those exist also. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Early biological weapons: 184 BC: In a sea battle, Hannibal of Carthage hurled clay pots full of vipers onto the decks of enemy ships. - WebMD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 09:58:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JEw0bJ015189 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:58:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JEucZj005039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JEuOPo041385; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JEuNKW041366 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:56:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCfNG-0007Gw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:56:27 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi all, I was taking a look at the Kyoto collection again and saw this panier. http://www.kci.or.jp/photo/collection/007682_a.jpg It is way beyond my time period, but I was curious about a few things. I think I am seeing another piece of caning (besides the basic circle) that might run front to back ending in sort of a trunkated V in front. This would support the "arched" appearance. Does anyone else see this? Also, not being able to see the panier from all sides, it seems like it sticks out in front of the torso more (and even a little more up and away (higher arch) than the other dresses of the same collection (1770's). Anyone with more experience in this period have any ideas? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 11:40:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JGe3fH015683 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:40:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JGc3Zj012573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JGbu9A007317; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:37:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JGbr8x007276 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:37:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.42] (helo=wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCgxU-00068L-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:37:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2459264.1111250272832.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:37:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Leprosy bandages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gosh, that brings back memories. I haven't heard of anyone knitting leper bandages in many, many years. I was planning to tell my great-nieces about having actually done such a thing when I'm old and creaky :) I encountered it at church camp one summer. One of the directors knew I was a knitter and asked if I'd like to do one, which I did. I don't remember what kind of cotton thread it was nor the needle size, but the pattern was "Cast on 20 stitches and work back and forth in garter stitch (knit every row) until you run out of thread." The perfect "idiot knitting" and a small and very portable project. As I recall, what I was told is that the hand-knitted bandages were needed because they could be boiled to sterilize them and then re-used. They couldn't use bandages with elastic thread in them because the rubber in the elastic wouldn't stand up to repeated boilings. If anyone's knitting modern leper bandages I'd be curious to know where such things would be sent when they're done -- I can see that it's possible someone's still using them, perhaps in an area where not a lot of modern technology is available, but I'm very curious to know where. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 12:39:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JHdGE0015989 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JHcBZj017097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:38:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JHc2xX046300; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JHc0w4046215 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:38:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ED03C790 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423C6391.8030507@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:38:25 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wicked Frau wrote: > > I think I am seeing another piece of caning (besides the basic circle) > that might run front to back ending in sort of a trunkated V in front. > This would support the "arched" appearance. Does anyone else see this? Yes, you are seeing the 'basket' support for the pannier. There are some images here that show it in more detail: http://www.fashion-era.com/paniers.htm#Panier%20Or%20Panniers Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 13:11:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JIB6Bw016241 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:11:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JI9sZj019465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:09:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JI9fxF067039; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JI9bLL066892 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:09:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from yourw04gtxld67 (pcp0010006139pcs.centrl01.va.comcast.net[69.241.147.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005031918093101300eeq5fe>; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:09:31 +0000 Message-ID: <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:09:23 -0500 Organization: The Costume Gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO JP Ryan, who has student this period extensively, is interested in the mystery item. Can someone please post the URL again so I can forward it to her. Janice is one of our instructors. She is not a list member but is willing to look it over and give her input, for me to pass along to you all. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 15:55:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JKtFXL017127 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JKpiZj002460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JKpM35071248; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav12.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JKpKn8071177 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:51:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:51:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:51:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050319021008.02b83008@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:51:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 20:51:15.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[6450BF00:01C52CC5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, but I'd never have recognized it for the same thing if you hadn't told me it was. They say beginning 19thC, coutil, boned at bust. But they don't put in in the Empire-style section. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? >I don't know if you have the newer Kyoto Fashion book (blue cover with a >funky yellow-orange-red thingy on it) it shows this on a mannequin and it >makes sense then. I can't seem to find a picture of it on-line now that I >want it... > > Anyway, it seems to be worn with a loop over each arm with the pointy part > pointing toward the other arm and then wrapped around and tied. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 12:12 AM 3/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I was browsing the Kyoto Costume Institute website, 1800-1820 period, and >>came across this... >> >>http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1800/15-000210_b >> >>What is that?? >> >>I mean, this looks like two separate corset fronts... but the edges looked >>finished... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 15:55:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JKtOfo017131 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:55:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JKr4Zj002601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JKr4Vf072384; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JKr32d072300 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:53:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:52:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Brassiere? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:53:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2005 20:52:58.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[A19ABFA0:01C52CC5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > It is also shown on a mannequin in the original Kyoto exhibit book, > "Revolution in Fashion." But I have heard some thoughts that perhaps it > was an > orthopedic device, and it is shown backwards on the mannequin--that the > boning is > supposed to be in back. I wonder about that. I think boning right at the front of the bust would provide just the flat bust-front look that you'd want under an Empire dress. If the boning was in the back, then there would be nothing to hold the breasts anymore... it would have to be worn over stays or something of the kind. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 16:07:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JL71ZG017208 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JL5JZj004384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JL5Gwu082865; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2JL59E7082720 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 21:05:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050319205858.015bae30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:05:15 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pirate site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The gentleman of fortune who runs the site would be most grateful for any pictures or other information for the period 1680-1720 on ordinary women and ladies of the night. His "Wenches" link is not up as he does not as yet have this information. I have pointed him to Hogarth, although I know that is later, but any other visual source suggestions would be welcome. He is concerned that the impression given at the moment is "Hollywood tavern wench" rather than realistic. I will be happy to pass on any help you can give. www.gentlemenoffortune.com Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 16:31:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JLV6UV017361 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JLTrZj005856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:29:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JLTfB6097695; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-3.paradise.net.nz (bm-3a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JLTdbS097651 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.194]) by linda-3.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IDM00JGSBPE3K@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:29:38 +1200 (NZST) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-148-52.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.148.52]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AF582B20 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:29:37 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:23:52 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] New to me portrait... In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423C9868.206@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: >Is it possible that this is one of those psychological things were you paint >what your mind is on bigger then everything else? >Or the subconsciously painting the artist's opinion of women. sturdy body >for birthing and very little upstairs? > > I think you're reading way too much into it. Beauty ideals vary. Just at the time that English artists were making their models look slimmer, Italian artiss were making theirs look fatter. I suspect bot cultures were equally keen on both sex and childbirth. Adele d'M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 16:32:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JLWspj017389 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:32:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2JLV5Zj005917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JLV5eC098600; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.58.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JLV4TL098575 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:31:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (smtp-1a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.194]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IDM00LB4BRQOR@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:31:03 +1200 (NZST) Received: from paradise.net.nz (203-96-148-52.apx1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.148.52]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AC882AB1 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:31:02 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:25:16 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Big Body, Little head In-reply-to: <20050318135651.28286.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423C98BC.9010605@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 References: <20050318135651.28286.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >And yet, who knows what she really looked like? The artist may have >shaved 15 years and 30 pounds from reality in this portrait. (Although >I do wish he had made her head more in proportion to her body.) > > Given reputed Italian tastes at the time, it seems more likely he'd hade _added_ 30 pounds. Adele d'M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 19 20:57:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2K1vEgV019074 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2K1u0Zj025933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2K1td4r064860; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2K1tblj064799 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a3.2fcaff84 (3890) for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.2fcaff84.2f6e3207@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:55:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:24:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > The gentleman of fortune who runs the site would be most grateful for any > pictures or other information for the period 1680-1720 on ordinary women > and ladies of the night. Why would they not wear what any other woman would wear? I mean, is there supposed to be some kind of uniform for prostitutes? Are they high class courtesans in upper class clothes or working women in hand me downs or poor women in rags? I know! Red with black lace! Ok ok....I just made myself sick. Are not his pirates in typical sea faring garments of the time? The distressing and teching to denote wear and tear or miss-matching of varied elements of sailor uniforms is sorta up to the "designer". So too for prostitutes. I suppose he needs sources for working and lower class women. Were I to design a "wench" that had the feel of the Hollywood tavern-girl cliche, but was more accurate, I might put her in a worn and patched and dirty chemise with a once fine corset over it. Perhaps a fraying and soiled silk brocade corset...even with tie in sleeves...like in the Kyoto book....for some color. Maybe only one petticoat...that doesn't match anything. If she is actually working in a tavern, it could be tucked or tied up to reveal some ankle and leg with stockings [and chemise hem]. Some good accessories might be a distinct and eye catching hat, a big purse and a knife and pistol. Beauty patches always seem a little slutty. You get the idea....but all the garments can be found on women of fashion in the period. It's their mish-mashing and condition that give her station away. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 09:21:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KEL177003070 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KEJEZj010932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KEIs48085849; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:18:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KEIroc085753 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A6464892011E; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:46 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.24]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:46 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4238FCBF.60207@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2005 14:18:46.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[BABA1890:01C52D57] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Butterick Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you suppose that this dress http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm is what the designers at Butterick were trying to replicate? It has the same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe hips. I wonder why the real dress looks so much better than the pattern... Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too heavy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 10:23:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KFNgGR003740 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:23:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KFMXZj015110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:22:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KFMRXQ024908; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:22:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KFMO34024818 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDN008K1PCZYH@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:25 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423D9531.1030905@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, weird question. I am in the process of putting in innumerable lacing eyelets in a kirtle. While I am too lazy to go to the basement to find Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion( i will do so when i put more layers on-it is just too cold to go down there in thin stuff) I think that she does show some close-ups of actual eyelets. However, does she or anyone else talk about the color of the stitching? Anyone know if it was mostly same color, or was the color a contrasting thread? Does anyone have pictorial evidence that they base their thread choice on when making lacing holes? Puzzeled and lazy, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 10:27:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KFRGDX003780 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KFQGZj015403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KFQGCn027227; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KFQFsh027218 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DD2Ji-0004uC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: <423D961E.1050206@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:26:22 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> <423C70C0.8060803@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <423C70C0.8060803@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is a second post...not sure why but not all my messages are reaching the list. Wicked Frau wrote: > Do you mean the original url Penny? It was this: > http://www.kci.or.jp/photo/collection/007682_a.jpg > Sg > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> JP Ryan, who has student this period extensively, is interested in >> the mystery item. Can someone please post the URL again so I can >> forward it to her. Janice is one of our instructors. She is not a >> list member but is willing to look it over and give her input, for me >> to pass along to you all. >> >> Penny Ladnier, owner >> The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com >> Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com >> Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 12:07:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KH763j004565 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:07:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KH5tZj022043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KH5kav090318; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:05:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KH5jD9090237 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AFE402AC for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id B8AE5726C; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCPa1jAAk4/AEAAAAB,a14982ff3c8a9d5ed7993a1b5638659f Message-Id: <20050320170539.B8AE5726C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Funny you should ask this right now as I am doing that kirtle and had the same question (as well as how close to put the eyelets). I decided that the grids were an inch apart and the eyelets seem be on the grid so I made them an inch apart. I read everything I could find and she only states that they are sewn but doesn't mention the color of the thread. That may be because the back of the garment was in pretty bad shape due to being under the body for so long and the colors were changed. Personally, I am going with the fabric color so they won't show up since making a bazillion eyelets isn't my favorite occupation and they get a bit sloppy at times. Thread the color of the fabric isn't as noticable. Are you making the ropa too? I haven't even started that and I need it for an event the first weekend in April. Where does the time go? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- J Schueller wrote: From: J Schueller Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:25 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Ok, weird question. I am in the process of putting in innumerable lacing eyelets in a kirtle. While I am too lazy to go to the basement to find Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion( i will do so when i put more layers on-it is just too cold to go down there in thin stuff) I think that she does show some close-ups of actual eyelets. However, does she or anyone else talk about the color of the stitching? Anyone know if it was mostly same color, or was the color a contrasting thread? Does anyone have pictorial evidence that they base their thread choice on when making lacing holes? Puzzeled and lazy, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 13:45:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KIjosD005226 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KIiUZj028743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KIiCi7053246; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:44:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KIi9tA053217 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so749384rne for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XIZ1mLszo05mT6ozO7/8zIPXmP1oEOkBmxZtN+CUYG37aFF4VIs3knZqtzSdXI4D8WLzB8jHv8YmTj3AUNTcHBv50eaA4jHkvyyxayY0o/u6hzFHCKEEV9B3DOvczLGAwhK/Dbu0vLTsEU3cL8sNPUgtc0NMdXlDsjHzQteTaIE= Received: by 10.39.2.13 with SMTP id e13mr4559001rni; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:44:09 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets >I did look at the pictures and saw that though she did not mention the >color, the thread looked white on the white fabric, and dark on the dark While probably too early for you & your kirtle... The Charles de Blois pourpoint is silver brocade w/ green thread eyelets for the laces. Surprised me when I first read it. I have copies`of the original french text monographs from the Musee de Tissue (home`of the de Blois pourpoint) on the pour giving construction, observastions, provenance. Similarly, you can look a Boucher for a color photo of Charles the Bold's snappy red jacque. I dont remember the thread color or if eyelets are visible. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 14:20:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KJKVPA006835 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:20:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KJIJZj001469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:18:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KJIFf5074460; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from host2.vervehosting.com (220959.ds.nac.net [66.246.72.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KJIDTw074401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from historian@reconstructinghistory.com) Received: from bee-100-89.thebeenet.com ([216.83.100.89] helo=Kass) by host2.vervehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DD5vw-0001r1-GA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:17:57 -0500 From: "Kass McGann" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:18:21 -0500 Organization: Reconstructing History Message-ID: <001801c52d81$971f5010$596453d8@Kass> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reconstructinghistory.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, there was kind of a "uniform" for prostitutes in the late 17th and early 18th century and it did mark them as different from other women. Courtesans and prostitutes were more likely to wear "beauty spots" and masks for one thing. Other "uniforms" revealed by period source materials include the dress of a Quaker woman and other new religious sects because apparently customers liked to pretend they were doing it with one of these radicals. In the illustrations of the time, it's pretty easy to read the signs of prostitution. He's asking a rather well-informed question for this time period. Kass Reconstructing History Patterns http://reconstructinghistory.com Join Our Pattern Discussion List: http://reconstructinghistory.com/mailman/listinfo/patterns_reconstructin ghistory.com -----Original Message----- Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:55:19 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <1a3.2fcaff84.2f6e3207@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:24:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > The gentleman of fortune who runs the site would be most grateful for any > pictures or other information for the period 1680-1720 on ordinary women > and ladies of the night. Why would they not wear what any other woman would wear? I mean, is there supposed to be some kind of uniform for prostitutes? Are they high class courtesans in upper class clothes or working women in hand me downs or poor women in rags? I know! Red with black lace! Ok ok....I just made myself sick. Are not his pirates in typical sea faring garments of the time? The distressing and teching to denote wear and tear or miss-matching of varied elements of sailor uniforms is sorta up to the "designer". So too for prostitutes. I suppose he needs sources for working and lower class women. Were I to design a "wench" that had the feel of the Hollywood tavern-girl cliche, but was more accurate, I might put her in a worn and patched and dirty chemise with a once fine corset over it. Perhaps a fraying and soiled silk brocade corset...even with tie in sleeves...like in the Kyoto book....for some color. Maybe only one petticoat...that doesn't match anything. If she is actually working in a tavern, it could be tucked or tied up to reveal some ankle and leg with stockings [and chemise hem]. Some good accessories might be a distinct and eye catching hat, a big purse and a knife and pistol. Beauty patches always seem a little slutty. You get the idea....but all the garments can be found on women of fashion in the period. It's their mish-mashing and condition that give her station away. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 14:34:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KJYPo2006898 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KJXIZj002363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:33:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KJXFCq083996; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2KJX8dN083850 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 19:33:02 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:31:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site In-Reply-To: <001801c52d81$971f5010$596453d8@Kass> References: <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:18 20/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Actually, there was kind of a "uniform" for prostitutes in the late 17th >and early 18th century and it did mark them as different from other >women. Courtesans and prostitutes were more likely to wear "beauty >spots" and masks for one thing. Other "uniforms" revealed by period >source materials include the dress of a Quaker woman and other new >religious sects because apparently customers liked to pretend they were >doing it with one of these radicals. > >In the illustrations of the time, it's pretty easy to read the signs of >prostitution. He's asking a rather well-informed question for this time >period. Kass I only have illustrations of lady pirates of the time - Anne Bonney and Mary Reid - and would appreciate any other illustration sources. He does not want the Hollywood look at all. I am sure, from what he said, he also wants ordinary women, and those I do not have except at the edges of paintings where they are too small, even under magnification, to see any detail. I will forward your information to him - thanks. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 14:49:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KJn4nY007036 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:49:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KJlmZj003394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:47:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KJlfdR092786; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KJleSX092774 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8DD37BEF for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:47:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t3p231.socket.net [64.85.220.233]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F7E2D3E2 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:47:38 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:47:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Butterick Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO :) bulls eye! :) I knew I had seen that type of decoration at the hem. Can't tell from the picture whether the bodice has the ruffled waist like the pattern. De -----Original Message----- Do you suppose that this dress http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm is what the designers at Butterick were trying to replicate? It has the same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe hips. I wonder why the real dress looks so much better than the pattern... Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too heavy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 15:32:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2KKWKEr007337 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:32:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2KKV9Zj006446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:31:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KKV3Jp019915; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com (web41908.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2KKV1kc019807 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86935 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2005 20:30:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZZXxZnbwpdxyFf9U1hNZLi+FXOv6BnC27Hmf5yIcsyqMpmVYc17acm9HgKnOJlNkicRPQrruav43pqvUJx6BL97zhUoEjmnTSO7LPfM/5IXiTOPZ7GYnymDUAXkSY/ma6Dmi3YcCxbXWJKJ/GrPdHMdTSv8DE1wXMxDqhpzQLzY= ; Message-ID: <20050320203056.86933.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.173] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:30:55 PST Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I feel the same way, however usually the "mundane" costumes look well like costumes and the materials used look simply awlful in my opinion. weather too heavy a material , the costume is too big for the model or badly sewn for the picture on the package. I take it for what it is a costume "loosely based" on history... and a starting point for Potential Newbies.. I love the Museum photo on the link... Satine Sandra Olsen wrote: Do you suppose that this dress http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm is what the designers at Butterick were trying to replicate? It has the same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe hips. I wonder why the real dress looks so much better than the pattern... Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too heavy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 19:54:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2L0sI07008773 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2L0owZj025215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L0nh3g083007; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L0ner0082924 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685903BC34 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:48:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423E1A2A.6040306@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:49:46 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume References: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> In-Reply-To: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sandra Olsen wrote: > Do you suppose that this dress > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm > is what the designers at Butterick were trying to replicate? It has the > same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe hips. I got a book of costume photos from the Met last week and noticed that same dress myself. > > I wonder why the real dress looks so much better than the pattern... > Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too heavy. After looking at this pattern and the Met dress for a few days I think what bothers me about the recreation is the lace. It's white and it contrasts much more with the blue dress fabric than the black and gold on the Met dress. Also, they use lace yardage, as opposed to a nice wide trim lace, and the repro pattern is tiny, geometric, and looks cheap. A court dress shouldn't look cheap. There's a nice line on the Met dress, on either side of the torso, over the bust,trimmed in black lace, and the repro dress is missing this. They put a large bow on the front neckline instead. It changes the whole line of the period, subtly, but enough that it looks off. Again, with the lace, the repro dress uses a plain sheer ruffle on the sleeve, where --for a court gown -- you really want to be displaying something elaborately ornate. As we all know, recreating the pattern of a historical dress sometimes isn't the hard part, it's finding the right fabric and trimmings to make it look real. I'm ok with the fabric Butterick used, but the lace isn't good enough to make it look the way it probably should. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 20 21:42:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2L2gkgB009620 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2L2fOZj003044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L2fCG9053632; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:41:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L2f9mC053575 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so729924rne for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VPVAvskyJpvRPSVTj3m2xyY89YQuO1KgONCx/eZdgAbouDEWd63q9ffMWEV4SXyV6eK6XeCVREmgoZSlr7JEpt5F3FyCKuGgsRqNDoGYyUXNpXjPiKX/sY+gnxEziUhWJRGKrIvSZjXw6GknSqm4ptnqWOFURqJ23lWioyaWsT4= Received: by 10.38.99.16 with SMTP id w16mr4805707rnb; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:09 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portefraes - translation request X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Gentle costumers, Are there any Dutch speakers on list? The online translators are not particularly helpful with technical, specialty or historic info. May I beg a favor? I've got this costume catalog entry which I cant read and suspect the item is the wire armature for a supportasse. Since I know of no others, this is particularly intriguing. Here's the entry: Portefraes Eind 16de eeeuw -eerte derde 17de eeuw; roodkoper; in twee stucken; Ovaalvormig steuelementen in koperdraad voor vlakke kraag of (vermoedelijk) plooikraag. Een cirkel omvat de hals en wordt gesloten met haak en oog midden voor. Vanaf die cirkel vertrekken spiljlen straalgewijs, na enkele torsies vormen ze een gelobde rand. De draagelementen zijn aan de voorzijde korter. Het stuk is gebroken en vertoont lacunes; vermoedelijk ontbreken twee tot drie draagelementen. The catalog is "TEXTILIA kostuums en accessoires uit eigen bezit", Ghent, Bijlokemuseum,1986. Thanks for the help! For your amusement & edification, the web "translation" is given below. Portefraes End 16de eeeuw - eerte third 17de centuries; roodkoper; in two stucken; Ovaalvormig steuelementen in purchaser wire for flat collar or(supposedly) fold collar. A circle includes the neck and is closed with hook and eye in the middle of. As from that circle spiljlen leave straalgewijs, after some torsies they form a lobbed edge. The draagelementen to be to the front shorter. The piece is broken and shows lacunas; suspected being lacking two up to three draagelementen. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 00:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2L59YUe010639 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2L57EZj013293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L570UT040644; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:07:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41803.mail.yahoo.com (web41803.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2L56tqj040569 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74128 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2005 05:06:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ivga1/9HIL/GKFnG0qgVl5e0SkJXnsOTVh67wEYWBFMxnDiDPgBvezl8FZ+wEomeFfLJcbY42l7A3vMi2oxnLrK1oM01DtAfmoH0MjZhitF+sckvXrPL7ndTExhhciyisZXx33qEP2eWtUy4das+78v/JvtrqxQb3kGGFpLXUmQ= ; Message-ID: <20050321050650.74126.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:06:49 PST Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake" ? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn , I have an "observation and question on the museum photo, the description states" "In the eighteenth century, formal dress was so closely associated with Versailles and the French court that it was universally described as the robe à la française. ****** As illustrated here, the robe à la française has a fitted overdress. It is open at the front, with a decorative bodice insert called a stomacher covering the corset and ****an underskirt, the petticoat, showing ****under the _splayed drapery_ of the overskirt."**** WHAT SPLAYED DRAPERY? the front shown looks like one piece,though it is 3 pieces seamed together vertically. If you click on the"object" button you get 3 views of the side ,trim and Back. If you look at the back photo, there is a split in the overskirt(splay?) where the under skirt could be seen, IS IT POSSIBLE that the skirt has been put on the dummy -_Backwards?_ and we are seeing the _back_ placed on the front view? If the designers at Butterick went by this "wrong" view they would have in turn produced the pattern backwards. What do you think? IS this possible....given the description they provided? Best, Melody --- Dawn wrote: > Sandra Olsen wrote: > > Do you suppose that this dress >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm > > is what the designers at Butterick were trying to > replicate? > > > I got a book of costume photos from the Met last > week and noticed that same dress myself. > > After looking at this pattern and the Met dress for > a few days I think what bothers me about the recreation is the lace. > It's white and it contrasts much more with the blue dress fabric than the black and gold > on the Met dress. Also, they use lace yardage, as > opposed to a nice wide trim lace, and the repro pattern is tiny, geometric, and looks cheap. > > There's a nice line on the Met dress, on either side > of the torso, over the bust,trimmed in black lace, and the repro dress is missing this. > They put a large bow on the front neckline instead. > It changes the whole line of the period, subtly, but enough that it looks off. > > Again, with the lace, the repro dress uses a plain > sheer ruffle on the sleeve, where --for a court gown -- you really want to be displaying > something elaborately ornate. > > As we all know, recreating the pattern of a > historical dress sometimes > isn't the hard part, it's finding the right fabric > and trimmings to make > it look real. I'm ok with the fabric Butterick used, > but the lace isn't > good enough to make it look the way it probably > should. > > > Dawn > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 00:09:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2L59tsp010642 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:09:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2L58vZj013460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L58uvs041884; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:08:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41822.mail.yahoo.com (web41822.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2L58tWJ041771 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84098 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2005 05:08:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=HNgfhLJydHtWUtEoBjlTBm1P+lY6jEnQlo8+SZCoFdIcvp7yB+27+UVO3jUufZyhGs31tnrwBpQp9UBTwFSuRZIBulZ6Zm5b1q0+0Yn8aAYKKHW1YCgSvcIapiQB5YYN4kDCxOnjWpa4/ude9C1N8RevnjMC8hGIVE3sKE+WBeM= ; Message-ID: <20050321050847.84096.qmail@web41822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:08:47 PST Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Butterick Costume more views To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Click on the "Object" button below the picture,you get to see the back, trim and side view, too Melody --- otsisto wrote: > :) bulls eye! :) > I knew I had seen that type of decoration at the > hem. > Can't tell from the picture whether the bodice has > the ruffled waist like > the pattern. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Do you suppose that this dress > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm > is what the designers at Butterick were trying to > replicate? It has the > same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe > hips. > > I wonder why the real dress looks so much better > than the pattern... > Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too > heavy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 01:13:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2L6DVAi011086 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2L6BvZj017088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L6BfPI078072; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:11:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2L6BY1m077946 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:11:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 06:11:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321060540.014be3a8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:11:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake" ? In-Reply-To: <20050321050650.74126.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2L6BY1m077946 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 21:06 20/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: > Dawn , I have an "observation and question on the >museum photo, the description states" > "In the eighteenth century, formal dress was so >closely associated with Versailles and the French >court that it was universally described as the robe à >la française. >****** As illustrated here, the robe à la française >has a fitted overdress. It is open at the front, with >a decorative bodice insert called a stomacher covering >the corset and ****an underskirt, the petticoat, >showing ****under the _splayed drapery_ of the >overskirt."**** > WHAT SPLAYED DRAPERY? >the front shown looks like one piece,though it is 3 >pieces seamed together vertically. >If you click on the"object" button you get 3 views of >the side ,trim and Back. If you look at the back >photo, there is a split in the overskirt(splay?) where >the under skirt could be seen, >IS IT POSSIBLE that the skirt has been put on the >dummy -_Backwards?_ and we are seeing the _back_ >placed on the front view? >If the designers at Butterick went by this "wrong" >view they would have in turn produced the pattern >backwards. >What do you think? IS this possible....given the >description they provided? No, this is not what has happened. This is a court mantua, and the extra material you see at the back is folded . Very often, there is what appears to be a train, which is folded up and looped more or less at the waist. This particular format is unusual in English mantuas - I have a catalogue of I think) a dutch court dress which is very similar to this. Both Hunnisett and Arnold have patterns - Arnold's is in the back of the 1660-1860 book. Neither are court mantuas, but "ordinary" ones, if you can have such a thing. I am currently working with the Museum of London on a mantua, so I am very "up" on them right now!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 05:15:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LAFK33030449 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LAE8Zj010695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LADqem020415; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:13:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LADhMY019800 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2LAD6d10180.; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:13:06 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:13:06 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:12:41 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 17 March 2005 4:14 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: >> Why a belt? The fashionable look of the time was for the "waist" to be >> at the level of the lower ribs, so wearing a waist belt would completely >> spoil the effect. That's why they wore their sword on a baldrick over >> the shoulder. >>>> cathy@thyrsus.com 18/03/2005 01:22:40 >>> replied >Aesthetics. The CC pattern really looks stupid without one, doubtless >because the torso portion is nothing more than a series of strips, only >connected down to mid-chest level. It *has* no waist at all. By "waist" I meant the point where the garment starts to be divided into tabs. These were meant to flare out from the lower ribs and not be bundled into a belt! It only looks stupid to generations not accustomed to high waistlines on men. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th cent. reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 07:35:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LCZf5r013484 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:35:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LCYHZj023210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCY6YG002178; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:34:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCY4L2002071 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1e0.385ae4c2 (4584) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:33:52 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <1e0.385ae4c2.2f701930@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:33:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Melody, I think you have hit the nail directly on the head. I have largely ignored the thread, because I never in my life have seen a dress with such a front as the one on the Butterick pattern and figured it was not worth my while to discuss it since so many others were having such fun, and was really surprised to see the Met dress. I then put it down to the fact that there is always an exception to every rule! However, I did not notice the link to the other photos until you mentioned it. I now believe the overskirt is placed incorrectly on the mannequin. It is a dress with an (originally attached) overskirt that should be placed with the opening in the front. I am looking at several construction line drawings and photographs of several mantuas in Avril Hart's Fashion in Detail as well as the Clive House mantua in Janet Arnold. What I am seeing is, these mantuas are open completely at the front and what appears to the be the back is actually the front edges folded back to meet and fall gracefully, either in semi-pressed folds or a looser, graceful fall of the fabric. This gown appears to not be constructed at all like the mantuas I am seeing. The one thing I am a bit distressed about is this: the overskirt should actually have been connected at the back bodice, so that a mistake like this should not have happened. Apparently this one at some point became separated. Some of these mistakes are due to the fact that a garment was used in an early 20th c. theatrical setting, and was therefore altered to what suited the needs of the director at the time. Others were altered during the colonial revival period so that they could be worn, with the mindset of the late Victorian era we have seen some really strange alterations, all neatly done by hand so that a relatively untrained eye could be fooled into thinking that they were original. I believe Suzi is giving the exhibit designers at the Met way too much credit. I see mistakenly draped (& dated!) mannequins in museums all the time. There is a mid-18c "maternity" gown in a book I have that is placed completely backwards on the mannequin and isn't any more a maternity gown than any other gown of its period. The pleats that should align either side of a front stomacher are left hanging down the back like some child's leading strings! Again, there is always an exception. However, most of those didn't make it into museum displays. Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 07:42:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LCgh0L013517 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LCfbZj023546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCfZ9G006382; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCfWog006344 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2LCfUgB025383 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:41:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321074057.00c568a8@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:41:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: david hockney In-Reply-To: References: <200503181425.j2IEPHHu094265@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I want to see that article. thanks for the fresh information. Mari > > > > And also - don't forget that many artists were playing with perspective > > devices and not always being able to get the whole image in one go. Read > > David Hockney's "Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of > > the Old Masters" Gives a far more coherant explanation of the perspective > > problems in paintings of this time. > > > > Mari / Bridgette > >Yes, but David Hockney made the whole thing up. I have an article on it, >somewhere, which I'll dig up when I have a chance and site for you. He >thought up the idea and wrote about it, but chose his evidence very >carefully . . . according to this article, very few paintings of the period >he talks about have any resemblance to actual drawings done with the >equipment he says the Old Masters used. > >Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 07:50:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LCoQMN013556 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LCnWZj024054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCnO8g011415; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCnMxR011305 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.85.23ddbff3 (3956) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:49:15 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <85.23ddbff3.2f701ccb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:49:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/21/2005 7:38:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Susannah9810@aol.com writes: Melody, I think you have hit the nail directly on the head. I was going to advise that we not judge too hastily, as the possibly Venetian court dress in the Kyoto book looks similar from the front, but, after seeing the back of both it and the dress at the Met, it does seem that the Met's is backwards, doesn't it. Also, the ruffle around the waist of the bodice is clearly visible, leading me to believe even more strongly that the Butterick pattern was loosely based on this dress. If the garment has been modified through the years, do you think that ruffle is a later addition, too? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 08:43:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LDhZZv013819 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LDgBZj028232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LDg2sv048088; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LDfx5Y048057 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:42:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2LDfvo2023809 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:41:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:41:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: <2459264.1111250272832.JavaMail.root@wamui04.slb.atl.earthl ink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Interesting. When I mentioned it I didn't think anyone would be interested. It's just something I found out about 6 months ago... and it seemed like a very worthy cause. So for all the other folks who have asked questions I'm sending the URL of the place that I send my finished product to. Thanks for the interest. Bridgette / Mari http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 08:48:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LDmnK1013875 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LCiIZj023733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCiIOL008057; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LCg5vr006597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:42:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LDtpRw006203 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:55:55 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:41:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503210741.51121.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Monday 21 March 2005 5:12 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 4:14 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> Why a belt? The fashionable look of the time was for the "waist" to > > be > > >> at the level of the lower ribs, so wearing a waist belt would > > completely > > >> spoil the effect. That's why they wore their sword on a baldrick > > over > > >> the shoulder. > >> > >>>> cathy@thyrsus.com 18/03/2005 01:22:40 >>> replied > > > >Aesthetics. The CC pattern really looks stupid without one, doubtless > >because the torso portion is nothing more than a series of strips, only > >connected down to mid-chest level. It *has* no waist at all. > > By "waist" I meant the point where the garment starts to be divided > into tabs. These were meant to flare out from the lower ribs and not be > bundled into a belt! It only looks stupid to generations not accustomed > to high waistlines on men. Yes, but there is no "waist" per se in the CC pattern. If you look even at CC's sketch of their pattern (the one depicted on the envelope), you'll see that the entire torso consists of tabs--unified only as far down as about the armpit level. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 09:45:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LEjJl4014195 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:45:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LEhwZj002900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:43:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LEhaY6091092; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LEhPQd090935 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DDO7p-0005iY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:43:25 -0800 Message-ID: <423EDD96.3070406@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:43:34 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume References: <200503210741.51121.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200503210741.51121.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Missed the original post...could you post the pattern url? I am curious to see what you guys are talking about. Sg Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Monday 21 March 2005 5:12 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > >>On Thursday 17 March 2005 4:14 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: >> >> >>>>Why a belt? The fashionable look of the time was for the "waist" to >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >> >>>>at the level of the lower ribs, so wearing a waist belt would >>>> >>>> >>completely >> >> >> >>>>spoil the effect. That's why they wore their sword on a baldrick >>>> >>>> >>over >> >> >> >>>>the shoulder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>cathy@thyrsus.com 18/03/2005 01:22:40 >>> replied >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>Aesthetics. The CC pattern really looks stupid without one, doubtless >>>because the torso portion is nothing more than a series of strips, only >>>connected down to mid-chest level. It *has* no waist at all. >>> >>> >>By "waist" I meant the point where the garment starts to be divided >>into tabs. These were meant to flare out from the lower ribs and not be >>bundled into a belt! It only looks stupid to generations not accustomed >>to high waistlines on men. >> >> > >Yes, but there is no "waist" per se in the CC pattern. If you look even at >CC's sketch of their pattern (the one depicted on the envelope), you'll see >that the entire torso consists of tabs--unified only as far down as about the >armpit level. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 10:06:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LF6YTp014299 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:06:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LE2KZj029888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LE2GxT061376; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:ie0yZLKZnledlcclyDvbgQ3o+J+Ulpj3@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LE2DFk061334 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:02:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.10/8.12.3) with SMTP id j2LE2DMb011805 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:02:13 -0500 Received: from pool180-217.patriot.net ([209.249.180.217]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:02:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49189.209.249.180.217.1111413733.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> References: <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:02:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I am sure, from what he said, he also wants ordinary women, and > those I do not have except at the edges of paintings where they > are too small, even under magnification, to see any detail. Hi Suzi, The Laroon street cries prints are good for early 18thC common clothing. Of course, for any web page it's a matter of finding an original (out of copyright) edition or getting permission from someone who has one. I have a book that was printed around 1985, so it's under copyright. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 10:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LFCE00014326 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LFBMZj004464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFBH9E012929; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:11:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFBERa012898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:11:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2LF5UmT030679 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:05:31 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:05:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423EE410.6030502@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:11:12 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site References: <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > I only have illustrations of lady pirates of the time - Anne Bonney and > Mary Reid - and would appreciate any other illustration sources. Has he tried thumbing through some of the online/web art museum sites for paintings from this period? That's where I'd look first, if I had the time. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Early biological weapons: 184 BC: In a sea battle, Hannibal of Carthage hurled clay pots full of vipers onto the decks of enemy ships. - WebMD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 10:16:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LFGLMN014349 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LFEUZj004844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:14:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFEQlZ015630; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFDcdO014342 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2LFD1d07591.; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:13:01 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:13:01 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:12:39 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] French 1630s male costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> wickedfrau@earthlink.net 21/03/2005 14:43:34 >>> Missed the original post...could you post the pattern url? I am curious to see what you guys are talking about. Sg The "Cavalier man" on http://www.patternsoftime.com/cat44.html Kate ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 10:50:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LFoUHw014508 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LFmYZj008612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFmPPY045039; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFmLP5044990 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA80F40687 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 961463969; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:48:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCPuzEAAhSGwEAAAAB,2249bc5055241fe14410f0d691a857b1 Message-Id: <20050321154820.961463969@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How interesting! I, too thought that leprosy was pretty much a thing of the past. I love to knit and will have to pick up some cotton yarn and get to knitting. Like I don't already have enough projects going. Thanks for the website! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- M Stewart wrote: From: M Stewart Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:41:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info Interesting. When I mentioned it I didn't think anyone would be interested. It's just something I found out about 6 months ago... and it seemed like a very worthy cause. So for all the other folks who have asked questions I'm sending the URL of the place that I send my finished product to. Thanks for the interest. Bridgette / Mari http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 10:56:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LFu9qN014546 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:56:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LFspZj009513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFsmex050958; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:54:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([83.141.69.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFsjOg050921 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:54:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BA2@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portefraes - translation request Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:52:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Not Dutch myself, but one of my work mates is. This is her translation: Portefraes End of 16th century - first third of the 17th century; red copper; in two pieces Oval shaped supporting* elements in copper wire for flat collar or (presumably) folded collar. A circle includes the neck and is being closed with hook and eye for in the middle. From the circle jet-formed spokes (?) leave, which after a couple of torsions/windings form a lobbed edge. The carrying elements are shorter in front. The piece is broken and shows lacunas; probably two to three carrying elements are missing. *: this is assuming that the original word is misspelt and that they meant 'steun'. /Lena P.S. What is a portefraes? -----Original Message----- From: Cin [mailto:cinbarnes@gmail.com] Sent: 21 March 2005 02:41 To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Portefraes - translation request Gentle costumers, Are there any Dutch speakers on list? The online translators are not particularly helpful with technical, specialty or historic info. May I beg a favor? I've got this costume catalog entry which I cant read and suspect the item is the wire armature for a supportasse. Since I know of no others, this is particularly intriguing. Here's the entry: Portefraes Eind 16de eeeuw -eerte derde 17de eeuw; roodkoper; in twee stucken; Ovaalvormig steuelementen in koperdraad voor vlakke kraag of (vermoedelijk) plooikraag. Een cirkel omvat de hals en wordt gesloten met haak en oog midden voor. Vanaf die cirkel vertrekken spiljlen straalgewijs, na enkele torsies vormen ze een gelobde rand. De draagelementen zijn aan de voorzijde korter. Het stuk is gebroken en vertoont lacunes; vermoedelijk ontbreken twee tot drie draagelementen. The catalog is "TEXTILIA kostuums en accessoires uit eigen bezit", Ghent, Bijlokemuseum,1986. Thanks for the help! For your amusement & edification, the web "translation" is given below. Portefraes End 16de eeeuw - eerte third 17de centuries; roodkoper; in two stucken; Ovaalvormig steuelementen in purchaser wire for flat collar or(supposedly) fold collar. A circle includes the neck and is closed with hook and eye in the middle of. As from that circle spiljlen leave straalgewijs, after some torsies they form a lobbed edge. The draagelementen to be to the front shorter. The piece is broken and shows lacunas; suspected being lacking two up to three draagelementen. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless therwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 11:19:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LGJQDG014717 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LGHZZj012039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LGGuKX071547; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LGGpjr071396 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 16:16:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321161546.01580a00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:16:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <85.23ddbff3.2f701ccb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am repeating this as I believe my mails are not getting through. My apologies if you get it twice. I now believe the overskirt is placed incorrectly on the mannequin. It is a dress with an (originally attached) overskirt that should be placed with the opening in the front. I am looking at several construction line drawings and photographs of several mantuas in Avril Hart's Fashion in Detail as well as the Clive House mantua in Janet Arnold. What I am seeing is, these mantuas are open completely at the front and what appears to the be the back is actually the front edges folded back to meet and fall gracefully, either in semi-pressed folds or a looser, graceful fall of the fabric. This gown appears to not be constructed at all like the mantuas I am seeing. The one thing I am a bit distressed about is this: the overskirt should actually have been connected at the back bodice, so that a mistake like this should not have happened. Apparently this one at some point became separated. Some of these mistakes are due to the fact that a garment was used in an early 20th c. theatrical setting, and was therefore altered to what suited the needs of the director at the time. Others were altered during the colonial revival period so that they could be worn, with the mindset of the late Victorian era we have seen some really strange alterations, all neatly done by hand so that a relatively untrained eye could be fooled into thinking that they were original. I believe Suzi is giving the exhibit designers at the Met way too much credit. I see mistakenly draped (& dated!) mannequins in museums all the time. There are three court mantuas in the Victoria and Albert Museum. One, "A gown and petticoat..The skirt is folded sides to centre, but the train would seem to be missing". Two "A gown and petticoat......the bodice.continues into a basque to which is joined a hem length tail, pleated sides to centre. Three "A gown and petticoat....robings which merge with the skirt. These are draped into basques.the skirt is folded sides to centre; the end, embroidered in lighter style, drapes up etc." These are all photographed in the same way as the gown under discussion. I believe the so called ruffles at the waist are actually the basques as described in the V and A book "Four Hundred Years of Fashion" from which the above quotes are taken. There are similar mantuas at Blaise Castle, Bath, and at the Museum of London - the one I am working with, which is also photographed in the same fashion. I cannot find the Dutch "Festival" gown I was looking for, but that is the same. Are you suggesting that all these curators/exhibit designers are incorrect? I think that is hardly likely. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 11:24:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LGO4Bf014744 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:24:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LGJmZj012347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:19:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LGJlW5074094; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LGIorv072976 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:18:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 16:18:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321161723.01580f80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:18:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <85.23ddbff3.2f701ccb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Repeated, as some of my mail does not appear to be getting through - apologies if you get this twice At 09:02 21/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > I am sure, from what he said, he also wants ordinary women, and > > those I do not have except at the edges of paintings where they > > are too small, even under magnification, to see any detail. > >Hi Suzi, > > The Laroon street cries prints are good for early 18thC common >clothing. Of course, for any web page it's a matter of finding an >original (out of copyright) edition or getting permission from >someone who has one. I have a book that was printed around 1985, so >it's under copyright. > > -Carol Thank you so much - I had forgot Laroon - and I have some images doh!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 11:27:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LGReXV014780 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:27:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LGNpbT012847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LGAePV065866; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LGAUgh065629 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 16:10:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321160652.014be9e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:10:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portefraes - translation request In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BA2@oldntserver.stoneag e.mglarc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 15:52 21/03/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Not Dutch myself, but one of my work mates is. This is her translation: > >Portefraes >End of 16th century - first third of the 17th century; red copper; in two >pieces Oval shaped supporting* elements in copper wire >for flat collar or (presumably) folded collar. A circle includes the neck >and is being closed with hook and eye for in the middle. From the circle >jet-formed spokes (?) leave, which after a couple of torsions/windings form >a lobbed edge. The carrying elements are shorter in front. The piece is >broken and shows lacunas; probably two to three carrying elements are >missing. > >*: this is assuming that the original word is misspelt and that they meant >'steun'. > >/Lena > >P.S. What is a portefraes? > > >Are there any Dutch speakers on list? The online translators are not >particularly helpful with technical, specialty or historic info. May I >beg a favor? I've got this costume catalog entry which I cant read >and suspect the item is the wire armature for a supportasse. Since I >know of no others, this is particularly intriguing. Here's the entry: > >Portefraes >Eind 16de eeeuw -eerte derde 17de eeuw; roodkoper; in twee stucken; > >Ovaalvormig steuelementen in koperdraad voor vlakke kraag of >(vermoedelijk) plooikraag. Een cirkel omvat de hals en wordt gesloten >met haak en oog midden voor. Vanaf die cirkel vertrekken spiljlen >straalgewijs, na enkele torsies vormen ze een gelobde rand. De >draagelementen zijn aan de voorzijde korter. Het stuk is gebroken en >vertoont lacunes; vermoedelijk ontbreken twee tot drie draagelementen. > >The catalog is "TEXTILIA kostuums en accessoires uit eigen bezit", >Ghent, Bijlokemuseum,1986. >Cynthia Barnes Cynthia Is this the supportasse from the "Beguines" nunnery? If so, I have a drawing made by a friend - it does sound awfully like it. It is broken, joins with a hook and loop, and the "spokes" are a double wire, with a "neck" and a "head" or "lobe" shape. If not, I would love to see a picture. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 12:09:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LH9LUK015095 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:09:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LH7YZj018682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LH78k8020261; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LH71OG020117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2LH1DmT032313 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:01:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:01:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423EFF2E.1050306@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:06:54 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20050319113256.CEA0D3962@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20050319113256.CEA0D3962@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT international DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here's some more info from my husband -- one list reader has inquired of me directly so I figured others might be interested: -------- Original Message -------- The one in the kids' room was $30, from Circuit City. The thing is, lots of DVD players include back doors to disable the region lock, but they're not supposed to, so it's not an advertised feature. It seems to happen mostly when a small company OEMs a machine from a small Asian development firm; the engineers at the Asian firm stick in the back door, and don't get caught (QA just looks for features that are supposed to be there), and nobody catches it until the player hits the shelves. People start trying sequences (much the same as video game players hunt for cheat codes), and then post them online. If the company selling the machine notices, they may or may not complain to the development firm and get them to disable the back door in future versions. So, even if the model we have is still on the market, it's not a sure thing that newer players have the back door. ... Also point her to, um, http://www.videohelp.com/, which has listings of (among other things) DVD players and their various obscure features, which she can use to find a suitable player. (She might need to find a geek to work the site for her; it's got lots more data than a non-geek will care about.) > Now, the final question -- is any of this illegal? Or just that it > annoys the video production companies? The DVD industry will tell you it's illegal in the US; they assert that the region coding constitutes an "effective technical measure" to prevent copyright infringement, under the DMCA. However, it's likely that, if it ever faced a court challenge, the court would rule that, if you buy a DVD, you have the right to view it ("fair use"), which means that playing it on a DVD player from a different zone is not copyright infringement, which means that a technical measure to keep you from doing so is not preventing copyright infringement, which means that subverting that technical measure is not a violation of the DMCA. Probably. Someone who's interested in learning more can probably find an actual lawyer explaining it online. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 12:12:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LHCHKm015118 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LF1jZj003914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LF1ff1005294; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LF1Z3b005061 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:01:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:01:27 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:01:11 -0600 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Leprosy bandages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html Thanks so much for posting this website, and for a trip down memory lane. My grandmother used to knit these back in the 60's and it was one of the few knitting projects I have ever done, mostly because she was doing it. I don't really knit but love to crochet (and can do it just about anywhere, like when riding in a car) and per this website, you can crochet these too. This type of project can sometimes be very soothing, no pattern or stitch change to keep track of and easy to have on hand. Off to get a ball of cotton. Thanks again! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 12:24:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LHOAw3015247 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LHK6Zj020217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:20:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LHK1JA032810; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LHJvjI032597 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D33B15C for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423F024C.9000905@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:20:12 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? References: <1e0.385ae4c2.2f701930@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1e0.385ae4c2.2f701930@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susannah9810@aol.com wrote: > I now believe the overskirt is placed > incorrectly on the mannequin. It is a dress with an (originally attached) > overskirt that should be placed with the opening in the front. I am looking at > several construction line drawings and photographs of several mantuas in Avril > Hart's Fashion in Detail as well as the Clive House mantua in Janet Arnold. > What I am seeing is, these mantuas are open completely at the front and what > appears to the be the back is actually the front edges folded back to meet > and fall gracefully, either in semi-pressed folds or a looser, graceful fall > of the fabric. I disagreee with this. I believe the draping at the back is vestigal pleating from the sack dress style, but adapted for formal court fashion. Similar pleating can be seen on the Clive House gown in the back, under the draping that is tucked up from the front. The key to the Met dress is that it is a court gown, and court gowns got weird during this time period, with fashion rules all their own. They had very very long pleated panels in the back like this one, that could unfold to become the longest court train you ever saw, and would then be elaborately folded up for normal walking. Of course, this dress doesnt unfold into a long train, but it mimicks that look, which is what some court dresses did if they weren't going to be unfolded. There are some very bizarre looking court gowns from around 1800, with high empire waists, wide panniers, and vestigal train-drapes in back. Commentary in the book I have says "In this gown the train and skirts of th open robe have become so stylized that they form at the center back only a vestigal hem-length panel, revealing the entire expanse of petticoat." I don't see that there is any way that panel in the back could be folded up from the front and tucked over those panniers in a drape like the Clive House mantua. This gown appears to not be constructed at all like the > mantuas I am seeing. Exactly. I dont believe it was ever meant to be open in front. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 12:43:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LHh03v015413 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LHfrZj023514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LHfmXD055307; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:41:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LHfj0R055169 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.19d.300d01c9 (4004) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:41:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.300d01c9.2f706149@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:41:29 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/20/2005 2:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, historian@reconstructinghistory.com writes: Actually, there was kind of a "uniform" for prostitutes in the late 17th and early 18th century and it did mark them as different from other women. Courtesans and prostitutes were more likely to wear "beauty spots" and masks for one thing. Other "uniforms" revealed by period source materials include the dress of a Quaker woman and other new religious sects because apparently customers liked to pretend they were doing it with one of these radicals. Thus proving there is no uniform. "More Likely" to wear something other women wear and dressing up like other types of women....like Quakers....is no uniform. It just proves what I was saying: They wear clothes everyone else wears, but with a style that advertises their trade. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 14:14:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LJEgqM016030 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:14:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LJD1Zj005542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LJCnZm043159; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from abraxis.com (mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LJCkSF043025 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sandraleigh@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210] by abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id ACA8460B0108; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:12:40 -0500 Received: from Sandra ([216.47.84.65]) by mail.abraxis.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:12:39 -0500 From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Met Books, was Butterick Costume Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:12:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c52e49$f6ca23a0$41542fd8@Sandra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <423E1A2A.6040306@reddawn.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 19:12:40.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3694560:01C52E49] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dawn wrote: >I got a book of costume photos from the Met last week and noticed that >same dress myself. Oh? I've been trying to find *any* decent book on the Met's historical costume collection. For some reason, all the ones I can find focus on their modern clothes, not 19th century and earlier, which is my area of interest. What's the name of the one you have, and what area does it cover? Does anyone have any other titles to suggest? Thanks, Sandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 14:59:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LJxsHX016315 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LJspc0010604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LJj90C074137; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:45:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LJj76K074024 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACDD3BC34 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:44:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423F2452.3000900@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:45:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Books, was Butterick Costume References: <001301c52e49$f6ca23a0$41542fd8@Sandra> In-Reply-To: <001301c52e49$f6ca23a0$41542fd8@Sandra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sandra Olsen wrote: > Oh? I've been trying to find *any* decent book on the Met's historical > costume collection. For some reason, all the ones I can find focus on > their modern clothes, not 19th century and earlier, which is my area of > interest. What's the name of the one you have, and what area does it > cover? Does anyone have any other titles to suggest? Since several people seem to be interested... The cover says: "The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin Fall 1987" The title page says: "In Style: Celebrating Fifty Years of the Costume Institute" Jean L. Druesedow My copy claims it is a quarterly bulletin, each issue seems to be devoted to a different collection, this is the costume collection. It's a 67 page museum catalog, it has great photos, starts about 1700 and ends about 1950. It's kind of light on text, but has a good paragraph about each item, and multiple photos of most of the dresses. It's primarily women's clothing, but there are some men's waistcoats and banyans of the early 1800's and a few children's dresses. The first 33 pages are pre-1850, and the second half is about equally split between later Victorian and early 20th century pieces. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 15:29:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LKTnrv016452 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LKQ8Zj015114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKPjHE014383; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JIYZZU082726 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DCimR-0002hs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:34:35 -0800 Message-ID: <423C70C0.8060803@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:40 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Do you mean the original url Penny? It was this: http://www.kci.or.jp/photo/collection/007682_a.jpg Sg Penny Ladnier wrote: > JP Ryan, who has student this period extensively, is interested in the > mystery item. Can someone please post the URL again so I can forward > it to her. Janice is one of our instructors. She is not a list member > but is willing to look it over and give her input, for me to pass > along to you all. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 15:35:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LKZdki016488 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:35:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LKW5Zj015918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKW0Mc020215; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:32:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2JIZvD6083522 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD674032E for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8EF37396D; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCPHEIAAhxBgEAAAAB,104b631dd9c42ad036337f088d4e569f Message-Id: <20050319183552.8EF37396D@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Are you looking for the brassiere site? http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1800/15-000210_b or the panier site? http://www.kci.or.jp/photo/collection/007682_a.jpg Hope this helps Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Penny Ladnier" wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:09:23 -0500 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question - JP Ryan, who has student this period extensively, is interested in the mystery item. Can someone please post the URL again so I can forward it to her. Janice is one of our instructors. She is not a list member but is willing to look it over and give her input, for me to pass along to you all. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 15:44:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LKiFJw016544 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:44:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LKZnZj016441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKZk05023715; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:35:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav4.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKZgfx023572 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:35:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:35:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:35:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:35:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 20:35:37.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A3D53E0:01C52E55] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I still wonder why I'd take the time to knit bandages instead of sending money to organizations that provide medical care to these people... ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info > > Interesting. When I mentioned it I didn't think anyone would be > interested. It's just something I found out about 6 months ago... and it > seemed like a very worthy cause. So for all the other folks who have > asked questions I'm sending the URL of the place that I send my finished > product to. Thanks for the interest. Bridgette / Mari > > > http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html > > Mari Stewart > Webmaster > College of Veterinary Medicine > Cornell University > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 15:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LKxU6M016642 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LKvVZj018749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKvLH7038877; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav11.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LKvJwB038745 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:57:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:39:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:39:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BA2@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portefraes - translation request Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:39:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 20:39:10.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[091EB640:01C52E56] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > P.S. What is a portefraes? If it's anything like what it sounds like, and the description would seem not to be too far off, in French it would sound like porte-fraise, i.e. ruff holder. I have no idea if this is just a coincidence, it's just a wild guess, but it might get some people thinking, who know more than I do :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:03:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LL3ViW016691 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:03:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LL1fZj019401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:01:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LL1dEV043148; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:01:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2K7uA5E077516 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 07:56:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320075325.014bd450@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:56:19 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site In-Reply-To: <1a3.2fcaff84.2f6e3207@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 20:55 19/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/19/2005 6:24:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > The gentleman of fortune who runs the site would be most grateful for any > > pictures or other information for the period 1680-1720 on ordinary women > > and ladies of the night. > >Why would they not wear what any other woman would wear? I mean, is there >supposed to be some kind of uniform for prostitutes? Are they high class >courtesans in upper class clothes or working women in hand me downs or >poor women in >rags? > > >Are not his pirates in typical sea faring garments of the time? The >distressing and teching to denote wear and tear or miss-matching of varied >elements of >sailor uniforms is sorta up to the "designer". So too for prostitutes. > > >Were I to design a "wench" that had the feel of the Hollywood tavern-girl >cliche, but was more accurate, I might put her in a worn and patched and >dirty >chemise with a once fine corset over it. Perhaps a fraying and soiled silk >brocade corset...even with tie in sleeves...like in the Kyoto book....for >some >color. Maybe only one petticoat...that doesn't match anything. If she is >actually >working in a tavern, it could be tucked or tied up to reveal some ankle and >leg with stockings [and chemise hem]. Some good accessories might be a >distinct >and eye catching hat, a big purse and a knife and pistol. Beauty patches >always seem a little slutty. No need to shoot the messenger - I was simply passing on the gentleman's request for information. Like I said, does anyone have visual sources for ordinary women as these are scarce at this time? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:06:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LL6O7n016717 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LL55Zj019882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LL50KY046411; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KGEOmT057410 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DD34K-0000r5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:14:24 -0500 Message-ID: <16769300.1111335264214.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:14:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flattering the eminent gemologist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, it's me again with another "gem" question. Hmmmm. Let's see. Flattery Oh yes. You know lots more about gems and semiprecious stones than anyone I know, and you're so kind as to keep answering my questions! Someone on the Paternosters mailing list asks: >Does anybody know if heat-treating carnelian to enhance the color was >a practice known in period? I'll admit that I prefer the color of the >treated beads. (I'm a sucker for the sparklies...*g*) >From the fact that she mentions an A&S competition, I assume she's in the SCA and "period" means before 1600. Aside from being 3,000 miles from all my books and files at the moment (I'm flying home this afternoon) I have no idea what kinds of temperatures are necessary to deepen the red color of carnelian. I'd be willing to bet that if it could be done with period technology, it probably was, in this case :) Would you do me a favor? I'd love to have you join the Paternosters mailing list to field questions like this. It's not a very busy list, as you'll see if you go to the home page (about a dozen messages a month usually, with occasional spurts). I'm sending you an invitation in a separate message. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:09:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LL9UiM016743 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LL8KZj020376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LL8Jn8049557; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2KHImZ5098475 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28556 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:53 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1051.24.4.69.40.1111339128.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <423D9531.1030905@optonline.net> References: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> <423D9531.1030905@optonline.net> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:18:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Ok, weird question. I am in the process of putting in innumerable > lacing eyelets in a kirtle. While I am too lazy to go to the basement > to find Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion( i will do so when i put more > layers on-it is just too cold to go down there in thin stuff) I think > that she does show some close-ups of actual eyelets. > > However, does she or anyone else talk about the color of the stitching? > Anyone know if it was mostly same color, or was the color a contrasting > thread? Does anyone have pictorial evidence that they base their thread > choice on when making lacing holes? > > Puzzeled and lazy, > Jordana Okay, I pulled out my "Textiles and Clothing: 1150-1450" book which has several examples of button and lacing holes that they found. The pictures are in black and white so it is hard to say with certainty if the thread used was similar or contrasting. In at least one picture there is thread of a different color used but...it is much more visible on the underside than on the outer part (it is silk thread on wool fabric). To me that doesn't sound like the color was used as a decoration if you could barely see it. Most of the other 3-4 pictures show that the thread color was similar or the same as the garment. Also, for what it is worth, silk thread seems to be the most frequently used for button/lacing holes. I am not sure if it is more sturdy or what. But if you are going to put your dress in a garbage heap and want those threads to survive, use silk ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:12:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLCMEe016762 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:12:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLBNZj020882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLBKjV052549; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2KHZ22F009414 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDN00FBIVHQK0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:34:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:35:03 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-reply-to: <20050320170539.B8AE5726C@sitemail.everyone.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423DB447.2000602@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <20050320170539.B8AE5726C@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Actually, I am just making an underdress to go with a flemish overdress, but it is fairly like the dorthea von something dress, so it is only about 44(total, not pairs! as I am placeing them for sprial lacing), as I am placing them 2 cm apart. On my last underdress I made them an inch apart, but I also put three of the small plastic noodles from rigaline into the seem. Since I am not doing that in this dress(they ending up pooking out of the fabric at the ends and I want to see what happens without them), I wanted the eyelets to be closer. I did look at the pictures and saw that though she did not mention the color, the thread looked white on the white fabric, and dark on the dark fabric. Of course, since the pictures are black and white, I don't know exactlly ehat it means, but you take your chances. My main problem is that I made both my last sest of flemish and this set reverable, and since I made one layer blue and the other bighe, which side do I choice to blen with? I decided to blend with the blue, but I thought someone on this list might have done more to reserch it. I have also(this morning, after I have done 6 already), decided that a rust color that I have would have looked nicer with the bighe side, and would have looked ok with the blue also, but was wondering if there was any documentaion for contrasting or not thread. (since I don't have any choice and the thread will contrast with at least one side o the dress) Lalah-how many holes does that leave you with making? I was thinging of making that, but was not sure I wanted to do that many holes! Less layt then this morning, (I have already done three holes, started laundry, put away laundry, scrubed bathtub, and repotted two plants!) Jordana Lalah wrote: >Funny you should ask this right now as I am doing that kirtle and had the same question (as well as how close to put the eyelets). I decided that the grids were an inch apart and the eyelets seem be on the grid so I made them an inch apart. I read everything I could find and she only states that they are sewn but doesn't mention the color of the thread. That may be because the back of the garment was in pretty bad shape due to being under the body for so long and the colors were changed. Personally, I am going with the fabric color so they won't show up since making a bazillion eyelets isn't my favorite occupation and they get a bit sloppy at times. Thread the color of the fabric isn't as noticable. Are you making the ropa too? I haven't even started that and I need it for an event the first weekend in April. Where does the time go? > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > >--- J Schueller wrote: > >From: J Schueller >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:25 -0500 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > >Ok, weird question. I am in the process of putting in innumerable >lacing eyelets in a kirtle. While I am too lazy to go to the basement >to find Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion( i will do so when i put more >layers on-it is just too cold to go down there in thin stuff) I think >that she does show some close-ups of actual eyelets. > >However, does she or anyone else talk about the color of the stitching? >Anyone know if it was mostly same color, or was the color a contrasting >thread? Does anyone have pictorial evidence that they base their thread >choice on when making lacing holes? > >Puzzeled and lazy, >Jordana > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:28:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLSGOO016914 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLQLZj023043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLQ5T7067430; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mo1.socket.net (mo1b.socket.net [216.106.88.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2L5Sp5X053551 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:28:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A14376E5 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:28:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAT1 (t1p631.socket.net [64.85.213.124]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1BA1D3D1 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:28:49 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake" ? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:28:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20050321050650.74126.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Note: the side view photo. The sleeve ruffle is not lace like the other pictures and I think that the neck ruffle is also different. And you may be right about the skirt being on backwards. :) De -----Original Message----- Dawn , I have an "observation and question on the museum photo, the description states" "In the eighteenth century, formal dress was so closely associated with Versailles and the French court that it was universally described as the robe ` la frangaise. ****** As illustrated here, the robe ` la frangaise has a fitted overdress. It is open at the front, with a decorative bodice insert called a stomacher covering the corset and ****an underskirt, the petticoat, showing ****under the _splayed drapery_ of the overskirt."**** WHAT SPLAYED DRAPERY? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:36:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLa0p7016981 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:36:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLYHZj023957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLYD15075217; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LEAmp4067359 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:10:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 14:10:42 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321134631.014be768@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:10:40 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <1e0.385ae4c2.2f701930@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > I now believe the overskirt is placed >incorrectly on the mannequin. It is a dress with an (originally attached) >overskirt that should be placed with the opening in the front. I am >looking at >several construction line drawings and photographs of several mantuas in >Avril >Hart's Fashion in Detail as well as the Clive House mantua in Janet Arnold. >What I am seeing is, these mantuas are open completely at the front and what >appears to the be the back is actually the front edges folded back to meet >and fall gracefully, either in semi-pressed folds or a looser, graceful fall >of the fabric. This gown appears to not be constructed at all like the >mantuas I am seeing. > >The one thing I am a bit distressed about is this: the overskirt should >actually have been connected at the back bodice, so that a mistake like this >should not have happened. Apparently this one at some point became >separated. >Some of these mistakes are due to the fact that a garment was used in an >early 20th c. theatrical setting, and was therefore altered to what >suited the >needs of the director at the time. Others were altered during the colonial >revival period so that they could be worn, with the mindset of the late >Victorian era we have seen some really strange alterations, all neatly >done by hand >so that a relatively untrained eye could be fooled into thinking that they >were original. > >I believe Suzi is giving the exhibit designers at the Met way too much >credit. I see mistakenly draped (& dated!) mannequins in museums all the >time. There are three court mantuas in the Victoria and Albert Museum. One, "A gown and petticoat..The skirt is folded sides to centre, but the train would seem to be missing". Two "A gown and petticoat......the bodice.continues into a basque to which is joined a hem length tail, pleated sides to centre. Three "A gown and petticoat....robings which merge with the skirt. These are draped into basques.the skirt is folded sides to centre; the end, embroidered in lighter style, drapes up etc." These are all photographed in the same way as the gown under discussion. I believe the so called ruffles at the waist are actually the basques as described in the V and A book "Four Hundred Years of Fashion" from which the above quotes are taken. There are similar mantuas at Blaise Castle, Bath, and at the Museum of London - the one I am working with, which is also photographed in the same fashion. I cannot find the Dutch "Festival" gown I was looking for, but that is the same. Are you suggesting that all these curators/exhibit designers are incorrect? I think that is hardly likely. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:39:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLdLFK017009 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:39:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLcLZj024428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:38:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLcDKu079000; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LEBxG1068219 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 14:11:54 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321141106.015ceaa8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:11:52 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site In-Reply-To: <49189.209.249.180.217.1111413733.squirrel@webmail.patriot. net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050320192626.014bdad8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:02 21/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > I am sure, from what he said, he also wants ordinary women, and > > those I do not have except at the edges of paintings where they > > are too small, even under magnification, to see any detail. > >Hi Suzi, > > The Laroon street cries prints are good for early 18thC common >clothing. Of course, for any web page it's a matter of finding an >original (out of copyright) edition or getting permission from >someone who has one. I have a book that was printed around 1985, so >it's under copyright. > > -Carol Thank you so much - I had forgot Laroon - and I have some images doh!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:43:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLhbZr017026 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLffZj025031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLfbmE082053; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LEKSOX074414 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050321142022014001dqvue>; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:20:22 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:20:19 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:20:19 +0000 Message-Id: <032120051420.21910.423ED823000995750000559622058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, now that we've discovered this: Who's gonna tell the folks at the Met? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Melody, I think you have hit the nail directly on the head. I have largely > ignored the thread, because I never in my life have seen a dress with such a > front as the one on the Butterick pattern and figured it was not worth my > while to discuss it since so many others were having such fun, and was really > surprised to see the Met dress. I then put it down to the fact that there is > always an exception to every rule! However, I did not notice the link to the > other photos until you mentioned it. I now believe the overskirt is placed > incorrectly on the mannequin. It is a dress with an (originally attached) > overskirt that should be placed with the opening in the front. I am looking at > several construction line drawings and photographs of several mantuas in Avril > Hart's Fashion in Detail as well as the Clive House mantua in Janet Arnold. > What I am seeing is, these mantuas are open completely at the front and what > appears to the be the back is actually the front edges folded back to meet > and fall gracefully, either in semi-pressed folds or a looser, graceful fall > of the fabric. This gown appears to not be constructed at all like the > mantuas I am seeing. > > The one thing I am a bit distressed about is this: the overskirt should > actually have been connected at the back bodice, so that a mistake like this > should not have happened. Apparently this one at some point became separated. > Some of these mistakes are due to the fact that a garment was used in an > early 20th c. theatrical setting, and was therefore altered to what suited the > needs of the director at the time. Others were altered during the colonial > revival period so that they could be worn, with the mindset of the late > Victorian era we have seen some really strange alterations, all neatly done by > hand > so that a relatively untrained eye could be fooled into thinking that they > were original. > > I believe Suzi is giving the exhibit designers at the Met way too much > credit. I see mistakenly draped (& dated!) mannequins in museums all the time. > There is a mid-18c "maternity" gown in a book I have that is placed completely > backwards on the mannequin and isn't any more a maternity gown than any > other gown of its period. The pleats that should align either side of a front > stomacher are left hanging down the back like some child's leading strings! > Again, there is always an exception. However, most of those didn't make it > into museum displays. > > Best regards, > Susannah > > Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring > _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 16:47:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LLlX91017044 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:47:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LLk8Zj025789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LLk6w0086432; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LFUOjL029110 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050321153018014004vpm3e>; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:30:18 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.114; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:30:17 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Leprosy bandages Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:30:17 +0000 Message-Id: <032120051530.3268.423EE88900040FE800000CC422007503300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This is just so uncanny. I've been packing up and lo and behold! I found my grandma's crochet hooks! I'm sure I've got a ball of white crochet thread around here somewhere.......no wait! I'm supposed to be *packing*! *sigh* -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > > http://www.bevscountrycottage.com/bandages.html > > Thanks so much for posting this website, and for a trip down memory > lane. My grandmother used to knit these back in the 60's and it was one > of the few knitting projects I have ever done, mostly because she was > doing it. I don't really knit but love to crochet (and can do it just > about anywhere, like when riding in a car) and per this website, you can > crochet these too. This type of project can sometimes be very soothing, > no pattern or stitch change to keep track of and easy to have on hand. > Off to get a ball of cotton. > > Thanks again! > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 17:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LMIi9i017226 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LMHFZj001324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LMH9rI017040; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LMH6Pd016975 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from [192.168.167.48] (helo=wamui10.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DDVCr-0003Pk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: <32550653.1111443425612.JavaMail.root@wamui10.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:17:05 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flattering the eminent gemologist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oops, sorry, that was a private message. I have no _idea_ how it got to the list! ----- ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 17:33:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LMXwFY017361 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LMWBZj002862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LMVvrd030752; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:31:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2LMVjRg030524 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:31:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2005 22:31:39 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321222256.014bdee8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:31:37 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <032120051420.21910.423ED8230009957500005596220588644208090 70E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:20 21/03/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Ok, now that we've discovered this: > >Who's gonna tell the folks at the Met? And the V and A and the Museum of London, and The Museum of Costume at Bath, and all the other costume museums in the world? This is not on back to front - please read my post. These are court mantuas. This is what they should look like. This is how they are displayed in every museum that has them. They cannot all be wrong, when this is what the costume is made to do. It is a petticoat, which is spread over the panier. The gown has a skirt which is "made" to be turned back on itself - that is how the seams are made, on the outside. I have seen the insides of more than one mantua, and this is what they are made like. See Janet Arnold's notes on the construction of the mantua in her book. There are also other notes on other mantuas in "Costume" the journal of the Costume Society. Somewhere I have seen a whole article on the construction of mantuas, which I thought was in "Costume" but I am missing a couple of copies and cannot find it. They were from the V and A mostly, and were not all court mantuas by any means. The whole mantua idea was based on the man's banyan shaped garment, at the end of the 17th century. This is one reason why stripes go round the arm, instead of up and down. I can explain in more detail if anyone is interested. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 17:53:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LMrS1O017536 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LMprZj005008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LMpnkf048962; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:51:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LMpkFn048742 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:51:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-58-59.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.58.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2LMpVtc015621 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:51:32 +1100 Message-ID: <000601c52e68$2ba901e0$3b3ad9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c52d57$bc96a0c0$18542fd8@Sandra> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:56:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Olsen" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Butterick Costume > Do you suppose that this dress > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_CI.65.13.1a-c.htm > is what the designers at Butterick were trying to replicate? It has the > same "flat" ruffle at the bottom and rather severe hips. > > I wonder why the real dress looks so much better than the pattern... > Maybe the fabric they picked for the pattern was too heavy. > I think the way Butterick have constructed the double skirt doesn't help to make it look good If you click on the description it suggests that you can see an underskirt to quote the description "It is open at the front, with a decorative bodice insert called a stomacher covering the corset and an underskirt, the petticoat, showing under the splayed drapery of the overskirt." (I don't know why they've written that, I can only see one skirt in the picture) and I think perhaps the designer has interpreted the seams that run down the skirt as a split. The ruffles at the end of the sleeves have also been poorly done in the Butterick version. I think this probably is the garment they have based it on as the resemblance is too strong to be just a coincidence. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 18:05:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LN5go2017611 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LN4FZj006330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:04:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN4BK5060040; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN46xl059958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2LMwMmT004453 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:58:22 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:58:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423F52E4.4030905@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:04:04 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > I still wonder why I'd take the time to knit bandages instead of sending > money to organizations that provide medical care to these people... Some folks have more time than they have money, so it's a reasonable other option. But if you've got some money, sending it for the drugs that cure it (when caught early enough) is probably better in the long run. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Happy MidSpring to everyone! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 18:10:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LNAdPV017657 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:10:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LN95Zj006795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN92sC064574; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN8xOV064389 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A4A3B124 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:07:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <423F541D.4080208@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:09:17 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake" ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Note: the side view photo. The sleeve ruffle is not lace like the other > pictures and I think that the neck ruffle is also different. And you may be > right about the skirt being on backwards. :) I think the side view photo may be newer, as I found another picture of this dress associated with another exhibit from 2001-2002: http://www.metmuseum.org/special/Extreme_Beauty/11.L.htm My book (1987) and the other photos both clearly show _lace_ ruffles at the sleeve and neckline (the lace is very clear in the book). Since none of the descriptions mention the lace, I'm betting it is not original to the dress. The museum doesn't seem to mind mixing it out once in a while with various different examples. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 18:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LNBdGd017669 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:11:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LNA2Zj006864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN9tde065411; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LN9qWc065320 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LM6U12L45CIXRNNC@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:09:46 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LM6U12A7EGIXRTE3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:09:46 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:10:08 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423F5450.1020903@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > I still wonder why I'd take the time to knit bandages instead of > sending money to organizations that provide medical care to these > people... > Because you have more time than money. Because the bandages are needed. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 18:49:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2LNnS3w018017 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2LNm2Zj011233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LNleq6099250; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from bellerophon.concentric.com (bellerophon.concentric.com [207.155.248.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2LNlXwN099134 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (root@localhost) by bellerophon.concentric.com id SAA29253; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:47:27 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200503212347.SAA29253@bellerophon.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:47:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200503201735.j2KHZ4NA009507@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2LNlXwN099134 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of this dress. I just had to do both Sunday for an arts judging. Is there some quicker way of doing this? I only unlaced about the first 5 inches and then loosened the laces to the waist. What do you use for a lace? I'm working on a lucet cord. I used hemp cord in the meantime and it snarled ferociously. I haven't been able to make a fingerlooped braid long enough. Julie > > > Funny you should ask this right now as I am doing that kirtle and had the same question (as well as how close to put the eyelets). I decided that the grids were an inch apart and the eyelets seem be on the grid so I made them an inch apart. I read everything I could find and she only states that they are sewn but doesn't mention the color of the thread. That may be because the back of the garment was in pretty bad shape due to being under the body for so long and the colors were changed. Personally, I am going with the fabric color so they won't show up since making a bazillion eyelets isn't my favorite occupation and they get a bit sloppy at times. Thread the color of the fabric isn't as noticable. Are you making the ropa too? I haven't even started that and I need it for an event the first weekend in April. Where does the time go? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 19:04:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M04G3x018164 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:04:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M03AZj012860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M035XW012923; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M0328r012853 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LM6VV1VG4WIU08OB@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:02:58 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LM6VV1KY4GIXRTE3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:02:57 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:03:20 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-reply-to: <200503212347.SAA29253@bellerophon.concentric.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423F60C8.3070504@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <200503212347.SAA29253@bellerophon.concentric.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Julie wrote: >OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of this dress. I just had to do both Sunday for an arts judging. Is there some quicker way of doing this? I only unlaced about the first 5 inches and then loosened the laces to the waist. > > > If you want to lace up quickly, I recommend either using a large, blunt needle or reinforcing the tips of your laces so that they don't fray. >What do you use for a lace? I'm working on a lucet cord. I used hemp cord in the meantime and it snarled ferociously. I haven't been able to make a fingerlooped braid long enough. > > Hemp cord sounds messy. I would use lucet cord if I had the patience to make it, but 1/4-in wide twill tape works well. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 19:15:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M0FirW018282 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M0EgZj013856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:14:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M0Ed4B022383; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M0EYw8022155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 21795 invoked by uid 507); 22 Mar 2005 11:14:23 +1100 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 11:14:23 +1100 Message-ID: <017801c52e74$1c85c520$0302a8c0@mycomputer> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503212347.SAA29253@bellerophon.concentric.com> <423F60C8.3070504@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:14:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Another idea is to sew a thin aglet onto the end. I've dont that with my bodies (corset) lacing and it works well. Glenda. >> > If you want to lace up quickly, I recommend either using a large, blunt > needle or reinforcing the tips of your laces so that they don't fray. > > > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Quot homines, tot sententiae. > ----------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 20:09:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M19Bre018784 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M17aZj017939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:07:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M17Se9060288; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M17EAC060110 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.159.4d6db376 (4262) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <159.4d6db376.2f70c9b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:07:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/21/2005 4:03:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: No need to shoot the messenger I wouldn't dream of it. There's nothing hostile about my post. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 21:17:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M2HMRc019322 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M2FjZj024155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2FYZU009894; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.119]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2FUmT009762 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050322021525.IDFZ5260.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:15:25 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.153.67.123]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050322021524.UOOG4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:15:24 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.8.0]); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:15:33 +1200 Message-ID: <007801c52e85$070a97f0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050321222256.014bdee8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:15:31 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those who aren't familiar with mantua these are some that Suzi has referred to. http://images.vam.ac.uk Type in Mantua and you can see that each mantua in the V&A is constructed differently anyway. So I don't understand why people can't see that this is a mantua with a different folding arangement at the back. http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo4_body.html http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo3_body.html http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo1_body.html Other views. http://www.hrp.org.uk/webcode/content.asp?ID=405 http://www.walespast.com/article.shtml?id=53&image=4 Other mantuas. http://www.tulliehouse.co.uk/fine_costume.htm One that looks remarkably like the Met Museum arrangement. Personally I favour the very early mantua, even though it is worn with those very silly fontages;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com > See Janet Arnold's notes on the construction of the mantua in her book. > There are also other notes on other mantuas in "Costume" the journal of the > Costume Society. Somewhere I have seen a whole article on the construction > of mantuas, which I thought was in "Costume" but I am missing a couple of > copies and cannot find it. They were from the V and A mostly, and were not > all court mantuas by any means. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 21:19:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M2JNTT019335 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:19:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M2ICZj024348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:18:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2IBeZ011650; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:18:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2HqjY011377 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:17:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <423F52E4.4030905@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:17:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2005 02:17:46.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[56A020F0:01C52E85] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > >> I still wonder why I'd take the time to knit bandages instead of sending >> money to organizations that provide medical care to these people... > > Some folks have more time than they have money, so it's a reasonable other > option. But if you've got some money, sending it for the drugs that cure > it (when caught early enough) is probably better in the long run. > > -- > Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent My post really came across as pretty rude and insensitive, didn't it? Now that I re-read it... I apologize, I really didn't intend it this way. I just meant to say that today, to my knowledge, leprosy is pretty easy to cure, and that if we could treat it when it first appears, then it would be great because people wouldn't need those bandages anymore. Is that better? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 21:32:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M2WOYd019440 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:32:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M2V4Zj025349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2V0J5020310; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2Uw8O020263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2M2PDmT007274 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:25:13 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:25:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423F835F.3070405@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:30:55 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <423F52E4.4030905@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > I just meant to say that today, to my knowledge, leprosy is pretty easy > to cure, and that if we could treat it when it first appears, then it > would be great because people wouldn't need those bandages anymore. Is > that better? I didn't mind the first version, so I'm cool. However, when I read about the bandages, I realized that I didn't know much about it, so finally found a page at the World Health Organization about the current state of knowledge and treatment. It can be cured if caught early, but catching it early in remote areas is a problem. "Over the past 20 years, more than 12 million leprosy patients have been cured. The prevalence rate of the disease has dropped by 90% and leprosy has been eliminated from 108 countries out of 122 countries where leprosy was considered as a public health problem in 1985." New cases per year are now under the 800,000 mark. There's lots more here: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs101/en/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 21:42:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M2gGr3019553 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:42:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M2f3Zj026012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2ex6x027242; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2evDY027204 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LM71DUPRKWIXRNNC@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:40:54 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LM71DUILIOIXRK77@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:40:54 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:41:16 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy bandages info In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <423F85CC.1080905@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050321083840.01e23d68@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <423F52E4.4030905@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > My post really came across as pretty rude and insensitive, didn't it? > Now that I re-read it... I apologize, I really didn't intend it this way. > > I just meant to say that today, to my knowledge, leprosy is pretty > easy to cure, and that if we could treat it when it first appears, > then it would be great because people wouldn't need those bandages > anymore. Yes, leprosy is easy to cure _if it's caught soon enough_. The fact is that it's often not caught so soon that patients begin treatment before developing any lesions. Thus people still need bandages. So, by all means, donate money to the WHO or other agencies-- it will do some good, but it won't suddenly make bandages obsolete. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 21:59:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M2xOq7019698 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:59:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M2wGZj026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2w0sl038540; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M2vwWG038434 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:57:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.11.41a8a6c2 (4560) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <11.41a8a6c2.2f70e3a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:57:45 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/21/2005 9:20:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: For those who aren't familiar with mantua these are some that Suzi has referred to. Well, I'm convinced! However, it still doesn't explain why Butterick chose to do a rather poor interpretation of European court dress. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 22:19:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M3J2CD019861 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:19:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M3HiZj027996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3HZqr051335; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:17:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3HXR5051281 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516D4401F2 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0FDEA725E; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:17:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.69] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCP45CAA5z3QEAAAAB,48f5ffac006d326d64a946435156d5e7 Message-Id: <20050322031723.0FDEA725E@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am afraid to total them up for fear I will just quit and never finish. Actually, there are sixteen on each side of the back and fifteen on each armhole and fifteen on each sleeve. I have done the back and one armhole and all but three on the other armhole. On to the sleeves next. I must admit that I am almighty sick of making eyelets about now!!!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- J Schueller wrote: From: J Schueller Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:35:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Actually, I am just making an underdress to go with a flemish overdress, but it is fairly like the dorthea von something dress, so it is only about 44(total, not pairs! as I am placeing them for sprial lacing), as I am placing them 2 cm apart. On my last underdress I made them an inch apart, but I also put three of the small plastic noodles from rigaline into the seem. Since I am not doing that in this dress(they ending up pooking out of the fabric at the ends and I want to see what happens without them), I wanted the eyelets to be closer. I did look at the pictures and saw that though she did not mention the color, the thread looked white on the white fabric, and dark on the dark fabric. Of course, since the pictures are black and white, I don't know exactlly ehat it means, but you take your chances. My main problem is that I made both my last sest of flemish and this set reverable, and since I made one layer blue and the other bighe, which side do I choice to blen with? I decided to blend with the blue, but I thought someone on this list might have done more to reserch it. I have also(this morning, after I have done 6 already), decided that a rust color that I have would have looked nicer with the bighe side, and would have looked ok with the blue also, but was wondering if there was any documentaion for contrasting or not thread. (since I don't have any choice and the thread will contrast with at least one side o the dress) Lalah-how many holes does that leave you with making? I was thinging of making that, but was not sure I wanted to do that many holes! Less layt then this morning, (I have already done three holes, started laundry, put away laundry, scrubed bathtub, and repotted two plants!) Jordana Lalah wrote: >Funny you should ask this right now as I am doing that kirtle and had the same question (as well as how close to put the eyelets). I decided that the grids were an inch apart and the eyelets seem be on the grid so I made them an inch apart. I read everything I could find and she only states that they are sewn but doesn't mention the color of the thread. That may be because the back of the garment was in pretty bad shape due to being under the body for so long and the colors were changed. Personally, I am going with the fabric color so they won't show up since making a bazillion eyelets isn't my favorite occupation and they get a bit sloppy at times. Thread the color of the fabric isn't as noticable. Are you making the ropa too? I haven't even started that and I need it for an event the first weekend in April. Where does the time go? > >Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > >--- J Schueller wrote: > >From: J Schueller >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:25 -0500 >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > >Ok, weird question. I am in the process of putting in innumerable >lacing eyelets in a kirtle. While I am too lazy to go to the basement >to find Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion( i will do so when i put more >layers on-it is just too cold to go down there in thin stuff) I think >that she does show some close-ups of actual eyelets. > >However, does she or anyone else talk about the color of the stitching? >Anyone know if it was mostly same color, or was the color a contrasting >thread? Does anyone have pictorial evidence that they base their thread >choice on when making lacing holes? > >Puzzeled and lazy, >Jordana > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg > >Netscape. 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 22:27:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M3Rxti019941 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M3QQZj028664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:26:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3QOnD057425; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:26:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3QMJO057351 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050322032616014004stiae>; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:26:16 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:26:15 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: OOps was Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna... Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:26:15 +0000 Message-Id: <032220050326.6153.423F90570007E0B50000180922069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ok, I was just asking....I'm sorry... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > For those who aren't familiar with mantua these are some that Suzi has > referred to. > > http://images.vam.ac.uk > > Type in Mantua and you can see that each mantua in the V&A is constructed > differently anyway. > > So I don't understand why people can't see that this is a mantua with a > different folding arangement at the back. > > http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo4_body.html > http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo3_body.html > http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/female_rococo1_body.html > Other views. > > http://www.hrp.org.uk/webcode/content.asp?ID=405 > http://www.walespast.com/article.shtml?id=53&image=4 > Other mantuas. > > http://www.tulliehouse.co.uk/fine_costume.htm > One that looks remarkably like the Met Museum arrangement. > > Personally I favour the very early mantua, even though it is worn with those > very silly fontages;) > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > See Janet Arnold's notes on the construction of the mantua in her book. > > There are also other notes on other mantuas in "Costume" the journal of > the > > Costume Society. Somewhere I have seen a whole article on the construction > > of mantuas, which I thought was in "Costume" but I am missing a couple of > > copies and cannot find it. They were from the V and A mostly, and were not > > all court mantuas by any means. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 21 22:39:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2M3dC3A020085 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M3bxZj029537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3bsbe065313; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:37:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M3bphp065280 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1074962rne for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CeEOwVaGm/sdD0iirghXrytmDFy0H09G+9F+rZOoy4WppGfeVBD3fbAKRVazWwQvkxLpYB/RwgUCC1uRPhSnYzxRSWZP27dsSY5pAoljF+2ZG0XtTBDy4d6Qe/wBIAAtxfTj0mqY1QxKoItROfhmr02hSamWywZ5J/n5mH+d9Bc= Received: by 10.38.208.17 with SMTP id f17mr3942580rng; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.44 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:51 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Portefraes - translation request X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > From: Lena Strid > Not Dutch myself, but one of my work mates is. This is her translation: Please present her with my profuse thanks! > *: this is assuming that the original word is misspelt and that they meant > 'steun'. mea culpa. my typo not the museum's. > P.S. What is a portefraes? supportasse/ porte fraise, golilla, underpropper... whatever your language, it holds up a ruff. > Is this the supportasse from the "Beguines" nunnery? If so, I have a > drawing made by a friend - it does sound awfully like it. It is broken, > joins with a hook and loop, and the "spokes" are a double wire, with a > "neck" and a "head" or "lobe" shape. If not, I would love to see a picture. The museum offers a provenance & literature list that does not indicate a nunnery. "Aankoop veiling B. de Tracy, Gent, 21.22 April 1952". With a squint & liberally applied imagination, I can see the wire twists mentioned in the catalog description. The broken bits, the semi-anthropomorphic (it's a real stretch) wire elements are kinda-sorta familiar. This one has wire windings at the neck size opening. There is no indication of any fabric covering now or previously. Sure happy to swap ya. My crap b/w pic should run thru the scanner ok. Could you pass along your Beguine nunnery info and drawing? I'm interested in doing a 1600 gown w/ open robe (per the lovely V&A one) & gigantic ruff so it needs IMHO a supportasse. Art historians go on about the wire frameworks used to support Dutch ruffs & seem to imply that this is different from covered(?) English ones. I'm currently questing for extant examples and with this Dutch one for a child, I'm worried I've gone a bit far afield. And again, many thanks to Lena's office mate, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 08:20:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MDKDxt002264 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:20:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MDIFZj018377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDI1FR013548; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDHx84013511 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1DDjGX-000733-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:17:59 -0800 Message-ID: <42401B0A.5060909@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:18:02 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 Panier Question -Attention Penny References: <423C3D9B.9070804@earthlink.net> <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> In-Reply-To: <010201c52cae$c835fc40$0200a8c0@yourw04gtxld67> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Penny, I am not getting all the posts. Did you ever get the Url you needed and did Ms Ryan respond? Thanks, Still curious! Sg Penny Ladnier wrote: > JP Ryan, who has student this period extensively, is interested in the > mystery item. Can someone please post the URL again so I can forward > it to her. Janice is one of our instructors. She is not a list member > but is willing to look it over and give her input, for me to pass > along to you all. > > Penny Ladnier, owner > The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com > Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com > Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 08:20:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MDKoSg002271 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:20:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MDJxZj018446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:19:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDJwCP014718; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDJuS1014624 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:19:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1dc.3948ad94 (4004) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.3948ad94.2f717573@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:19:47 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, Not at all! Each of your examples is "a gown and petticoat." The Met gown is clearly not a "gown and petticoat," but (now) a one-piece example (was it in period? We cannot tell!). I cannot make the link between your examples and the Met dress because I cannot see the examples to which you refer. Is it possible that you could give us a link to photographs of any of them? Then we can try to understand your points. In scholarship, Best regards, Susannah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:05:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ME575G002819 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ME3VZj021240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ME3S8C043672; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2ME3PUY043591 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67691 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2005 14:03:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:03:19 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503220216.j2M2FZ1T009909@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It's intersting to see the permutations that everyday costume go through when it becomes court costume. My first thought is six foot wide panniers??...Good for an ostentateous display of weathy, but they don't fit into my template of "attractive". And they must have been a bear to manipulate in a social situation. but then I think about the mid 19th century crinoline, just about as big sideway, and way bigger front to back. For some reason, this variation does not look so "odd/off" to me Mia in Charlotte --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:05:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ME5CtG002828 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:05:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ME3hZj021258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ME3gIk043871; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2ME3bG9043723 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 14:03:31 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050322135927.015c5130@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:03:09 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <1dc.3948ad94.2f717573@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:19 22/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Suzi, Not at all! Each of your examples is "a gown and petticoat." The Met >gown is clearly not a "gown and petticoat," but (now) a one-piece example >(was it in period? We cannot tell!). I cannot make the link between your >examples and the Met dress because I cannot see the examples to which you >refer. >Is it possible that you could give us a link to photographs of any of them? >Then we can try to understand your points. > The images I have are all copyright to the museums and I cannot give links. The one I am working with is also not available for public view, unfortunately, and I so depend on the good will of museums here, I cannot go against them. However, Michaela has given several examples in her post, including one which is very similar to the one in question. To be honest, I don't see that the Met one is any different - I am seeing a gown and petticoat, not a gown. Has anyone actually seen this beastie, and can comment? Or does anyone have contacts at the Met and can ask? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEGpqP003060 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:16:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEFgZj022192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:15:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEFcfc052044; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:15:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEFZif051946 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:15:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1e5.386c68c1 (4552) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.386c68c1.2f71827e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:15:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/22/2005 9:04:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: It's intersting to see the permutations that everyday costume go through when it becomes court costume. My very favorite for outright oddity is the early 19th century British court costume--still required panniers and train, but adopted the high waist of the time, so the panniers are almost up under the armpits! The gowns had to be hideously expensive, and couldn't have been worn anywhere but at court. I would love to know if they could be rented, or if there was a brisk trade in second-hand gowns, or if they were all just cut up and made into other things after the appearance at court. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEKMf1003088 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:20:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEIPZj022500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEILcw054046; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fsmail.lynchburg.edu (fsmail.lynchburg.edu [161.115.184.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEIIGS053999 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formo@lynchburg.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF802D5A784@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT international DVDs Thread-Index: AcUsthgQcbLT/5ijSdOEavDYurkq+gCMmUug From: "Formo, Nathan" To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2MEIIGS053999 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT international DVDs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I recently had a similar problem. A DVD I got for Christmas was coded for the UK only. However I have a DVD burner on my PC at work. Most PC's will not stop you from using foreign DVDs. Using some publicly available software I was able to copy my DVD and when it did it removed the region code from the new DVD I burned. Yes, this did take a little bit of work but as far as I know this does not violate copywrite laws. The copy was for my personal use and I own the original. Since the DVD is unavailable with a US region code it's not like I had any other options. BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson Barony of Black Diamond > >Elizabeth is right about the zones, but multi-zone DVD players >aren't all that hard to find, nor are they necessarily more >expensive. My husband and I bought our multi-zone DVD player >18 months ago from J&B Hi-Fi ( which seems to have shops in >every state except the Northern Territory ) for >AUS$150.00-ish. Yes, it was on special, but the normal price >wasn't so much dearer. It isn't a brand we had ever heard of, >but it does what it is supposed to, which is to play DVDs. >DVD record/write/rewrite/play on the other hand..... they are >much more expensive. ( One day, one day..... ;-) ) > >Joannah ( in Brisbane, Australia ) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:40:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEemo4003229 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:40:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEdjZj024646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEdftT070146; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEdcia070066 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m113.in-tch.com [216.166.191.113]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2MEZio07824 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:35:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <42402F67.2020101@in-tch.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:44:55 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes References: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe because they're "round" and not "flat" in appearance? Perhaps our modern aesthetic prefers the one over the other.... I think folks react similarly to an earlier example of this sort of thing--most people I know personally, when looking at a gown with a french farthingale (late 16th, early 17th c.), find them awkward or silly looking or down-right ugly. I suspect that if we had lived in that cultural environment, we would have seen the fashion as extreme, perhaps, but as a natural extension of styles with which we were already familiar, so it wouldn't have struck us as quite so odd. --sue's two pence worth Mia Dappert wrote: > It's intersting to see the permutations that everyday costume go > through when it becomes court costume. > > My first thought is six foot wide panniers??...Good for an > ostentateous display of weathy, but they don't fit into my template > of "attractive". And they must have been a bear to manipulate in a > social situation. but then I think about the mid 19th century > crinoline, just about as big sideway, and way bigger front to back. > For some reason, this variation does not look so "odd/off" to me > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:48:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEmFbC003270 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:48:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MElBZj025137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEl6jq075604; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2MEl2Rr075493 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:47:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73824 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2005 14:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20050322144656.73822.qmail@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:46:56 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503221358.j2MDvbNK039538@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:costume collections in the southland X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Susanna, Where exactly are you located? I see you do "stuff" at Latta plantation outside of Charlotte, NC. It might be worth looking into the Mint Museum here in Charlotte. They have a surprising amount of things in their costume collection. I don't know exactly what, but they just recently did a mid 19th century display that had 10 or so full dresses, and they had plans for another exhibit of equal size. I thik , off the top of my head, the costume curators mname is Richard Moe, but I can find out for sure. You are welcome at our house ( as is anyone on the list.) Mia Dappert, of the 64th of foot, trying to improve her impression and the rest of the unit every day also, Mrs. Judge Robert Irwin at the Polk house in Pineville, NC (ca. 1800) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:53:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEr3bS003290 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:53:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEq2Zj025706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEq1ph079624; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2MEppvv079427 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 14:51:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050322143510.014bf138@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:51:43 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? In-Reply-To: <194.3b1c4441.2f717e3b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:57 22/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Suzi, >I still think we are not seeing the same things --I cannot relate your >descriptions to either the Met gown or the references I used >originally. If you >can, please direct us to the gowns to which you refer; I am certain >that would >help. http://images.vam.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSS_=%2asform=search_form%26_IXMAXHITS_=15%26_IXDB_=default%26%24%3dIXALL=Mantua%26_IXSESSION_=&_IXSR_=bm1&_IXSPFX_=full/t&_IXMAXHITS_=1&_IXFIRST_=2&submit-button=summary&_IXSESSION_= This is one at the V and A, as referenced by Michaela. What you are seeing on the bottom half of the figure is the petticoat. This has a simple fastening at the back waist. The gown folds back at the waist, and if you struggle to look very carefully you will see, in the gap between the arms and the torso, a small dark area. This is where the fold occurs. The back skirts will then be pleated or folded as required. They would never have been wide enough to fit over the petticoat, which, in a court mantua, was never open. > >I have to agree with you that in general, court mantuas are very >individually (even oddly!) constructed, and reflect more than likely >the creative >impulse of a particular dressmaker (mantua maker!) as well as >the seasonal whims of >fashion afforded by the extremely wealthy of the period. And yes, we know >that the petticoat is constructed to go back on itself. No, sorry to disagree again. It is the gown that is constructed to fold back on itself. The petticoat is plain and simple to show off the fabric. > My point is: the >other mantuas are _open in the front_, and placed over a petticoat, which is >clearly visible. These are specifically not court mantuas - they are "every day" if you can have such a thing. >This one is closed and you cannot see the petticoat because >the front has no open seams or open edges at all. No, what you see is the petticoat, unless there have been major, major alterations. This mantua is not closed, but folded back at the waist. There is not enough material in the gown (court mantua) to fold back. > _Unlike the other mantuas._ >The other mantuas back folds are actually the "front" edges, if you will, >folded or draped around the body to the back. This one is not folded >from the >front at all. Unless you are seeing something that I am just missing. See my explanation further back. This http://www.hrp.org.uk/webcode/content.asp?ID=405 mantua appears to have ruffles at the waist - I think this is the fabric turned back on itself. You can see it more clearly here.http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/rococo/female/dress3_detail2.jpg (Thanks to Michaela for the images, and Nicole for the original photos.) >. In my experience, most exhibit designers are not costume >experts, but are very knowledgeable in the field of museum studies, >conservation, >or art history. Our interests are very, very focused and it is a rare >museum >professional (altho' we all can name several!!) who is also a costume --or >even textiles --expert. In England the exhibits are designed by experts, but in close consultation with the professional costume curatorial staff, who dress the stands, and arrange the costumes. In fact one of the curators at the Museum of London has gone on to design and mount exhibitions in other museums, so I think that maybe your experience and mine are very different. Suzi > >Best regards, >Susannah > >Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring >_www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) > >"We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:54:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEsgJK003303 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MErIZj025794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:53:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MErFqV080611; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MErClY080514 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.110.461b20ce (4362) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <110.461b20ce.2f718b4d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:53:01 EST Subject: [h-cost] THANK YOU ...was a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks so much for pics!! >http://images.vam.ac.uk - and others... The Leconte mantua here does appear to have a similarly constructed front. However, the back appears to be the same type of folding arrangement as some I did see, and does not look like the Met example. The notes do say this gown was altered in the 1920s.... does anyone know how? >http://www.tulliehouse.co.uk/fine_costume.htm >One that looks remarkably like the Met Museum arrangement. Yes, except from the tiny pic it does appear as if the pleats on this one are in the front?????? Wish I could see better.... The other images don't show enough detail or do not show the back at all for us to be able to make a determination as to construction. So the search continues... Thanks again! Best, Susannah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:56:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEuSZG003335 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEt0Zj025905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEsvE9081786; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:54:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fep3.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEsC7h081317 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from danhorn3@cogeco.ca) Received: from MEGAN (d57-118-156.home.cgocable.net [24.57.118.156]) by fep3.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBBC264D for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016601c52eef$143a1760$9c763918@MEGAN> From: "Megan & Dave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c51c71$4c9766c0$4091d6cb@ewalpole> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:54:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sounds like the officer who told my sister that her birth certificate was expired. I figure she must be the only person on the planet with an expired birth certificate. Gwenhyfar > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear through > > or the man was being a down right A-H. > > De > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:58:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MEwbED003352 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:58:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MEssbP025896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDvZWM039494; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MDvXiN039423 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.194.3b1c4441 (4004) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:57:15 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <194.3b1c4441.2f717e3b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:57:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi, I still think we are not seeing the same things --I cannot relate your descriptions to either the Met gown or the references I used originally. If you can, please direct us to the gowns to which you refer; I am certain that would help. I have to agree with you that in general, court mantuas are very individually (even oddly!) constructed, and reflect more than likely the creative impulse of a particular dressmaker (mantua maker!) as well as the seasonal whims of fashion afforded by the extremely wealthy of the period. And yes, we know that the petticoat is constructed to go back on itself. My point is: the other mantuas are _open in the front_, and placed over a petticoat, which is clearly visible. This one is closed and you cannot see the petticoat because the front has no open seams or open edges at all. _Unlike the other mantuas._ The other mantuas back folds are actually the "front" edges, if you will, folded or draped around the body to the back. This one is not folded from the front at all. Unless you are seeing something that I am just missing. I think photos of your examples would help. I am certainly not the world's expert on mantuas, and am not trying to argue. H-costume has always been, to me, the forum by which I learn and share what I have learned. Actually, I feel a study visit to actually view mantuas (not just in pictures & diagrams!) in some American collections coming on.... are there any that anyone knows of at CW, in Richmond, Winterthur, or any private collections south of the Mason/Dixon line that anyone can recommend? I don't have travel resources to go up North just now. The sack-back gown was slightly later than these pre-mid 18c gowns, so cannot see the tie-in that someone else referred to there. One cannot imitate a look that hasn't happened yet in the historical timeline. And as for informing the Met, I do not know anyone there. I believe as far as museums settings overall, that eventually the general scholarship will improve. I will not enumerate the countless errors I have observed in museum exhibits, out of respect for the hard and valuable work that they do. They are performing a good and valuable service by collecting, housing, and conserving these artifacts from which we can learn a great deal. Remember what kinds of things we used to see in museums in the 1960s - 1980s. As we get information out into the public realm, the museums generally pick up the information and apply it. In my experience, most exhibit designers are not costume experts, but are very knowledgeable in the field of museum studies, conservation, or art history. Our interests are very, very focused and it is a rare museum professional (altho' we all can name several!!) who is also a costume --or even textiles --expert. Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 09:59:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MExwNq003361 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:59:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MExCZj026354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEx984085082; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:59:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MEx758084995 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:59:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.117 ([204.127.197.117]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005032214590201400504rbe>; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:02 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.117; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:01 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: WAy OT Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:59:01 +0000 Message-Id: <032220051459.10463.424032B50003C310000028DF22007340760809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Oh...That is just *too* funny! I suppose he busted her for not having her death certificate? -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Sounds like the officer who told my sister that her birth certificate was > expired. I figure she must be the only person on the planet with an expired > birth certificate. > > Gwenhyfar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear > through > > > or the man was being a down right A-H. > > > De > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 10:27:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MFRZj4003605 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M8OPZj018833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:24:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M8OLGS043975; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:24:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41823.mail.yahoo.com (web41823.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2M8OEUi043853 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89305 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2005 08:24:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050322082408.89303.qmail@web41823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:24:08 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Butterick Costume" IS it a possible ......."? I wonder..... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I thought the bodice ended in what looked like tabs, much like the Elizabethean tabbed bodices, The front is a little dark to see but the back view is better, which is what put me to wondering if this was a 2 piece outfit. The large court hooped gown in the Arnold book,PoF 1660-80 (p.34 1745-55 The V & A museum) is shown as a continous line,no trim or ruffles or tabs at the outside waistline, only bows on the stomacher. Melody --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/21/2005 7:38:13 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > Susannah9810@aol.com writes: > > Melody, I think you have hit the nail directly on > the head. > > > I was going to advise that we not judge too hastily, > as the possibly > Venetian court dress in the Kyoto book looks similar > from the front, but, after > seeing the back of both it and the dress at the Met, > it does seem that the Met's > is backwards, doesn't it. Also, the ruffle around > the waist of the bodice is > clearly visible, leading me to believe even more > strongly that the Butterick > pattern was loosely based on this dress. If the > garment has been modified > through the years, do you think that ruffle is a > later addition, too? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 10:27:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MFRZj6003605 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:27:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2M7fGZj016822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2M7f33M018635; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2M7erj3018466 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:40:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050322071244.014be2b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:14:48 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Portefraes - translation request In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > P.S. What is a portefraes? > >supportasse/ porte fraise, golilla, underpropper... whatever your >language, it holds up a ruff. > > > Is this the supportasse from the "Beguines" nunnery? If so, I have a > > drawing made by a friend - it does sound awfully like it. It is broken, > > joins with a hook and loop, and the "spokes" are a double wire, with a > > "neck" and a "head" or "lobe" shape. If not, I would love to see a picture. > >The museum offers a provenance & literature list that does not >indicate a nunnery. "Aankoop veiling B. de Tracy, Gent, 21.22 April >1952". With a squint & liberally applied imagination, I can see the >wire twists mentioned in the catalog description. >The broken bits, the semi-anthropomorphic (it's a real stretch) wire >elements are kinda-sorta familiar. This one has wire windings at the >neck size opening. There is no indication of any fabric covering now >or previously. > >Sure happy to swap ya. My crap b/w pic should run thru the scanner >ok. Could you pass along your Beguine nunnery info and drawing? I'm >interested in doing a 1600 gown w/ open robe (per the lovely V&A one) >& gigantic ruff so it needs IMHO a supportasse. Art historians go on >about the wire frameworks used to support Dutch ruffs & seem to imply >that this is different from covered(?) English ones. I'm currently >questing for extant examples and with this Dutch one for a child, I'm >worried I've gone a bit far afield. I'll see if I can find it among the chaos that is currently my workroom. 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Has anyone actually seen this beastie, and > can comment? Or does anyone have contacts at the Met and can ask? > > Suzi Forgive me for not payign attention earlier in this discussion, but I just made a replica of the Met mantua, Suzi. It's graphed in Waugh's "Cut of Women's Clothes" and Payne's "History of Costume" although the two drafts differ slightly and I haven't had a chance to get to the Met and confirm which (if either) is the correct draft. The ensemble is definitely a gown (mantua) worn with a pleated petticote. Kass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 15:48:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MKmOjr006861 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MKeiZj004226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MKdp9B005056; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.suscom.net (smtp3.suscom.net [64.78.119.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MKdXuw004726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E461DBD48 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp3.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 924C0DBC1A for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:37:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <100b01c52f1f$1cf77c00$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:38:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO . > but then I think about the mid 19th century crinoline, just about as big > sideway, and way bigger front to back. For some reason, this variation > does not look so "odd/off" to me > > Mia in Charlotte > Perhaps because it isn't as disproprotionate? Personally, I love the shape of the antebellum gowns, and I love the way it feels to walk in a hoop skirt. The later Victorian bustle shapes don't appeal to me nearly as much. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 17:22:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MMMfQH007449 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:22:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MMKYZj015675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MMKJL0000404; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from defang8.net.ohio-state.edu (defang8.net.ohio-state.edu [128.146.216.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MMKHCG000309 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:20:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from woodyard.16@osu.edu) Received: from osu.edu (mail-store1.service.ohio-state.edu [128.146.216.22]) by defang8.net.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2MMKD6g005063 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:20:13 -0500 Received: from [128.146.216.30] by mail2.service.ohio-state.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:20:13 -0500 From: SARAH WOODYARD To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <9524995cce.95cce95249@osu.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:20:13 -0500 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound X-Spam-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume history summer opportunity? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, Everyone! My name is Sarah Woodyard and I am a sophomore at The Ohio State University majoring in Textiles and Clothing. I am designing my own major to focus on costume history and fashion design. I volunteer at the historic costume and textile collection and work in the costume shop at the theater. I am looking for summer opportunities that would give me experience with reproduction work. If anyone has any opportunities available or knows of someone who does I would appreciate it. Thank you so much! Sarah Woodyard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 17:56:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MMuEg4007743 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MMsdZj019291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MMsXGN031831; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MF0OHF086100 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.11.41b1d902 (4362) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <11.41b1d902.2f718cfa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:00:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:costume collections in the southland To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Mia, I am in Monroe. recently moved back after being out of the area for several years. I was a Mecklenburg Docent and began my living history career at Polk. Remember me to Carolyn Dilda, tell her I have neglected to write her as of yet but PROMISE to do so soon! I am also the Town Planner for Weddington. We should get together... I am trying to remember... 64th is a Highland unit, right? Which one? Take care, Best, Susannah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 18:00:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MN08VN007760 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:00:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MMwrZj019897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:58:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MMwqf0035887; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:58:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MF5g5I090402 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:05:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.199.3b6a118a (4362) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: <199.3b6a118a.2f718e32@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:05:22 EST Subject: Thanks again Re: [h-cost] Now who's gonna...was a possible double mistake"? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5005 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi Suzi & list, I appreciate all the links and explanation. !!!! Unfortunately I have gone over my email time this morning on this fascinating subject and will have to save your emails to peruse in depth tonite. Thanks again for all the help... I can see there is much scope here. Wish I could look again just now but have to get back to work! 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 18:08:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2MN8f4Q007812 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2MN7QZj020823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:07:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MN7Owt043849; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from fep1.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2MJURt2041095 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from danhorn3@cogeco.ca) Received: from MEGAN (d57-118-156.home.cgocable.net [24.57.118.156]) by fep1.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77F96AAD for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <024001c52f15$adda9810$9c763918@MEGAN> From: "Megan & Dave" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050322184804.86390.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WAy OT Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:31:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We live in Ontario, and my mother is from Michigan, so we did a lot of cross bordering when I was a kid, and my parents drilled into us from the time we could talk about behaving at customs, etc. That time it was my mother who almost lost it. She did file a formal complaint about the guy though, so hopefully he'll be informed that Birth Certificates Don't Expire. and no one else will have the same story. Gwenhyfar > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lady Satine" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: WAy OT Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > ROFL!!!!!! > > satine > > Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > Oh...That is just *too* funny! I suppose he busted her for not having her death certificate? > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Sounds like the officer who told my sister that her birth certificate was > > expired. I figure she must be the only person on the planet with an expired > > birth certificate. > > > > Gwenhyfar > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear > > through > > > > or the man was being a down right A-H. > > > > De > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 20:36:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N1aksL008576 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N1XhZj003976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:33:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N1UmoJ058917; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com (web41901.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2N1UfSa058746 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:30:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98164 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 01:30:36 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pGYVJcHj4C+dkXUXXofKD/CJgxF/Jcr1UlFoRZSzhD97I7j5nMczIeWibKyB5dues0jZxb4NZRZtpoAVloRHQp52pMAc+9eT2GXLYlcQEvyE+xCETcsEp50uvYa2Ggo+cafumvu6Quz/UC2c2jf9+TW5VraG9YVJht3MEetDZJ4= ; Message-ID: <20050323013036.98162.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.171] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:30:36 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bad Phish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow Hearing stories like this explains some of my frineds attitudes! Including Seamus' and congrats on the awards at clancy well met!!!!! Satine Megan & Dave wrote: We live in Ontario, and my mother is from Michigan, so we did a lot of cross bordering when I was a kid, and my parents drilled into us from the time we could talk about behaving at customs, etc. That time it was my mother who almost lost it. She did file a formal complaint about the guy though, so hopefully he'll be informed that Birth Certificates Don't Expire. and no one else will have the same story. Gwenhyfar > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lady Satine" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: WAy OT Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish > ROFL!!!!!! > > satine > > Elena O'Tighearnaigh wrote: > Oh...That is just *too* funny! I suppose he busted her for not having her death certificate? > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Sounds like the officer who told my sister that her birth certificate was > > expired. I figure she must be the only person on the planet with an expired > > birth certificate. > > > > Gwenhyfar > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > I guess either customs didn't have an xray machine to run the bear > > through > > > > or the man was being a down right A-H. > > > > De > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 22:50:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N3oYOH009248 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N3mDZj014351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:48:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N3m6Wg048898; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:48:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N3m4FT048792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:48:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.39] (acty3039.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.39]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2N3lqSQ019630 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <4240E6E5.3010105@dandy.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:47:49 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirate site References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320075325.014bd450@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050320075325.014bd450@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, All. Suzi, there are a number of earlier types of works like the Laroon, showing working class folks, going back to the 16th cent. (Weiditz, Vecellio) I like the earlier dates of the Golden Age of Piracy (the 1660s through 1690s) A good image source in this earlier period is "Les petits metiers a Paris au XVIIe siecle" by Charlotte Lacour-Veyranne pub Musee Carnavalet (Paris Musees) 1997 ISBN 2-87900-356-3 It has a series of engravings dated 1676 by the Bonnart clan of engravers (Henri, Jean-Baptiste, Nicholas and Robert) which has 5 engravings of women (cheese seller, broom seller, nursemaid, milkmaid and sister of charity). There will be no shooting of messengers here! I suppose I could send this info to the Brethren of the Bay (US Pirate) list (I think Ed is on it) but I thought I'd broadcast it as widely as possible. Cheers, Mike T. > > No need to shoot the messenger - I was simply passing on the > gentleman's request for information. Like I said, does anyone have > visual sources for ordinary women as these are scarce at this time? > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 22 23:26:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N4QChY009428 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:26:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N4PCZj017242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N4Owv0072634; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N4OtoM072539 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2N4Ont23742 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:24:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:26:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4240E6E5.3010105@dandy.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vecellio: was Pirate site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, One thing to remember when dealing with Vecellio et al, is that they were often copies of earlier books. Here's an article that traces the history of these books. Olian, J.A. (1977) Sixteenth-century costume books. Dress (3), 20-48. cheers, Althea On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 07:47 PM, michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. Suzi, there are a number of earlier types of works like the > Laroon, showing working class folks, going back to the 16th cent. > (Weiditz, Vecellio) I like the earlier dates of the Golden Age of > Piracy (the 1660s through 1690s) A good image source in this earlier > period is "Les petits metiers a Paris au XVIIe siecle" by Charlotte > Lacour-Veyranne pub Musee Carnavalet (Paris Musees) 1997 ISBN > 2-87900-356-3 It has a series of engravings dated 1676 by the Bonnart > clan of engravers (Henri, Jean-Baptiste, Nicholas and Robert) which > has 5 engravings of women (cheese seller, broom seller, nursemaid, > milkmaid and sister of charity). > There will be no shooting of messengers here! I suppose I could send > this info to the Brethren of the Bay (US Pirate) list (I think Ed is > on it) but I thought I'd broadcast it as widely as possible. Cheers, > Mike T. > > >> >> No need to shoot the messenger - I was simply passing on the >> gentleman's request for information. Like I said, does anyone have >> visual sources for ordinary women as these are scarce at this time? >> >> Suzi >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 00:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N51Lk7009549 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:01:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N509Zj020136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N4xveW094231; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N4xt9X094175 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-6.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2N4xot01569 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:59:50 -0600 Message-ID: <4240F821.3060308@wideopenwest.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:01:21 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: WAy OT Re: [h-cost] Re: OT? Bad Phish References: <20050322184804.86390.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> <024001c52f15$adda9810$9c763918@MEGAN> In-Reply-To: <024001c52f15$adda9810$9c763918@MEGAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO We should trade border guard stories sometime, Gwenhyfar. I was born in Michigan but my mom came to the US from Toronto in the 1950s. I grew up with one foot on each border, with lots of visits to Canada every year. One time my gram bought some oranges at a little fruit stand before we hit the bridge. We used to bring fruit back all the time. Ah, those juicy Canadian peaches that dribbled juice down your chin.... *ahem*, anyway, the guard decided to confiscate the oranges. My gram knew darn well that once confiscated the guard would take the oranges for himself, so she stepped out of the car, stomped on every orange and threw the squished fruit in the trash. "There, now you can't eat them yourself!!" The guard was flabbergasted and mom and I were laughing ourselves silly. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 00:28:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N5SirW009675 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N5RfZj021831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:27:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N5RZ9x010088; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N5RUnC009963 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09842 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:41:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:41:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-Reply-To: <200503212347.SAA29253@bellerophon.concentric.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Julie wrote: > OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who > came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of > this dress. I just had to do both Sunday for an arts judging. Is > there some quicker way of doing this? I only unlaced about the first > 5 inches and then loosened the laces to the waist. I use a long long long piece of ribbon or cord (still playing with options) and tie a blunt tapestry needle on the end with a slipknot. That makes it easy to lace up. The needle stays there (I tuck it into the lining at the cleavage while I'm dressed). When I unlace, I un-sew about 6 inches worth of eyelets, and loosen the rest. This is enough to allow me to shimmy out of the dress. Once you're used to doing this, the loosening goes rather quickly. If I'm in a big hurry, I untie or even cut off the needle and whip the lacing right out of the top few inches of holes (one pair at a time). Then I tie the needle back on so I don't lose it. I've been playing with fingerlooping a long enough string by looping the starting end of my fingerlooped braid around enough additional loops to do a complete other braid in the other direction. I did a nice long braid in one direction (took me an evening) and set the project down. That was more than a year ago. I don't think I can even remember what braiding pattern I was using, so I'll probably have to start all over. And this was with nice fine silk thread, so it was a really delicate but strong lace. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 02:51:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N7pU2p022454 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:51:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N7nRZj001074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N7nHMP096366; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2N7n5KN096182 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 07:49:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323074317.014bf698@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:48:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 191 In-Reply-To: <20050322142607.zyth09br27rc4so8@reconstructinghistory.com> References: <200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com> <200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 14:26 22/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Quoting h-costume-request@indra.com: >>To be honest, I don't see that the Met one is any different - I am seeing a >>gown and petticoat, not a gown. Has anyone actually seen this beastie, and >>can comment? Or does anyone have contacts at the Met and can ask? >> >>Suzi > >Forgive me for not payign attention earlier in this discussion, but I just >made >a replica of the Met mantua, Suzi. It's graphed in Waugh's "Cut of Women's >Clothes" and Payne's "History of Costume" although the two drafts differ >slightly and I haven't had a chance to get to the Met and confirm which (if >either) is the correct draft. > >The ensemble is definitely a gown (mantua) worn with a pleated petticote. Kass I cannot find a matching pattern in my "Cut of Women's Clothes". There are two patterns, both from English museums, one of a dress in white, one in pink. Am I being obtuse - I thought the Met one was blue? I don't have the Payne book. Both the mantuas in Waugh confirm what I have been saying all along. Each has a separate petticoat, and a gown which turns back on itself to form the pleats at the back. Susannah, the drawing of these mantuas show, more clearly than I can describe, what I have been trying to explain. If you have a copy of Waugh (I can't speak for Payne) it would be worth your while to take a look I think. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 03:21:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2N8LZVV031974 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:21:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2N8KKZj002781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N8JhYj015846; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:19:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2N8JP9J015728 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2N8JKWc015077 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:19:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050323021737.031e9480@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:18:46 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050322143510.014bf138@127.0.0.1> References: <194.3b1c4441.2f717e3b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone happen to know of a museum that has a collection of early 19th century (Regency) bonnets or hats? I'm looking for 1806-7 in particular. Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 06:54:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NBs38b011301 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NBr1Zj017203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NBqqKb044691; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NBqo2w044612 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1f9.622a8ce (16930) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9.622a8ce.2f72b283@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:52:35 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/23/2005 3:22:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dannw@mn.rr.com writes: Does anyone happen to know of a museum that has a collection of early 19th century (Regency) bonnets or hats? I'm looking for 1806-7 in particular. Good luck--they are scarcer than hen's teeth. Hats were re-trimmed and, I think, worn until they wore out, so there are very few in museums. I know of one 1820-ish straw bonnet in the DAR collection in Washington, DC, and an 1820-ish turban in the Hampshire County Museum, in England. If anyone on this list knows of any, I would love to hear about it. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 10:23:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NFNgFt013016 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:23:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NFMEZj015450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NFM0K8089261; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:22:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NFLsTx089107 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanna.hobbins@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so187349wra for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:21:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:from; b=Amyd99bfqD0KUvVdEpetSazV+gsQ9Zhqc4vSPijpQNdyKgGNFgBnwgzs/ZTIyLA2DZeteOBzRLqD8VtFwLi6vQbJH9Z8OiXYSyLuUdVdU/75tRLuJgsBKK+ZYczAMwdJbXR0sD5WMm1GL6gSKklRSFEF36Q6G7vaf0WwEbr/FPk= Received: by 10.54.92.4 with SMTP id p4mr375312wrb; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from LIBRARY2162 ([132.216.28.131]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d7sm61373wra.2005.03.23.07.21.48; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:21:48 -0800 (PST) To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <05BE78B0CF1BBC4BBA4AA255568D86110F874D@EXCHANGE2VS1.campus.mcgill.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20050323021737.031e9480@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 From: Joanna X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO You can try the McCord Muesum. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca Go to their searchpage and you can get very specific ie caps 1805-1810 will get a couple of hits. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. Greetings, Does anyone happen to know of a museum that has a collection of early 19th century (Regency) bonnets or hats? I'm looking for 1806-7 in particular. Cheers, Danielle Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 10:58:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NFwoCS014821 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:58:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NFveZj019461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:57:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NFvXdo020839; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NFvTS5020784 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DE8Ea-0000gX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <4915489.1111593448583.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:57:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leprosy Bandages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2NFvTS5020784 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Is this an organized activity too? How pleasurable to make small things for needy babies... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- From: ~Angelique Sent: Mar 22, 2005 12:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Leprosy Bandages …… Knitting for Newborns in Need, Angelique --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 12:08:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NH8E9F015295 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:08:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NH5hZj027380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NH5S5n083403; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:05:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav5.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NH5PDc083223 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:05:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <194.3b1c4441.2f717e3b@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20050323021737.031e9480@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:05:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2005 17:05:20.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EA837E0:01C52FCA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I know Kyoto Costume Institute have a few. They have at least one image online. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. > Greetings, > > Does anyone happen to know of a museum that has a collection of early 19th > century (Regency) bonnets or hats? I'm looking for 1806-7 in particular. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com > Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class > Check out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 14:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NJVsEN016356 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NJU4vC002186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NJTZ3g018175; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NJTWkO018120 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DEBXn-0002yV-8i for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:29:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:27:55 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes References: <200503220216.j2M2FZ1T009909@net.indra.com> <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<7p4N+J2T4zNzYE4tzFiTW2IFkF>) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I do agree. I think of these as walking sofas. I've always had the impression they should be worn with a gentleman sitting on each side Jean Mia Dappert wrote >It's intersting to see the permutations that everyday costume go >through when it becomes court costume. > >My first thought is six foot wide panniers??...Good for an ostentateous >display of weathy, but they don't fit into my template of "attractive". >And they must have been a bear to manipulate in a social situation. >but then I think about the mid 19th century crinoline, just about as >big sideway, and way bigger front to back. For some reason, this >variation does not look so "odd/off" to me > >Mia in Charlotte > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 14:45:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NJjmVi016447 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:45:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NJiLvC003606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NJiHBX031639; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:44:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2NJiAjh031411 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 19:44:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050323194001.015c0cf0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:44:07 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: mantua's and other court costumes In-Reply-To: References: <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200503220216.j2M2FZ1T009909@net.indra.com> <20050322140319.67689.qmail@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 19:27 23/03/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I do agree. I think of these as walking sofas. I've always had the >impression they should be worn with a gentleman sitting on each side > >Jean > > >Mia Dappert wrote >>It's intersting to see the permutations that everyday costume go through >>when it becomes court costume. >> >>My first thought is six foot wide panniers??...Good for an ostentateous >>display of weathy, but they don't fit into my template of "attractive". >>And they must have been a bear to manipulate in a social situation. >>but then I think about the mid 19th century crinoline, just about as big >>sideway, and way bigger front to back. For some reason, this variation >>does not look so "odd/off" to me There is a wonderful drawing by the Polish (?) artist Daniel Chodowiecski who illustrated books on modern manners among other things. It is in the catalogue "An Elegant Art" from an exhibition at LACMA and edited by Edward Maeder. He shows a couple out for a walk, and the young man is walking in front of the lady who is wearing a very wide pannier. Her arm is through his, and they are next to each other, but the edge of her skirt can be seen on his outside. It looks odder than it sounds! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 16:12:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2NLCERa017149 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2NLAZLV005075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:10:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NLALl5014128; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NLAGv2014018 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 8AE0C1434BD; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust11.tnt3.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.197.11]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 044DA1433DD for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <06b301c52fec$d6430170$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com><200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050323074317.014bf698@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 191 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:11:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO If I'm understanding it correctly, I think a really big source of confusion here lies with understanding that Suzi and others are using the term 'petticoat' for what some are thinking of as the gown's skirt, and that the 'gown' Suzi et al refer to looks more like a bodice with a fancy extension, mostly in the back. Terminology of the era getting in the way, etc--the modern eye is most likely to see this as a two-piece gown, rather than a one piece gown over a matching petticoat. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 19:24:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O0OCX6017927 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O0LhLV000391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:21:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0LdmK078988; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav12.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NH4tPc082699 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:04:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:04:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2005 17:04:44.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[69458470:01C52FCA] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >> OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who >> came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of >> this dress. Okay, I tried to answer this one yesterday but couldn't get my ideas organized. I think you should use something slippery as lacing. Not too slippery that you won't be able to tie it, but as slippery as possible. You'll damage the eyelets much less that way, and it will be much, much easier to get your things laced and unlaced. Also, the lacing doesn't need to be thick, I use a flat satin lace maybe 2mm wide at most. That way I can get in and out of my corset by miself, and it's laced in the back. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 19:28:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O0S3MG017949 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:28:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O0QjLV000916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0QfeQ082775; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms3.lga2.nytimes.com (ms100.lga2.nytimes.com [199.239.138.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NIxQtL089306 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emailthis@ms3.lga2.nytimes.com) Message-Id: <200503231859.j2NIxQtL089306@net.indra.com> Received: from mscnx.prvt.nytimes.com (mscnx02.prvt.nytimes.com) by ms3.lga2.nytimes.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.00076439@ms3.lga2.nytimes.com>; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:59:08 -0500 From: joanmj@surewest.net Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:59:06 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Originating-IP: [64.30.124.24] X-Initiated-By: [nytimes.com website user] Mime-version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NYTimes.com: Museum Gets Grant to Catalog Costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This page was sent to you by: joanmj@surewest.net. 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NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 19:37:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O0brNe018008 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:37:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O0apLV001989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:36:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0ajxq090211; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:36:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2NLAnmB014538 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (root@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id QAA29000; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:10:49 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200503232110.QAA29000@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200503231522.j2NFM0Gf089267@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2NLAnmB014538 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lacing eyelets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > > OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who > > came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of > > this dress. I just had to do both Sunday for an arts judging. Is > > there some quicker way of doing this? I only unlaced about the first > > 5 inches and then loosened the laces to the waist. > > I use a long long long piece of ribbon or cord (still playing with > options) and tie a blunt tapestry needle on the end with a slipknot. That > makes it easy to lace up. The needle stays there (I tuck it into the > lining at the cleavage while I'm dressed). When I unlace, I un-sew about 6 > inches worth of eyelets, and loosen the rest. This is enough to allow me > to shimmy out of the dress. Once you're used to doing this, the loosening > goes rather quickly. > > If I'm in a big hurry, I untie or even cut off the needle and whip the > lacing right out of the top few inches of holes (one pair at a time). Then > I tie the needle back on so I don't lose it. > > > --Robin OK. That describes what I did. I even have a lovely antiqueish flat bodkin that fits perfectly through the eyelets. I thought I must be doing something wrong. It's just a time consuming process. Thanks. Now I need a sideless surcoat pattern for my next project Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 19:58:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O0wqNX018115 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:58:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O0swN2003626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:57:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0gt95095011; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0gqcH094924 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1c1.24c4f788 (4410) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1c1.24c4f788.2f736700@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:42:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] More clothing notes: Pepys diary To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/23/2005 7:08:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1127174355.e431f1@thibault.org writes: I do think to keep to black and gold lace upon gray, being the colour of my arms, That sounds rather classy, and rather subdued, given livery in general. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 20:14:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O1E0BH018150 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O1CcLV005600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O1CVLV017792; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O1CQbW017709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2O16amT029697 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:06:36 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:06:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <424213F7.9000205@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:12:23 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More clothing notes: Pepys diary References: <1c1.24c4f788.2f736700@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1c1.24c4f788.2f736700@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > That sounds rather classy, and rather subdued, given livery in general. Yes, although the servant in question is a house-servant of some sort (there's probably more info at the link) so he wouldn't need to be as flashy as a herald or more public duty. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Binary-numbered clock & Geek Mandalas! http://www.cafeshops.com/virtueventures _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 20:21:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O1L9ah018176 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O05RLV028461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:05:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0572k065967; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O0544t065923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2NNxFmT028741 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:59:16 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:59:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4242042F.3000403@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:05:03 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More clothing notes: Pepys diary X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sunday 23 March 1661/62 http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1662/03/23/index.php (Lord’s day). This morning was brought me my boy’s fine livery, which is very handsome, and I do think to keep to black and gold lace upon gray, being the colour of my arms, for ever. To church in the morning, and so home with Sir W. Batten, and there eat some boiled great oysters, and so home, -more- at that URL. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 21:10:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O2AUcH018346 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:10:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O29TLV010088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O29N1N055768; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:09:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O29LC7055697 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1da.38cb5682 (17526) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.38cb5682.2f737b47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:09:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Had to get on this bit. When making eyelets, the quick way is to use grommets, what is the historical way? Are they like round botton holes or what? thanks theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 21:36:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O2akMh018492 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:36:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O2YZLV011778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2YQBd072154; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav6.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2YO1x072071 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:34:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:34:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:34:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1da.38cb5682.2f737b47@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2005 02:34:19.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAE36790:01C53019] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Had to get on this bit. When making eyelets, the quick way is to use > grommets, what is the historical way? Are they like round botton holes or > what? > > thanks theresa A little like that, yes. Except you don't necessarily need to stitch all the way around to make it pretty, even if it can be made pretty if you want. You don't pierce the fabric, just slowly nudge the fibers aside using an awl, and then take a few stitches to keep the hole open. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 21:48:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O2mX7m018536 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:48:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O2laLV012671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2lXHe080303; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2lVjS080271 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19140 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:01:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:01:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-Reply-To: <1da.38cb5682.2f737b47@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > Had to get on this bit. When making eyelets, the quick way is to use > grommets, what is the historical way? Are they like round botton > holes or what? Hand-done eyelets are so easy even I can do them. I do lousy buttonholes, but my eyelets are perfectly round and even. And they go very fast -- and never pull out like grommets can. There are some examples of extant ones in the Museum of London's "Textiles and Clothing" book and they're pretty much as one would expect -- round openings held open with overcast stitch, if I'm remembering right. This came up on this list a few years ago, and I just dug out a post I made then, about the method that works well for me. Here's what I wrote: <> To the above I'll add a note: The reason you clip a thread or two on the sides is to keep the fabric from puckering between the eyelets. This applies only to a series of eyelets in a row along the fabric grain You see, you're mostly just pushing the threads apart to create the hole, not cutting or punching a hole. The unbroken threads keep the hole very strong and stable and means you don't get threads pulling away from the hole (a real problem with modern grommet-setting, which involves punching a hole and cutting threads). However, if you do a lot in a row, the vertical threads that would have run right through the middle of those holes, down the whole row, have to "detour" around each one, and end up pulling tight and puckering along the line of the eyelets. Clipping those particular threads prevents that problem. Don't clip the threads that go perpendicular to the row of eyelets. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 21:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O2vMG7018567 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:57:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O2t4LV013422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2t0T5085038; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-dav3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O2swCG084965 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:54:53 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 70.80.198.29 by BAY20-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:54:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.80.198.29] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:54:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2005 02:54:53.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA8935D0:01C5301C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > To the above I'll add a note: The reason you clip a thread or two on the > sides is to keep the fabric from puckering between the eyelets. I think it also depends what kind of fabric you're using. I did eyelets on linen, and it stretches a lot, so I didn't need to clip threads. I'd do it if I was using something that isn't quite as stretchy, though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 22:35:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O3ZnAN018720 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:35:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O3XkLV015655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O3XcvM009384; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O3XJwQ009216 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:33:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.75.41b38b66 (17526) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <75.41b38b66.2f738ef2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:33:06 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5117 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO thanks you and Robin make it sound easy, so will try this way instead of grommets as they do tend to pull out over time. theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 23 23:56:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O4uvX4019278 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O4tdLV020720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:55:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O4tW4S060397; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O4tTaL060347 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:55:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050324045523.FRGK22141.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:23 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.152.107.25]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050324045523.TKHH16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:23 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.8.1]); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:23 +1200 Message-ID: <005301c5302d$b0535500$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com><200503221903.j2MJ2N3o015303@net.indra.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20050323074317.014bf698@127.0.0.1> Subject: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 191 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:22 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Kass > > I cannot find a matching pattern in my "Cut of Women's Clothes". There are > two patterns, both from English museums, one of a dress in white, one in > pink. Am I being obtuse - I thought the Met one was blue? I don't have the > Payne book. The one in the Payne book (History of Costume first ed.) is of the earlier stripey wool mantua, which is the style I prefer;) http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/ho_33.54a,b.htm The met also has another from around this time in a salmon pink. It's in their catalogue Our New Clothes or some similar title. My copy has gone walkabout... http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/ho_1991.6.1a,b.htm The other pattern in Payne from the Met is a Caraco costume. http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com/timeline.htm I have no further info for this one, does anyone else? Lacma has a stunning one from around this time also. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=exhibit&id=6635 Some fashion plate type things (not sure if at this stage they are technically fashion plates.) Click Fashion inthe Age of Louis XIV on the left and textiles of the time will appear on the right, scroll to the dark blue satin mantua. http://www.ulstermuseum.org.uk/collections/art/fashion/ 1740s http://www.gemeentemuseum.com/gm_site_coll_subitem.phtml?id=28 Cream mid 18thC http://metropolis.japantoday.com/tokyo/546/art.asp Blue mid 18thC http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX2.htm prints A mantua c. 1708 - 09, from Clive House Museum, Shrewsbury" in Costume, London, #4, 1970, pp 26 - 31. Does anyone have this? I hadn't heard of this one. regards michaela de rbuce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 01:14:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O6Eg3l019673 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O6DTLV025536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O6DIjc005934; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:13:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O6DH9C005910 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:13:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20590 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:27:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:27:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-Reply-To: <75.41b38b66.2f738ef2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > thanks you and Robin make it sound easy, so will try this way instead > of grommets as they do tend to pull out over time. theresa Do some tests on scrap fabric first, to get a sense of things like stitch size, hole size, etc. and to get your rhythm. Then start your eyelets from the bottom, where people won't be looking closely. By the time you reach the top you'll be a pro. Something else I do: Since I'm usually working on lined fabric (or with a facing behind the eyelets) I run a line of basting, either hand or machine, along the line where I want the eyelets to run, before I start working. That holds the fabrics together and also ensures I get the line of eyelets perfectly straight. After all the eyelets are done, I pull the basting. It's OK if the basting gets caught in your eyelets; just clip the basting off close when you're all done. I do the basting before I mark the eyelets. Then I take a pencil or marking chalk on the wrong side and make small hatch marks along the basting line at even intervals; these form little X's where my eyelets will be. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 01:36:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O6aTgD019774 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:36:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O6YkLV026708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O6Yb0r017997; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O6YZUb017931 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1a3.301707d5 (4584) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.301707d5.2f73b96c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:34:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYTimes.com: Museum Gets Grant to Catalog Costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Now, if only the museum would get a grant to EXHIBIT the clothing! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gCdQ0Y5TvPkMxjm9gXMah2GzV3H/4I/sTbME689mzRYlU93vaNUKuLRXA5YE25HR5eYKsKU0j599BHFQyZwLco1fzI8/U39xRqv9ydaclLMhpxkRtquLBjIBPAiXa/1uQ+H24i09R6RFZ82xhgO13FIRqEaNEfY+R9DMtiLNA9E= ; Message-ID: <20050324070207.42045.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:02:07 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 191 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The met also has another from around this time in a salmon pink. It's in their catalogue Our New Clothes or some similar title. My copy has gone walkabout... http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/ho_1991.6.1a,b.htm The other pattern in Payne from the Met is a Caraco costume. Forgive a stupid question (I'm not a trained costumer, just a seamstress who gets pressed into service), but why would this gown be labelled as "bizarre" silk? That seems like an unlikely qualitative judgment for a museum to make, as they're not usually that subjective -- does this mean something else in textiles, like the way it's woven, or where it was made, or...? Or did they really just decide that it's that odd? Thanks! KP --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 02:48:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O7m3JR002075 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:48:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O7khLV000959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:46:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O7kYUV058849; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2O7kQqo058712 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 07:46:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050324074222.014c0008@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:46:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] In-Reply-To: <20050324070207.42045.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6667> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 23:02 23/03/2005 -0800, you wrote: >The met also has another from around this time in a salmon pink. It's in >their catalogue Our New Clothes or some similar title. My copy has gone >walkabout... >http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/ho_1991.6.1a,b.htm > >The other pattern in Payne from the Met is a Caraco costume. > > >Forgive a stupid question (I'm not a trained costumer, just a seamstress >who gets pressed into service), but why would this gown be labelled as >"bizarre" silk? That seems like an unlikely qualitative judgment for a >museum to make, as they're not usually that subjective -- does this mean >something else in textiles, like the way it's woven, or where it was made, >or...? Or did they really just decide that it's that odd? This is a title used to describe the patterns of silk early in the 18th century. I don't know whether it is a 20th century invention. The silks often have curious obelisks or other architectural items in them I will see if I can photograph the small piece I have, found in a flea market by a generous friend. In this context is does not mean odd. Thanks Michaela for the great images. The Clive House mantua is patterned in Patterns of Fashion. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 03:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2O8XC4v015319 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2O8WCLV005454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O8W3dk085462; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2O8VxNb085425 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:32:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2O8VsHE013858 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:31:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050324022635.02334cd8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:26:59 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] museum costume caches.. References: <5.0.0.25.2.20050323021737.031e9480@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Great, thanks! I will contact them. Cheers, Danielle At 10:21 AM 3/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: >You can try the McCord Muesum. http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca > >Go to their searchpage and you can get very specific ie caps 1805-1810 will >get a couple of hits. > >Joanna > >-----Original Message----- >Greetings, > >Does anyone happen to know of a museum that has a collection of early 19th >century (Regency) bonnets or hats? I'm looking for 1806-7 in particular. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >Instructor on http://www.costumeclassroom.com >Check out my 16th Century English Clothing in Textual Sources class Check >out my Regency Fashion Plates in textual sources class > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 07:16:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OCGqLX022692 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:16:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OCBbLV026084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OCBBPv006461; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OCB4cL006394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:11:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2OC5FmT000712 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:05:15 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:05:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4242AE56.5090900@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:11:02 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] References: <6667> <5.1.0.14.2.20050324074222.014c0008@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050324074222.014c0008@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > This is a title used to describe the patterns of silk early in the 18th > century. I don't know whether it is a 20th century invention. The silks > often have curious obelisks or other architectural items in them I will > see if I can photograph the small piece I have, found in a flea market > by a generous friend. In this context is does not mean odd. I've seen examples of a few of these, and pretty much universally could be described as "designed by Dr. Seuss." They're fun, and unlike what you'd think someone 250+ years ago might have come up with. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Happy MidSpring to everyone! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 07:44:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OCiQKI022873 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:44:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OChTLV003276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OChQMR024979; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:43:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OChORQ024919 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:43:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDU00EMAWOL6I@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:43:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:43:32 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4242B5F4.4060309@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing holes to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off at the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. This is compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back and I need random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to *describe* ow to tie off spiral lacing. Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 07:52:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OCqEd4022898 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OCnqLV003673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OCnml6028662; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OCnkgd028592 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.193.3c36413c (4254) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <193.3c36413c.2f741157@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:49:27 EST Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/24/2005 7:16:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cvirtue+dated+1127217915.18c010@thibault.org writes: I've seen examples of a few of these, and pretty much universally could be described as "designed by Dr. Seuss." Glad someone else has made that association. That's what I have always thought about the bizarre silks, too. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 08:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OD2sAo022978 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OD1uLV004297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:01:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OD1rTt035740; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OD1p4H035670 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.127](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005032413014601300e31tke>; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:46 +0000 Received: from [24.19.213.164] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:44 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:44 +0000 Message-Id: <032420051301.14625.4242BA380006E4E70000392122058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about: take the long cord and push it under the last cross of the lacing and pull on it until it looks like one long rabbit ear with the rest of that long cord making a single tail on the other side of that crossed lacing. Take the two strands of the rabbit ear, give it a good adjusting yank to tighten up that last bit of lacing and then treat them as one strand. Take the single strand of the long tail in your other hand and tie off in *insert favorite knot here*. Do you think that would help? I've been *somewhat* sucessful at this description...There are those who don't know knots... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares -------------- Original message -------------- > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing holes > to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off at > the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. This is > compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back and I need > random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to *describe* ow > to tie off spiral lacing. > > Jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 08:49:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ODnqxk023414 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ODmbLV007122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ODmQ3Y063926; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ODmMUW063875 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23803 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:14 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-Reply-To: <4242B5F4.4060309@optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, J Schueller wrote: > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing > holes to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off > at the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. > This is compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back > and I need random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to > *describe* ow to tie off spiral lacing. Interestingly, I've never needed to tie off. I snug up the lacing completely (this usually means waiting about five minutes after I've fully laced, and retightening, because the dress relaxes -- I do my hair or something in the meantime) and then pass the thread through the top two holes a couple more times. I then roll the rest of the lace around my fingers into a bundle and stuff it down my cleavage, and slip the needle into the lining in such a way that it doesn't poke. And then I forget about it for the rest of the day. I've never known it to slip. I should note that I do my holes offset so that the lace moves on a diagonal from one side to the other, and then I make the top two holes even: o o o o o o o o o o One thing nice about the spiral is that you can overlap the sides of the dress, so any "adjustment" that the dress makes over the day won't cause a gap. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 08:49:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ODnqK7023415 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:49:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ODmsLV007166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ODmrt9064278; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2ODmppi064166 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mara@rileyhome.net) Received: (qmail 43402 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2005 13:48:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20050324134845.43400.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.153.36.171] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:48:45 PST X-RocketYMMF: corbiegirl Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:48:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 191 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think "bizarre" is a period term used for these designs, referring to the striped and variegated appearance of the fabric (the term was also applied to striped tulips and other flowers). So, it's not a pejorative term used by the museum :) -- Mara --- Kathryn Parke wrote: > Forgive a stupid question (I'm not a trained costumer, just a > seamstress who gets pressed into service), but why would this gown > be labelled as "bizarre" silk? That seems like an unlikely > qualitative judgment for a museum to make, as they're not usually > that subjective -- does this mean something else in textiles, like > the way it's woven, or where it was made, or...? Or did they > really just decide that it's that odd? > > Thanks! > > KP http://knittingobsession.blogspot.com/ - knitting blog http://www.knittingobsession.com/patterns.htm - Modern knitting patterns http://www.marariley.net/ - 18th century costume notes and patterns --------------------- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 08:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2ODu5LE023459 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ODsLLV008046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ODsIXw068530; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:54:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2ODsEhY068394 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id A67C34000D8; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:54:04 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 24 Mar 05 13:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <01ed01c53079$27aaacc0$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032420051301.14625.4242BA380006E4E70000392122058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:55:34 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello Wence! We have been wondering about you and your (growing) family. I am sure that you will have memories for a lifetime! How has the babe#1 been taking the trip? We were in Boston for the End of the Year holidays and really enjoyed the opportunity to see our grand kids. Mitchell is in an all day kindergarten; Helena is still a bit of a skirt-hanger (or Roberta is...) We have just returned from a brief semester break. We traveled out to the Hagerstown/Frederick Md. area, collecting Post Offices and some antique paper and textiles. RL is now in the home stretch toward his retirement!! Re the Didot: You will have to get to Roberta on that one. She has heard nothing from the family since her second trip out there (1993?) But I assume that she has Bunda's last known address in Surabaya. The family is well known, I think. We wait with anticipation for the news in May. Now wouldn't that be a retirement present for RL! Our love to all, Kathleen and LLoyd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > How about: > > take the long cord and push it under the last cross of the lacing and pull on it until it looks like one long rabbit ear with the rest of that long cord making a single tail on the other side of that crossed lacing. Take the two strands of the rabbit ear, give it a good adjusting yank to tighten up that last bit of lacing and then treat them as one strand. Take the single strand of the long tail in your other hand and tie off in *insert favorite knot here*. > > Do you think that would help? I've been *somewhat* sucessful at this description...There are those who don't know knots... > > -- > Slan go foill > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > Emer's Needle Wares > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing holes > > to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off at > > the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. This is > > compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back and I need > > random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to *describe* ow > > to tie off spiral lacing. > > > > Jordana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 09:28:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OESvrF023723 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:28:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OERvLV010485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OERrla091123; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OERoFl091038 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AE60E100E0; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:27:44 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 24 Mar 05 14:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <02a401c5307d$db72b460$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <032420051301.14625.4242BA380006E4E70000392122058891160809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> <01ed01c53079$27aaacc0$685183d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:29:13 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Sorry about this folks!!! I mixed up my messages after being away for three days. Please disregard. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > Hello Wence! > We have been wondering about you and your (growing) family. I am sure that > you will have memories for a lifetime! > How has the babe#1 been taking the trip? We were in Boston for the End of > the Year holidays and really enjoyed the opportunity to see our grand kids. > Mitchell is in an all day kindergarten; Helena is still a bit of a > skirt-hanger (or Roberta is...) > We have just returned from a brief semester break. We traveled out to the > Hagerstown/Frederick Md. area, collecting Post Offices and some antique > paper and textiles. > RL is now in the home stretch toward his retirement!! > Re the Didot: You will have to get to Roberta on that one. She has heard > nothing from the family since her second trip out there (1993?) But I > assume that she has Bunda's last known address in Surabaya. The family is > well known, I think. > > We wait with anticipation for the news in May. Now wouldn't that be a > retirement present for RL! > > Our love to all, Kathleen and LLoyd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elena O'Tighearnaigh" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > > > > How about: > > > > take the long cord and push it under the last cross of the lacing and pull > on it until it looks like one long rabbit ear with the rest of that long > cord making a single tail on the other side of that crossed lacing. Take > the two strands of the rabbit ear, give it a good adjusting yank to tighten > up that last bit of lacing and then treat them as one strand. Take the > single strand of the long tail in your other hand and tie off in *insert > favorite knot here*. > > > > Do you think that would help? I've been *somewhat* sucessful at this > description...There are those who don't know knots... > > > > -- > > Slan go foill > > Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri > > > > Emer's Needle Wares > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing holes > > > to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > > > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off at > > > the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. This is > > > compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back and I need > > > random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to *describe* ow > > > to tie off spiral lacing. > > > > > > Jordana > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 09:32:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OEWmiD023742 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OEVkLV010786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:31:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEVkZt094038; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (cleveland.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEVgus093917 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from ASSP-nospam [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.13) id AF47F400E0; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:31:35 -0500 Received: from 209.131.81.104 ([209.131.81.104] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam ; 24 Mar 05 14:31:34 -0000 Message-ID: <02b501c5307e$65811ca0$685183d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503232110.QAA29000@arkroyal.concentric.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lacing eyelets Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:33:05 -0500 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I also have several of these. The seem to have been prolific in the last quarter of the 19th C-first Q of the 20th. The size of the eyes differ slightly; they were also made of ivory. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] lacing eyelets > > > > > > OK. Speaking of kirtles, I just finished one and have to ask. Who > > > came up with spiral lacing?! It takes forever to get into and out of > > > this dress. I just had to do both Sunday for an arts judging. Is > > > there some quicker way of doing this? I only unlaced about the first > > > 5 inches and then loosened the laces to the waist. > > > > I use a long long long piece of ribbon or cord (still playing with > > options) and tie a blunt tapestry needle on the end with a slipknot. That > > makes it easy to lace up. The needle stays there (I tuck it into the > > lining at the cleavage while I'm dressed). When I unlace, I un-sew about 6 > > inches worth of eyelets, and loosen the rest. This is enough to allow me > > to shimmy out of the dress. Once you're used to doing this, the loosening > > goes rather quickly. > > > > If I'm in a big hurry, I untie or even cut off the needle and whip the > > lacing right out of the top few inches of holes (one pair at a time). Then > > I tie the needle back on so I don't lose it. > > > > > > > --Robin > > OK. That describes what I did. I even have a lovely antiqueish flat bodkin that fits perfectly through the eyelets. I thought I must be doing something wrong. It's just a time consuming process. > Thanks. > > Now I need a sideless surcoat pattern for my next project > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 09:42:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OEg4tG023826 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:42:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OEeZLV011459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEeVQF000170; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OEeOBT099920 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 14:40:18 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050324143808.014c02e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:40:22 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-Reply-To: References: <4242B5F4.4060309@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 08:02 24/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, J Schueller wrote: > > > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing > > holes to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off > > at the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. > > This is compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back > > and I need random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to > > *describe* ow to tie off spiral lacing. > >Interestingly, I've never needed to tie off. I snug up the lacing >completely (this usually means waiting about five minutes after I've fully >laced, and retightening, because the dress relaxes -- I do my hair or >something in the meantime) and then pass the thread through the top two >holes a couple more times. I then roll the rest of the lace around my >fingers into a bundle and stuff it down my cleavage, and slip the needle >into the lining in such a way that it doesn't poke. > >And then I forget about it for the rest of the day. I've never known it to >slip. > >I should note that I do my holes offset so that the lace moves on a >diagonal from one side to the other, and then I make the top two holes >even: > >o o >o > o >o > o >o > o >o > o > >One thing nice about the spiral is that you can overlap the sides of the >dress, so any "adjustment" that the dress makes over the day won't cause a >gap. For 18th century lacing, put the end of the cord back through the last eyelet, making a loop. Then put the end of the cord through the loop and pull tight. Never budges, and you only have to pull on the loop to undo it. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 09:56:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OEuFKT023924 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:56:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OEsELV012457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEs73A010016; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEs1X5009940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2OEmBmT002040 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:48:11 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:48:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4242D487.30404@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:53:59 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have two dresses with spiral lacing, both 15th c. kirtle types. I leave the lace in the holes and just loosen it up. As a result, I've never actually *finished* the holes. I took my blunt-ended needle with the ribbon in it and wiggled it through the fabric and lining, up and up, and then it was done. Although I'm not sure I'd encourage someone who wants to do the whole job to take this easy way out, it would be a good way to figure out exactly where you want to put permanant eyelets before you start sewing. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 09:58:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OEw7HE023946 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:58:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OEv9LV012794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OEv95c012264; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OEuRM5011633 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005032409561920017 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:56:19 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j2OEuH0j026078 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:56:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004401c53081$a22ab730$54a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:56:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO So how does one "fingerloop"? Are there instructions or pictures somewhere? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > I've been playing with fingerlooping a long enough string by looping the > starting end of my fingerlooped braid around enough additional loops to do > a complete other braid in the other direction. I did a nice long braid in > one direction (took me an evening) and set the project down. That was more > than a year ago. I don't think I can even remember what braiding pattern I > was using, so I'll probably have to start all over. And this was with nice > fine silk thread, so it was a really delicate but strong lace. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 10:05:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OF5R4D023979 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OF4DLV013169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OF49l4017813; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:04:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com ([83.141.69.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OF4639017773 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lstrid@mglarc.com) Received: by oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BC7@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> From: Lena Strid To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:03:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There is a picture in the MoL book*. Don't know which page, though. Phiala's string page has instructions too. (http://www.stringpage.com/braid/fl/fingerloop.html) *: "Museum of London: Textiles and Clothing" /Lena -----Original Message----- From: Kate Pinner [mailto:pinner@mccc.edu] Sent: 24 March 2005 14:56 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? So how does one "fingerloop"? Are there instructions or pictures somewhere? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets > I've been playing with fingerlooping a long enough string by looping the > starting end of my fingerlooped braid around enough additional loops to do > a complete other braid in the other direction. I did a nice long braid in > one direction (took me an evening) and set the project down. That was more > than a year ago. I don't think I can even remember what braiding pattern I > was using, so I'll probably have to start all over. And this was with nice > fine silk thread, so it was a really delicate but strong lace. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ================================================= Margaret Gowen & Co. Ltd. Archaeological Consultants & Project Managers 27 Merrion Square Dublin 2 Tel: 01 7997200 Fax 01 7997201 e-mail: archaeology@mglarc.com website: http://www.mglarc.com ================================================= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is private and confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not named above as an addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this email. 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NOTE Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company or its associated companies unless therwise specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 10:12:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OFCDri024011 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:12:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OFB9LV013869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OFB3ua023522; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OFAu5x023432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:10:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2OF54mT002889 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:04 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4242D87C.4090007@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:10:52 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BC7@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BC7@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO There's also: http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/fingerloop.html Which has several examples and more references. I made one once, under instruction, which was from a 15th c. pattern -- it looked like lace. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 10:38:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OFcjVv024169 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:38:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OFauLV016135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OFamRW044569; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:36:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OFagOv044349 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:36:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m39.in-tch.com [216.166.191.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2OFWio28190 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:32:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4242DFC6.4030102@in-tch.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:41:58 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] References: <193.3c36413c.2f741157@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <193.3c36413c.2f741157@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I think the same thing about some of the more outre textiles in late 16th c. clothing--what comes to mind right off the bat this morning is that one gown of Elizabeth I's that had the ears and eyes on it..... --sue, now stuck with a textile version of "Green Eggs and Ham" running through her head..... AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/24/2005 7:16:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cvirtue+dated+1127217915.18c010@thibault.org writes: > > I've seen examples of a few of these, and pretty much universally could > be described as "designed by Dr. Seuss." > > > Glad someone else has made that association. That's what I have always > thought about the bizarre silks, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 10:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OFsqAH024258 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:54:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OFqdLV018408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:52:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OFqUJe059999; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OFqQvJ059912 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from unknown (HELO the-new-beast.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.62.86 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 15:52:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050324094001.03fa1090@mail.justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:45:18 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: References: <75.41b38b66.2f738ef2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] placing of Eyelets (was Lacing Eylets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a similar question. Some Italian laces have staggered holes, and then many other countries have the holes lined up. How do I choose, and if I choose the staggered ones, is there some sort of ratio that makes the top fabric edges line up? Last time I tried, they were always between half and one inch off. I know that some of it is the method of lacing, (eg. wrap vs. criss-cross). But I'd like to do the single wrap up the edge. Thanks, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 11:46:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OGkMhv024559 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OGhiLV026996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OGheHR010952; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OGhbwR010880 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DEVQn-0004Ag-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4242EE4B.9020100@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:55 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets-contrasting colors References: <20050320170539.B8AE5726C@sitemail.everyone.net> <423DB447.2000602@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <423DB447.2000602@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I didn't think I would have anything to add to this extensive discussion, but I do! If you are doing Flemish, especially Breughel, you can use contrasting colors-they did. Look carefully at several of the women in the Dance pictures and you will see. The men are more obvious, but if you look around you will see them. Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 11:46:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OGkeOn024570 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:46:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OGeoNX026402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OGSvpg096261; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web51406.mail.yahoo.com (web51406.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OGSrkQ096103 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ivycircle@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90827 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2005 16:28:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 12:28:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OHS0dh024791 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OHQ4LV001879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHPvHh049303; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHPpEx049070 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:25:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25673 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:39:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:39:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] placing of Eyelets (was Lacing Eylets In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050324094001.03fa1090@mail.justinanimator.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Genie Barrett wrote: > Some Italian laces have staggered holes, and then many other countries > have the holes lined up. > > How do I choose... I've seen both straight and staggered on English/French/Flemish 14th-15th c., so I don't think it's a national issue. Do what you like ;-) > and if I choose the staggered ones, is there some sort of ratio that > makes the top fabric edges line up? > > Last time I tried, they were always between half and one inch off. I > know that some of it is the method of lacing, (eg. wrap vs. > criss-cross). But I'd like to do the single wrap up the edge. Not sure about ratio, but I always mark my eyelets before sewing them. I start marking from the top, making the top level on each side at the same distance -- say, half an inch down from the top edge. Then on one side, I go down in even increments; on the other side, I go down half an increment for the first eyelet below the top one, then full increments for the rest. The result is as I drew earlier: o o o o o o o o o o o o Those even eyelets at the top seem to be enough to square everything off. I've seen that arrangement on at least one sculpture. Interestingly, I've also seen some paintings that show spiral lacing on parallel (not offset) eyelets, and the bodice edges meet unevenly. I suppose for an underdress this doesn't matter, but I think I'd personally feel a little skewed wearing it ;-) Flemish paintings show some interesting variations that seem to represent a rather casual practice: Evenly placed eyelets, but the lace going offset, skipping every other hole each side; or lacing that skips an occasional hole, so that the spiral goes slanted in one direction for part of the stretch, then slanted in the other direction. Oh, on marking technique: Realistically, I know they probably didn't measure. I've stopped using numeric measurements for almost every part of my fitted dress construction, and I think I'm at about the point where I don't need to measure eyelets either. I imagine the medieval seamstress spaced eyelets with her finger or thumb, all the way down the row. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 12:40:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OHeRsq024931 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OHcBLV003233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHc2OA060472; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHbtka060254 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.205.233]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050324173750.IGPU1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c53097$cc2fb240$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <193.3c36413c.2f741157@aol.com> <4242DFC6.4030102@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:34:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On a similar subject: Just yesterday I was watching the Discovery channel (Canada), and there was an article about a new form of printing silk for Kimonos which is significantly faster than the traditional methods. All it is is an oversized ink-jet printer, they have a young lady sit down at a computer and design whatever the customer wants for a pattern. While I was watching they designed an Obi sash that had a piano keyboard with musical notes. They also showed a sash with playing cards. Rather unusual designs for traditional garments! I'm sure they could (if they havent already) do an actual Dr Seuss print... Sheridan http://www.detnews.com/2004/technology/0409/23/technology-281968.htm The kimono article is at the bottom of the page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Mantuas and Patterns Re: [h-cost] > I think the same thing about some of the more outre textiles in late > 16th c. clothing--what comes to mind right off the bat this morning is > that one gown of Elizabeth I's that had the ears and eyes on it..... > --sue, now stuck with a textile version of "Green Eggs and Ham" running > through her head..... > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/24/2005 7:16:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > cvirtue+dated+1127217915.18c010@thibault.org writes: > > > > I've seen examples of a few of these, and pretty much universally could > > be described as "designed by Dr. Seuss." > > > > > > Glad someone else has made that association. That's what I have always > > thought about the bizarre silks, too. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 13:10:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OIA1Ll025135 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:10:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OI7TLV006009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OI7Qfw087043; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OI7M9s086901 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.79]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050324180717.VFEC1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:07:17 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c5309b$ea20a800$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:04:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Digital Kimono -Was Mantuas and patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Here is a more detailed article, with a photo of the piano print obi: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20040914f1.htm Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 13:11:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OIBMVd025144 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OI9iLV006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OI9HvV088758; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OI8r7p088411 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26001 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:22:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:22:47 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Publication update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just got word this morning from Boydell & Brewer that the printed copies of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, vol. 1, have arrived at the warehouse. I haven't seen it yet, but I will soon. This is a big event for me, and I want to thank this list's members for all the interest, feedback, and encouragement you've given me (and, by extension, my co-editor Gale Owen-Crocker) during the process of getting this journal off the ground. It has meant more than you can imagine, not only in concrete orders (we've had more than 300 pre-orders, and much of that directly comes from people passing along one posting I made to this list!) but also in helping us guide our decisions so that we can produce a book that is both academically sound and useful to a broader audience of costume researchers. BTW, a correspondent informs me that Barnes and Noble has a bargain price on the book right now (better than Amazon, and better than the list price on the Boydell & Brewer website). Also, attendees at the Medieval Congresses can buy copies at conference discount (usually 20%). I'll be interested in hearing when people start getting delivery of the book (my own copy will come straight from the publisher, so I don't know how long it takes for order fulfillment). Meanwhile, we're deep in the throes of editing Volume 2, which will include a paper on Elizabethan jackets by this list's own Danielle Nunn-Weinberg; another on Renaissance fabric cleaning recipes by former listmember Drea Leed; and others on such topics as "flea furs," medieval cloth trade, early Irish regalia, and more. Thank you all for everything. --Robin =============================================================== Robin Netherton // robin@nightowl.net Editor, Medieval Clothing & Textiles "No student knows his subject. The most he knows is where and how to find out the things he does not know." -- Woodrow Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 13:25:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OIPVt2025351 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OIN6LV007520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OIN12A001516; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OIMtQ7001356 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46570 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2005 18:22:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lCtvZMSW5ppwtYz0LnUybtfnhyxMrYq5BFV0BP7d1TnXKibQeJTfiIXnWLU9cD6nlNTQ26G9rGJIA28WkxvuDr14eVAoLZl4X5W3ZyfHbP8vRl2gy/zcUyqlaHEzsP4HZuF+U4f5R10TIfPG8LSC3ZPpoHcSenOWKF8rsx+nW74= ; Message-ID: <20050324182249.46568.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.91.19.73] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:22:49 PST Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Publication update To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I, for one, can't wait :) I'd preordered my copy at B&N and yes, it IS cheaper. Came to $31. Congratulations!!! Best of Regards, Chris G. Robin Netherton wrote: I just got word this morning from Boydell & Brewer that the printed copies of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, vol. 1, have arrived at the warehouse. I haven't seen it yet, but I will soon. This is a big event for me, and I want to thank this list's members for all the interest, feedback, and encouragement you've given me (and, by extension, my co-editor Gale Owen-Crocker) during the process of getting this journal off the ground. It has meant more than you can imagine, not only in concrete orders (we've had more than 300 pre-orders, and much of that directly comes from people passing along one posting I made to this list!) but also in helping us guide our decisions so that we can produce a book that is both academically sound and useful to a broader audience of costume researchers. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 14:14:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OJEpkk025696 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:14:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OJAqM7012280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:12:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OJ7UW5042225; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2OJ7P8J042163 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from unknown (HELO the-new-beast.sbcglobal.net) (justin.barrett@sbcglobal.net@69.149.44.69 with login) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 19:07:25 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050324130256.04032d60@mail.justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:03:27 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] placing of Eyelets (was Lacing Eylets In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050324094001.03fa1090@mail.justinanimator.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin Netherton stepped close to the microphone and whispered: >Not sure about ratio, but I always mark my eyelets before sewing them. I >start marking from the top, making the top level on each side at the same >distance -- say, half an inch down from the top edge. Then on one side, I >go down in even increments; on the other side, I go down half an increment >for the first eyelet below the top one, then full increments for the rest. >The result is as I drew earlier: > >o o >o > o >o > o >o > o >o > o >o > o > >Those even eyelets at the top seem to be enough to square everything off. >I've seen that arrangement on at least one sculpture. Interestingly, I've >also seen some paintings that show spiral lacing on parallel (not offset) >eyelets, and the bodice edges meet unevenly. I suppose for an underdress >this doesn't matter, but I think I'd personally feel a little skewed >wearing it ;-) cool, thanks so much Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 15:24:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OKOkXb026442 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OKM1LV019258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OKLmgO010874; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OKLg5Y010708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:21:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OLZmKB009687 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:35:52 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Publication update Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:21:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200503241521.31737.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thursday 24 March 2005 1:22 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > I just got word this morning from Boydell & Brewer that the printed copies > of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, vol. 1, have arrived at the warehouse. I > haven't seen it yet, but I will soon. [snip] > This is a big event for me, and I want to thank this list's members for > all the interest, feedback, and encouragement you've given me (and, by > extension, my co-editor Gale Owen-Crocker) during the process of getting > this journal off the ground. You're welcome. For those of us interested in costume of the medieval period, we have good reason to want this project to succeed. :-) > I'll be interested in hearing when people start getting delivery of the > book (my own copy will come straight from the publisher, so I don't know > how long it takes for order fulfillment). I will let you know when I get my copy. -- Cathy Raymond "Some never live, but the crazy never die."--Hunter S. Thompson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 16:18:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2OLIdZ5027602 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2OLHNLV029036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OLHE1m062352; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OLHC87062301 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.118] (pm7-118.eos.net [205.133.149.118]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2OLH8Dl004776 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:17:08 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:11:13 -0500 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200503241831.j2OIVCOC009053@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Scanned by EOS.Net Mailserver on 205.133.149.17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: digital kimonos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO How about those argyle obis? Pretty mod! And speaking of mod, there's the mondrian-style squares with cat silhouettes. Hmm. I'd love to design one of these myself! I wonder what kind of ink jet printer they use? You'd think the manufacturer would love the publicity. > http://www.okinu.co.jp/shopping/yn/yn_list.html Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 20:02:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P12at2030377 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:02:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P11PLV002339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P11Eab057421; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P117De057264 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDV00G3VUU4TY@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:01:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:01:15 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <424362DB.8040601@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Robin-I like that idea. It had nont occured to me *not* to knot it. I will have to keep that in mind. Elena-Your descriptions sounds nice. I will try that if i don't have luck with robin's method. Robin Netherton wrote: >Interestingly, I've never needed to tie off. I snug up the lacing >completely (this usually means waiting about five minutes after I've fully >laced, and retightening, because the dress relaxes -- I do my hair or >something in the meantime) and then pass the thread through the top two >holes a couple more times. I then roll the rest of the lace around my >fingers into a bundle and stuff it down my cleavage, and slip the needle >into the lining in such a way that it doesn't poke. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 20:06:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P1627w030439 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P153LV002703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P152Kj060178; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P1506w060076 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDV00ANOV09SP@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:04:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:05:09 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets-contrasting colors In-reply-to: <4242EE4B.9020100@earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <424363C5.90303@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <20050320170539.B8AE5726C@sitemail.everyone.net> <423DB447.2000602@optonline.net> <4242EE4B.9020100@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO COOL!! I am doing my second flemish outfit (mostly after drea's book) but that is exactly what i *wanted* to hear. Neato. I will look closer then this weekend. thanks Wicked Frau wrote: > > I didn't think I would have anything to add to this extensive > discussion, but I do! If you are doing Flemish, especially Breughel, > you can use contrasting colors-they did. Look carefully at several of > the women in the Dance pictures and you will see. The men are more > obvious, but if you look around you will see them. > > Sg > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 24 22:52:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P3qhAf031765 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:52:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P3pULV015044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P3pGPr073517; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:51:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P3pEJH073439 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603313FCF3 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1F92D3969; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:51:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Publication update X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.73] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCQ4quAAF1fgEAAAAB,92443c93f1a73116ba529b0caca95f49 Message-Id: <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I went straight to B & N and pre-ordered a copy. I am dying to get it. Any chance you would autograph it for me, Robin, Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Robin Netherton wrote: From: Robin Netherton Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:22:47 -0600 (CST) To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Publication update I just got word this morning from Boydell & Brewer that the printed copies of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, vol. 1, have arrived at the warehouse. I haven't seen it yet, but I will soon. This is a big event for me, and I want to thank this list's members for all the interest, feedback, and encouragement you've given me (and, by extension, my co-editor Gale Owen-Crocker) during the process of getting this journal off the ground. It has meant more than you can imagine, not only in concrete orders (we've had more than 300 pre-orders, and much of that directly comes from people passing along one posting I made to this list!) but also in helping us guide our decisions so that we can produce a book that is both academically sound and useful to a broader audience of costume researchers. BTW, a correspondent informs me that Barnes and Noble has a bargain price on the book right now (better than Amazon, and better than the list price on the Boydell & Brewer website). Also, attendees at the Medieval Congresses can buy copies at conference discount (usually 20%). I'll be interested in hearing when people start getting delivery of the book (my own copy will come straight from the publisher, so I don't know how long it takes for order fulfillment). Meanwhile, we're deep in the throes of editing Volume 2, which will include a paper on Elizabethan jackets by this list's own Danielle Nunn-Weinberg; another on Renaissance fabric cleaning recipes by former listmember Drea Leed; and others on such topics as "flea furs," medieval cloth trade, early Irish regalia, and more. Thank you all for everything. --Robin =============================================================== Robin Netherton // robin@nightowl.net Editor, Medieval Clothing & Textiles "No student knows his subject. The most he knows is where and how to find out the things he does not know." -- Woodrow Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 00:18:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P5IXBp032247 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P5HJLV020870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P5H5T1029129; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P5H2Lf029103 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-38lc23j.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.8.115] helo=[209.86.8.158]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DEhBt-0007Js-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:17:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:16:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Publication update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I just _have_ to share this! I also went to Barnes & Noble and pre-ordered a copy (which I'd been meaning to do anyway, so don't scold, Robin! :) and they had a list on the book's site that amused me. Here it is: >People who bought this book also bought: > >The Sea Hunters II (Clive Cussler, Craig Dirgo) >Chariots of the Gods (Erich Von Daniken) >The Earth Chronicles Expeditions: Journeys to the Mythical Past >(Zecharia Sitchin) >Ancient Rome: History of a Civilization That Ruled the World (Anna >Maria Liberati, Fabio Bourbon) >Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization (Graham Hancock) For those who don't recognize these authors offhand, Erich von Daniken and Graham Hancock are both notorious proponents of, ummmmmmmm, shall we say "alternative" theories of history (less polite people would call them "cranks" or possibly "wackos" :). From the title of the "Earth Chronicles" book, I wonder about that author, too. Clive Cussler appears to be a fiction author. The first sentence from the jacket description of his most recent book starts out, "Eric the Red's A.D. 1000 discovery of a radioactive meteorite..." However, the Sea Hunters book appears to be a non-fiction book about shipwrecks. Anna Maria Liberati, appears to be a genuine scholar with good credentials. One out of five..... I am left contemplating: just what it might be about _Medieval Textiles & Clothing_ that would attract people who are interested in "Chariots of the Gods"???!?!?! Any ideas, Robin? BTW, Amazon's list is much more "normal": >Customers who bought this book also bought > >Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, Revised and Enlarged Edition by Gale >R. Owen-Crocker >Viking Age Headcoverings From Dublin by Elizabeth Wincott Heckett >The Medieval Household : Daily Living c.1150-c.1450 (Medieval Finds >from Excavations in London) by Geoff Egan >Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Ostergard >Dress Accessories, c.1150-c.1450 (Medieval Finds from Excavations in >London) by Geoff Egan ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 00:57:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P5vJ7K032472 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:57:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P5uPLV023317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P5uLJW052640; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:56:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P5uJEC052578 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30983 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:10:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:10:12 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Publication update In-Reply-To: <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Lalah wrote: > I went straight to B & N and pre-ordered a copy. I am dying to get > it. Any chance you would autograph it for me, Robin, Wow! Does that make me a celebrity? Really, I only wrote *one* of the papers... OK, and a book review. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 01:02:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P62qVk032530 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P61sLV023950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:01:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P61p3m056029; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P61l3e055980 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31060 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:15:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:15:44 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Publication update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Chris Laning wrote: > Ok, I just _have_ to share this! > > I also went to Barnes & Noble and pre-ordered a copy (which I'd been > meaning to do anyway, so don't scold, Robin! :) and they had a list > on the book's site that amused me. Here it is: > I am left contemplating: just what it might be about _Medieval > Textiles & Clothing_ that would attract people who are interested in > "Chariots of the Gods"???!?!?! Any ideas, Robin? I saw it too and snickered. I think it is random, till the system processes enough orders. At least I hope it is random. If not, that's frightening. The list of also-ordered on Amazon makes a lot more sense, of course. Good company to be in there! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 01:03:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2P6394X032534 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:03:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2P622LV023970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P621kv056129; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:02:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2P61xEF056051 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF123FE48 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id BEF803960; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lalah To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Publication update X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.7] X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRCQ6lRAAto0wEAAAAB,c7c6fa07de743b75bca938f89207dba8 Message-Id: <20050325060153.BEF803960@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO OK, I confess, I have Chariots of the Gods and several of Clive Cussler's books. Cussler does write mystery fiction and it is actually pretty good. Von Daniken starts out with some pretty convincing stuff, but then he reaches way out there and by the time you are half through one of his books (yep, more than one) you realize that he is either nuts or thinks the reader is. Can't tell you about the others though as I haven't read them. Let's just say some of us have very wide fields of interest. :o) Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Chris Laning wrote: From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:16:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Publication update Ok, I just _have_ to share this! I also went to Barnes & Noble and pre-ordered a copy (which I'd been meaning to do anyway, so don't scold, Robin! :) and they had a list on the book's site that amused me. Here it is: >People who bought this book also bought: > >The Sea Hunters II (Clive Cussler, Craig Dirgo) >Chariots of the Gods (Erich Von Daniken) >The Earth Chronicles Expeditions: Journeys to the Mythical Past >(Zecharia Sitchin) >Ancient Rome: History of a Civilization That Ruled the World (Anna >Maria Liberati, Fabio Bourbon) >Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization (Graham Hancock) For those who don't recognize these authors offhand, Erich von Daniken and Graham Hancock are both notorious proponents of, ummmmmmmm, shall we say "alternative" theories of history (less polite people would call them "cranks" or possibly "wackos" :). From the title of the "Earth Chronicles" book, I wonder about that author, too. Clive Cussler appears to be a fiction author. The first sentence from the jacket description of his most recent book starts out, "Eric the Red's A.D. 1000 discovery of a radioactive meteorite..." However, the Sea Hunters book appears to be a non-fiction book about shipwrecks. Anna Maria Liberati, appears to be a genuine scholar with good credentials. One out of five..... I am left contemplating: just what it might be about _Medieval Textiles & Clothing_ that would attract people who are interested in "Chariots of the Gods"???!?!?! Any ideas, Robin? BTW, Amazon's list is much more "normal": >Customers who bought this book also bought > >Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, Revised and Enlarged Edition by Gale >R. Owen-Crocker >Viking Age Headcoverings From Dublin by Elizabeth Wincott Heckett >The Medieval Household : Daily Living c.1150-c.1450 (Medieval Finds >from Excavations in London) by Geoff Egan >Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Ostergard >Dress Accessories, c.1150-c.1450 (Medieval Finds from Excavations in >London) by Geoff Egan ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 08:24:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2PDOHtA003292 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:24:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PDN8LV026321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PDMl2Q013055; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:22:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PDMiUN013024 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:22:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ms154@cornell.edu) Received: from Bellview.cornell.edu ([128.253.111.234]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2PDMcIu008703 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:22:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050325082110.01f12470@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: ms154@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:22:37 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: M Stewart In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] AMAZON... OUCH X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I just did a little comparison shopping - AMAZON wanted nearly 20 dollars more than B&N. OUCH. Needless to say I ordered from B&N. Mari Mari Stewart Webmaster College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 08:44:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2PDiakE003525 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:44:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PDhZLV027675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PDhUHK026129; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PDhP2D026026 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050325134319.WUDO2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:43:19 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.152.202.221]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050325134318.CYMD4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:43:18 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.8.1]); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:43:21 +1200 Message-ID: <001801c53140$9c49d700$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6667> <5.1.0.14.2.20050324074222.014c0008@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:43:19 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mantuas and Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Thanks Michaela for the great images. Well I have admittedly refound a passion;) I mentioned on the list a few years ago that Nicole's Mantua (by Ninya on the list) made me look with fresh eyes at these gowns c1700. I know as I found my emails while hunting for mentions of mantua;) Very embarassing finding old emails.. Anyway the wool Met gown has been a favourite for years while I've pretty well loathed all the prints of the style I've seen. Now I have been looking past the fashion ideal and tried to work out what they would look like made up. So I've been hunting for online extant garments and thought I might share;) > The Clive House mantua is patterned in Patterns of Fashion. Heheh, I just spotted that last night;) Very different pattern to the wool Met one. I wonder if they've patterned the salmon one... There are just two patterns I wish to have, but they are both in books that are going to cost an arm and a leg and a risky online transaction to get hold of: Halls, Zillah. Women's costumes 1600-1750, Published: London, H.M.S.O., 1969 Out of print, my library copy has the fold out patterns missing. Apparently there are two patterns, one sheet? Two sheets? Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" The Valdemar Slot gown which looks to have a more flared petticoat than the others. Risky because only sellers I don't know have copies and/or I'm dealing in a language I can only take a wild stab in the dark with;) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 09:43:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2PEhfbr004138 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:43:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PEgWLV002158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PEgPCp064945; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:42:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PEg7Y1064752 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:42:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-72-212.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.72.212]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PEg54I020005 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:42:06 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050325063336.0262e040@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:40:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Publication update In-Reply-To: References: <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> <20050325035110.1F92D3969@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>The Sea Hunters II (Clive Cussler, Craig Dirgo) >>Clive Cussler appears to be a fiction author. The first sentence from the >>jacket description of his most recent book starts out, "Eric the Red's >>A.D. 1000 discovery of a radioactive meteorite..." However, the Sea >>Hunters book appears to be a non-fiction book about shipwrecks. The Sea Hunters I was, IIRC, a book about finding buried wrecked ships, and I think there was even a piece about a buried steam engine from a train wreck when a bridge washed out. The author has an ego to be reckoned with, but probably did find the buried ships/steam engine he claims he did. I don't remember any costume content except with reference to diving gear, unless they found buttons. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 25 14:49:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2PJnCvQ006737 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2PJlgLV006870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PJlQrg024198; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:47:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay17-f4.bay17.hotmail.com [64.4.43.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PJlLM0024062 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:47:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 129.244.6.213 by by17fd.bay17.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:47:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.213] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200503251900.j2PJ08dh083831@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:47:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2005 19:47:16.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[72A9FC30:01C53173] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: suede X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >From: lisa > When was suede first used--for shoes, gloves, anything? My >dictionary says the term is from 1855-ish and comes from gants de Suede >-->gloves from Sweden. If suede leather was used before then, what was it >called? Split leather? > Or if not produced specifically as suede, at what time period >did leather with the flesh side as the "fashion side" start to be used? Ok, Suede, -real- suede is not a split. In fact in real suede, it's not even the flesh side of the leather - it's the grain side that's been roughed and buffed up to give it that fuzzy texture without using weak leather. It goes back at least to around 1600. The use of flesh-out for shoes goes back to about the same time, mostly I think because it's easier to do some of leather sewing on the flesh side, and putting the flesh side to the leather, with the ridge of the round closing presed to the wood risks marking up your leather. Keep it to the outside, and you can do other cool things with it. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 06:52:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QBqCmx010953 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:52:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QBouLV000507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:50:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QBogui044538; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:50:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QBoejr044473 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.bd.54659f15 (14374) for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:50:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO To the esteemed list: I am addressing this forum with the following question: For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not object to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil War, for example). So please share your opinions with me. Thanks very much. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 08:31:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QDVjo3011330 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QDUiLV011504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QDUYSS000309; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QDUU9d000242 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from Fiona ([162.84.114.221]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IDY00CW7O6PLZW3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:30:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:25 -0500 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-reply-to: To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, The only people I have seen who object to the term are professionals, who also object being called "docents" as well. Both of these terms are used by practioners for volunteers. Docents generally giving tours at historic sites and re-enactors being engaged in a very large diversity of activities, but most noticeably battle re-enactments. I don't object to any of these terms. One because I am not only a historical interpreter, but a re-enactor as well. It was re-enacting that caused me to enter the profession. Docent I don't object to because the people using it generally do not know the way it is used in the field and therefore do not mean it as an insult (it is often taken as one by interpreters). Besides, being paid does NOT necessarily make one better than that volunteers their time. Ron Carnegie > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:50 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT > > > To the esteemed list: > > I am addressing this forum with the following question: > > For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you > not object > to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take > exception to the > term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American > Civil War, for > example). So please share your opinions with me. > > Thanks very much. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 09:11:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QEBvNo011486 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:11:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QEAwLV013849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:10:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QEAone023847; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QEAma9023824 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DFC00-0001ak-00; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:10:48 -0800 Message-ID: <42456D7F.4090903@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:11:11 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GermanRenCostume-owner@yahoogroups.com, "h-costume@indra.com" , TheRenaissanceTailor , thefrazzledfrau@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] JPEG properties-OT but would be of interest to most X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Have I been missing something all along or did the file properties of jpeg files just change recently such that you can add all the picture information? Sheesh! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 15:56:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QKul5d013994 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:56:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QKtfLV010344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:55:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QKtSf6069680; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QKt6K0069515 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DFIJ7-0008hy-6v for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:54:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:53:11 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This question recently came up on a UK discussion site - unfortunately it doesn't seem to have archives so I can't point you to the discussion. The question there was whether what we do is re-enactment, living history, recreation, interpretation...? The general impression I got is that the only people who are bothered about what they are called are those who want to imply that they are better than other people. (eg, "we're historical interpreters, not re-enactors") The problem is, nobody can really agree on what the terms mean or which is best. The public and people who want to employ us have different conceptions of the different terms and of which they want to see, so it's best just to set out your approach and not use terms which may mean something different to the person you are talking to. And that's before we even try any transatlantic comparisons! For the record, I call myself a re-enactor. Jean AnnBWass@aol.com wrote >To the esteemed list: > >I am addressing this forum with the following question: > >For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not object >to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the >term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil War, for >example). So please share your opinions with me. > >Thanks very much. > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 16:21:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QLLraU014090 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QLKcLV012281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QLKWUJ086304; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:20:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QLKTPK086259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2QLEZmT029708 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:14:35 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:14:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4245D21B.7090309@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:20:27 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > The general impression I got is > that the only people who are bothered about what they are called are > those who want to imply that they are better than other people. I try to be fairly precise, because the group I do things with is overall less-accuracy-minded than groups I would call "re-enactors" or "living history." So I don't want anyone to get confused. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 17:47:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QMlcAs014662 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QMjvLV017490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QMjnRl036879; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QMjfW2036749 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDZ0028CDVYBK@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:45:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:45:54 -0500 From: J Schueller In-reply-to: <4245D21B.7090309@thibault.org> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4245E622.4010600@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <4245D21B.7090309@thibault.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello all! I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and just plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a picture into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I then have to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of what to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? Thanks for your time, Jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 18:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2QN2JSr014737 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:02:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QN1BLV018421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QN18J8046389; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:01:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QN16uK046378 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d23.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DFKHC-0007cA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: <4245E9CA.3080100@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:01:30 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT References: <4245D21B.7090309@thibault.org> <4245E622.4010600@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4245E622.4010600@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hmmm, this is an interesting question. I don't think Excel or Word inserts thumbnails like building a web page. Even when you build a chart in Excel it is not inserted in a cell per se. So I don't think you will ever be succesful in keeping it where you want it. I assume you want to make a searchable database so you can search on qualities of the picture. Unless someone else has any better ideas, you are probably stuck with putting a hyperlink to the picture in the spread sheet. It sure would be nice to have this hyperlink look like a thumbnail. I would love to hear anyone elses ideas on this. This is one of the reasons I was so happy to find out about the jpeg properties I mentioned earlier. Sg J Schueller wrote: > Hello all! > > I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a > spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in > chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and > just plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a > picture into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I > then have to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good > idea of what to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my > description? > > Thanks for your time, Jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 19:55:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R0tphw015217 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:55:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R0shLV026819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R0sU8V012638; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2R0sRe9012556 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050327005422.50093.qmail@web81403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.152.226.134] by web81403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:54:22 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:54:22 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO What version of word are you using? When I read your message I thought that I had done this before in Word 98, inserting an image into a cell of a word table. Just to be sure I wasn't wrong, I just tried it again (in word 97), and it worked fine, including a second column that I put random numbers in so I could test a sort on it. It all worked fine for me. All I do is position the cursor in the cell I want to place the image, go to insert picture, select the item and that's it. alex --- J Schueller wrote: > Hello all! > > I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a > > spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in > chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and > just > plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a picture > into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I then > have > to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of > what > to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? > > Thanks for your time, Jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 20:48:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R1m4rY015416 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:48:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R1kwLV000626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:46:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R1kslX044962; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R1koWI044931 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from [192.168.167.39] (helo=wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DFMrZ-0006jt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:46:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm an inveterate Mac user who doesn't upgrade programs very often, so I might be recommending a program that doesn't work on your computer or that can't be had anymore, but... All my databases are FileMaker documents. Any kind of data, including pictures, can be inserted in records, and you can create endless layout variations to present some or all of the data in each record, AND you can sort by alphabet, numerical record order, or chronological order, AND you can create calculation fields as well (so it can be used for some traditional spreadsheet functions). Claris used to make FileMaker. I think I heard a rumor that the program or company has been absorbed by somebody....anyway, it is/was a great program and would do just about anything you wanted in terms of a database. I also use Tables in Word for various purposes (and love that feature!), but not for elaborate databases. I guess the choice would depend on what kinds of records Jordana wanted to handle. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer From: Alex Doyle Sent: Mar 26, 2005 7:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT What version of word are you using? When I read your message I thought that I had done this before in Word 98, inserting an image into a cell of a word table. Just to be sure I wasn't wrong, I just tried it again (in word 97), and it worked fine, including a second column that I put random numbers in so I could test a sort on it. It all worked fine for me. All I do is position the cursor in the cell I want to place the image, go to insert picture, select the item and that's it. alex --- J Schueller wrote: > Hello all! > > I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a > > spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in > chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and > just > plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a picture > into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I then > have > to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of > what > to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? > > Thanks for your time, Jordana > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 21:33:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R2X04d015579 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:33:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R2VxLV003753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R2Vp8u071299; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R2VoIl071224 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:31:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDZ003V7OCMC1@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:31:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:02 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT In-reply-to: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ok, I have to beg an apology for wasting everyone's time. I just went back to word and it *now* does what i want (and alex describes). I am going to claim that little goblins snuck into my computer and fixed the flaw that made it not work for me before. really. p.s. though the program filemaker sounds GOOD and cool. jordana ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >I'm an inveterate Mac user who doesn't upgrade programs very often, so I might be recommending a program that doesn't work on your computer or that can't be had anymore, but... >All my databases are FileMaker documents. Any kind of data, including pictures, can be inserted in records, and you can create endless layout variations to present some or all of the data in each record, AND you can sort by alphabet, numerical record order, or chronological order, AND you can create calculation fields as well (so it can be used for some traditional spreadsheet functions). Claris used to make FileMaker. I think I heard a rumor that the program or company has been absorbed by somebody....anyway, it is/was a great program and would do just about anything you wanted in terms of a database. > >I also use Tables in Word for various purposes (and love that feature!), but not for elaborate databases. I guess the choice would depend on what kinds of records Jordana wanted to handle. > >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >gypsy scholar and amateur costumer > > >From: Alex Doyle >Sent: Mar 26, 2005 7:54 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT > >What version of word are you using? When I read your message I thought >that I had done this before in Word 98, inserting an image into a cell >of a word table. Just to be sure I wasn't wrong, I just tried it again >(in word 97), and it worked fine, including a second column that I put >random numbers in so I could test a sort on it. It all worked fine for >me. > >All I do is position the cursor in the cell I want to place the image, >go to insert picture, select the item and that's it. > >alex >--- J Schueller wrote: > > >>Hello all! >> >>I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a >> >>spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in >>chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and >>just >>plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a picture >>into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I then >>have >>to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of >>what >>to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? >> >>Thanks for your time, Jordana >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 22:02:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R32DOx015661 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R31FLV006067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R31Cgg088153; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R318mn088111 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DFO1U-0000MH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:01:08 -0800 Message-ID: <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:33 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT References: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Wow, I didn't know Filemaker was still around! I had used it years ago.....or maybe I am confusing that with FoxPro....Filemaker I used only 3 or 4 years ago. Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want to use a non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my SQL beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I really would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in the properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again so that the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can be associated with other descriptive information in the database...... Oh why, Oh why did I become a mechanical engineer, when computers are SOOOO much coooler! Sg J Schueller wrote: > Ok, I have to beg an apology for wasting everyone's time. I just went > back to word and it *now* does what i want (and alex describes). I am > going to claim that little goblins snuck into my computer and fixed > the flaw that made it not work for me before. > really. > p.s. though the program filemaker sounds GOOD and cool. > jordana > > > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > >> I'm an inveterate Mac user who doesn't upgrade programs very often, >> so I might be recommending a program that doesn't work on your >> computer or that can't be had anymore, but... >> All my databases are FileMaker documents. Any kind of data, including >> pictures, can be inserted in records, and you can create endless >> layout variations to present some or all of the data in each record, >> AND you can sort by alphabet, numerical record order, or >> chronological order, AND you can create calculation fields as well >> (so it can be used for some traditional spreadsheet functions). >> Claris used to make FileMaker. I think I heard a rumor that the >> program or company has been absorbed by somebody....anyway, it is/was >> a great program and would do just about anything you wanted in terms >> of a database. >> >> I also use Tables in Word for various purposes (and love that >> feature!), but not for elaborate databases. I guess the choice would >> depend on what kinds of records Jordana wanted to handle. >> >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> gypsy scholar and amateur costumer >> >> >> From: Alex Doyle >> Sent: Mar 26, 2005 7:54 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT >> >> What version of word are you using? When I read your message I thought >> that I had done this before in Word 98, inserting an image into a cell >> of a word table. Just to be sure I wasn't wrong, I just tried it again >> (in word 97), and it worked fine, including a second column that I put >> random numbers in so I could test a sort on it. It all worked fine for >> me. >> >> All I do is position the cursor in the cell I want to place the image, >> go to insert picture, select the item and that's it. >> >> alex >> --- J Schueller wrote: >> >> >>> Hello all! >>> >>> I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a >>> >>> spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in >>> chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and >>> just plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a >>> picture into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, >>> I then >>> have to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of >>> what to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? >>> >>> Thanks for your time, Jordana >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 26 22:08:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R387ms015682 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:08:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R377LV006372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R374xV091664; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R36wKu091607 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DFO77-0001jT-00; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4246236A.3060206@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:07:22 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wicked Frau Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT References: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I guess I spoke too soon....ACCESS does do it (supposedly http://www.ehow.com/how_12373_insert-picture-graph.html)...I haven't tried it, but I sure will now. I have been putting this off for years because I can't stand WORD and couldn't figure out a way to do it with EXCEL. Though now that I know both WORD and ACCESS can do it, I bet EXCEL can too. Sg Wicked Frau wrote: > Wow, I didn't know Filemaker was still around! I had used it years > ago.....or maybe I am confusing that with FoxPro....Filemaker I used > only 3 or 4 years ago. > Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want to > use a non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my > SQL beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area > topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I > really would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in > the properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again > so that the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can > be associated with other descriptive information in the database...... > > Oh why, Oh why did I become a mechanical engineer, when computers are > SOOOO much coooler! > > Sg > > J Schueller wrote: > >> Ok, I have to beg an apology for wasting everyone's time. I just >> went back to word and it *now* does what i want (and alex >> describes). I am going to claim that little goblins snuck into my >> computer and fixed the flaw that made it not work for me before. >> really. >> p.s. though the program filemaker sounds GOOD and cool. >> jordana >> >> >> ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >> >>> I'm an inveterate Mac user who doesn't upgrade programs very often, >>> so I might be recommending a program that doesn't work on your >>> computer or that can't be had anymore, but... >>> All my databases are FileMaker documents. Any kind of data, >>> including pictures, can be inserted in records, and you can create >>> endless layout variations to present some or all of the data in each >>> record, AND you can sort by alphabet, numerical record order, or >>> chronological order, AND you can create calculation fields as well >>> (so it can be used for some traditional spreadsheet functions). >>> Claris used to make FileMaker. I think I heard a rumor that the >>> program or company has been absorbed by somebody....anyway, it >>> is/was a great program and would do just about anything you wanted >>> in terms of a database. >>> >>> I also use Tables in Word for various purposes (and love that >>> feature!), but not for elaborate databases. I guess the choice would >>> depend on what kinds of records Jordana wanted to handle. >>> >>> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >>> gypsy scholar and amateur costumer >>> >>> >>> From: Alex Doyle >>> Sent: Mar 26, 2005 7:54 PM >>> To: Historical Costume >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT >>> >>> What version of word are you using? When I read your message I thought >>> that I had done this before in Word 98, inserting an image into a cell >>> of a word table. Just to be sure I wasn't wrong, I just tried it again >>> (in word 97), and it worked fine, including a second column that I put >>> random numbers in so I could test a sort on it. It all worked fine for >>> me. >>> >>> All I do is position the cursor in the cell I want to place the image, >>> go to insert picture, select the item and that's it. >>> >>> alex >>> --- J Schueller wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello all! >>>> >>>> I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a >>>> >>>> spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in >>>> chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and >>>> just plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a >>>> picture into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, >>>> I then >>>> have to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of >>>> what to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time, Jordana >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 01:16:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R6GbvO016525 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R6EqLV018915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:14:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R6Eb8E097276; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R6EZUM097253 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2R6EXY2012217 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:14:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050327001248.00b73770@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:14:10 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT In-Reply-To: <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> References: <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Filemaker is still around and is what is used to catalogue the slide library in the Art History Department at the University of St. Thomas. All 60,000 slides...I think it is a useful program. cheers, Danielle At 08:01 PM 3/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Wow, I didn't know Filemaker was still around! I had used it years >ago.....or maybe I am confusing that with FoxPro....Filemaker I used only >3 or 4 years ago. >Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want to use a >non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my SQL >beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area >topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I really >would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in the >properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again so that >the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can be >associated with other descriptive information in the database...... > >Oh why, Oh why did I become a mechanical engineer, when computers are >SOOOO much coooler! > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 01:22:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2R6MwIh016549 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:22:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2R6LoLV019217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R6Lj3x001409; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41906.mail.yahoo.com (web41906.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2R6LiIq001355 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97963 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2005 06:21:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:33:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFXJ1C031618 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:33:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFWFLV003373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFW0T2099570; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHRmrW050875 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ED137EB4 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:26:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4242F893.3010207@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:27:47 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1940's exhibit in Washington, DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO "The Center and the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City will present "Fashions of the 1940s from The Museum at FIT," in the Center's Terrace Gallery, March 18-April 15, 2005. Included in this stunning exhibition will be a selection of more than 30 fashions and accessories from some of the top designers of the decade..." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4558477 http://www.kennedy-center.org/calendar/index.cfm?fuseaction=showEvent&event=XFFAS Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFebxh031645 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:40:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFdhLV004006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFdfk0004497; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:39:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OHbhKX060197 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) Received: from [4.155.21.223] (helo=HELENPINTO) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DEWH8-0007BH-NO for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <012601c53098$2e8b23c0$df159b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c53081$a22ab730$54a810ac@Kate> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:37:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0be0eda089832be646fbd2f5b7e36c7b45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.21.223 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate wrote: > So how does one "fingerloop"? Are there instructions or pictures > somewhere? > Try Rhiannon's site: http://fingerloop.org/ -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:43:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFhEVF031658 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFgJLV004170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:42:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFgJAi006044; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:42:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts6.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OIV99t008907 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from sherry ([65.92.204.79]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20050324183103.IRLT1597.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sherry> for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:31:03 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c5309f$3a1c6580$0a02a8c0@nodomainset.bellcanada> From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:28:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Digital Kimono part three X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Okay I finally found the website for one of the companies talked about in the article. This is a page of available prints: http://www.okinu.co.jp/shopping/yn/yn_list.html I'm kinda digging the 'goth' prints, spiderweb kimono with skull obi anyone? :-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFl3LV031673 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFk7LV004601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFk4OS008665; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:46:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2OJDU32047473 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:13:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 93A163EE6 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:22 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1111691601709; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:21 -1000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:18 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? In-Reply-To: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BC7@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> Message-ID: References: <87A506E53AFF4C4CB2C565044BA209E7AF4BC7@oldntserver.stoneage.mglarc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > So how does one "fingerloop"? Are there instructions or pictures somewhere? http://fingerloop.org It's pretty much a webbed version of the SCA Compleat Anachronist #108 and has directions for several patterns. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:48:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFmdLE031686 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFlmLV004675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:47:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFlmx2009743; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from navgw.mccc.edu (navgw.mccc.edu [198.133.170.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2RFlk7j009618 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2005032710473703390 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:37 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id j2RFlZ0j026643 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006b01c532e4$52e181d0$4aa810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c53081$a22ab730$54a810ac@Kate> <012601c53098$2e8b23c0$df159b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? Thanks! Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thank you to all who answered my question. I think I will have to try this. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fingerlooping? > Kate wrote: >> So how does one "fingerloop"? Are there instructions or pictures >> somewhere? >> > > Try Rhiannon's site: http://fingerloop.org/ > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 10:55:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RFt890031735 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFsBLV005323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFs8ht014097; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:54:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (mailrelay.k12.hi.us [165.248.247.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2PIIAC6045987 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FA273F32 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:18:10 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1111774689530; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:18:09 -1000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:18:06 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] suede X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO When was suede first used--for shoes, gloves, anything? My dictionary says the term is from 1855-ish and comes from gants de Suede -->gloves from Sweden. If suede leather was used before then, what was it called? Split leather? Or if not produced specifically as suede, at what time period did leather with the flesh side as the "fashion side" start to be used? --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:00:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RG0BWl031765 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:00:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RFxJLV005923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RFxGek017610; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QFxO0K089115 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.161]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2QFxG4I021102 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:59:20 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050326075032.025cadc8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:54:54 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not object >to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the >term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil >War, for >example). So please share your opinions with me. I'm a first-person-interpretation docent in two centuries and, and a living history participant in two or three, but nobody ever called me a re-enactor before. I thought that was only the ACW soldiers who did battles, but I never heard any of them object to the term. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:06:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RG6YfY031793 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:06:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RG5YLV006203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RG5Vxw021355; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav9.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QLAXoQ079983 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:10:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:10:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by BAY106-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:10:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:10:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2005 21:10:28.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CB3FD30:01C53248] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I'm in the SCA, so I do what I consider medieval recreation, not medieval re-enactment. To me, re-enactment would be to reproduce historical events. We're not doing that at all. I can't say that I object to being called a reenactor, but I think it's not an accurate description of what I'm doing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT > To the esteemed list: > > I am addressing this forum with the following question: > > For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not > object > to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the > term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil War, > for > example). So please share your opinions with me. > > Thanks very much. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RGADFt031815 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:10:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RG8qLV006333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:08:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RG8pQ4023244; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2QNBQIF052414 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:11:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1a2.303a164e (657) for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.303a164e.2f774616@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:11:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/26/2005 6:02:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@earthlink.net writes: I would like to create a > spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in > chronological order. I think you need to build a database, not a spreadsheet. Not sure how well Access handles pictures, but I know there are other databases that do. You could then sort on the date field to get things in chronological order after adding new entries. I'm just a novice with databases, but I'm sure someone else on this list will be more expert. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:12:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RGCbH8031833 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:12:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RGBjLV006492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:11:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RGBgkr024987; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2R3vZQr021259 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.bd.546f34bb (2612) for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:57:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Ann, I don't take exception to being called a "reenactor." I use the term myself when I don't have the time to explain was a living historian is. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RGGUHd031861 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RGFXLV006713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RGFWbe027209; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.mc.surewest.net (smtp2.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2R53KeS058702 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-8054); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:03:20 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp2.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:03:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050326205636.00d94210@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:03:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For my activities at Sutter's Fort in Sacramento, I generally call myself a docent, i.e., a volunteer. While we often "reenact" when portraying historical individuals, we generally do not use the term reenactor; around here it seems to be more associated with those involved in American Civil War re-enactments. I would not object to being called a reenactor, but it's not the usual term used at the Fort. Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA At 06:50 AM 3/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >To the esteemed list: > >I am addressing this forum with the following question: > >For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not object >to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the >term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil >War, for >example). So please share your opinions with me. > >Thanks very much. > >Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:18:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RGIqRg031877 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RGI1LV006857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RGHwxk028513; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:17:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com (web41904.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2R5WQb9074870 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13392 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2005 05:32:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=T5Q9t7dxsjqS4UDAg//TFtgPxeH7/yD9TbxzcnodyIIr1q/dcj/Ch8gvUIWgNi1vhJEMN1DjXr9AJMlqYzgUaYf+nE9oOVgNfEpGz4EoTFAqiKERYMqno9lvpSYuxSPS7zszRQdxd1UUbhN8Cd5Doe/aN60cTdjP2KsPmjxJi10= ; Message-ID: <20050327053220.13390.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.135] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:20 PST Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As a SCAdian personally It does not bother me a bit to be called a re-enactor... I know that is not really what SCA is about... The Current Middle Ages in a way we kinda do recreate "things" from history we just jumble 1000 years of history together and all play together unstead of just one small point in history like the Civil War, WWI & II, War of 1812 people do they do actual historical specific events.... I feel we do more Arts and Sciences or ways of life throughout and try to recreate and preserve. what various peoples did during history It is an odd view point I know but it is mine... Satine AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: To the esteemed list: I am addressing this forum with the following question: For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not object to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take exception to the term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American Civil War, for example). So please share your opinions with me. Thanks very much. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 11:38:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RGcpNW032056 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:38:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RGbhLV008383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RGbVnH040018; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RGbTeG039982 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22918 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:51:37 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:51:35 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO People outside the costumed vocations/avocations occasionally need a way to refer to all of them collectively. The usual understandable term seems to be "re-enactor." For instance, my publisher will refer to "the re-enactor market" meaning living history interpreters, SCA members, etc. -- basically anyone who dresses up and does period activities, for whatever purpose. Generally we all know what that means. I find the distinctions seem far more important to some people within the specialties. When I speak to a lecture audience, I find I can no longer refer casually to what "re-enactors" are interested in vs. what "academic researchers" or "theatre costumers" are concerned with (a topic that comes up occasionally in my talks) -- I have to be more verbose, e.g. "re-enactors, historical interpreters, and other people who re-create historic material culture" or some such mouthful. I also get scolding e-mails from people when I use the term "re-enactors" casually in correspondence, even when I think the meaning as a collective noun is clear; people seem to find it necessary to educate me just in case I don't understand that SCA people don't do re-enactment or whatver. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 12:51:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RHpRr2032473 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:51:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RHoFLV012764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RHo4TG080848; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RHnvk7080764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-114-99.sonic.net [209.148.114.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RHntc7011730 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:49:56 -0800 Message-ID: <4246F247.7060805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:49:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In my experience with writing marketing prose for our books, people know perfectly well what is meant by "reenactor" (which I think is the most efficient term for this audience, in terms of both scope of meaning and brevity). Readers are not offended by it (after all, it's not a slur), and it has no negative effect on whether they buy a book. I've never gotten an email "scolding" me for my use of terms, or on whether I choose to hyphenate "reenactor." If I did I'd ignore it. I'm writing marketing material to sell my books, not custom writing for someone else. And I have the sales figures to prove whether the books sell, which the average reader doesn't. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com >When I speak to a lecture audience, I find I can no longer >refer casually to what "re-enactors" are interested in vs. what "academic >researchers" or "theatre costumers" are concerned with (a topic that comes >up occasionally in my talks) -- I have to be more verbose, e.g. >"re-enactors, historical interpreters, and other people who re-create >historic material culture" or some such mouthful. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 14:01:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RJ1X8I000387 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RJ0PLV016931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RJ0H7l023689; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2GHTC0K056487 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x3ef32fe0.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.224]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD385EE0BB for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:29:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <01bc01c52a4d$af0adbe0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:00:16 -0700 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Please folks! I am sorry, but really i have to quite now. I have such a lot of work to do, and i cant cope with you people! I dont know what Alexia will think of me, she lives on Manhattan and i had a agreement with her about that chenille rose dress, I really have to shut my mouth now and take care of my sewing. So please h-costume members you have to be without me for a while I will post pictures for you as always, but dont know how when i have unsubscribed h-costume Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 14:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RJC24b000448 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RJBBLV017536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RJB7Op030207; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RJB6FD030136 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (pcp06952326pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.8.214]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932415CA7 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:11:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] help Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:11:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <01bc01c52a4d$af0adbe0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcUy/4k2jtWV0XU+T6yv0EFsqyBWxAAAPPsg Message-Id: <20050327191100.2932415CA7@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, we love hearing from you, go ahead and unsubscribe if you must until you are caught up and then come back and join us when you are less busy. We'll be here waiting, although we will miss you. -Megan -----Original Message----- Bjarne wrote: Please folks! I am sorry, but really i have to quite now. I have such a lot of work to do, and i cant cope with you people! I dont know what Alexia will think of me, she lives on Manhattan and i had a agreement with her about that chenille rose dress, I really have to shut my mouth now and take care of my sewing. So please h-costume members you have to be without me for a while I will post pictures for you as always, but dont know how when i have unsubscribed h-costume Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 14:15:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RJExBg000467 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:15:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RJE8LV017680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RJE87p031929; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (smtp1.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2RJE6vI031910 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:14:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (s3-22730); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:17 -0800 Received: from unknown (64.30.124.24) by smtp1.mc.surewest.net (s3-smtpd/0.90-beta3) with SMTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050327111010.00d8de10@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:13:56 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] help In-Reply-To: <01bc01c52a4d$af0adbe0$4096fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-TST: smtp1 SNWK3 0.31-80 ip=64.30.124.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Bjarne, I think you can put yourself on "no mail" rather than un-subscribing. That way you can come back into the conversations without re-subscribing. Just go to the website in the footer and change your subscription status to "no mail". That way you can send us a note with a link to your new creations. One of your many admirers, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA USA At 06:29 PM 3/16/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Please folks! >I am sorry, but really i have to quite now. >I have such a lot of work to do, and i cant cope with you people! >I dont know what Alexia will think of me, she lives on Manhattan and i had >a agreement with her about that chenille rose dress, I really have to shut >my mouth now and take care of my sewing. >So please h-costume members you have to be without me for a while >I will post pictures for you as always, but dont know how when i have >unsubscribed h-costume > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 18:13:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RNDW6O001724 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:13:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RNCGLV002453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RNC4ve071595; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:12:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RNBvPF071496 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:12:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m88.in-tch.com [216.166.191.88]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id j2RN82o23682 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:08:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <42473F00.3040104@in-tch.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:17:20 -0700 From: Sue Clemenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ...doing my best teenage eye-roll... Some people need to get a life, no? I've never had the pleasure of participating in reenactment (by which I tend to think of specific, known historical events being, well, reenacted), nor been an interpreter or done living history, so I tend to think of myself as a "recreator," which is, generally, how my local/regional SCA fellows tend to call ourselves. Somewhere at least a little more academic (at least potentially) that most RenFaire stuff, but not as rigorous as, say the American Civil War folks, or some of the amazing stuff done in Britain these days. Mostly, though, I don't think about the label at all. Perhaps if I did more than just SCA, then I might be trying to balance the description for this weekend's activities against next month's activities..... --sue Robin Netherton wrote: > I also get scolding e-mails from people when I use the term "re-enactors" > casually in correspondence, even when I think the meaning as a collective > noun is clear; people seem to find it necessary to educate me just in case > I don't understand that SCA people don't do re-enactment or whatver. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 18:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2RNO4PF001766 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:24:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2RNN8LV003396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RNN3ej077858; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:23:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2RNMUiG077466 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:22:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.15b.4dcc084e (4214) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.4dcc084e.2f789a2a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:22:18 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks, all on weighing in on the use of the term "reenactor." I think I can sum up thusly: First, it is a general term used as a kind of shorthand to include all living history, re-creation, and actual reenactment folks. Second, it more precisely refers to individuals or groups who are reenacting specific events, like battles of the ACW, War of 1812, or [thanks Martha!], the burning of Joan of Ark. I feel more comfortable now using the term in the first sense as a general description. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 19:16:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S0GAvO001999 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:16:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S0ERLV006900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0EDYh007417; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from aspirin.dii.utk.edu (aspirin.dii.utk.edu [160.36.0.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0E97Q007349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by aspirin.dii.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0Dv2d005215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:14:01 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:14:03 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: garb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Message-ID: <427DDA0A@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Part of it depends on what you want to do. (and you can email me off list if you like sfarmerATutkDOTedu or sfarmerATgoldswordDOTcom if you don't want to continue this here) If you're just wanting to keep a personal reference list, may I suggest BR-Archiver (http://www.br-software.com/) It's lovely, it's *cheap* and you can have all sorts of values that you can identify images with. If you're wanting to make an easy web page that you can indert and delete images at will, there are some nice CSS things that will help you do that. I tend to do my image galleries in plain HTML because I have a caption to go with each one -- and I haven't found a CSS style that will accomodate what I want to do cross-browser. Example of the kind of galleries that I do (and feel free to snarf the HTML if it suits your needs can be seen at http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Wildflower http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/gallery.html If you're trying to do a "plain old document, then you'll want to just create a table -- in WordPerfect there's a table button that lets you create a table of however many rows & columns that you want. Jerusha, botanist and techno-geek ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 19:24:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S0O7pN002046 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:24:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S0N9LV007461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0N669012532; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:23:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from puma.mail.utk.edu (puma.mail.utk.edu [160.36.178.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0Mt2t012426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by puma.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S0MrmL008112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:22:57 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:22:50 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Message-ID: <427DEC3E@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want to use > a non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my SQL > beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area > topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I > really would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in the > properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again so > that the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can be > associated with other descriptive information in the database...... Oh, yeah. You want to use BR photo archiver. I have no connection with those folks other than a *very* satisfied* costumer. They also respond quickly to questions and problems. http://www.br-software.com/ Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 20:36:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S1au9s002283 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:36:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S1ZaLV013571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S1ZSe1057062; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S1ZLB9056938 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE10031CGESFI@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:35:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:35:35 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT In-reply-to: <427DEC3E@webmail.utk.edu> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42475F67.3020501@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <427DEC3E@webmail.utk.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO The BR sounds cool. The thing is that I also want to be able to, in the same row but different columns, show zoom-in on costume details. Like this. R1 C1(1532) R1 C2 (AETISAN) R1C3 ( OVERALL PICTURE-A) R1C4 ( DETAIL) R1C5 (ANOTHER DETAIL) R2 C1(1577) R2 C2 (AETISAN) R2C3 ( OVERALL PICTURE-B) R2C4 ( DETAIL-B) R2C5 (ANOTHER DETAIL-B) R3 C1(1590) R3 C2 (BRUGAL) R3C3 ( OVERALL PICTURE-C) R3C4 ( DETAIL-C) R3C5 (ANOTHER DETAIL-C) See, my goal is to see if a certain hat type or how certain styles evolve over time. I just have trouble seeing how dress style and stuff evolve and i was thinking this would be a good way to see it. Susan Farmer wrote: >>Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want to use >>a non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my SQL >>beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area >>topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I >>really would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in the >>properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again so >>that the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can be >>associated with other descriptive information in the database...... >> >> > >Oh, yeah. You want to use BR photo archiver. I have no connection with those >folks other than a *very* satisfied* costumer. They also respond quickly to >questions and problems. > >http://www.br-software.com/ > >Jerusha > >----- >Susan Farmer >sfarmer@goldsword.com >Botany Department, University of Tennessee >http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 21:04:02 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S24221002396 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S233LV015474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S230A2073579; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S22weq073562 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from matchlck@erols.com) Received: from 66-44-0-69.s69.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com (HELO erols.com) (66.44.0.69) by smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2005 21:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: <424765CB.9010604@erols.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:02:51 -0500 From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 (emach0202) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mold and "vintage" patterns References: <20d2b6720ce6c2.20ce6c220d2b67@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO jaurbik@optonline.net wrote: > The patterns do smell a little and make me snnize, so-if you are > allergic to mold, don't say you want them! FYI. All you need to do is take some baking soda and a box. Place some baking soda in bottom of the box, in-between the folds or pages of the pattern and on top. Be generous. Cover the box. Put in a dry cool place for month or so. Dump the baking soda from the box and the pattern. Every thing should be good as new. I have tried this several time for books and magazines. It eliminates the smell and appears to stop the spread of the mold Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 22:08:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S38K8l002642 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S373LV020333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S36s5w011333; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:06:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav18.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.89] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S36qwI011295 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:06:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by BAY106-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:06:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net><42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> <4246236A.3060206@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:06:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2005 03:06:47.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DBA80F0:01C53343] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I guess I spoke too soon....ACCESS does do it Yes, but make sure you put LINKS to your files. If you actually put the images in your database, you'll end up with a **HUGE** file that'll take several minutes to load and will eventually start accumulating errors. Actually, that's also true of Word. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 22:19:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S3Jfq3002712 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S3IdLV021168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S3IZOS019030; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:18:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S3ITBi018878 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE100E7OL74D8@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:18:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:18:44 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <42477794.4080205@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <629105.1111888009922.JavaMail.root@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <42461B22.3080409@optonline.net> <4246220D.30007@earthlink.net> <4246236A.3060206@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe that was the problem. it got to huge, I don't mind the time to load, but for my project I need to see the pictures.... Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Yes, but make sure you put LINKS to your files. If you actually put > the images in your database, you'll end up with a **HUGE** file > that'll take several minutes to load and will eventually start > accumulating errors. Actually, that's also true of Word. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 27 23:03:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S43Ph2002968 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S42GLV023611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S42C8V042628; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S42AmB042598 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from Fiona ([162.84.114.221]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IE100LCBN7H5G13@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:02:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:02:04 -0500 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-reply-to: To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello again, I think this is again another example of one of the specialized groups within the broad set thinking it doesn't apply to them. I have heard this distinction between recreation and reenactment many times, but only amongst the SCA. Usually amongst those members of the SCA who do not do other types of history. It is true that "Re-enactors" sometimes portray historical events, but they often don't. Even when they do it often is little more than a name for the event, the actual events of which have nothing to do with the historic "battle " or what have you. Some of these reenactors practice the Arts and Sciences of their periods (I for instance take wet-plate photography at 19th century events which would be a very suitable art for an SCA laurel except for the tricky post 1600 thing). In fact I know of some re-enactors that never reenact a historic event. The real difference between the SCA and these other sorts are the period allowed. All of them have a far smaller period available, and often geographic restrictions as well. My point here is not that your wrong, just simply that the distinction is not generally made by those outside of the SCA. Like many things in the SCA, the definition of things from amongst its members often take on a definition not necessarily used outside of the Society. (There are by the bye, some reenactors who do not consider SCA members as reenactors either, but that is usually over perceived authenticity differences). I mean none of this as a slight to anyone. I am by profession a Historical Interpreter, I have volunteered as a docent, I have participated in reenacting from the late 1300s through 1945, and have been a SCA member off and on for the last 27 years, and consistently for the last six or seven. Just hope we don't get into a discussion regarding if what we wear is costume, garb, or historic clothing! Ron Carnegie > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:11 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT > > > I'm in the SCA, so I do what I consider medieval recreation, not medieval > re-enactment. To me, re-enactment would be to reproduce > historical events. > We're not doing that at all. > > I can't say that I object to being called a reenactor, but I > think it's not > an accurate description of what I'm doing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:50 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT > > > > To the esteemed list: > > > > I am addressing this forum with the following question: > > > > For those of you who do costumed living history, do you or do you not > > object > > to being called a "reenactor"? Some people seem to take > exception to the > > term, yet it seems to be common in other communities (American > Civil War, > > for > > example). So please share your opinions with me. > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 04:36:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2S9aW1T014195 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 04:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2S9ZNLV010948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:35:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S9Z76j030270; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:35:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2S9Z5Cs030243 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from oemcomputer.mn.rr.com (CPE-24-26-191-39.mn.rr.com [24.26.191.39]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2S9MNCj013308 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:22:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20050328032746.00bdad38@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Sender: dannw@pop-server.mn.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:32:08 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Regency bonnet for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Greetings, I apologize for the commercial message but I have a Regency bonnet for sale on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5568545958&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Or #5568545958 if the link isn't working. 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Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 09:54:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SEsVmj006960 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SEr9LV014303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SEqulP022549; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from panther.mail.utk.edu (panther.mail.utk.edu [160.36.178.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SEqr47022486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:52:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by panther.mail.utk.edu (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SEpv2p017606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:52:02 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:52:47 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Message-ID: <4283C625@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > The BR sounds cool. The thing is that I also want to be able to, in the > same row but different columns, show zoom-in on costume details. Like this. > > R1 C1(1532) R1 C2 (AETISAN) R1C3 ( OVERALL PICTURE-A) R1C4 ( > DETAIL) R1C5 (ANOTHER DETAIL) > I know that you can link images together -- like if you have a detail pic and the full image. You can "show only" images that meet a certain criterion as well (only "men" or only "italian" or only "sleeves" and I know that you can sort by date -- I"m not sure if you can sort by other details. It's a 30 day free trial to see if it does what you want -- I don't know that I've done exactly what you're trying to do; but I've done a lot of cool things with it. You can nest categories too. Say you have a main category Italian -- within that you can have categoried 'men,' 'early,' 'sleeves,' 'lacing,' 'hats,' etc. so that you can see *all* of the Italian images (sorted by date) or just a subset ..... Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 13:18:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SIIZlg008591 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SIH7LV007283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SIGq7t002768; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SIGovt002640 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1a2.30526536 (4320) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.30526536.2f79a401@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:16:33 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO A friend sent me a link to this cute little game and I thought I would pass it along here. Basically, it is a game on a Museum's web site that delves into the importance of manners in day to day life of the Victorians. As I sat here going through the part where the young lady goes for a promenade in the park, I was vividly contrasting it with a trip to the park by one of my own teenage daughters. Mind Your Manners! Adopt the role of a late 19th century character... ... and try to earn your place in a world where every move is governed by the rules of etiquette. _http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/keys/games/game_0/_ (http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/keys/games/game_0/) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 15:19:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SKJrEp009420 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:19:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SKI4LV019976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SKHrWK013909; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SKHmVR013786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) by pony.uvm.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2SKHh2J017266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:17:43 -0500 Message-ID: <42486666.5090108@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:17:42 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! References: <1a2.30526536.2f79a401@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a2.30526536.2f79a401@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Chindora@aol.com wrote: > Basically, it is a game on a Museum's web site that delves >into the importance of manners in day to day life of the Victorians. >_http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/keys/games/game_0/_ >(http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/keys/games/game_0/) > > > > That was fun until I got to the portion where one has invited guests for dinner and the answer to "what should the ladies do after dinner when the gentlemen are smoking" is "perform a movement from a Beethoven symphony for them." Ahem...unless one has hired an orchestra or is adept at playing multiple instruments simultaneously, one will not be hearing a symphony. Perhaps one might play a Beethoven Sonata... Really now....sniff... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 15:42:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SKgHig009537 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:42:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SKewLV022301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SKeqH4035154; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:40:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SKeos4035115 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-49-229.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.49.229]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SKaobb019356 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:36:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050328122843.025b2378@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:29:55 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! In-Reply-To: <42486666.5090108@uvm.edu> References: <1a2.30526536.2f79a401@aol.com> <1a2.30526536.2f79a401@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >That was fun until I got to the portion where one has invited guests for >dinner and the answer to "what should the ladies do after dinner when the >gentlemen are smoking" is "perform a movement from a Beethoven symphony >for them." Ahem...unless one has hired an orchestra or is adept at playing >multiple instruments simultaneously, one will not be hearing a symphony. >Perhaps one might play a Beethoven Sonata... >Really now....sniff... I wished the images were larger. I kept missing on the costume parts game and the match the dress with the period game, because of small images too small for me to see. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 18:48:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2SNmj71010474 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:48:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2SNlSLV013332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SNl1ua097702; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:47:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41821.mail.yahoo.com (web41821.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2SNkvH2097559 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97958 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2005 23:46:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Au8O5+ecR1udQr/7JJJJztakZM4TJq/ymLuTtZll5ImFd5pHEBC7rnd9HxvYaWRGUa8XC+7K6iW7Xf3DfWd4nvwmmGNdoXhjjt+A1khHt7Rc3mXMXx2pwa+jlBqq/0hYap3qaFWaAYNOksSJPq2y7XPMdK6lT8FKUnr5IIY8QOU= ; Message-ID: <20050328234650.97956.qmail@web41821.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.14.183.236] by web41821.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:46:50 PST Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT my view/2 pence worth To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This whole topic got me thinking,so I went to my Merriam -Websters and found: "re": 1.again:for a second time 2:anew:in a new or different form. 3:back,backward "enact" :to make into law(not relavant here) 2:to act out *enactment* How I see this applying is: when I attend,for example, a Renaissance Faire; they are creating or presenting their version on the Elizabethean era 1>"for a 2nd time"* By having people dress in costume of that era, they are repeating it..for a second time 2>"anew or *in a different form" *people are taller, the cloth is not exactly like 1500 weave, Calif. in summers weather is deffinately not England's mini ice age. 3> back-backwards, *Well, they try to take the general public "Back" in time as far how RPFC sees it. Enact: 1>(skip) 2> to act out *Yes by dressing this way and trying to talk that way, dancing the old dances,playing the old music, they are 2>"acting out" this all ='s---- re-enactment .---- "toe MAY toe, toe Mott oh, it all good to me..." Melody --- Lavolta Press wrote: > In my experience with writing marketing prose for > our books, people know > perfectly well what is meant by "reenactor" (which I > think is the most > efficient term for this audience, in terms of both > scope of meaning and > brevity). Readers are not offended by it (after > all, it's not a slur), > and it has no negative effect on whether they buy a > book. I've never > gotten an email "scolding" me for my use of terms, > or on whether I > choose to hyphenate "reenactor." If I did I'd > ignore it. I'm writing > marketing material to sell my books, not custom > writing for someone > else. And I have the sales figures to prove whether > the books sell, > which the average reader doesn't. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > >When I speak to a lecture audience, I find I can no > longer > >refer casually to what "re-enactors" are interested > in vs. what "academic > >researchers" or "theatre costumers" are concerned > with (a topic that comes > >up occasionally in my talks) -- I have to be more > verbose, e.g. > >"re-enactors, historical interpreters, and other > people who re-create > >historic material culture" or some such mouthful. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 20:14:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2T1E4nn010835 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2T1D8LV021687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:13:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T1D1MG061987; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T1CxtL061971 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from 172.18.12.38 ([172.18.12.16]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IE3002NMA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:12:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:12:58 -0600 From: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0IE3002NNA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Mind Your Manners! > > Adopt the role of a late 19th century character... Very interesting game...but I'm confused. Why do they have the characters wearing 18th c. clothing to the balls???? I got a 980. Those were the only two questions I got wrong! --Kathy K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 20:49:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2T1nj6O010993 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2T1mgLV024065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:48:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T1mZI6085259; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T1mVCE085159 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:48:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from alfalfapress.com (c-24-21-147-231.client.comcast.net [24.21.147.231]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2T1mPv07283 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:48:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:50:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Althea Turner To: Historical Costume Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0IE3002NNA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO It was a fancy dress ball. :D Althea On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 05:12 PM, wrote: > >> Mind Your Manners! >> >> Adopt the role of a late 19th century character... > > Very interesting game...but I'm confused. Why do they have the > characters wearing 18th c. clothing to the balls???? > > I got a 980. Those were the only two questions I got wrong! > --Kathy K. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Althea Turner *** althea@alfalfapress.com *** http://www.alfalfapress.com It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 28 23:04:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2T442eR011581 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2T42sLV002275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T42dJW073413; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T42a6E073315 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:02:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Susannah9810@aol.com) Received: from Susannah9810@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.fe.103b443b (2168) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Susannah9810@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:02:27 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I find this an interesting question -- do I object or not to being called a re-enactor? It honestly depends on who is doing the calling. If it is someone who is relatively new to historic inquiry, a visitor or someone of the general public, I would think they were pretty enlightened to even know the term. However, if it were my daughter or husband calling me a re-enactor, it would earn them a foul look and forty-seven lashes with a wet noodle. Best regards, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker and Fine Tailoring _www.virginvintage.com_ (http://www.virginvintage.com) "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 29 05:47:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2TAkx26009942 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TAjOLV024825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:45:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TAjFJ0020023; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:45:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TAjCha019872 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:45:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 34AEBE000259 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:44:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <027a01c5344c$56380d40$0200a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:44:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Robin, may I have your permission to send a copy of this message to my weaving list ? A member is having a similar problem, and only the burn test has been mentioned so far. Yours sincerely, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test question/properties of rayon > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, [iso-8859-1] Bella wrote: > > > Can someone please point me in the direction of > > instructions/directions on how to perform the "bleach test"? Sounds > > fascinating and definitely something I'd love to learn. :) > > Very easy. I learned it on this list, I think. I knocked the socks off my > manager at the shop, because we had no way before this to differentiate a > pure wool from a wool-and-natural-fiber blend. > > Wool and silk dissolve in bleach. Cotton, rayon, and linen do not. Do a > burn test first to identify synthetics (hard bead or plastic residue). If > you have a natural fiber, narrow it down by doing the following. > > Cut a small swatch -- half an inch square, or larger if you've got > multiple types of threads (e.g. a stripe or plaid) so you can get samples > of all the threads in one swatch. Put a little bleach (maybe 1/2 inch) in > a small jar (like a baby food jar) or a glass/pyrex custard cup, and add > the swatch. I use a toothpick or plastic spoon to poke the swatch down to > it's wet through. Leave it for a few hours or overnight. > > Wool will disappear completely -- the bleach will look perfectly clear. > Silk will disappear but usually leave a bit of residue. (Perhaps that's > the seracin?) Cotton, linen, and rayon will remain intact, though may lose > their color. > > A blend will dissolve in parts. For instance, in a wool/rayon blend where > each thread is made of multiple fibers, the wool fibers will dissolve and > you'll end up with a tangled mess of rayon fibers. If you have a fabric > where whole threads of wool or silk are interwoven with whole threads of a > non-animal fiber, such as some plaids or checks, you can get a nice grid > pattern remaining, with empty spots in the interlacing where the animal > fiber used to be. If one fiber is warp and one is weft, you'll end up with > a row of the non-animal fibers lined up neatly in the bottom of the cup. > > It's fun to watch this happening. Wool will fizz slightly, like when you > put peroxide on a cut. Check on it every little while and poke it with the > toothpick to break up the fibers if necessary; it can take a while for the > bleach to penetrate a thick fabric. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 29 06:00:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2TB0wtw013550 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TB02LV025586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TAxv7t028724; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TAxtRI028625 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A795E00028A for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <028301c5344e$6942b500$0200a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027a01c5344c$56380d40$0200a8c0@bella> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Dear Listmembers, I'm so sorry - I meant my last message to go personally. Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test > Dear Robin, > may I have your permission (snip) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 29 18:32:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2TNW0GD024372 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:32:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TNTgLV020046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TNTRHQ049767; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:29:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TNTLCV049615 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.129](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005032923290601400ah8ofe>; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:29:16 +0000 Received: from [24.19.214.38] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:29:03 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net (Elena O'Tighearnaigh) To: aquaterratextiles@yahoogroups.com (Aquaterra Textiles), h-costume@indra.com (Costume Historical), Reeds@baronyofaquaterra.org (Reeds Aquaterra), AnTirMerchants@yahoogroups.com (Merchants An Tir) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:29:03 +0000 Message-Id: <032920052329.18433.4249E4BF000B91D60000480122069984990809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Maybe OT Pigments Site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO For those who would like to use pigments for their artistic endeavors.... -- Slan go foill Elena ÓTighearnaigh Átha An Ri Emer's Needle Wares http://www.iconofile.com/ Greetings, Good Folk! The above URL points the way to a site that sells ground stone, among other things, with which one may make period paint. Cool! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 29 21:30:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2U2UQdG025241 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:30:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2U2T9LV004862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:29:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U2Swrf083742; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U2Sujq083694 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DGSwx-0005dE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:28:55 -0800 Message-ID: <424A0F08.9090100@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:29:28 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Black and White designer dress (1950?s) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, recently on one of my lists (pretty sure it was this one) someone pointed out a 50ish dress that was long very wide. White with black (applicaes?) I think it was strappless and had a funky little cape to go with it. Can you repost the url? Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 29 22:05:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2U35nVf025465 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2U33MLV007008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U33AUB006443; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from xan.moya.bigdumbdog.com (client230-190.dsl.intrex.net [209.42.230.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U333X6006296 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from djbates@bigdumbdog.com) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:06:50 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Announcement Thread-Index: AcU0kxM2ESORp+9sTdGzqT4A2ZEfZwAQljZQ From: "Donna J. Bates" To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Announcement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id j2U35nVf025465 Status: RO On July 15 through 17, 2005 Margo Anderson will be appearing at the Sixth Annual Trinoc*coN Speculative Fiction/Fantasy/Science Conference in the Triangle area of North Carolina. About Margo Margo Anderson has been interested in costume since early childhood, and has been costuming professionally for over 25 years, making a wide range of historical, fantasy, and theatrical costumes. In 1999 she realized a long term dream by starting her company, Historic Costume Patterns, specializing in historically accurate Elizabethan sewing patterns. On the weekend of September 7, 2002, she traveled to Michigan, where she had been invited to be the keynote speaker at the SCA's 2002 Knowne World Costume Symposium http://kwcs1.tripod.com/index.htm. Margo is a third generation SF reader, and the granddaughter of SF writer L. Jerome Stanton. She lives in a small town in the Northern California foothills with her husband, the writer Wayne Anderson, and her two sons. For relaxation, she enjoys singing, belly dancing, reading, and spending too much time on the Net. More information on Margo and her patterns can be found on her personal website at: http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm or her patterning website at: http://www.margospatterns.com/ About Trinoc*coN My name is Donna Bates, I won a first, second and two third place ribbons at the 2004 NC State Fair for my Elizabethan Noblewoman's dress, a Mandarin Collared Blouse, and an Elizabethan Noblewoman's Tall Hat and Feathered Fan - all but the Mandarin Collared Blouse made with Margo's Patterns. I've been creating costumes for Renaissance Faire-goers for several years now and all of those things combined have given me the chance for the last 2 years to be the Costume Coordinator at the annual Trinoc*coN Conference. Trinoc*coN is held annually and embraces the speculative sides of art, literature, science, gaming, costuming and media. We hold an art auction as well as our annual charity auction, whose proceeds go to benefit the Wake County Literacy Council. The charity auction is possible because of items donated by our members/attendees as well as local businesses and exclusive, one of a kind collector items from our guests. Our past guests have included fantasy artist Ursula Vernon; author Lois McMaster Bujold and James Conrad from NASA. Trinoc*coN also holds panels to discuss a wide variety of subjects in the areas of scifi/fantasy and speculation; we have gaming for the entire family; there are musical guests who hold concerts and classes on historical music appreciation; there are competitions in miniature painting and costuming; we have workshops for writers, artists, comics, costuming and such diverse areas as SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) crafts, silver-clay demonstrations; and one of our most popular events is our "Critter Costuming" where attendees each receive an 11" articulated teddy bear and choosing from piles of scrap fabrics and trims create a costume on the bear using needle and thread as well as glue. The attendees may then enter their costumed bear into our annual contest and win prizes or just take it home with them. We offer this event free with the price of their admission/membership fee to the conference and anyone may take part. Margo will be holding panels and workshops on costuming and it's relationships to art and literature at our 2005 Conference and as word has hit the costuming world of her attendance we've received a larger number of inquiries for memberships/admissions. Fellow sewers, costumers, and all around "crafty folk", I invite you to attend our Conference this year! We will be holding our annual Costume Masquerade; our annual Hall Contest for those in costume but who are too shy to get on stage; the "Critter Costuming" competition as well as workshops in Silver Clay taught by local artist Scott Cover. If you've ever wanted to create custom buttons, beads or embellishments for your outfits, Scott will show you how to make items out of genuine silver in a clay form. And for those who want to show their ingenious creative side enter our First IRON SEAMSTRESSES Competition. You and 3 of your friends, along with the $25.00 entry fee, and using no more than $100.00 of newly purchased materials and components (and no more than 25% of the cost to be from pre-constructed/purchased items - i.e., boots, hats, etc.) construct a costume - pick historical, theatrical, comic, scifi, fantasy, past, present, futuristic, any timeframe, genre or dimension and compete with other teams for the chance to win the Grand Prize taken from the entry fees (½ of all entry fees are placed into the prize fund, ½ of all entry fees are placed into the Trinoc*coN operating fund for the upcoming 2006 Conference). This is a one prize only competition, the winning team wins the entire prize amount! So the easiest way to win a big prize is to get as many of your friends to team up and enter too! We'd like to invite everyone with any interest in costuming, science, literature, art or gaming to plan to join us for our conference to meet Margo and her husband Wayne and take part in our panels, discussions, workshops and costuming events. Please go to the Trinoc-coN website at www.trinoc-con.org to pre-register to attend or to get more information. To contact the Costuming Coordinator please send email directly to costuming@trinoc-con.org Donna Bates, Conference Co-Chair Trinoc-coN VI July 15-17, 2005 The Premier Research Triangle Speculative Fiction Conference Durham, North Carolina http://www.trinoc-con.org email: costuming@trinoc-con.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 03:32:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2U8WpXB013708 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:32:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2U8V5LV029140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U8Utn4015577; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:30:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2U8UlAh015172 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:30:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2U8UFd09954.; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:30:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:30:15 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:30:08 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO (Coming in late to the discussion after the Easter break.) "Reenactment" is the usual term for the activity here in the UK (don't know about British SCA, though). In my society we use "living history" for the people who camp in period style and demonstrate crafts etc. to the public, as distinct from the majority who use modern tents/caravans and do the battle reenactment. I've never heard the word "docent" used here - I suppose they would be called something like "costumed interpreters". Kate Bunting Librarian & 17c reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 11:25:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UGPu7t030062 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UGGILV011496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UGG5ie019875; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web40422.mail.yahoo.com (web40422.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.92.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2UGG0jR019687 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34331 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2005 16:15:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=myWeppTzppu1ZQz+LNRtzun9C0iCkE2UW16pH2FhijGrN3vPqpK2NCZS0TNHAUZBk+bQQfS93O5mMi5L2lV9KoCy7YEj4OQ3TuAmkm2Hz2hK8mqxAvFIfiGIcfP5D5CGLhHQoSAtdrI5x3F47BwRzr90hSK30iuNt/xS9Mz4WVI= ; Message-ID: <20050330161552.34329.qmail@web40422.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.176.127] by web40422.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:52 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200503270307.j2R37EDA091780@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I use Adobe Photoshop 7.0 at work and have been taking a class on the new Photoshop CS, and it has a pretty cool feature which allows you to add keywords and metadata to photos. Then you can search for photos by the keyword(s) you want. However, it's a rather pricey way to organize your collection ($300+). There's also another Adobe product called Photoshop Album, which allows you to assign "categories" to photos. Then you can display all the photos in a category. It's basically a "mini-Photoshop" and it's much cheaper, but it probably doesn't have the processing power you're looking for. Just my $0.02... ~Mary > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:33 -0700 > From: Wicked Frau > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT > > Wow, I didn't know Filemaker was still around! I had used it years > > ago.....or maybe I am confusing that with FoxPro....Filemaker I > used > only 3 or 4 years ago. > Oh well, sounds like it is worth investigation. I would not want > to use > a non database type structure for this kind of thing. Though my > SQL > beginnings were with ACCESS, sounds like Filemaker has this area > topped! BTW, I don't think it was a waste of time at all! What I > > really would like to be able to do is put all the "factoid" data in > the > properties section of the picture file and then suck it out again > so > that the "critical" data remains with the file itself and then can > be > associated with other descriptive information in the database...... > > Oh why, Oh why did I become a mechanical engineer, when computers > are > SOOOO much coooler! > > Sg > "Pictures of perfection, as you know, make me sick & wicked." ~ Jane Austen "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." ~ Steven Wright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 13:26:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UIQcuu030884 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:26:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UINwLV025519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UINaBD035022; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UINF21034620 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DGhqN-0002uR-8N for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:23:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:21:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO As far as I'm aware British SCA use "reenactment" as well - but the SCA this side of the pond is a very different beast from the SCA in the US, just because of the different influences around it. I get the impression from other people's posts that in the US "reenactment" is seen more precisely as doing a specific event, in the original location, as it originally happened, etc, mainly ACW battles. That particular approach is less common in the UK, possibly because our battles on UK soil are longer ago and we don't have the same amount of documentation about exactly how they went. And while we might do a particular battle occasionally, for a special anniversary for example, the same groups will be out the next weekend just representing a typical skirmish that might have happened around that time. So there's less emphasis on making those distinctions. Jean Kate M Bunting wrote >(Coming in late to the discussion after the Easter break.) >"Reenactment" is the usual term for the activity here in the UK (don't >know about British SCA, though). In my society we use "living history" >for the people who camp in period style and demonstrate crafts etc. to >the public, as distinct from the majority who use modern tents/caravans >and do the battle reenactment. > >I've never heard the word "docent" used here - I suppose they would be >called something like "costumed interpreters". > >Kate Bunting >Librarian & 17c reenactor >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 14:46:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UJkT0P031562 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UJitLV004138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:44:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UJib06009170; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UJiWrJ009068 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.58]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UJiSck032422 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:44:28 -0500 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.211] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-211.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.211]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UJiQ5u037270 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050330104848.025c63d8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:44:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >I get the impression from other people's posts that in the US >"reenactment" is seen more precisely as doing a specific event, in the >original location, as it originally happened, etc, mainly ACW battles. >That particular approach is less common in the UK, possibly because our >battles on UK soil are longer ago and we don't have the same amount of >documentation about exactly how they went. And while we might do a >particular battle occasionally, for a special anniversary for example, the >same groups will be out the next weekend just representing a typical >skirmish that might have happened around that time. So there's less >emphasis on making those distinctions. In the US, American Civil War re-enactors don't always do actual battles on the actual sites. In California, for example, this is almost impossible, yet there are hundreds of re-enactors here. Mostly these people skirmish in a period manner, and sometimes they re-create part of, or all of, of a battle originally fought thousands of miles away on the other side of the country. Yet they consistently call themselves re-enactors. Renaissance Faire participants in California think of themselves as doing living history, because the first Ren. Faire here was put on by the Living History Center (they may have invented the term) in the late 1960s. Ren. Faire people usually call themselves 'participants' because that's what the management of these Faires call them. But if people own, or work for, craft or food booths, they call themselves 'boothies'. Or if they get paid for their stage acts, they call themselves 'performers'. People who come to play with the participants, and buy season tickets to do so, often get called 'playtrons' where the usual customer is officially called a 'patron'. Many people just go to Faires to be with their friends who work the Faires, and they don't call themselves by any special name. None of these people think of themselves as re-enactors and certainly not as docents. People in California who give guided tours of historical sites, while wearing historical costumes, usually call themselves docents if they are talking about historical events in the third person. They think of themselves as doing living history if they are portraying someone who lived in, or would have lived in, the historical period in question, and these people talk about the same historical events in the first person. Docents typically dress "old timey" rather than in accurate historical clothing reproductions, and it's the rare docent, or site, that cares about costumes accurate to the period of the site or giving historical information in the first person. Some of these historical sites have specific Living History Days. These events have the usual staff of docents and may attract non-docent living history people from elsewhere. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 17:40:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UMe1KV032692 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:40:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UMcfLV026835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:38:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UMcUrB075132; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UMcKEY074838 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-56-70.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.56.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2UMc9bj028296 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:38:11 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c53578$c9834c60$4638d9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000296E9E98AF54AAA7FF7B922C98BF802D5A784@fsmail.lynchburg.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT international DVDs Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:22:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO for those in Australia, somebody has recently told me that the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumers Commission I think) has ruled that limiting DVDs by region is anti competitive and they are putting in steps to make sure that DVDs sold in Australia are not region coded and I think they may also be stopping the sale of single region DVD players so in the relatively near future we should hopefully see this problem disappearing. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Formo, Nathan" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT international DVDs > I recently had a similar problem. A DVD I got for Christmas was coded for the UK only. However I have a DVD burner on my PC at work. Most PC's will not stop you from using foreign DVDs. Using some publicly available software I was able to copy my DVD and when it did it removed the region code from the new DVD I burned. Yes, this did take a little bit of work but as far as I know this does not violate copywrite laws. The copy was for my personal use and I own the original. Since the DVD is unavailable with a US region code it's not like I had any other options. > > BjÇ«rn Arnaldsson > > Lord Bjorn Arnaldsson > Barony of Black Diamond > > > > > > > >Elizabeth is right about the zones, but multi-zone DVD players > >aren't all that hard to find, nor are they necessarily more > >expensive. My husband and I bought our multi-zone DVD player > >18 months ago from J&B Hi-Fi ( which seems to have shops in > >every state except the Northern Territory ) for > >AUS$150.00-ish. Yes, it was on special, but the normal price > >wasn't so much dearer. It isn't a brand we had ever heard of, > >but it does what it is supposed to, which is to play DVDs. > >DVD record/write/rewrite/play on the other hand..... they are > >much more expensive. ( One day, one day..... ;-) ) > > > >Joannah ( in Brisbane, Australia ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:19:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNJvEV000352 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:19:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNIZLV001423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNIIFO011071; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2SKFOHX011376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:15:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2924415014E for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13331-01-57 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourzpvq75jcr6 (ip194.182.235.64.susc.suscom.net [64.235.182.194]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 434B6150148 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:15:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <041301c533d2$b0ffa5a0$c2b6eb40@yourzpvq75jcr6> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:14:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Just hope we don't get into a discussion regarding if what we wear is > costume, garb, or historic clothing! > > Ron Carnegie How about just "clothes"? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:26:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNQ0L1000377 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:26:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNOxLV002407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNOxDR017107; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T2PsA6009370 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-40-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.40.238]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2T2Pubt016254 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:25:57 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20050328181830.0259ced8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:19:28 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! In-Reply-To: <0IE3002NNA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > > Adopt the role of a late 19th century character... > >Very interesting game...but I'm confused. Why do they have the characters >wearing 18th c. clothing to the balls???? If you squint really hard, you'll see that it's the 19th century version of the 18th century, and I believe they did say 'fancy dress'. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:25:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNPui2000374 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNOaLV002322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNOU1E016673; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:24:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2T1gI75081035 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE3002C9BDZ6Z@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:42:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:42:36 -0500 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! In-reply-to: <0IE3002NNA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4248B28C.1070502@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) References: <0IE3002NNA1MMBY1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Its a "Fancy Dreses Party", which I take (from my reading of regancy romances-my historic period is ealier) is supposed to be a costume party. J Schueller kathysmassmail@verizon.net wrote: >>Mind Your Manners! >> >>Adopt the role of a late 19th century character... >> >> > >Very interesting game...but I'm confused. Why do they have the characters wearing 18th c. clothing to the balls???? > >I got a 980. Those were the only two questions I got wrong! > --Kathy K. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:28:14 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNSDC1000396 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:28:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNRGLV002782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNRES6019288; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail6.mdx.safepages.com (mail6.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.49]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TDIH0B016358 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EA404179F9D; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:18:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust206.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.206]) by mail6.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E3D12179F92 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:17:59 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <08a301c53461$dd7806b0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027a01c5344c$56380d40$0200a8c0@bella> <028301c5344e$6942b500$0200a8c0@bella> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:18:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO This reminds me, though, of something I learned when I forgot about a bleach test after deciding to leave it going 'a bit longer.' I had a swatch that I was pretty sure was a linen weft with a silk warp, and sure enough, after several hours the warp was all gone. However, when I found it again a few days later, still soaking, I was surprised to notice that the linen was about halfway gone as well! I left it in longer after that, to see what would happen, and after about 2 weeks there was nothing left but a bit of cloudy residue. (And oddly enough, the bleach was no longer able to bleach! I tried putting another swatch in that container, but even though I knew it was bleachable, it barely if at all changed color. In fresh bleach, it changed color almost immediately.) I think it may have a bit to do with the fact that the linen fibers in that swatch were spun very loosely, if at all; I've had a tightly spun & woven linen twill swatch in undiluted clorox bleach for a month, and have only lost maybe 10% at most of it. Some of Fabric-Store's turel has been in for the same length of time, and seems to have lost a bit as well, but not enough for me to be sure. I had some interesting experiences with a swatch of odd poly cloth, but since it was an unidentified c1960s fabric I'm not certain that it was unblended. If I ever get bored, I'll put in some hemp, cotton, tencel, etc swatches for a few months. Aahhh, kitchen experiments. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNTq0Y000410 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:29:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNSsLV003012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:28:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNSrok020784; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TEhd5B077281 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09266 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:57:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:57:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test In-Reply-To: <027a01c5344c$56380d40$0200a8c0@bella> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Linda Walton wrote: > may I have your permission to send a copy of this message to my weaving list > ? A member is having a similar problem, and only the burn test has been > mentioned so far. That was meant personally, but I'll answer on-list in case anyone else wants it: Sure! I didn't invent the method, just wrote it up. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:31:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNV44M000420 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNU4LV003213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNTu6c021782; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from leopard.mail.utk.edu (leopard.mail.utk.edu [160.36.0.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2TF6i7Q096103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:06:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@utk.edu) Received: from webmail.utk.edu (camel.usg.utk.edu [160.36.178.34]) by leopard.mail.utk.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j2TFKYjX026718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:20:34 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: sfarmer Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:06:41 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002252 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test Message-ID: <4294806A@webmail.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Spam-Status: Message recipients not local. 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This was *new* information for me! thanks, Susan/ Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:35:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNZKWr000438 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:35:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNYOLV003952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNYMCg026007; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:34:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f25.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UBO1BL015728 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:24:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 162.84.114.221 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:23:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.84.114.221] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <424A0F08.9090100@earthlink.net> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Black and White designer dress (1950?s) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:23:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2005 11:23:56.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5E82220:01C5351A] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Isn't it at the Met? Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. >From: Wicked Frau >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume@indra.com" >Subject: [h-cost] Black and White designer dress (1950?s) >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:29:28 -0700 > >Hi, recently on one of my lists (pretty sure it was this one) someone >pointed out a 50ish dress that was long very wide. White with black >(applicaes?) >I think it was strappless and had a funky little cape to go with it. Can >you repost the url? > >Thanks! > >Sg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:42:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNgAND000571 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNeaLV004976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNeLlv031834; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNeA6x031606 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.12a.5a31cda1 (3980) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:40:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:40:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/30/2005 6:25:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaurbik@optonline.net writes: ts a "Fancy Dreses Party", which I take (from my reading of regancy romances-my historic period is ealier) is supposed to be a costume party. Ah, yes. And that is why so many extant 18th century dresses have been mucked with--people dug them out of the attic, trunk, or whatever, and altered them to wear for fancy dress. While we lament the alteration, at least, I guess, that helped insure their survival. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 18:43:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2UNhBAi000606 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:43:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2UNgFLV005255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2UNgCI1033572; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:42:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web42109.mail.yahoo.com (web42109.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.218]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2UMAPjV048303 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3506 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2005 22:10:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NIkIk97d/5F6sLbmt8Phqkf3ZMevCmWpsC3/8sUuPwd1PexsuPd8kFg0mbE3+WB1ih3EQGSu4lAnHVKAr7B96jGoqtHd7Vvwj7uYppkf73o92lRdrLBEq8dAuD6sKz/zslYzXnyH8p95b8/Y0xnSdu3TmHrJDrTMIW0SmN3plOA= ; Message-ID: <20050330221020.3504.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.113.91.64] by web42109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:10:19 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Introducing Me! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just wanted to introduce myself to the group. My name is Jodi Nelson and I have been costuming for 4 years now. I live in St.George, UT.Just up the road from me is the Utah Shakespere Festval and in our town is the Tuahcan Center for the Performing Arts, as well as a few other theatre groups. I am looking to start making costumes full-time and selling them on the 'Net. I have been receiving the posts here for a little while and am enjoying them very much. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 19:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V0GT8H000856 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V0F3LV010002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V0ExKZ062289; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:14:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V0EFuT061612 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:14:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DGnKA-0002Q2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:14:15 -0800 Message-ID: <424B40F6.3090101@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:14:46 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black and White designer dress (1950?s) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Well that was what I thought too, and darned if I can't find it! I so want to see it again and I can't believe I did not bookmark it! Nancy Kiel wrote: > Isn't it at the Met? > > > > Nancy Kiel > nancy_kiel@hotmail.com > Never tease a weasel! > This is very good advice. > For the weasel will not like it > And teasing isn't nice. > > > > >> From: Wicked Frau >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: "h-costume@indra.com" >> Subject: [h-cost] Black and White designer dress (1950?s) >> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:29:28 -0700 >> >> Hi, recently on one of my lists (pretty sure it was this one) someone >> pointed out a 50ish dress that was long very wide. White with black >> (applicaes?) >> I think it was strappless and had a funky little cape to go with it. >> Can you repost the url? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Sg >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 19:16:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V0GUvZ000859 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V0F6LV010011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V0F5hP062391; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V0F4iR062369 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DGnKy-0002kZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:15:04 -0800 Message-ID: <424B412B.9070602@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:39 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Introducing Me! References: <20050330221020.3504.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050330221020.3504.qmail@web42109.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Welcome Jodi...lots of nice folks here ! Sg Jodi Nelson wrote: >Just wanted to introduce myself to the group. My name is Jodi Nelson and I have been costuming for 4 years now. I live in St.George, UT.Just up the road from me is the Utah Shakespere Festval and in our town is the Tuahcan Center for the Performing Arts, as well as a few other theatre groups. I am looking to start making costumes full-time and selling them on the 'Net. I have been receiving the posts here for a little while and am enjoying them very much. > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 19:49:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V0n6HL001060 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:49:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V0ltLV013435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:47:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V0lkd2087679; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com (web41901.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2V0lhEM087600 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61244 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2005 00:47:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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Satine Susan Farmer wrote: > Dear Listmembers, > I'm so sorry - I meant my last message to go personally. > Linda Walton, > (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). > > Hey, I"m glad it didn't. This was *new* information for me! thanks, Susan/ Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Botany Department, University of Tennessee http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=M/xQh7VwUhj+BJK4VlBvMzGAjcVaZVCNj3ITKuCArCr4y5A451HSIJOqAU6XSE3UouUbPHkk0giXQTa6jC7sBRaHacU/0XsVp3u3Zl5CCV63fdT8Ud2xNWpPvzqOqwuvFKTIvRnxFKA7Fp9xd+l3fLj/lYp1Wnjua9FYKliqDIY= ; Message-ID: <20050331015936.28118.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.177] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:59:36 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have been having trouble with he land line connection... hopefully its fixed... anyway I lost several msgs.. and was wondering if this was the site that mentioned teh Dyes and Dyeing. if so would someone please re-post for me thanks! 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 21:12:01 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V2C01Q001329 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V2AnLV020432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V2Ak29045457; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from kline.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V2AfCA045395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:10:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline.thibault.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2V24dmT003409 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:04:39 -0500 Received: from thibault.org (cetaganda.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.21]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <424B5C1F.6060707@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:10:39 -0500 Organization: Medieval Hats: http://www.virtue.to User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test/messages References: <20050331015936.28118.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050331015936.28118.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Lady Satine wrote: > I lost several msgs. Mail is still coming through irregularly; every day or two some messages come through that are 4 days old, while I've been appearing to get regular messages. So your missing messages may yet arrive. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 21:21:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V2LecZ001371 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V2KBLV021060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V2K1Dw051534; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V2JwiP051414 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-A1.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) id <01LMJL9UMAHSIU2H9P@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:19:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.5.228] (itascad45a.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.5.228]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30791) with ESMTP id <01LMJL9U3V2UIP2MCE@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:19:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:20:19 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! In-reply-to: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <424B5E63.4090906@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) References: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 3/30/2005 6:25:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >jaurbik@optonline.net writes: > >ts a "Fancy Dreses Party", which I take (from my reading of regancy >romances-my historic period is ealier) is supposed to be a costume party. > > > _I'd_ call that a fancy dress party. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Quot homines, tot sententiae. ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 21:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V2slWB001515 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V2rcLV023722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:53:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V2rXcq074000; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com (web41908.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2V2rVK2073929 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from seamuslady@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74966 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2005 02:53:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FXHtR31wOHn3MogL7mIV+Pw07qf/kw/6MKSkv1Ko+6akUlaZw28mc6J3tKePKRUMmlZdoMUSBY/iMwDv4Q9sEt1iMwoLfRYWdeEFXootYYnU3JCorpKomLtUby5hMN738xAp2ZhX4jga7eMz6vOlgMn9Nw/hQDhOrx09fchBRcE= ; Message-ID: <20050331025325.74964.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.8.166.177] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:53:25 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Satine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach Test/messages To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I saw this one, But I am not sure what site it is from... I went to open it and then blink, Blue Screen of Death, then Black screen computer system rebooting.... our apt bldg apparently had old wires that needed to be replaced.... I will wait a couple day to see if that msg comes through again. I have been getting duplicate msg from this site! Satine Cynthia Virtue wrote: Lady Satine wrote: > I lost several msgs. Mail is still coming through irregularly; every day or two some messages come through that are 4 days old, while I've been appearing to get regular messages. So your missing messages may yet arrive. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 22:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V3X2uK001931 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:33:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V3VWLV026290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:31:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V3VLh9099720; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V3VHPo099664 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.156.216] (dialup-4.249.156.216.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.156.216]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V3Mt0J025327 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:22:56 -0800 Message-ID: <424B6F6B.10405@oldwaylane.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:32:59 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi folks, I have a question for Drea, or anyone else familiar with 17th century underwear. I'm slowly in process of making a 17th century Dutch dress (along with about 5 other various outfits) and I ws looking at the measurements for the smock/chemise. I used Drea's custom fit smock generator but I'm not sure.... are 17th century smocks supposed to be huge and baggy? It's pretty much the exact same pattern as your basic viking smock (2 side gores, 2 underarm gusstes). But my viking smocks are much more, well, not exactly fitted, but not really baggy. I compared my normal smocks with the meaurements that came on the smock generator and there's about 9" difference in the width of the body panel and another 5" width on each of the side gore halves. If I make it as big as the chart says, it's going to be voluminous. Are they supposed to be that big at this time?? Maybe it is, I don't know! But I don't want to cut the fabric until I know which set of numbers to use. Thanks. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 30 23:40:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V4ev9I002359 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V4dWLV001530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V4dNoX044280; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web81409.mail.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2V4dLUs044202 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:39:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20050331043916.11301.qmail@web81409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.153.7.113] by web81409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:39:16 PST X-RocketYMMF: cybalshouse Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Doyle Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I compared my normal smocks with the > meaurements that came on the smock generator and there's about 9" difference in the width of the body panel and another 5" width on each of the side gore halves. If I make it as big as the chart says, it's going to be voluminous. > > When I used the generator it came out with what I thought was too large measurements, I'm guessing the fuller bust line may have something to do with it, do I made a few adjustments and was happy with it in the end Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 01:05:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V65gIW002730 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:05:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V64VLV007745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V64Jlh097810; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:04:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2V649Z4097675 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 06:04:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331065809.014c2b00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:04:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks In-Reply-To: <424B6F6B.10405@oldwaylane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 22:32 30/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi folks, > I have a question for Drea, or anyone else familiar with 17th > century underwear. I'm slowly in process of making a 17th century Dutch > dress (along with about 5 other various outfits) and I ws looking at the > measurements for the smock/chemise. > > I used Drea's custom fit smock generator but I'm not sure.... are > 17th century smocks supposed to be huge and baggy? It's pretty much the > exact same pattern as your basic viking smock (2 side gores, 2 underarm > gusstes). But my viking smocks are much more, well, not exactly fitted, > but not really baggy. I compared my normal smocks with the meaurements > that came on the smock generator and there's about 9" difference in the > width of the body panel and another 5" width on each of the side gore > halves. If I make it as big as the chart says, it's going to be voluminous. > > Are they supposed to be that big at this time?? Maybe it is, I > don't know! But I don't want to cut the fabric until I know which set of > numbers to use. The smock that I measured at the Museum of London is 46" around at approximately the bust point. From the shoulder seam it is 8" down for the sleeve, 3" down for the underarm gusset, then I took the measurement from there. It is approximately 45" from the shoulder to the hem. The linen is very fine, but it is impossible to judge whether it was that fine originally, or has washed thin with age. Hope that helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 03:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V8IZOk025483 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V8HELV015340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V8H2Bl077973; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V8GxIt077638 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2V8GMd21531.; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:16:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:16:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:16:08 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hi, Judy, Is there some confusion here - Drea's site is for 16th century, surely. Though I don't suppose the smocks were very different in cut. My 17th century shifts look voluminous on me, but then, I'm only small! I've never taken much trouble over measurement, other than length, of course - they fit where they touch. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17c reenactor >>> judymitch@oldwaylane.net 31/03/2005 04:32:59 >>> Hi folks, I have a question for Drea, or anyone else familiar with 17th century underwear. I'm slowly in process of making a 17th century Dutch dress (along with about 5 other various outfits) and I ws looking at the measurements for the smock/chemise. I used Drea's custom fit smock generator but I'm not sure.... are 17th century smocks supposed to be huge and baggy? It's pretty much the exact same pattern as your basic viking smock (2 side gores, 2 underarm gusstes). But my viking smocks are much more, well, not exactly fitted, but not really baggy. I compared my normal smocks with the meaurements that came on the smock generator and there's about 9" difference in the width of the body panel and another 5" width on each of the side gore halves. If I make it as big as the chart says, it's going to be voluminous. Are they supposed to be that big at this time?? Maybe it is, I don't know! But I don't want to cut the fabric until I know which set of numbers to use. Thanks. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 03:26:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2V8Qcbp027880 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:26:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V8PiLV015871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:25:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2V8PfR0083442; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2V8Pbs7083339 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:25:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 08:25:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331092439.014c2d98@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:25:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:16 31/03/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, Judy, >Is there some confusion here - Drea's site is for 16th century, surely. >Though I don't suppose the smocks were very different in cut. >My 17th century shifts look voluminous on me, but then, I'm only small! >I've never taken much trouble over measurement, other than length, of >course - they fit where they touch. I forgot to mention in my post - the smock I measured at the Museum of London is dated 1605-10. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 06:53:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VBrikW005812 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:53:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VBqbLV029199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VBqOt5008332; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VBqEGl008201 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050331115208.CDKG21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:52:08 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.152.202.221]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050331115207.VKOS8463.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:52:07 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.8.6]); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:52:08 +1200 Message-ID: <004701c535e8$10ebc9a0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <424B6F6B.10405@oldwaylane.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:52:06 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hvaing looked at images recently and coming up with a workable pattern for me, you'll probably be best off doing the same, to come up with a with you think is rght for you. There are several extant late mid 16th to late 17th century smocks around. http://images.vam.ac.uk type in chemise and you'll see a two, including on of Lady Clapham's night gown and a photo of her wearing her shift (she's a doll of 1690-1700) The other is a 1630 smock handily displayed nearly flat. Smock will bring up the 1630s smock and an Italian squarenecked one. Heavily embroidered. http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/index.html After looking at this and photos of where seams lie, I basically cut my linen in half lengthwise (115cm wide or there abouts) cut one strip to go hem to neck to hem, cut the gores from the other half of the fabric width, plus under arm gussets, then cut the sleeves to the length/width required depending on era. So my German ones are wider, and my Spanish one is narrower and tapers. The boy's shirt didn't have side gores. I managed to cut two nicely full but not puffy hemden from 3.5m of fabric. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/hemd2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/glittersweet/costume/hemd1.jpg http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/16thunderwear.htm The smock is my Spanish one and heavily influenced by the smock in the V&A with pink crossed stitched down the seams. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/valois.htm more info there.http://www.costumes.org/travel/00pages/paris2001playoflight1.htm The 17thC SPanish shirt that also influenced my pattern. No doubt you'll have seen the Bath and V&A smocks on Drea's site as well. They will give a guage of fullness as well. http://www.kipar.demon.co.uk/renaissance.html Another one to give an idea of fullness in the 16thC. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 08:42:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VDgSwi006197 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VDe3LV012537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VDdqEx074589; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VDdmsr074533 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dgandh@t-online.de) Received: from fwd16.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DGztj-0007iz-05; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:39:47 +0200 Received: from gandolf (T-bXyuZaYeV-CtgWcCP+gESqIlBoKmbR5WwwGESa-mT9W9G3OjpSUE@[62.158.37.252]) by fwd16.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DGzta-1rY7BQ0; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:39:38 +0200 From: "dgandh" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:39:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcU1t9sI9VVcAmM6TCmoPiGTM2kaQQAPXr4A In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331065809.014c2b00@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1DGzta-1rY7BQ0@fwd16.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: T-bXyuZaYeV-CtgWcCP+gESqIlBoKmbR5WwwGESa-mT9W9G3OjpSUE X-TOI-MSGID: 74f62fb8-291c-4637-a684-f559da5707b8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mariner's Cuffs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am trying to figure out how mariner's cuffs work circa 1690-1720. To me it looks like its just a pocket flap that 3-buttons the sleeve closed. Does this go over the seam of the arm though? Like the pocket is on one side and the buttons are on the other? This one is a little later but will give you the idea http://www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuExplore/PaintingDetail.cfm?letter=c&ID=BHC 3017 and http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/CollectionsDetail.cfm?ID=UNI0006&picture=0 The coat I am trying to make is more of a short jacket than a fancy justaucorps in the pictures above... Any suggestions? Thanks Greg www.gentlemenoffortune.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:04:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VE4Z50006340 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VE3cLV016165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VE3WTu090487; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VE3UA9090458 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.165.243] (dialup-4.249.165.243.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.165.243]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VDt50J029724 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: <424C0398.9000309@oldwaylane.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:05:12 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > Hi, Judy, > Is there some confusion here - Drea's site is for 16th century, surely. whoops! you're right. The Dutch dress I'm doing is the about the same time as Elizabethan England (Gerard Ter Borch painting). And the lovely thing is that apparently the Dutch didn't bother with farthingales because they felt it was too Spanish and didn't want to have anything to do with it! Otherwise the look is pretty similar. > Though I don't suppose the smocks were very different in cut. > My 17th century shifts look voluminous on me, but then, I'm only small! > I've never taken much trouble over measurement, other than length, of > course - they fit where they touch. I'm just used to smocks that are sorta semi-fitted. This has me adding nearly a foot and a half (or more?) width in the body panel (adding onto both front and back) and adding in another 20" at the hem. sounds like a tent compared to what I'm used to. But maybe it's supposed to? If Suzi measured one that is 46" across (across the front, or circumference??), then maybe it is supposed to be a tent. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:20:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VEKNLI006402 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VEJLLV018525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEJHTV001825; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEJF3x001734 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 2B44214338D; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:19:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust236.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.236]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 38D90143361 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <097001c535fc$bf5274d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> <424B5E63.4090906@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:20:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Urf. Was anyone else entirely unable to get this game to start? I tried it on two separate computers, and no matter how creatively I clicked on the portraits and everything else in sight, absolutely nothing would happen. Is there a trick to it? (Maybe all my spam and popup blocker stuff is coming back to bite me...) -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:24:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VEOUDF006429 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:24:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VENTLV019632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:23:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VENTXL004947; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:23:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2VENOJ0004809 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 14:23:18 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331151130.014c33a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:17:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks In-Reply-To: <424C0398.9000309@oldwaylane.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 09:05 31/03/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Kate M Bunting wrote: >>Hi, Judy, >>Is there some confusion here - Drea's site is for 16th century, surely. > > whoops! you're right. The Dutch dress I'm doing is the about the > same time as Elizabethan England (Gerard Ter Borch painting). And the > lovely thing is that apparently the Dutch didn't bother with farthingales > because they felt it was too Spanish and didn't want to have anything to > do with it! Otherwise the look is pretty similar. > > > >>Though I don't suppose the smocks were very different in cut. >>My 17th century shifts look voluminous on me, but then, I'm only small! >>I've never taken much trouble over measurement, other than length, of >>course - they fit where they touch. > > I'm just used to smocks that are sorta semi-fitted. This has me > adding nearly a foot and a half (or more?) width in the body panel > (adding onto both front and back) and adding in another 20" at the hem. > sounds like a tent compared to what I'm used to. But maybe it's supposed > to? If Suzi measured one that is 46" across (across the front, or > circumference??), then maybe it is supposed to be a tent. Sorry again - that is all round at the bust line. Slopes out to the hem (88" total) which has gussets - very like the 18th century American ones. The shoulder, from centre front fold (i.e. one quarter) is 9", so the whole thing slopes from narrow (ish) shoulders to wide hem. So on a woman of 36" bust there would only be 10" extra at bust level, or thereabouts. I have not yet made this up, but someone else has and says it is fine. Suzi Suzi > -Judy Mitchell >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:30:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VEUIic006505 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:30:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VETKLV021344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VETHZa009362; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VETFqU009264 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D9B3843F for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:28:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <424C0937.7030507@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:29:11 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! References: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> <424B5E63.4090906@paradise.net.nz> <097001c535fc$bf5274d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <097001c535fc$bf5274d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO E House wrote: > Urf. Was anyone else entirely unable to get this game to start? I tried > it on two separate computers, and no matter how creatively I clicked on > the portraits and everything else in sight, absolutely nothing would > happen. Is there a trick to it? > > (Maybe all my spam and popup blocker stuff is coming back to bite me...) > It requires the *latest* version of Flash. Personally, I hit the "back" button rather than download a new plug-in for something that trivial. More often than not it 'breaks' my computer and it's more trouble than it's worth. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:31:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VEVXEP006537 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:31:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VEUeLV021685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEUeAw010415; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com (mailout07.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEUbHX010261 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dgandh@t-online.de) Received: from fwd20.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DH0gk-0001se-02; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:30:26 +0200 Received: from gandolf (VyPgGkZV8e313h+zC-iuOQWTuEz5DcZFTxVWAXNbGEETh1v92K2DsS@[62.158.37.252]) by fwd20.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DH0gV-291XsW0; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:30:11 +0200 From: "dgandh" To: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:30:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcU1t9sI9VVcAmM6TCmoPiGTM2kaQQAPXr4A In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331065809.014c2b00@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1DH0gV-291XsW0@fwd20.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: VyPgGkZV8e313h+zC-iuOQWTuEz5DcZFTxVWAXNbGEETh1v92K2DsS X-TOI-MSGID: cc729139-2146-43f7-b86b-6bab1ea4250a X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mariner's Cuffs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I am trying to figure out how mariner's cuffs work circa 1690-1720. To me it looks like its just a pocket flap that 3-buttons the sleeve closed. Does this go over the seam of the arm though? Like the pocket is on one side and the buttons are on the other? This one is a little later but will give you the idea http://www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuExplore/PaintingDetail.cfm?letter=c&ID=BHC 3017 and http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/CollectionsDetail.cfm?ID=UNI0006&picture=0 The coat I am trying to make is more of a short jacket than a fancy justaucorps in the pictures above... Any suggestions? Thanks Greg www.gentlemenoffortune.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 09:49:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VEnYlx006757 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:49:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VEkvLV023575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEkmlC022999; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail13.mdx.safepages.com (mail13.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.154.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VEkkPv022907 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 1BA63138728; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from compaqub (1Cust236.tnt2.ofallon.mo.da.uu.net [65.239.178.236]) by mail13.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 10D4913870D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <099601c53600$813aa010$0400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <12a.5a31cda1.2f7c92d1@aol.com> <424B5E63.4090906@paradise.net.nz><097001c535fc$bf5274d0$0400a8c0@compaqub> <424C0937.7030507@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mind Your Manners! Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:47:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > It requires the *latest* version of Flash. Personally, I hit the "back" > button rather than download a new plug-in for something that trivial. More > often than not it 'breaks' my computer and it's more trouble than it's > worth. Ahh. I got a new version of flash about a month ago, so of COURSE it's now out of date! =} Definitely not worth it, but I got so annoyed at not being able to make it work that I'm going to do it anyway. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 10:08:12 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VF8BuW006814 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:08:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VF6XLV025099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:06:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VF6L1i038437; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:06:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk ([193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VF6D4U037862 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from CSV6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id j2VF5fd22636.; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:05:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by CSV6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:05:41 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:05:18 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan smocks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO >>> judymitch@oldwaylane.net 31/03/2005 15:05:12 >>> wrote: > The Dutch dress I'm doing is the about the same >time as Elizabethan England (Gerard Ter Borch painting). No - Elizabeth I died in 1603 and Gerard Ter Borch was born in 1617! See http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/terborch/terborch_bio.htm Farthingales were not worn in either the Low Countries or England in his time. Kate Bunting ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 11:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VGGTeK007202 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VGEvLV001716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:14:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VGEl25096802; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:14:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1/tYdqUEHJCOPYb2oNaJISg4/H8HpL2jfI@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VGEd9V096662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VHMItr009202 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:22:18 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j2VHMIvA009200 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:22:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:22:18 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20050331172218.GA3854@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] butterick 4484, corset patter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Has anyone made Butterick's B4484? It has a corset, pannier, and some other 18th century type underwear. What are people's opinion's on the corset and panniers? I just joined the list, so if this was already discussed, I apologize. I am still learning how to search the archive. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 11:18:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VGIl9e007217 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VGHSLV002033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VGHPmn099204; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:17:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from p03m105.mxlogic.net (p03m105.mxlogic.net [216.183.119.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2VGFRxu097409 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com) Received: from unknown [66.179.109.174] (HELO p01i174.mxlogic.net) by p03m105.mxlogic.net (mxl_mta-2.9.0-19) with SMTP id 3222c424.1539607472.49482.p03m105.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11972 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com) (199.184.176.8) by p01i174.mxlogic.net with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from denpexmb01.dex.dexmedia.com ([144.163.32.41]) by denpexbh01.dex.dexmedia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:14:32 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4573B3011A18EF4A86F07223C3E8E15DBC12F4@denpexmb01-dex-bup> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Introducing Me! Thread-Index: AcU1yqJE3gDFW1B5SyWNXv+ObnvKtAAQcWdA From: "McClure, Kate" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 16:14:32.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9805530:01C5360C] X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; S=0.010(2005020401)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [66.179.109.174] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id j2VGFRxu097409 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Introducing Me! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Just wanted to introduce myself to the group. My name is Jodi Nelson and I have been costuming for 4 years now. I live in St.George, UT.Just up the road from me is the Utah Shakespere Festval and in our town is the Tuahcan Center for the Performing Arts, as well as a few other theatre groups. I am looking to start making costumes full-time and selling them on the 'Net. I have been receiving the posts here for a little while and am enjoying them very much. ------------------------------------- Welcome to the asylum! ;) As you are in Utah, will you be attending the fast approaching Costume Con? I'm not able to attend this year, darn it, but am looking forward to stories and pictures. Kate McClure Who will be an 'accident victim' this weekend, to give first-aid folks a chance to practice what to do when faced with a corseted person in need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 11:59:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VGx3k4007443 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:59:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VGuYLV006260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:56:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VGuSlw035469; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2VGuHFX035316 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10571 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 16:56:19 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO www.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:56:19 -0800 Received: from 24.4.69.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by www.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:56:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1243.24.4.69.40.1112288176.squirrel@www.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20050331172218.GA3854@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <20050331172218.GA3854@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:56:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] butterick 4484, corset patter From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Has anyone made Butterick's B4484? It has a corset, pannier, and > some other 18th century type underwear. What are people's opinion's on > the corset and panniers? > > I just joined the list, so if this was already discussed, I apologize. I > am still learning how to search the archive. > > Kate Kate, That pattern is pretty new so you may very well be the pioneer! There was a pretty lengthy discussion about how the pattern *looked* and if you search the archive, you will probably find the information. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 12:18:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VHIhd4007568 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:18:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VHH6LV009044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VHGop2054431; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX188f7Pz5ffQy0Ug1z43uSulBljjjGFtfw4@adsl-65-68-105-252.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net [65.68.105.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VHGdO8054262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:16:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com) Received: from tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VIOIoX009754 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:24:18 -0600 Received: (from saka@localhost) by tora.toysmakeuspowerful.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j2VIOIrL009752 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:24:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:24:18 -0600 From: saka@toysmakeuspowerful.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20050331182418.GB9637@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool demin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Denim is a twill weave, which was done in peroid. I don't remember the specifics of how denim is constructed, but since other twills were produced, it's probably passable depending on how accurate you want to be about such things. Kate > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:40:51 -0700 > From: Wicked Frau > Subject: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? > To: "h-costume@indra.com" > Message-ID: <424C1A03.8080509@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Fashion fabrics club has some interesting wool denim blends. I know > they are not considered "period" (1400-1650). But what exactly is denim > weave? Just curious if it was something that was achievable during the > time and they didn't have it, or??? > > Thanks for you all who are more versed in textile stuff than I. > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 12:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VHq4TT007736 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VHopLV014240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:50:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VHoEq0086066; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cuda2.mc.surewest.net (cuda.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VHoARa086003 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1112291406-23608-719-1 X-Barracuda-URL: http://172.18.0.9:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from DD84JW21 (024.124-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net [64.30.124.24]) by cuda2.mc.surewest.net (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 70D7C1CD09 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:50:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050331094548.00d8e980@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:50:04 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] wool demin Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool demin In-Reply-To: <20050331182418.GB9637@toysmakeuspowerful.com> References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at mc.surewest.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 2.64, rules version 2.1.2359 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------------- X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Denim is a simple 2-2 twill weave. This twill weave has been used for thousands of years in wool. What is the "wool denim" blend? Is it a mixture of cotton and wool? If it is, then the blend is modern, but the weave is ancient. Joan Jurancich spinner, weaver, textile history fanatic At 12:24 PM 3/31/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Denim is a twill weave, which was done in peroid. I don't remember the >specifics of how denim is constructed, but since other twills were produced, >it's probably passable depending on how accurate you want to be about >such things. > >Kate > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:40:51 -0700 > > From: Wicked Frau > > Subject: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? > > To: "h-costume@indra.com" > > Message-ID: <424C1A03.8080509@earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Fashion fabrics club has some interesting wool denim blends. I know > > they are not considered "period" (1400-1650). But what exactly is denim > > weave? Just curious if it was something that was achievable during the > > time and they didn't have it, or??? > > > > Thanks for you all who are more versed in textile stuff than I. > > > > Sg > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 13:16:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VIGACe007893 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:16:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VIEHLV018563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VIE6wT009836; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:14:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VIDcgj009261 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.160]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20050331181332.FDOY2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:13:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:13:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050331181332.FDOY2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Hello, I am looking to get an Adjustable DressForm; but I am unsure about which one is best and easiest to work with - can anyone provide some advice, opinions and/or help? 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Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 13:22:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VIMWQt007953 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:22:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VIKgLV019678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VIKU2w016447; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VIKMLF016300 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:20:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) Comment: DomainKeys Info At http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pwRIKj2T1HS/yfTgM0C/cPQcKlLmIbCwOhq8Wo62mny+xrcipu14n/r4W01ncxY+; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.128.27] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DH4HF-0001PV-Ek for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:20:21 -0500 Message-ID: <019101c5361e$a2c9a550$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050331181332.FDOY2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Help Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:22:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd480f27700a93b8e604a6f56b6e49f17ebba8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.128.27 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Help > Hello, > I am looking to get an Adjustable DressForm; but I am unsure about > which one is best and easiest to work with - can anyone provide some > advice, opinions and/or help? > > Thanks! > Wendi Mine is a second hand "My Double" dress form. It's made of compressable high density foam, with a removable cloth cover that can be customized to fit you exactly. It also has extra covers so that you can use it for more than one person, as long as they're remotely the same size (I'm a size 16/18, I can adjust it down to about a 12, but not as far as my size 3 daughter). I have no idea if they're still being sold, I got mine second hand about 20 years ago. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 15:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VKAGUl008493 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VK7eLV001875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VK7W20015078; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:07:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VK7TaJ015025 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:07:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DH5wv-0004Gb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:07:29 -0800 Message-ID: <424C5881.4030801@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:07:29 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Help References: <20050331181332.FDOY2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <019101c5361e$a2c9a550$0300a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <019101c5361e$a2c9a550$0300a8c0@boris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I reccomend the duct-tape doubles. They are cheap and easy to make. Do a search on google for body double duct tape etc. and you'll find free directions . I think Taunton press has instructions on their Threads site. Don't pay for the instructions! Sg Carmen Beaudry wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Help > > >> Hello, >> I am looking to get an Adjustable DressForm; but I am unsure about >> which one is best and easiest to work with - can anyone provide some >> advice, opinions and/or help? >> >> Thanks! >> Wendi > > > Mine is a second hand "My Double" dress form. It's made of > compressable high density foam, with a removable cloth cover that can > be customized to fit you exactly. It also has extra covers so that > you can use it for more than one person, as long as they're remotely > the same size (I'm a size 16/18, I can adjust it down to about a 12, > but not as far as my size 3 daughter). I have no idea if they're > still being sold, I got mine second hand about 20 years ago. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 16:37:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VLb9Wn009300 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:37:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VLZmLV012327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VLZIEe097808; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VLYjZX097018 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1c4.254f1f3f (4214) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:34:25 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.254f1f3f.2f7dc6e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:34:24 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5037 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:23:03 AM Mountain Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: I have no idea if they're still being sold, I got mine second hand about 20 years ago. They ("Uniquily You Forms") can still be found at Atlana Thread and Supply. I swear by them for my larger actors, who tend to have more widely varying shapes. Call 1-800-847-1001. They cost $135.99 . They come in five adjustible sizes, or you can request a catalogue with more information, as they are also a good source for other sewing supplies, especially industrial supplies and tailoring supplies. They tend to be cheaper than their competitors. Additional covers are $29.99. I have always had positive experiences with this company. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 17:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VM9jjh009454 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VM8XLV016150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VM8TRo025526; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VM8NIv025335 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-62-186.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.62.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VM87VO016566 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:08:16 +1000 Message-ID: <000801c5363d$c5d06100$ba3ed9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050327005422.50093.qmail@web81403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Computer Help--slightly OT Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO my graphics program, MGI photosuite makes a 'photo album' for me all I have to do is select the files I want to put in and it automatically creates a thumbnail version of the picture and when you double click on it you can see the full sized image, I use it to keep virtually all of my pictures in order, I have an album for each era I'm interested in and have a lot of pictures for, (so, one Tudor, one Elizabethan, one Regency and one Victorian) there are also pre-set fields to enter the information e.g. title, date, artist, location (which I use to note the website I found it on) notes (I don't use this often but occasionally I'll put in thngs like allegorical, or an explanation of the symbolism). It may not be everything you want but a program like this that is designed to make photo albums should be a step in the right direction. Elizabeth > > Hello all! > > > > I would like to solicit some computer help. I would like to create a > > > > spreadsheet, like an excel file, which arranges pictures in > > chronological order. The problem I am having with both excel (and > > just > > plain word tables) is that neither will allow me to insert a picture > > into a cell, which means that whenever I insert a new line, I then > > have > > to go back and move ALL the pictures. Anyone have a good idea of > > what > > to do? or have I just made a mish-mosh out off my description? > > > > Thanks for your time, Jordana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 17:09:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VM9jK1009453 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VM8XLV016149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VM8UKb025542; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VM8NDL025303 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-62-186.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.62.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VM87VK016566; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:08:10 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c5363d$c3189400$ba3ed9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "historic costume" , "Garb list" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:04:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: [Authentic_SCA] a litlle OT: Lessons from Sewing (humor) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO this made me giggle so I thought I'd share it around > > Forgive me if this is too very off topic, but I thought I'd pass this on to my sewing/costuming groups to share a giggle or two. > > This is what comes from wishing to do bodily harm to a computer program that refuses to let you update your site how you wish. Your head rattles, the marbles collide, sparks fire, and words form. ;-) > > > Lessons I learned from sewing: > ~ > In an argument between the needle and your finger, the needle > always wins. > ~ > When tempted to toss the sewing machine through the > window, don't. It always gets the last laugh when you take it > into the shop and pay to replace the glass. > ~ > When you have a deadline, everything that can go wrong, will > go wrong. Six times. > ~ > The seamripper is our friend. Especially when we want to jam > it into something. > ~ > Sewing implements make great torture tools. Just ask the > pitiful fabric scraps huddling in terror in my stash. > ~ > Our skin is NOT needle/pin/scissor/seamripper proof. > Contrary to popular belief. > ~ > Everything in its place and a place for everything. > Does it count when everything is everywhere? > ~ > It's not a good project until it looks like the fabric monster > sneezed in your workroom. > It's not a great project until it looks like the fabric monster > sneezed in your house. > ~ > When in doubt, you might as well start over, because you've > likely messed up ten times already. > ~ > Coffee is our friend. However, coffee and fabric are NOT. > ~ > If you can eat it and make a mess, you're bound to crave it > while working on something. > ~ > Sewing + sleepy = Frankenstein's Monster > ~ > I am a grouch in the morning. I am a grouch when working. > Enter the workroom in the morning at your own peril. > Enter the workroom...ever... at your own peril. > ~ > If you drop a needle, you will find it. With your foot. > ~ > Say it with me. The iron is hot... > ~ > When using a water soluble pen on fabric, it's a halfway smart > idea not to use the steam setting on the iron afterward... > ~ > Creativity is a two edged sword. You know, the kind you can > wedge between two rocks and fall on? > ~ > Your dummy is NOT an oversized voodoo doll. > Although... > ~ > Repetition is a good thing. > ~ > Repetition is... Who am I kidding? > Repetition is for the birds. > ~ > There's always room for error. > The trick is leaving room to get it right. > ~ > When you can't do nuthin right, don't do nuthin at all. > Take a break! > ~ > It's always best to take time to smell the roses. > Doing so while in a straight jacket is ever so much better. > ~ > Relax, have fun. You wouldn't be doing this unless you > wanted to. Right? Right!?! > ~ > Never stop learning and always be able to laugh at your > mistakes. > Everyone else is... > > > > http://www.rivendelldesigns.net > Normal is what you think everyone else is! > Genius does what is must, and talent does what it can. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SOnJAA/Zx0JAA/PJ_qlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > ---------------------------------------------------- > This is the Authentic SCA eGroup > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 17:21:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VML6OH009499 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VMJTLV017422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VMJN3b034849; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VMJGCg034679 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.140.4161bce1 (16086) for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-r12 (mblk-r12.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.2]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-3ed6424c775c1e4; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:19:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:19:08 -0500 Message-Id: <8C70456CB02B4AB-B40-5C46@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> Received: from 216.23.116.42 by mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:19:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bleach experiment, Elizabethan smock X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Maybe your bleach didn't work anymore because it had evaporated? I've heard you're supposed to leave tapwater sit for a while before you give it to plants to let the chlorine evaporate out. Bleach and chlorine are basically the same thing, aren't they? Judy -- I believe there is a note somewhere on Drea's site that the smock generator can produce some weird results for those of us with more ::ahem:: womanly proportions. I made one myself last year for Halloween, and as I recall I had to alter the pattern a bit to make it approach the proper proportions. --Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 17:47:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VMlsO3009601 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VMkZLV020421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:46:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VMkPon056827; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav6.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VMkKv7056707 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from audreybmorin2@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.203 by BAY106-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:46:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.203] X-Originating-Email: [audreybmorin2@hotmail.com] X-Sender: audreybmorin2@hotmail.com From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> <8C70456CB02B4AB-B40-5C46@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach experiment, Elizabethan smock Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2005 22:46:15.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[71F24A20:01C53643] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO > Maybe your bleach didn't work anymore because it had evaporated? My thought exactly. The first time I tried a bleach test, I forgot to put the lid back on the jar, and the fabric wouldn't dissolve. I decided to try again with fresh bleach, and behold! It worked! It must evaporate pretty quickly too because it had almost no effect in the first test. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:11:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNBuGP009688 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNApLV023126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:10:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VN9tQ8004642; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:09:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VFeFj8066394 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DH1mI-000589-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: <424C1A03.8080509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:40:51 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Fashion fabrics club has some interesting wool denim blends. I know they are not considered "period" (1400-1650). But what exactly is denim weave? Just curious if it was something that was achievable during the time and they didn't have it, or??? Thanks for you all who are more versed in textile stuff than I. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:25:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNP82I009745 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNOBLV024378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNMSVq013011; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNKu6L012041 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17922 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:35:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:35:08 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach experiment, Elizabethan smock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-neonova-Metrics: net.indra.com 1127; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Maybe your bleach didn't work anymore because it had evaporated? > > My thought exactly. The first time I tried a bleach test, I forgot to put > the lid back on the jar, and the fabric wouldn't dissolve. I decided to try > again with fresh bleach, and behold! It worked! It must evaporate pretty > quickly too because it had almost no effect in the first test. Or maybe old bleach? I don't usually cover my test cups. I usually leave the swatch in for 4-12 hours. Some wools (particularly if they're loosely spun and woven) dissolve in just a few hours, but if it hasn't dissolved by the next morning I figure it's not an animal product. When I do a test at the fabric store where I work occasionally, I do cover the jar to avoid risk of spillage. (I use a baby-food jar.) I have once in a while forgotten to come back to check the jar, and find it the next time I pull a shift, which might be weeks later. Sometimes the swatches still look brand new; sometimes they curl up and go rock-hard. Might be some finishing treatment involved in the latter. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:27:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNR88K009750 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:27:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNQ9LV024647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNQ88h015955; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (root@smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au [203.166.224.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNLfOl012484 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@iimetro.com.au) Received: from ewalpole (203-217-62-186.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.217.62.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-01.sys.bigblue.net.au (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2VNLPcZ022229 for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:21:26 +1000 Message-ID: <007601c53647$fede8120$ba3ed9cb@ewalpole> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20050331172218.GA3854@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] butterick 4484, corset patter Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:18:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] butterick 4484, corset patter > Has anyone made Butterick's B4484? It has a corset, pannier, and > some other 18th century type underwear. What are people's opinion's on > the corset and panniers? > > I just joined the list, so if this was already discussed, I apologize. I > am still learning how to search the archive. > > Kate I'm half way through making the corset (as contained in B4254 as the new version with the panniers has only just been released and won't reach Australia for another season or two) I think their suggestions for boning are insuficcient so when I was transfering the markings for the boning channels I just put in one line to get the right angle and I sewed a lot of paralel lines the width of the presser-foot to fill in any gaps between their boning channels. I'm using cable ties which are roughly the same strength as the rigilene boning you buy at the fabric shop but much cheaper. I've also put in a stiff busk (not the 19th century front opening type but a heavy peice of spring steel, the bottom picture here http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spring_steel_bones.php) from my last corset to give it a firm base. If you don't have a firm busk or you opt for the front lacing version I would suggest buying spring steel for at least some of the bones (especially the ones down the centre front), you could buy a continuous length of spring steel and cut it to length but I personally value my comfort (I once cut up spring steel for a hoopskirt and my hands were very sore after half an hour wrestling with the tin snips) over paying extra for pre-cut lengths. also note that the measurements printed on the back of the envelope are completely wrong, according to the printed measurements I should need a size 20-22 I bought the size 16 and it laces completely closed. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole@iimetro.com.au Mr. Speaker, I said the honourable member was a liar it is true and I am sorry for it. The honourable member may place the punctuation where he pleases. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) British dramatist. On being asked to apologise for calling a fellow MP a liar. Attrib. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:27:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNRJRs009753 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:27:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNQKLV024689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNQJa7016091; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VGJeo5001419 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) Received: from user-38lc2b4.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.100]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DH2OR-0001PD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:19:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:26:11 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Use of "Reenactor"--slightly OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO That's the trouble, of course -- so many people use it to mean completely different things. If, for instance, your concept of a "re-enactor" is "a snobbish and overly picky person who obsesses about the spin direction and fiber length of the linen thread used to stitch seams no one will ever see", then obviously you're probably going to consider it unflattering . Or if your concept of a re-enactor is "someone who attempts to re-stage specific historical events exactly as they occurred," then it's a fairly neutral term, but may not correctly describe your interest in, say, the songs of the Troubadors or the cut of 13th-century tunics. I personally tend to use it to mean "someone who researches and tries to create or demonstrate historically accurate things, skills, and understandings, often integrated into a period persona." So, since that's what I'm trying to do, if someone calls me a re-enactor, I consider it a compliment. I also use it to describe myself at times, to indicate that what I'm interested in doing is history, rather than, for instance, knights-and-wenches fantasy, Highland Games, silly takeoffs on history, or martial arts, all of which may be perfectly legitimate and enjoyable things for other people to do but are not the same as what _I'm_ doing. (Of course, to some extent, the more you know about history, the funnier the take-offs are !) -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:27:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNRKwZ009754 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNQQLV024717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNQQt7016179; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2VGQIxn007559 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from unknown (HELO solena.suziclarke.co.uk) (h-costume@indra.com@217.44.108.139 with poptime) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 16:26:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050331172119.014c3a68@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mail.suziclarke.co.uk:suziclarkeuk-mail@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:26:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] butterick 4484, corset pattern In-Reply-To: <20050331172218.GA3854@toysmakeuspowerful.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO At 11:22 31/03/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Has anyone made Butterick's B4484? It has a corset, pannier, and >some other 18th century type underwear. What are people's opinion's on >the corset and panniers? > >I just joined the list, so if this was already discussed, I apologize. I >am still learning how to search the archive. How authentic do you want to be? There are many other sources, from books with grid patterns, to paper patterns out there. In my opinion, virtually all these will be better than patterns from the Big 3. Try "Fitting and Proper" "Costume Close-up" and "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800". These all have grid patterns taken from original garments. There is also a Patten Review, which covers many of the patterns I am referring to. I don't have the site address, but I am sure someone else can post it for you. Suzi (who uses "Period Costume" but has just got the first two books mentioned, and is going to start in on those any day now!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 18:39:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2VNdnsv009783 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VNcmLV026284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNcjb9026371; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNcfc8026249 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.3.170] (p10.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.170]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2VNZu007084 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:35:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <019101c5361e$a2c9a550$0300a8c0@boris> References: <20050331181332.FDOY2468.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <019101c5361e$a2c9a550$0300a8c0@boris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Form Help Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:46:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Yes, they're sold at Jo-ann's. On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] Dress Form Help > > >> Hello, >> I am looking to get an Adjustable DressForm; but I am unsure about >> which one is best and easiest to work with - can anyone provide some >> advice, opinions and/or help? >> >> Thanks! >> Wendi > > Mine is a second hand "My Double" dress form. It's made of > compressable high density foam, with a removable cloth cover that can > be customized to fit you exactly. It also has extra covers so that > you can use it for more than one person, as long as they're remotely > the same size (I'm a size 16/18, I can adjust it down to about a 12, > but not as far as my size 3 daughter). I have no idea if they're > still being sold, I got mine second hand about 20 years ago. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 19:03:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3103QTj009906 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:03:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3102HLV028647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:02:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j3102C3j045940; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id j2VJwwGT006856 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:58:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 89668 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2005 19:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20050331195852.89666.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:58:52 BST Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:58:52 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-xmailer-Metrics: net.indra.com 1192; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan smocks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Re. the Italian smock T.770-1919 in the V&A (which I don't think is photographed anywhere, but would be happy to be corrected!). I've seen this in person and have made a reproduction, with body embroidery in progress. I described the project on my website at http://www.lucente-stella.moonfruit.com but this is a FLASH site. If you don't like/want Flash, I would suggest you visit the site of Bella Lucia (long link ahead) http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/extcam3.htm - it is the third extant camicia in her list. We have corresponded and her diagram for reconstructing it has now been amended following the measurements and notes I made on my first visit. I will be taking more photographs on a second visit in June and hope to have a non-flash page up shortly after. I'll let you all know when that happens. If you have any questions about the construction or sizes, please feel free to ask. HTH, Katherine/Susan Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 19:04:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j3104RAg009911 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:04:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3103TLV028741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:03:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j3103S1B046924; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VK5EFI013039 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-40-235.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.40.235] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by pop-a065b10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DH5uj-0005lm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:05:14 -0800 Message-ID: <424C57FA.30001@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:05:14 -0700 From: Wicked Frau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wool demin References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> <4.2.2.20050331094548.00d8e980@pop.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20050331094548.00d8e980@pop.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-xmailer-Metrics: net.indra.com 1192; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks all for responding...I never saw my original show up....grrrr. The blends are with cottton, viscose and one with lycra! Ykes! I also have some pure linen ones from Linen house-they are beutiful, but EXPENSIVE! I've been waiting to buy some when I loose the weight I want as a present to myself, but that hasn't happened yet! Sg Joan Jurancich wrote: > Denim is a simple 2-2 twill weave. This twill weave has been used for > thousands of years in wool. What is the "wool denim" blend? Is it a > mixture of cotton and wool? If it is, then the blend is modern, but > the weave is ancient. > Joan Jurancich > spinner, weaver, textile history fanatic > > At 12:24 PM 3/31/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >> Denim is a twill weave, which was done in peroid. I don't remember the >> specifics of how denim is constructed, but since other twills were >> produced, >> it's probably passable depending on how accurate you want to be about >> such things. >> >> Kate >> >> > Message: 11 >> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:40:51 -0700 >> > From: Wicked Frau >> > Subject: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? >> > To: "h-costume@indra.com" >> > Message-ID: <424C1A03.8080509@earthlink.net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> > Fashion fabrics club has some interesting wool denim blends. I know >> > they are not considered "period" (1400-1650). But what exactly is >> denim >> > weave? Just curious if it was something that was achievable during >> the >> > time and they didn't have it, or??? >> > >> > Thanks for you all who are more versed in textile stuff than I. >> > >> > Sg >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 19:17:11 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j310HAup009974 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j310GCLV000120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:16:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j310G3Vi057668; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VMvjVY066075 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@oldwaylane.net) Received: from [4.249.33.21] (dialup-4.249.33.21.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [4.249.33.21]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2VMnG0J012306 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: <424C80CD.5080007@oldwaylane.net> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:59:25 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bleach experiment, Elizabethan smock References: <200503311627.j2VGQURY007858@net.indra.com> <8C70456CB02B4AB-B40-5C46@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C70456CB02B4AB-B40-5C46@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Judy -- I believe there is a note somewhere on Drea's site that the smock generator can produce some weird results for those of us with more ::ahem:: womanly proportions. I made one myself last year for Halloween, and as I recall I had to alter the pattern a bit to make it approach the proper proportions. Well, yeah I definately fit in the 'more... womanly proportioned' arena. Ok, sounds like I should take it in a bit. Actually I think I overestimated the width on the body panel - apparently the change was only about 4".. but doubled for front and back is still a lot, and I know the gores moved from my comfortable 7.5" half gores to 12" half gores, and that's a huge change in the hemline. I just couldn't understand why, if one wears stays on top of the smock, one would want a lot of extra fabric getting bunched in there. Thanks all! I can probably cut my linen tomorrow. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 31 19:19:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [204.144.142.3]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j310JFGo009984 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j310HlLV000267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j310HkP1058984; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@net.indra.com) Received: from cuda2.mc.surewest.net (cuda.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j2VNW87N021002 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1112311923-14350-0-1 X-Barracuda-URL: http://172.18.0.9:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from DD84JW21 (024.124-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net [64.30.124.24]) by cuda2.mc.surewest.net (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id B246F20F20 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20050331153039.00d8fa60@pop.surewest.net> X-Sender: joanmj@pop.surewest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:32:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is the history of denim weave? 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This twill weave has been used for thousands of years in wool. What is the "wool denim" blend? Is it a mixture of cotton and wool? If it is, then the fiber blend is modern, but the weave is ancient. Joan Jurancich spinner, weaver, textile history fanatic At 08:40 AM 3/31/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Fashion fabrics club has some interesting wool denim blends. I know they >are not considered "period" (1400-1650). But what exactly is denim >weave? Just curious if it was something that was achievable during the >time and they didn't have it, or??? > >Thanks for you all who are more versed in textile stuff than I. > >Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume